Brian CONFRONTS Woke Misandrist College Girl?! HEATED DEBATE! Based Girl RETURNS! | Dating Talk #269

Date: 2025-11-17

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSeline (Cosmetology)>

GGrace (Zoology)>

NNatalie/Morena Chinga >

LLauren (Buddhist)>

EErica (Married 264)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Seline(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren (Buddhist)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Selena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Natalie/Morena(guest)

SPEAKER_10Grace (Zoology)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Samra(guest)

SPEAKER_13Erica (Married)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

ControversySelena wants red pill men 'eradicated'

Key MomentBrian presents selective service as systemic male oppression. 40-min debate.

QuoteSelena: 'I think men suck. 60-70% of men suck.'

ControversyGrace prefers world without men. Selena cannot say no to snapping men away.

Key MomentLauren: Buddhist nun, FBI investigated for Jan 6

ControversySelena: 'white people invented racism'

OtherSelena leaves. Brian calls her most argumentative guest ever.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Selena (Georgetown/TikTok), Lauren (Buddhist nun/Jan 6).

Red Pill Eradication

Selena wants red pill men 'eradicated.' Brian challenges.

Selective Service Debate

40-minute debate on draft as male systemic oppression.

65% of Men Suck

Selena: 65% of men suck. Brian: that's sexist.

Stolen Land / Immigration

Selena: 'no one is illegal on stolen land.' Native American debate.

Snap All Men Away

Grace and Selena cannot say no to removing all men. Brian shocked.

Colombia / Palestine Allegiance

Natalie sides with Mexico/Palestine. Selena refuses to answer.

Lauren Jan 6

FBI investigated but did not arrest Lauren for Jan 6 attendance.

Body Count

Lauren: 5M/2W. Natalie: 100+. Essie: 12-13.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing video. Selena uses it as grounds to leave.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasWelcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. We're uh going to just jump right into guest introductions

Brian Atlasand I'll come back to uh some of the quick announcements. So, uh guest, go ahead and introduce yourself. Go ahead.

SelenaHi, I'm Selena. I'm 21 years old and in my free time, I'm an influencer. You can find me at Selena the Yapper and I am

Selenaalso from DC and I go to school at Georgetown University. I'm in my senior year. >> What are you uh studying there? >> I'm studying foreign policy. >> Foreign policy. Okay. And you said your senior year? >> Yes. >> Uh what do you want to do after you

Selenagraduate? >> What do I want to do? I mean, I need to take a year, study for the ELSAT, and hopefully go to law school. >> Okay. >> And in the meantime, I do Tik Tok. >> Gotcha. What kind of law do you want to

Brian Atlaspractice? >> Uh, I would like to be a defense attorney. >> CI criminal defense. Gotcha. Okay. And, uh, yapper. What is, uh, for those that don't know, what's a yapper?

Selena>> So, a yapper is someone that talks a lot. >> Okay. And I would say on Tik Tok I talk a lot. I talk about everything. Pop culture, politics, dating, whatever I

Brian Atlasfeel like talking about. >> All right. Rock and roll. Uh I'm sure we'll get into uh some of that during the show. What about What about you?

Seline>> Hi, my name is Seline. I'm 21 and right now I'm located in LA. I currently am in school for cosmetology. I have not

Selineattended like formal university yet. Um, but I have plans to obviously go into cosmetology, do hair, makeup, nails

Selinealong with other, you know, freelance modeling and I make clothes, etc. Just stuff along that line. >> All right. And, uh, you said you're from LA. >> Yes. >> Gotcha. And any school? You said no

Selineschool, right? >> I have not attended university yet. >> Gotcha. Are you planning to later or >> I think it kind of depends on what path I'm going to take. You know, when it comes to like fashion and cosmetology, I feel like if you have a good eye, you

Selinedon't necessarily need the credentials to back it up as long as >> you can prove what you're talking about, what your vision is. Um, and I think I'm pretty good at that. So, if necessary, then yes, I will go to school. But if

Grace (Zoology)not, if I don't need to, then no, just going to stick to cosmetology. >> Got it. What about you? >> Uh, I'm Grace. I go to UCSB. I'm studying zoology. I'm from Venice Beach,

Grace (Zoology)California. Um, and I also work at the UCSB Rexen as an inter mural soccer referee. So, >> all right. Do you play soccer? >> I do. I played my entire life. >> Gotcha. Age? >> I'm 19. >> And, uh, what do you zoology, right?

Natalie/MorenaWhat do you want to do with that? >> I want to do animal conservation and try to help endangered species not be endangered anymore. >> Gotcha. Sophomore? >> Yeah, I'm a sophomore. >> Okay. What about you? >> Hello, I'm Natalie. My artist's name is

Natalie/MorenaMorinella Chinga. I'm 27. I'm from San Diego. I went to SDSU and yeah, I'm in the music industry. I'm a music artist. I'm also in the cannabis industry. >> All right. What did you uh study at SDSU?

Natalie/Morena>> Hospitality. >> Hospitality. Have Have you worked in hospitality at all or? >> Well, I do events with cannabis, so those together. >> Gotcha. And you're a singer? >> I'm a rapper. >> Rapper. Okay. Well, I in that case,

Brian Atlas>> a Spanish rapper. >> Let's hear something. Can Can we Can we get a beat?

Essie>> [laughter] >> Nice. Okay. In Spanish, a little English, but more in Spanish. >> Sweet. Sweet. What about you? >> I'm Essie. I'm 26. Uh, I am a influencer

Brian Atlasand Only Fans creator. And I'm from good old Indiana. And I did not go to college, just high school. >> Gotcha. How long you been uh and you live in Los Angeles, you said? >> Mhm. >> Uh how long you been in LA for? >> Um almost four years.

Essie>> Gotcha. How long you been doing Only Fans? >> About 5 years. >> 5 years. What do you do on there? >> Um I just do I play like the girlfriend experience and very like the more so innocent. I would I don't do full nudity

Brian Atlasor anything like that. >> Uh no nudity whatsoever. >> Um I use topless. I just started doing topless things. >> Okay. So that's it. That's the extent of it. Not even in the past. >> No, not even in the past.

