RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

Date: 2024-07-08

Duration: 8h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie Hansen >

AAmy (Amy Is Show)>

CChase Carson >

DDaria (DT176)>

MMorgan (DT176)>

HHannah (DT176)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS / donation reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chase Carson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jess(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amy (Amy Is Show)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Daria(guest)

SPEAKER_13Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_14Kylie Hansen(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteJess announces she is enlisting in the U.S. Marines at age 30. Explains motivation: lack of education, bartending at 30 feels embarrassing, wants structure and self-improvement.

“my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military... I leave in January”

QuoteJess discloses that her partner of 8.5 years died in 2019. She spent ~5 years grieving and in therapy before recently entering a new talking stage.

“my longest relationship is 8 and a half years... he has passed away since then he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life”

OtherMason Gregoire introduces himself as "primarily a Christ follower" before listing his occupation as mechanical engineer. Panel reacts. He states he is pursuing Air Force Special Warfare and is training for it.

“yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm primarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer”

ControversyMason explains why men prefer younger women: biological clock concerns, less emotional baggage, more open to deprogramming. States he would not date a woman over 30-32 due to accumulated baggage.

“I don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30 31 32 because one they all have all of this extra life baggage... I want to have a large family”

ControversyAmy states she would "question the mental health" of men attracted to women 20+ years younger and uses the word "predatory." Brian challenges her, calling the statement pathologizing of all men. Extended confrontation.

“I would be concerned about their mental health why are they dating someone... if a man is 20 years older... you're praying on them”

OtherRAGE QUIT: Amy leaves after Brian calls her "retarded" during the age-gap debate. Amy had called men who pursue much younger women mentally ill / predatory. She dropped a prop, Brian escalated. Amy states she will not tolerate disrespect and leaves despite Andrew and others asking her to stay. Brian offers to apologize if she sits back down; she does not return.

“could I make a comment as soon as like why would you call me retarded yeah I mean here's the tone policing again”

ControversyDaria and Jess respond to Amy's rage quit, noting that Amy had called all men "mentally ill" and "disgusting" before getting offended at being called a single slur. Panel broadly agrees Amy's departure lacked consistency.

“did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting... she called all men mentally ill she called but you got called”

QuoteHannah describes kicking a 28-year-old man out of her manual transmission car for not knowing what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive stick shift because she does not want to be more masculine than a man.

“and he was like why do you have three pedals I was like get the fuck out of my car... 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is”

ControversyBrian produces a Wikipedia search showing "toxic femininity" redirects to "internalized misogyny" while toxic masculinity has a full article. Used as evidence of asymmetric treatment of gender topics.

“I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity but if you try to search for toxic femininity it redirects to internalized misogyny”

QuoteAndrew Wilson apologizes for leaving the show early citing an engagement in the morning. Thanks Brian, Mason, and the panel. Leaves before the show wraps.

“Brian Brian sorry to cut you off I got to get going I got an engagement early in the morning”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status

Host Brian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara. Guests introduce themselves: Kylie Hansen (21, Denver, UCSB nanny/student), Amy (34, LA, podcast host + Army vet), Chase Carson (27, SB, hospital nutrition staff, bisexual), Daria (30, LA/Iran, tattoo artist), Jess (30, Bay Area, bartender/Marine enlistee), Morgan (29, East Bay, lash tech), Hannah (26, Maryland, web designer), Mason Gregoire (28, AZ, mechanical engineer/AF aspirant), Andrew Wilson (remote, debate host). Discussion of talking stages, exclusivity norms, relationship status, and body counts.

Talking Stage Norms and Exclusivity

Brian asks Kylie about her talking stage — does it bother her if the man she is dating sleeps with other women? Kylie initially says it would not bother her; panel pushes back. Jess and Chase argue against multi-partner talking stages. Mason shares his exclusive, marriage-focused talking stage. Hannah and others discuss initiation norms.

Body Count Discussion

Chase discloses body count of ~20-21 (thought she meant roster, not lifetime). Had 4-5 simultaneous casual partners. Jess criticizes the concept of a roster. Chase defends experimentation. Daria and others share perspectives on casual sex norms.

Toby Maguire Age-Gap Debate and Amy Rage Quit

Discussion of Toby Maguire (49) dating Lily (20). Amy calls large age-gap men mentally ill / predatory. Brian challenges her position on logical grounds. Andrew Wilson and Mason engage. Extended meta-debate on eye-rolling, respect, and tone-policing. Brian calls Amy "retarded" after she drops her prop. Amy rage-quits at ~2:22:40 despite offers to apologize.

Wage Gap and Equal Pay

Discussion of equal pay for equal work. Chase and Daria struggle to articulate positions. Mason lays out statistics: men work longer hours, take fewer sick days, take harder jobs, work graveyard shifts. General agreement that same-work same-pay is fair; wage gap attributable to occupational choice and hours. Morgan notes women in male-dominated trades can additionally monetize their rarity via TikTok.

Who Should Pay on the First Date

Brian asks each panelist who should pay on a first date. Kylie: whoever asks (acknowledges men initiate ~90% of the time). Chase: 50/50 (only been on 2 formal first dates despite 20+ sexual partners). Hannah: women should offer; if man accepts the offer he is socially inept. Morgan and Daria give various takes. Panel discussion of the asymmetry between initiating and paying.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks whether panelists would rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods. Most women choose bear. Andrew Wilson challenges the predictability argument. Hannah and Daria defend bear preference based on past negative experiences with men. Mason argues most men are harmless; bear has only two options (ignore or kill). Hannah challenged by Andrew on how to make fire without tools — she decedes she cannot.

