Brian CONFRONTS Woke Misandrist College Girl?! HEATED DEBATE! Based Girl RETURNS! | Dating Talk #269

Date: 2025-11-17

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSeline (Cosmetology)>

GGrace (Zoology)>

NNatalie/Morena Chinga >

LLauren (Buddhist)>

EErica (Married 264)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Seline(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren (Buddhist)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Selena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Natalie/Morena(guest)

SPEAKER_10Grace (Zoology)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Samra(guest)

SPEAKER_13Erica (Married)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

ControversySelena wants red pill men 'eradicated'

Key MomentBrian presents selective service as systemic male oppression. 40-min debate.

QuoteSelena: 'I think men suck. 60-70% of men suck.'

ControversyGrace prefers world without men. Selena cannot say no to snapping men away.

Key MomentLauren: Buddhist nun, FBI investigated for Jan 6

ControversySelena: 'white people invented racism'

OtherSelena leaves. Brian calls her most argumentative guest ever.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Selena (Georgetown/TikTok), Lauren (Buddhist nun/Jan 6).

Red Pill Eradication

Selena wants red pill men 'eradicated.' Brian challenges.

Selective Service Debate

40-minute debate on draft as male systemic oppression.

65% of Men Suck

Selena: 65% of men suck. Brian: that's sexist.

Stolen Land / Immigration

Selena: 'no one is illegal on stolen land.' Native American debate.

Snap All Men Away

Grace and Selena cannot say no to removing all men. Brian shocked.

Colombia / Palestine Allegiance

Natalie sides with Mexico/Palestine. Selena refuses to answer.

Lauren Jan 6

FBI investigated but did not arrest Lauren for Jan 6 attendance.

Body Count

Lauren: 5M/2W. Natalie: 100+. Essie: 12-13.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing video. Selena uses it as grounds to leave.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasmake a decision her choice right but >> uh I think you need to like try to build her her her not conf I guess confidence >> selfesteem

Selena>> her her constitution you need to build her constitution up >> yes okay >> you're beautiful you don't need lip filler you don't need botox >> I see what you're saying but a lot of

Selenathe times say okay say this you're dating this girl and you're telling her, she's like, she's feeling insecure. You're like, "Girl, babe, you don't need a boob job. You're so perfect." And then

Selenayou're on Pornhub at night searching up girls with big, you know what I mean? >> So, sure you >> I'm a labia guy, by the way. I don't Big >> Oh, you are so special. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Like, it's not big butt, big boobs. I'm a big labia guy. [laughter] >> I like you. I don't know if I >> well like so I don't think men if they're in a relationship they shouldn't

Brian Atlasbe watching porn or I mean look if it's long distance or whatever if if it's not like an addiction >> and that like I think there is a level of porn consumption that can be like

Selenaminimally harmful to to you as an individual or like not harmful at all. >> So what about like Instagram? Like say a guy is on you have a girlfriend you're on Instagram and you're liking like all

Brian Atlasyou shouldn't be doing that that's a that >> but here you shouldn't even be doing that [ __ ] when you're single >> like that's an L for a like that you shouldn't do that but definitely in a

Selenarelationship I don't think you should be liking like IG girls. >> So why do you think guys do that? I see a lot of guys respect >> I think it's a couple things. I think

Brian Atlasit's this I think it's a society, but I think a lot of dudes are [ __ ] de degenerate gooners that are [ __ ] pornrained. And I think that that's bad and we should move away from that. We

Brian Atlasshould encourage men. We should encourage men [laughter] >> to uh like look I again I think there's like if you're a single guy and you

Brian Atlaswatch porn and you're not like [ __ ] just jerking it 24/7 and it's like whatever. >> I don't think it's super harmful to yourself. But I would actually say look move away from watching porn. Reduce

Brian Atlasyour porn consumption as much as possible. But when you're in a relationship, assuming like you guys see each other frequently, uh, you should save that for your girlfriend. Um, and look, ideally, you move away from it

Brian Atlascompletely, whether you're in a relationship or not. Um, or look, maybe your girl, if she's okay with that, she can send you some stuff and you could watch her [ __ ] like, but it's just she's

Brian Atlassending you stuff, right? Um, and I I think that that would perhaps be a solution there. Like if you're long distance or some [ __ ] you don't see her for like, you know, it's 3 months between, I don't know, let the guy jerk off a little bit, I guess,

Brian Atlas>> right? Give him some sleep. >> Like three months, you know, let the [laughter] guy let the guy blast a little bit, >> right? Don't tell me about it. >> Do you condone cheating? >> No, >> I don't think so. >> Okay. >> No,

Brian Atlas>> that's good. >> Do you think like that's most men condone cheating? >> I've met a lot of men that encourage it and think it's cool. >> Yeah, you should know. I I think if you've agreed to be monogous with somebody, you should

Erica (Married)>> not do that. I think cheating is bad. >> I think I've seen a lot of females too online who are like bragging about, you know, being promiscuous while in a relationship, too. So, I I feel like it's kind of like on both sides there.

Erica (Married)Like the lack of commitment is something that could be based person by person, not just based on sex. >> Do you think being a degenerate gooner makes you suck? [laughter]

Grace (Zoology)I I so uh >> cuz you could say a lot of people suck. A lot of men are degenerate gooners. Like it's kind of we're saying kind of the same thing. >> The severity of the suck. >> Yeah. Cuz it's like what makes someone

Grace (Zoology)suck cuz that was kind of like I think that was a big issue in our debate when we were talking about >> you could say that like >> we should have defined the term. I guess >> California calling people weird. making someone's like you could say like using

Grace (Zoology)suck is a very like generous like if you were going to be like very liberal about the way that you like were to define suck like I'm kind of thinking like oh like he sucks if like

Grace (Zoology)>> he doesn't like >> clean up dishes or something after I like cook for him and that's like I don't know where like that's like very easy way to describe it. So, like you could use it in that way or you could say like someone sucks if they like kill their

Brian Atlas>> I mean, yeah. So, I mean I here's what I would say. If you're in a relationship with a girl and you're like if you're liking IG models pictures on Instagram >> and this is going to cause your girlfriend distress, that's a sucky

Brian Atlasthing to do. >> Yeah. And but even if you're not in a relationship, I just think that that's kind of like a >> a simpy like absent the impact on a potential girlfriend, it's kind of just

Brian Atlaslike a simpy thing to do. And look, maybe I'm an older I'm a bit older, right? A different generation. Like on Instagram, I don't follow anybody. Like I just don't care. >> Like I don't I don't follow people on

Brian AtlasInstagram. I don't like I'm not like gooning looking at chicks photos. Uh, also I don't get that like if you're a guy, why you like on in like wouldn't you go the maximum distance if you're I

Selineguess why go to Instagram? Like why not just >> go all the way to porn? I guess >> it's easy to defend when it's on Instagram. You can gaslight somebody into thinking like, oh, it's really not that serious. I just liked her post.

