RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

Date: 2024-07-08

Duration: 8h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie Hansen >

AAmy (Amy Is Show)>

CChase Carson >

DDaria (DT176)>

MMorgan (DT176)>

HHannah (DT176)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS / donation reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chase Carson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jess(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amy (Amy Is Show)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Daria(guest)

SPEAKER_13Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_14Kylie Hansen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteJess announces she is enlisting in the U.S. Marines at age 30. Explains motivation: lack of education, bartending at 30 feels embarrassing, wants structure and self-improvement.

“my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military... I leave in January”

QuoteJess discloses that her partner of 8.5 years died in 2019. She spent ~5 years grieving and in therapy before recently entering a new talking stage.

“my longest relationship is 8 and a half years... he has passed away since then he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life”

OtherMason Gregoire introduces himself as "primarily a Christ follower" before listing his occupation as mechanical engineer. Panel reacts. He states he is pursuing Air Force Special Warfare and is training for it.

“yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm primarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer”

ControversyMason explains why men prefer younger women: biological clock concerns, less emotional baggage, more open to deprogramming. States he would not date a woman over 30-32 due to accumulated baggage.

“I don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have all of this extra life baggage... I want to have a large family”

ControversyAmy states she would "question the mental health" of men attracted to women 20+ years younger and uses the word "predatory." Brian challenges her, calling the statement pathologizing of all men. Extended confrontation.

“I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone... if a man is 20 years older... you're praying on them”

OtherRAGE QUIT: Amy leaves after Brian calls her "retarded" during the age-gap debate. Amy had called men who pursue much younger women mentally ill / predatory. She dropped a prop, Brian escalated. Amy states she will not tolerate disrespect and leaves despite Andrew and others asking her to stay. Brian offers to apologize if she sits back down; she does not return.

“could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me retarded yeah I mean here's the tone policing again”

ControversyDaria and Jess respond to Amy's rage quit, noting that Amy had called all men "mentally ill" and "disgusting" before getting offended at being called a single slur. Panel broadly agrees Amy's departure lacked consistency.

“did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting... she called all men mentally ill she called but you got called”

QuoteHannah describes kicking a 28-year-old man out of her manual transmission car for not knowing what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive stick shift because she does not want to be more masculine than a man.

“and he was like why do you have three pedals I was like get the fuck out of my car... 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is”

ControversyBrian produces a Wikipedia search showing "toxic femininity" redirects to "internalized misogyny" while toxic masculinity has a full article. Used as evidence of asymmetric treatment of gender topics.

“I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you try to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny”

QuoteAndrew Wilson apologizes for leaving the show early citing an engagement in the morning. Thanks Brian, Mason, and the panel. Leaves before the show wraps.

“Brian Brian sorry to cut you off I got to get going I got an engagement early in the morning”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status

Host Brian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara. Guests introduce themselves: Kylie Hansen (21, Denver, UCSB nanny/student), Amy (34, LA, podcast host + Army vet), Chase Carson (27, SB, hospital nutrition staff, bisexual), Daria (30, LA/Iran, tattoo artist), Jess (30, Bay Area, bartender/Marine enlistee), Morgan (29, East Bay, lash tech), Hannah (26, Maryland, web designer), Mason Gregoire (28, AZ, mechanical engineer/AF aspirant), Andrew Wilson (remote, debate host). Discussion of talking stages, exclusivity norms, relationship status, and body counts.

Talking Stage Norms and Exclusivity

Brian asks Kylie about her talking stage — does it bother her if the man she is dating sleeps with other women? Kylie initially says it would not bother her; panel pushes back. Jess and Chase argue against multi-partner talking stages. Mason shares his exclusive, marriage-focused talking stage. Hannah and others discuss initiation norms.

Body Count Discussion

Chase discloses body count of ~20-21 (thought she meant roster, not lifetime). Had 4-5 simultaneous casual partners. Jess criticizes the concept of a roster. Chase defends experimentation. Daria and others share perspectives on casual sex norms.

Toby Maguire Age-Gap Debate and Amy Rage Quit

Discussion of Toby Maguire (49) dating Lily (20). Amy calls large age-gap men mentally ill / predatory. Brian challenges her position on logical grounds. Andrew Wilson and Mason engage. Extended meta-debate on eye-rolling, respect, and tone-policing. Brian calls Amy "retarded" after she drops her prop. Amy rage-quits at ~2:22:40 despite offers to apologize.

Wage Gap and Equal Pay

Discussion of equal pay for equal work. Chase and Daria struggle to articulate positions. Mason lays out statistics: men work longer hours, take fewer sick days, take harder jobs, work graveyard shifts. General agreement that same-work same-pay is fair; wage gap attributable to occupational choice and hours. Morgan notes women in male-dominated trades can additionally monetize their rarity via TikTok.

Who Should Pay on the First Date

Brian asks each panelist who should pay on a first date. Kylie: whoever asks (acknowledges men initiate ~90% of the time). Chase: 50/50 (only been on 2 formal first dates despite 20+ sexual partners). Hannah: women should offer; if man accepts the offer he is socially inept. Morgan and Daria give various takes. Panel discussion of the asymmetry between initiating and paying.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks whether panelists would rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods. Most women choose bear. Andrew Wilson challenges the predictability argument. Hannah and Daria defend bear preference based on past negative experiences with men. Mason argues most men are harmless; bear has only two options (ignore or kill). Hannah challenged by Andrew on how to make fire without tools — she decedes she cannot.

Men's Masculinity and Peter Pan Syndrome

Hannah shares pre-show notes about men avoiding provider/protector roles causing women to become more masculine, creating a cycle. Brian and Andrew engage with the argument. Discussion of fake vs. real masculinity, controlling behavior, and absent fathers.

She Will Not Date a Man Who Cannot Drive Stick

Hannah reveals she kicked a man out of her 1995 manual transmission car when he did not know what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive a stick shift — "I don't want to be more masculine than a man." Andrew confirms his daily car is also a manual transmission.

Therapy Debate

Brian asks whether men's hesitance to go to therapy is toxic masculinity. Kylie says it is culturally imposed. Brian says he is skeptical of talk therapy except for specific issues. Andrew asks whether therapy actually cures anything. Kylie describes managing anxiety via therapy tools. Mason suggests alternative outlets (building things, physical activity). General discussion of therapy as green flag on dating apps.

Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity

Brian asks whether toxic masculinity exists. Most say yes. Brian then asks about toxic femininity — same answer. Wikipedia search shows toxic femininity redirects to internalized misogyny. Kylie explains patriarchy theory and standpoint feminism from her UCSB feminist theory coursework. Panel generally agrees toxic femininity is underreported.

Feminist Theory and the Draft Debate

Extended debate between Kylie, Brian, Mason, and Andrew on whether feminism is about equality or equity. Brian argues feminism fights equality when it would benefit men (cites NOW opposing Florida's 50/50 custody presumption). Draft question: Kylie agrees women should probably be drafted for equality but hedges on equity framing. Hannah clearly states women should be drafted. Mason argues men and women are intrinsically different so equality of outcome is impossible. Andrew leaves at ~7:53:47.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonunder a patriarchal system and they're doing it in order to score points with whoever's in charge of the patriarchy that would be considered internalized misogyny right that's one example of it but the internalized misogyny is just

Andrew Wilsonone aspect of patriarchy that's not the entire I didn't say that that was the entire aspect of patriarchy I said the specific example of women oppressing other women through the means of patriarchy in order to score points with

Andrew Wilsonthe patriarchy that's internalized misogyny right yes I would say by definition do you want to add in no so then my prediction was correct that's why I

Brian Atlaswanted to get it on record okay so I have a couple qu follow-up questions on this so I mean I you mentioned that women can often times be um say negative things about other women I think that's

Brian Atlasperhaps getting a little bit away from my questioning here though because we're talking about patriarchy I'm not totally sure how that ties in unless you have an explanation but okay yeah I do have an explanation okay I

Kylie Hansenhave some more questions for you afterwards but go ahead okay so as I've said before patriarchy isn't just men oppressing women it's the idea women can still hold patriarchal ideas even as

Kylie Hansenwomen Society fun functions under patriarchal ideals these things are taught to us since we're young they're taught to us in many different thing in many different forms they're taught to us in different behaviors school just

Dariadifferent societal Norms like you got be a mom you got to you got to talk in the mic if you're going to you got to like you know have you know domestic roles and like

Kylie Hansenyou're going to be I don't know things like that along that Lin those putting like assigning gender roles at a very young age like oh women are always expected to cook and clean women are expected to give CH to

Kylie Hansenchild bear like all of these things function under a system of patriarchy and when these behaviors are repeated over time and time again it sustains this idea like all of these different

Kylie Hansenactions and behaviors and institutions that these ideals are ingrained into that's what sustains the idea over time now wait you so you mentioned an objection to uh this view that women

Kylie Hansenshould be moms or have children isn't that just isn't there a biological basis though yes I think obviously yes I'm not denying that but I think that women should be given the choice of whether they want to be a mom or not nobody

Kylie Hansenshould be compelled to and I think that but a lot of times in society like as a as a girl it's assumed by a lot of people that I want to have children people don't say oh would you like to be

Kylie Hansena mom they assume that I am going to become a mom one day that is assumed that that's my natural role as I get old can you say the same thing for men I don't think so in the same way I think that it's definitely there it's

Kylie Hansendefinitely present like there is still that expectation but for take for example like two two stereotypes right you have like a woman in her 40s who doesn't have children versus a man in

Kylie Hansenhis 40s who doesn't have children when you think of the woman in her 40s you're like oh she's lonely she's a spinster she has no purpose like she doesn't have a family like she can't possibly have like that inner Joy within her life

Kylie Hansenthink of a man in his 40s oh he'll settle down at some point he's a bachelor he's just enjoying his life like all these things do you think there's a biological basis for this I think at some point just because of due

Andrew Wilsonto like the reproductive system yes but I do think that a large component is societal yeah well I think uh think that that's all [ __ ] so here's um here's a good example of why it's [ __ ] it

Andrew Wilsonignores it ignores ontology and you know you know what ontology is you were taught that in your feminist studies course right no I don't know what that is could you no you weren't taught ontology in your feminine

Andrew Wilsonstudy course they don't ever teach ontology so the study of being meaning that there is a there's a difference between men and women they're not interchangeable widgets as much as feminists would like to pretend that we

Andrew Wilsonare we each have a separate ontological nature our very nature in being is different this is why these stereotypes exist they exist Because the actual root

Andrew Wilsonin which is a man and what is a woman are totally different from one another right and so when you when you when you take these loaded terms like patriarchy

Andrew Wilsonwhat's ignored by feminists is nature the not nature as in the natural world but rather the nature of what the thing actually is men and women are not the same thing I never saw period And so

Andrew Wilsonbecause hang on because of that we have a different TS a different purpose and this is why when people think about purpose and they say oh the 40-year-old

Andrew WilsonSpencer this is not something which is socially pressured as much as it is a way for us to understand the nature of women is to make children this must be

Andrew Wilsonthe case because there's no other way they can be made and so of course we would see that women who defy their own nature are going to be more miserable than not anything which devolves away

Andrew Wilsonfrom its own purpose tends to not be very happy do you think that as a woman my only purpose is to have children I think it's your ultimate TS you think

Kylie Hansenthat the most fulfilling joyful experience I could ever have in my life is to have children as opposed to yes as opposed to anything else wait can I so let me ask so here hang on hang on let me finish real quick Brian I'll go after

Andrew Wilsonyou let me give you the straight answer I want to hear what you have to say yes and why why would I think that well because all of the evidence which I have and you have would indicate that that is

Andrew Wilsontrue a can men have children no no no who can women and the primary

Andrew Wilsonedict from an evolutionary standpoint is reproduction is it not well yeah of course nobody's denying that so then if the primary edict is reproduction and only women can have children then it

Andrew Wilsonseems that the nature and purpose for women ultimately is to be the ones who have children otherwise we go extinct right that that that wouldn't make a lot of

Andrew Wilsonsense so yes of course I would tie generally the purpose of the thing to the thing yeah okay are you you're finished right yeah okay yeah that is

Dariaall absolutely true there's nothing I can disagree about that but why why the need for like zero effort in wanting progress

Andrew Wilsonlike wanting more than that that is why what what can be more what I don't understand how you can deliver more progress to society than

Andrew Wilsonreplication for instance rocks and non-biological things cannot replicate you can actually replicate your genetics you can do that yeah that's a solely

Andrew Wilsonbiological beings only can do this yeah that's a miracle and that's what could ever be a higher purpose than that for a woman I would actually like to know what would be a higher purpose for a woman than replication I personally if I were

