RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

Date: 2024-07-08

Duration: 8h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie Hansen >

AAmy (Amy Is Show)>

CChase Carson >

DDaria (DT176)>

MMorgan (DT176)>

HHannah (DT176)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS / donation reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chase Carson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jess(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amy (Amy Is Show)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Daria(guest)

SPEAKER_13Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_14Kylie Hansen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteJess announces she is enlisting in the U.S. Marines at age 30. Explains motivation: lack of education, bartending at 30 feels embarrassing, wants structure and self-improvement.

“my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military... I leave in January”

QuoteJess discloses that her partner of 8.5 years died in 2019. She spent ~5 years grieving and in therapy before recently entering a new talking stage.

“my longest relationship is 8 and a half years... he has passed away since then he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life”

OtherMason Gregoire introduces himself as "primarily a Christ follower" before listing his occupation as mechanical engineer. Panel reacts. He states he is pursuing Air Force Special Warfare and is training for it.

“yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm primarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer”

ControversyMason explains why men prefer younger women: biological clock concerns, less emotional baggage, more open to deprogramming. States he would not date a woman over 30-32 due to accumulated baggage.

“I don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have all of this extra life baggage... I want to have a large family”

ControversyAmy states she would "question the mental health" of men attracted to women 20+ years younger and uses the word "predatory." Brian challenges her, calling the statement pathologizing of all men. Extended confrontation.

“I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone... if a man is 20 years older... you're praying on them”

OtherRAGE QUIT: Amy leaves after Brian calls her "retarded" during the age-gap debate. Amy had called men who pursue much younger women mentally ill / predatory. She dropped a prop, Brian escalated. Amy states she will not tolerate disrespect and leaves despite Andrew and others asking her to stay. Brian offers to apologize if she sits back down; she does not return.

“could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me retarded yeah I mean here's the tone policing again”

ControversyDaria and Jess respond to Amy's rage quit, noting that Amy had called all men "mentally ill" and "disgusting" before getting offended at being called a single slur. Panel broadly agrees Amy's departure lacked consistency.

“did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting... she called all men mentally ill she called but you got called”

QuoteHannah describes kicking a 28-year-old man out of her manual transmission car for not knowing what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive stick shift because she does not want to be more masculine than a man.

“and he was like why do you have three pedals I was like get the fuck out of my car... 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is”

ControversyBrian produces a Wikipedia search showing "toxic femininity" redirects to "internalized misogyny" while toxic masculinity has a full article. Used as evidence of asymmetric treatment of gender topics.

“I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you try to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny”

QuoteAndrew Wilson apologizes for leaving the show early citing an engagement in the morning. Thanks Brian, Mason, and the panel. Leaves before the show wraps.

“Brian Brian sorry to cut you off I got to get going I got an engagement early in the morning”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status

Host Brian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara. Guests introduce themselves: Kylie Hansen (21, Denver, UCSB nanny/student), Amy (34, LA, podcast host + Army vet), Chase Carson (27, SB, hospital nutrition staff, bisexual), Daria (30, LA/Iran, tattoo artist), Jess (30, Bay Area, bartender/Marine enlistee), Morgan (29, East Bay, lash tech), Hannah (26, Maryland, web designer), Mason Gregoire (28, AZ, mechanical engineer/AF aspirant), Andrew Wilson (remote, debate host). Discussion of talking stages, exclusivity norms, relationship status, and body counts.

Talking Stage Norms and Exclusivity

Brian asks Kylie about her talking stage — does it bother her if the man she is dating sleeps with other women? Kylie initially says it would not bother her; panel pushes back. Jess and Chase argue against multi-partner talking stages. Mason shares his exclusive, marriage-focused talking stage. Hannah and others discuss initiation norms.

Body Count Discussion

Chase discloses body count of ~20-21 (thought she meant roster, not lifetime). Had 4-5 simultaneous casual partners. Jess criticizes the concept of a roster. Chase defends experimentation. Daria and others share perspectives on casual sex norms.

Toby Maguire Age-Gap Debate and Amy Rage Quit

Discussion of Toby Maguire (49) dating Lily (20). Amy calls large age-gap men mentally ill / predatory. Brian challenges her position on logical grounds. Andrew Wilson and Mason engage. Extended meta-debate on eye-rolling, respect, and tone-policing. Brian calls Amy "retarded" after she drops her prop. Amy rage-quits at ~2:22:40 despite offers to apologize.

Wage Gap and Equal Pay

Discussion of equal pay for equal work. Chase and Daria struggle to articulate positions. Mason lays out statistics: men work longer hours, take fewer sick days, take harder jobs, work graveyard shifts. General agreement that same-work same-pay is fair; wage gap attributable to occupational choice and hours. Morgan notes women in male-dominated trades can additionally monetize their rarity via TikTok.

Who Should Pay on the First Date

Brian asks each panelist who should pay on a first date. Kylie: whoever asks (acknowledges men initiate ~90% of the time). Chase: 50/50 (only been on 2 formal first dates despite 20+ sexual partners). Hannah: women should offer; if man accepts the offer he is socially inept. Morgan and Daria give various takes. Panel discussion of the asymmetry between initiating and paying.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks whether panelists would rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods. Most women choose bear. Andrew Wilson challenges the predictability argument. Hannah and Daria defend bear preference based on past negative experiences with men. Mason argues most men are harmless; bear has only two options (ignore or kill). Hannah challenged by Andrew on how to make fire without tools — she decedes she cannot.

Men's Masculinity and Peter Pan Syndrome

Hannah shares pre-show notes about men avoiding provider/protector roles causing women to become more masculine, creating a cycle. Brian and Andrew engage with the argument. Discussion of fake vs. real masculinity, controlling behavior, and absent fathers.

She Will Not Date a Man Who Cannot Drive Stick

Hannah reveals she kicked a man out of her 1995 manual transmission car when he did not know what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive a stick shift — "I don't want to be more masculine than a man." Andrew confirms his daily car is also a manual transmission.

Therapy Debate

Brian asks whether men's hesitance to go to therapy is toxic masculinity. Kylie says it is culturally imposed. Brian says he is skeptical of talk therapy except for specific issues. Andrew asks whether therapy actually cures anything. Kylie describes managing anxiety via therapy tools. Mason suggests alternative outlets (building things, physical activity). General discussion of therapy as green flag on dating apps.

Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity

Brian asks whether toxic masculinity exists. Most say yes. Brian then asks about toxic femininity — same answer. Wikipedia search shows toxic femininity redirects to internalized misogyny. Kylie explains patriarchy theory and standpoint feminism from her UCSB feminist theory coursework. Panel generally agrees toxic femininity is underreported.