Lauren (Buddhist)>> Okay. No, no boy, girl stuff. >> No, no, no. >> Okay. All right. What about you? >> My name is Lauren. I am 31. I am a

Lauren (Buddhist)single mom of three from Tyler, Texas, representing the 903. I am a small business owner, a nonprofit founder, a devout Buddhist, and occasionally a political activist. No college, some

Samracollege. I dropped out after one semester. >> All right. Gotcha. And uh from Texas, you said? >> Yes, sir. >> Gotcha. What about you?

Samra>> Hi, my name is Samra. Um I'm 22 years old. Um I am a caregiver. I'm stay at home mom right now. And then I had some college. I'm planning to go back hopefully.

Erica (Married)>> Okay. Uh where are you from? >> Ventura, California. >> Gotcha. And when you were in college, what were you studying? >> Mortuary science. >> Okay, got it. What about you? >> Uh my name is Erica. I am from Oregon and I am also a caregiver and I'm

Brian Atlascurrently 24 years old. >> Currently 24. >> So close to 25 >> years old. All right, rock and roll. Uh before we get into relationship status for everybody, I'm going to just read some of our quick announcements. Guys,

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Brian Atlasflattering uh I post behind the scenes happenings. Uh and we I I received uh from from Seline. She sent some voice notes.

Brian Atlas>> Oh. So, I've I've uh I've put the voice notes to some of your Tik Tok dance videos, and we're going to play that. So, why don't you uh play that right now? >> I'm okay with this. >> It's okay. Yeah, >> I actually >> Go ahead.

SPEAKER_14>> Yeah. [snorts] >> Full full screen full screen audio and start it from the beginning. >> Wait, guys, don't quote me. >> Also, I know it's content, but I'm really tired of you guys only taking on

SPEAKER_14dumb [ __ ] and bimbos and [ __ ] [ __ ] on your show. Like, please have some respect for the female community, I guess, and cast somebody who isn't a

SPEAKER_14total [ __ ] idiot. Like, no wonder >> think that all of us are like this. >> You guys are showcasing the most dumb [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life. I've

SPEAKER_14literally never seen a more dumb group of women in one spot than your page. So, thank you for that. >> Very nice. [laughter] >> So, very nice. >> So real. >> Wow. That's crazy.

Brian Atlas>> I can appreciate that. >> So guys, uh behind the scenes, discord.gg whatever. discord.gg whatever. Nick, just pull it up in the StreamYard here. Uh the link. Yeah. And

Brian Atlasuh yeah, if you want to see I post a bunch of behind the scenes. I try to post quite frequently on there. So uh and you can also interact with uh me. You know, I'm I try to I try to talk a

Brian Atlaslittle bit in the general chat. So um by the way, I disavow what you said. That's crazy. >> It was a little extremist. >> Bimbo. >> Uh, you said bimbo. [ __ ]

Essie>> Well, >> and what was the other one? Dumb. >> I said it lightly. >> I've never referred to any of my guests as as stupid or dumb or [ __ ] >> They're not here today. >> I don't think you have to refer to them. I think that everybody knows without you

Brian Atlasreferring to them as that. >> Well, hey, you guys are some real misogynists here. Okay. I would never I ne I first off I don't think I Nick >> have I ever like called a girl a bimbo >> no

Brian Atlas>> on the show >> some people take it as a compliment >> that's true >> I don't >> anybody here take it as a compliment are you uh do is it a compliment what do you

Selenathink >> um I think how so what I guess what made you send that message like did you feel like you wanted to be on here really badly

Seline>> there was a specific video that I did see um a few actually. Um sometimes they just ask very targeted questions to obviously not the brightest people in the room.

Seline>> That's very insulting to the >> It's okay to not be that bright. It's okay. Some people just it's not their strong suit, but I have seen the tendency to ask, you know, the not the brightest people in the room the questions and then you get the not the

Selenabrightest answer and the comments are like everybody's the women. >> Can you make that noise again? No. [laughter] >> Okay. >> I mean, I think that's based if you have

Selenabase takes, like if you're coming on here and you have base takes, which you may. >> Well, we haven't gotten there yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. We'll we'll get there. We'll get there. Um, anyways, that was funny. So, that's behind the scenes. >> I actually I really appreciate that. Touched the heart, honestly.

Seline>> The showing the video or >> the just the little the montage. >> Yeah, I really love that actually. >> Well, you're welcome. Um, >> thank you. >> We'll send you upload to your >> I do. So, uh, okay, we're going to get

Selenaback to Oh, relationship status. So, uh, tell me your relationship status. >> So, I'm currently single. Um, I was in a

Selenasituationship with a red pillar and that actually is what motivates a lot of my content. Um, I like to spread awareness against the epidemic, which is red pill men. >> Okay. Epidemic. >> Yep.

Selena>> Of >> red pill men. What is an epidemic? >> It's a crisis. It's >> crisis. >> Yes. Correct. >> What What is the crisis?

Selena>> The crisis is that red pill ideology is being spread to all of these men. Actually, the United Nations also

Selenarecognizes it as a crisis because red pill men are more likely to kill women. >> I actually So, are you When you say red

Selenapill, are you referring to what? I'm referring to men that are extremely misogynistic and hate women. >> Are you unfamiliar with what red pill is? >> Well, I mean there's a whole bunch of

Selenaterms. >> So, are you unfamiliar with red pill? >> Well, why don't you explain it to me? What? When you use the term red pill, what do you mean? >> Okay. So the red pill movement came specifically they're referring to the

Selenamatrix when kind of men take the red pill >> and they become awakened to the fact that a lot of women are dangerous for society. Okay. >> Did you just say that the fact that women are dangerous to society?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Well, that's your position. >> I never said that. I said this is what men who are red pillars do. >> Really quick before I have you continue with the definition you cited to the

Brian AtlasUnited Nations. Yes. >> Which is incredibly biased, but Okay. >> Okay. What is the United Nations bias to? >> Oh, there's massive left-wing bias in the United Nations. And like for example, um Yeah. Yeah. So, for example,

Brian Atlaslike they have a UN women. They don't have like a corresponding UN men. >> Why would they? >> What do you mean? Wouldn't that be equality? >> So, women have been oppressed for centuries. >> Are women oppressed currently?

