RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

Date: 2024-07-08

Duration: 8h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie Hansen >

AAmy (Amy Is Show)>

CChase Carson >

DDaria (DT176)>

MMorgan (DT176)>

HHannah (DT176)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS / donation reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chase Carson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jess(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amy (Amy Is Show)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Daria(guest)

SPEAKER_13Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_14Kylie Hansen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteJess announces she is enlisting in the U.S. Marines at age 30. Explains motivation: lack of education, bartending at 30 feels embarrassing, wants structure and self-improvement.

“my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military... I leave in January”

QuoteJess discloses that her partner of 8.5 years died in 2019. She spent ~5 years grieving and in therapy before recently entering a new talking stage.

“my longest relationship is 8 and a half years... he has passed away since then he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life”

OtherMason Gregoire introduces himself as "primarily a Christ follower" before listing his occupation as mechanical engineer. Panel reacts. He states he is pursuing Air Force Special Warfare and is training for it.

“yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm primarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer”

ControversyMason explains why men prefer younger women: biological clock concerns, less emotional baggage, more open to deprogramming. States he would not date a woman over 30-32 due to accumulated baggage.

“I don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have all of this extra life baggage... I want to have a large family”

ControversyAmy states she would "question the mental health" of men attracted to women 20+ years younger and uses the word "predatory." Brian challenges her, calling the statement pathologizing of all men. Extended confrontation.

“I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone... if a man is 20 years older... you're praying on them”

OtherRAGE QUIT: Amy leaves after Brian calls her "retarded" during the age-gap debate. Amy had called men who pursue much younger women mentally ill / predatory. She dropped a prop, Brian escalated. Amy states she will not tolerate disrespect and leaves despite Andrew and others asking her to stay. Brian offers to apologize if she sits back down; she does not return.

“could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me retarded yeah I mean here's the tone policing again”

ControversyDaria and Jess respond to Amy's rage quit, noting that Amy had called all men "mentally ill" and "disgusting" before getting offended at being called a single slur. Panel broadly agrees Amy's departure lacked consistency.

“did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting... she called all men mentally ill she called but you got called”

QuoteHannah describes kicking a 28-year-old man out of her manual transmission car for not knowing what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive stick shift because she does not want to be more masculine than a man.

“and he was like why do you have three pedals I was like get the fuck out of my car... 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is”

ControversyBrian produces a Wikipedia search showing "toxic femininity" redirects to "internalized misogyny" while toxic masculinity has a full article. Used as evidence of asymmetric treatment of gender topics.

“I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you try to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny”

QuoteAndrew Wilson apologizes for leaving the show early citing an engagement in the morning. Thanks Brian, Mason, and the panel. Leaves before the show wraps.

“Brian Brian sorry to cut you off I got to get going I got an engagement early in the morning”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status

Host Brian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara. Guests introduce themselves: Kylie Hansen (21, Denver, UCSB nanny/student), Amy (34, LA, podcast host + Army vet), Chase Carson (27, SB, hospital nutrition staff, bisexual), Daria (30, LA/Iran, tattoo artist), Jess (30, Bay Area, bartender/Marine enlistee), Morgan (29, East Bay, lash tech), Hannah (26, Maryland, web designer), Mason Gregoire (28, AZ, mechanical engineer/AF aspirant), Andrew Wilson (remote, debate host). Discussion of talking stages, exclusivity norms, relationship status, and body counts.

Talking Stage Norms and Exclusivity

Brian asks Kylie about her talking stage — does it bother her if the man she is dating sleeps with other women? Kylie initially says it would not bother her; panel pushes back. Jess and Chase argue against multi-partner talking stages. Mason shares his exclusive, marriage-focused talking stage. Hannah and others discuss initiation norms.

Body Count Discussion

Chase discloses body count of ~20-21 (thought she meant roster, not lifetime). Had 4-5 simultaneous casual partners. Jess criticizes the concept of a roster. Chase defends experimentation. Daria and others share perspectives on casual sex norms.

Toby Maguire Age-Gap Debate and Amy Rage Quit

Discussion of Toby Maguire (49) dating Lily (20). Amy calls large age-gap men mentally ill / predatory. Brian challenges her position on logical grounds. Andrew Wilson and Mason engage. Extended meta-debate on eye-rolling, respect, and tone-policing. Brian calls Amy "retarded" after she drops her prop. Amy rage-quits at ~2:22:40 despite offers to apologize.

Wage Gap and Equal Pay

Discussion of equal pay for equal work. Chase and Daria struggle to articulate positions. Mason lays out statistics: men work longer hours, take fewer sick days, take harder jobs, work graveyard shifts. General agreement that same-work same-pay is fair; wage gap attributable to occupational choice and hours. Morgan notes women in male-dominated trades can additionally monetize their rarity via TikTok.

Who Should Pay on the First Date

Brian asks each panelist who should pay on a first date. Kylie: whoever asks (acknowledges men initiate ~90% of the time). Chase: 50/50 (only been on 2 formal first dates despite 20+ sexual partners). Hannah: women should offer; if man accepts the offer he is socially inept. Morgan and Daria give various takes. Panel discussion of the asymmetry between initiating and paying.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks whether panelists would rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods. Most women choose bear. Andrew Wilson challenges the predictability argument. Hannah and Daria defend bear preference based on past negative experiences with men. Mason argues most men are harmless; bear has only two options (ignore or kill). Hannah challenged by Andrew on how to make fire without tools — she decedes she cannot.

Men's Masculinity and Peter Pan Syndrome

Hannah shares pre-show notes about men avoiding provider/protector roles causing women to become more masculine, creating a cycle. Brian and Andrew engage with the argument. Discussion of fake vs. real masculinity, controlling behavior, and absent fathers.

She Will Not Date a Man Who Cannot Drive Stick

Hannah reveals she kicked a man out of her 1995 manual transmission car when he did not know what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive a stick shift — "I don't want to be more masculine than a man." Andrew confirms his daily car is also a manual transmission.

Therapy Debate

Brian asks whether men's hesitance to go to therapy is toxic masculinity. Kylie says it is culturally imposed. Brian says he is skeptical of talk therapy except for specific issues. Andrew asks whether therapy actually cures anything. Kylie describes managing anxiety via therapy tools. Mason suggests alternative outlets (building things, physical activity). General discussion of therapy as green flag on dating apps.

Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity

Brian asks whether toxic masculinity exists. Most say yes. Brian then asks about toxic femininity — same answer. Wikipedia search shows toxic femininity redirects to internalized misogyny. Kylie explains patriarchy theory and standpoint feminism from her UCSB feminist theory coursework. Panel generally agrees toxic femininity is underreported.

Feminist Theory and the Draft Debate

Extended debate between Kylie, Brian, Mason, and Andrew on whether feminism is about equality or equity. Brian argues feminism fights equality when it would benefit men (cites NOW opposing Florida's 50/50 custody presumption). Draft question: Kylie agrees women should probably be drafted for equality but hedges on equity framing. Hannah clearly states women should be drafted. Mason argues men and women are intrinsically different so equality of outcome is impossible. Andrew leaves at ~7:53:47.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthey know how to Google they can build their own [ __ ] show but but okay she doesn't know how to knit bro Dam I have you really should learn how to knit she doesn't know how to knit son she can't

Brian Atlasmake me a dog [ __ ] sweater during Christmas [ __ ] damn it I have it's over it's [ __ ] over bro go if she don't know how to knit she can't get the dick

Andrew Wilsonthat's oh okay what do you mean what do you mean she can't sew right after she made a five course meal what kind of women are you looking for I ridiculous I went on a date with this chick and she

Hannahdidn't show up with a [ __ ] beanie or mittens D or mittens she didn't show up with some mittens okay but tell me this isn't I I do believe that women should know how to cook and

Andrew Wilsonwomen should know how to they should know how to I told that [ __ ] get dude take a walk just get out of here showing kit in their purse I

Dariahave in that type of like whatever conver you're talking about I have had somebody actually like a way older man I

Dariaasked him to help me build my cabinet thing whatever he worked on it for hours and he did it wrong I had to do it and

Hannahfix it wait Did you smash like Midway through hell no oh damn okay I thought you were like going toting though when you like see them and they're like not capable struggling and like no there's something wrong I ended up fixing it

Brian Atlasthat's good that was smart that's why ladies if you're having a guy over doing some like household projects make sure he only gets to hit after he completes the job fully like he can't hit Midway through don't give him that like Midway

Brian Atlasthrough hit it's got be it's got be he wasn't going to get last thing got moving on wait so for you you said that uh men plural have gone mad at you because you you don't drink alcohol on

Brian Atlasdays I explained to one dude how time in relationship to travel worked he thought it took 2 hours to fly from the DMV to Mexico the country

Hannahwhat all of us wait what what obviously he was he was literally like it only takes 2 hours to fly from here to Mexico and I was like no it doesn't he was like well if you leave at 5:00 and you land at 7:00 that's only 2 hours and I was

Hannahlike like that is how long does it take to get back oh really long time wait you were in the military what I'm totally switching you said you've been proposed to a few times on first dates no those are like Barracks Bros like they want to get out

Brian Atlasof the barracks so they'll like propose you on the first date like what what I see yeah that's cool oh so that they can get a house yeah so they can get into housing that's great okay uh we have Stiffler ask everyone to rate their

Chase Carsonlooks on a scale of 1 to 10 C pick seven starting with our friend Kylie go ahead nine eight I will actually be nice to myself

Brian Atlastoday at 7 you can't pick seven oh yeah good catch so aggressive well done damn that was a five wait hold on say

Brian Atlasthat one more time with the same energy you can't pick [Music] seven it really come wait you said wait

Chase CarsonI was saying I was being nice to myself I said a five oh okay come on I mean okay me

Hannah10 okay go 4.5 oh into the mic oh [ __ ] like 4.5 excuse me 5.5

Brian Atlas3.14 five Jesus I'm not I'm not con me drop the AR again stop being yes I am Brian I answer okay haha it's pie why you just answer the question okay thank

Andrew Wilsonyou thank you bro I honestly don't even know if that was pie I just okay if anything starts with 3.14 five I'm a five

Andrew WilsonAndrew uh you know I'm a 25 I'm I I just like I knock it out of the park if if that chick over there's a 10 then I'm a

Brian Atlas20 hey I'll take that I'll take that boom roed um Mr Wilson's the puty room so nine and 10 yeah okay you guys get my attention for a couple

Morganminutes so wait did I even pull it up did I pull it up okay just it heads up we okay yeah 10 minutes you got

Brian Atlasanother 10 minutes okay 10 of course that's fun they pre-cleared it with me before the show so it's all good all

Brian Atlasright so uh 10 yeah cuz we fly black super early and nine we fly I'm stealing I'm stealing a page from Andrew Wilson

Dariaum thievery Okay so sorry do you so you consider yourself then the most attractive woman at the table I mean not just like looks wise I

Andrew Wilsonguess I would say but yeah sure yes I'm confident in myself I I like myself yeah just just based on looks you're the prettiest girl in the room so you're the prettiest girl in the room I will say Bas on I pick her for they gave

Morganthemselves enough credit wait what hold on say that again I said based off looks I'd pick her for my smash you'd have sexual intercourse with her well I mean if I was super if I was a man you'd have

Morgancarinal knowledge in a video game wait wait are you by no that's why I said if I was a man you is it because of the tats no you know the only I am biased I

Morganguess a little bit with that I know you guys are not fond of them I I am attracted to tattoos but I just think she has nice features I like her face thanks yeah is she prettier than you I think she's prettier than me yeah I

Brian Atlasthink you're pret is she the prettiest girl in the room to me personally yeah I think she is thank you okay so I don't think we got a qu answer from you though are you the most attractive woman in the

Dariaroom I mean I wouldn't say I think that no I think that everybody kind of like downplayed themselves

Dariabut if by default because of the answer then yeah so which girl is prettier than you who's who's prettier mhm like prettiest no prettier than you prettier

Dariathan me I mean I really think she's really pretty is she prettier than you could be yeah I don't mind that well I mean I'm just I'm asking you for your

DariaI'm not going to so she is no yeah I think so I think so she has features that like I would maybe want to have like so she's prettier than you by your estimation okay great so if she's

Dariaprettier than you if you're a 10 and 10 is perfect then what does that make her it makes her whatever she wants cuz that's my opinion of myself I'm what you can make whatever kind of sense

Morganof it you want but that has to do with your own self-esteem I will say I think a lot of women base this question off how they how they feel personally about themselves where I base my answer off