Brian Atlas>> But that sentiment works. >> Are you guys willing to do this trade, though? So, I I absolutely agree with you guys. I think men being these like little pornrained [snorts]

Brian Atlasuh idiots just Oh my god, look at look at her ass. Let me like all her f Oh my god. Uh that's weird. >> But should is there what do you take

Brian Atlasthis trade? >> Men should stop doing that and women should stop putting out that sort of thing on Instagram. I'm okay with that. Do you take the trade? >> It's a good trade. >> Do you take the trade?

Erica (Married)>> I'll take it. Is that a fair trade? I don't know. Maybe you're like, I don't know. >> Feels fair, you know, like >> both parties are equally not contributing to the same problem, you know? >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> I think we should be, you know, trying to make uh efforts on both sides instead of just placing blame on one or the other. >> Girls need to have more self-respect. >> I'm going to I'm sorry for the delay on these. I'm We can come back to this conversation if any of you would like, but we have some chats coming through.

SPEAKER_00>> Message from the government of >> I'm very sorry for the delay. I'm sorry. $2004. >> Oh boy. Sorry, this came in the >> one three and four. What do you think about Charlie Kirk's views and what he

Brian Atlasfought for? >> What did he fight for? >> Oh boy. Um, >> what do you think I think about that? Like, come on. >> Actually, you did a video on it. Um, Pasty, I'm going to I wrote >> Oh, yeah. I did do a video on it.

SPEAKER_00>> Here, Pasty, I'm going to just to let the other chats come through just so they're not waiting too long. I'm going to write a note and I'll come back to that. Okay, Pasty. Thank Message from the government of Canada. >> Sorry for the >> George donated $2004.

SPEAKER_00Chair one is getting slave catchers or manhunters confused with city district police officers. In the old days, slave or manhunters were hired to track and capture in place of police. Lmfao.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you, Basty. >> This is true >> George. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Thank you, George. We have three more coming.

SPEAKER_00We have Indie >> Jim_indi donated $200. Hey, >> sorry Brian s one. The reason for the mute is that you are the most annoying guest I have seen on whatever.

SPEAKER_00>> [ __ ] >> Your uninformed opinions are not facts. >> Oh [ __ ] >> Tim Indy, we might be from the same town. >> Wait, what was that? Our viewer earlier? >> I don't think I don't think so. >> I think it was. It was right.

SPEAKER_00>> I'll we'll Yeah, I don't know. We'll uh we'll do that later. Uh, a message from the government of Canada. >> Yeah, let's >> pasty George donated $2004. >> Shares one, three, and four are the

SPEAKER_00classic examples of feminism influenced women who slept with men who were in the top 10% that smashed and dumped them with no commitment. They got hurt and now hate men, lol.

Selena>> What do you mean top 10%? What does that mean? >> We got that those good. We got them good men. That's what that means. >> [laughter] >> word. >> That's really funny. >> Uh, he has another one coming in. Thank

SPEAKER_00you, Pasty. >> Message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004. If so many women, especially feministic women, are strong independent who don't

SPEAKER_00need a man or their opinions, including attention, then why do women need makeup, cosmetic procedures, etc. So I I do think that a lot of the

Selenastandards of you know like facial plastic surgery etc stem I we touched on this earlier stem from women having insecurities about themselves. It's less

Selenawhat the men are putting on them sometimes and that is why we can cite oh plastic surgery this this that. So do I think it's always influenced by men?

EssieSometimes yes other times no. >> All right. Uh, Essie, can I have you read these ones? >> I still can't get past this. How do you think that black people and women are the only groups that were historically

Selineoppressed? Surely that cannot be. What is going on here? >> I don't think anyone said that. >> Say that. >> It was, I believe, because of the the discussion earlier about how you can't

Essiebe racist to white people. Uh, Essie, you're >> you go to Georgetown and study foreign policy and you didn't know what World War I and World War II dates or the World War II dates.

EssieGet a refund from college. You think anyone at the UN doesn't know the dates of World War I and World War II? Wake up to yourself. Honest though. Oh, honest to God. That's just embarrassing. So, I

Selenagot it in the ballpark. I'm sorry that I didn't memorize those perfect numbers. Um, yeah. I don't know what else to say. If you're going to base my intelligence off of me memorizing a few numbers,

Brian Atlassure, go ahead. >> But don't you think if we're going to be having a comparative analysis of the oppression or privileges that men or

Brian Atlaswomen have? Don't you think there's just like some base level of like if it is the ca well it's not just if it's the case it is the case that through

Brian Atlasmilitary conflict and warfare this is a really I don't know if you guys would call it intersectional like a really great example of ways in which men

Brian Atlasdefinitely had it way worse than women today and historically I feel like if you are unaware like for example >> it's not necessarily being unaware. It's

Selenalike the ballpark of like a few years. And again, I'm like a history foreign policy major. I'm not like that. >> Well, it's not even so much. >> I'm not It's not like >> No, I mean I I know the timelines. I

Selenaknow the events. I know the details. So, if you're going to be like, "Oh, when is this specific year?" That's more memorization than it is understanding. >> But, I mean, warfare, and this goes in

Brian Atlasfact even beyond just forced military conscription. warfare is um something that uniquely and this isn't just the

Brian Atlasdraft actual war itself is something that uh um a way in which men have uniquely suffered in history. Now, just to be clear, uh almost all of society

Brian Atlassuffers when when war happens, but men are the primary victims, primary sufferers when there is a war. And so sometimes I feel like people don't have

Brian Atlasa full grasp of the gravitas, the heaviness of of war, and like the

Brian Atlassuffering experienced in war. Um, and I don't really think I I think a lot of feminists don't have an appreciation [clears throat] for like,