Selena>> Some may argue. Yes. Yes. >> In the United States, >> yes, some may argue that. >> Is the red pill predominated? >> Do I think do I think women are more oppressed than my other minorities? Not necessarily. >> Okay. So, you're talking about

Selenaintersectionality. >> Yes. I think white [snorts] women may not be oppressed as women of color, but if we're talking specifically about black women, they are far more

Selenaoppressed. And yes, they are disadvantaged because they're facing racism, but also misogyny. Mhm. Uh, okay. >> So, anyways, but back to the United Nations being biased. >> Yeah, it's it's

Selena>> okay. So, how so you're telling me that the United Nations that has a security council that is filled with the United States, China, and other countries are leftleaning.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it's it's if you look at, for example, the UN women like Twitter account or like what they're doing, it's basically feminist propaganda. So, feminism is more a left-wing ideology. So I would say if you're like propagating feminism that is a leftwing

Selenabias. >> Okay. So what the United Nations does a lot of what they do has to do with advocating against genet genital mutilation in Africa. Okay. So of women >> of women. >> So is that like problematic? We

Brian Atlasshouldn't fight against that. >> Oh, I'm against that 100%. >> Okay. So So who else is going to do that work if we're not talking about the United States mutilation? If we're going to bring up gen genital mutilation, um I

Brian Atlasthink it's fair to bring up the fact that actually male genital mutilation is actually far more prevalent and common throughout most uh well I don't know about in certain countries but uh at

Brian Atlasleast in the United States for example in many western countries uh yeah uh male circumcision is completely rampant and actually there doesn't seem to be any sort of attention or push brought to

Selenathis outside of like male spaces. >> Okay. So, are you trying to compare circumcision to female genital mutilation? >> Yeah. Well, I'm prepared to say this. So, like

Brian Atlas>> So, there's a difference as a man. >> Yeah, I agree. Okay, go ahead. I agree that there's a difference and I would be willing to grant for example like if we're comparing a onetoone situation where like a woman has her clitoris

Brian Atlasremoved versus like a fairly um commonplace like medical circumcision. I'd be willing to absolutely grant that like the female genital mutilation is worse. However,

Brian Atlasthere's far more instances of circumcision than there are of FGM. >> Okay. So, if you are a man who is circumcised, can you still use your

Brian Atlas>> can a woman who has who's >> can you still have an orgasm? >> Uh, there's different types. >> Well, so so I would say just to be charitable for the majority of men, yeah, probably. >> Okay. >> However,

Brian Atlas>> versus >> Okay, that's that's fine. However, >> and then we need to also look at >> You got to let me finish if you're going to ask ask a question. So I I would at least point out that uh it's not always

Brian Atlasthe case that circumcisions happen without any sort of uh side effects or even like total loss of the penis. In fact, often times, yes, in some cases

Brian Atlaswith circumcision, there's total loss of the penis. There's like severe scarring, um all kinds of things that can happen. >> Okay, so here's what I'm here's what I want to say, though. >> Yeah. >> I think there is a difference between why

Selena>> [snorts] >> female mutilation happens versus circumcision happens. Okay. So, a lot of the time circumcision happens, it actually started in religion and a lot

Selenaof religions believe that it was better. It was it was either cleaner or it was a way to show some type of religious

Selenawhatever. Okay? versus female mutilation started. So a woman cannot experience pleasure because a lot of people a lot of the countries where

Selenayou see female mutilation they don't want that woman to experience pleasure. They don't want her to have an orgasm. They don't believe women should be having sex for reasons [snorts] other

Brian Atlasthan having children and childbearing. And so that is the difference. That is a key difference to note. I mean my understanding of the research I've done this practice of female genital

Brian Atlasmutilation it's actually something that's upheld by the women in these societies and women will practice it on other women. So it's not like some e evil conspiracy of men that are like holding

Brian Atlasthese women down and mutilating their genitals. It's actually typically something that is both practiced by the women in either the tribes or in these societies. And in addition to that, it's it's also uh something that's kind of

Brian Atlasthere's there's a social pressure more so that that women enact this upon other women versus some sort of patriarchal structure that is like oppressing women into getting FGM.

Selena>> So a lot of people in specific countries aren't necessarily as educated on that and so they may feel that way. But I do agree with your point that it may not be

Selenaonly the men like men are these monsters that are forcing women to get mut mut mutilated. But I think

Selena>> a lot of the causes for a circumcision versus mutilation are different and we need to look at the root causes for that. >> Uh do you want kids at when you're older or

Selena>> I don't know. If you were to have sons, would you have them circumcised? >> It depends. I would look I would look at the health benefits. I would look at how

Selenait would affect them when they grow up and then I would base it off of that. I would want my kids to live a long healthy life. So, whatever would allow them to do that, I would I would do.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Sure. I mean, I'm prepared to say like FGM. And just just to be clear, FGM is like terrible and it should be completely abolished in the countries that practice it. At least as it relates to the United States though, FGM is

Brian Atlascompletely you can't do that. You can't do FG. It's a it's a criminal offense here. It's like a routine medical practice when uh there's a newborn boy.