Feminist Theory and the Draft Debate

Extended debate between Kylie, Brian, Mason, and Andrew on whether feminism is about equality or equity. Brian argues feminism fights equality when it would benefit men (cites NOW opposing Florida's 50/50 custody presumption). Draft question: Kylie agrees women should probably be drafted for equality but hedges on equity framing. Hannah clearly states women should be drafted. Mason argues men and women are intrinsically different so equality of outcome is impossible. Andrew leaves at ~7:53:47.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdon't want women who who have high body counts I mean neither do we we don't want we don't want the [ __ ] Town Bicycle I mean we can't see Andrew hide

Jessthat um yeah women honestly yeah no and I wasn't like I said I wasn't speaking down I was just simp the higher the body

Jesscount the less deserving true the less deserving that's honestly true of a relationship you're bringing and what are you teaching my kids and like same with mine so you sleep with a million

Jesswomen what are you going to teach my daughter like both it goes both ways well well that's honestly another thing with me but women and men sleeping with never

Jessmind but you're correct women should be very self-contained you have no business running around doing that all right guys TTS has been boosted it's at uh should

Andrew Wilsonbe at the higher thresold if I ask a a very quick follow-up question go uh yeah so I'd like to ask you a question uh you said earlier I got in my notes here that you think you share the same values as

JessMason over there which values of those do you think you share um I believe that women should not be sleeping around I believe that women should hold

Jessthemselves in a higher standard I understand the way that I'm dressed I'm very aware of that um but at the same time I don't believe

Jessthat how do I say this like I would never want my children to look like me I would never want my children to be a bartender I would never want my children to do any of those things I want my

Jesschildren to be educated I want them to be respected I want them to be somebody in this world well then why do you do that [ __ ] um to be perfectly honest well

Jessobviously um I come from a very hard background and the way my education works this is where I am financially in

Amy (Amy Is Show)a freedom space and I can do what I can do I just I say this with the most love and I say this as a as a fellow like woman who's been in the military like especially if you're going down the path

Amy (Amy Is Show)of like going in the Marine Corps sure I strongly encourage you especially if you're advocating for for your daughters and things like that to dress differently act AP part because you're going to bring shame we already in the

Amy (Amy Is Show)military Community women in the military we already deal so much like in the super chats alone Etc like me the fact that I'm in the military I'm going to get a million comments tearing me apart the way you're dressed right now is going to bring shame on the the military

Jessfemale community no a th% you know what's really really funny is I didn't want to wear this a million people told me to wear this a million people tell oh this is fun this is this this is that this is the how I addess on a day-to-day

Jessbasis this isn't who I am as a person this isn't what I wanted but every oh you're going on this do this do this stress this do that no this is not who I am just to be clear that the that's not

Jessfrom us no that's not from you I'm not saying the way you're Fring it the way you're Fring it no no that is not from them then that is from my own personal situation and that is something that I have to reflect on as a human being and

Amy (Amy Is Show)I will take that home and I will understand that yeah but I'm also very aware that no would I want my child no but I also tell you I've heard you say a couple times now that you come from a

Amy (Amy Is Show)really hard background and I just want to like give you point to pour into you for a moment pour some love and light to you so I too come from a really hard background like you don't have to use that as an excuse like it's not an

Jessexcuse this is not an excuse on but you keep saying that the reason why reason that's not what I'm saying it's it's not choices that's not what I'm saying what I'm me saying that I come from a hard

Jessbackground exactly it is a context that's not me saying it's a choice that's not me saying that this is come from a heart background and I'm not dressed like that okay that's fine I'm not saying the way that I dress has

Amy (Amy Is Show)anything to do with where I came from that has nothing to do with it because as a conservative woman I can dress how I want m i I mean just observation here

Jessconservative women would never dress like that that's fine and that's fine there's different tears of there is not though and but I but see as a conservative woman I understand where

Jessshe's coming from because I have no standpoint on anything it's really I how do I say this without being mean so I won't do it so

Jessnothing what I'm going to say is I genuinely understand where you're coming from and I see what you're saying I do because I but I am very conservative you may not see that in the way that I look

Jessright now but I am very conservative my moral views and who I am as a woman is very different than the my appearance to you and that has nothing to do with my background nothing sorry I I only said

Jessthat cuz I thought that you were saying that I wasn't trying to make ancep I thought you said that but I'm trying to explain my background has nothing to do with my life my life is about choices I made the choices my enre life from the

Jesstime that I was very small until now I'm in the choices where I am now but coming from a hard background I say that in like can you

Brian Atlasguys wrap this up please like you each get one one final goad I'm done go ahead no it's fine no you guys can each make one final point but I got to move it on no just

Brian Atlasmove it on just move it on go ahead all right um okay we're going to get into uh our first topic um Nick I need you to start pulling it pulling it

Brian Atlasup all right Toby Maguire famous movie star aist celebrity number one Spider-Man uh I don't know this was kind of going viral recently he's 49 he's

Brian Atlasdating a 20-year-old uh actress Lily Chi scroll down a little bit Nick so we can see some some of the other stories it's on daily male people are having mixed

Brian Atlasthoughts on this so he's 49 she's 20 and uh just pull up her uh pull up the next tab what's the next tab some photos here so they responded to the

Brian Atlasparty recently uh what's the next click the next one the next no yeah that

Brian Atlasone okay so 49 20 uh they're cool so do you guys object any of you

TTS / donation readerobject going around the table to the age Gap right after this conservative women dress conservatively as in not look like a [ __ ] as a real military vet Mason

TTS / donation readerdon't join the military is run by feminists and women in awful roles thinking they know everything yeah I feminist I love it I've heard um I I've gotten this comment

Mason Gregoirea lot U I'm still going to join the the military the community I'm trying to get into uh I'm trying to go into aspec war um dominated by a lot of very conservative men I know that there are

Mason Gregoireaspects of the military that are that are feminist Pro whatever but uh from the par rescue men I've talked to actual guys in the career field has very little

Mason Gregoireto do with the day-to-day job the day-to-day job is still awesome uh it still speaks to me at like a very deep level it's exactly what I want to do so

Mason GregoireI understand the sentiment but again uh if we want to fix the problem not doing anything about it is not the way to go about fixing that problem I think we need to be in there especially as

Mason Gregoireconservative men we need to be involved in those spaces to fix the problems that are internal and it's not going to happen if we're just be like ah we'll just let it figure itself

Brian Atlasout all right thank you being cheeks okay so back to the topic at hand Toby McGuire 49 he's dating a 20-year-old um any objections there so you're you're 21

Kylie Hansenright yes I am 21 okay maybe you have some thoughts um I personally would not date someone that age um would make me feel

Kylie Hansenuncomfortable but this situation does not affect me whatsoever it's not my not my relationship I can choose what I want to do as a person but I'm not going to I

Brian Atlasdon't know it's like a it's an interesting story but I don't see how it affects me it does doesn't affect you I know right but so like for example probably there's conflicts out the world that don't affect you personally but you

Kylie Hansenhave thoughts on them regardless yeah of course so I mean if you had to just give us you know your own view um I hope that she's okay and she

Kylie Hansenfeels safe and it's not like an imbalance of power and that she has thought a lot about it that being said I can't make those decisions for her feel like you can try to help someone as much

