RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

Date: 2024-07-08

Duration: 8h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie Hansen >

AAmy (Amy Is Show)>

CChase Carson >

DDaria (DT176)>

MMorgan (DT176)>

HHannah (DT176)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS / donation reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chase Carson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jess(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amy (Amy Is Show)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Daria(guest)

SPEAKER_13Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_14Kylie Hansen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteJess announces she is enlisting in the U.S. Marines at age 30. Explains motivation: lack of education, bartending at 30 feels embarrassing, wants structure and self-improvement.

“my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military... I leave in January”

QuoteJess discloses that her partner of 8.5 years died in 2019. She spent ~5 years grieving and in therapy before recently entering a new talking stage.

“my longest relationship is 8 and a half years... he has passed away since then he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life”

OtherMason Gregoire introduces himself as "primarily a Christ follower" before listing his occupation as mechanical engineer. Panel reacts. He states he is pursuing Air Force Special Warfare and is training for it.

“yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm primarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer”

ControversyMason explains why men prefer younger women: biological clock concerns, less emotional baggage, more open to deprogramming. States he would not date a woman over 30-32 due to accumulated baggage.

“I don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have all of this extra life baggage... I want to have a large family”

ControversyAmy states she would "question the mental health" of men attracted to women 20+ years younger and uses the word "predatory." Brian challenges her, calling the statement pathologizing of all men. Extended confrontation.

“I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone... if a man is 20 years older... you're praying on them”

OtherRAGE QUIT: Amy leaves after Brian calls her "retarded" during the age-gap debate. Amy had called men who pursue much younger women mentally ill / predatory. She dropped a prop, Brian escalated. Amy states she will not tolerate disrespect and leaves despite Andrew and others asking her to stay. Brian offers to apologize if she sits back down; she does not return.

“could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me retarded yeah I mean here's the tone policing again”

ControversyDaria and Jess respond to Amy's rage quit, noting that Amy had called all men "mentally ill" and "disgusting" before getting offended at being called a single slur. Panel broadly agrees Amy's departure lacked consistency.

“did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting... she called all men mentally ill she called but you got called”

QuoteHannah describes kicking a 28-year-old man out of her manual transmission car for not knowing what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive stick shift because she does not want to be more masculine than a man.

“and he was like why do you have three pedals I was like get the fuck out of my car... 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is”

ControversyBrian produces a Wikipedia search showing "toxic femininity" redirects to "internalized misogyny" while toxic masculinity has a full article. Used as evidence of asymmetric treatment of gender topics.

“I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you try to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny”

QuoteAndrew Wilson apologizes for leaving the show early citing an engagement in the morning. Thanks Brian, Mason, and the panel. Leaves before the show wraps.

“Brian Brian sorry to cut you off I got to get going I got an engagement early in the morning”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status

Host Brian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara. Guests introduce themselves: Kylie Hansen (21, Denver, UCSB nanny/student), Amy (34, LA, podcast host + Army vet), Chase Carson (27, SB, hospital nutrition staff, bisexual), Daria (30, LA/Iran, tattoo artist), Jess (30, Bay Area, bartender/Marine enlistee), Morgan (29, East Bay, lash tech), Hannah (26, Maryland, web designer), Mason Gregoire (28, AZ, mechanical engineer/AF aspirant), Andrew Wilson (remote, debate host). Discussion of talking stages, exclusivity norms, relationship status, and body counts.

Talking Stage Norms and Exclusivity

Brian asks Kylie about her talking stage — does it bother her if the man she is dating sleeps with other women? Kylie initially says it would not bother her; panel pushes back. Jess and Chase argue against multi-partner talking stages. Mason shares his exclusive, marriage-focused talking stage. Hannah and others discuss initiation norms.

Body Count Discussion

Chase discloses body count of ~20-21 (thought she meant roster, not lifetime). Had 4-5 simultaneous casual partners. Jess criticizes the concept of a roster. Chase defends experimentation. Daria and others share perspectives on casual sex norms.

Toby Maguire Age-Gap Debate and Amy Rage Quit

Discussion of Toby Maguire (49) dating Lily (20). Amy calls large age-gap men mentally ill / predatory. Brian challenges her position on logical grounds. Andrew Wilson and Mason engage. Extended meta-debate on eye-rolling, respect, and tone-policing. Brian calls Amy "retarded" after she drops her prop. Amy rage-quits at ~2:22:40 despite offers to apologize.

Wage Gap and Equal Pay

Discussion of equal pay for equal work. Chase and Daria struggle to articulate positions. Mason lays out statistics: men work longer hours, take fewer sick days, take harder jobs, work graveyard shifts. General agreement that same-work same-pay is fair; wage gap attributable to occupational choice and hours. Morgan notes women in male-dominated trades can additionally monetize their rarity via TikTok.

Who Should Pay on the First Date

Brian asks each panelist who should pay on a first date. Kylie: whoever asks (acknowledges men initiate ~90% of the time). Chase: 50/50 (only been on 2 formal first dates despite 20+ sexual partners). Hannah: women should offer; if man accepts the offer he is socially inept. Morgan and Daria give various takes. Panel discussion of the asymmetry between initiating and paying.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks whether panelists would rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods. Most women choose bear. Andrew Wilson challenges the predictability argument. Hannah and Daria defend bear preference based on past negative experiences with men. Mason argues most men are harmless; bear has only two options (ignore or kill). Hannah challenged by Andrew on how to make fire without tools — she decedes she cannot.

Men's Masculinity and Peter Pan Syndrome

Hannah shares pre-show notes about men avoiding provider/protector roles causing women to become more masculine, creating a cycle. Brian and Andrew engage with the argument. Discussion of fake vs. real masculinity, controlling behavior, and absent fathers.

She Will Not Date a Man Who Cannot Drive Stick

Hannah reveals she kicked a man out of her 1995 manual transmission car when he did not know what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive a stick shift — "I don't want to be more masculine than a man." Andrew confirms his daily car is also a manual transmission.

Therapy Debate

Brian asks whether men's hesitance to go to therapy is toxic masculinity. Kylie says it is culturally imposed. Brian says he is skeptical of talk therapy except for specific issues. Andrew asks whether therapy actually cures anything. Kylie describes managing anxiety via therapy tools. Mason suggests alternative outlets (building things, physical activity). General discussion of therapy as green flag on dating apps.

Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity

Brian asks whether toxic masculinity exists. Most say yes. Brian then asks about toxic femininity — same answer. Wikipedia search shows toxic femininity redirects to internalized misogyny. Kylie explains patriarchy theory and standpoint feminism from her UCSB feminist theory coursework. Panel generally agrees toxic femininity is underreported.

Feminist Theory and the Draft Debate

Extended debate between Kylie, Brian, Mason, and Andrew on whether feminism is about equality or equity. Brian argues feminism fights equality when it would benefit men (cites NOW opposing Florida's 50/50 custody presumption). Draft question: Kylie agrees women should probably be drafted for equality but hedges on equity framing. Hannah clearly states women should be drafted. Mason argues men and women are intrinsically different so equality of outcome is impossible. Andrew leaves at ~7:53:47.

Transcript

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Amy (Amy Is Show)that's fine just let let me clarify again first of all I did not say that if they're attracted to younger women is a problem I said if they're pursuing someone the same age as their daughter

Brian Atlasthat's weird that's weird and I I would be let me ask you a question let's say there's a 50-year-old man with a daughter and a 50-year-old Man Without a daughter is there any differentiation

Amy (Amy Is Show)no I I feel like that generation the I think like a 20 year Gap is so question answer the question what is your question what's the actual question a 50-year-old Man Without a daughter and a

Brian Atlas50-year-old man with a daughter they're the same age do you object to them both yes but it but he doesn't have a daughter I'm I'm saying the daughter's

Amy (Amy Is Show)agap it could be the daughter's age that large of an age Gap is gross to me it's gross and and the going back to the the mentally ill thing I don't I don't need you to agree with me I don't need you to

Amy (Amy Is Show)agree with me okay so it's mental it's a mental illness though for men to be attracted to like a 21-year-old not to be attracted but why are you why are you dating her why are you dating her yeah absolutely think last follow that I and

Andrew Wilsonthen I agree we've kind of beaten the dead horse right weird my last my last followup would you ever accept from me the argument that I do not condone lgbtq because I find it to be gross would you

Andrew Wilsonever say that that's okay that's your opinion opion that's your opinion so like if you yeah you wouldn't question my opinion though if I wanted to vote to legislate it or things like that then would you oppose it would I have to have

Andrew Wilsonjustifications for it it's your vote you can do whatever you want with your vote so you wouldn't even question it you would just say I have a problem with it or not I have a problem with it so what if somebody said that they didn't like other races because they find it icky would you say anything about their

Amy (Amy Is Show)opinion then again it's I'm talking about my opinion here I'm talking about my opinion so you have no no opinions about anybody else's opinions even if you disagree with them I didn't say I had an issue with them being attracted to younger women I said I have an issue

Andrew Wilsonwith them being with them pursuing the younger women you don't really ask question it gives you the I but if the argument is just it's ask your question Brian because I just did but if the argument is just it gives you the ick then I I don't couldn't I use that

Andrew Wilsonargument for basically any form of discrimination I could ever think of sure and would you have anything to say about that or would you just be like oh that's fine it's your opinion well I didn't come to argue first and foremost I didn't come to argue

Amy (Amy Is Show)or debate didn't come on to topics I did not come to argue so that's why I'm saying we should well did you just come to monologue I came to have a conversation not to argue that's

Amy (Amy Is Show)what we're doing that conversation's become adversarial no no we're not uh when you guys are laughing rolling your eyes like making statements and comments that basically try to invalidate my

Andrew Wilsonopinion and things like that what laughing wait wait hang on yes it's okay for me to make arguments that invalidate your opinion if I disagree with with it one and two you think that we have the Monopoly on eye rolling in this

Amy (Amy Is Show)conversation really there's a if you're having just like a regular conversation there's a respect level we're exchanging ideas but that's not what's happening here not what's happening here it's like like

Andrew Wilsonthree four people at a time jumping in to like basically invalidate that person's opinion yeah what if their opinion is wrong and you wanted to invalidate like for instance if you were a racist who just said I don't like I don't like x- race because I find it

Andrew Wilsonicky what would be wrong with four of us jumping in and going back and forth with that person one at a time in order to invalidate a bad opinion they're two completely different topics no the logic

Andrew Wilsonis exactly the same the justification not the same they're different topics but the logic of ick is ick yeah that's it

Chase Carsonuh anyways did you give an answer yes did we get an answer yes what was it I think it's to each their own as

Darialong as they're consenting adults okay so no issues with Toby McGuire 49 dating 20-year-old Lily no okay your thoughts yeah I don't have I don't think that's weird or anything like that I mean okay

Jessyou're fine with it I don't care they're adults they want to do it wait can you just scoot your mic to the edge of the table they're adults they can do what they want to do

Hannahshe's 21 apparently it's adult you should probably scoot your chair in so no problem with it I could not care

Andrew Wilsonless women tend to mature quicker than men anyways I would not date anybody my age did you guys just show up what about their Abdullah ablang I mean their prefrontal cortex though did you ever

Andrew Wilsonthink about that what about their free frontal C never even thought about that did you you just thought well they mature faster see that's not having a conversation Brian that's where now you're being

Andrew WilsonA J I know that you're allergic to laughter and having any sort of a good time but you know it was it was clearly a joke that's where you're like being disrespectful that was the opposite of

Andrew Wilsondisrespect I was making fun of you by by laughing with her I but yeah okay did you have any further

Mason Gregoirethoughts on the yeah no I tell me Mo here I think there are other reasons besides mental illness that a man would be interested in dating someone who's younger my roommate and I discuss this

Mason Gregoiretopic regularly where we we don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have

Mason Gregoireall of this extra life baggage like why are you why have you matured now what took you so long in your life to be like okay now I'm going to start considering

Mason Gregoiremarriage specifically two I'm wondering uh am I going to be able to actually have a family with you I know women have a clock and it's ticking I want to have

Mason Gregoirea bunch of kids I want to have a large family that's really important to me I don't want to spend uh the first 5 to 10 years of my marriage deprogramming all of that emotional baggage all of that

Mason Gregoiretrauma all of that whatever uh word you want to use whatever uh buzzword I don't want to have to spend all that time doing that at the same time as trying to

Mason Gregoireraise a family maybe having your emotional trauma baggage poured into the kids into those impressionable Minds I don't have to deal with that so I understand why a man any age whether

Mason Gregoirethat's 49 whether that's 20 would want to date a woman who's a little younger it makes sense and there are other reasons besides mental illness that they would want to do