Morganhow I think other people would rate me so to speak I'm not basing it off of necessar like do I think I'm an ugly person no I don't do I think I'm the most attractive person no I don't um I would say I'm average um yeah like I

Morgandon't think I'm better than any of these women when when I answer that question I answer it based off what I think other people would view me as and I think I think people would view me as no more than the other women are under selling

Morganthemselves or that you're overselling yourself are you asking me both of you um I think they're under selling themselves I think both I think some oversell themselves and I think some undersell themselves just the ones in

Andrew Wilsonthe room because the thing is is that I'm not I understand that you can say that beauty standards are subjective that's fair but if you do say that beauty standards are subjective but then you rate yourself you must have some

Andrew Wilsonstandard that you're applying to yourself or else you couldn't rate yourself 100% 100% so if that is true and I ask if you're the prettiest girl in the room and you say no why then would the other girl rate herself as a

Andrew Wilsonfive either one one of you is UN underselling Yourself by your estimation or you're overselling Yourself by your estimation only one of those can be true I could be overselling myself but I also am keeping in mind the other qualities

Andrew Wilsonthat I have to offer so yeah but it's just strictly off of beauty that's it that's the only standard we're looking at okay stop same F answer doesn't change I

Andrew Wilsonguess yeah but wouldn't that be incoherent if it doesn't change if you think somebody else is prettier than you and 10 10 is the perfect Mark and somebody else is higher than the 10 you gave yourself how could you be being

Dariahonest with us I I I don't really have a good answer for you for that I guess all right that's the best way I can put it that's

Brian Atlasall anything else any of so there's no women that are more beautiful not even just at the table in the world there's no women that are more beautiful than you like you're just on par no cuz

Dariaobviously you heard my my answer about it I don't think that realistically like I am the most beautiful person person ever and people are underselling

Brian Atlasthemselves in this room but I can't I can't personally think about you're you're like on par with the most beautiful women in the world I could close I could be that has a lot to do

Andrew Wilsonwith like what I believe right yeah yeah so do you believe that do you believe that you're on par with the prettiest girls in the world sure yeah just from a physical

Dariastandpoint yeah yeah I've done I mean I don't know that could come like from like it could be mistaken for ego as well but that's fair enough it's a moding for a long time too so that had to be let me just ask you then quick

Andrew Wilsonfollowup after I understand now that I understand kind of the position who is the prettiest actress you can think

Dariaof [ __ ] just physical Beauty only EV mes that's a good one she said a good

Dariaone on Eva Mendes is and you're uh you're on with her yeah I totally could be now now are you from your own okay

Hannahyeah yeah sure yeah okay toads I don't need anyone to agree on that [ __ ] do you have that like ranking

Hannahsystem for women the one where you know like men are a 10 men are like a one do you have that for women your little CH chart chart yeah yeah we can pull that up do you have that for women

Brian Atlasyeah we have it for men and women I think Nick you can just go to True rate me on rate me on Reddit I think do we have it in one of the

Brian Atlasfolders why don't we have Andrew raid us home do we have do we have it in the download folder do we have it in the download folder Nick Nick I need it

Brian Atlasquick get it for me immediately awkward guys go to Twitch guys to twitch.tv/ drop follow drops a prime sub

Brian Atlasif you have one drops a follow a prime sub boys if you have one follow us there we go I should have checked in boys it's been 28 minutes since we've had a prime sub I think it's

Brian Atlasbugged boys I need you guys to drop us a little Prime and a follow if you're watching over there on Twitch think oh my God they restarted the session oh my

Brian AtlasGod they just oh my God okay rip unfortunate unfortunate anyways go ahead Nick I guess uh I was trying to find when I searched so I'll

Brian Atlasjust pull out his just going to take me a sec okay all right well any further uh oh okay here

Brian AtlasI'll I'll get through I'll do some of my uh we we'll try to wrap up here pretty soon but I have a couple uh couple questions I still need to get through

Brian Atlasso hold on boys I'm trying to find it here it is is okay bullet this is not the bullet but I got some quick

Dariaquestions have you ever dated an [ __ ] yes is that a yes yes yeah no

Dariayes yeah yeah okay that was that was the only I was we all have ever okay a quick followup uh just a

Andrew Wilsonquick show of hands who has ever dated a narcissist I knew that was coming show of hands Luber thing for the 10 who has dated a narcissist I think I might that a trick

Andrew Wilsonquestion though I don't know for sure no it's not a trick question I'm just curious I don't know but I think I might have just a show of hands who's dated a narcissist oh for sure oh definitely for

Morgansure I think I've never been wrong I because I I don't know the Technic technical terms so I don't want to mistake okay all right like medically diagnosed

Brian AtlasI don't know about that but do you you have it Nick do you have it she wanted to see the r me she wanted to see the rap me you start at the top yeah we'll start at the top these are the ladies

Brian Atlasyeah we'll show the we could show the men too but uh yeah oh we show The Men We show the women and the men all right so I disagree with a little bit of some of these a little bit you know you can

Brian Atlasmove them up down whatever adri are like the most attractive women I'm gonna downgrade a couple of these you know what I mean but but it's generally

Brian Atlasspeaking it's decent it gives you a gun accurate yeah it gives you a guide and then by the way we didn't make this it's just on Reddit mm Nina do Brave is only a

Hannah6.5 I don't even know who that is I think she's much Prett she's The Vampire Diaries lady never seen that a day in my life wait okay wait I missed oh no Tesa

Brian AtlasTAA she she's some of those chicks that were we're nines I did all right so now we're getting to

Brian Atlasfour 3.5 oh my Rachel Dr not precious I'm going to skip like going lower than I think we we're going to stop at 2.5 just

Hannahcuz then it starts to get mean I feel mean they put press it gets kind of mean so bring it back to the top though Mick yeah miss that I missed that part

Brian AtlasI'm not going to say that all right um Adriana Lima

Brian Atlasokay she have a lazy eye what's going on with Freda that's a good question she hey i' still maybe it's lighting I don't know which one Taylor Hill's kind of cute I don't know who she is I'm sorry

Andrew WilsonI'm sorry Brian we can't go there's no none of those chicks in the 9.5 belong there not a single one of them belong there Am I Wrong Mas I don't think know I don't think you're wrong Andrew no they don't belong there at all I didn't