Men's Masculinity and Peter Pan Syndrome

Hannah shares pre-show notes about men avoiding provider/protector roles causing women to become more masculine, creating a cycle. Brian and Andrew engage with the argument. Discussion of fake vs. real masculinity, controlling behavior, and absent fathers.

She Will Not Date a Man Who Cannot Drive Stick

Hannah reveals she kicked a man out of her 1995 manual transmission car when he did not know what the three pedals were. States she will not date a man who cannot drive a stick shift — "I don't want to be more masculine than a man." Andrew confirms his daily car is also a manual transmission.

Therapy Debate

Brian asks whether men's hesitance to go to therapy is toxic masculinity. Kylie says it is culturally imposed. Brian says he is skeptical of talk therapy except for specific issues. Andrew asks whether therapy actually cures anything. Kylie describes managing anxiety via therapy tools. Mason suggests alternative outlets (building things, physical activity). General discussion of therapy as green flag on dating apps.

Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity

Brian asks whether toxic masculinity exists. Most say yes. Brian then asks about toxic femininity — same answer. Wikipedia search shows toxic femininity redirects to internalized misogyny. Kylie explains patriarchy theory and standpoint feminism from her UCSB feminist theory coursework. Panel generally agrees toxic femininity is underreported.

Feminist Theory and the Draft Debate

Extended debate between Kylie, Brian, Mason, and Andrew on whether feminism is about equality or equity. Brian argues feminism fights equality when it would benefit men (cites NOW opposing Florida's 50/50 custody presumption). Draft question: Kylie agrees women should probably be drafted for equality but hedges on equity framing. Hannah clearly states women should be drafted. Mason argues men and women are intrinsically different so equality of outcome is impossible. Andrew leaves at ~7:53:47.

Transcript

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Kylie Hansenthemselves so please tell us your name age location and occup go ahead hi my name is Kylie Hansen I'm 21 I'm from Denver Colorado and I currently work as a nanny and I am a student at UC Santa

Kylie HansenBarbara what are you studying I'm studying political science and professional writing is one of the major one the minor or is that the double major yes majoring in political science

Amy (Amy Is Show)minor and professional writing all right cool what about you hello everybody I'm Amy I am 34 from Los Angeles and I am a podcast host of the Amy is show and a

TTS / donation reader16-year military veteran what branch of the uh military army okay rock and roll rock and roll uh Intel donated

TTS / donation reader$69 my sprinkler goes like this toony Maguire got bit by a spider me must have been bit by a goat great to see you Andrew uh okay thank you very much

Brian AtlasAndrew's uh he's a little bit behind he's having some power issues but we are going to uh have him calling in here momentarily thank you Intel wild appreciate it uh what what was your uh

Chase Carsonrank in the military uh staff sergeant staff sergeant okay cool what about you uh my name is Chase Carson I am 27

Chase Carsonalmost 28 next week and I am from California but I moved around all over and I work at Santa Barbara Cottage

Chase CarsonHospital in the Nutrition department are you a nutritionist or um Barista retail is like I make the coffee drinks for the

Dariadoctors and stuff like that all right welcome hi I'm Daria uh I'm from uh I was born in Iran came grew up in Los

DariaAngeles for the most part um since I was eight and I'm currently just pursuing um my uh tattooing business and working on

Dariauh my art shows and little short films and animations like that sorry age uh uh I just turned 30 30

Jessokay my name is Jess I'm 30 I'm from Bay Area California I'm a bartender and I'm actually enlisting in the military oh my gosh that's so cool yeah I leave in

Brian AtlasJanuary sorry age 30 30 what branch what branch I'm going into the Marines good for you thank you do they

Jesshave age limits for 33 33 okay all right why uh just curious why uh I guess what was the motivation um I come from a pretty hard background I

Jessdon't have much education and trying to better myself in life obviously being a bartender at 30 years old is pretty embarrassing so I should probably do something with myself and while working

Jessand supporting myself as one single human being then that's the E easiest way to get it done and not

Brian Atlaslose out on the lifestyle that I live I guess I said I uh I just Googled some because some people in the chat were saying the age limit to enlist in the

Amy (Amy Is Show)United States Marine Corps is 17 to 28 that's a li they I was a recruit for the military I was a recruiter for the military for really long time like almost six years and they do have periods of time where

Amy (Amy Is Show)they'll increase the age limit but then also depending on war time right now the military is having a really hard time with recruiting so they opened it up but also they have waivers available as well depending on what they're needing I

Jessdidn't sign any waiver and I was fully welcomed and they yeah sure I'm good cool what about you I am

MorganMorgan I am as of last week

Morgan29 um also East Bay um I am a officially as of a couple weeks ago um license lash

Morgantechnician um and I don't know if I missed anything else age where I'm from job yeah I think

Hannahyou got everything yep Hannah 26 uh from the DMV and I work in web design all right where you from DMV the

Brian AtlasDMV Maryland oh Maryland okay who would know I thought D I thought I thought you work like DC lives inside the what does

Mason Gregoirethat mean I did you say what you do for work uh web design oh web design okay Mason what about you yeah uh my name is Mason greguar um first and foremost I'm

Mason Gregoireprimarily a Christ follower my uh job is mechanical engineer uh but I'm pivoting towards uh the Air Force um um I want to go into uh Air Force Special Warfare so

