RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

Date: 2024-07-08

Duration: 8h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie Hansen >

AAmy (Amy Is Show)>

CChase Carson >

DDaria (DT176)>

MMorgan (DT176)>

HHannah (DT176)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS / donation reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chase Carson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jess(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amy (Amy Is Show)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Daria(guest)

SPEAKER_13Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_14Kylie Hansen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteJess announces she is enlisting in the U.S. Marines at age 30. Explains motivation: lack of education, bartending at 30 feels embarrassing, wants structure and self-improvement.

“my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military... I leave in January”

QuoteJess discloses that her partner of 8.5 years died in 2019. She spent ~5 years grieving and in therapy before recently entering a new talking stage.

“my longest relationship is 8 and a half years... he has passed away since then he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life”

OtherMason Gregoire introduces himself as "primarily a Christ follower" before listing his occupation as mechanical engineer. Panel reacts. He states he is pursuing Air Force Special Warfare and is training for it.

“yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm primarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer”

ControversyMason explains why men prefer younger women: biological clock concerns, less emotional baggage, more open to deprogramming. States he would not date a woman over 30-32 due to accumulated baggage.

“I don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have all of this extra life baggage... I want to have a large family”

ControversyAmy states she would "question the mental health" of men attracted to women 20+ years younger and uses the word "predatory." Brian challenges her, calling the statement pathologizing of all men. Extended confrontation.

“I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone... if a man is 20 years older... you're praying on them”

OtherRAGE QUIT: Amy leaves after Brian calls her "retarded" during the age-gap debate. Amy had called men who pursue much younger women mentally ill / predatory. She dropped a prop, Brian escalated. Amy states she will not tolerate disrespect and leaves despite Andrew and others asking her to stay. Brian offers to apologize if she sits back down; she does not return.

“could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me retarded yeah I mean here's the tone policing again”

ControversyDaria and Jess respond to Amy's rage quit, noting that Amy had called all men "mentally ill" and "disgusting" before getting offended at being called a single slur. Panel broadly agrees Amy's departure lacked consistency.

“did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting... she called all men mentally ill she called but you got called”

QuoteHannah describes kicking a 28-year-old man out of her manual transmission car for not knowing what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive stick shift because she does not want to be more masculine than a man.

“and he was like why do you have three pedals I was like get the fuck out of my car... 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is”

ControversyBrian produces a Wikipedia search showing "toxic femininity" redirects to "internalized misogyny" while toxic masculinity has a full article. Used as evidence of asymmetric treatment of gender topics.

“I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you try to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny”

QuoteAndrew Wilson apologizes for leaving the show early citing an engagement in the morning. Thanks Brian, Mason, and the panel. Leaves before the show wraps.

“Brian Brian sorry to cut you off I got to get going I got an engagement early in the morning”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status

Host Brian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara. Guests introduce themselves: Kylie Hansen (21, Denver, UCSB nanny/student), Amy (34, LA, podcast host + Army vet), Chase Carson (27, SB, hospital nutrition staff, bisexual), Daria (30, LA/Iran, tattoo artist), Jess (30, Bay Area, bartender/Marine enlistee), Morgan (29, East Bay, lash tech), Hannah (26, Maryland, web designer), Mason Gregoire (28, AZ, mechanical engineer/AF aspirant), Andrew Wilson (remote, debate host). Discussion of talking stages, exclusivity norms, relationship status, and body counts.

Talking Stage Norms and Exclusivity

Brian asks Kylie about her talking stage — does it bother her if the man she is dating sleeps with other women? Kylie initially says it would not bother her; panel pushes back. Jess and Chase argue against multi-partner talking stages. Mason shares his exclusive, marriage-focused talking stage. Hannah and others discuss initiation norms.

Body Count Discussion

Chase discloses body count of ~20-21 (thought she meant roster, not lifetime). Had 4-5 simultaneous casual partners. Jess criticizes the concept of a roster. Chase defends experimentation. Daria and others share perspectives on casual sex norms.

Toby Maguire Age-Gap Debate and Amy Rage Quit

Discussion of Toby Maguire (49) dating Lily (20). Amy calls large age-gap men mentally ill / predatory. Brian challenges her position on logical grounds. Andrew Wilson and Mason engage. Extended meta-debate on eye-rolling, respect, and tone-policing. Brian calls Amy "retarded" after she drops her prop. Amy rage-quits at ~2:22:40 despite offers to apologize.

Wage Gap and Equal Pay

Discussion of equal pay for equal work. Chase and Daria struggle to articulate positions. Mason lays out statistics: men work longer hours, take fewer sick days, take harder jobs, work graveyard shifts. General agreement that same-work same-pay is fair; wage gap attributable to occupational choice and hours. Morgan notes women in male-dominated trades can additionally monetize their rarity via TikTok.

Who Should Pay on the First Date

Brian asks each panelist who should pay on a first date. Kylie: whoever asks (acknowledges men initiate ~90% of the time). Chase: 50/50 (only been on 2 formal first dates despite 20+ sexual partners). Hannah: women should offer; if man accepts the offer he is socially inept. Morgan and Daria give various takes. Panel discussion of the asymmetry between initiating and paying.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks whether panelists would rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods. Most women choose bear. Andrew Wilson challenges the predictability argument. Hannah and Daria defend bear preference based on past negative experiences with men. Mason argues most men are harmless; bear has only two options (ignore or kill). Hannah challenged by Andrew on how to make fire without tools — she decedes she cannot.

Men's Masculinity and Peter Pan Syndrome

Hannah shares pre-show notes about men avoiding provider/protector roles causing women to become more masculine, creating a cycle. Brian and Andrew engage with the argument. Discussion of fake vs. real masculinity, controlling behavior, and absent fathers.