Dariato have a child right now I would not be like uh this is the end of it I'm the happiest I've ever ever been and this is the happiest I'm ever going to be this is amazing I know I know because purpose

Dariaisn't just like being a mom there's plenty of other things that fill me no I'm not then how the [ __ ] would you know cuz there's plenty of other things

Dariayou talking about I'm talking about the things that have given me purpose that have fulfilled me and kept me alive and

Dariahappy and not still wanting to have to be mom uh prematurely because that's my purpose let me ask you very direct or I'm never going to be able to let me

Andrew Wilsonjust ask you very directly what could you ever do in your life that would be more important than replicating your jeans me oh my God honestly if we're going to go into that territory then like

Dariathere's plenty of other things then there's helping helping other children that that don't have parents maybe I don't have to replicate my own genes to do that that comes from like a really

Dariaselfish so somebody else has been able to replicate their jeans but not no but you know like if if there's if there's five children that don't have uh parents they have nothing and then I'm over here

Dariawanting to replicate myself in that like selfish state of mind would I have the choice of doing it is it's a bit selfish because you can help this child that that is going to die I want to bring it

Andrew Wilsonwhy why can't you help the child and replicate cuz your resources are going to have get things back on track a little bit wa what wait I don't I don't even understand the argument it's off the rails so so you don't replicate because there's children out there who

Andrew Wilsonare in need yeah you don't have to replicate in order to have that feeling of motherhood somebody has to replicate talking about purpose wait somebody has to replicate

Andrew Wilsonfor those people replicating all over the [ __ ] world right now so somebody had to replicate right yes yes but that so if that's the you be fulfilling your ultimate purpose

Kylie Hansenwhich would be to take care of what is replicated on you're going to say where do I begin go ahead yes there's a lot of other things that I am excited to that I think are my purpose besides child birth

Kylie Hansenand personally speaking from the perspective as a woman you are not a biological woman there is a list of things that I am more excited to do than give birth to children at the moment I'm more excited wait a second are you saying that

Andrew Wilsonthere's a distinction between people who self-identify as women and biological women no I'm saying that you're not a biological woman well then I can have the same exact LIF experience you

Andrew Wilsondo do you identify as a woman it wouldn't matter would it all that matters is that I could have the same exact lived experience as you if you make no distinction between the self ID

Andrew Wilsonand the biological and if you don't and you said you don't then you can't say you're not a biological woman so therefore X can I please finish yeah but you can finish after you clarify how it is that

Andrew Wilsonyou can tell me what my lived experience is when you make no distinction between the biological and whatever my self ID may be you know what I am sorry for assuming your self ID that was wrong on my part so I can have the same exact

Andrew Wilsonlived experience as a biological woman right do you think you have the lived experience that's not my question what's my question I could have the same exact experience as a

Kylie Hansenbiological woman under your World viiew correct you're arguing that are you going to answer my question I am I am answering your question and I need you

Andrew Wilsonto stop interrupting me yeah okay so yes or no could I have the same experience as a biological woman without being a biological woman under your worldview

Andrew Wilsonyes or no if you would let me finish you would know that I have do you know how to say the word yes and do you know how to say the word no that way I know ex what your

Andrew Wilsonposition is don't offis skate don't [ __ ] me just say yes or no and if it's no then you can qualify and if it's yes you can qualify can I please

Kylie Hansenspeak I would like to speak my answer without being interrupted go ahead here is my perspective you are

Kylie Hansenarguing right that as a biological woman due to my hormones my purpose the greatest most fulfilling thing in my life is ex having

Andrew Wilsonchildren right and multiply I want you you're not answering my question I'm clarifying your point before I do you just asked me a question you just asked me a question you didn't answer my

Andrew Wilsonquestion so I'm going to ask you again under your world view can I have by self-identifying as a woman the same exact experience that you have as a

Kylie Hansenbiological woman or not I think it's more complex than that is it okay for you got to speak into the mic or I can't hear you I think it's personally more complex than that and I quite honestly don't have a yes or no answer and I

Andrew Wilsonthink it's more subjective on a case- toase basis right so you don't so you don't know so you don't even know if there's a distinction between someone who's a biological woman and someone who just self IDs how can you use the fact that you're a biological woman as an

Kylie Hansenargument then I personally I have tried to explain my point and I have tried to explain to you that I do not think that this is a yes or no

Kylie Hansenquestion I think that it is simply on a case- toase basis it's not black and white I think it's a little more complex than that and it's okay if you don't if that answer concept is too complex for

Andrew Wilsonmy feeble mind to comprehend that you can't say yes or no to a direct question now I'd like to demonstrate for you the distinction between the two of us you

Andrew Wilsoncan go ahead and ask me the same exact that question and I will say yes or I will say no and then give my qualifier cuz either one's true or it's not

Brian Atlastrue can I please continue you were done I that it was my turn to speak I have something else to say I have some questions too yeah I

Brian Atlascould ask a couple I throw a couple I could throw a couple questions out

Andrew Wilsonthere are you going to oh yeah yeah yeah I I thought Andrew had more you got more Andrew what you got I mean I do I would like I would like to actually go through this because I don't understand how you

Andrew Wilsonmake the argument you're not a biological woman therefore blank because by your worldview if I have if if I just self ided as being the thing and then

Andrew Wilsonclaimed I had the same experience that a biological woman has even if I claimed that it's the overly masculine experience that I'm used to you could have no argument against that unless you

Andrew Wilsonare making the distinction between a biological woman and a self ided woman are you making the distinction between the two Andrew what I was going to say is that I do not think this concept is

Kylie Hansentoo complex for you to understand that's not what I'm getting at here I think that this cont this this topic in

Kylie Hansenitself is so complex that I personally me speaking like truly do not have a yes or no answer I'm not saying that I don't have an answer for you I just don't have an answer I Solly don't well I can't

Andrew Wilsonwe're we're not going to get bogged so assume assume for a second let me just let me just let me just make sure I got this right and then sure I'll turn it over to Brian for for whatever he wants

Andrew WilsonI just want to make sure I got this right you are unsure whether or not based on just self ID I could or could not have the same experiences as a

Kylie Hansenbiological woman I just want to make sure that we got that on record it's not that I'm sure I think it's more dependent on a case- toase basis that's all I'm saying and I'm not saying that the con like that the topic is too