Amy (Amy Is Show)so okay do you want to walk back the mental illness thing or you're pretty confident I said that I'd be wondering what's going on with them mentally that

Amy (Amy Is Show)they would be attracted to someone 20 years they junior so no I'm not attracted cuz before you said D to like to be but you just said if they're attracted to yeah I me so just by virtue

Amy (Amy Is Show)of being attracted to a 21y old woman listen I'll go in a little bit further here okay when I have conversations with people that are 20 years younger than me or or let's say

Amy (Amy Is Show)you know just to keep it like at 20 right sorry what oh nothing um I I'm looking at them as like they're immature they're not experienced in any way shape or form they're they're vulnerable

Amy (Amy Is Show)they're impressionable right they're Eyes Wide Open dear in the headlight right to me if a man is 20 years older and by the way somebody said in hear that chat right there like like 30 30 is appropriate but I'm talking about early

Amy (Amy Is Show)20s they're barely out of high school and if you're going to consider like one being with them having a relationship with them settling down with them Etc like you're praying on them it's like

Amy (Amy Is Show)they're they're so they're not even on the same level as you like what do you have in common with someone 20 years your Junior they probably can't even name a pop artist from your generation there's a whole lot there you

Brian Atlassaid pray you mentioned the commonality thing okay what in general do men and women have in common to begin with that that hold on that would be sufficient

Brian Atlasenough to just on the basis of having a commonality would be like I wanting to date this person just on the basis of us having [ __ ] in common

Brian Atlassaid no one ever that's not true Brian not true have you ever known a guy have you ever known a guy who you had the most in common with but you didn't end up dating them yes I mean I have friends

Brian Atlasthat I have that I have a lot in common with we because there's chemistry and sexual attraction it's clear but would you agree it's clear then that having commonalities is not high in the totem

Brian Atlaspole of matters I disagree I disagree you mentioned pop artists I don't give a [ __ ] what kind of music a girl listens to and if she's dating me long enough she's going to like my [ __ ] that's so weird

Amy (Amy Is Show)that you would like suggest that she would have to like your [ __ ] like that's not what I said but she will that's not what I said will she will yeah just

Amy (Amy Is Show)disagree I think a 20 agap I just think a 20e age Gap is wild artist I brought it up as like an example like it's it's just a random example so then cultural

Amy (Amy Is Show)touchstones oh we we watch the same shows we we both listen to the same music like the same I think having things in if all you care about is your sexual attraction period and that's

Brian Atlaswhere I just want to clarify I just want to clarify clarify I think liking the same music is far more superficial than what you're trying to suggest hereby there's a sexual the sexual

Amy (Amy Is Show)component who your favorite pop artist is same music it's just one example of having something in common what are some things in common that would warrant me to date somebody I think you should have a lot of things in common I think you should enjoy doing the same things going

Morganto the same places hanging out with the same people only thing really is like morals maybe no no no I'm not disagreeing or

Morganagreeing with either but I'm saying as far as agreements the only thing I could see that would make sense to me personally would be maybe morals religious typ if you're a religious

Brian Atlasperson maybe religion you could but but there's nothing having good morals and having a hold on let me finish hold on let me finish having good morals and

Morganhaving a uh a religious worldview you could be you could be 21 no 100% involved in your faith you could be 45 and be an atheist 100% I'm just saying that's the only thing as far as

Morganyou want you're not speaking into I'm just saying as far as being agreeable or having things in common that's the only thing I could see as far as being justifiable of wanting to have those things

Morganagreeable being in the same things in alignment as far as morals and religion but I'm not saying you have to be the same age no yeah I'm not saying that has to be make an argument for the

Jesscommonality component here but don't you want to date people that they they're going to teach you something don't I mean not Tau not teach you something but not teach you something not teach you

Jesssomething I guess that was the right word that wasn't the right word that wasn't the right word so like you like that kind of music cuz that's what she brought up you like that kind of music I like this kind I've never heard that sure let me hear it you

Dariawant to do that sure it's a commonality doesn't have to be I think it's a commonality though I it's more of just being in agreeance with sharing why do Opposites Attract though

Brian Atlaswhy is that a thing like the there some people have something and then the other person completes that and it that turns into a m wait so just to be clear so commonality that's super important

Brian Atlashaving things in common I don't think it's important I don't think you think for both for either men or women people are looking at like oh we have so much in common if that were the case you

Amy (Amy Is Show)would be if commonality was really up there wouldn't people sort for that are so first of all when you ask me these questions like the whole like smug like I know better I know like I already

Amy (Amy Is Show)disagree with you but you're asking to make okay go to hold I'm going to finish something I'm going to finish something just really having a conversation if that's what we're doing we're having a conversation let's have a conversation to be open to

Amy (Amy Is Show)other people's ideas and opinions and Views and walks of life that's not you're doing so am I and I'm I'm open I'm actually open to having my mind changed we can we can have like a volley of conversation but like the whole where

Amy (Amy Is Show)I have an issue with these these types of conversations is when you already are getting ready to just to make a point to like flip I'm already ready exactly exactly but it's like you're not even like open for the conversation so why

Andrew Wilsonare you asking listen I think that's a fair criticism so so I'm going to so I'll tell you I'm totally open to having my mind changed in fact I hate cognitive dissonance that's a a thing that I despise I try to

Andrew Wilsonget rid of as much cognitive dissonance in myself as I possibly can totally open to having my mind changed that's why I love having combos like this absolutely but the thing is are you willing to have

Andrew Wilsonyour mind changed I would be open to it for sure but what where I'm specifically referencing how can we do that if we don't hang on I'm almost done how I just wanted a quick yes or not to that and the reason here's why if you're open to

Andrew Wilsonhaving your mind changed and we're having this conversation how in the world could I change your mind without showing you if we if we apply this kind of thinking or the rigidity in thinking

Andrew Wilsonof I got the ick and then take it to its logical conclusion and you see that the position itself is absurd how else can I get you to change your mind can you can you actually explain that to me I actually do want to know the answer to

Amy (Amy Is Show)that absolutely so I think it's really difficult for you to completely change the topic in the sake of parallel ideas you should just stay on the actual topic and maybe ask onion layer peeling questions about how did I get to that

Amy (Amy Is Show)logic so then you would understand where I'm coming from and you could even have an intelligent conversation in where maybe there's holes in my Logic on that topic let great then let's start with

Amy (Amy Is Show)how did you come to the position the position that a age Gap relationship is n I'm going to answer that I I will answer that one second but I want to