She Will Not Date a Man Who Cannot Drive Stick

Hannah reveals she kicked a man out of her 1995 manual transmission car when he did not know what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive a stick shift — "I don't want to be more masculine than a man." Andrew confirms his daily car is also a manual transmission.

Therapy Debate

Brian asks whether men's hesitance to go to therapy is toxic masculinity. Kylie says it is culturally imposed. Brian says he is skeptical of talk therapy except for specific issues. Andrew asks whether therapy actually cures anything. Kylie describes managing anxiety via therapy tools. Mason suggests alternative outlets (building things, physical activity). General discussion of therapy as green flag on dating apps.

Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity

Brian asks whether toxic masculinity exists. Most say yes. Brian then asks about toxic femininity — same answer. Wikipedia search shows toxic femininity redirects to internalized misogyny. Kylie explains patriarchy theory and standpoint feminism from her UCSB feminist theory coursework. Panel generally agrees toxic femininity is underreported.

Feminist Theory and the Draft Debate

Extended debate between Kylie, Brian, Mason, and Andrew on whether feminism is about equality or equity. Brian argues feminism fights equality when it would benefit men (cites NOW opposing Florida's 50/50 custody presumption). Draft question: Kylie agrees women should probably be drafted for equality but hedges on equity framing. Hannah clearly states women should be drafted. Mason argues men and women are intrinsically different so equality of outcome is impossible. Andrew leaves at ~7:53:47.

Transcript

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Jessdon't say like well I drove 2 and 1 half hours to be here we I have I've got on an airplane today to be here I got out of my pajamas for this

Jessdamn it that's czy go Andrew thank you thank but I'm just saying some of us have come a long way so what we decided to be here we

Jesschose to take this day of Our Lives to be here we all knew the situation while coming on the show whether it be positive negative we all knew what we were doing so to get that upset for a

Jesssimple well she's been on before hasn't she it's just kind of crazy yeah she's been on before she's been but you knew what you were getting yourself into so to get that upset is just kind of unreasonable to be

Brian Atlashonest with you well I look okay I know Andrew's like trying to gas me up here I should I should I shouldn't have called a [ __ ] okay I was already tilted even before the show started we had three like three no shows no offense to you

Brian Atlasyou were an hour late we started the late we started the show late we having audio issues um just like a whole bunch of kind of annoying things before the show that was a little and um yeah you

Brian Atlaswere an now late it's okay but not really but uh yeah I think accountability at least you know so shouldn't have called her that shouldn't have called her that although I do kind of question like I mean in the mil wait

Andrew Wilsonyou didn't call her that you asked a simple question oh I didn't make you didn't make a declarative statement you just said are you oh I didn't say oh okay then it's fine yeah you said are

Hannahyou milary she should definitely have thicker skin she deserve to be I was going to say like as someone who works with the military that's that's nothing they call in the Army literally who are you

Mason Gregoiretalking to she wanted a virtue signal and make a big she she just wanted okay plus the ultimate sign of like I am in the superior point of view because you're saying such outlandish

Brian Atlasthings that I must leave I don't like that Port portrayal of a feminism well I'm not a feminist the whole thing it was particularly icky in

Brian Atlasmy opinion this is I think this is a this is almost like a dating try to trying to bring it back to dating this is this is almost a Trope that you will encounter if you're having an argument with your significant other like your

Brian Atlasgirlfriend will like stab you in the side continuously with some [ __ ] and then you'll say like one thing call her a [ __ ] and then it's just oh my God she'll be talking your dad is [ __ ] she

Brian Atlaswill like do these little a girl will [ __ ] women love to throw the low blows blow the [ __ ] and then you just you just call her a [ __ ] then it's just like they know they can't get you

Jessphysically by the way I'm not saying don't call don't don't call don't call your girlfriend a bit but if we're talking about dating and she was so keen on this so what qualifies a high quality

Jessman that's what I wanted to know from her you were so adamant on everything of what a high quality man was and I talked to high quality man what's a high quality man to like what do you mean

Mason Gregoirelike oh a high quality man wouldn't do this a high quality man wouldn't do what for her to just be the most judgmental okay so what was what I saw in her

Mason Gregoirearguments continually was she was receiving from us uh a bunch of quality arguments hey your logic is flawed here yeah and instead of engaging with the argument this I look for the same thing

Mason Gregoirewhen I'm dating somebody instead of GA engaging with a difficult conversation maybe I disagree with you the IM immediate response was uh what you're doing is mean it's offensive you need to

Mason Gregoirechange how you do things that hurt my feelings and that doesn't align with my because personal if you want to be right you must do things in a way that I deem necessary and okay no maybe this other person's a different person than you

Mason Gregoiremaybe they have a good point and you should engage with that conversation if I'm dating somebody I want them to be in the position where they can interpret what I'm trying to say as I told her interpret with a meaning regardless of

Andrew Wilsonthe verbage I'm using trying to diagnose exactly what I mean and respond to that and take out your personal Brian did you know she almost ra when I was on access Vegas with her

Jessshe almost Rage Quit there too so I also has a question uh for Brian Mason what's a high quality man I'm so I I would like or you know what not even you guys cuz you're

Jessman women what is a high quality man because she was so as high quality man they do this they do that they do this because there is so many different

Jessvariations of high quality men whether it's you know is it because he's like financially sad or does does financially making them high quality men does the fact that he lets me acts this way act

Jessmake him a high quality man lets me you know like what do you what is a high quality to her probably somebody agreeable well I think she said she was religious so maybe that so Jesus man because all

JessJesus men are literally high quality men let's be real I'm not sorry but I mean come on now the real not all of them are sorry it's got mathematically impossible I actually I agree with that that goes

Dariaacross don't even say that only because they're religious that goes across like all types of people I've been really I've been really nasty to Nick so Nick gets to get drunk during the show

Brian Atlaschug chug chug no actually you you want chug with me you have no I've been very I've been very sassy to Nick Nick I'm sorry for being sassy