Kylie Hansencomplex for you to understand I think you fully understand it that's not what I'm getting at here I'm not trying to like invalidate your opinion I'm

Brian Atlasnot well we can't stay bogged down on this for uh for too long so I have a couple questions I'd like to ask so when Andrew was talking about you know this being perhaps the ultimate thing that a

Brian Atlaswoman could do in her life and you said well there I have plenty of thing I don't know specifically what you said you said there's plenty of things that I would ra I can be I forgot I can I can clarify for you I remember what I said I

Kylie Hansensaid there are plenty of things that I'm more looking forward to than child birth and reproducing and multiplying my own genes right now I can personally think of many are some of those okay I want to

Kylie Hansenlive abroad right now so I'm more forward at my current place in life right now I am more looking forward to living abroad going to grad school graduating from grad school meeting a

Kylie Hansenfuture partner doing all of these things and I have another question to pose if someone were unable to have

Kylie Hansenbiological children right would you still argue that her greatest purpose in life is to reproduce would you still argue that well I wasn't really making the argument but she's incapable of

Brian Atlasreproducing so if she can't reproduce she can't reproduce so she could go off and find something else but I guess my question to you is um one you could do

Brian Atlasall of those things and also have children but I guess what I often hear is when it comes to there are better things than having children it's typically in pursuit of a

Kylie Hansencareer I think that is a common argument I think that it honestly is subjective I myself personally have never had the desire to have children if I'm

Kylie Hansenbeing fully honest sure that's fine but I guess do you think saying that some women's purpose isn't to be moms I think that's totally fine I know some some people who enjoy motherhood it's the

Kylie Hansenthing that they're meant to do and I'm not trying to invalidate that I think that women should just so simply have the choice if that is what they want to do or not right I don't think yeah I don't think we're making the argument that they shouldn't have the choice I

Mason Gregoirethink what the argument we're trying to make it is probably the most selfless and most altruistic and most impactful thing they could do upon the world is

Kylie Hansenreproduce have children be a mother would you here's another counter thing say I didn't have children biologically I adopted yeah and I saved kids from

Kylie Hansenlike an instance where they're refugees they don't have the proper resources they don't have social Provisions given to them and I give them a life in a developed nation and I provide them all

Kylie Hansenthe loving care that a biological mother possibly could would you argue that that's still just as altruistic and selfless it would be no sure but somebody else had to do the replicating

Andrew Wilsonso the thing is somebody still had to replicate and fulfill their highest purpose in order for you to then fulfill your highest purp yes I'm not denying that a woman has to Bear

Brian Atlaschildren but okay anyways wait so okay look I I'll just kind of get to the point here so do you think working for some

Brian Atlasnameless Corporation and being a worker drone is generally more fulfilling than having children I think that for some women if they find a career that they are extremely passionate about yes it

Kylie Hansencould is that purpos most women have careers they're passionate about I think that I wish they did I think it's really hard to find something that you're that passionate about and be able to turn it into a living I would argue that that's

Kylie Hansennot my purpose in life I don't think that is a lot of people's purpose in life life um but like how you said earlier like what do you want to do for work what do I want to do for work I

Kylie Hansenwant to be a lawyer a lawyer okay what kind of law I want to go into employment law and I want to deal with um like workers comp cases okay and do you think that you

Brian Atlasknow when you're on your deathbed and you're looking back do you think that you'll think you know in comparison if you had children do you think you'd be more fond memories of having children

Brian Atlasaround you or when you're in your old age if you have children grandchildren do you think that would be kind of more uh desirable than like looking back on the fond memories of that employment

Kylie Hansenlawsuit that you just scorched you killed it well it was for a better obviously not but I think it's a little I think it's a very broad

Kylie Hansenassumption to assume that I won't be surrounded with children in a different sense like my little brother wants to have children I'm looking forward to be an aunt I love kids I do I work as a nanny I work with a three-year-old and an 8-year-old right now I want to

Kylie Hansenvolunteer as a teacher abroad for a few years it's not that I don't love children I think that they're amazing I love being able to see things through the perspective of someone who's seeing it with fresh eyes I think it's such an amazing thing I'm not denying that and I

Kylie Hansenwould love to like be an aunt I would love to volunteer with children in the future I personally just don't think being a mother is for me person all right so so hold on hold on so okay I

Brian Atlasthink one of the criticisms of feminism is I don't think most people actually have any objections to look if a given women you know they don't want to have children or they'd rather pursue a

Brian Atlascareer over starting a family I don't think anyone really cares I think one of the criticisms of feminism is its actual attack on women who do choose to have

Kylie Hansenfamilies and who want to for example go have kids be a mom be a stay-at-home mom they think that that's some sort of form of Oppression oh I don't think it is I

Kylie Hansenthink it's solely and I've said this term so many times I think it's a case toase basis well sure anyways I do I'm going to move it on a little bit here well just one last question if you don't mind on the topic of

Andrew Wilsonaltruism uh let me ask you a question because you brought up the idea of altruism would you agree with me that highly educated and intelligent women

Andrew Wilsontend to actually procreate less than people who are in poor social economic conditions and have less intelligence that's a rough line I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow now it's not rough I mean poor people poor people reproduce more than rich people do generally speaking and um especially upper class

Andrew Wilsonpeople that is just the case that could be related to uh resources and um yeah I'm I'm not disputing any of that it could be

Dariarelated to all sorts of things but it is like education levels and like like opportunity to find other things that you find generally the more educated a person is the less they

Kylie Hansenprocreate this is the truth now go ahead the reason I asked this question well I'm sorry he was moving it along I didn't mean to cut you off go ahead it's okay I understand and I it's

Andrew Wilsonokay um oh yeah so I agree there okay well my bad I'm not one of us has to go so you go it's hard over Zoom I understand but I don't mean to cut you off either um I think there is a correlation between education and higher

Kylie Hansenlevels of employment that being said it's also because these people with higher education have better Insurance better Access to Health Care More access to birth control I think that also is a factor in it and they have less children

Andrew Wilsonyes I do think they have less children are it's here's the thing wouldn't so so then so then what you're doing right if you're truly altruistic wouldn't you want the children of the future to be the smartest and if you wanted them to

Kylie Hansenbe the smartest shouldn't you be reproducing more than the dumbest people I don't think it's an I mean I think it's more resources than genetics personally I am not I'm going to be honest I'm not personally well versed in