Mason Gregoiremake this I didn't make it but you would say it was uh close enough more accurate than the Assassins made

Brian Atlashere oh yeah oh yeah I mean yes okay I'll give it that I'll give it that bare minimum yeah I I disagree with some of those for sure but

Hannahuh who wanted that did you want that pulled up I wanted it you want to pulled up why I wanted to see uh what the skill was in relationship to the people here a word okay yeah there it

Dariais are you satisfied I am I just I I wanted to see what their ranking was to see let's pull up the men really quick Nick could you get the men or like Honestly though the I feel like the women he that said there were five

Hannahwhatevers I don't think any woman here is above a six according to that chart oh you don't think any girl here is I don't think any girl here is above a six shots fired shots fired sorry shots

Hannahfired not off I meant to I meant to like people that are fives are better than I'm not going to I'm not going to read I want you to say it to all the women to their face I I respect your opinion I

Kylie Hansenfeel like it's valid I would is subjective and personally I was just going off of how I felt secure in myself that's what I was basing off of would say everybody and rate myself

Kylie Hansendifferently at a different time in my life you know we're just so B got it ni has the men you know all right here's the men e oh hell no really I don't know

Morganany of they don't even got what's his nameth is only well they're not showing every single man yeah but he should be at the top they should how is Chris Hemsworth

Morgandown there you said they gave him like the I love me a silver fox they gave him he

Darialook like okay all right wait uh damn Jonah Hill damn I'm not going to Li he is in I feel

Brian Atlaslike Jeremy Lynn got a little love on this I'm just throwing that yeah dude he's a five next okay anyway made that

Brian Atlaslist the further you went down the more I look like the people where I live well then that's a that's good I'll tell you what I ain't never met a girl who don't

Dariaknow how to churn butter you're like that's your standard from now on I'm going need you start eating fresh butter oh okay so uh going around the

Brian Atlastable who is uh who is the primary victim of war men or women of what war

Kylie Hansenwar I don't understand it's just in general yeah just in general I would say because in the

Kylie Hansenmilitary it's dominantly man men like men but if it wasn't like based off of gender I would say it's whoever like is injured or killed in combat so men okay

Brian Atlasyes exactly yeah we're going to skip Morgan Morgan was U unless she wants to answer unless you want to answer man cuz she already answered

Dariathese questions last time

Dariaso I mean men I guess yes okay men men men okay like hard to argue all right it

Hannahis hard to argue this is good uh are men are women physically stronger oh my God women are so much stronger than men Brian I'm really going to need you to start just like opening

Hannahup your eyes and like just seeing men obviously sarcasm also is definitely not very well let's ask a followup or men or

Andrew Wilsonwomen funnier I think I'm hilarious but you know what you are fun you should you should pretty for all the wrong reason you know I think if you just Gap the eyes a little bit more you can

Andrew Wilsoncompensate for your lack of delivery I thought that was pretty good yeah it was okay I mean just giving a sarcastic I mean I would have done it better but I'm a man why didn't you do it better you should have taken your

Hannahopportunity I did so are we supposed to answer that question all right going around the table the funny thing about to fall out who who's stronger yeah are men or women

Dariaphysically stronger men without a doubt men that one's kind of hard cuz women give birth that part is kind of like you

Morgancan't like I don't know if you can I don't know that's hard want to hear I really don't have much context behind it but like enduring pain though

Kylie Hansenand being stronger are different okay I mean I guess yeah but so like answer the question just me

Kylie Hansenokay can be a men men on average men I think women mentally and emotionally are stronger

Kylie Hansenthough wa say again I don't I I disagree with the emotionally part okay yeah I think that women are stronger emotionally and mentally though on average of course there's like outliers um but on average men would be

Kylie Hansenphysically stronger women are stronger sorry you said uh emotionally and what was the other one mentally mentally so do you mean intellect not necessarily because I feel like you can't categorize something like that off

Kylie Hansenof gender but I think mental resilience yes

Mason Gregoirewomen who generally if you're going to make a generalization who generally lashes out of emotion women I mean is that is there also a hormone Factor like put into this so I'm

Mason GregoireI'm regardless yeah I mean part of being a woman is you have different hormones than men but also to be aggressive so I mean generally speaking like who are who are more

Dariareserved with expressing their emotions men or women men men are taught to reserve their emotions though but is that just Reserve or an aggressive emotion so do

Kylie Hansenyou want men to not be taught to control their emotions do I want them to I want them to be taught to process it in a healthy way well process it in a healthy way what does that look like that looks like not lashing out I think that

Kylie Hansenwatchingg out isn't healthy either but so controlling your emotions you want to control their emotions men generally control emotions better I'm not saying control your emotions what I'm saying specifically is I feel like on average

Andrew Wilsonwomen are taught to regulate their emotions in healthier ways versus men aren't men yeah don't have let's walk through what that means what do you mean that they're taught to regulate in a healthier way I think that a lot of

Kylie Hansentimes when men experience mental distress they will not use healthy coping techniques and they will not talk about it push it down what are those healthy coping techniques healthy coping techniques like when I'm upset I will

Kylie Hansentalk to my friends I'll talk to my mom I have my friends to confide in I talk it you have to feel it to heal it I feel my emotions fully and then I'm able to move on past it so men don't talk to their

Mason Gregoirefriends I don't think they talk I don't think it's on the same level because what do you mean it's not on the same level what what are you talking about I think how men and women should deal with their emotions is

Mason Gregoireentirely different because men and women are entirely different so women show a lot of progress sitting down and just directly chitchatting with like a

Mason Gregoiretherapist or somebody else men on average they their mental healing like how they work through all this crap is

Mason Gregoireyeah we go chop down trees we'll fix a motorcycle and oh my godon stop with maning bro you got to feel it you have to feel it

Mason Gregoireyou're right there was that documentary that experiment that woman did that committ well so I mean how how men heal through things might just look differently and

Mason Gregoiredoesn't mean it's unhealthy doesn't mean it's wrong also the way men control their emotions it's not because they're taught to do that it's natural like men

Mason Gregoirenaturally hold things in because they're built that way women don't naturally hold things in because they're not built that way and it's it's like those distinctions are good because you're

Dariadesigned that way I respect your opinion but I don't like from experience I don't think that's yeah doesn't I think you're I respect your opinion too I agree with you and I think and thank you