Brian AtlasI'm training up for that right now it's awesome um congratulations H yeah 28 congratulations all right thank you and uh we have Andrew calling in here in any

Brian Atlasany moment guys so uh he will introduce himself momentarily going around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you

Brian Atlassingle talking stage situationship friends with benefits friends with friends with benefits did I say that relationship married married there's so many different things to that polycule

Brian Atlassex cult Harum whatever it may be that sounds if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in and starting with you go ahead talking stage talking stage all right how long have

Kylie Hansenyou been in that about a month one month okay longest relationship longest relationship I would say would have to be about a year one year okay now what

Kylie Hansendoes it mean for you to be in a talking stage what what does that look like um I think a talking stage is when you're still trying to establish if you're getting to know like you're still trying to get to know the person um don't want

Kylie Hansento rush into things but you're showing interest in them but it's not clear if you fully like them yet still trying to get to know them and decide if you'd like to become official okay how did you guys meet I was um we actually met in

Brian Atlasperson through a mutual friend are you in a sorority or anything like that no I'm not okay uh so was it like a blind date like was it a intro or you just met

Kylie Hansenat a friends Gathering party no my friend invited me out for dinner and she also said that her friend would be there as well it was a group thing and she was like oh I think you might be interested in him and then we ended up hitting it

Brian Atlasoff and we've been talking since okay all right and so uh are you guys seeing other people at all is he seeing other people are you seeing other people other people in the picture I

Kylie Hansenfeel like that's not my business in the talking stage um until we're official that's not up to me well what what about on your end on my end no but that's also cuz I'm really busy and I just don't have the time to right now but if he

Kylie Hansenwants to see other people right now that's fine it's his business but until we become if we were to become official then it would become my business it wouldn't bother you for example if you found out he was uh in sexual

Brian Atlasrelationships with three sorority girls no it wouldn't bother you it wouldn't DET jealous I'm not a jealous person and I think it's long come on so so you just move on yeah I

Kylie Hansenmeanit so you cut off the relationship no no it wouldn't bother me it wouldn't I feel like it depends on the situation I think you're giving like a very vague point I think that I would have to sit

Kylie Hansendown and talk with him and see where get a gauge on the situation but at the end of the day if he wants to do that that's his own business he's a individual person I'm not going to police him put limits on him so you continue seeing him well it would depend on the situation

Brian Atlasit's subjective he's having sexual inter course prity not not in orgy but like one's on Monday one's on Wednesday one's on Friday but

Kylie Hansenlike sleeping with multiple people at the same time is okay with you H I think it would depend more on the situation I think I'd have to sit down and talk I told you I told you the situation yeah you the situation but you told me in

Kylie Hansenlike a 10sec convo I think that there's a lot more like not everything is black and white I would have to probably sit down and talk with him I would probably end things but I'm definitely someone

Kylie Hansenwho likes to hear someone's full perspective before doing so yeah I mean yeah so you would when you say you would probably end things it would bother you to some degree well I think what you're

Jessdescribing is like a one- sentence kind of situation and I think it's a lot more complex than that I don't think so because I'm in the same sorry to interrupt you but it's okay I'm in the same situation as you

Jessare and as somebody as yourself that's not sleeping with multiple people or dating multiple people and finding out the person that you're sleeping with in the climate that we are in as far as

Jesswomen and diseases and just things in that general area that if you found out he was sleeping with three four five other

Jesspeople you would be okay with that because absolutely not because I don't I couldn't say I'm okay with that because I get it do what you want but for my own

Jesssafety for my own like reassurance for my own mental health because while you're talking to someone you're getting to know them how can you get to know me when you're getting to know four or five other people at the same time yeah because you're not going to know me

Kylie Hansenbecause you have this woman telling you this and that one and this one and that one that doesn't make sense to me I agree with your point I definitely think that that's totally valid um I didn't disclose the nature of our sexual

Jessrelations I agree that it's important to practice safe sex and everything like that no for sure that's not but I'm just saying like communication is key in that aspect and too while sleeping with

Jesssomeone obviously that is very much that is a very close thing that it's a very intimate thing so that is very hard then they have four or five other girls and

Mason Gregoireyou're just sitting there like man I hope he chooses me nope I I also think there have to be certain issues where you draw a line where you say if you're having sex with other

Mason Gregoirepeople it's not going to happen like there are certain things that you have to have a hard line doesn't matter what the reasoning cuz I mean say say he says oh hey I'm sleeping with three other chicks but I have a really good reason

Mason Gregoirefor why I have to that doesn't exist that's it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life so I mean like he could on all of these things but at the end of the day it's absolute garbage and you

Mason Gregoirekind of have to I I I'm sound stupid and cheesy for saying this you have to respect yourself and be like and you also have to respect that there are there are things in a relationship you just don't do and there are signs and

Mason Gregoiremarkers in other people that just show that they have low standards and they don't really know what they're looking for and they have practice terrible relationship whatever strategies um kind

Mason Gregoireof have to realize those and it just seems like uh you're trying to be charitable and kind and be like hey maybe he has a good reason but but that's there's certain things where you can just be like no that's just not true

Jessbut that's not real because I guess that's like a social Norm now but that is not really a social Norm because then you're in this relationship with this one person and you can sleep with five six seven people and then all of a sudden you're going to get married and

Jessyou can never sleep with anybody else again so this talking stage you might as well just talk to this person and be like hey you know what I'm not seeing anybody and if you're not seeing anybody let's go and try and figure this out but I'm not trying to be with somebody or me