Kylie Hansenthis subject so take whatever I'm saying with a grain of salt right now I'm not acting like I know everything on this subject I think that if a CH if a child was to have the proper education proper

Andrew Wilsonenvironment to develop a good childhood versus impeccable genetics I think that that would pay a bigger role I'm not even talking about genetics I'm just saying that if if it were even so that it's

Andrew Wilsonresources based and and it must be because nourishment for instance correlates with IQ if you're if you're young and you're malnourished your brain is you know it it it becomes deformed

Andrew Wilsonliterally uh it doesn't grow to its potential so this is a this is a massive problem but to hone in here if you have the best and brightest women who are out there in the workforce instead of

Andrew Wilsonprocreating regardless of if it's due to resources or genetics the future gener are going to be dumber than the previous generations right I mean I would I would

Kylie Hansenlike to say hang on hang on let her answer okay I would argue that there's different ways in order to impact a child's upbringing than just being their mother and I don't think too that that's

Andrew Wilsonnot an answer to my question it really isn't that's a total evasion of my question if the people who have the resources are the best and the brightest and the smartest women if we're wasting them in the workforce

Kylie Hanseninstead of them reproducing how are we not going to end up with Dum generations of children I do see your point a little bit here I think you do have a valid argument and I will say like I respect

Kylie Hansenyour argument my thing is that on average it's not I think it's that's not what we're seeing is happening here I think that on average

Kylie Hansenmore educated women with higher salaries do tend to have less children on average right that do so the future of our our so future Generations are going to be smarter or less smart I think it more so

Kylie Hansendepends on the resources that you have accessible to you it depends on the school district that you're living and I think it depends on I guess what and just trying to get to is like if if if

Mason Gregoirethose women who are smart educated have the most resources therefore they should be having the most children because they have the most resources education to

Andrew Wilsontrain them up and become and create bright a bright future for us all yeah why would I want to waste the best and the brightest of the only people who can replicate their genetics going and

Andrew Wilsonworking for a boss in some [ __ ] cubicle when they could be reproducing the next generation of women who can reproduced the best and the brightest and the best etc etc like that seems absurd to me but

Dariadon't you see a lot of cases where like there are families that are in that position and can but don't right but those people that do their children are

Dariaworse than the children that that like that doesn't necessarily have to do with uh swear to God has nothing to do it has

Darianothing to do it has nothing to do with that cuz those those people can have children and they want bring it toar how you want to be because they're bad parents that's great thank you for that

Dariathey could be a to watch the movie Idiocracy you'll understand everything all right it's not that hard to understand it's hard to understand if you've never been in a situation or a different country I grew up in a country

Brian Atlaswhere cool yep heard yeah good good good good uh okay let's bring it back to patriarchy uh we kind of derailed there a little bit but it was it was it was good so I guess some quick questions

Kylie Hansenhere do we currently live in the patriarchy I would say patriarchy is not a physical place so in that sense no but yes we do live under a patriarchal

Kylie Hansensociety yes okay and under patriarchy are women oppressed I would say yes okay under patriarchy are men oppressors not always I think that sometimes yes but also like I was

Kylie Hansenexplaining earlier women can also be oppressors okay so but you did say that women are oppressed under patriarchy yeah but I also think that sometimes too men can be oppressed by toxic like ideals of toxic masculinity as well okay

Kylie Hansenuh so are you oppressed I would say relative to other populations no I'm a white Cy woman I have experienced different forms of sexism patriarchal

Kylie HansenNorms that have affected me and had like like that have classified as a form of Oppression would I say that I would the category I would put myself into is

Kylie Hansenoppressed it's hard for me to say I think that as a woman I experien forms of Oppression that the average man

Kylie Hansenwouldn't H such as such as can I use in just a um two letters sure sa DV those occur to women at much much higher rates

Brian Atlasthey can still occur to men but those are issues that it's not clear to me wouldn't that be something that occurs on the individual level how would it be evidence of Oppression cuz typically you're thinking of like a system would

Brian Atlasbe oppressing you or a government would be oppressing you or the patriarchy would be oppressing you but it's not clear to me so you said DV and you said

Brian Atlass uh I don't see how that necessarily evidence of Oppression okay I can explain my logic behind it if you are you saying that there's a culture

Kylie Hansenthere's a uh sa culture yes there is I would argue that patriarchy and this system of ideas I would argue personally that the way

Kylie Hansenthat it sustains things like DV and sa is because it teaches men that they are the ones in power right and when they don't feel ower sometimes there are instances where they need to feel

Brian Atlascontrol and need to feel Empower and those things will happen all men what what percentage of men what percentage of men though I don't know the exact percentage off the top of my head but well you're kind of D I mean isn't this

Brian Atlasjust sexist on its face because you're essentially just path pathologizing all men no I'm not not all men you're saying all men you're saying these men are inclined to to violence and saay I'm

Kylie Hansensaying that's pathologizing men I'm saying that the Notions of patriarchy lead to two men committing sa and DV at higher rates than

Brian Atlaswomen so you say we have a so you say we have a culture we have an I mean I can't use the word but we have a essay culture M our word culture I've heard this term

Brian Atlasright but like if you look at uh prison populations for example you can be in there for for murder for example and be just fine if you're in there among the other inmates and you've been accused of

Brian Atlassome sort of uh sex crime you're going to be targeted by criminals for for reprisal for attack for violence

Brian AtlasEtc so even among criminals men who commit sex crimes are they have to be put in protective custody so even how how can you say that

Brian Atlaswe live in a culture where this is deemed as okay when actually it's I think I think a lot of men would

Kylie Hansenactually be prefer prefer to be accused of murder than to be accused of sa M what I would argue with that is that we don't live in a culture where it's okay

Kylie Hansenwe live in a culture where it's often swept under the rug and it's allowed in very nuanced ways I would argue that yes I I agree with your point that like most men would rather be convicted of murder

Kylie Hansenthan that yes but that also you have to realize is that's been a more recent shift within our culture kind of as recent as feminism has been I was going to say more so recently with

Kylie Hansenthe me too movement recently shown or talked about recently we've seen sa and DV cases been taken much more seriously

Kylie Hansenin recent years so I would argue that treating pis like the the prison example that you presented might be a result of that I'm not exactly sure to be honest I think it's okay for me to admit that I I

Brian Atlasdon't have this all figured out let so let's bring it to DV so you mentioned that women suffer higher rates of DV yes but andrean perhaps you have the stats on this I've heard you make this argument I'm familiar with this these