Kylie Hansenfor explaining to me too that like that could work good for processing like how men do it because that is a valid way to process your emotions me personally I process my emotions best when I'm alone it's like I take alone time I do something independently and I'm able to

Kylie Hansenlike work through it similar to how you're talking about like how men will go chop down trees instead of chitchatting you know what I mean so I don't think it's so physical than for you guys and then well it's just

Mason Gregoirestatistical finding women women have success dealing with emotional whatever talking through things dealing with trauma emotional baggage they deal best

Mason Gregoirewith through those things by talking through in therapy sessions like talking those things out men generally do better at coping with those things not through sitting down actually

Mason Gregoireuh it's shown that if men try to just sit down talk to a therapist and deal with those things like women do it doesn't show nearly as much of effect as if they would just like stand

Mason Gregoirearound a lawn mower and fix it together cuz naturally as you're fixing reflection you you start to like you start to bring conver you start to bring things up like as guys do stuff together as you're like doing something

Mason Gregoirefulfilling an activity those things might come up uh the actual Act of doing this manual labor or accomplishing a task is therapeutic for men so without

Dariaeven discussing the topic you can heal all of those things women do that too though you know I I'll go have a run in the morning and I'll feel way better than I would have if I didn't but you know excise that's good but like I'm

Mason Gregoirejust saying in general that's how men will heal through things and in general that's how women will heal through things so when when people come out and say they do not know how to cope or they

Andrew Wilsondo not know how to heal maybe they just don't heal the way you do can I ask about the uh the female coping mechanism

Andrew Wilsonversus the male coping mechanism when you say healthy men don't deal with these things in a healthy way uh can I give you an example of a way that I cope for instance if I'm upset and this is

Andrew Wilsonthis is this is true and then you can tell me if you think it's healthy or unhealthy so what I generally do is I load up a 22 magnum and I go up on my top deck and I turn on the night vision and I wait for the rabbits to come out

Andrew Wilsonat night and then I blow their faces off and I think it's hilarious right I mean I just gun them down mercilessly and it doesn't bother me a bit and I feel a lot better is that

Andrew Wilsonunhealthy you feed the rabbits to the dogs oh I mean do you feed the rabbit Fe let them r i don't give a [ __ ] about them they're p and they annoy me down

Dariafor fun is that is that unhealthy there's been plenty of times where I don't know when I was way younger that I felt like punching a hole in a door felt amazing

Dariaafter fighting somebody at school felt great like that was a great way to get my anger out but obviously in society that's not the right way to get it out but he's not necessar talking about

Andrew Wilsongetting like expelling Anger from his body that's a physical that's a physical no I'm just I'm just that's just the equalent or I'm having some kind of issue or something

Andrew Wilsonlike this I like to just murder the local Wildlife because I you know just kind of find it mildly amusing and I don't like the little bastards being in my yard because it's mine is that healthy or unhealthy I want to start off

Kylie Hansenby saying that I'm glad that that helps you and I'm glad that you have a technique that you feel can help you emotionally process things um I'm going to be very vague in answering this cuz I

Kylie Hansenam very tired I feel like everyone's definition of healthy what's healthy for me is going to look different from someone else just in terms of like mental health and if that's what you find

Kylie Hansenhealthy for yourself sure I find that healthy then and I'm glad that you have that as a technique to process your em as long as you're not hurting other people around you do I think that it

Andrew Wilsonwould be great if it was a technique that didn't cause you to inflict pain onto another living thing sure yeah but that's the best part that like the funnest part of it is the blasting of

Andrew Wilsonwatching Their little bodies explode like that's the fun part I mean what's what is is that is that unhealthy I mean I don't know how that little that little brown

Andrew Wilsonjust Zips in it just slices them right in half just just like that and I'm like yeah take that you little bastard is that me being like unhealthy or is that

Andrew Wilsonat the proper masculine way in which to process my emotions just if I was looking at you for for keeping you from hurting other I don't know I guess

Dariathat's F Rel sense would like is it ideal no I'm glad it works for you yeah I don't think like uh how it's not IDE though I've seen a lot I feel like it's

Andrew Wilsona great service that I do for the community I keep the uh you know the pest under control and at the same time I'm able to um I don't know satiate my

Dariafeelings at the same time it seems like it's a win-win yeah it is that is good and but you know I don't think there's many other people that that have

Andrew Wilsonthat ask the in the chat come over late it's 2:00 in the morning we're drinking beer we're just cutting those little bastards in half like it's like it's going out of style and it's hilar

Dariaand it's fun are they also are they processing their emotions properly too but you can't deny that that there are significant like um improvements in like

Dariaa mental health of of a man that has gone through crazy type of trauma and they talk about it that I've known personally at least five that after

Dariagetting a therapist and just releasing that in a short amount of time they didn't even need to continuously see uh a professional for that that already

Kylie Hansensolved a bunch of their problems I would argue that I do agree that there is some genetic component like how you were saying earlier I do acknowledge that there have been studies done like

Kylie Hansenthat's totally like I agree with you on that but I also do think that due to the notion that men are taught that they they don't see the same amount of people in therapy like when you when you picture a therapist office who do you

Kylie Hansenpicture sitting on the couch next to the therapist you picture a woman right we've all been conditioned Society to think that women are the ones who go to therapy men don't go as often because it's the truth it's what societ reflect

Kylie Hansenif you were to grow up in an environment where you saw your father going to therapy you saw male role models going to therapy and speaking openly about it there's a greater chance that you might

Andrew Wilsontake to therapy more therapy's I want to let you know here's here's the the kind of traditional male therapy that I'm used to and I think it's far superior because there seems to

Andrew Wilsonbe far less mental illness in men and we know that by the numbers because we can see the amount of anti-depressants and we can see the amount of antis psychotic drugs that women are on versus men go ahead do you think that's because men

Kylie Hansenaren't going to these doctor's appointments so they're not even getting diagnosed and prescribed in the first place but you would you would see this you would see this act out in other ways in society then the highest the highest

Andrew Wilsonpopulation of uh anti-depressant abusers is women isn't the highest um so no mental illness is higher in women than it is in men there's no doubt that

Andrew Wilsonthat's true but you know how I see men generally deal with uh with their problems rather than go and sit on a couch and talk to some chick about their feelings what they do is they get on a game called Red Dead Redemption 2 and