Jessbe with a million other people at the same time like you're never going to get to know somebody while you have five six seven or maybe even two people three people you're never going to get to know them the way you want to get to know

Brian Atlasthem while having multiple people there I have to move things on here a little bit um first off also I forgot to mention this we're testing out a new uh audio mixer so there might be some differences in the audio I'm looking in

Brian Atlaschat Nick have you been monitoring the chat I asked earlier is there uh how's the audio guys it might be a little qu it could potentially be a little quieter than usual does it sound okay a couple people

Brian Atlasare reporting uh some potential audio issues so does it sound okay

Brian Atlasuht is it too low TTS is echoey not sure entirely what that means but knees are

Brian Atlasblown out you know what she was doing okay um and also we have Andrew here so while we

Andrew Wilsonhave Andrew uh go ahead and introduce yourself please yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing debate channel uh on

Andrew WilsonYouTube to my knowledge I am a political analyst political saturnist and uh I like to do debates every once in a while so um glad to uh to be invited here to

Andrew Wilsonwhatever I think I've already tangled up with one of you uh over on access Vegas so what's up Andrew nice to see you again should be should be a fun evening we parted as

Amy (Amy Is Show)friends we parted as friends are round two round two damn are we picking our to be honest to be honest Andrew and I are actually

Amy (Amy Is Show)on the same page on most are there's just a few topics we disagree on but it's healthy Venture but we truly

Morganare love that yeah I love to say as as uh before we get back into it as controversial as people find Andrew I

Morgandefinitely respect the the genuine criticism and uh

Morganwhat is the word maybe that might be better well no cuz I I know that he's not listening right now I'm just saying between me and him speaking the mic for

Morganthe audience um true true um definitely appreciate the I'm sorry I got to move it on um

Amy (Amy Is Show)relationship status please I am I I appreciate that as well said um I'm single I am not dating anybody longest relationship four years

Chase Carsonhow long have you uh been single I've been single for about 3 years now all right single for three years okay what about you I've been single I'm single I

Chase Carsonhave been single for 8 7 years I've been single for about 8 s years and longest I had

Brian Atlaswas two three four months about four months wait the longest relationship was four months four months but that was

Brian Atlaslike back when I was like and you're 28 right now yeah so the last time you had like a 3 to four month or any sort of

Brian Atlasrelationship when I was 21 was okay all right um so the four month three to four month one did you consider that a

Chase Carsonboyfriend girlfriend or not even that they did it was like a weird toxic relationship um so it was kind of a relationship and then it just ended up

Brian Atlasthey left they ended up ghosting me without actually breaking up with me and uh you're bisexual correct yes okay was of the people you've uh dated

Chase Carsonpredominantly men women mix of both more men but as I progressed into just being the I ended up having female Partners later on as sexual encounters but you

Brian AtlasYou' never like had a longer term thing with any women just casual just casual nothing so recently have you had casual

Brian Atlasencounters yes okay all right and so um is this just something like you're not desirous of a long-term relationship

Chase Carsonthey never uh I don't try to search for them so much anymore they always just find me whatever happens happens honestly okay so you have no desire like do you

Chase Carsonwant get married have kids anything like that I do but the kid per se for me is not good for my mental health I'm still trying to figure out what I want and who

Chase CarsonI want mhm but right now just encounters are to me more free and not structured not when you when you say encounters are more freeing what what would a encounter

Chase Carsonlook like more sexual encounters um are more freeing than other like just go out for C I'm like no more

Chase Carsoncasual um how do you typically encounter these encounters a lot of dating apps mostly

Chase CarsonClub dating apps or clubs going out bars clubs yes okay but you have to be careful on who you look for how would you like how frequently would you say you have these

Chase Carsonencounters I was on a Hiatus at the moment due to taking care of my mental status so I actually haven't it's been

Chase Carsonlike a month or two since I last had in an uh encounter a month or two okay yes all

Chase Carsonright have you ever just gone on a tear what do you mean a tear like binging string yeah and

Chase Carsonlike I do I used to have a whole bunch of like people like on my but after you can only F help them for they can only

Brian Atlashelp you with one thing but when you really need them when you're like balling your eyes out you need help it's mistake stop stop stop stop stop let her

Chase Carsonspeak go ahead because you can't figure out if you can trust them like I needed a place to stay before I move to my new place and I'm all like okay you always

Chase Carsoncall me up at 3: 2 in the morning for a booty call but when I ask to just spin the night and then I'll lead the next morning just harass my head you can't help me in that wait so you're saying

Brian Atlasyou're calling people who you've had casual sexual encounters with and you're crying and you don't have any relation like any actual deeper connection or relationship with them and the

Chase Carsonexpectation there is that they be your shoulder to cry on more I needed a place to sleep but I also are you are you homeless I was there's a

Chase CarsonI was okay just for a day before I can move into my new place always be careful

Chase Carsonand where you rent rooms from um but that's pretty much

Chase Carsonum all I have to say I forgot on what topic we were talking [Laughter] about you said you said there were a couple people that you would have on

Chase Carsonyour Snapchat so would you have a roster I have yes I have a roster from I was more of the nerdy girl back in high

Chase Carsonschool where nobody asked me out to where I kind of blossomed when I got old in my 20s and I started like hey guys

Chase Carsonhave lists with us like all the names on who they slept with let me count how many and see how high I can get to is what I thought we weird goal

Chase Carsonbut so what what's the roster currently looking like I'm trying to make it grow um right now it's only like 2021 right now but most of them are