Brian Atlasstatistics is that I believe when it comes to where the domestic violence is one directional mhm I believe this is the case when it's one directional they actually found that women victimized men

Kylie Hansenmore than men victimized women when you're using the term victimization what does that refer to specifically they were refers to unwarranted assaults unwarranted

Kylie Hansentouching and unwarranted non-consenting uh engagements do you think that's because women have been told that it's not okay for them to come forward at all

Kylie Hansendo you think it's because no no this is against men violence against men perpetrated by women yes what I'm saying not just violence but also sa all right so the rates of the r well so that you

Andrew Wilsonunderstand I can explain the position real quick so the rates of sa against men are generally much higher than it is against women it just depends on how we are going to utilize these metrics women seem to engage in unwanted touching of

Andrew Wilsonmen far more often than men do of women it's just that men seem to not care as much which is interesting they just seem to not care as much however women seem

Andrew Wilsonto care a lot more they seem to care a lot more about it however it's still unwanted right it's just that nobody cares that men didn't want The Unwanted touching they just don't care I don't think it comes down to them not so I

Andrew Wilsonactually have the statistics here on this so I can give you an easy logical example if you don't believe me if you have ever seen in public for instance a man walk over to a woman and maybe just

Andrew Wilsonput his hand on her back and rub her back a little bit that's unwanted touching okay it's taken seriously people really will hone in on it however

Dariaif the role is reversed and a woman does that to a man nobody gives a [ __ ] I'm I person I personally don't believe that but it's it's I think the cause of that

Dariaproblem problem being this big is because of lack of communication what I would try and try and like really think a little deeper into it because it's not being commun little deeper I'll give you

Andrew Wilsonan example it's not being communicated if you go out on the street tomorrow and I'll bet what say well I can't I can't bet cuz it's YouTube but I would give you if I was wrong about this $500 if

Andrew Wilsonyou were to take Brian and take you out to the street tomorrow sure and Brian walked over to 50 different women walked over to them randomly and just patted them on the back and started rubbing it

Andrew Wilsonand then you went over to to 50 random men patted them on the back and started rubbing their back which do you think would have a more negative response I mean it's obvious

Dariabut wait wait it's obvious it's obvious of course it's going to be yes the wom you're right I agree with what you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying I think the the I'm trying to aren both of those essay I'm sorry yes yes it is then no why so how come nobody gives a [ __ ] about men

Dariahow nobody gives a [ __ ] about women they don't give [ __ ] about it because it's not communicated that that is a problem to men they're they're they hide that

Mason Gregoirefact and make it seem like I don't know I don't even know why people do that is communicated so is it not a problem if women don't communicated so is the

Dariacommunication the issue or is the sa the issue to me a lot of it does have to do the communication of that like you need to be clear about your boundaries and

Brian Atlasnobody talk to I'm I'm confused we're talking about total strangers here so hold on Nick pull up the uh the infographic okay uh you're going to have

Brian Atlasto move the chat but uh so you have here so there's reciprocal interpartner violence and non-reciprocal interpartner violence so reciprocal they're both [ __ ] beating on each other

Brian Atlasnon-reciprocal that's where one's beating on the other the other is not reciprocating they actually found in non-reciprocal uh interpartner violence that women are much more likely to be

Andrew Wilsonthe the the sole aggressor when it comes to uh domestic violence but let me um let me quickly point out um just to kind of wrap this up that what you just got

Andrew Wilsondone saying would be a thing that you would rage against which is well wait a second you kept it to yourself and you didn't speak up you must have wanted it

Andrew Wilsonhow would that sound the other direction if if if a man said to you oh he didn't speak up you didn't say anything you must have wanted it yeah they do that actually does happen that's the whole

Dariapoint it right yeah but the the difference is also like when we do try to communicate it it's not taken seriously nor is it it's those things

Dariaget really because I thought the argument we were just having that now taken far more seriously yeah I'm pretty sure we voice it a little at least a little bit more than men that we don't

Andrew Wilsonlike certain things it's men's fault that if womena them and they don't speak up it's them but if the roles are reversed and women don't speak up they're a victim no no no it's it's a

Brian Atlasequal it's a equal okay I got I'm sorry I'm going to bring it back to her so okay uh so we were talking about oppression um aside from the two examples that you provided which it's

Brian Atlasnot clear to me immediately that that's evidence of Oppression uh is there anything else of Oppression for me well you said how you've been oppressed yeah how I've been oppressed cuz you said women are

Kylie Hansenoppressed and asked how you're oppressed I I know that you don't view that as an oppression as a form of Oppression I would argue that personally those are because they are systemic I know how are

Kylie Hansenthey systemic I've explained this a couple times but it's just the idea that these are so is the government sending out like things can be systemic without being related to the government there are systemic processes that are occur

Kylie Hansenthere are processes that replicate themselves over and over again that have nothing to do with the government so I just showed you I just showed you data that indicates that when it comes to non

Kylie Hansendata was was from from CD but it was it was from a while ago and it and domestic violence rates have actually decreased since then I would like to see another source if I'm being honest before we go

Brian Atlassolely based off of one I feel like all well all violent crimes have decreased all not just domestic but so it's not like so are you saying that women are s

Brian Atlasthere's a systemic thing against men when it comes to non-reciprocal interpartner violence could you repeat the question well I mean using the infographic that I showed which was a

Brian AtlasCDC study uh it showed that when it came to non-reciprocal interpartner violence that men were the victims in 70% of CAS cases which would indicate that in that context women are much more likely to be

Kylie Hansenthe aggressor I think that when you're looking at data like that you have to realize that women have been told not to come forward with these things the majority of no it's I you can make that

Mason Gregoirethat same argument that data is relying off of solely reported cases it doesn't wait hold up arent do you really think wait hold up do you really think

Mason Gregoiremen are more likely to come forward with essay cases I'm saying that women much less likely so this it's probably the statistics are probably worse

Brian Atlasthan I'm just talking about women solely right now I'm not arguing that right but if we're doing a comparison here you could actually just make the argument that there's actually a like the man will look like a [ __ ] if he goes to the

Andrew Wilsonpolice and is like my girl hit me my girl slapped me that's a bad way to that's a bad way to put it that's the reason it's honest it's reality I I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that women report most essay is also self-reported from women yeah okay if we're talking about the