Amy (Amy Is Show)finish what I was saying to Brian like see like rolling your eyes shaking your head because it's a meta conversation no it's not meta just being a do you know what a meta conversation is I sure do what is it a meta conversation was where

Amy (Amy Is Show)you're just ice layering on top of each other where you're not actually addressing the topic is conversation is a conversation about the conversation yeah that's exactly what I meant by the layering you're talking about the same thing so

Amy (Amy Is Show)what I want to what what I want to like I think it's really important to address we all drove here and came here for your show right okay meta conversation you're literally having a meta conversation that's fine that's fine yeah but if we're going to have a conversation we

Brian Atlascan have a conversation but when you're being disrespectful that's not a conversation well see when it comes to the eye rolling when it comes to the eye rolling see perhaps you might view it as disrespectful but for example if

Brian Atlassomebody were to say Brian I want to argue with you about the fact that I think that the sky is red but I don't want to argue at all I already said that

Brian Atlasokay if if somebody says something ridiculous to so ridiculous that it warrants an eye roll I don't see any actual objection there if somebody's

Brian Atlasgoing to say Brian the sky is not blue I don't even know how to have that conversation and some of the eye roll comes from you saying I mean I actually

Brian Atlasfind it quite almost despicable that you want to paint men you said men pray men are predators men are mentally uh you would question their mental health I

Brian Atlasmean that's very objectionable language because you're essentially painting almost most or all men as uh having a pathology which I object to and I find ludicrous and when it comes to this

Brian Atlascommonality thing I just find that absurd I mean why even engage in it because it's just ridiculous if you genuinely think that commonality is high on the totem pole in terms of what people find attractive I completely

Brian Atlasdisagree with you if you disagree that in terms of my assessment of what You' said you've pathologized all men or most men you think they're predatory you think they're you said pray I said there

Brian Atlas20 plus your age Gap be clear 20 plus age Gap yes that's the context of which I'm addressing this did you say the word pray M when there's a 20e age Gap yes

Brian Atlasokay so but you also had said it about even men who find them attractive you did say that too yeah I think it's weird why would you okay and you think it's

Brian Atlaspredatory you think they're praying you think they're praying right so you're

Brian Atlaspathologizing so there's the justification for my eye roll it's just an absurd statement well that's my opinion well trying to get into

Andrew Wilsonthis okay it's it's listen it's perfectly acceptable to have and I do want to hear it like that's why I come on these shows cuz I enjoy hearing your

Andrew Wilsonopinions the reason that I enjoy hearing your opinions is because often and I've had to change my mind multiple times about different positions that I've had uh especially after starting whatever because I didn't know very much about

Andrew Wilsonmodern dating I didn't know very much about how this stuff went at all and I've I've been forced to change my opinions many times because I was suffering from cognitive dissonance there's no doubt about it uh there was many things which I had completely

Andrew Wilsonskewed view view on that I no longer do after engaging in these panels so I do want to hear your opinion but I think you got to listen to ours as well I think that that's kind of the fair exchange so my Olive Branch here is like

Andrew Wilsonlook we've engaged before right and you know that if you give me your opinion you're genuine I'm going to give I'm I'm I am going to deconstruct it a bit but we don't even have to have be disrespectful but we just go through the

Amy (Amy Is Show)opinion and figure this thing out yeah I I agree with everything that you just said when it's done respectfully but when it's like it's so clear like we're not even having a conversation Poli come don't tell him don't tell him police

Mason Gregoirethat's just it's policing well what's happening right now what ice what I perceive is happening right now is you unwilling to engage with the argument because you're feeling

Mason Gregoireoffended by the tone whereas you could be generous to the other person maybe you could even say Brian's a little immature in his delivery that's fine but if you're a mature adult willing to

Mason Gregoireengage with the actual argument that's being osed I can put away the immaturity I can put away the disrespect I've had plenty of people on panels before really

Mason Gregoiredisrespect me and how they say things but I still genuinely engage with the argument that's being presented to me regardless of how they say it and I think you should be able to do that as a

Mason Gregoiremature adult now I'm just I'm giving this as like a critique to your argumentation style so instead of attacking

Morgansomebody because of the way they say things ATT I attacked him well you're so you're okay maybe I don't want to say the word attack okay I think women have a hard time sometimes adting that

Mason Gregoirethey're wrong well see there it goes again well there it goes again does because I use the word attack you are unwilling to engage with what I'm saying right now so maybe instead of so if I

Mason Gregoiresay attack maybe you can translate in that your mind to say okay maybe he's making a an argument or we're having a spirited discussion maybe I'm not going

Mason Gregoireto judge him based on the tone or the words he says maybe I want to interpret the the meaning he's trying to get across with saying what he's saying it's just it's a really immature way to go

Mason Gregoireabout having a discussion with somebody judging them based upon the verbage the language and the tone of what they're using I got this i got this okay dly noted anyways why don't you engage with

Amy (Amy Is Show)Andrew go okay noted dly noted go ahead the I I do genuinely want to know how you came to this opinion well one I'm a woman who was once in her early 20s and

Amy (Amy Is Show)I did engage with and when I want to be clear I'm not saying sexually but like I did have conversations I did have men hitting on me I did you know work in environments Etc where there was a lot

Amy (Amy Is Show)of men that were acting predatorily because I was so young impressionable and easy to you know coher to do different things go different places Etc right I've had a lot lot of negative

Amy (Amy Is Show)experiences with men that are much older than me and if now that I'm older I my number one piece of advice to younger women is try to just keep it around the same age as you like I I don't think you know 20 years 30 years older than you is

Brian Atlasappropriate that's just my personal opinion from my personal Andrew I have something on this if okay yeah sure go ahead FR yeah so I mean so you mentioned

Brian Atlasthat you dated um men who were older and they were bad experiences yeah yeah don't doubt that at all uh but I also hear from women for example who date men

Brian Atlastheir own age and have also bad experiences so it's not clear to me that it really matters if you're trying to avoid bad

Brian Atlasexperiences uh I don't see really what age has to do with it a guy the same age as you can be just as or more abusive and controlling as an older guy younger

Amy (Amy Is Show)sure can I just uh again I my personal opinion based on my personal experiences is that there should be a smaller age Gap I say 10 years is roughly the max okay so I when you're guiding women

Andrew Wilsoncuz you said this was your number one piece of advice uh for younger women and I didn't get that wrong I'm not straw meting that right you did say that's your number one piece of advice yeah do