Kylie Hansenas you want but at the end of the day you can really only help yourself well for what reasons would you choose to help her um I think I would probably just be like hey are you like are you in a

Kylie Hansenconsensual safe relationship is like ask about the nature of it see if it's like but at the end of the day it's not my

Brian Atlasdecision but so you think just simply by virtue of the discrepancy and age that those questions would be warranted

Brian AtlasI think it depends on the situation but um yes I do just because that is a pretty decent age Gap so you would not feel the need to ask those kinds of

Kylie Hansenquestions for example if they were it was like a 21 and a 21-year-old dating well I feel like it depends on the context you feel like there's a lot of instances where like someone can feel unsafe in a relationship someone can feel like there's a power imbalance and

Kylie Hansenit's not just to do with age like there's other factors as well like what um I don't know just like if someone is acting in a toxic way if someone

Kylie Hansenis I know there's certain topics that we can't talk about on this podcast so I'm going to refrain but I think there's a lot of instances where there can be power imbalances in a

Brian Atlas[Music] relationship um does it have to do with sa is that what you're talking about um I would say so but I don't really want to talk talk about that more on the

TTS / donation readerpodcast cuz I know that's one of the topics we're not supposed to discuss well how about I just give you uh a pass and you just use the word essay so that you can tell us donated

TTS / donation reader$200 as an xpj I'll let you know lose weight swim a lot and learn to get beat down it ain't about the muscles anymore

TTS / donation readerit's mental also women won't win the age Gap argument it's just about the all right thank you being cheeks appreciate it um there

Brian Atlasokay so I'm a little confused so something about power dynamics and these women

Kylie Hansenbeing potentially essed because of the power dynamic or well I don't necessarily feel comfortable talking about a topic like that cuz it is really sensitive and it's I don't feel comfortable talking about

Kylie Hansenthat on the internet so I'm going to refrain from that specifically but there are power and balances in a relationship I've had friends where there is power and B balances and I know they don't feel safe in their relationship and I'll

Kylie Hansencheck in on them offer them support tell them that if they need help I'm here for them if they need someone to talk to if they need help getting out of the relationship I'm here for them but at the end of the day if you're in a bad

Brian Atlassituation the only person who can get you out is yourself so you said you've had friends who you know who are in relationships where there's a skewed power Dynamic yes I think we can all

Brian Atlasagree as women that we've had friends that are have been in toxic relationship yeah but power dynamics is a very specific thing for example you could be in a relationship where there

Brian Atlasis no power Dynamic but it's toxic so I'm a little confused there are you conflating power Dynamic with just toxic relationship no

Kylie HansenI think I was using toxic as a blanket term but looking back on it now I would say that I think it is very common for relationships to have a power balance I don't know if anyone disagrees with that

Brian Atlasthey can of course interject but um so when okay so when you when you say power Dynamic what you say it's very common you're in college yes so even your girlfriends who are in college who are

Kylie Hansendating other college who are dating college guys they're encountering power dynamics well like you were talking about with sa earlier sa does function

Kylie Hansenon a power imbalance you're holding physical power over someone else so these women are getting essayed by their boyfriends yes sometimes that does

Mason Gregoirehappen crazy idea sure but I mean so why did you bring it up in the context of age cuz being physically more well so being

Mason Gregoirephysically dominant in a relationship between a man and a woman the man is 99.999% of the time going to be more going to be stronger more powerful able

Mason Gregoireto dominate their woman so why why did why did this come in the context of Toby McGuire being 49 and his girlfriend being 20 well because I is that only an

Kylie Hansenage Gap I think it depends on the situation it's not only an age Gap but if that you asked me what I thought on the situation I would just want to ensure that his girlfriend was okay and that there wasn't it wasn't an

Jessuncomfortable situation that she felt safe that's all why does him being 49 and her being what you say 21 have to do with her being okay why wouldn't she be okay okay but if she actually liked him well that is an instance and I think

Kylie Hansenthat's totally a possibility I'm not just counting that I'm just saying that I'm trying to rule out that possibility is I don't know is a GW the

Kylie Hansenthing you can say like Grom yeah that's kind of what I'm that what you just referenced is what I'm alluding to yes I didn't know if that was in appropriate to topic to talk about on

Mason Gregoirehere well again it doesn't really have anything to do with the age AG like terrible men are going to be terrible men regardless if they're 12 years old or they're 50 I don't even think this

Brian Atlasplays into a power Dynamic either this is like I mean that's criminal Behavior yeah yeah that goes beyond just power Dynamic yeah that's not so I'm just

Jessconfused and there are normal human beings that an age difference they have met somebody and they've found a genuine connection it has nothing to do with

Jessanything so criminalizing that I mean yeah I mean it's obviously they have really nothing in common yeah at that point but it's really like it doesn't mean he's like growing her to be

Mason Gregoiresomebody like that's weird yeah I'm not saying that he automatically is I wasn't I can also ask the inverse is she trying to take advantage of him for his money influence Fame because it's extremely

Mason Gregoireeasy for women to take advantage of a man's resources all they have to do is get some kind of legal precedent to they can divorce get half of their stuff start getting a bunch of their income and they have to do nothing for the rest

Mason Gregoireof their life and especially in Toby McGuire's case it's that's that's a serious possibility so I'm hoping I like I I assume Toby McGuire is a uh a mature

Mason Gregoiredude he's 49 years old seems like a mature guy knows what he's doing has identified this girl as someone who's going to be a good partner loves him for being him best

Mason GregoireSpider-Man uh yeah and I'm I'm hoping she does the same thing it seems like I know nothing about their situation but I would hope that they're in a good relationship yeah I agree with your points yeah

Amy (Amy Is Show)okay all right your reaction to the Toby Maguire thing I think uh most women in their early 20s have no idea left right up down and Toby McGuire being 49 is being completely inappropriate dating a

Amy (Amy Is Show)20-year-old 21-year-old why because he's mature he's uh been around the planet he's you know understands relationship Dynamics you

Amy (Amy Is Show)know um I I think that women that young should be dating much closer to their own age and to your point about like uh resources and things like that um you know the thing she's probably looking at

Amy (Amy Is Show)is status you know she's looking at a high status man with money with Fame things like that so those are the things she's attaching herself to um you know but in terms of you know being a woman of of high value you know going after

Amy (Amy Is Show)those things alone is low value behavior um and uh it's his responsibility being the older more mature person to date within the maturity level that he's at

Amy (Amy Is Show)not a very vulnerable young woman who is definitely going to be taken advantage of in other ways in terms of um her um her body and her time and her energy and

Brian Atlasshe's going to be like falling in love with this guy when the chances of them actually working out are going to be pretty slim to numb erroneous erroneous V okay V there's a lot of buzzwords here vulnerable yeah she's

Amy (Amy Is Show)vulnerable yeah he's going to take advantage of her body wouldn't that just apply equally back to Toby she would be taking advantage of his body I know I fully I fully agree that there's some there's it's an inappropriate match