Andrew Wilsonthey find prostitutes and they tie them up in the game and they put them on the back of a horse and they go down to the railroad track and then they throw them on the railroad track and then they wait there with a six shooter till the train

Andrew Wilsoncomes and then it blasts them and cuts him in half and then they shoot at the body parts in the gameon that's that I see them do it and you know what they seem to be having a blast so I was like

Andrew Wilsonyou know what try that [ __ ] and it was a lot of fun are these is that a healthy way to deal with their issues I feel like everything you said was to yeah

Dariadefinitely if that's what works for them beautiful I think for YouTube why put all of that energy into something like that when you can just cuz it's fun talk

Mason Gregoireand get it out it's fun as as a gamer I can tell you the them to get it out in a game thy sessions I've ever had have been with the boys playing Call of Duty

Dariadoing the most obscene stuff but is it because is this because like people tell you like even me for instance I thought like crying people seeing me cry was

Dariaweak yeah and I had to figure that out but that kind of goes for like men like they think those kind of behaviors are weak or they were told that at some

Dariapoint in their Liv think uh that has something to do with it I don't know here's the thing though is that we don't want to talk about our problems we want to solve them okay go solve them but you

Brian Atlasdon't to solve them suppressing all that but why okay so you're in therapy because I feel bad about ex I feel bad about my life circumstances I feel bad about something

Brian Atlasthat happened um you go to find out why you react to things in the way you react I don't know about I don't know about you Mason if I like actually start meditating and thinking about my

Brian Atlasproblems talking about my problems I feel bad like it makes me feel bad that's a bad sign it doesn't make me like it doesn't help the problem no I don't that's not a good sign that's

Mason Gregoirethe first how that's the first step into problem solving well no men see things as like problem solution if there's a problem in my life I need to find a solution always a solution though there's always a solution regardless but

Mason Gregoirethe first step to getting to a solution is no okay I'm just going to let you Inside the Mind of Men right now that's yeah when we when we see a problem it does nothing

Mason Gregoirefor us to ruminate and just stew on the problem itself and think about why is it a problem uh who why is it affecting my psyche uh why does it make me feel this

Mason Gregoireway we don't think like that we think okay there's the problem let me solve this problem eliminate it and I don't have to deal with it anymore it's gone it's out of my mind that's a problem

Mason Gregoirethey think because well you're you're coming at me as a woman saying this because your mind works different you sit there you say well that [ __ ] happened and then you move on well no

Mason Gregoireit's because as men like we can just it from our minds we can totally recover from things by just talk about the longer you talk about something the more you're just going to drag it up and then you're just going to have to deal

Brian Atlaswith it over and over and over again just say okay that happen have you ever had the experience of you go to like a guy maybe you're dating him and he you like tell him a problem right and he's

Brian Atlaslike okay well you can do XYZ and here's how you can resolve well that just want to listen that's the that's the difference between men and

Brian Atlaswomen yeah that's not if a girl comes to me if a girl comes to me with a problem I'm going to be like okay how can I fix this but y'all are like no I don't want a solution just listen to

Kylie Hansenme is the whole y'all thing you guys don't like that we do but I don't want to like as a guy I don't want to vent to anybody really [ __ ] that's up to you that's subjective

Kylie Hansenand that's totally valid I'm not saying that's not valid but that really helps I have a clarifying question for you specifically when you're saying that the way that men are wired and their brains work this way yeah I agree that that's

Mason Gregoirethe majority of men but do you think that's how all men are wired or should be naturally yeah I mean naturally yes naturally yes is that okay sometimes sometimes there are problems that are

Mason Gregoiretoo large for a man to accomplish by himself so he has to bring in other people but at the end of the day all he's trying to do is just solve the problem instead of talk about the intricacies of the problem like if he

Kylie Hansenhas to talk about the intricacies of the problem to solve it he'll do that but for the sake of talking about the problem he'll never do that only when it's necessary you're saying exactly

Kylie Hansenokay I understand that I will say too though I have going back to your point about how when you'll vent to like a a boyfriend or whatever I have had Partners in the past we're all vent to

Kylie Hansenthem and they don't immediately hand me Solutions and their natural instinct is just be like I'm so sorry that sucks like well I think I'm so sorry that happened like I don't think that well it's CU they've been taught like sorry I

Mason Gregoiredidn't want to cut you off no it's okay but generally speaking the first relationships I ever got into my initial reaction was solve the problem but it's been taught to me that women don't think

Mason Gregoireexactly like I do so i' I've had been I've had to learn that when a woman comes to me with a problem I have to decipher or ask them do you want a solution or you just want me to

Mason Gregoirelisten generally speaking I'll TP I'll typically just listen but with a guy one of my Bros comes to me with a problem I know I can just give him a solution and that's kind of what he's looking for no

Kylie Hansenand I think that's a good skill that you have that you can differentiate in between those two important it comes with learning so of course but I will say that I have friends who are male where their instinct is not to just

Kylie Hansensolve it it's to comfort me first and that's their natural instinct so I I agree with you that that's the majority of men I do not think that is all of them though I think that you're I I thinking a lot of blanket terms here

Mason Gregoirewell maybe you haven't been with them through their whole life maybe there have been points in life childhood friends and I from birth you've been with them cuz like at all points in life

Andrew WilsonElementary School I'm early we all want to solve the problem that's not the the issue here can I ask a a question along this vein

Andrew Wilsonokay uh for those of you who are big heavy Believers in therapy have you ever actually known a single woman who's gone to therapy and been cured of the problem

Dariashe was going to therapy for cured hell no I don't think there is just off of a just off of talking to one person no don't get cured like that it's not it's not the way it sounds

Kylie Hanseneither I think that when you go to therapy you learn how to deal with problems life throw you I don't think you get cured it's a longer lasting you learn how to address things in the

Kylie Hansenfuture when they crop up in your life I've gone to therapy and at this point now would I say I'm cured no I'm a human I experience stress within my daily life but after going to therapy I know how to

Dariamanage stress better and it worked for me and that's fine wouldn't that be a cure no cuz you don't like yeah I don't

Dariaknow you no longer have I goally I just don't go as often maybe you cured that like problem at that time that you had but people don't stop going

Mason Gregoirethrough experien that if if the goal of therapy is to gather all of these tools so you can appropriately deal with issues in the future you should be able to provide somebody with those tools and

Darianot have to continue providing new tools to them but do you have the same like problems or fears that you did when you were five then now no because I deal with them