Brian Atlasand you know, you say, Brian, you only talked about the war thing. Truthfully, you're not going to like this take. You said, "Well, women have XYZ, and there's five different social things

Brian Atlaswhere women have it bad, and there's five systemic ways in which women have it bad." And I could, by the way, I could list like other ways men have it bad. I

Brian Atlasactually think if we look at just war, just war, and we and look, I I don't want to do like victim Olympics or whatever. What is it? I think that's what the term

Brian Atlasvictim Olympics. I actually think as it relates to comparisons between male grievance and female grievance, just on that one,

Brian Atlasignoring all the other ways in which men might have it bad, just on warfare, male suffering I is, I honestly think

Brian Atlashistorically modern day orders of magnitude greater than women's collective suffering. Are you like, "Okay, so >> so I get that there's been there's a lot

Selenaof >> Okay, so the violence inflicted upon men, right? So we're talking about war. We're talking about going >> Yeah. >> shooting a gun, maybe getting killed.

Selena>> And then we're going to compare it to >> Yeah. I never said it wasn't bad. And then we're going to compare that to a lot of women who also deal with issues

Selenalike domestic violence, sexual harassment at higher rates, >> who deal with childbearing and giving birth. >> Well, I don't think that that

Selena>> I'm we're talking about violence and we're talking about I guess the magnitude of things that they have dealt with, right? >> I thought we were just talking about the war. >> That's what I thought. >> Okay. I'm we're I'm

Brian Atlas>> No. Well, I I see where she's going. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. >> Women deal with a lot as well. >> Okay. >> Absolutely agree.

Selena>> So, when you say worse, I don't I obviously we can't necessarily like compare. There's not like a a perfect way of comparison, but I do think that there is

Selenaa lot a lot of violence that's inflicted on women that has been inflicted throughout all of history. Whereas, if we're talking specifically about the draft, that was certain periods of time. >> Well, I mean, >> where most men >> I mean,

Brian Atlas>> sorry, >> I mean, forced military conscription. uh but I mean even men who are will willing

Brian Atlasalthough I [sighs and gasps] I don't like for example in I there wasn't like World War II movies or

Brian AtlasI don't think people really understood war historically like we have access to a bunch of well we actually it's not just like fictional depictions of war we have non-fictional depictions of war like

Brian Atlasactual footage of war and we have firsthand accounts of people but like in the 194 uh 1914 or whatever I don't know if like uh a

Brian Atlas17-year-old boy from like Kentucky had a real appreciation for what he was going to experience when he went to like the

Brian Atlaslike deep forests of France like in like the Argon forest or like the Amyen or wherever wherever I don't think they had appreciation for like the shell shock they were about

Brian Atlasto experience. By the way, World War I, completely new style of warfare. Uh there was chemical weapons. There's chemical weapons being used. Trench foot. These people were like literally you do you know what trench foot is?

Brian Atlas>> It's bad. >> So basically these men were in trenches and they were there was a lot of rain, right? So it was completely wet and cold and they were in these wet boots that they never changed. They never change their socks. uh they were in these wet

Brian Atlasenvironments for like days, weeks, months on end. Uh basically their entire foot would end up uh basically rotting, right? And so there and that's just one

Brian Atlaslike really kind of small component of like the suffering >> that almost exclusively men experienced during warfare. >> I think the the sheer number too. So, even I guess what I was trying to get

Brian Atlaswith that is I don't know if like during World War I, World War II, men going like the 18-year-old volunteer force really had an appreciation or understanding of like, okay, I'm going

Brian Atlasto come back with like severe shell shock, severe, now we call it PTSD, severe battle fatigue, as they called it, I guess, back then. Uh, so even the volunteer force, but even the men who

Brian Atlaswere forced into military conscription, I think that the I don't think women have a really [sighs] I don't think women have like a full full understanding of the suffering

Selenaexperienced by men. >> Okay. But I don't think men have a full understanding of the suffering that's been experienced by women. And I think if we're talking about the sheer volume of women that were forced to carry pregnancies at very young ages and

Selena>> yeah that's bad >> were also forced to get married at such a young age and bear the children not even understanding like sometimes they didn't even know really what sex was or

Selena>> how like how [snorts] hard pregnancy can be. Right. So >> wait, are you talk you're talking about like child marriages or like child? >> We could say like 16 that was also happening.

Brian Atlas>> Um >> I I I I would feel remiss to not bring this up. [ __ ] I don't know. >> Oh my god. >> Do you know what I'm going to bring up? >> No, but I know it's going to be annoying. [laughter]

Selena>> Uh Aisha, are you familiar with this person? >> Okay. I've done a lot of research on this. That was not the case. I'm Are you sure? >> If if you want to go like back in

Selenahistorical records and talk about that. I'm We can do that. I've had certain professors say that it was actually 16. It was some professors have said it was 17. And then if we're going to look back in Europe, that also was occurring.

Selena>> Okay. >> Also, we can we can even get into the age of the Virgin Mary. We can talk about how women in Europe were also forced to carry pregnancies. We're not going to make this like, oh, this is just a Muslim issue.

Brian Atlas>> Sure. To bring it back though, it ultimately I'm not discounting that many, many terrible things have happened, do happen to women. There's no dispute there. I'm not going to dispute

Brian Atlasyou at all that there's absolutely ways in which women uniquely suffer and have unique bad experiences in life. But I think what feminism has done is when

Brian Atlaswhen women and feminists collectivize and say, "Well, hold on. women have had it so much worse than men and men are evil and men are bad and men are to

Brian Atlasblame. Well, then you've now opened the door for me to now make an assessment to make an analysis of like well hold on let's actually analyze this. If we're going to do if you're going to as

Brian Atlasfeminists make the claim women have suffered more well compared to what compared then I'm going to just say well okay then let's look at how women have suffered and how men have suffered. Okay. So, we've talked about the war

Brian Atlasthing. >> Sure. But it's >> Can you give me more examples? [clears throat] >> I I can. One quick question. One quick question and I'll I promise you I'll get into those other examples. >> Is it okay for women to say women

Brian Atlashistorically in current day or maybe just historically for some women I believe. Uh women have suffered more than men. >> Yes, I agree. >> And that's totally fine to say, right?