Selena>> So you feel that it harms those children to be circumcised? >> Yes. >> It does not. >> I think does it harm my child? >> I mean there's varying levels. I think it does. It doesn't. But they're in pain

Brian Atlasafterwards, aren't they? >> I mean, there's a whole bunch of different arguments. Like, for example, like you're inflicting a psychological wound by like I mean, they scream and they cry when you do this procedure. Um, so there could be like some potential

Brian Atlasargument as to like psychological damage that could be could be done. And in addition to that, there while I would be willing to grant that in most cases, yeah, you have a circumcision and your penis down the road ends up working

Brian Atlascompletely fine, I would argue that there is a proportion of people who do have uh who do get or boys who do get circumcision who then grow up to have either scarring issues, they have um

Brian Atlasthey have trouble with uh they they have less sexual pleasure because it that is like a not to be graphic or whatever, but there's like pleasure uh Uh what's the nerves? Thank you. There's like

Brian Atlasnerves that are removed. >> So I mean does it they probably you know still enjoy sex but it like diminishes to some degree the sexual pleasure that they would have otherwise had.

Brian Atlas>> So what do you say to religions like Christianity and other Abrahamic faith that encourage that? >> Oh yeah. I'm I'm absolutely against it. I don't care what your religion says.

Erica (Married)Doesn't really matter. We should completely do away with uh circumcision. I I think that a CT scan would show pre and post circumcision that there is

Brian Atlastrauma in the child's brain >> and sometimes they lose like part of the the glands, they lose part of the head. Uh in in some rare instances they'll

Selinelose the entire penis. >> Um I I believe that a part of circumcision like coming into place in the first place was because of Puritan culture. They wanted in some instances

Brian Atlasthey wanted to remove the pleasure nerves or >> yeah sure that could be I think that could probably be >> the case and I think there are there is some religious component >> to male circumcision but I I don't want

Brian Atlasto get too far down the rabbit hole of male circumcision. We were relating it to the UN and my position was just that uh the UN as an organization clearly has a bias against men. >> So

Selena>> so I don't think it's like a particularly How does the United Nations harm men? How does it press? >> I don't necessarily say they harm men, but I might be able to make that argument. >> Okay. So, you feel that the United

Brian AtlasNations, Do you feel that it should exist? >> Uh, should it exist? Well, I'm not really like a politics, geopolitics guy. So, I would have to look into the benefits like politically of having the

Brian AtlasUN or whatever. However, like I do think it's again not really my wheelhouse, but at least as it relates to your claim about you citing to the UN saying, "Well, the

Brian Atlasred pill ideology, it's like uh you know, it's a emerging I don't want to put words in your mouth, but there's this argument that the red pill is emerging terrorist threat to the United dangerous threat." And I think it's

Selenacompletely overstated. >> So, >> can you So, do you feel that you yourself are a red pillar? What? You'll have to define red pill. >> Well, if you are, can you define what you believe in? >> Well, it depends. People have different

Brian Atlasdefinitions of it. >> Okay. So, what is your personal definition? >> Well, first I would start off by saying, and I know you don't like this categorization or label either, I would say I definitely lean conservative. And I know in your notes you say you don't

Brian Atlaslike conservatives, but as it relates to the red, uh there's all kinds of really like there's really extreme stuff where you're getting into like basically like

Brian Atlas>> as it relates some people can like you can be red pill on like veganism. So like I want to make sure we're being precise about like the terms here. >> So when I think of red pill, I you mentioned the matrix. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> I think that that's a fair characterization. So, I think taking the red pill, I guess, spoiler for the Matrix movie. So, to take the red pill means you're pulling away the the wool, what's the term when when

Brian Atlas>> the wool over your eyes, >> the wool over your eyes. You're basically seeing the truth of the world. And there's a lot of propaganda. And you I you I think it'd be fair to say there's propaganda on both sides perhaps. There's like Republican,

Brian Atlasconservative propaganda, and there's leftist, liberal, Democrat propaganda. And then there's the truth. And so I believe in the red pill, it's just the

Brian Atlastruth. So and if those truths tend to be uncomfortable, we we accept that regardless. So, >> so >> I would acknowledge like in in the sense

Brian Atlasthat I've taken the red pill, I believe in truth over discomfort, but like if there's like a specific red pill ideology like you, for example, uh Andrew Tate, some people would label him

Brian Atlasas red pill and he's like believes in polygamy and he believes um I'm trying to think like a good example I could give [snorts] as it relates to Andrew Tate. Um,

Brian Atlaswhat's a what's a Andrew Tate red pill argument? Do you have any of that? >> That so that basically men are more oppressed than women are.

Selena>> Does Andrew Tate argue that >> many like many people and proponents of the red pillar ideology argue that? >> Do you believe that? >> Do I think men are more pressed than

Brian Atlaswomen? Perhaps in some ways, yes. And you know what? [ __ ] it. I'll just bite I'll bite the bullet. Sure. I Yeah, I can. I mean, sure. I'm prepared to bite the bullet. Sure. >> Okay. So, Okay. So, then tell me more.

Brian AtlasTell me more about that. >> Yeah. So, and I think first off, it's geog a bit ge geographical related, but at least in the United States, I'd be prepared to forward this argument or

Brian Atlas[snorts] I mean this would actually apply to almost all nations, almost all states. So throughout all of human history, the story of feminism is women have been oppressed, women have

Brian Atlashad it worse, men have had more privileges, men have had all these positions of power. Uh men were the oppressors, women were the oppressed >> for sure. >> Well, I kind of dispute that. And I think that perhaps you can make the

Brian Atlasargument that a very throughout all of human history, a very very small proportion of men did have power. But I wouldn't say those men had power because they were men necessarily. they just happen to be from a long line of people

Brian Atlaswho already had power. So power begets power. So I don't think it necessarily has to do with the fact that they have a penis and that they're men. This seems to be quite a bit of a oversimpl over oversimplification of really like

Brian Atlascomplex power structures that exist in society because like I would just point to the like the 99% of both men and women who had absolutely no power through human history. So this idea that

Selenawell men as a group and let me just ask your uh position on this. Are men as a group the oppressor class >> it depends. It is a lot more nuanced than that. I do I can agree with that. I

Selenathink when we're talking about class struggle that is one thing. Okay. But then we're going to talk about if we're talking specifically about gender, if

Selenawe're looking at male and female, >> men, yes, have tended to maintain power and have held on to that power. Right?