Brian Atlastowards you Nick the ball together you have to drink the whole thing though okay here we go Nick here we go oh he's

Morganchugging that was fast what a man Nick's been do if

Jesscan I get you chugged your beer high quality there you are your probably good job what makes high quality is what I want

Mason Gregoireto know Nick and Brian kissing and Mak themselves so

Mason Gregoirebeautiful Bri Bri going to have some sorry I got to uh I got to comment on what's happening cuz you can't see it can ask a question to the

Hannahpanel your man comes over for the first time what are you cooking them your man oh I like this question for the first time your man comes over I think I would do salmon Dude tell me why

Andrew WilsonI men don't eat salmon like that guys one at a time the audience can't hear anything sorry men don't eat salmon like that yes they do yes they do who said salmon who said you're cooking salmon

Kylie Hansenthe first time they come over me I'm a I'm a big fan of salmon I will not be taking any that's kind of fancy I like salmon a little roasted vegetable and depending on what type of guy he is either mashed

Kylie Hansenpotatoes or like a little couscous little little carb on the side Ador s my favorite well but like Girl food is better than boy food like I want to eat my Sal with vegies but he's going to your house for the first time you're

Hannahcooking for him not you you got to do a little Ste every vegetables it's a goodal I wouldn't go with mashed potatoes I would go with

Kylie Hansencouscous I apprciate or like couscous salad yeah like a better of couscous with some like salmon on top crispy skin I agree and then I'm a big dessert gal

Andrew Wilsonand I recently learned how to make CH I'm no no no no you guys are [ __ ] there's two dishes too two dishes which are appropriate for the first time he comes over to eat you

Andrew Wilsonready you're never going to get any argument with these two dishes the first lasagna every on planet Earth loves lasag every man who exists loves lasagna and then second three stuff ravioli

Hannahevery man on Earth loves that okay you have to have like a roast lamb never some like Thomas some like

Hannahtarer you got to throw some like Tu on that that's what you got to

Mason Gregoiredo it's hard to mess up you can mess up a steak uh I will I'll still eat it but you know you have test that's fair enough fair enough but you know be like Oh I'm going to give you something easy to make mhm you know the

Dariafirst time lure me in with something easy to make next time maybe flaunt your skills I don't know well yeah okay what about this I can only really cook like Persian food oh they say mac and cheese

DariaI mean that that's I can really spice up with mac and cheese too but I can spice up with mac and cheese I think that's a good person I think that's like effort no Persian food is good well yeah I mean

Dariayeah what's everybody's body count get back starting withon that diversion was Immaculate wow yeah so my

Morganbody count is zero I feel like we've established that yeah but you know yeah I'm going to skip that all power to you I swear I'll give the same answer I gave

Morganlast time I'm in the teens oh are you I'm in the teens legal or uh not legal what do you mean legal it was a

Jessjoke I got it oh it's my turn huh I believe the fifth I don't know

Jesslike six I think six or seven I think six but I'm 30 so yeah six I'm I don't know I don't know I don't keep

Dariacount range range uh maybe around the 20s okay 21 and growing thank all right love the H

Brian Atlaswelcome back to the conversation one skip digital footprint you want to give us a range skip digital footprint skip digital footprint okay good to know

Dariagood to know cool I don't know why I brought it there but I don't know you guys were talking about that was a good diversion honing extra garlic talking about he's like [ __ ] this couscous

Jesswhat's your body H I thought that was a good question wait last though I lik your addition we already she's in the military right yes and that's how because that's how I got

Brian Atlasstarted on mine she said that and so I said mine they talk [ __ ] way more than just and just to be clear I did I didn't call her an arler I asked if she was one there's a difference I don't it is

Brian Atlasdifferent a little bit you were asking for clarification all right it's a little different it's a lot different all right all right let me get into some of my

Andrew Wilsonpre-show notes here so uh let's see here uh okay we talked about typical woman you say something like are you stupid and they go don't call me stupid well you didn't call them stupid you didn't

Andrew Wilsonsay they were stupid you asked a basic question you know people get so bent out of shape about yes I am stupid you knew it yeah okay what what what did you just internalized the joke yes I did I

Hannahinternalized everything yeah I am stupid my singular feel is her Mr let oh we do have to read a couple more chats here um Morgan can I have you uh

Morgan (off-panel)read oh hold on can you just read this one yeah poor young Jamie I mean Nick Brian is going to pull all of this drama on Nick's shoulders ashree Nick I mean

Morgan (off-panel)thank you desert J isn't he the one can you read this one drink here is a high value mature vul vulnerable question why doesn't James Bond fart in bed because

Morgan (off-panel)it doesn't blow his cover also for Andrew chat the that was so funny okay that was that was a good one the that's right the that was that's we'll go back

Andrew Wilsonto white blouse cuz she loves [Laughter]

Morgan (off-panel)the why are we speechless after that I's this one it's really simple she told a man high value that she had a lot of experience he told her that he valued

Morgan (off-panel)her experience so she could so he could sleep with her she now thinks men won't experience LOL all right thank you L paladins appreciate some of these came in a while

Morgan (off-panel)ago guys so uh just getting into some of these now I'm 38 divorced father of two hoping for more why are you why are you so upset with dudes dating younger women

Morgan (off-panel)to accomplish that she's going to leave anyways the ick we need a strong men

Brian Atlasleading children why would she leave who bgirl yeah yeah I I committed a cardinal sin of asking her if she's AR SL is that

Dariathis that's yeah least of the issue with the things she was saying say letter which you

Brian Atlaschest I think the panel is better now we're taking over we got something a little I think we got something a little weird going on with the audio is it a ghost there's a little

Brian Atlassomething strange going on with the audio it's like peeking I'm not sure why randomly um did you make any adjustments