Brian AtlasThen why would it ever be wrong for men to be like, "Ah, actually, we think this, we believe this, and here's why we believe these things." >> Sorry, could you repeat that one more

Brian Atlastime? >> Well, I I guess you So, I think it it originates almost back to the very beginning where you're like, "Well, these men, they think that they're oppressed and they think they've had it bad and blah blah blah." Yeah. It's like

Brian Atlasbut it's we we are essentially playing the feminist game which is feminists are saying let's view society through female

Brian Atlasgrievance and then I'm now we're meeting you we're meeting you where you are and saying hm let's actually view society >> let's sure >> let's view society through male

Selenagrievance. >> Okay. So, I'm giving you examples and I'd like you to give me more examples than just war cuz you've been harping about war for like a couple hours now. And >> I want to hear more. Okay, let's go.

Selena>> Uh, do you want like systemic or do you want more social? >> I would say both. >> I would say both. Right. And I want them Let me just say one thing. I want them like Right. So, the examples I've cited

Selenahave been systemically women have not been allowed to get an education. We're not in like not allowed to financially be independent. um could not vote, um could not work.

SelenaOkay, that's we're going to say those for systemic. And then for socially, we're going to say, you know, they deal with the pain of childbearing. A lot of them were forced to bear children. Um

Selenaand then we're going to talk about domestic violence that happens at higher rates for women. And then also, um sexual assault that happens at rates that are rates that are much higher for

Brian Atlaswomen and sexual harassment. And I would like claims other than just war that are on par with that. >> Oh, okay. Well, I mean, now you're shifting the goalpost a bit like on par with that. That would be up to your

Selenainterpretation. >> I mean, not necessarily up to my interpretation. I think that are equivalent to that that you can say no, men have suffered equally or more. >> Well, now you're shifting the goal post. >> I'm not shifting the goalpost. We're

Selenatalking about have women suffered more than men. Well, yeah, but you can't just brush aside the military component. >> Okay. So, I'm adding military. I'm adding military and military can be one factor, but military alone does not equate to all of the factors that I just listed.

Brian Atlas>> So, do you remember Yeah. Yeah. So, I'll get into it. So, I'll start with systemic first. So, systemically, remember earlier when you said uh as compared to white people, black people there's there's bias in the court system

Brian Atlasagainst black people. They're they're more likely to be convicted of a crime. They're more policed. there they do longer jail sentences than than white people. Uh and you that's your position, right? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So all those things in terms of the bias that exists in the court system or by policing as it relates to black people, these same actually it's even larger. Uh the differences that you can

Brian Atlaspoint to in discrepancy between like sentencing length um likelihood of actually deciding to prosecute something. the the discrepancy that

Brian Atlasexists between white and black, it it goes from this to this if we're comparing between men and women. Now, you would say there's racism in the court system, racism in policing because the discrepancy exists. Well, in that

Brian Atlascase, I would have to say that there's absolutely absolutely discrepancy in sentencing guideline or not not guidelines, but in actual uh sentences, women receive women are more likely to

Brian Atlasget probation. women are more likely to receive less harsh punishments. Um there there's a whole Oh, by the way, the prison system is like way way more of a smooth ride for women than it than at

Brian Atlasleast men who are in men's prisons. Although, I'll be charitable here. >> Uh it's men contribute to the the harshness of the prison environment to

Brian Atlassome degree. So, I'm not going to say it's women's fault that that's the case, but it is the case that if you're a woman and you go to prison, that's going to be a bit more smooth sailing than like if you're a man and you go to

Brian Atlasprison. You go to Genpop as a man, you dis Wait, come on. You can't Hold on. You go to Genpop as a man, immediately you have to racially segregate and you have to like literally Oh, sorry. >> It's all good.

Brian Atlas>> If you go to Genpop in prison, like you're basically part of a prison gang now. and like try like there's mass amounts of violence in and you look I'll

Brian Atlasbe fair uh yes it's men who are doing the violence right of course it's male it's male female segregated uh women in prison there's probably higher levels of

Brian Atlasviolence than like out in the real world but it's nowhere near as like how intense like the I don't know if you watch any of these like prison shows or whatever the prison politics for like men is [ __ ] insane Like you think

Brian Atlasit's racist on the outside. Trust me, it's like you can't sit with black people. You can't have you can't sit, you know, >> I actually worked at prisons. >> Okay. So, you know, you know them. >> So, the reason that I'm disagreeing with

Selenayou, I'm I'm not going to say I fully disagree, but I do think a lot of that is inflicted and has been inflicted by men. Okay. By the by the other men in

Brian Atlasthe prison system. >> Yes. Okay. So there's no way there's no getting around the fact that like prison for men is way worse and way more violent. >> But because it is inflicted upon men by

Selenamen, right? If we're looking at the women population, a lot of the women, >> they have to leave their kids. They have to leave their families. They are a lot of women are raped in prisons by male

Selenaguards and forced to carry their children, sexually harassed, sexually assaulted. They're also raped by women in prison. >> That happens. Um, I mean there's a lot. >> So if you want to site, oh the violence is so bad for men. Like

Selena>> it's worse for men. >> Okay. But that's because men are with other men who happen to be more violent. >> Coming to that conclusion is any productive though. >> I was just saying that we can't blame the victims in that situation.

Selena>> I know. But I'm not blaming the victims, but I'm saying that men are being violent towards other men. But then when women say, "Okay, well men are all like," So do you agree that you're

Selenasaying that the Okay, so you're saying that it is more violent in male prisons, correct? So do you think men are more violent than women?