SelenaSo if we're looking at, for example, the Bible, okay? Um, >> and something that's been there since people can cite it from people have been

Selenaciting it from the beginning of time. Okay. The Bible in itself has misogyny in it. Right? So if you're looking at the Adam and Eve argument,

Selenamen have used that for centuries to oppress women, saying that women caused original sin. Women are the root of all evil. Eve took a bite of the apple, so

Selenait's women's fault. Okay? And that has really led to so much misogyny that is at the hands of men wanting to oppress women.

Selena>> Wait, men want to oppress women because of >> of their faith? Potentially >> because of the original sin >> potentially. I've Yes, I've heard that argument multiple times. >> Well, I'm not So, just to be clear, I'm

Brian Atlasnot going to forward any religious arguments. I'm agnostic. Although I I do have pro-Christian sentiments, >> but I'm not going to have a theological debate with you. >> Yeah. And I'm not saying we should have a theological

Selena>> Are you religious? Are you >> But I am not I don't My religious beliefs don't necessarily bleed into my political beliefs. >> Are you religious though? >> In my personal life, yes. >> What are you Muslim or? >> Yes.

Selena>> Okay. >> But I will say, this is what I will say. I will say that a lot of Christian ideals bleed into Yes. >> If you don't mind, really quick, just on the You're Muslim.

Selena>> Yes. >> Do you think Islam is less oppressive than Christianity? >> I think that the media wants to frame certain narratives. I think if we're talking about

Selenareligion, >> sure, >> a lot of times religion can be weaponized against women and used to oppress them. Okay. And if we're talking about the

SelenaWest, of course, the West is going to want to frame Islam, whatever, as oppressive, this, this, and that. Am I making the argument that Christianity is more oppressive than Islam? Not

Brian Atlasnecessarily. But I mean we I don't think it's just media framing. So I mean we have we have for example >> Islamic doctrine that we can look at.

Brian Atlas>> Okay let's talk about that. What Islamic doctrine is oppressive to women. >> Oh well I mean again I'm not a theological expert but what I could point to for example like I think in Muslim majority countries you tend to

Brian Atlassee less freedoms for women. So if if you look at most western countries that I are are either Christian or have like a Christian heritage, women have like really robust freedoms in either

Brian AtlasChristian countries or >> what do you count? >> Sorry. >> Oh, sure. Like ability to vote. Well, I mean like for example, do you think United States is more uh at least as it relates to women is more free than like

SelenaAfghanistan which is a Muslim country? >> Yeah, but like in what regard? So if we're talking about women owning land, like currently. >> Yes. So if you're going to say so so are

Selenayou saying that freedom equates to how women get to dress >> or are we talking about >> right to own land etc.

Brian Atlas>> You think the only restriction on women's freedom in Afghanistan is their dressing ability? >> No, I never said that. I'm just asking

Selenayou to define freedom. freedoms. Like if we're talking Okay, so if we're talking about for instance Saudi Arabia versus if we're talking about Afghanistan versus if we're talking about Iran, it's

Brian Atlasall different. >> I mean, I would I would probably argue, again, I'm not the expert in like all, you know, Muslim majority countries. >> Yeah. So that's so so sorry to interrupt

Selenayou, but it's that's what I'm saying. It's very nuanced. So I I can't speak to all Muslim majority countries. >> Sure. I would >> and then if if we're talking about

Brian Atlascountries that are under the Taliban um or ISIS etc that's also very different >> and you you did site to female genital

Brian Atlasmutilation you you are aware that FGM is typically practiced uh well not not exclusively but it is

Selenamore so practiced in Muslim majority countries than in western Christian countries. Yes. >> Okay. >> So again, that doesn't that doesn't mean

SelenaI I agree with that practice. I think everyone, for example, if we're look if we're citing the KKK, the KKK claimed to be Christian nationalists and they still

Selenakill black people. Okay. So what I'm saying here is people take faiths and they become extreme. They can take an iteration of faith and take it way too

Selenafar. But that is the so I when I'm speaking for oh in my personal life I practice religion that does not mean that I stand for a lot of the ways that

Brian Atlasit has been corrupted and the lot of social things that it imposes on women. >> Well hold on but you really quick. You you invoked the KKK here when we're

Brian Atlastalking about like the Islamic influence in Muslim majority countries. So I wait hold on. I think that's a bit of a false equivalence to say that first off the KKK has

Brian Atlasno political capital at all in this country and to it's a false equivalence because the Taliban has robust political power in Afghanistan and the that's not like

Selena>> so yeah but there was a time that the KKK had robust influence here in the US right so >> not necessarily >> I mean I would agree so I would agree

Brian Atlashistorically the KKK uh was was bigger, had more influence perhaps uh what is it 50s60s7s but not anywhere near approaching the

Selenalevel of influence and power that like the Taliban has in Afghanistan. >> Okay. And I I agree that the Taliban and its practices are incorrect. I'm but but what I am so what I'm what I was

Selenapointing to with the KKK example is that a lot of time religion can be taken and manipulated. And so I'm saying in that specific instance, do I think that is a perfect iteration of what Islam should

Selenalook like? Absolutely not. But am I here to defend Islam? No. I'm here to protect women's rights. And I think a lot of the times religion is can be great and it's

Selenaa great thing to practice and keep in your life. Do I think it should bleed spec into politics and how we practice certain things and how women are treated? No. Because it can always be co-opted. Well, I guess just because you

Brian Atlasinvoked to the conversation about religion and you seem to have shifted blame towards Christianity, I was simply just pointing out you yourself are a Muslim where

Brian Atlas>> I mean I I think it would just be it's objectively the case that >> at least as it relates to the religion, it seems far more oppressive to women's freedoms than Christianity. And then if

Brian Atlasyou look at the fruits, you look at the fruits of Christianity. You look at western countries that either are Christian or have a Christian heritage, Christian history, you compare them to

Brian Atlasuh Muslim countries, Islamic countries. Uh there's it's they're far more rife with uh uh lacking in rights for women. I mean