Brian Atlasthere just age wise no no no but that I think taking advantage of somebody typically doesn't that only go one way no or you saying it goes both ways I think it can go both ways absolutely like but you'd have to evaluate their

Amy (Amy Is Show)personalities their what their actual intent is and all of that but I you know based on observation all we got here was a story line right that's all we got we got their age all we know9 20 yep that's

Amy (Amy Is Show)all we got and so I just am saying that based on traditional like not traditional but the majority of relationships out there that are like that the young girls are going after money Fame status Etc that's taking

Amy (Amy Is Show)advantage of him right okay Y and then likewise you know he's going for the really young vulnerable easy like docile

Amy (Amy Is Show)personality with a a lot to uh a lot of Life to Go still like that's equal yeah what do you mean by vulnerable when you're in your early when you're young when you're a teenager

Amy (Amy Is Show)when you're in your early 20s this is both for men and women you're a sponge and um that's a vulnerable place to be where you're not operating from an educated experienced position they're

Amy (Amy Is Show)vulnerable in in terms of they're easily um suede they're easily suggestable so that's what I mean by vulnerable like they're they're they're a sponge so you I mean they definitely shouldn't be

Andrew Wilsonjoining the military at that age I mean I joined at 17 but that's I know but you definitely shouldn't have because you're a sponge and you're easily suggestible and you don't have any autonomy you're just you're just kind of a fool right no

Amy (Amy Is Show)that's completely different you're someone going the military why is it completely different oh I'll tell you so when you when you go into the military like I did at 17 you're going into a safe when I'm when I mean safe I mean

Andrew Wilsonit's structured there's laws and rules and regulations in place there's oh cuz there's not laws and rules and regulations in place for you know relationships and for marriage even though there is right like you can't

Andrew Wilsonjust uh randomly essay women right even if you're in a Rel there's still laws in place even if you're not in the military right I don't know why you're getting so heated Andrew well but I want to answer

Andrew Wilsonto the question tone why you think I want to know why you think it's okay to be when you say sponge right are they just a sponge you know they have so much life left to live girl I guess I'm just

Andrew Wilsonhang on let me finish I'll turn over to you okay let me hang on let me finish you say oh they sponge they're just absorb they're easily influenced right and totally suggestible these are your words correct but of course they should

Andrew Wilsonbe joining the military because they're easily suggestible they're like sponges they could be easily influenced into doing things ordinarily wouldn't do the sa rate for women in the military Sky High seems like ah it's a little bit of

Amy (Amy Is Show)a contradiction there right no I disagree because they're one they're two completely separate topics completely separate topics the question was do I think that there that massive of an h gap is an issue and my answer in my

Amy (Amy Is Show)opinion is yes I think it's an issue I think like 10 years is appropriate as a Max but like when you start getting into like the 20s Etc I think it's completely disproportionate they're at different areas of their lives and that's my

Andrew Wilsonopinion like where your commanding officer for instance who's probably going to be much older than you are right that's so different Andrew like one is a teacher why is it different your suggest

Andrew Wilsonwhich means you can't make good decisions because you're a sponge you're always absorbing the things that are around you this is your logic the entailment of your logic other the space to talk but you you cut me off first you

Andrew Wilsoncut me off you cut me off first I was in the middle of giving my answer and you like hey I'm done talking and now you can't talk Andre we've done this before together I will but once I finish my

Andrew Wilsonpoint stop talking let me finish Andre I'm not going to take that from you or anything I'm not going to take I'm going to I'll get up and leave right now right this second going to are you going to have a discourse like adults or what you

Andrew Wilsoncan't finish talking and when I start talking I to come in and pick one of you to finish your things Andrew gets to finish go ahead Andrew okay so anyway uh your line of logic would still apply to

Andrew Wilsonother situations if women are easily suggestible they're just young sponges they're just absorbing the things around them you say these are two different situations as though I'm talking about them like they're the same situation The

Amy (Amy Is Show)Logical entailment though would apply in both both that's the point are you done yeah okay so first of all I didn't spe specify women I said young people both

Amy (Amy Is Show)men and women when they're in their early 20s are very suggestible impressionable they're sponges that's what I said so I wasn't specifically talking about women we were not talking about the military and the difference

Amy (Amy Is Show)that I was trying to articulate was that if there's a 20-year-old sorry a 20-year age gap between myself as an example and a staff sergeant that's in charge of my

Amy (Amy Is Show)platoon his job is to train me is to educate me is to lead me is to build me into being a soldier that is not the dynamic of the particular male that

Amy (Amy Is Show)we're talking about Toby McGuire's job is not to teach a 20-year-old how to be an adult and a woman and to know her rights and to know her boundaries and her limits and what she likes and doesn't like that's not to staff Sergeant's job either to teach you how

Andrew Wilsonto be a woman they're two completely different topics that's your logic your it's your logical application staff starts a job not to teach you how to be a woman either okay when you're talking about a

Andrew Wilsonpower imbalance if you're saying that people are so young and impressionable they can't make the decision of who they date based on an age gap which is absurd this logic should still apply to the situations that they can engage in which

Andrew Wilsonis contractual for instance signing oh I don't know a 4-year contract for your life right that you then hand over to the government if you're incapable of determining who you can or can't date why in the world would I think that you

Amy (Amy Is Show)could determine whether or not you signed your life over to the US government so hold on again two completely different topics I did not say a staff sergeant was going to teach me how to be a woman a staff sergeant would be teaching me how to be a soldier

Amy (Amy Is Show)just to clarify that's right and in terms of the topic of you know the them joining the military Etc again we're not talking about that we're talking about whether I personally the question was whether I personally find issue with a

Amy (Amy Is Show)20e plus age Gap I personally find an issue with it I don't think it should be illegal should the woman be able to decide to do that or a man could be reversed absolutely it's their choice it's their business I'm just saying the

Andrew Wilsonquestion was do I have an issue with it isue so then here's what I'm doing what I'm doing right and I'm going to use my best HR tone what I'm doing is I'm taking your applied logic that you apply

Andrew Wilsonin this situation and also equally applying it to other situations to see if it's consistent it's called an analogy right so in this analogy if you have a personal problem with age Gap relationships based on the fact that

Andrew Wilsonthere's power dynamics and that the women can be super suggestible to this 49-year-old who's super powerful and the these all powerful Z okay then this would still apply to the fact that if

Andrew Wilsonshe made other contracts or other you know um Life Choices why is it that she's capable of those you have no problem but you have a problem in the instance of her picking her

Amy (Amy Is Show)partner again these are two completely different scenarios with two you keep saying that like we don't know that listen Andre we we just disagree so I think we should move move on cuz we definitely disag that's the argument I'm

Amy (Amy Is Show)not going to keep arguing with you I'm not going to so we disagree that's my opinion I don't need you to agree with it I don't need you to find logic in it that's just my opinion so I'm ready to move on yeah but I'm not really ready to move