Amy (Amy Is Show)you usually guide them only via anecdote clarify what you mean like only your personal experience um I also you know I I take into account you know who that girl is

Amy (Amy Is Show)they're experience like you know a lot of different factors but in general young women who are in their early 20s fresh out of high school you know maybe newly going into college high

Andrew Wilsonschool oh when you graduate when you're 18 I mean fresh out of high schools two years ago that's that's not that fresh but okay fair enough all right well I mean

Andrew Wilsonwithin let's say within 5 years it's fresh like we'll just say that for the kind of like the sake of however it is that you feel but do do you understand so when when I talk to to different men

Andrew WilsonI don't actually give advice right um I I make sure not to because if I'm not intricately familiar with a person's personal situation I feel like I could actually make it worse if I gave them bad advice uh so I I tend to stay away

Andrew Wilsonfrom advice giving at all but one thing I do tell people and this is the one thing I'll tell anybody who uh who listens is there is a proper way to think there's a proper way to think and

Andrew Wilsonthere's an improper way to think and so when I listen to you kind of go through this what I'm looking for is H how is she thinking about this what why is she thinking about it this way and why is

Andrew Wilsonshe arriving at that conclusion because most people come to improper conclusions because they have not been taught to properly think so if we start with an anecdote of you have bad experience with

Andrew WilsonX that really doesn't mean [ __ ] ultimately right it would actually be improper thinking to say because I had negative experiences in field X that therefore other people are going to have

Andrew Wilsonnegative experiences you would want to look at kind of the whole in order to make a good conclusion before you were to give somebody advice right you would

Amy (Amy Is Show)agree with that wouldn't you same as statistic um I I don't I don't really think it's that deep though Andrew I'm just more referring to you know when I

Amy (Amy Is Show)do have younger women approaching me and talking to me about their male situations you know I will go off of what they've shared and I will encourage them to date within their own age range

Andrew Wilsonwhich I ask you a question about that but I mean that has vast implications for a person's life right like I yeah I mean it does giving a person advice about who they should or

Andrew Wilsonshouldn't date has massive implications for the outcomes of their life well when I'm asked for my advice I am sometimes will give it not always and I understand that's okay there's plenty of people who

Andrew Wilsongive advice um you know when they're asked in this type of thing I tend not to but don't you think that if you're a person who does give advice that you should be coming to proper conclusions

Andrew Wilsonbefore you give it out sure yeah so when we're thinking so when we're thinking about this the reason that I'm gauging what you're saying and the reason I'm diving into what you're saying and the reason I want

Andrew Wilsonto change your mind about what it is that you're saying is because I think you're coming to an improper conclusion based on bad thinking and I think that I can assist with that and so that's why I want the opinion and

Andrew Wilsonwhy it is that you think this and if all you can say is it's Justified via ick there's no way in the world because you could justify anything with ick right you could justify any discriminatory

Andrew WilsonBehavior with ick you can justify hating women with ick you could justify hating men with ick you could justify anything with ick so that would be improper thinking wouldn't

Amy (Amy Is Show)it um I I don't know and Andrew I I'm this is again just my opinion what were you going to say my question is so when I sit there and I look at Mid my age

Hannahwhere I'm from most of them can't tell their left ass she from the right okay so when I sit there and I say I look at men 30 plus years old because they know what they want they've been through life they they're ready to settle down old

Hannahare you I'm sorry how old are you again 26 you're 26 okay that's 30 so 30 40 50y Old Men that's who I tend to look at right because they have their [ __ ] together they know what they want men in their 20s in their 30s they don't know

Hannahwhat they want typically it's very very rare to find that so I don't necessarily agree with your point of they should be closer together like I said women tend to

Hannahmature significantly quicker than men I know a lot of women in their 20s who are ready to settle down but the men aren't I have uh I have one question for you

Brian Atlaswould you prefer here's the scenario so a woman dates a man who's say she's uh 21 dates a 35-year-old do you just really quick do you object to

Amy (Amy Is Show)that age Gap it's getting a little out out there but it's not as bad yeah it's not as bad as 40 so let's say he's a good guy he wants a monogamous relationship doesn't cheat on her wants

Brian Atlaslong term or would you prefer to see that woman say in the period over the course of 2

Amy (Amy Is Show)years get kind of uh strung along by like [ __ ] boys her age which do you prefer I think if the guy is like genuinely a good guy and actually interested in her like for more than

Amy (Amy Is Show)just her physical looks and her appearance and the fact that she can pop out 20 babies like there's actually like care for her then I think that a 35 year old 21-year-old it's pushing it for my personal opinion but I think that that

Amy (Amy Is Show)to your point would be a better scenario than her does it change if she's 40 or sorry sorry it's excuse me does it change if he's 40 I just again I just wonder why like

Brian Atlasout of all no but okay so the question is in this scenario he's a good guy monogamous wants a long-term relationship questions for me right but would you rather see her in the

Brian Atlassituation with the older man who wants to have long-term Rel monogamous relationship with her is not going to cheek and be loyal or for her to just be hone

Amy (Amy Is Show)around and sleep with 20 20 Fat Boys her age which would you prefer to see I mean I prefer them both to be settled and

Amy (Amy Is Show)happy the question that's not the question there's there's so there's two options which would you prefer to see the the 21y old and the 35y old okay so

Amy (Amy Is Show)I Chang it to 40 so 21y I think it's starting to get weird at 40 but I do pr I know but I I was in the middle of saying I would prefer to see them both like settled and happy and again it's a little uncomfortable for me but I would

Amy (Amy Is Show)prefer that for both of them over her sleeping with men and him yes wait what do you mean well because um it's really common in these particular red pill settings that like um is this a red pill

Brian Atlassetting come on are you [ __ ] retardeds there I'm sorry what there was an option bro you anyways dropped the prop I didn't know it was going to come out well I mean probably shouldn't play

Amy (Amy Is Show)with props Brian you don't need to be so rude could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me [ __ ] [ __ ] cuz I mean you dropped the prop it's on the floor now you haven't done anything to pick it up well I would but I'm a little distracted by you calling

Amy (Amy Is Show)me [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah I mean here's the tone policing again so is this a rage Quit I'm not rage quitting you're just so disrespectful like

Andrew Wilsonyouit hang on hang on listen it's hang on it's been super hostile let's let's finish the com you don't want to finish the combo I love you Andrew but I'm not going to [ __ ]