Selenato be honest I disagree in the sense that I think a lot of the times there's a few things I want to say here right I don't want to have a theological argument with you but I think if we're

Selenalooking into the specific texts when it comes to the Quran versus the Bible >> the Quran is less oppressive to women especially at the specific time that it

Erica (Married)came down I think it is a matter of interpretation when it does come down to that I think that here overgeneral generalization of the Bible itself is harmful. Um I don't necessarily think it's an

Selenaovergeneralization. I'm just saying if we look at the texts themselves, right? So I've studied both the Bible and I've studied the Quran and I've looked at both of those texts and by looking at the text I can tell you that the Bible

Selenais more oppressive towards women especially at the time that it came down and the practices that were imposed on the women that were there. Okay. I think you are just experiencing selective exposure to

Selena>> No, I'm telling you that I read the text. It's not a selective exposure, but I am. What I will say is that the way that those religions are practiced and people have taken them and people have

Selena>> grappled with them and what people have extracted from them and began to practice is very different than what's written in the text itself. >> Those are fringe or extremist groups that the entire the entire community

Erica (Married)should not be defined or labeled by. >> Okay. I I agree. That's not what you said. You were demonizing the entire Christianity. >> No, I was not demonizing Christianity. I was saying what was in the Bible. >> I was saying you were saying that Christian men were weaponizing Adam and

SelenaEve's story. >> Yes. And that is true. But I'm not saying that Christianity as >> But not all Christian men weaponize it. >> Okay. Yes. Yes. But I was citing as an example. I was saying >> Christian men interpret it that way.

Selena>> I agree. I never said all men. I said specifically that a lot of times religion is pointed to as this is why women deserve to be oppressed. So I was citing that and the same thing can be

Selenasaid for Islam. A lot of men use that use the Quran as a way to oppress women. Any religion can be used to oppress women. And so what I was saying was from the beginning of time women have been

Erica (Married)oppressed due to men's iteration of certain religions. Well, this toxic or this oppressive behavior that you're observing is an individual, not a community. >> Yes. I'm saying that religion can be

Selenaweaponized. That that that is has nothing to do with the entire religion as a whole. I'm saying people can take religion regardless of what the religion is and weaponize it. >> There will be extremist groups of any

Selenaand every group that exists, but you should not label or define. >> I never labeled anything as that. I I I just said >> you said Christianity is oppressive. You weaponized. >> I said men can take Christianity and weaponize it.

Selena>> I think that's an overgeneralization. >> Saying that men can weaponize Christianity is an overgeneralization. >> They can. They can. They can weaponize it. >> They can and they have. >> It's possible, but that is an overgeneralization. I don't think you

SPEAKER_00know what that means. >> She never said the majority of men. >> Hold on. Well, let me let some chats come through and then >> Jacob Joseph donated $200. Chair one, you cited to the United Nations, the same United Nations that

SPEAKER_00put Iran on the human rights council. Can you please tell me about Iran's record on women's rights? >> So, yeah, sure, friend. Joseph, [laughter] um, >> a message from the government of Canada.

SPEAKER_00>> Hold on. What? >> Pasty George donated $2004. So according to chair one, men such as myself who refuse to enter into a relationship with a western woman or any

Brian Atlaswoman influenced in any way by feminism are bad and more likely to unal alive women. >> Lol. >> Sorry for the delay on these guys. Um, sorry, two came in there. Do you want to

Selenaaddress Jacob first and then pasty? >> Sure. Um, [clears throat] what I'm going to say to Jacob, right, is if you want to look at Iran, right,

Selenaand you want to look at what happened, okay, you can blame [snorts] the United States and you can blame the West for that, for staging a coup. The CIA was

Selenainvolved. Look it up. Um, and putting Iran back into an oppressive regime.

Selena>> And your response to, uh, Pasty George? Um he said, "Oh, that we that men who reject feminism want to unal alive women." Um

Brian Atlas>> anybody really quick before you respond. Uh anybody want champagne? >> I'm okay. >> Champagne. Champagne. >> No, thank you. >> One, two, three, four. >> I happen to have cider. >> No. >> No.

Selena>> Um champagne. >> Okay. But so I don't think ne I think yes they have tendencies to be more dangerous towards women. If you believe that you don't want to engage with any

Selenawomen that have anything to do with feminism that's a bit concerning and I think that men who believe that would be more violent towards women. >> Well too late now. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Well said. >> Thanks. Do you want I'm okay. I'll take >> uh Seline, I know you wanted to jump in on something there. >> Yes. Um >> I don't know if you still have that, but

Seline>> I'm I'm not entirely educated on the the actual texts in the Quran and I I've read the Bible as a kid, but not in recent times. So, I'm not going to sit here and act like an expert. But from my knowledge,

Selinethe literal, if we're talking about just the text here, not the connotations, not the implications, not the people behind the text, if we're talking about the text, I would argue that Islam is arguably

Selinemore oppressive than Christianity. Just text wise, I would say that Christian people that I have had experience with have been a little bit more oppressive, but that's honestly because I've met

Selinemore Christian people than I have met Muslims. Um, but again, from my knowledge of the text, it's much more >> oppressive. We're going to move off uh religion here, but really quick, we do a

Brian Atlascheers. We'll do cheers to Pasty George. He does Champagne Pop. Uh to um to peace in the Middle East, I guess. >> Peace in the Middle [laughter] East.

Essie>> Since we're on the topic, uh Sal, >> thank you George. It's >> very nice.

Brian AtlasOh, >> straight from the bottle. Okay. Um, we'll finish off on the back and forth and we'll get it back to the dating stuff, I guess. Um, okay. So, the UN, look, my I guess my position is just

Brian Atlasyou cited to the UN. I guess they did a study that >> these red pill men are a threat. >> Um, I don't think the UN is a particularly

Brian Atlasreputable uh source. So, but I mean [clears throat] >> I don't know if you had more on that or >> more in red pill. >> Uh, yeah. I mean, you were just I I I

Brian Atlasasked your relationship status and then you started talking about red pill and all this stuff. >> No, I just said that I that's when I encountered a red pill man who hated women >> and it really opened my eyes up to the

Lauren (Buddhist)dangers that >> How did your ex-boyfriend hate women? Like what did he demonstrate to you that made you believe that? >> Um, okay. So, it was a situationship. Didn't get that far, >> thankfully. >> So, he didn't even care to make it serious.