DariaD DV part of the conversation like I can I can say that I know a lot of women personally unfortunately that have been

Dariamore violent towards men and I never condoned it like that's not okay obviously but on the other side of the argument we were asking her like in what

Dariaareas does that like come out where we're oppressed in in that sense like it's one example I personally can go to

Dariastraight up is like career-wise in any career if you want to let's say even in music right uh you Taylor Swift no no

Darialisten listen if you were to if you as a man you get in the industry okay whatever okay you can make sense of it whenever you want okay but I mean you're talking about music but okay go ahead

Dariayeah it's in the music industry like if I were to wom are women are not succeeding just listen in the music industry just listen my love look I will it will take a longer time for me to

Dariawant to to get to a successful part in my career because I have to deal with and I have with people like that I have to work with producers and things like

Brian Atlasthat that will only present an opportunity to me if there were something extra involved you're talking about the casting couch would that helpful wouldn't I mean I'm not saying it's

Brian Atlasright but wouldn't that actually get you in rooms hold on let me finish get me in rooms where I have to do something I don't want to do but say you don't even have to do anything you can just be a young beautiful attractive women and you

Brian Atlascan maneuver stop interrupting you can actually for me to like be able to get in a room with somebody who's really high status I have to be a somebody as a

Brian Atlaswoman you can be in a room with a [ __ ] uh some major I have those situations who who's the most famous you been with like been in a room

Dariawith Rick ruin but he hasn't personally tried to he hasn't personally tried to do anything to me but I'm talking had that opportunity just because what if he said if I did something for him type of

Dariathing or what what is your point that's not what I'm saying what did you have to do get in that room because I'm I to do anything to get in that room if I were to want to get my career taken seriously

Mason Gregoireand not just the oh this is a play be talented so do the guys ex we can't just walk into a room with somebody we have to work extremely hard when you do you

Dariadon't have to also we have to do the hard work and potentially go through all those you can deny or not I'm tell we have to do the hard work and then we can get an audience and then we have to

Mason Gregoirereprove ourselves [ __ ] but no no it's it's not because unless you've been in that no I can't I can't just go to I can't just go to Miami find the most most successful guy there jump on his

Mason Gregoireyacht just because I'm an attractive Dude any any really attractive woman can walk down to a port show herself off to really successful men and just jump on their yacht yeah that's how you don't

Dariaget taken seriously though you have to have all these little loopholes to get there and then you still might not be hold on first off the entertainment business is incred croat idea

Brian Atlasthat you think anybody gives a [ __ ] whether you're a man or a woman people want to make money Point Blank period if you're [ __ ] talented all right if you're talented it has nothing to do with it and in fact as a woman you can

Brian Atlasleverage your beauty to potentially translate into you know some sort of opportunities and then in addition to that you're saying oh women oppressed Taylor Swift is like the highest earning

Dariathat is the best example you can give but this idea that women can't Prett much any somea real life experiences like more more than dozens what are you even

Kylie Hansentalking about I don't know what okay I want I got to bring it back I got to bring it back go ahead okay I just want to ask I think the instance that you provided of like okay a woman can go and capitalize on her beauty yeah that can totally

Kylie Hansenhappen right can only take you so far I have I have like a sub question with that and I want to hear like your honest opinion what percentage of women do you think are beautiful enough to get that

Mason Gregoireprivilege is it the majority of women or is it the minority M chicks are get yeah but but that person I'm just genuinely curious there's no WR seriously yeah no I think uh I don't know if I ever would

Mason Gregoiregive a percentage of it probably like like 40% of women probably do it could reach that like level of like like use their beauty to stick their foot in the door to be able to get opportunities

Dariayeah I definitely think so movie version of like you think it is because that's not what really okay hold up hold up how do you think only fans is blown up

Mason Gregoirethat's whole women who are can be 40% of the PO like 40% of the highest I guess attractiveness of women can jump on a random website and make hundreds of

Dariathousands of dollars Beauty gets you a whole lot in this in this culture and only fans sure think that have to do with just your image any ENT and taken seriously and like oh you're

Dariatalented and then not go through a group of people that pretend like they're going to like facilitate your career or whatever and not try to abuse their

Andrew Wilsonpower no Beauty gets you a whole lot and pretty much any any industry but not to that extent all right I'm going to have to if we were to assume for a second

Andrew Wilsonthat it was only 5% only 5% that you could agree at least that 5% of women could possibly go that route with beauty right maybe not as high as

Daria40% maybe five I don't know maybe possibly but still not without zero not without zero Encounters of the type that I got to

Andrew Wilsonmove it on I do have to move it on um do you want to make your final Point Andrew or I mean it's this mean I was just going to Grant it and say well even if it even if it was an abysmally low

Andrew Wilsonnumber who could Leverage Beauty for gain um let's say 5% 3% even 2% it wouldn't matter that wouldn't mean that women who rated themselves as a 10 and

Andrew Wilsonhad a high esteem of their beauty might not still follow that route thinking that they would be part of a percentile that they actually [Music]

Dariaweren't okay great but that still doesn't at all like make me believe that you at least try to understand that this is a very real andoss thing and version

Dariaof Oppression that we're talking about so okay women are oppressed in the music industry I'm sure if that's what you want to [ __ ] chalk it down to that's all it is not all it is that's just that's a personal that's something that

DariaI can really speak on without having to research it and like look at statistics this is something from that I've experienced myself women are just oppressed in the all women not every

Dariawoman around the [ __ ] world and not every woman in the music industry and in a lot of of work wait so wait you're a musician right you're a musician I also yes do music okay and so you think you haven't

Dariabeen able to make it in the music industry because you're a woman no no so that I've had to go through

Dariabeing potentially in really uh unpleasant situations in order to get yeah there's yeah there's producers that want hit yeah and they're going to yeah

Dariaget what about photographers as a model they all it's not not this isn't it's yeah not just like oh I'm I'm goodlook and I just aing cake you know Hollywood

Brian Atlashas a terrible reputation casting cou that's the only representative I can give because that's what I know okay cool so I I move the I do have to move

Kylie Hansenit on back to you name one right a man has that you do not one right mhm okay so I think there's a difference in okay here's my view of feminism right cuz I

Kylie Hansenthink that what you're referring to is like suffrage I think that women and men do have equal rights I still think that you can have equal rights but due to systemic factors experience different