Selena>> Uh yeah, sure. I'd probably grant it. >> Okay. So men are more violent than women. And then women are saying, "Okay, >> I just want to caveat it. A really small percentage of men." >> Okay. But in general, men tend to be

Brian Atlasmore violent than women and are and are able to. >> But I have to caveat it just by saying like most men are like completely harmless and would never hurt a woman or any, you know, >> but men are but men are more capable of being violent. >> Well, men have a greater physical

Selenastrength than women. >> Okay. So they're they're more capable of being violent and they're more violent. And so in this situation, you know, like we're saying, okay, women are saying, yeah, well, we are dealing with all this

Selenaviolence from men because men are more violent and we need feminism and we need to >> but you you wanted me to >> protect ourselves. So, so essentially

Selenajust essentially what I'm saying here is >> yeah, I think that is sad that men deal with that, but at the end of the day, >> it is inflicted upon by men. men are

Brian Atlasproponents of that and that >> but but hold on. If like if you go to prison, look, by the way, DUI are terrible, but if you go to prison for like a DUI manslaughter or whatever, like congratulations. You're now like if

Brian Atlasyou're black, you're part of a black prison gang. If you're white, you're part of a white prison gang. You're going to be doing all kinds of probably like crazy [ __ ] You're in gen pop. uh you're going to be like witness or even

Brian Atlasexperience like levels of violence that are like absolutely insane as compared to out in the streets. So, but that's kind of like a second like one of my points. What I was pointing to was you

Brian Atlaswere saying, well, okay, uh black people as compared to white people, they're overpoliced. Um the sentencing disparities exist. I was my central point as it relates to the criminal

Brian Atlasjustice systemic right is that men like women can commit certain crimes. They get more leeway when it comes to sentencing. It's true. You you can do analysis of sentencing. You compare

Brian Atlascertain crimes for certain crimes. You can do this with white and black. By the way, you compare a woman who commits a crime, compare a man who commits a crime, he gets a harsher sentence, less

Brian Atlaslikely get probation. Prosecutors go after uh men way way harsher. way way that's an example of systemic uh disadvantage that men experience.

Selena>> And honestly, I don't even necessarily disagree with that. I think the the biggest point that I want to make here is yes, you know what? I can agree that

Selenamen, you know, they're facing these violences, they're this, they're at the end of the day, >> contrarian. >> Oh, yeah. But at the end,

Selena>> but it's other men, right? >> But at the end of the day, that is a byproduct of the patriarchy that men have created and inflicted upon themselves, right? So, >> so what do we do about that?

Selena>> No, no, no. Can I can I can I finish my point, please? Can I just Can I please finish my point? >> Inflicted it upon them most. >> Okay. Can I just finish my point quickly?

Brian Atlas>> The 99% of men have no more say than 99% of women. You can't say, "Well, there's there's billions of men in this world, and they had no more say in the

Brian Atlassystems that exist than you or other women." We have no more say. Is my Does my vote count more than your vote? >> Okay. Can I Can I just finish my point?

Selena>> Does my vote count more than your vote? >> Can I please finish my point? >> Answer my question, then finish your point. >> I was just saying something and you interrupted me. >> Just to answer the It's a yes or no. >> Can I please finish my point? This like literally has nothing to do with my point.

Brian Atlas>> It's related, but okay. >> It's not. Um, so what is the patriarchy, right? >> Oh boy. >> It was framed in a >> Was that thunder? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Sorry, guys. There's just like a crazy thunder. Hell yeah. Rock and roll. >> Let's [ __ ] go. >> Scary. >> Okay, go ahead. >> Go ahead. >> Um, >> okay. Could we Wait, I'm sorry. We're

Brian Atlasgetting a little hot. Could we maybe turn the >> Yeah. Yeah, we'll open it. Uh, open. Go ahead. >> Thank you so much. Um, >> just one door, please. >> It's getting hard to think. >> The patriarchy wants to frame men as

Selenathese strong, better than women, more smarter, whatever, whatever you want to say. Okay. >> Mhm. >> And then women are more fragile and they are

Brian Atlas>> Can we get a lint roller on her mic? Her some of her fluff from her thing. >> Can we get a lint roller? Oh, she I think she Okay. >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> go ahead. Oh, can you scoot your mic to the like to the edge of the table? >> Like scoot it scoot your mic a little closer. No, scoot your mic closer. >> The edge.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, can But hold on. You asked me to give you Can Can I get through my list of things? Can I get through my list of things or Cuz you you asked me a question. I feel like I should respond.

Brian Atlas>> You're not even letting me finish my point. No, but you asked. I I need to get through all mine before you give your rebuttal. >> Let me just finish. Okay. >> Okay, then let me give me space then to uh finish. Go ahead.

Selena>> Um Okay. So, this was created by men and men inflicted it upon women. Okay. They

Selenawanted the traditional, oh, [snorts] you stay at home, you take care of the kids, we do this, we do that. And so when we are talking about this disparity and you're saying, "Oh, well these men

Selenaare oppressed and they" I can't help but not really feel bad because honestly you guys kind of inflicted it upon yourselves and then you're going to sit there and be like, "Okay, well yeah, now

Selenawe're forced to join a gang and we're forced to be violent and we're forced to do this and we're forced to do that." But in reality, men did that to themselves. They framed it that way. They wanted women to stay

Selenahome. They wanted women to be passive. They wanted women to do the domestic work and they go out and they get the money and they they're the ones that get to be violent and they're the ones that

Selenago to war. And so with that, I'm going to say like I feel bad, but I'm sorry. That's that's the way it was. It was a system created for men by men. And then

Brian Atlasif there are if there are some problems with that system, then I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, but again this is

Brian Atlaslike goes back to the like inherited guilt. Uh men are not a hive mind. Uh 99% of men 99.999% of men have no more

Brian Atlaspower than does a woman in this country. These systems uh pre-exist everybody who has lived. Um these systems were basically set up for the powerful for

Brian Atlasthe elite or rather by the powerful by the elite. Um I I mean in terms of societal structure, yeah, things aren't perfect. Although I'd push back like uh

Brian AtlasI think, you know, it's interesting to me at no other point in human history have women had more freedom, have had more rights, have had more privileges, have had more comfort, have had more

Brian Atlasaccess to education, have had all these benefits. And it also co correspondingly and coincidingly at no other point in human

Brian Atlashistory have women had more hatred more contempt for men. At no other point in

Brian Atlashuman history have women been less grateful for the bounty which is almost exclusively bestowed upon you

Brian Atlas>> by benevolent men. >> What are we talking about? Well, I'm saying that you say, "Well, women are oppressed. Women, by the way, I actually think it's maybe you disagree. Women

Brian Atlashave equal rights to men." First off, women have completely equal rights to men. If you disagree, perhaps we can get into that later. Um, women have more freedom. They have more choice. They

Brian Atlashave more privilege, more benefits, more comfort. And when I specifically on comfort, almost all the comforts that

Brian Atlasyou and I, I'll be fair and men enjoy is because of the genius and the labor of men. >> Oh goodness.