Morganin OBS nick uh yes we made some adjustments we can check no wait what if you're a time crunch baby then

Brian Atlaswhat were the adjustments that you made uh for the other mixer like in the filters were the were they in the filters no I don't think Che like did

Brian Atlasyou make adjustments there no no huh but you saw how it like peaked Out full red that was weird I wonder if someone a noise tell it's that she out there okay

Andrew Wilsonwell I think it's it's fine I think it should be fine what's that David's talking [ __ ] about lasagna okay yeah just ignore those me who what who the [ __ ] would talk [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonabout lasagna what kind of man doesn't like Las everybody likes lasagna I'll read it right now he's saying something uh okay

Brian Atlasso we have oh okay uh chase chase you said you dated a guy in the KKK what

Chase Carsonwhat I have M so it was back when I lived in Sona sore up north sore Sonora okay good tell

Chase Carsonat the time trying to like you know what screw it I'll just continue swiping and I guess I was not paying attention at all and I went to the

Chase Carsonprofile and there is um Confederate flag in the background that doesn't mean he's KKK that just means that he also had other your mic to

Chase Carsonthe table did he have the outfit I still want to take my boobs I'm having he was with the Aran Brotherhood in one of in one word or another okay you can go

Unknown backgroundback I'm having just kind of think I put my is there a nip slip about don't don't touch

Brian Atlasit's totally fine yeah there was no nip slip but I mean it's hard to tell it looks like the titties are out but the titties are not out well anyway so just

Dariabecause he had a Confederate flag does not mean that he apparently there was other memorabilia things yes what were those

Chase Carsonmemorabilia went and said of of course I was hi when I message I like black guys oh what kind of and marijuana wait what

Chase Carsonall right that's i m the person that I had matched with he never messaged I kind of beat him to the punch that I like black guys I unmatched and nothing

Chase Carsonever since that doesn't mean he's did you go on a date with him or no that it was on dating app correct it was on a dating app it was on tender like back

Chase Carsonthen and he had he just had a photo with a Confederate flag yeah but it was Sonora so Sonora is kind of small individuals Christian likee some of them

Mason Gregoirewere like a little racist that's not true not that okay uh I'm not going to when I went to college when I went to college in the South I

Brian Atlasknew a lot of African-American guys who were all pro Confederacy yeah yeah and I moving on uh let's just uh okay it's not

Brian AtlasI'm not inclined to bite on this one so okay um you said in your Instagram Prof it says women right what does that

Brian Atlasmean like it doesn't say women's rights it says women right like as in women do you mean women are right I'm confused it

Chase Carsonwas a typo I was going to say what's the correction then women's rights okay I did not put an S I mean it basically means the same so what I'm just curious why it's

Chase Carsonin your Instagram bio what are you trying to kind of convey um the support I support women and I our rights

Chase Carsonand their rights you support women and their rights okay so do you consider yourself a feminist I believe what I want to believe but I don't slap a label on it what rights do you want women to have

Chase Carsonthat they don't have it's like Freedom over your body type of thing you have that why we have let her answer go ahead abortion rights okay okay um what

Chase Carsonanything else there's one but we cannot discuss it on the podcast because it has to do with one topic we can't talk about has are you talking about sa I'm

Chase Carsontalking p e d o h okay so I know what you're talking about what does that have to do with women's rights well no I was talking

Brian Atlasabout also All rights in general but right no but you said women the type of women women's rights so I was saying um

Andrew Wilsonabortion rights okay um anything else but the other one like how does that word you just SP how how did we how does that have to do how we make the how did

Andrew Wilsonwe make that jump Brian how did we make the jump to what does that have to do with women's rights I think I was just talking about right the right to be that shall not be infringed what what what what what do what do you mean I'll leave

Dariaright now like basic women's rights that are like questioned to be taken away or Not by non women is I don't know no that you

Chase Carsoncan't even correlate how how about we just let her speak okay go ahead no I went off topic on there from women's rights to a different race yeah yeah I'm sure we all agree that that's a bad

Brian Atlasthing so okay back to the back to interrupting so okay women's rights what abortion abortion [Music]

Brian Atlascan trying to even freaking think equal pay okay what else I am blinking right now that's all I could think of at the moment okay equal

Brian Atlaspay wa two key ones when it comes to sports do you think for example uh female soccer players should be paid the same as male soccer players no hold okay

Brian Atlashold on just just let her answer the question okay go ahead sorry well I don't know how much either of them make but let's just say the men make more like egregiously more yeah well

Dariathat's really equal rights comes or equal pay thing comes in that equal pay for equal work this is a common sport like within Sports within that confine

Brian Atlaswhat about basketball NW yeah so should WNBA players be paid the same as NBA

Chase Carsonplayers I now I'm staring I mean is that hold on hold on she can collect herself let her speak you can think yeah it's fine I might have to come back that I

Brian Atlascan't think right now well wouldn't that be within the purview of equ equal

Mason Gregoirepay on working on how so like in the MBA just to embellish on the example the NBA there are guys who make on the order of

Mason Gregoiremillions tens of millions hundreds of millions and then in the WNBA it's like on the order of tens of thousands and why is that do you think that's in the

Mason Gregoirein the in the argument of equal pay do you think that's fair yes hold on the question the question is for

Chase Carsonher crap I'm blank I am totally blinking there no right or wrong like it's just your opinion there's no right or wrong right or wrong answer then I'll just say it I feel like it's

Chase Carsonalso maybe based on based on like on how I'm going to say views on who views more

Chase Carsonof like the male NBA should like okay this has enough views why not pay them more that's a pretty logical and then if

Mason Gregoirethe other one's like okay the other one has less view mhm why fair enough just still a decent pay though just yeah so I

Mason Gregoireguess now pivot to say my field we engineering uh say that I make uh a say

Mason Gregoire$150,000 I'm just going to pull a number out of the air and there's a lady in my same department and she's making say