Andrew Wilsonon I'd really like you're going to be all by yourself good for you yeah you you tell that mean guy who wants logical consistency no I love you Andrew I don't

Amy (Amy Is Show)think he's mean I just think it's two completely different scenarios it's not even the same thing yes I well are apples the same as oranges I'm moving on

Andrew WilsonAndrew are apples the same as oranges can you can you answer any basic

Andrew Wilsonquestions is up the opposite of down no just not nothing we're just not we're just not going to answer any questions at all what we'll do is we'll just take positions that never defend them I'm not going to do that I'm not

Andrew Wilsonhere to debate you Andrew we've been through this before what are you here to do I'm here for the dating conversation I'm not here for you this is a conversation about dating we're talking about specifically a person who's dating someone who's far older and I'm testing

Amy (Amy Is Show)the logical consistency of your position but I don't need you I don't need you to decide whether my logic about whether I think 20e age Gap is appropriate or not I didn't I don't need your approval on that I didn't say you needed my approval

Amy (Amy Is Show)we're having a conversation care when you're just like going to disrespect like I I don't need that how's that disrespectful Andrew true I'm not are you going to use the HR thing is it the

Andrew Wilsonwrong tone is it the HR tone are you going to give me the HR tone speech don't do the HR tone speech no I'm just I'm I'm not entertaining this Andrew I'm not not today not today not

Andrew Wilsontoday okay if you don't want to engage you you don't have to engage but just I'm in my healed girl era Andrew I'm not going to argue with you today we're going to be friends again after

Amy (Amy Is Show)this well I don't I don't take any of it personally I just I don't understand why you take a position and then won't defend it because I'm going to tell you why if you genuinely care to know because we're talking about my opinion

Amy (Amy Is Show)on whether a 20-year age Gap is appropriate or not I said I said no right I don't think it's appropriate and you tried to bring in logic about someone joining the military which is a completely different like not even in

Andrew Wilsonthe same universe topicwise do okay so do you realize that if you bring up a hypothetical for instance that it's not going to map on to reality or the situation exactly but you can still test

Andrew Wilsonthe logic of a person to see if they're consistent hang on hang on hang hang on just let you just let you finish go ahead so all I'm trying to do is this I get that you have a problem with an age

Andrew WilsonGap right what I'm trying to determine is why and if you have that problem in this instance I would assume that in an instance which was similar where these

Amy (Amy Is Show)same traits are applied you'd have the same problem makes sense to me so where again I'll just recap it one more time for you why it's totally different why the logic cannot be applied to the same

Amy (Amy Is Show)scenario because I'm talking about a a young girl or boy it doesn't matter what gender going into a scenario where they don't even know they're left from right they're up from down they're brand new

Amy (Amy Is Show)into being out of high school they're just entering the world etc for a 49-year-old man or woman to come and pluck one of those two people up you would my first question is why do you

Amy (Amy Is Show)have an interest in someone that young like like where is that coming from because they want to bang them they think they're hot what do you mean and and if it's consensual have fun

Amy (Amy Is Show)right but I'm just saying I personally find that disturbing I don't think that's appropriate now you want to what's inappropriate why why is it disturbing because I think the

Amy (Amy Is Show)49-year-old like if it if you guys are just trying to hook up go for it have fun whatever but I think once you start like in this scenario because the question going back to what the actual question was which is do you think do I think Toby Maguire and this 21-year-old

Amy (Amy Is Show)girl do you think do I have like what's my opinion on that I'm telling you I have an opinion of that uh that isn't agreeing with that dynamic because that person is now in the Limelight they're um surrounded by an environment where

Amy (Amy Is Show)there's a lot of pressure there's all of these different scenarios that they're going to be faced with and they're so young they don't even understand what that means now they're going to be painted as you know dating someone who could be their father you know in the news like they don't have like I mean I

Andrew Wilsoncould just keep going like I have a problem so then the same the same logic would apply the other way no it's completely different hang on is it is my turn I I think we need a safe word so so I could swear I could swear that the the

Andrew Wilsonlogic would apply the exact same here they're young and impressionable they don't know as you say their left from their right right they're just plucked up they're offered a bunch of incentives to do X thing right all of these things

Andrew Wilsonare true why is it that this woman in this case not even a hypothetical woman why is it that they're incapable of judging what or not they can date somebody with a significant age Gap but

Andrew Wilsonsomehow are capable of deciding whether or not hang on let me finish or but somehow they're capable of deciding whether or not they could sign a contract for four years of their life entering into a situation they also have

Amy (Amy Is Show)zero experience in completely different first of all I did not say you're adding in things I didn't say so I did not say they're incapable of deciding whether they want to be in the relationship I already said actually very clearly more

Amy (Amy Is Show)power to them the question was if I have an opinion on it and I do I think I think it's bad and I but you have an opinion which is informed by a worldview I'm speaking from experience

Andrew Wilsonof a worldview okay you got to let me finish now M we're doing this whole sharing sh just clarifying so that you know you're speaking from a worldview and I'm trying to investigate the world view sure so I'm speaking from

Brian Atlasexperience cuz I was once a young 20-year-old girl 15 years ago that was in a situation you guys can't be doing sidebar conversations when somebody's else is talking go ahead uh that was in

Amy (Amy Is Show)a situation with someone significantly older than me and it was not a good situation for multiple reasons there is a power Dynamic difference there I was uneducated um you know about the person

Amy (Amy Is Show)I didn't even know what to ask I didn't know what screening questions to ask it was an inappropriate horrible situation and it was a very toxic relationship and now really quickly to address why I think it's so important that we separate

Amy (Amy Is Show)these topics is the military is an educational system it is is a career it is Guided by instruction and education and purpose and Mission and all of these

Amy (Amy Is Show)things it has nothing to do with that person on the Romantic level there's a difference between the military putting you in Boots and someone trying to [ __ ] you there's last time I checked the

Andrew Wilsonpower imbalance which exists inside of the military is such that the sa rates for women are sky high due to this power imbalance usually from male officers who have a significant age Gap Gap far more

Andrew Wilsonlikely to be Ed in that than you are in an age Gap relationship since you're drawing well how can you disagree one because I'm woman in the military would you like the stats well first of all I want to know

Amy (Amy Is Show)where you got the stats because a lot of people throw out stats and they're not even verified stats second I've been in the military second I've been through An Essay Case Etc so I know a lot about essay in the military and I promise you the very small number the very small

Amy (Amy Is Show)number of the military and um now in terms of in terms of like hang on no no no no no I'm not done and in terms of like if we're comparing I'm not done I'm not done if

Amy (Amy Is Show)we're comparing rates of people who get ESS outside of the military it's a much higher number so I want to be really careful that we're not conflating the rates of sa between the military and the

Andrew Wilsonthe uh Comm comp I was just going I was going to clarify it and or clarify it right now we're comparing the rates of sa in an age Gap relationship versus the