Jessrepeat people wait 20 to 21 Le about it so wait hold on I don't know if she knows what okay how many people you're [ __ ] at

Chase Carsonone time sorry or talking to talking to at one time iers I thought you meant the screwing list like how many people you [ __ ] okay I have a roster of how many people are you talking to all at once it

Chase Carsonused to be four to 5 at in a month at a time she's saying at a time yes okay cuz you know when you're high on Tinder you swipe I've

Chase Carsonnever had a dating app when you're what on Tinder high on Tinder is what she said high on Tinder just swiping right you're like okay there's nothing going on right now let me just see what

Jesshappens well I've never had a dating app in my entire life and that's just like me maybe as like a human I understand that's like super in our culture and like obviously

Jessin our age group I genuinely from my bottom of my heart don't believe in it um

Jessbut 5 to six that's like and I get like all these dudes and you were like oh I want be like that why do you want to be like a man that's crazy like no that's

Dariaso bad don't do that I'm shut up I'm shut up experiment to know what is right and wrong for you eventually some people exper you but you will never understand

Jesswhat you want by Sleeping with multiple men you will never know what you want I promise you it's not everyone I promise you as a human being you will never become connected to one person by

JessSleeping with seven that [ __ ] saying you got to you got to before you buy it yeah so okay um you said but you mentioned something about

Brian Atlas20 21 uh 21 is hold on please like refrain from judgment okay go ahead 21 is about the the people I have slept with

Chase Carsonoh the total amount of people the total amount have the ages I have the name okay throughout your whole life that's what you meant by 21 yes that's what I

Chase Carsonmeant but like at one given time you said four to five four to five I four to five it was four to five because half of them don't message back I'm like you

Brian Atlasknow what I don't care like on and off more on and off all right chat can we uh Nick pull up chat for me please all right chat we're getting a lot of reports of there being audio

Brian Atlasissues so uh I'm hearing that my microphone is too low there's a ton of [ __ ] issues with the audio stop me being overweight to be in the Marines can you chat can you let us know don't

Morganeven read them don't even read I I told her before we came on I was like dude there talk so much [ __ ] I'm not that overweight I'm 510 I don't we can't hear

Andrew WilsonAndrew guys hear I think it might be your guys hear you the audio is just super low well they can't hear me cuz I haven't said anything but so I've been I've been watching the stream on the other end

Andrew Wilsonthe there's nothing wrong with the audio it just sounds different um so when you move your head back it sounds a little bit e because the mic next to you is catching up this or is catching the

Brian Atlassound okay um I don't know [ __ ] we're

Andrew Wilsongetting I'm getting a bunch of mixed there people are saying Echo yeah yeah so if you move your head back from the mic and you're talking loudly

Brian Atlasyou can hear the the audio going through the mic next to you hold on but it's yeah Nick that that tab we looked at before scoot it over please remember the

Brian Atlaswhere the the audio bars let me see the audio bars scoot it no no no no no no no no no no no all right here just go around on on

Dariarelationship status while I get this fixed your turn all right hey relationship status dating status right yeah yeah yeah okay

Dariauh relatively recently broken up um so you're not and but also like talking to

Mason Gregoiresomebody now so when you say talking stage in a new talking stage yeah so when you say recently broken up what are we talking about like a day ago two weeks ago okay two months ago something

Darialike that and how recently did you start talking to this new guy uh it's not a guy but I've also yeah um I've known him

Dariafor a while like it was one of my uh friends roommates so we just after that whole thing was over friendship turns so

Dariawait so did you kind of like have him on the back burner just in case no not at all she had her own thing going on and and I don't know we just like started

Dariahanging out a little bit more since I had more time obviously okay okay yeah fair enough fair enough and I was living with the guy so like I came back and was

Mason Gregoirewith friends wait so was your previous previous relationship a guy yep okay new relationship's a girl yeah okay how long is your longest relationship 4 and a

Dariahalf years gotcha I was engaged how recently was that that uh we separated in 2020

Jessokay and I was single until about late 2023 early this year okay gotcha um I'm talking to someone that's why like I was trying to have that

Jessconversation with her um my longest relationship is 8 and a half years um and I was single for almost 5

Jessyears so that 8 and 1 half year relationship were you married daating um we were

JessM uh we dated okay I yeah I'll keep it at that um he has passed away since then

Jessso he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life gotcha so um

Jessso just recently I have sought a lot of therapy I'm not going to lie and I don't have like any like and like I don't have I don't care to talk about it so so I

Jesshave S A lot of therapy and I will say that it took me a very long time to understand that part of my life mhm and move on from that okay oh yeah so now I literally just started talking to

Jesssomeone I was like Hey gotcha well it's it's cool that you're finally a place where you can yeah and I mean I've met people obviously within those 5 years but it was never anything serious and it

Mason Gregoirewas never anything worth did come through uh no you guys I we didn't hear a TTS you didn't hear the TTS at all no there's been no TTS nothing has come

Mason Gregoirethrough so okay yeah that's just so yeah yeah started something pretty recently yeah you know and like I mean I have

Jessobviously dated you can't go 5 years I am 30 years old I'm you know but it was never I knew that what I was doing was

Jessnever going to last because I was just in this very manic sad episode that I needed to figure out on my own so you looking to get married or oh yeah a th%

Jessyou know my boyfriend at the time had kids so when we were dating we never talked about having more kids cuz he had enough kids I was like more kids but now