Kylie Hansenforms of discrimination right mhm so I would argue that women and men have all the same rights but there are added forms of discrimination that you face as a woman that you wouldn't face as a such as such as getting cat called getting

Kylie Hansenpaid less and I know we were talking about the gender pay Gap earlier but on average like statistically speaking women with the same amount of experience same amount of Education when all those factors are leveled out women are it's less than 1% women are still paid less

Brian Atlasthough they are in that size they they've if you actually control for everything there is a small discrepancy it's less than 1% yeah well that's not the sources that I have seen I would

Brian Atlaslike to look there's a pay scale Nick there should be a SC it's not really um hold

Brian Atlason uh where where is it Nick just do uh Google pay scale uh it's a website pay scale uh

Brian Atlaswage Gap 2024 gender pay Gap report pay scale trying to find and what do you say about for example that uh Asian women

Kylie Hansenout earn white men what do you think about that Asian women out earn white men can I see the statistics on that before I speak on it uh I can pull it up Nick there's a infographic wage folder

Brian Atlasand there's a couple things on Asian women so Asian women are out earning white men is this uh perhaps evidence of sexism or even racism against white men

Kylie Hansenoh can I see the statistics before I speak on this why don't you just assume that it's correct I don't want to I don't want to right now can you say that one more time

Brian Atlasokay so the bureau this is the source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics okay I could pull up the specific

Brian Atlasinfographic that would show this but Asian women are out earning white men okay is that like in a specific job or is that just in general cross full-time workers full-time workers so is this

Kylie Hansenleveled out for things like years of experience in education or is this just on average population wise just on average population wise uh Asian women versus white men well I feel like I

Kylie Hansenwould need a more detailed study in act in order to give an accurate take on this but I'll provide two factors why I think this could be one there is a stereotype that Asian women are more

Kylie Hanseneducated there is a great pressure on them to be educated I think that there's two factors that could explain this and it could just be that they have more years of experience or greater levels of

Kylie HansenEducation like more advanced degrees since we don't have a study that accounts for those variabl I don't think I could accurately speak on this well you don't know if we have a study that accounts for those blue and a red I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying I haven't seen it thing that you can it could it could very well have taken bias as a variable I mean bias is is included in sociological studies like this all the time as being a variable in fact that's why we end up with name

Andrew Wilsonstudies and things like this my kind of push back on that would be to ask uh as a counter um if you were to say well this could be due to the

Andrew Wilsonfact that there's bias due to a stereotype and because employers believe that Asian women are more educated they tend to hire them at the same rate that they do men this is your kind of essential argument right you could also

Kylie Hansenjust oh go ahead no it's okay I didn't mean to cut you off you can finish is that your essential argument I am not arguing that there's a stereotype I'm arguing that I have not

Andrew Wilsonseen the results of this study I've not read it in depth I don't okay let me rephrase not argument but when you give a it could be due to this variable the variable that you're saying it could be

Andrew Wilsondue to would be the fact that a stereotype provides Asian women with an advantage other women don't have because then during hiring practices because that stereotype exists there's they're going to pay them the same as men

Kylie Hansenbecause they believe that they're just as educated or something like this right I'm not arguing that it's let's bring it pull the thing scroll up make a bigger place years of experience and on average

Brian Atlashigher levels of Education yeah all right so this is the gender pay Gap in 2024 uh this is pay scale this is actually I believe a liberal leaning company so okay this is not like they're not trying to Gaslight you here the

Brian Atlasuncontrolled gender pay Gap this is opportunity pay Gap measures median salary for all men and all women doesn't factor in your job how many hours worked Etc so 83 cents for every $1 earned by

Brian Atlasmen control gender pay Gap this measures Medi salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications women earn 99 Cents for every $1 earned by

Brian Atlasmen so that that is the controlled pay Gap okay do you do do you think this is dubious do you think it's wrong it's actually more I would say that Source no

Kylie HansenI don't think that is wrong I would like to see multiple I feel like with any field you should be looking at different sources of data but I'm not going to try and argue with that one source now okay so you also really quick on the wage Gap

Kylie Hansenstuff uh sports do you think for example uh WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players I think it should be going off of things such as number of attendance number of views years of

Kylie Hansenexperience do I think that wa members should be getting more respect yeah I think they should I think they work hard and I think that they do deserve more respect but that's not necessarily about compensation if that makes sense and

Brian Atlasthen so you're kind of listing off the ways in which I asked you about rights you said men women have equal rights but women are discriminated in various ways in which men are not so what are some of

Kylie Hansenthe other ways they're discriminated against I would say in the forms of like unpaid labor the way that they're discriminated against in the medical field like women are believed on average to have higher pain tolerances they are

Kylie Hansennot taken as seriously by doctors so a lot of medical conditions will go undiagnosed at a greater rate of women than men and because of this women don't

Kylie Hansenon average women don't receive say medical care as men those are just a few don't women receive more Medical Care than men they don't it's the quality that I'm arguing the quality so she a woman a woman steps into a doctor's

Brian Atlasoffice a man steps into the doctor's office there will be a the medical care will be worse for the woman by virtue of her being a woman I would argue that her concerns would not be taken as

Hannahseriously as a man and it would on average take her longer to receive a proper diagnosis I believe women go to the doctors more often than than men do you

Hannahthink maybe that's why I agree with that no I think that could definitely be a point yeah most men I've are you are you familiar with trait neuroticism no I'm

Brian Atlasnot okay do so well if you're not um do you think men or women tend to be more [Music] neurotic it's

Brian Atlaspretty equal yeah I would say it's pretty well I mean they've done I mean psychologists have done um yeah but you're asking me what I think they've done personality tests they've done studies and women rank higher in trait

Kylie Hansenneuroticism okay again yeah that's all I would say on that well do you want me to say something do you have a question well so I mean you're saying that that

Brian Atlaswomen are less likely to get good treatment uh in medical context but women overwhelmingly receive

Brian Atlaslike I think when it comes to uh when it comes to what's it called the

Brian Atlasuh like the tax burden when it comes to medical care women take out way more from the tax system than do men at least

Brian Atlasfrom a healthcare perspective isn't I mean do you want me to what are what's your argument here well you're saying that women get poor

Brian Atlasuh health care but if they get more Health Care than men wouldn't that counter your argument you think quantity

Brian Atlasautomatically translates no not NE not necessarily but I mean men tend to uh take less uh from Healthcare can I provide just with one

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