Mason Gregoire$120,000 do you think that's fair that you're getting paid more than her yeah doing the same job okay yeah yeah with the same dude okay well okay just

Mason Gregoiredoing the same job well we can bring in other factors later but doing the same job do you think that'd be fair no okay I feel like

Mason Gregoireit should be based on the experience and yeah yeah so generally speaking don't give it to a monkey yeah okay well uh generally speaking if you take into

Mason Gregoireaccount all of those other factors like okay how much does the man work versus how much does the woman work regardless of gender people who work more more hours are going to make more money if

Mason Gregoirethey're more Adept at your craft you're going to make more money uh you realize that with basketball more views uh males are generally better athletes whatever

Mason Gregoireum so when it comes to uh the work environment uh the way that translates over is men generally take a lot less time off of work than women do uh

Mason Gregoireespecially when it comes to well men don't have to uh take pregnancy leave uh they will spend more hours at work they

Mason Gregoirewill generally do more work than a woman will so given those given those uh other factors you think it may be fair that

Mason Gregoiregenerally speaking men will make more than women

Mason Gregoiredo what was the question again no so given all the factors that men generally work longer hours than women do they though they do yes

Mason Gregoirestatistically men work longer hours than women they take less time off has nothing to do with pregnancy they will they will also they will uh pick harder

Mason Gregoirejobs um jobs that require more effort more time more physical labor physical labor yeah exactly all of those things

Mason Gregoireuh because all of those factors do you think that it's fair that men make more

Mason Gregoirethan women on average yes yes you got speak M oh yes yeah so that's that's generally where uh this

Mason Gregoirewage Gap number comes in they will claim that but ignore all of those uh all of those ex uh I don't know all the that all of that criteria that you should be

Mason Gregoireconsidering they'll just say women make 70 cents on the dollar and they will ignore all of those other factors so I I I appreciate that you're logically

Chase Carsongenuine with my question is what happens with all the was it you say the males that make more but why do they don't show up to work they have ass [ __ ] who

Brian Atlaswho hold on hold on hold there's there's hold on just a sec I got this okay as so so your your position is that men are and they actually have statist

Brian Atlasstatistics on this your position is is that men are for example more likely to take time off or sick Le I was saying sometimes yes we do have those hard workers out there but sometimes okay but

Brian Atlasif if we actually analyze statistics and I told you for example that women are more likely to take sick leave women are more likely to ask for time off but what

Brian Atlasabout the one guys there are men yes there are men who are Slackers and take sick leave women are more likely to though men are more likely to work uh graveyard shift they're more likely to

Brian Atlasrelocate to bum [ __ ] North Dakota and live in a 300 population town and work uh they're more likely to work in dangerous difficult jobs for example

Brian Atlaswhen it's 3:00 a.m. and the power goes out and it's below freezing you're going to see a man out there trying to get that figured out so the power can come back on and for you

Jessto say it's his choice it might be his choice to do that but without hardworking men and blue collar men America would not exist why wouldn't it

Dariabe then you go out and do the power L you go freaking be an IR worker you go be an electrician that there are women that do do that and the fact but you don't Bas your argument off of the

Dariaminority you Bas your argum problem I personally don't this is my and I don't think that like that decision should be made off of a

Mason Gregoirestatistic more like individually I would say so the issue that we're trying to discuss right now is who why they should wage Gap be something that is combed or

Mason Gregoiredo we realize that there are factors that make it so that men generally will make more than women I AG on both I think if we if actually middle but like

Mason Gregoiretwo ideas need to be metd okay so when you when you start to equate or when you account for all of those factors uh you if you go to Major metropolitan areas

Mason Gregoirelike Los Angeles or New York Women actually make more than men do yeah even though that they take more sick leave they yeah but sick leaves are like if

Mason Gregoireit's pregnancy they choose less they choose jobs that don't uh require nearly as much demand they don't work longer hours so in a lot a lot of major met

Mason Gregoirepoolan areas there seems to be that women on average will make more than men like there's an actual disparity even though they don't work harder than those other men well another thing to take

Morganinto consideration too which it's kind of to hate on myself I guess almost a dumb Point here but let's put it this way okay how many male electricians do

Morganyou know versus women a lot more men right yeah men predominate the traits and okay when it comes same thing welding Plumbing whatever it might be any blue collar job

Morganis going to be predominantly men but guess what you get a woman in that position she makes a [ __ ] Tik Tok account she's now not only profit in off of her job she's also profiting off of

Morganposting videos basically boasting about how she's a woman in that field so she's getting profit not only from her job she's also getting profit now from being

Morgana minority I guess you could say in that field so I'm basically what I'm getting at here is women have the opportunity yeah if they want to work in those fields they can work in those fields not only that they're going to get more

MorganLimelight off of it because of doing that so they do have more opportunity if they really wanted to if they wanted to go into that field they can profit off it in so many other ways than just the the daily paycheck I have to move it on

Brian Atlasthat's not really what we're arguing so I mean here I'll bring it back a little bit to dating I want to go around the table do you think a guy should pay for the first date um I think it kind of depends on the situation I think it

Brian Atlasdepends on who initiated the date like who asked who out you know what I mean more often than not at least in your own experience are you asking men out or are you ask are are you asking men out or

TTS / donation readerare they asking you out um I would say first first date um $200 bummed the military chick left so

TTS / donation readersoon would love to as her thoughts were on the statistics of promis City among military subculture they are higher than

Brian Atlascivilian pop rematch would love y yeah oh maybe she should come on when Andrew's in person um thank you LR

Brian Atlasappreciate it uh so okay going back to this uh you said it depends I asked M more often than not when it comes to who you're initiating with are you initiating First Dates I would say

Kylie Hansenmajority of the time I'm the one getting asked on a first date however I'm not afraid to like approach a man if I'm interested in him have you ever done that yeah of course I have okay so of