JessI'm like sure kids uh hey Andrew could you speak testing testing one two three how's that hear him loud and clear yeah we can hear him little more little more

Andrew Wilsontell me you hate me 2 three this is a test of the emergency whatever broadcast system if you're hearing it right now that means that there are audio issues with going

Andrew Wilsonon women are going to stud they have been triggered by Alpha Chad virgin Mason that's what's going on at the moment you can see that they're very flustered they're even having side conversations even though I'm no for

Andrew Wilsonsure that they were told before the show not to do that I promis that they were but still they do it it's Girls Gone Wild in the whatever stud they can't help themselves he's

Jesstalking about us right now stop is that good Nick yeah I think that's good okay I think we're good and

Andrew Wilsonalso I'm not too fat for the military I'm 510 what I didn't say did I read don't look at that not I'm I'm not

Mason Gregoireto be honest okay okay okay hold up hold up to be honest chat if she was too overweight the they'll they'll make sure actually that's not actually true

Mason Gregoireanymore they take you they actually they have uh lowered their um BMI standards well so they'll actually put her in a program if she is too overweight where

Morganthey'll get her to the standards and then she'll go in okay not that it matters any of you but I'm not anyway any we've kind of gone off the rails a

Mason Gregoirelittle bit let's continue going dating yeah so relationship status um I am single okay I have been

Morgansingle traditionally single I guess you could say uh for the past 2 and 1 half years

Morganum and my longest relationship was with being on and off i''s say

Hannah2 years um and yeah yeah okay uh single I've been single for about a year and a half and longest

Mason Gregoirerelationship a little over two years gotcha gotcha your turn uh my turn I'm sad Brian's not here for

Mason Gregoirethis um so uh I guess in the eyes of God and the government I'm single but um uh I am I've gone on a couple dates with a

Mason Gregoiregirl I'm not going to give any more information but um yeah so like talking stage what what stage are we on I'm not really like uh I I don't really believe in like the talking stage yeah yeah we're talking but like we got on a

Amy (Amy Is Show)couple dates I'm not talking to anybody else I don't think she's talking to anybody else exclusive we're both pretty uh pretty busy people I think that's such a great question to ask like on a first date like or first or second date like what is your version of talking

Mason Gregoirestage are you seeing other people we definitely touched on that she's not totally a fan of the terminology talking stage I think she's really serious if you're not either that's probably a good exactly we're yeah kind of both really

Mason Gregoireopen about hey this is what I'm looking for I'm looking for marriage not looking for a casual thing yeah and you said you're a man of God so is she Christian

Mason Gregoiretoo yeah yes she is congratulations has to be if she's not then uh I don't entertain it that makes sense yeah mhm

Mason Gregoireis that hard to find um well so okay uh I'm just like I honestly like now it's not hard to find uh it's not hard to

Mason Gregoirefind uh girls that say they're Christian but ones who actually ones who are walking that narrow path very very few um many walk

Mason Gregoirethe broad path and call themselves Christians but very few that I've met actually walk that narrow path and follow what Jesus commands um and I I

Mason Gregoireask I I do the same thing I try my hardest to follow what Christ commands of me and uh I ask they do the same I take it seriously you got to go to the microphone sorry

Jessso that being said you're you said 28 yes okay so you're 28 so you're going to be try and meet another 28-year-old

Jessor younger I'm not saying but or younger but in this generation in this day and age you're going to try and meet another 28 or young that's never had sex or never um not

Jessnecessarily uh Brian that's okay with you Brian gets really mad when I lower the standard is that okay with you though preference I think it's his preference do you want her to have sex

Mason Gregoireor do you not I want to know sorry okay uh yes preferably when I get married to her I would very much like her to have sex but until that point well yeah cuz I want I want to be intimate with my wife

Mason Gregoirewell I mean obviously have sex but I mean joke yeah I know what you mean but beforehand well I mean so the more sexual partners you have before marriage the less likely you'll have a a

Mason Gregoiresuccessful marriage so I want somebody that preferably has very few sexual partners um so there's a greater chance

Jessof successful marriage but also it shows me that they take they take God's command seriously I agree with you on some of that but I don't agree with you on some

Jessof that because it's okay to be 30 years old MH and when you decided to go on a date or you decided to date your first boyfriend at

Jess15 or 16 and what you decided to do and if you had like five or six Partners sure so yes I mean don't have 20 or 30 but if you're over here

Mason Gregoirehaving so the STA six or seven by the time you're 30 well if if we look at statistical um evidence of so how many partners does it take for you to have is

Mason Gregoirestatistically relevant uh chance of having your marriage affected so it's usually like five if you have five or more sexual partners you are 20% like less likely to have a successful

Mason Gregoiremarriage it will it it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not it's statistical not saying that I understand that and I'm not saying that but I'm saying like and especially with men it's

Jessalways okay that men but I love men so I'm not going to bash on one at a time one at a time

Jessone at a time so I'm not bashing on men I'm not saying men anything but for right now in the generation that we're living in the climate we're living

Jessin most men become sexually active very early so for men having five Partners is not a normal thing they tend to have

Mason Gregoirehigher Partners well okay so in my statistical uh um speakings did I ever distinguish between men and women no no no but I am this well it doesn't matter statistics are statistics whether

Mason Gregoirewhether you feel like they're happy or sad like it doesn't matter they don't care about your feelings if the statistics show that after five or more sexual partners you are 20% less likely

TTS / donation readerto have a successful for something else you're correct very $69 young Jamie's going to have a bad