Erica (Married)>> Huh. >> So, he didn't even want to make it serious. So, how do you know that like he wanted a real relationship with you if he wasn't like taking you seriously and like giving you what you wanted? Like, you obviously weren't getting what you wanted out of the red pill guy, so

Selenayou dipped on him. >> What [snorts] did you like about him? >> Um, sorry. I'm just going to address what you said first, which is how did I know? I think I kind of began to understand that he was red pill when

Selena[snorts] he started saying that statistically women cheat more than men do. And then red flags started going off. I'm like, what what is he talking about? That's

Selenacrazy. That's just not true. Right? And so he was saying all this stuff. Um his behavior was just very hateful. a lot of the stuff he'd say. Um, it would be like

Selenainsults, disguised as jokes, stuff like that. And I was like, damn. And then after I I took say the female red pill >> and I was awakened to I was like, damn,

Selenayou really hate women. >> And then I began to go down this red pill pipeline. >> And I realized that a lot of what he was saying, other men were saying the same

Selenathing. um talking about like sub five, sub whatever. >> That's black pill. >> Oh, okay. >> For the record. >> Well, there there's like there and I don't like these like terms and labels

Brian Atlasjust because they're so convoluted, but there's all kinds of different categorizations. There's like the manosphere and then there's like the red pill and then there's the pickup artist and then there's the incels and then there's the uh and there's like I my

Brian Atlasunderstanding is there's a whole bunch of disagreement along all these the looks maxers which is like the >> you have a recessed maxul >> and your

Brian Atlasstaces and I don't I don't I'm not really familiar with all that lingo >> all that lingo but um you did you feel like in danger when you were dating him or whatever. >> So, I personally it didn't really get that far to that point.

Selena>> Mhm. >> So, no, I I did not feel in danger. >> Okay. But you you said you took the female red pill. So, your red pill no. >> Well, you're right. You [laughter] said you took >> Fine. I I'll take that back. Female pill.

Selena>> The female pill. >> Pink. So, yeah. I'm going to make that pill. >> The pink pill. What [laughter] is the What is the female red pill or the pink pill or whatever? >> So, it's something I'm coining. >> You're I'm coining the female red. She

Selenacoined it. There you go. I'm creating it and it's to be awakened. It's to be awakened to what is going be on behind the scenes men are saying >> that's my definition. >> Okay. Well, it's now mine. I'm co-op

Selenashare. >> I am co-opting that term for my own red pill. >> No, I'm not redpilled. I'm going to I'll say yeah, I'll say it's like >> my own definition. And it's that we need

Selenato wake up to what these men are saying online. We need to learn it and be able to spot them. Once we learn what they're saying, we can take those methods. We can get them under our belt and we can

Selenalearn to defend ourselves and stay away from all red pill men until they learn that they need to change. And I think that that can happen if we learn about what's going on. >> I see. Okay. Um, thank you.

Brian Atlas>> You and you wrote in your notes here that red pill men need to be eradicated. >> Yes. So, all red pill men are toxic. All red pill communities are toxic in your

Selenaopinion. >> Um, if you believe that women are less oppressed than men are and that females are the root of all evil then >> wait one thing one thing really really

Brian Atlasquick on the first part there. When you say uh if you think that men are more oppressed than women, what what would actually like you agree that women think that about they don't think that but

Selenathey think that women are more pressed. I mean, maybe some women take the red pill. I don't know. Maybe they've been brainwashed as well. >> No, no. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that women think the inverse. Women

Selenathink women are more oppressed. >> I think certain people think the inverse because there could be women. There could be men that believe that women are more oppressed and there could be women that believe that men are more oppressed.

Brian Atlas>> Right. But you okay, you would acknowledge that whether a man or a woman could believe and do believe that women are more oppressed than men. W women are more oppressed. >> So men and women should acknowledge that.

Brian Atlas>> I didn't say should. I'm saying they do. >> I Okay. Sorry. Could you repeat what you said? >> So do you acknowledge that there are women and men, I would categorize them as feminist who [snorts] do believe that women are more oppressed than men? >> That's correct.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Do you believe that? >> Yes. >> Yes. So I'm trying to understand then what would actually be wrong if somebody thought differently than you and did think that men were more pre because

Brian Atlasthat's basically the mirror of your belief. If your belief isn't wrong, why would it be wrong for men to think or even women to think that men have it worse or that men are more oppressed?

Selena>> So I'm just saying like factually, right? If someone's if someone's believing something that's factually incorrect, I feel bad for them. I believe that they deserve to get educated. >> How do we measure suffering?

Selena>> So are we talking about oppression here? How do we measure? >> Yeah. How would >> I would look at it systematically? >> System. >> I would look at systematically >> right over the years. >> What has have been the systems in place?

SelenaWhat have been the rules? What have been the regulations? What have been the laws? >> And then once we look at all of those systems, we can then come to a conclusion. Right? So if we're looking at all of the systems where women couldn't vote, women women couldn't have

Selenatheir own credit cards, they couldn't buy certain things, they needed men. >> Mhm. >> Right. That's what we call systematic oppression. Have men faced that? No. >> Oh, men absolutely have. >> What systematic oppressions have they faced?

Brian Atlas>> I love that you and I love the framing of system. I love the the the framing of system. Are you familiar with the selective service system? >> No. Oh, are we talking about the military?