Brian Atlas>> It's it's look the ingenuity of men, the genius of men, the labor of men. It's okay. >> Whoa. >> She kicked the mic. Whatever. I didn't know >> all all the things that you take for granted. Everything you take for

Brian Atlasgranted. >> Oh my god. >> Everything you take for granted. I'm telling you, even in modern day, you

Brian Atlasmight say that men uh what did you say? Men men uh the the patriarchy that uh men built the system and [clears throat] then you add on to it for the benefit of

Brian Atlasmen. I reject the the for the benefit of the men. I agree with you that men built the system. Men built the entire infrastructure that allows all of us,

Brian Atlasincluding men, but especially including women, to have the most comfortable and prosperous and healthy lives, well, perhaps health could be somewhat

Brian Atlasdisputed in some regards that has ever existed in all of human history. And the complete ungratefulness of women. >> Oh my god, you >> I'm not being ridiculous. You women

Brian Atlashate. At no other point in human history have women had so much contempt and hatred and disdain for men when it is due to men's genius and ingenuity and

Brian Atlaslabor and physicality that has enabled women to live the most comfortable lives they've ever been able to live. >> And there's there's a bottleneck there's

Brian Atlasa bottleneck to every cascading invention due to men's increased phys. Look, I know this sounds crazy. Oh, it is. >> In order to live in a skyscraper, there

Brian Atlaswere there were cascading previous inventions that were necessitated on male strength. Strength that women don't possess that enabled us to build

Brian Atlasbuildings far into the sky for you to live in comfortable airond conditioned not just live but to have a job in a comfortable airond conditioned office.

Brian Atlasall of these comforts that it wasn't the evil patriarchy. It was benevolent men who were just honestly typically low uh maybe I don't want to say low class but

Brian Atlasit was typically often like poor men who labored and built this country and you you guys don't give a [ __ ] You don't

Brian Atlascare. It's through men's sacrifice, men's labor, men's men's genius, men's. >> So, can I can I just please stop? This is like really starting to make me uncomfortable.

Brian Atlas>> I don't see how Look, you've had a lot of time to dunk on men. I would at least like a moment to perhaps bolster men in this conversation. >> Okay. So, do you think men would have

Brian Atlasbeen able gratitude, complete lack of gratitude, we we have and by the way, the benevolent nature of men, the majority of >> Oh, you guys are so benevolent. >> We're absolutely benevolent. We're

Brian Atlasabsolutely benevolent. But I think it's a complete overlooking of the historical reality that through men's labor, yes, we have created all the comforts that you so

Brian Atlasuh ungratefully take for granted, I guess you could say. >> And I find it kind of disgusting. Like I find not I'm not saying you're disgusting, but I find this lack of appreciation completely.

Selena>> So do you have appreciation for the women that for women that birth men? Do you think men would even be here or exist if it was not women who birthed them? >> Yes. >> Do you think men would be able to build

Selenathose fancy skyscrapers you talk about if women didn't birth them and endure endure >> months of carrying a child and and and pushing them out into the world? Do you

SelenaOkay, I know. I understand that. But I'm saying if a if a woman didn't want to have a child, would we get those fancy skyscrapers? If women were not sacrificing their bodies to have children, will we get those fancy

Selenaskyscrapers? So, so I I just this whole argument of, oh, women should be grateful to do this. Uh, no. >> Yeah, but men are grateful for women. >> Not a lot. No. >> Well, I am.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. I'm glad that you personally are. >> The difference between me and you is is I if you were to call me a misogynist, I would reject the label. If I were to call you a misandress, you would smile and smirk.

Brian Atlas>> No, I don't hate all men. >> Hold on. You said all men like suck or whatever. >> I said most men suck. >> You would rightfully embrace the label of misandress. That's the difference between >> Did I ever embrace that? >> I think you're

Selena>> No, I think you're just trying to categorize me. >> Are you sure about that? >> Have I openly said I'm a misandress or did you place >> Are you a misandress? I mean,

Selena>> I just said I don't hate all men. >> Do you hate most men? Um, hate is a strong word. I don't hate anyone.

Selena>> So, you don't There's no men that you hate. >> I think hate is a very strong word. Do I dislike their behavior? >> Well, of course, bad behavior ought to

Selenabe disliked. But I do think you have a sort of general uh >> Yes, I do. But I I do I want to get back to this point here that you're talking

Selenaabout about like needing to be grateful, etc. It's it's funny because okay, sure men were out there building those skyscrapers, but who was at home, who was nurturing the kids, who was uh

Selenabirthing the children, who was carrying them, right? If if men did not have women taking care of the homes, doing all of that, men would not have been able to work. And

Selena>> and I can >> genuinely the population would not have >> grown at all. We wouldn't even have the labor force that we have today. So >> if we're saying great should should should

Brian Atlas>> women should be appreciated for that. Absolutely. It and you know they they it has an impact on their body. Um it's

Brian Atlasit's a it's going through pregnancy. It's not some easy smooth sailing thing. uh abs and women should be appreciated

Brian Atlasfor it. My issue though, my position is I have a sense among feminists that

Brian Atlasthere is a complete lack and disregard for all of the contributions of men. I can sit here and say women have absolutely contributed. you cited. It's interesting that you actually cite to

Brian Atlaschildbirth, but uh yes, I think men and at least me that's a wonderful contribution that women have made and will continue to make

Brian Atlas>> and I hold no like generalized resentment. I'll get you in just a second >> because you don't have a reason to hold resentment. Ah, so there you're saying that there's justification for um

Brian Atlasso what is the justification for like generalized resentment towards men? >> So do you know what an apex predator is? >> You're about to say some sexy [ __ ] but

Selenago ahead >> this argument. [snorts] >> No, I'm not. >> Okay, tell me. Tell me. Um, I would say that

Selena>> women's greatest danger >> is a man. And I think when it comes to violence inflicted upon them, I think when it comes to like having a domestic

Selenapartner who is a man, when it comes to sexual assault, sexual harassment, all of that, the greatest threat to women is

Selenamen, right? And so because of that, of course, there will be resentment there. >> Uh I I mean I I would like to see like a breakdown of statistics, but I would say >> sure you I'm sure you can find

Brian Atlasstatistics. Come on. >> I'm not denying that women are victimized by men. There's no denying. >> Come on. >> No, but hold on. You say like the number I would like probably point to like various health problems, illnesses, cancer, like dying of old age.