Andrew Wilsonrates of sa if you're inside of the US military as a female we're comparing those two those are analogous right so now we have yes because they apply to your power imbalance the whole your

Andrew Wilsonwhole argument is about a power imbalance first I don't have an argument so if you're a woman who can sign on to a power imbalance in the military and you're actually more likely to be sa going into the military than you are to be in a age Gap relationship which is

Amy (Amy Is Show)true then I don't understand the argument of the power imbalance that's what I don't get so okay first of all I don't have an AR argument I this was just my opinion just to be clear I'm going to go back to that the question was do I agree or disagree with it I

Brian Atlasdon't agree with it I don't need to prove my point to you and I would really love to move on well I have a couple questions so I I guess perhaps what Andrew is trying to

Brian Atlasget at so your issue with age Gap relationship is the potential for harm is that one of the issues right there's a potential for harm to the woman to to me like I think there's a lot of

Amy (Amy Is Show)successful relationships with that big of an age Gap so it's not that it's not I'm not like looking then why else would you I mean if if there's no potential for harm you okay yeah I'm good thank you why else I guess object to it if

Amy (Amy Is Show)there's no potential for harm your your grievance with it seems to be the potential for harm to the woman no I just think um that I I'm more focused on

Brian Atlasthe older person's reasoning for why they're seeking someone so significantly so make an argument for why a man who's 40 ought to date a 30-year-old compared

Brian Atlasto a 20-year-old like what what's in it for him they're much closer in age like so 10 years is appropriate to me I would say that's like the max make a compelling argument in terms of the

Brian Atlasbenefits then to the man if your issue isn't so much the harm to the woman make an argument as to why men ought to date a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old okay so

Amy (Amy Is Show)one the woman like if you if if the end goal is that they're looking for successful long-term marriage relationship family kids whatever you would prefer to date a 35-year-old over a 25y old because the 35-year-old has a

Brian Atlaslot more life experience they're very more bodies I that's not what I mean at all but well when you say more life experience more trauma more baggage me more sexual partners no you're adding in I mean life experience you mean relation

Amy (Amy Is Show)you mean that's not what I said right but I mean no you're adding in things I did not say right but so I'm you okay go ahead continue with your yeah yeah um so I'm talking about life experiences in contrast is in what they want and what

Amy (Amy Is Show)they don't want and I'm talking about jobs career where they want to Live Career who they want to hang out with um who they want to associate with their ideology their religion they're whether they're spiritual or not like there there's a lot of contrasting moments and

Amy (Amy Is Show)which by the way I'm not at all talking about anything to do with relationships I'm specifically talking about maturity in life maybe they've gone to college like you know there's a lot of different things that will help shape the woman and the person that they're going to become okay so there's a yeah a couple

Brian Atlasthings here so you mentioned life experience do you think a woman's life experience is high on the totem pole in terms of what men find attractive or care about uh to be honest high quality

Brian Atlasmen would care about that about your life experience yeah high quality men would care about that so does that include both positive life experiences and negative life experiences um you know for some people

Amy (Amy Is Show)I think conversations that I've had with extremely high quality men I think they would care if you've had some contrast in your life so you can learn and grow and and yeah and and how did you come to the conclusion that high quality men

Amy (Amy Is Show)care about females life experiences like what how did you come to that conclusion they told you I've had a lot of extremely intelligent conversations with a lot of extremely

Amy (Amy Is Show)intelligent men uh uh very high level men and they absolutely if they're appropriate and they have good intent to be married to have a wife to have a family to have children etc those are the things they care about the a woman's

Amy (Amy Is Show)life experiences is is high on the totem I can tell based on your line of questioning that you're trying to like make a point so just make the point no

Brian Atlasbut I mean again I'm asking you do you think that a woman's life experiences are high on the totem pole in terms of what men find attractive or what they value in a partner if they Al so besides

Amy (Amy Is Show)physical attraction which I think is the Baseline I think physical attraction is absolutely the Baseline right okay is a 25-year-old woman more physically attractive at 25 or at 35 um sometimes 25 sometimes not if they they've had

Brian Atlassome work done they're probably a little bit do you think you're 34 correct do you think you're more physically attractive now at 34 than you were at 24 yes I do

Amy (Amy Is Show)okay we yeah we had this conversation before you haven't seen me at 24 you don't know what I look like at 24 well I just know like sort of about aging sure but um you know the impact it has on your

Andrew Wilsonskin yeah well I mean not your question was not about me my my physical body but go ahead just one quick quick point of clarification I was kind of going through I always take notes when people

Andrew Wilsonare speaking right because I have a bad memory um but you did say that you didn't have any problem if they hooked up you only had a problem if they were in a long-term relationship that was really weird I don't understand that

Amy (Amy Is Show)either I was going to bring that up I'm happy to walk through this and again guys this is just my personal opinion I find it a little icky when there's an older man dating a super young woman it seems a little weird does it give you the it gives you the ick it does yes it

Amy (Amy Is Show)gives me the you it says give you that I it gives me the ick it does it gives me the this is just my personal opinion like I said I so it's fine if they have casual sex and never talk again listen I my personal opinion

Amy (Amy Is Show)this is just my personal opinion if they're just hooking up that's their right as consenting adults where I get concerned is when the older man is trying to like look at this person as

Amy (Amy Is Show)like their wife and this poor girl who's like 21 years old has not even experienced any life in any way shape or form that's just not going to work out well that's my opinion wait hold on so just to be clear just to be clear guys I

Brian Atlasreally hold hold on let me but okay you you said the thing so I got to respond so okay just to be clear less predatory less bad if the guy [ __ ] her and never talks to her again versus I you said if

Amy (Amy Is Show)they're just hooking up and that's it but when the guy wants something a bit more serious that's where you have a bit more of an issue I think that them trying to date long term and like like

Amy (Amy Is Show)her become a wife at 21 years old to somebody who is double or triple her catch unconventional man he was the one who caught that he said I heard did you

Amy (Amy Is Show)yeah did you know did you notice that and I was like man that's a great catch I could believe it your how opinion I don't need to convince you guys I don't need to convince you guys

Amy (Amy Is Show)this is just my personal opinion I think it's icky I would I I I I don't even I'm not even mad at her I'm just like dude what are you doing like go in your own Aid range like get a little closer like what are you doing it gives me the

Brian Atlasokay but so going back to the question at hand so you said that you're kind of fine with it if it's just casual with the age Gap so if it's shortterm it's their business they're consenting adults

Amy (Amy Is Show)I just find it creepy when now you're like at a restaurant and you look next to you and this guy's gray-haired and like could be her grandfather and she looks like she just got out of high school that's weird I find it really

Brian Atlasinappropriate but so just I'll ask the question again you're okay if they hook up one two or three times and then that's the extent of it but you're not okay if the man is Desir with

Amy (Amy Is Show)that at all on a personal level but but I'm saying it's their business I'm saying it's their business I don't need you to understand this is also their business I'm not trying to you I'm not trying to convince you that's cool I'm