Brian AtlasUh I it's related to the military. Yeah. >> Like like deployment? >> No. No. >> Well, there's the volunteer military, but I'm talking about selective service system. Are you familiar with this? >> Is this are we talking about

Brian Atlas>> how can you hold on? How can you have any position on like equality and feminism if you don't even know the primary way and mechanism in which men can be or are oppressed? >> The military,

Brian Atlas>> the selective, >> the military industrial complex. >> Well, that's hold on. military-industrial complex. >> Okay, so then can you explain it to me? >> Just but just to be clear, you're not familiar with the selective service system. >> No,

Brian AtlasI I suppose. >> Okay. Yes, thank you. Why don't we just call it drafting my gosh where I'm using some like Hold on, hold on. Where I'm using some like vague nebulous term to >> No, it's literally the government.

Selena>> So, it literally took one word of her just saying it's drafting and I it was all clear to me. So, we could have said we could have used >> But I got what he meant. you we couldn't [laughter] use the most common term. >> The selective service system. So you're

Selenahere acting like I don't know what that means. What it's like a basic government requirement. I do know what that means. It's just typically referred to as drafting. >> Okay. And who is subject to the draft in this country? >> Men.

Selena>> Are women ever subject to the draft or ever have >> Well, it has not occurred. It has not occurred since feminism and thirdwave fe thirdwave feminism hit either third or fourth wave.

Selena>> It has not occurred. So I do not know if there is a current draft if women would be drafted as well. I'm unfamiliar with that. >> What hasn't happened? >> Men being forced to get drafted. >> Well, I mean feminism started in Sica

Brian AtlasFalls in the late 1800s. >> Okay. Yes. So, uh, >> so there absolutely were military drafts from the even before the Civil War before you could even say there was like a a I would I would point to Senica

Brian AtlasFalls, I believe, in 1881 for like the genesis of feminism in this country. The Civil War was prior to that where there men were drafted. >> Okay. So, >> but you're saying there hasn't been a draft.

Selena>> When has been the last When was the last draft? >> Vietnam. 1970s. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So after >> well so >> after the right to vote >> when >> you tell what do you mean when >> sorry I thought she was she was

Brian Atlas>> no I was just >> well so frame you have women's right to vote >> okay you know what let's talk about the draft we were >> sure so as it relates to the system that exists you said men haven't been

Brian Atlassystemically oppressed in any sort of way I would argue that uh forcing men who are otherwise unwilling to that that don't want to put uh life and limb at risk This is absolutely oppressive. If

Brian Atlasthere was a government policy that for example uh either did this to women or did like what I would argue the counterpart would be. So like for example, if you had uh military police

Brian Atlaslike abducting women and forcing them to give birth, this would absolutely be completely oppressive to women. Women have not really ever faced that. However, throughout all of human history, but at least as it relates to

Brian AtlasUnited States law, men have been forced by the United States government, which is a system, in fact, it's the most powerful system in the entire world. They get forced they get for they got

Brian Atlasforced and they have been forced as recently as Vietnam, the Vietnam War. There would be men who would still be alive today had been drafted. There are men who are alive today who have PTSD,

Brian Atlaswho have missing limbs, who have all kinds of problems. Um, so yes, absolutely. Systemic oppression has been something inflicted upon men. >> This is what I want to say. I agree with you. I think the military-industrial

Selenacomplex needs to end. I think the draft is terrible. I think war is awful. And I think the war that has been executed by the United N United States is awful.

SelenaRight. But what I'm going to say here >> Mhm. is that is one system as opposed to the multiple other systems that have specifically only been inflicted on

Selenawomen. Okay? So, if we're going to look at that one system and say >> there's others, but okay, >> and we're going to say, okay, this one system is the place where men have been oppressed, but then when it comes to the economy, when it comes to rights to

Selenavote, when it comes to this, when it comes to all of these other things, women have been oppressed. Right? So if you can give me more examples, I would I would love that.

Selena>> Can you give me an example of how women are currently being oppressed or an example of how you are currently being oppressed as a woman? >> So I think that if we look around, right, and we look at a lot of the

Selenaviolence that has been subjugated on women, a lot of the standard, the beauty standards, the domestic violence, the sexual violence, etc. All of those are forms of oppression.

Erica (Married)>> Mhm. where women are being oppressed by men and they're constantly put in danger because of those things. >> I would actually argue that a lot of those have a lot more to do with feminism because it is a lot of this my

Erica (Married)choice is okay cuz it's my choice and so if it's my choice to show off my skin then now I'm setting that beauty standard that is in fact harming others in the end. >> I'm sorry. How does that have anything

Selenato do with sexual violence at the hands of men? Because I'm saying that that's your choice in feminism, you know. Do >> how does my choice have anything to do with sexual assault and domestic

Erica (Married)violence? Is it like their choice? >> It's not exclusive to women. Sexual assault is not exclusive. >> I'm not saying it is, but rates are higher for women. >> And you know that that's not you know that you're demonizing a small amount of

Erica (Married)men. Why? I mean, sorry. You're demonizing a large group of men based off what very very few do and that's not fair again. So if we look at the rates

Erica (Married)of sexual assault and domestic violence, they're much higher, right? In being inflicted upon women. Okay? So I'm just talking about facts. >> So actually I think that feminism has evidence of being dangerous because the

Erica (Married)domestic violence crimes are escalating only in females and it's decreasing in men. [snorts] >> Hold on. Let's not shift the goalpost here. You were referencing systemic oppression.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Governments are not forcing women to be essayed. So >> um >> you would have to point to like systemic oppression.

Selena>> So right that's individual individual crime which is bad which is wrong. >> Yes. And I Okay. So I was yes I was referencing that based on today. Okay. If we're talking about myself what I'm

Selenapersonally facing. But then if we want to talk about systemically, do you think that just all of a sudden those systems have dissipated? Just because the systems have been eradicated doesn't mean that their effects aren't still

Selenathere. >> Give me an example of how you're actually currently being oppressed. >> How I'm currently being oppressed. Okay. So because those systems have been in place so long where women shouldn't have

Selenajobs, women shouldn't have financial stability, women shouldn't be in charge of their own finances, a lot of families have come to think that that is the truth. They have come to accept that.

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