Selena>> Okay. Yeah. Certainly. Certainly. I'm But I'm not talking about I'm not talking about nature. I'm that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about predator in terms of >> nature the number one predator. >> Come on. You know what I'm saying? I I I

Brian Atlasbelieve that you're smart enough to understand the argument. >> So, okay. It's like but but even if it's the Yes, absolutely. Men do bad things to women. There's no disputing that. But to You're saying that men are apex

Brian Atlaspredators? That's like an incred That's incredibly sexist. There's no getting around that. >> Why is that sexist? >> If I Okay, here. Let's try this. Let's

Selenaare uh if if someone were to say um >> uh black people are apex predators, would you find that racist? >> Okay, hold on. [laughter] >> I'm going to explain this to you. I'm just going to explain it to you cuz

SPEAKER_07you're not getting it. >> No, no, I'm getting it. Here's what you're going to do. No, no. Wait, wait, wait. Can I >> A race does not make you more >> vi It does not make you more productive. >> Does not make you Oh, are we going to

Brian Atlasget into this argument? >> Hold on. So, here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna say, "Are we gonna talk?" So, >> no, no, hold on. This is what you're gonna do. And tell me, and look, you're gonna say, and I you you might even be able to cite to correct statistics. And

Brian AtlasI'm going to go ahead and grant that yes, men, at least as it relates to crime statistics, yes, men are over represented as compared to women. Men are convicted of more violent crimes than women are. Right? You're going to

Brian Atlassay that. And then you're going to say you as an individual and other individual women, they've all had or most of them have had bad experiences with men. And then you're going to say because >> Oh my god. Don't tell me what I'm going to say. You don't know what I'm going to

Brian Atlassay. >> This is your position. >> You don't know what I'm going to say. >> Hold on. But is it not your position? So you're going to say, "Well, because of these crime statistics

Brian Atlasand because I had bad experiences with men, I can basically be sexist towards men. Now, congratulations. Using your own

SPEAKER_05framework, using your own metric, you've enabled really racist white people to say, "Well, hold on." >> Oh, that has nothing to do with that.

Brian Atlas>> Yes, hold on. Let me finish. >> A white person can say, "You know what? >> I've had bad experiences with this racial group and hold on. crime

Selenastatistics seem to indicate that this racial group is over represented. >> I'm not talking about race. I'm talking about gender. >> No, it does. It's not an extension of that.

Brian Atlas>> It's absolutely coherent. Let me just finish. So, if a white person can point to crime statistics that would say this racial group commits more violent crime than my racial group, you've just opened the door to racism and justifying

Brian Atlasracism. >> Oh, wow. The difference between me and you is is that I would think for example even if these crime statistics are true and they

Brian Atlasare that you would not it would be racist to then map that on to all people or most people of that racial group. You cannot attribute uh a minority of a

Brian Atlasgroup who are who are you know doing bad things or really terrible crimes and for for anyone if they're committing these violent crimes. You cannot map that on

Brian Atlasto all members or most members of that group. That would be racism. It's something I'm against. However, with you where we differ, when I can point and say that would be wrong to do with women, it would be wrong to do with

Brian Atlasracial groups. You seem to make a justification that it is okay to do that as it relates to judging men as a group. You cannot. It's a essentially basically

Brian Atlasan apex fallacy. You can't okay a small proportion of the group does a bad thing. Sure. Absolutely. That you can't then say draw from that and say well

Brian Atlasthen all men are bad or most men are bad. That's sexist. >> Okay. CEO of not understanding my point.

Selena>> You just choosing to understand me. You are choosing to misunderstand. So, did you or did you not say men are apex predators? >> So, I'm actually going to explain right now. >> Say say it back to me. Are men apex predators >> to women?

Selena>> Yeah. >> Yes. >> That's a really sexist statement, but go ahead. Defend it. Defend it. >> What I was trying to say before you interrupted me with an example that does not correlate to anything I am trying to say. >> It parses, but okay.

Brian Atlas>> No, it doesn't. >> It parses, but okay. >> It It does not. And I'm about to explain why. >> Show Show of hands. Does it parse my what what I'm saying? Does it parse? Does it make sense to you? [snorts] I don't know. That's a lot of women who

Brian Atlasdisagree. I mean, she's >> what she's saying, too, though. >> But I I think that there just needs to be >> Oh, can I have you scoot your mic this way? >> Yes. >> Go ahead. Do you want to finish your point? I didn't even get to finish my list of all the ways in which men have

SPEAKER_00it bad. >> Oh my god. [sighs and gasps] >> Well, I [snorts] guess George wants to >> message from the government of Canada. >> Sorry for the delay. Hasty George donated $2004.

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Selena>> Oh yeah, women do all kinds of gooning. >> It's crazy, bro. Bruh, sorry, that was cringe. My bad. >> Do you want to finish your point? Go ahead. >> Okay. Do you have any other like strange

Essiecomments to show me? Uh, sure. I mean, why not? Uh, Essie, can you read this one? >> Chair one, how do you reconcile your feminism with Islam when the Quran

Essieitself allows for polygamy? Um, Anissa 43, an established man has as maintenance with

Selena>> authority over women. Ana one or 434. Sorry, I can't read that. Okay, so this is Oh my god. Okay, this is like a whole another topic, but what I I'm

Selenagonna I'm gonna address this quickly. What I'm gonna say on this point is that polygamy has been around for centuries.

SelenaAnd am I necessarily saying that now I agree with polygamy in this historical or in this time frame that we are currently in, I disagree with it. um at

Selenathe time that the Quran was revealed. Do I think that it may have been a necessity at the time? Sure. Especially where women's rights were. So that is

Selenamore nuanced than just, oh, polygamy. Your religion allows polygamy, therefore it is sexist. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Shall I respond to your question?