Jessnight today sorry I meant Nick what okay okay could I try quick who's having a young day we're not done hold onry they made

Mason Gregoireus call one person at a time I'll bring you in and then I'll bring you in you're fine you're fine you're fine yeah um so it's five more Partners but then that that statistical likelihood of a unsuccessful marriage increases the more

Jesssexual partners you have yeah cuz you're continuously searching for something that's never going to be there and as far as dating multiple people at the same time you're never going to find the one because you always have these people

Dariadoing different things you'll never get to know them you don't know them okay mine's like really quick yeah go for um I mean I don't know like I don't

DariaI've never I haven't heard of about that affecting like um long-term relationships marriages and whatnot like for example even my my own folks they're

Dariadivorced and neither of them were you know promiscuous or had more they divorced exactly you're just arguing against yourself you no they weren't

Mason Gregoirepromiscuous though and they didn't have multiple sexual partners or or anything like that well I'm not saying there are no exceptions to the rule but if you want to have the greatest bet possible

Mason Gregoireif I want the most likely success story when it comes to my marriage I want to make sure that they have as little sexual partners as possible I'm also saving myself marriage so I don't have

Mason Gregoireall of that emotional relationship baggage so I can possibly have a successful marriage leading into my 8090 years of life so you don't want a

Brian Atlasmultiple like exactly where are we on the relationship status uh we finished we got everybody can I just I I missed can you give me erro a quick recap okay

Dariayeah yeah quick repap me um newly single and um also in a talking stage fresh with a guy or girl uh girl okay longest

Dariarelationship longest was um 4 and 1/2 years four and a half yeah five yeah okay how long were you single before your talk current talking stage to about

Jessfour four what from about four years so from 2020 to 2023 what about you um I'm currently in a very new talking stage um my longest relationship is 8

Jessyears were you guys married kids engaged um he had four children yes not her kids not my children he had

Jessfour children yeah I'm asking you though yeah he had four kids I have no kids he's asking you so but I still take care of them so I technically yeah like guess do you still take care of no biological

Unknown backgroundI mean not now I mean they all graduated high school so but I mean they're still my kids ran we lagged for a second some people are saying it's back it looks it looks fun what about you um same as last time

TTS / donation readeryou're way too far from the mic same as last time still holy [ __ ] I'm going to get so tilted tonight okay go ahead sorry Brian are you on are you on something me donated

TTS / donation reader$69 we really glossing over her being a marine recruit with a former recruiter on the panel do literally one pushup war is not a joke to some of us with several happening right now and more in the

Amy (Amy Is Show)works just really quickly I actually have been to Afghanistan so I'm wondering if you have in the chat there okay I don't think he's talking about you no he literally he's talking about me recr I'm the former

Morganrecruiter so there's a lot of people in the chats recr no I was just reiterating same as last time still

Morgansingle you're not you didn't drink I'm not [ __ ] on heroin or anything like that that's what you're trying to get at because that was brought up last time no you didn't drink anything before the show well I mean at like 700 in the

Brian Atlasmorning yeah I did when I flew out here I drink on the plan weed no why because of my eye no it has

Brian Atlasactually has nothing to do with your eye you're just seem a little not totally together I seem not totally together am I

Mason Gregoirewrong I don't know Mason what do you think I mean it it's kind of like little bit all over the place what what I said that's all over the place no no no it's just kind of like

Mason Gregoirewe're trying to we're asking you to speak in the mic like always tending back off it's it's an amalgamation of things it's like not speaking into the mic it's kind of getting flustered it's

Morganlike your mannerisms are kind of all over anyway I am yes still single same as last time shout out to Michael by the way blue for you well I just recall you

Morganbeing did I ask you that last time if you were on anything no but last time we did get on the topic of how I used to have a drug problem so I figur that's why you were probably bringing that up no that's not why I brought it up at all

Brian Atlasbut I do recall your demeanor last time no my what do you mean my demeanor last time I was literally silent last time yeah your demeanor last time you were you were a bit more uh Lucid I guess

Brian Atlasokay I won't talk then that's not what I'm asking you to do I'm still single same as last time you don't need to repeat yourself I was just why I'm just curious if if you

Morganweren't like a little bit maybe you had a little weed or maybe you drank a little bit you seem a little defensive about this well only because I figured you were bringing it up because of the topic that we talked about last time

Brian Atlasthat's the only reason I got somewhat defensive about it no actually I that's the only reason I did every every single week every month every year we have we have over a thousand guests a year so I

Brian Atlashonestly don't remember [ __ ] about anybody I don't care no I don't care you I hear what you speak on the show and that's the extent of what I remember and

Brian Atlasthen I try to I try to like Men In Black erase all the [ __ ] that I hear from everybody so I don't I actually didn't recall that you were previously a drug addict I was just making an assessment

Brian Atlasbased on what I've seen in terms of your conduct thus far okay because I I actually do recall you were a bit more Lucid on the previous show well yeah so I was just asking if you had a little

Morganbit to drink before yeah and I said I did when I first entered the airport at 7:00 a.m. jet okay maybe like you took an ambient or you took no I took anything

Brian Atlasprescription did you take a Adavan or something what that's prescription medication for anxiety people will take it before they come on the show okay maybe my assessment's off what about you single I've been single for 1

Brian Atlasand A2 years longest relationship a little over 2 years all right single for one and a half years longest relationship 2 years okay Mason would by you oh shoot yeah um I said under the

Mason Gregoireeyes of of God in the state I'm single but I've been a couple dates with a girl now you got you got a lady friend Brian perks up okay I didn't get to V her yeah