Kylie Hansenhow many First Dates do would you say you've been on o probably like rough estimate like 30 40 I took a little bit of a break from dating just cuzz I was really busy with school and I was trying

Kylie Hansento focus more on school and like getting a grades and I work too as a St so let's say it's 40 first dates that you've been on of those 40 how many of them did you

Kylie Hansenask the guy out i' say like maybe three or four but also that being said 10% okay I've been on first dates

Kylie Hansento where the man insists on paying and I'm the one who so you asked yes and if he insists on paying of course I'll I'll pull out my credit card and I'll be like no no no I'll offer if they're like oh don't worry about it I'm paying my go-to

Kylie Hansenis I'm like no no it's okay we can split it and I pull out my credit card I offer to split it and if he keeps pushing and he's like tells me two or three times no no no I want to pay for it I'll let him pay for it but after I've made that like

Kylie Hansenbut you will you only offer in the instances where you ask the guy out um I feel like it kind of depends on like Case by case basis it kind it depends on like how expensive the date is what our

Kylie HansenVibe is but majority of the time I will try to offer to pay 50/50 but most of the time they'll be like it's okay I got it I'll try and then I just put it away well your position was you said whoever

Kylie Hansenasks should pay yeah but it's also that's what I think but also when you're on a date there's other factors that go into it if not just like adhering to a strict rule when I'm going out on these situations like the world's not black

Kylie Hansenand white like I feel like this is kind of a gray area question for me at least Le like that's what I believe as a general principle but then when I'm in a situation there might be other little factors that kind of change how I'm

Brian Atlasfeeling in the moment does that make sense sure um okay it's just it's always interesting to me when I people say whoever asks should

Brian Atlaspay but it kind of ignores the fact that de facto men are overwhelmingly the initiators so to say that well whoever I should pay you might as well just say men

Brian Atlaslike I don't no CU I've been but women but most women are not initiating I mean take your own anecdotal anecdotal experience you said you've been on about

Brian Atlas401 dates in only three or four of those you were the asker so that's 10% of the time you 90% of the time men so how can

Brian Atlasyou argue against me on this given your own anecdotal experience that in 90% of all your first aid experiences men were the ones who asked you out could you clarify your argument

Brian Atlasagain I just want to make sure that we're on the same page on this okay so you're pushing back so I'm saying overwhelmingly men are the initiators and in your own anecdotal

Brian Atlasexperience you were the initiator and only 10% of all the first States you've ever been on 90% of those were initiated by men wouldn't this be evidence enough

Kylie Hansenfor you to conclude that men are overwhelmingly going to be the initiat I would are I would agree with your point I would say that often times it is

Brian Atlasmen who are the initiators I don't right but so don't you think it's a bit I mean to just say that whoever asked should pay I think this line of reasoning would make more sense if men and women were

Brian Atlasasking each other out at comparable rates so if it was about 50/50 I think this would make much more sense but it sort of ignores this like

Brian Atlasuh differential here where if men overwhelmingly are asking women on dates then they automatically have to

Brian Atlaspay cuz they asked him out is that what I mean that's how typically goes M that's how it typically goes so anyways don't really need to linger too long on that but just always an interesting

Brian Atlaspoint when people say whoever I should pay well men overwhelmingly are the initiators so kind of ignores that but uh work with about you who do you think should pay on a first date um I think

Morgan (off-panel)that women should offer to split but I mean if a man is going to insist that he pays then like it's his choice I guess well what if what if you were on a date cuz sometimes it's like a token gesture

Brian Atlasmhm okay I'm going to reach for the wallet but then if the guy's like oh cool let's split you would feel a certain type of way mhm you'd be like oh it was just a token gesture what do you

Kylie Hansensocially inept yeah you should you're not going to say that of course but do you if I like as if it was like some RSE psychology like I will say just speaking

Kylie Hansenfrom my point um and I know we're around like similar ages as a college student I'm really broke like I am working like two jobs like I'm just trying to like

Kylie HansenI'm working hard exactly so like if I'm offering to split and the person who I'm also on a date with is a college student and we're offering to split and he takes me up on that I'm in a like I understand what it's like to be in your shoes I'm

Kylie Hansentotally fine with splitting but I think that's kind of like my perspective influences that it might be different if I'm not in college you know what I mean would would it color your prospects of going on another date with them

Kylie Hansennegatively no no I think that it wouldn't I'd be like okay that's fine like that's fair what about you who should pay on the first date I feel like

Chase Carsonshould be either or because what happens if like non every body's well like has money but sometimes it would help the

Chase Carsonthem out cuz what happens even though this despite the guy being broke you still said yes to the day despite the financial part you didn't know beforeand

Chase Carsonbut I feel like it should be 50/50 has that been your experience with the First Dates you've been on I only been on two but wait hold on you've only

Chase Carsonbeen on two first dates but you've had sexual intercourse with 21 Men yes I mean it these were casual encounters I have only been in two

Chase Carsonrelationships and then um there are times where someone wanted to pay for me but I did not feel comfortable for them paying for my stuff so I ended up paying

Chase Carsonfor myself on the two dates you did go on on one of the casualty encounters I had two dates they both

Chase Carsonpaid um um and then one casual encounter wanted to pay but I said no okay what about you uh okay okay

Dariafirst hit who honestly I've I've always been like working and I've been the only one

Dariaworking for the most part in in the dates that I've gone on so I've don't didn't have a problem like be like paying at all um

Brian Atlasokay and so splitting is not a problem well you date men and women right yeah yeah is there a difference between those two experiences no not really so you

Dariayou've always split on dates with men if they want to unless if I'm offering wait but you you describe yourself as an your

Dariawords not mine an LA art ho yeah so are you dating like La art Bros no no you kind no it's not it's not like there's no you know