Daria[ __ ] it was kind of [ __ ] [ __ ] was also insulting the mental illness was a little don't want to hear the can I make a quick serious with me girl well

Brian Atlasyeah know hey it happens I can agree with you yo uh Desmond you can't be you can't be on your phone right now man uh are

Dariawe happy birthday to you I'm just kidding no are we off the topic or can can I still comment on

Hannahthis what happened to that doesn't exist anymore we need to start bullying people again buling I know bullying back some people need some thicker

Jessskin what's up everything makes my eyes well I'm going to tell you right now you can tell me you hate chicken and I'll be like well that's dumb but that's just my

Brian Atlasface I mean we need you to we need you to leave we need you to leave you can't just be hanging out back there I'm putting my shoes on okay un unless you want to come back

Andrew Wilsonparticipate in the panel you don't you can still come back participate in the panel come on you I know for sure you've heard way worse than anything that's on this panel we all here I don't know he

Brian Atlascan hear me tell you what I'll apologize for calling you a [ __ ] if you sit back down apologize for calling men mentally ill it'll be a genuine apology that's fair we I mean we were

Dariahaving a good time it was a good discussion honestly I would like to get back to it I mean did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting so I say that louder did she guys not comment on men being mentally ill and disgusting

Andrew Wilsonfor that that was yeah but I mean so what that's every feminist whoever's on the show I I just take it with a grain of salt at this point you guys I'm I'm willing to do an apology

Brian AtlasI'll do an ology yeah but you need to be respectful period that yeah it's just I don't know you're will to do that weren't you in the military like I'm just confused like isn't this sort of banter like are you really

Dariathat you you [ __ ] up our prop you [ __ ] up the prop it's not that big de we're arguing different ideas that's

Brian AtlasCo bro you're you're you're killing it in the tone policing apartment so you can sit back down or you can leave I mean yeah s honestly sit back down we

Andrew Wilsoncan get back to having com it was getting it was getting good she saidin she already gone gone uh I guess Morgan we're going

Dariato have you sitting in that chair I guess welcome to the panel Morgan y um before we this uh yeah all right well you know um can I say something yeah go

Dariaahead regarding that just like an opposite opinion at least I mean I I was 21 and one of my like most meaningful

Dariarelationships was with A 42-year-old man and he was not predatory he didn't make me do anything I didn't want to do he I

Dariafelt like I grew with that person more than anyone closer to my age and I've even dated people younger than me I've I've like kind of understood both

Dariasides of that aspect and it really doesn't mean like the age aspect is like the deciding factor of how like I don't know it's not gross unless it's you know

JessI mean we all know what like that level gets to gross people are gross people regardless of age exactly and it also kind of depends on the state of the woman whether you know when she's 20 21

Morganthe lifestyle she's lived are well that's the thing too is you get a lot of people saying that it's gross for a man to want to be a older older man to

Morganbe attracted to a a younger woman but yet there is very rarely I feel like any talk about women that seek out older men if you wouldn't mind in the mic can you

Andrew Wilsoncan you put your mouth in front of the mic itself because otherwise the audio sounds kind of funky on this end can you hear me better yeah I was saying that I I feel like

Morganit's there's I'm not saying it's never talked about but I feel like it's definitely not as common where you hear this talk a lot of basically it's icky

Morganand it's gross for older men to be attracted or seek out younger women but yet it's not as talked about where you

Morganget younger women sinking out older men for their resources and cuz let's let's be honest that's usually what why they're seeking out older men um because

Morganthey're more established they're more that's like a majority somebody says her mic I'm not saying there's anything they're saying her mic is not on mine or hers yeah there's there's

Andrew Wilsonsomething seriously wrong with the audio there with mine with yeah with just your mic specifically did she pull that down so what what it sounds like Brian is it sounds like she's kind of underwater a

Morganlittle bit can can you hear now just just yeah that sounds way better better it's her hands it might have been me might now it's back now it's back it's just that one

Andrew Wilsonmic for bro what do you want me to do I still think we need to talk about the [ __ ] thing I maybe um maybe you can switch seats with

Andrew Wilsonum that way got her mic I don't know I don't think switching wouldn't that doesn't that doesn't make sense um no no if she switched with helmet girl then cuz helmet girl you know what I mean then she has the mic the that's

Andrew Wilsonthat's all I'm saying can you hear me now Andrew why give her mine she has a name Andrew yeah I oh I'm sorry are you guys wearing name badges no like am I how many how

Andrew Wilsonmany names should I remember okay so here's what I'll do from now on it be Tiffany 1 Tiffany 2 Tiffany 3 Tiffany 4 Tiffany how about we just do would that make you feel better I want to be

TTS / donation readerBritney Brit wait what do you want me to do donated $200 I was drinking milk from a fresh bowl of cereal that I happened to spill

TTS / donation readeron my shirt I called myself a retardant and then proceeded to walk out on myself because I was so offended now that is

Dariameta that is pretty meta good for him bro quick little thing though like it like is the same thing

Darialike apply to like older women that go for younger men that seems pretty like normalized out and also calling men mentally ill and then getting called

Jessretardeds but you just called all men mentally whoa that's a really good point she called all men [ __ ] ill she called but you got called [ __ ] she

Unknown backgroundcalled all men [ __ ] but I say I call her [ __ ] and she's offended What the fu that's [ __ ] the G good catch good

Jesscatch yeah what's up what's up high 20 minutes ago so if you guys okay so

Brian Atlasevery man's mentally [ __ ] but she's not she that is very unrespectful I think she was digging I think she was

Morganlooking she was looking for just any pretext or justification to leave well no that's what I was kind of getting at with the fact that when I said women

Morganlike to not be wrong is okay that might have not been the best verb verbage of it but I feel like you get a lot and it's I

Morganfeel like it's more common in women than it is men where they don't like to admit wa so a bunch of people are saying the mic the mics are totally scuffed okay

Andrew Wilsonall of them all of them mics are cuz we switch audio no mic are on I'm listening check unless we're getting trolled like in the chat no you're not you're not

Andrew Wilsongetting troll I'm hearing what they want I mean I'm hearing it for sure I hear it on on white blow's mic and then I hear it on your mic and then everybody else's mic seems to be fine

Andrew Wilsonit's bizarre maybe cuz we even switched mic I gave her my mic yeah I know I know and it's it's still it's still like I