Brian Atlasjust ready to but I'm asking for clarification yeah okay so you're fine with it or more fine with it if it's shortterm but if the guy is desirous of longterm that's your you have my business but you know like if they're

Amy (Amy Is Show)wouldn't it be none of your business wouldn't that be none of your business if it's a longterm you asked me my opinion on seeing the news of Toby McGuire dating someone double his age I

Brian Atlassaid I don't like it right but you made a statement I'll repeat myself one more time sure you made you made a statement where you said you don't really care or you don't mind if it's just kind of casual they're just

Brian Atlashooking up do you recall saying that I do and I did so then that would seem to imply that you do have an issue then if it's more long-term if the the older man's desirous of having a long-term

Amy (Amy Is Show)relationship with her whereas if he's just like sees her at the club wants to [ __ ] then that's kind of that's cool and she's a consenting adult Etc but where it gets weird for me is like and this is for all young men and women they're

Amy (Amy Is Show)going to go through a few bodies as they're explo a lot of people in general right not everyone some people don't but like I think that that's normal that's normal that's normal it happens for guys

Amy (Amy Is Show)and bag Brian more more more life experience means more body count but if you're asking me specifically in that scenario but I'm just saying I don't think that that guy should be like getting married to someone who's Triple

Brian Atlasyounger than if they did for 5 years and now she's she's 20 now she's 25 yeah I young for Leo I'm just done Brian I'm done with this topic too ask my opinion I don't like it I don't need you I don't need you yeah but you you said another

Amy (Amy Is Show)thing and now I'm trying to get to the bottom of the thing that you said I literally you asked me my opinion I gave you my opinion I don't like it I'm asking for clarification but I don't need you to prove me right or wrong I'm not trying to prove you right or wrong I'm asking you can't even answer the

Mason Gregoirequestion well understand I understand you're trying to give your opinion you keep saying I'm giving my opinion but opinions are based on some sort of logical reasoning now all we're trying to all Brian and Andrew are trying to do

Mason Gregoireis try to figure out what is what is that logical reasoning behind it because if there is no logical reasoning behind it maybe yeah I'm going to engage in your opinion yeah that's true I'm going to engage in your opinion that's that's

Amy (Amy Is Show)correct yes I just I don't like it I don't like it you don't like it when I engage with your opinion no I'm talking about the the the dynamic I just don't like it maybe like okay that's

Brian Atlasfair move on wait wait wait wait hold on hold on just to be clear if I want to talk about this for the next 5 hours we're going to talk about it for the next 5

Brian Atlashours now I'm not inclined to talk about it for the next 5 hours but if you wanted to move on instead of kind of attempting to off escade and derail you could just like there was no derailing or offis skating I'm just saying I'm

Brian Atlasdone talking like answer the question but I did no you just kind of say I already answered the question now move on the question was you've been in a bad mood since everybody showed up yes I have been in a bad M and you're taking it out on me right now I'm not taking it

Brian Atlasout on you I would engage with you just like this regardless if if I had the most smooth pre-show I would have engaged with you just like this regardless so has nothing to a little

Brian Atlasbit nicer no no I I can I can attest but I would engage with you I would engage with you this is my nth time here I'll ask one final question and then I will move it on so just as a point of

Brian Atlasclarification can you answer you said you don't object if it's older man younger woman and they're just hooking up it's their business but you do object older man

Amy (Amy Is Show)younger woman serious long-term monogamous relationship I would look at that older man and I would wonder what is going on with his mental health that he needs to date someone who is young enough so he's mentally now older men

Brian Atlasare mentally ill for being attracted to young adult women yeah that's creepy it's creepy no it's a mental illness I think so you think it's a mental illness for men to be attracted to like a stacked 21-year-old like giant [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsontitties big [ __ ] you think it's a mental illness no no Brian Brian stop it's only a mental illness if they want to date them it's fine to [ __ ] him no I'm I'm telling you I don't care it's just my opinion it's my opinion all

Andrew Wilsonright all right hang on let's lighten the mood we lighten the mood all right like here's me throwing you a you want to sing the I just got the ick song I just got the ick come on you sing it with me it is the ick it's so gross got

Brian Atlasthe it's so gross what are you doing dating your grandfather I know it's so gross to that chick to do that so just to be clear

Brian Atlasyour position is men are mentally ill for Desiring young adult women so like 21-year-old women it's mental illness it's like yeah why would you want to

Kylie Hansendate your daughter what well he's not dating his daughter I can hold on hold on go ahead go ahead I just want to clarify your position you originally said mental

Kylie Hansenhealth right you were like it raises mental health concerns I agree with that and you're using the term mental health illness those are two very different things you can the same have mental health symptoms they the same okay so

Brian Atlasarticulate what she's trying to say when she says it's a mental health thing yo po thank you for the raid man appreciate it thank you po okay so what

Brian Atlasmental health concern is there for a man to be attracted to a 21-year-old adult woman what is the mental health my point I was just asking a clarifying question that's all I was doing so you're trying

Kylie Hansento differentiate between mental health and mental illness I was wondering if you were using the same terminology for mental health and mental illness it's okay if you are it was it was like first of all uh it was an offthe cuff comment so it's

Amy (Amy Is Show)not that serious number one but number number too um I said I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone and hear me out

Amy (Amy Is Show)for a second before you jump in there's a lot of men out there who are dating women sometimes younger or the same age as their daughters oh okay and because that's where the daughter comment came

Amy (Amy Is Show)in cuz you said well it's not his daughter that are about the same age why would you want to date someone say first of all I have a 15-year-old son I would never 5 Years From now when he's 20 I

Brian Atlaswould never okay I actually have a rebuttal to this so um does so you're saying that any

Brian Atlascharacteristic which a child possesses you must not then date a person who possesses the characteristic of your

Brian Atlaschild so for example if the skin color of your child is white how would you how dare you date somebody who's the same skin color as your child right but that's the logical yes that's I know that's not what you

Brian Atlassaid but you do you understand how I'm trying to like make a comparison here you're saying that if there's a trait that your child possesses it then becomes uh weird and creepy if you date

Brian Atlassomebody who possesses the same trait so for example if your child has blue eyes you are then a predator for dating somebody who has blue that's your argument though it's not dude are you do you really think that's what I'm saying

Amy (Amy Is Show)that do you genuinely think that I'm saying that that's what you said you literally just said that in your logic any type of characteristic that that person possesses would are you

Amy (Amy Is Show)saying that I said are you saying that I said that you said it verbatim I'm because you're you're saying of course I know you didn't say what I just said but you're basically elaborating on something and taking it down the road I

Amy (Amy Is Show)didn't even that was even a thought in my mind I don't understand this this comparison he's drawing a parallel comparison like they're comparable or we could just stay on what I actually said so like I look at you being 21 years old

Amy (Amy Is Show)as oh my God let me take you under my wing let me help you out let me like take care of you but why did she need no it's I think I I do agree okay that's what you do that a generation below you I have a question I have a question do