Kylie Hansenexperi I have the tools I don't have to continually have somebody give me more tools to figure out how to deal with the issues for you [ __ ] can I propose an analogy real quick just to shed light on

Kylie Hansenmy perspective okay think of it like this I went to therapy because I experienced anxiety from a really young age I did not know how to deal with stress right think of it like a chronic

Kylie Hansena chronic disease right you can learn to manage it but it never fully goes away I still feel anxious but now I have the tools in order to remedy that and ease those

Andrew Wilsonsymptoms it's like an it's like living with a chronic I don't I hate drawing that compar have you ever tried Alternative forms of medicine though Alternative forms of medicine can you please elaborate and provide examples yeah like give you an example have you

Andrew Wilsonever tried bunny blasting oh my God no please explain though that's where you

Kylie Hansentake blow brain I ask for examp plural I believe I asked for examples plural please provide more I think that's all he has I don't know um it's okay you

Andrew Wilsonknow funny going out and uh and shooting at random things or ocus energy and building something or any number of different things yes I do build I have done the building things my

Kylie Hansendad does Woodworking and I've gone out and learned how to woodwork with him and that has been did you learn how to wood work my brother we built the furniture for his bedroom so we built a frame a desk and a little nightstand for him

Kylie Hansenwell what did you do for the woodworking portion you specifically woodworking me specifically okay well I used the saw I learned how to use the band saw what kind what kind of saw what did you say

Kylie Hansenwhat kind of saw a band saw and I learn like a handsaw I did use a jigsaw in order to stabilize the wood yes and then I learned how to use a stander my dad is very very into carpentry so he did teach

Kylie Hansenme basic things am I a master woodcrafter no I never claimed to be not asking if you're M just asking if you've ever vented maybe your frustrations in a different way I think that they're to

Kylie Hansenyes and I'm not just saying like I have many different ways that I process emotion I just don't go to therapy 24/7 I don't think anyone does I like jum I'll jump on I'm going to jump in on this okay a part of I don't I mean if

Brian Atlasyou're trying to actually tackle something specific you said you had anxiety you went to therapy for it perhaps you saw somebody who specialized in treating people who have did yes panic disorders anxiety Etc I don't

Brian Atlasreally have any objections there but I do think there are some sort of this idea like because you'll see on like dating apps for example to bring it back to dating women will just like wholesale say green flag if a man's in therapy or

Brian Atlasmen should be in therapy which sort of pathologizes men in general saying well there's something sort of innately wrong with men and they need to solve their

Brian Atlasmaleness by I mean I'm S I don't want to straw man but you will see these things from women on dating apps for example um just going to talk therapy because

Brian Atlasyou're just vaguely not really trying to address any specific anything specific like you were with anxiety but you're just vaguely unhappy or vaguely

Brian Atlasdepressed or just because Society is saying or women are saying I'm attracted to men men should be in therapy it's a green flag um I think there's an issue

Brian Atlasthere talk therapy I don't think is effective at all uh but I do think for example as you mentioned therapies that can assist with specific issues maybe

Brian Atlassomeone who's coping with the uh who's grieving who's lost a family member there are therapists who can specifically help with how to overcome that sort of thing I think that you know

Brian Atlasand often times these are covered by the hospice or um in any case but it does kind of lead into our next thing here I've heard that men's hesitance to go to

Brian Atlastherapy or their unwillingness to to go to therapy is evidence of toxic masculinity do you agree with that here's what I would say I would say that an adherence to go a therapy has

Kylie Hansenbeen due to the notion that a lot of men are just taught that therapy is not for men here's what and I also have a response to the dating prompts do I think that everyone needs to actively be in therapy no I don't think everyone

Kylie Hansenactively needs to be in therapy like do I think that at least everyone should at least try it once in order to see if it works for them yes yes I do I don't think that everyone needs to be in it consistently though that's like how you said like you have processing techniques

Kylie Hansenthat work for you better and I'm glad and like I'm not saying that therapy has to work for you like that would be really ignorant of me to think that one train would work for everyone you know what I mean like that's not my argument

Brian Atlashere all I'm going Tove say that everyone should at least try it once or consider it well I'm going to move it off of therapy conversation uh a couple more questions and we will try to wrap things up here pretty soon bring uh

Brian Atlasbringing up talk toxic masculinity do you believe that that is a thing though yes toxic masculinity going around the

Brian Atlastable yeah yes yeah no not a thing okay uh do you think there's toxic femininity

Brian Atlasoh 100% yes yeah yeah definitely but why do we tend to hear more about toxic masculinity than we do about toxic femininity why do you think that is I

Kylie Hansenthink that's actually a really interesting question

Kylie Hansenum I think because feminism is such a new field like it's only been around like the term feminism what when was it coined like I'm not even sure personally

Kylie Hansenbut it's a relatively recently new field right when you have new Fields emerging you don't look at it with the same lens as you would um a field that is like more established I think that a lot of

Kylie Hansentimes with toxic femininity I think a lot of times women will peat each other down like little Digs at each other passive aggressive making each other look bad in front of other people I'm sure everyone at this table has

Andrew Wilsonexperienced a woman being toxic to in some form it's that's kind of a weird analogy though right I mean feminism's been around a lot longer than let's say the microchip for

Dariainstance like really though are you comparing feminism to a microchip no like I I mean I also assumed that it was within the past like

Kylie Hansenfew hundred years maybe yeah I'm saying how how old do you think the microchip is I don't know I don't know I don't study microchips it's okay I mean if you

Andrew Wilsonhad a guess right the microchip would be pretty recent right yes okay can I please finish my point Yeah well yeah but I still would like you to answer to

Andrew Wilsonthis because you start by saying well feminism is kind of a new term and because of that we're focusing on this kind of a limited prism which is really

Andrew Wilsonstrange because um I think that language and I think that ideas are just Technologies just like a microchip they're all just Technologies so okay I I it still still kind of begs a question

Andrew WilsonI don't really understand why we would be hyperfocusing on toxic masculinity just because feminism is new that's part I don't

Dariaunderstand I mean I don't know I think it's not it shouldn't be focused on just toxic masculinity I think that toxic the case like you know I agree with your guys'

Kylie Hansenpoints that toxic femininity does need to be talked about more I've never said that I think it's honestly a bigger issue than people make it out to be I think that a lot of the times the