Brian Atlasdon't know why um you know what I think we just need to [ __ ] put back in the other audio mixer it's going to take 2

Brian Atlasminutes to do it but um party the only my only concern is if we unplug it then it's just like going to shut down the

Unknown backgroundpodcast we we lose audio completely intermission know in advance can I get I don't know what changes you're making I

Brian Atlasdon't know what changes you're making but I'm I think it's worse people are saying it's worse now uh people are saying it's worse now

Andrew WilsonAndrew is it worse now well no it it goes from bad to perfect to bad to perfect to bad to perfect like in and out mhm I think that's maybe depending on like I just

Brian Atlashave to make a decision on this we're going to go we're going to have to unplug everything and just go back to

Jessthe other mixer sweet so what that means is a champagne pop champagne pop let's do it so hold on let they all want a

Brian Atlaschampagne pop guys we brought a bottle of wine I think let me think about how exactly I want to do this already I'm we might even have to restart the stream at this point the

Brian Atlasaudio's been so frustrating which is you know what I'm going to I blame the audio for my Outburst in calling her a [ __ ] I've been [ __ ] I've been out of my seat trying

Brian Atlasto deal with this [ __ ] behind the scenes it's been a scuffed pre-show Karma she's outside right now unwiring alling taking any accountability I blame it on

Brian Atlasthe audio issues blame it on me I'm blaming yes I'll blame it on you too blame it on so okay we need to we're going to have to mute the audio it's going to take maybe two or 3 minutes to

Brian Atlasget everything switched back over I'm thinking it might be possible for us to just let Andrew talk that's a good idea so I want to try one thing really

Brian Atlasquick this is for the viewers Nick over there in the audio mixer in OBS you're going to put desktop audio on and you're going to mute audio my life

Brian Atlasnot yeah hold on wait guys stop stop stop stop hold on let me give him instructions so what you're going to do Nick to the right there's a red audio

Brian Atlasicon you're going to turn that on and then you're going to mute this audio and hold on before you do chat can you let us know if you can hear Andrew talking starting from

Unknown backgroundnow right now can anybody hear me is anybody out

Unknown backgroundthere excellent yeah if they can still hear you if I can still hear

Unknown backgroundyou

Unknown backgroundyeah yeah yeah it's done I'll I'll do it right now yep

Andrew Wilsonyeah fair enough fair enough so can we talk about the problem in improper thinking and how you can

Andrew Wilsoncome to the Absurd conclusion I could like I can see all these fine tattooed women here tonight all of them have it together they all come to good conclusions right everything from

Andrew Wilsonfishnet girl all the way over right they all come to Great conclusions because because they don't utilize rigidity in their thinking right they're

Andrew Wilsonwilling to go back to First root principles so that we can figure out out the core of these issues I mean look at them they're all having a fun everyone from backwards hat girl over to White tank top right I mean you guys don't have name tags what do you want me to

Andrew Wilsonsay you know you just say green shirt over here that would be fine too right wait wait it's not break time it's not break time you sit back I'm kidding

Andrew WilsonI'm joking I'm joking I'm kidding I'm [ __ ] around I'm just I'm just getting around I can't I can't hear you it's the best I'm having more fun right now you guys are talking all kinds of [ __ ] and I

Andrew Wilsoncan't hear a thing it's it's the greatest thing ever this is the greatest episode of whatever I've ever been on I can talk you can hear me and I can't hear a [ __ ] word

Andrew Wilsonyou say it's [Laughter]

Andrew Wilsonfantastic that's a really that's a super bad impression super bad impr for those of you who don't know cuz you you can't hear white blouse is attempting to make fun of me as I carry this show while

Andrew WilsonBrian takes care of the audio issues and she was just mocking me for having the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube and uh yeah that that wasn't

Andrew Wilsonthat wasn't very nice you know I'm gonna wait Andrew can you still hear us I can still hear you but my audience can't hear you don't worry about it and

Unknown backgroundneither can yours yeah

Unknown backgroundplays Charlie Sheen's brother and Two and a Half Men Alan yes he says that you look like

Unknown backgroundwhat

Andrew Wilsonwhat that's the most absurd [ __ ] that I've ever that's what a mean bastard what a mean bastard he's getting Kiki in the mail that's what's happening to him that's it's going to be some Revenge it's going

Andrew Wilsonto be there's going to be a blue-haired blowup doll in the mailbox that's what's happening it's right behind you by the way Kei right behind you yeah that's right

Unknown backgroundhorrible horrible to say mean yeah it's mean and cruel what does your dad think about your attat anyway

Andrew Wilsonyeah no no no it's it's under control Brian fix the audio we're good we're all good I was asking but I was just I was just asking when I got the lucky just for the sake just for the

Andrew Wilsonsake of asking what what your old man thought of that sleeve what he thought of the what does he think the sleeve for example he didn't really mind so much it was the

Andrew Wilsonlucky I just muted you nobody can hear a word you're saying it was the it was the lucky nobody gives a [ __ ] they don't give a [ __ ] it was the lucky UT okay Brian said for me to entertain

Andrew Wilsonthe stream he just jumped right in immediately you're trying to steal the whole show trying to take my Spotlight you kind of mean girl Behavior a little

Andrew Wilsonbit I'm teasing I'm teasing you go can uh can you hear us yeah I can hear you guys fine all right audio clean is the audio good I mean it's I'm assuming it's going to be better all right I put

Brian Atlaseverything back on everything should be back

Brian Atlason that was my moment she stole my I'm sorry this is not the moment for everybody to be [ __ ] up out of their seats Nick can you get people sitting again please hey guys come on let's go

Andrew Wilsonback intermission is over get back in your seats break time's over [Laughter] sweetheart

Brian Atlasokay all right guys um I'm pretty sure we have changed the audio um I don't know if it's uh

Brian Atlasfully fully okay um the audio might be lower than it was before but sounds a million times better Brian it should be

Brian Atlasmight be lower but it should be better if that makes sense um so talk closer uh I guess yeah got to use your big girl voices

Brian Atlasright you got to get right in there use use the booming voice um so welcome back

Brian Atlasguys um sorry for the audio issues throughout the show um it's clear to me that um we I don't

Brian Atlasknow I'm telling you that's not something it's not going to be something that I'm going to be able to delegate I mean I try to delegate tasks but um

Brian AtlasI'm gonna have to go in and figure it out myself um so I'll carry as usual um so

Brian Atlasokay no I'm just talking in general um so uh good um where were we I don't know we're