Brian Atlas>> I'm a little shell shocked. Okay. What are you shocked about? And I do want to try to bring in some of the other panelists here soon because I feel like it's been a >> Okay, then go ahead. >> Okay. Well, then really quickly, I'm going to respond to your thing. >> Okay. Wait, I'm not done with my point. But what I Okay, here I'll I'll say it

Selenaquickly. >> Oh my god. So, so what I'm going to say to this is when we are addressing the apex predator issue,

Selenamen when it comes to people, when it comes to non-natural causes, men harm women the most. And part of that is due to the fact that they are

Selenaadvantaged physically. Most men can physically overpower women. But he agreed with that. Mhm. Okay. I'm I'm not done with my point. Sorry. >> I didn't. >> So

Selenawhen you try to tie that fallacy, which most of your argument was about race and when you try to tie to race and make this and no no >> it's not it's >> the point that I'm making here is if we

Selenaare talking about race, one race is not arguably and much much much stronger to the degree that a man is can overpower a woman a woman. Okay. >> Yeah. That would just relate to

Selenacapacity. [clears throat] So >> that would just be about capacity. >> Okay. So what I'm saying here is that no the race thing makes absolutely no sense because if we have statistical proof and

Selenaevidence that most if women are harmed other by other than by nature it will come from a man. We cannot say oh yeah women have no reason to be afraid of men

Selenaor scared of men or assume that they are harmful because in nature if you have an apex predator of course you're going to assume the worst from them. A deer isn't going to go lay with its belly open to a

Erica (Married)tiger and not assume that it's going to harm it. >> I saw the Tik Tok. >> But every tiger eats deer. Not every man grapes women. So

Brian Atlas>> So I It's basically just harmful gender essentialism. So it implies that men or most men are violent. They are predatory. I completely reject this. There are some men who are violent, some

Brian Atlasmen who are violent. >> Yeah. And you don't know which man is and which man isn't. So therefore, you must. >> But imagine like a a racist saying, "You don't know which uh black person. You don't know." Like that would be racist. That's racist.

Brian Atlas>> You're sexist then. >> No. Oh my goodness. You go. No. No. I'm interrupting >> it. You're implying that being a predator is like a a natural inherent

Brian Atlastrait of men. And if these are negative, if there's a negative connotation there, I don't know how you get around it being like uh like that men are biologically destined to >> I'm not saying that they're biologically

Brian Atlasdestined. I'm not >> It's sexist because you're you're reducing men to like some single negative trait. >> Mhm. Okay. >> It also denies the diversity

Selena[clears throat] of male behavior. I am not saying that inherently. >> You called men apex predators. You are

Selenasaying inherently. >> Okay. Then sure. I think if we're going back in history, yes, there has been a lot and a lot and a lot of violence inflicted upon women at the hands of men. And

Selena>> there are a lot of men that are extremely violent and do have the capacity to do that. But am I going to say, "Oh, every single man is going to do that." No, I'm not. >> You're going to say the majority of men though, where I Which is where I still take issue.

Brian Atlas>> It's demonizes men. I think if you demonize men, you demon you demonize women, it's sexist. You demonize men, it's sexist. >> I feel like the apex predator conversation is such an over

Selinecomplication of a simple statement, which is like, oh, as a woman, you have to be careful which men you hang around. Like >> he could kill you. That's like obvious common sensical like >> I [clears throat] think that

Erica (Married)>> why is that the point? >> Yeah, I think that but I do think that being discriminatory towards men based on their sex, it's prejudice and it's harmful to society because you're promoting hatred. You're promoting the act of, you know, >> it's not productive.

Erica (Married)>> Yeah, it's not productive. >> Well, you're encouraging hate crimes against men because you're basically saying that, you know, you can't be sexist towards men because they're in a position of power. Well, but it is possible. There absolutely is ways to be sexist to men that are unprovoked.

Brian Atlas>> I think there's a way on an individual level to acknowledge like individualistic safety concerns and move through the world in a way that is going

Brian Atlasto like mitigate your potential uh risks. However, when you start like, did I just [ __ ] birdhand? [ __ ] Um I just did. Yikes. Clip it and ship it, boys.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> I think that the issue stems from uh if you then use it as like a cudel to like bash men or like to create a stigma.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. There's no reason >> then we're getting into this territory like I think it's fair to take precautions if you're like going on a date. I mean even our fathers >> you're going on a date like okay meet somewhere in meet somewhere in public or

Brian Atlaswhatever and like you know whatever you can take precautions and I don't think that that's necessarily in like >> I don't think that's like creating harm

Brian Atlasbut when you start propagating in society like hey wow men are bad men are evil like I think that that does a lot of harm to men and I actually think it harms women because >> it harms women a lot a lot

Brian Atlas>> like it's going to harm like Look, ultimately, if you basically teach women to like have this like sthing hatred or contempt for men, like that's going to be completely catastrophic. Catastrophic

Brian Atlasto your friendships, which I guess you're against men and women being f or men and women being friends. It's catastrophic to your friendships, catastrophic to your familial relationships, and catastrophic

Brian Atlasespecially to romantic relationships. Completely catastrophic. Um, I think we can take individualistic safety precautions and not like go ahead and map this on like bad things that have

Brian Atlashappened to you or other women and then just like map it on to an entire gender. Much in the same way that we would object to mapping on one's bad experiences with like a person of X group and not being like, hey, we're

Erica (Married)against saying like all people from this group are bad. And it's crazy we even have to have this conversation. I don't know. [ __ ] >> Yeah. I think it should be pretty easy for us to, you know, empathize with each other's suffering on both ends, >> but it it doesn't seem that simple at

Selinethe end of the day. >> You know, Brian actually asked a question earlier that I wanted to go back to a little bit. >> Um,

Seline>> it was what makes women talking about like men sucking different than when men talk about when women suck.

SelineBut I do think that the context will bring up an >> instead of empathizing and just like

Selinecontinuing the conversation from there, a man will be like, "Oh, but >> what about our suicide rates? What about," you know, like I think and that goes for women too. Like if you are

Selineusing your experiences and your trauma or whatever you've gone through as a way to put somebody else down, it's kind of pointless and really unproductive, >> right? >> I think it becomes an issue when it

Erica (Married)starts to target a specific group or demographic and not when it's just like an overgeneralized opinion about people in general. Like, oh, you know, sometimes people suck, but when it boils down to men suck. >> Yeah, I don't think it's productive.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh, spicy turisu. I don't know what is worse, the hot garbage spewing from chair 1's mouth or the fact that there are a handful of women on this panel nodding in agreement like maybe chair three, chair four also.

Brian AtlasYeah, I mean they're not saying it but they agree with that [ __ ] Um David [snorts] uh tieru man. David, women use makeup filters to childishly consolidate the top men they all want. Why do women

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