Brian Atlasdo you think do you think a 30-year-old man is mentally ill if they found her physically attractive there's a 10 less than 10 year difference weird L than do you think they're mentally ill if they found her physically attractive there's

Kylie Hansena less than 10 years age okay 35 I would be be concerned like dude what are you doing with a 21-year-old yeah I want to go back to your comment about young people being sponges I do agree with that your prefrontal cortex

Brian Atlasdoesn't develop start developing until you're 25 so should so should studies yeah it's been debunked so should people be voting then nope

Brian Atlasshould you be should you be able to vote at that age no hold on hold on go ahead should you be able to

Kylie Hansenvote I think I think that given our current political system and how one vote I think that's a hard one I think

Brian Atlasthat hold on okay so let me ask you a question okay so with your vote you could elect a representative a president Congressman um represent whatever it is

Brian Atlaswho could send us to war which could lead to uh a nuclear Holocaust do you think that that's a bigger issue than

Brian Atlasbeing able to have a romantic sexual relationship with a man who's 20 years 10 20 years older than you I think that's a very interesting comparison to draw between those but with your vot

Brian Atlaswith your vot here okay with your vote you can Empower a representative who could send us to war who Could That Could result in

Kylie Hansenconceivably the uh some sort of uh catastrophic scenario where the there's nuclear war you think my vote individually would have that much of an

Andrew Wilsonimpact one individual votee sometimes can come down to just two or 3,000 votes sometimes they can come down to just 20,000 votes yes definitely your vote

Andrew Wilsonmatters a great deal so what Brian's ultimate Point here is is if your prefrontal cortex is not developed until you're 25 and you can't make rational decisions on who you will end up with

Andrew Wilsononly a person with a prefrontal CeX which is fully developed can then why would we give you the rights to do Drive vote participate in in signing contracts like the military things like that

Andrew Wilsonyou're basically saying that you're not you don't have the cognitive ability to make the decision to date older men but you have the cognitive ability to run the nation and assist in that and that's where the comparison is where you're

Mason Gregoirelike what well it's not even it's not even make the cognitive decision to date older men it's making the cognitive decision to make any wise date decisions whatsoever decision period so should

Amy (Amy Is Show)should people before the age of 25 be dating at all but we're no because they can't make logical decisions until they turn 25 we're so far from the actual question you asked me my opinion on what

Andrew WilsonI thought about 21-year-old but but now we're down like voting the military the topic shift hang on the topic shifted off of you because she brought up the prefrontal cortex

Andrew Wilsonargument this is a very common feminist argument happens often and I'm fine with the argument I just am only fine with it if we can agree on the entailments of what that means it's like if you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying that a person's pre a woman's prefrontal cortex is not fully developed till 25 and because of that she's not making good rational decisions about who she can or can't date then why would we let her make rational decisions about

Amy (Amy Is Show)other things which have impacts that's the point she probably doesn't like a young people voice she has a voice she has a voice she can speak promise I'm not talking about her I'm not talking about her no I'm talking about the the woman the girl in the scenario I'm

Kylie Hansentalking about her I'll let you finish no you go ahead you're good it's okay I wasn't even talking about you no you're all good I knew you weren't you're all good um I think that is an interesting question to pose I think that it also

Kylie Hansendoes come to the fact that I pay taxes currently do you yes I do I pay taxes I work I have had multiple jobs I pay

Kylie Hansentaxes and I do think that under a democracy I do think that my vote I do think I kind of even if my prefrontal cortex hasn't developed

Andrew Wilsonfully go ahead 15 15 and 16 year olds pay taxes I'm not 15 I know but 15 and 16y olds pay taxes so that would mean that by the entailment of that 15 and 16

Andrew Wilsonyear olds should be go back to the question right the original question what I said I really just think we should all just go back to the original question yeah I know that but

Andrew Wilsonwhy I'm sorry I know that the attention is not 100% % focused on you right this second but we're having a conversation with somebody else cuz I'm curious about uh the worldview here as well if you say oh I pay taxes so I should be able to

Andrew Wilsonvote okay that makes sense but then that would apply to all taxpayers which would include 14 15 16 year olds have part-time jobs they pay taxes should they be able to

Kylie Hansenvote no there a question for you I know I'm taking a moment to think sure yeah yeah no problem

Kylie HansenI personally don't think that I would be able to give an answer on that right now I don't know I think that I'd have to think about it longer and I think that we should move on to the next person and keep discussing I was simply just trying

Kylie Hansento add on that I agreed with one of your earlier points and I respect your opinion I was only trying to do that and that has led us down a million gajillion rabbit holes and I think that we should continue moving

Amy (Amy Is Show)around do you want so you are you just conceding the point then well there's no point to concede to you asked me my opinion I gave you my opinion and you guys like vultures are like hold on let's talk about the military and voting

Amy (Amy Is Show)and all these other things I I just said it gave me the ick I don't like it and I don't need you to agree or disagree well I think the what do you mean what do you mean like vultures

Amy (Amy Is Show)Andrew been asking done this before you and I have done this before Oh you mean when I was in a room where I was outnumbered 9 to1 you're not outnumbered did I traumatize you in a

Andrew Wilsonroom where I was outnumbered really are you serious Andrew you're not out that out number 9 to1 and I was the vulture like what no I didn't say that and you weren't out

Andrew Wilsonnumbered at all there was like Five Guys on that show no there wasn't there was the host and the host silent for the entirety of the show except stin who moved it on it was me and one other

Andrew Wilsonguest it was me and one other guest no there was Michael I for the host those are the host they didn't say [ __ ] the whole show they didn't say anything the whole show doesn't mean they wer there

Andrew Wilsonit was all women versus two guys and the other guy barely said anything so I don't I don't know if you how how we were the vultures but okay all right well uh I do want to get

Brian Atlasthe other panelists in on this so back to the original thing Toby Maguire your thoughts thank you on now I'm trying to reel it all Bo you

Chase Carsonhad a lot of time to think about it yeah I know it's a lot at once okay he's 49 she's 20 your thoughts I believe it's anybody's opinion against their own

Chase Carsonbecause I have been and I have known people in age Gap relationships or casualties to where I'm like I know one

Chase Carsoncouple that is still together to this day I believe she's 18 and he's 40 and they've been together for um I

Chase Carsonthink it's 20 I might have to age difference they met but they met when she was 18 yes and he

Chase Carsonwas was high I think we can all agree object to that it was a consensual Rel it's a consensual relationship I have been to

Chase Carsontheir place to where I'm like they pretty much act like a old married couple so when they met she was 18 and he was 40 yes okay uh but in terms of

TTS / donation readerreality check donated $200 so bimbo lady basically called all men mentally ill congratulations now all your potential

Brian Atlaspartners are mentally ill have fun with that it's actually true because most men are attracted to young adult women yeah well what about if it's the opposite what happen if the women go after yeah

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