Brian Atlastalking about dating I guess um all right I'm G to read a couple chats actually Mason can you read

Mason Gregoirea couple for me yeah sure I got you let me see okay 44y old male here spent last 12 years taking care of a parent no kids never married if I wanted to get married

Mason Gregoireto start a family I'm looking for someone capable of having kids but if I did date at 20 early 30 something I'm icky what a moronic thing to

Jesssay I don't think we're not we're not allowed to call her names yeah exactly you are mentally ill ew

Brian Atlasjust want you to know that all right thank you all right pelagic six um she's used to being number one not today uh I think this is in reference to

Dariathe uh girl who uh yeah I think this is all going to be about her I mean any woman that uses that kind of terminology at that age is kind of I don't know questionable

Jessyeah she had a lot of logical things to say but that's not I did have some questions for her though before she left because she's not here so she had a

Jesschild so how she has a kid yeah she said that she had a like Teenage child old a 15-year-old and you're 34 so then who impregnated you when you were

Brian Atlas16 let me do the math damn I was say that's that's some quick Mass right there well yeah I mean she did say that she dated she when she was younger she dated older men so then who impregnated

Jessyou when you were 16 that's a question that I had and how come that you being a woman you being a single woman with not

Jessa husband but with a 15-year-old child at 34 as a like somebody your age but you want them to start over and start a family with you when you already have a kid what kind of baggage are you

Jessbringing when you had a kid when you were 16 that's obviously a troubled childhood so how can you say that it's also contradicting and do you get what

JessI'm say like how does how can you say that these men are mentally ill or Predator year old men are just getting started in their careers and buying

Jesshomes and doing all this do they want somebody with a 15-year-old kid that got impregnated when they were 16 what kind of morals and values did you have

Jessthat damn I wish she was here godam I just like that make that make sense for me if they're so mentally

Jessill I believe sheally which might be that and she believes that okay but then if they okay how mentally ill were you to get that's and that's something I strongly believe

Jessin you might think these men are mentally ill but as a woman how mentally ill are you to be wanting to be in that situation and I'm not saying that's right or wrong I'm not calling anybody mentally ill but I'm saying if he needs

Hannahtherapy so do you I'm saying it might not have been her choice because I believe she mentioned something about an essay which might be why she believes

Jessmen are mentally ill for but not why but not all of those situations are the same also another that's also I don't know her story I'm just trying to give her the doubt no I a th% agree but I'm just

Jesssaying for you to sit here with such a strong conviction and say these men have a problem you should be open as well to the idea come on at 15 having a kid I'm

Jessnot saying that you haven't sought therapy because I know a lot of women have and they've gone through issues and from we have all have things that have have gone in our lives that have created us to have

Jessissues how can you just blame them because because it's easier to blame somebody that isn't you see exactly because having a child

Jessat 16 years old I'm sorry that is people don't like to take responsibility for their actions that's probably my accountability Factor you saying all these people are mentally but you're not and you get mad why did you

Jessget so mad when somebody called you [ __ ] I'm not trying it's it's not fun it doesn't come down to like a man or a woman doing it we all kind yeah but it's easier but you know it men are

Mason Gregoirealways it's always their fault they did it it's them they're the problem they did this they do that why yeah well it's easier to be able to say something like that but it also takes away your power

Mason Gregoirepower to do anything about it because if the problem comes from somebody else then they have to take care of that problem that is in your life but if it is your own personal problem in dating

Mason Gregoirewhatever and it's not a problem that you created you don't have to take any accountability for it you have no power in fixing that said issue so yeah it's just regardless if you enter into a

Mason Gregoireconversation like this and are unwilling to engage with the logic the conversation be able to talk and be able to think maybe I have certain things

Jessthat I'm not uh perfectly reasonable with being unhealthy he's being unreasonable he's being attactive he's being by the way it wouldn't it wouldn't

Jessbe it wouldn't be 16 it' be 19 right oh 19 okay I mean that's still but I'm saying still you're in your teenage years and that to you dating somebody

Jessolder is Icky so regardless of that you're still saying those type of situations are icky but you were there in that situation at least Toby is just dating and for

Jesscalling Brian he's this he's combative he's all of these things you are also not willing to listen even your point she would not listen to you she would not listen to

Jesshim nothing it was her point and her Point only and that was that and then the second granted should he have called her [ __ ] no probably not but that's just kind of you know sometimes people

Jesssay that sometimes people say mean [ __ ] and they don't mean to say it but it kind of comes out and whatever it God said but how do you get to say that he said all this [ __ ] but you wouldn't even listen to him when he was just trying to

Andrew Wilsonbe like dude listen you're literally calling every man over I don't know I don't know about that he shouldn't have said X and she shouldn't you know I'm not willing to go there and gr I'm not

Andrew Wilsonsaying that I'm realistically it's I'm just being I'm being The Devil's Advocate on that because you know whatever she dropped his prop you know you don't drop a man's prop not just that Dr prop you're going to get CAU now

Andrew Wilsonlisten if I was there in studio and I dropped the prop Ryan probably would have arsed me it probably would have happened it probably would have happened let's I mean let's be real I just wouldn't have Rage Quit about it I would you know giv him the middle finger I

Jesswould have said f off like that that's the way it's supposed to go you know granted but I'm just saying like she was so strong in her opinions and you literally called every man [ __ ] so

Jessshe already called him [ __ ] so make that makes sense she just didn't use [ __ ] she just said me what did she say mentally ill mentally ill mentally ill

Jessand [ __ ] politically correct term yeah she used a politically correct term but when he said the real word she was like right somehow it's wrong hold on it's

Brian Atlaslike look okay theho it's never it it's never good to do it's a really nice prop you know it's a really nice prop it's a nice it's a

Brian Atlasnice prop don't even think about it's I'd be upset it's not the right I lost my cool I shouldn't have called her a [ __ ] was she being a [ __ ] yes but I should call you [ __ ]

Andrew WilsonI shouldn't have called her a [ __ ] I do want to I do want to maybe apologize I'd like to take this chance to apologize absolutely nobody all right so look there's a there's there's no

Andrew Wilsonapology no apology but she called you that not I'm not letting Brian apologize he's wrong in this no Brian's not apologizing she dropped it's a nice prop it really ties the table together with

Andrew Wilsonthe room you know it's it's pretty important I've been in that room many times and if you didn't have that particular prop you wouldn't even have a show it ties the room no show there would be no show and then don't and

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