Dariaspecific type but regardless if I'm offering if I'm offering to pay and I want to do something I don't have I committed to that I don't have a problem it I don't

Darialook at them any less because of that or if they wanted to split and they offered to take me out it's I'll try to I'll try to wrap this up okay what about you um here can you look please just can you

Brian Atlasscoot the mic to the very edge of the table all right men going next are going to pay men should pay okay men I believe men should pay but I do

Mason Gregoireoften split and what do you think Mason should men pay for first AIDS uh in my context I I do always pay but I totally understand if men don't want to okay so in a very roundabout way to kind of

Brian Atlasarrive at the point and why I'm asking this question we were talking about the wage Gap so I think ignoring all the other factors we've talked about the fact that men work more hours uh men are more likely to work dangerous jobs men

Brian Atlasare more likely to work over time Etc there's a bunch of reasons the different kinds of fields that men go into I think it can actually ignoring all those other factors can actually just be the wage Gap since you brought it up can actually

Brian Atlasjust be explained away not by something really on a systematic level but at the the woman's level this actually can just

Brian Atlasbe explained Way by mating pressure so if your expectation and again look some women are fine with splitting but there were enough women that table let's say it's only 50% of women expect men to pay

Brian Atlasthat's a big enough of a cohort to put enough generalized mating pressure on men to be like okay I have to be a provider and in addition to just paying

Brian Atlasthe first date this sort of expectation that men be providing extends well into relationships too into marriage having children Etc so if the expectation is

Brian Atlasfor men to be providers and to pay for first States this puts a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist at all in women and so the wage Gap can simply just be explained away on this sole

Brian Atlasmetric it's actually women that put pressure on men to become High Achievers and to make money because if we don't make money and we can't provide

Brian Atlasfor you then we are at a disadvantage in the dating Marketplace and on average women have a stronger preference than men for

Brian Atlaswealth and status in a partner so and this this difference it's found in all societies and it's even found among women who are high earners themselves the more money a woman makes she's going

Brian Atlasto look for the man to make just as much or more money than she does whereas wealthy men will regularly date women who are not in their

Brian Atlassocioeconomic bracket so I guess just to put a capin it the wage Gap is simply explained Away by women's own preference for high status and high earning men you

Dariamay you may be right but that's that doesn't make it like right I don't think that that pressure should necessarily be put on men either it is you heard M women at the table yeah I know it is but

Brian Atlasright but we deal in so men we deal in reality so if there's 50% of the female population that's like men have to pay for first

Brian Atlasdates so why don't do you think do you think what is like one of the number one motivations in life do you think supposed to be money but or

Brian Atlasmating but do you think mating pressure has a significant impact on the choices that we make I mean yeah the way we dress the way we look we want to be

Brian Atlasappealing to the opposite sex we want to pursue a good career so we can make a lot of money so we can be appealing to women but you should want that for yourself that's the point like that I

Brian Atlasbut to what end to what do you mean to what end most like to the end of on a base evolutionary uh basis like what what's our primary goal I mean I

Dariaguess I'm not really thinking about that at all I'm thinking about that like if real equality and things like that are supposed to be achieved you're supposed to want that for yourself I should want

Dariato want to be able to provide for myself whether a man can pay for my dinner or not like I want to pay for myself and and that person because I want to show that it's not it doesn't have to be like

Brian Atlasthat you don't have to have that pressure like it's an equal thing okay there are women out there who are fine with splitting the bill that's not what I'm arguing but there are enough there are enough women out there who would not be willing to tolerate a man going dutch

Brian Atlason a date to create enough of a pressure on men that this mating pressure will be a greater motivational factor in achievement and there is no equivalent

Brian Atlasmating pressure like as women you might be motivated to become successful but not for dating Reon reasons no you're not going to be like I want the high

Brian Atlaspaying job so that men will like me no no no no but that's I know I know you you you can be motivated for your own reasons like women can be absolutely

Brian Atlasmotivated to but it's not clear to me if this additional motivation exists in women I want a high-paying job so men will like me no no no that's not even

Dariathat's not even it but like if that's if that is going to be changed and you want that equal it why keep going with that agenda and not like communicate who says

Jesswe want okay what people preach all the time that's what why so bad why do you want to take you know what that's why you want to be man honestly like that is what's creating

Dariasuch beta men I would like that is creating such beta men them so I about me I care about me being able to if if nobody else is able to do that I want to be able to do it

Brian Atlasfor myself and not worry about but you can split the bill there's nothing stopping you from splitting the bill but we're T we're having a conversation about wage Gap here and so I get that

Brian Atlasand so my explanation is simply put that there is a mating pressure which is extremely powerful on men mhm men have also men have higher sex drives than

Brian Atlaswomen so in addition not only do they have a higher sex drive hell yeah they do they have that's fine generally speaking men have a higher sex drive and then coupled coupled with this mating

Dariapressure that exists on men that does not exist on women it's a generalization that is kind of in my opinion [ __ ] what we're trying to say is like

Mason Gregoirethe gender pay Gap we're not saying it's not there we're just saying it's not a matter of Injustice it's a matter of just reality it's there for well in the

Mason Gregoirereality is there I'm completely agreeing too I'm not saying well in the reality is there because men and women are totally different so our motivations our pressures all of this stuff is totally

Morgandifferent so there's a reason why men have all of this pressure to get like what Brian said as far as with women that are trying to work high-paying jobs they're not doing it to be more

Morganattractive to men they're doing it for and I'm not saying this to sound mean or nasty or anything but they're doing it for their own selfish reasons they're doing it cuz they want to be

MorganBreadwinners they want to it for the family where I feel like usually have that more mindset of I'm doing this I want to care for gener speaking women bought the lie

Mason Gregoirethat Corporate America sold them hookline and Seeker that it would it's more fulfilling to pursue a job than pursue family yeah and why as women do you want to be so equal to men that's so