Kylie Hansenbiggest I think in a lot of instances too a lot of issues that women have can be attributed to other women in these instances but that's because it's like looked down upon

Dariaalmost by like the feminist whatever that would be cultur that it if you are a woman and you say something against feminism or what the

Dariathe like social Norm definition of it is then you're not on the side I don't know on the right side of of it I don't know

Kylie HansenI'm trying to like I think that a lot of times to insecure women will gain confidence by putting other women down and I think that's why it happens a lot of the time

Brian Atlasso it's just as bad as toxic masculinity it's not like I actually I just I found something kind of interesting I was just trying to Google I I did a Google search

Brian Atlasof toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article there's a full-on Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you

Brian Atlastry to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny which I think is

Mason Gregoireinteresting why using Wikipedia as your Source well I mean off sided but I mean getting like a societal consensus upon

Dariasomething Wikipedia is pretty useful I mean just any wikip information in there Brian how dare you think toxic feminity is a thing I think the first thing we were taught in school and was to check

Mason Gregoireyour sources no yeah I'm not saying Wikipedia is a obviously because there's no toxic femininity not very so UC hold on hold on so UCSB has a uh a uh

Brian Atlasfeminist studies program have you taken any feminism courses yes I have okay um how do you recall the name of the course or I took um feminist 181 it was applied

Brian Atlasfeminist theory was there a more introductory course that you took or that was the only feminist course you took I took um feminist 62 it was women of

Kylie Hansencolor so this used standpoint Theory what was that feminist standpoint theory in the upper division course yes I did it as a

Kylie Hanseng okay wait so but no like intro to is there an intro to feminism or anything like that well you take the lower Dives before you take upper Dives the lower Dives are considered your intro course before you get to the upper div course

Kylie Hansenwell you said the so you took the color what is it women of color class is a lower div it's introductory before the higher level so you took that one and then you took the applied yes feminism what is applied feminism what is that

Kylie Hansenapplied feminist theory is applying theories that center around the perspectives of women and using that as a lens to view issues in society so this can go with any Theory you could do this

Kylie Hansenwith Marxist theory anything you can it's just using a theoretical lens to view an issue in this point the standpoint lens

Brian Atlasyes yeah okay and I mean so you you took issue with me citing to Wikipedia kind of redirecting toxic femininity to this

Brian Atlasterm internalized sexism but isn't this a term that feminists use internalize sexism or internalize misogyny yeah I have used that I have heard that news before so it's replaced you don't use

Brian Atlasinternalized or excuse me you don't use toxic femininity you used internalized sexism or misogyny um no I would probably use toxic

Brian Atlasfemininity to be honest is is toxic femininity uh focused on in uh feminist studies I would say yes more so than

Brian Atlastoxic masculinity I would say equally so it yes I would say so okay and then what are some of the I mean do you guys talk about patriarchy patriarchy theory yes it's Ain I mean the whole thing is toxic

Andrew Wilsonfemininity ultimately right because it's standpoint Theory so the entire prism or lens in which you're looking at the feminism is only and specifically through the prism of

Kylie Hansenwomen it's looking at things through the perspective of women this would be the same as if but I will say that the have any of you guys taken like a feminist Theory course at all no I'm very

Brian Atlasfamiliar have you taken like a course or done like personal research personal research okay wait I I have one quick question here um you said looking at things through the lens of

Andrew Wilsonwomen looking at things through the perspectives of women yes that's that's what standpoint theory is standpoint theory is the prism the lens in which you're looking at the worldview in this

Kylie Hansencase the worldview is only coming from the perspective of women but like can this apply to math like is there a I mean if wanted it to I don't know how it would but we didn't focus on that I'm just curious I

Brian Atlasdon't know um I guess theoretically you could apply it to that okay and so but there is so you I mean you've taken these classes they talk about the patriarchy Theory is that correct yes they do talk about patriarchy and so

Brian Atlasgiven your experience in these classes how what's your sense of like can you define what that is what is the patriarchy what is the patriarchy Theory okay so the patriarchy is essentially

Kylie Hansenthe idea that women are inferior to men and it's a set of Notions ideas institutions that sustain this belief but I will say too these classes don't

Brian Atlasdemonize men I think that's a very common misconception okay I have to follow up with you on that though so you said also this uh this applied feminism thing it'll look at like Marxism for

Kylie Hansenexample I use that as another example of how applied Theory works I did not use Marxism in my class no that and not that's not really what I'm getting at

Brian Atlasbut the so my understanding with Marxism it's sort of uh it it looks at things from a lens of oppress or oppressed okay and my view my understanding of feminism

Brian Atlasand you mentioned patriarchy Theory isn't that precisely what patriarchy theory is that women are oppressed and men are the oppressors I think it's a little more

Kylie Hansencomplex than that I think it's the idea that so patriarchy isn't women being oppressed patriarchy is the idea that men are superior to

Kylie Hansenwomen and it's the ideas yes it leads to the oppression of women patriarchy itself is not the oppression of women patriarchy can take many different forms it's not always in the sole oppression

Brian Atlasof women okay but so are women oppressed under a patriarchy yes okay and who who if women as a group are oppressed there

Kylie Hansenmust be another group that is oppressing the women which is who it's often times men but the way that I have learned about it personally and this is my understanding of it I don't think it's

Andrew Wilsonyour understanding I think that are you going to say internalize massage that women have internalized let's let her finish go I would really like to not be interrupted while talking about this I know you

Andrew Wilsonwouldn't but I just wanted to predict it that's all you can hold your predictions until the end I appreciate goad goad well then it wouldn't be a prediction if I held it till the

Kylie Hansenend are you done I am thank you essentially patriarchy is a system of punishments and rewards anyone can women oppress other

Kylie Hansenwomen in these instances that is what toxic femininity is anyone can benefit off a system of patriarchy women will make little tiny Digs at other women and

Kylie Hansenthey'll gain slight respect of other men it comes in many different forms like for example like a woman just talking badly about like classic feminine traits like oh that's so girly oh I hate wearing makeup like I

Kylie Hansenwould never do that like women who wear makeup are insecure d d all these things when women say those things it gains the them some sort of Social Capital under a system of patriarchy anyone can benefit

Kylie Hansenfrom a system of patriarchy but it functions off the idea that men are superior to women so internalized misogyny not necessarily cuz it it's well if women are oppressing other women

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