Brian Atlasodd to me is equal to men on the man plan there are times let's let's Let Brian we we'll move it on um I don't

Brian Atlasknow if you wanted to comment on okay all right so let's see getting into my notes here oh Jess Jess okay

Brian AtlasJess here we go I'm just kidding I looked at your Instagram oh no oh no um I don't know if this is actually wait Nick can you put it on intro really quick I just want to ask if it's fair game

Brian Atlaswe're good um Andrew is probably still getting audio on his end uh so okay um I did see on your Instagram um so did you dated somebody uh who was in the Hell's Angels I did

Brian Atlasyeah for eight years of my life and um were you like Affiliated or not I mean Affiliated I mean I'm a woman I have nothing to do with it okay and when we

Jessmet he was just like a normal dude I mean he was a normal dude for forever but I mean you know not are there are there um like female

Brian Atlasbike bike groups not with Hell's Angels um okay sorry wait were you

Jessinvolved too she has that's why I'm like so no there's no there's no like women yes there are women clubs that ride their own bikes and they have their own situation but it has nothing to do with

Jessthe club no not at all and I had nothing to do with it I am can you take your mic down you're good I mean I I have nothing to do with it like they are still some of very some of my great friends you

Jessknow their wives are some of my great friends it's I've never had a negative con what is the word I'm looking for con what's the word I'm looking for connotation do you think all those like

JessTV shows kind of get it wrong like oh th% and like literally there's a what word am I not supposed to use okay I'm not supposed to use that word um they're like silly like it's just like they

Jesschalk it up to like this whole like crazy like oh my gosh like like the amount of charity work they do don't they do a lot of mean yes a th% um I mean every Charter like um Oakland

JessCharter San Francisco Bakersfield Fresno Fresno has one of the biggest bike giveaways every December um they do a lot for their Community they also do rides for children that have been bullied that

Jesshave they will take children to court that have been some a word um you know what I mean they do a lot protect them yeah and I mean any negative con that freaking word is not

Jesscoming to my head and it's really connotation conation negative connotation sorry negative connotation thank you you know like and as far as I interrupted my bgs for this but sorry I

Jessmean in any way you want to say how they treat women um honestly I have never met a man in this organization that has treated their children wrong their wives wrong they

Jessare like I know them as family men like you know what I mean andere just so it's just really different I mean obviously it's there are you know things are different okay all right I was just I

Jesswas just curious about that I saw that but uh I'm sure you had a lot of cool interesting stories oh I had a great time I mean I to this day you know they're some of my greatest friends it's

Jesssome of my greatest experiences and I mean I travel all over and I've been to see members and many different countries and they open their homes and

Brian Atlasyou know food and just they take care of you cool cool um going to Daria you you have a couple interesting tattoos you

Brian Atlashave a what's the brr don't show us but the brrr tattoo what's that b b it's like for Gucci man I was literally just

DariaI was definitely it's right above your h-haul yes yes it's like right it was supposed to be like a double I don't know dude I was 20 and

Brian Atlasnot in the best like mental state to pick a tattoo but okay I don't regret it we we should do a tat still a fan got do a tattoo segment on this you had you got bring me back on that I'll be you think

Dariaperhaps the reason you made the choice for the tattoo is because your prefrontal cortex was not fully no totally not you're not going to give me that one I don't know I have one

Dariathat say 7s my leg stand by that I was a fan and still am a fan of Gucci M so so that's okay it's a reference I just

Dariadidn't want to get an what's what does Moda stand for Moda it's it's um I guess Italian for

Dariauh Trend in or like fashion but it also is the same kind of um same pronunciation in my language in farsy too okay and then you on your one of

Brian Atlasyour cheeks you have a tto that says harder you you just go for the it was on your Instagram it was on your Instagram no I know I was just curious so it's on

Dariayour it's on the the cheek and it says harder yeah yeah what's does that is that like a sex thing yes and like my

Dariaex- fiance stick and poked it it was like romantic and I don't know dude that was the craziest relationship I had so I

Dariadon't I don't regret it it was it was still a great time so like but potic so it's it kind of like alleviates

Dariayou from from having the talk you just what talk you just say tattoo you just say like what I want what I prefer or what I guess I don't know I mean I guess it

Dariadoes yeah better for me I'm waiting for a girl it would be nice if girl I don't have a problem with that at all I'm surprised you didn't notice this one

Dariawhat is that is that the that's literally the same one one choose with Billy Bob did you [ __ ] Billy Bob oh no he's hot though no I did

Darianot [ __ ] Billy Bob he hot but also he cast a spell on Angelina Jolie so I didn't want to get a name tattoo for for who I was dating and so like we picked

Darialike satirical we picked satirical like like celebrities that had tattoos so other whatever he did wno forever oh God

Dariajoh damn Johnny and de I love I loved it better than I didn't do you regret any of them no I don't I don't not at all not at all I mean some of them maybe are

Dariaforward at that age but I don't it's you regret a tattoo it's like regretting a part of your past that you believed in so strongly to tattoo at that

Brian Atlastime you're I think it'll fix itself sorry guys we're getting a little bit of lag boys we're getting some lag while we're getting the lag hold on boys what

Brian Atlasdoes the chat say Nick it says SC oh it's still bad hold on it looks like it

Brian Atlasoh that hold on Andrew can you hear us Andrew breaking up a little bit it looks like it nope hey Nick stop the virtual

Brian Atlascam stop the virtual cam oh wored about my conversation that's I think stopping the virtual cam might help it a little bit

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Morgan (off-panel)coming back to the tattoo stuff Morgan can I have you read this chat please yeah is there no more of an anecdote than personal experience what is the majority let's be real a woman and a man

Brian Atlasout in a freezer trying to get the power on she's sitting in the truck with the heat that not me I would send her to the Freez be pampered in high maintenance so

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