Mason Gregoireyeah you didn't you will you will eventually okay uh we'll talk after the Christian yeah she is Virgin she's 20 she's I'm not going to give information like this I feel like

Jessthat's what him and I were just talking about like how are you going to be a virgin have sex with a virgin yeah I'm also not just going to error like laundry out or clean laundry can you

Mason Gregoirehave sex with a non virgin is that like allowed yeah that's not like in the Bible it's like you cannot have sex how do you feel about that huh how do you

Andrew Wilsonfeel about that that's weird I mean it's not weird no I I think it's not ideal so yeah I'll tell you howang on I'll tell you how he feels about it I'm sure if he has a virgin wife that he marries he's going to feel feel pretty [ __ ] good

Andrew Wilsonabout it that's how I think he's going to feel I think he's [ __ ] awesome as a virgin yeah but a little ideally yeah it' be awesome you're a

Andrew Wilsonvirgin and she's not a virgin what are you going to do with that well no there's a guy going to go have an unspoiled woman to marry oh that's

Jesscreepy what the [ __ ] are you talking about he got the I well no like he's not he what do how do you know what to do like what do you mean I'm also what do you mean like what what are you talking

Jessabout well I mean obviously no what to do this not what I mean but I'm like okay he's done it before if if she's done it before then what okay so like what are we talking about has she done

Jessit with like a hundred guys before say she's done it with three even one you've never had sex you don't know how sex goes I'm pretty sure I could figure it out I mean yeah you

Andrew Wilsoncan but you've never done it you really don't know what happened let's let's be genuinely honest I know now hang on now I know that Mason is an engineer and by trade brilliant man I'm sure it's going

Andrew Wilsonto be too complicated for him to figure out where the penis goes I'm sure that he's going to be super pretty much any any athletic

Mason GregoireEndeavor I've ever tried to yeah like uh I don't know conquer I've been very successful you can conquer I probably figure out pretty quickly and pretty

Jesssuccessfully how to please my wife but how does that make you like feel knowing that she's been with this many people uh that that goes into a whole lot of other

Mason Gregoirethings I it's less than ideal I would definitely say so because it those are there's emotional baggage there's relationship baggage that emotional baggage oh yeah cuz all of a sudden

TTS / donation readeryou've made these War 69 you donated $69 to The Fishnet girl are you just mad that Mason will never go for a girl like you or anyone in

Jessjust because you didn't save yourself for anyone doesn't mean you deserve a king um I genuinely think Mason is probably a very nice man Mason is nowhere near my type I apologize but not

Jessapologize but no could we be friends 1,00% um I'm just trying to understand his mindset your mindset and

Jesslike for women and especially in this generation because I have a hard time finding men that aren't wanting to sleep with 7,000 people at the same time so with you say you don't want that yeah

Mason Gregoirewell it sounds like you may be looking for the wrong type of guys cuz there are guys out there are okay so I I can use my church as an example I know I know I could list five guys off the top of my

Mason Gregoirehead I'm not going to do it because I don't want to dox them online but uh I know Five Guys off the top of my head who are incredible men they make good money they can provide for a family easily

Mason Gregoireand I can and they're they're also really Godly men like they're solid guys and girls won't won't touch them because one they're usually reserved they kind of keep themselves they're introverts

Mason Gregoireand girls don't usually like socially awkward dudes but they would be incredible husbands so maybe maybe people are just kind of looking for the wrong type of person maybe maybe people

Mason Gregoireare generally going after the Frat guy who sleeps around think about think about this this thing that you said right I'm used to guys just wanting to hump everything

Andrew Wilsonthat they see and you look at Mason you say yeah I'm sorry Mason you're not my type perhaps there's a correlation here perhaps there's a

TTS / donation readercorrelation your do podcasts the big difference is that Jerry Springer starts losing his mind 40 minutes into the show NE a

Jessvisual showing steam out of his ears the one thing Andrew I will tell you is it's not that he's not my type because of his moral values because I share those same

Jessvalues it's just I don't physically find him attractive and that's just me as a person and that's just who I am and I'm not trying to beud and that's not nice

Andrew Wilsonyou know I'm I'm very confused though about this uh this line of inquiry towards Mason what what exactly is it that you're trying to figure out here in plain English without beating around the

Jessboat right I'm not beating around the I'm just saying like okay so do like what do you want from a girl cuz you're just talking to a girl like is she the

Andrew Wilsonsame does she not have the same morals as you like what are you looking for it's not yeah but he answered he's looking for a chased Christian woman who's going to be a good wife to him that's what he's but

Amy (Amy Is Show)find that in this generation please because that doesn't exist anymore well actually I'm that woman what do you mean it doesn't exist mean I wish I knew well I'm that woman just to clarify I go to

Amy (Amy Is Show)church every Sunday I'm woman like yeah I I I do not sleep around I'm very very careful with who I date neither am I I'm looking for a husband only like so I'm

Mason Gregoirethat woman yeah no but I don't I don't mean that like to so I think people get really offended I'm not saying you're offended but some a lot of people will

Mason Gregoireget offended by this line of questioning because it immediate immediately eliminates most of the female population because most of the female population has sleeping around whereas a good guy

Mason Gregoiregenerally good guys are going to look for women who have not been whoring themselves out to every Tom Dick and Harry that walks around the street same thing in Partners but I don't think so because I regardless of the way that I

Jessdress or the way that I look I'm the same way I can count on one hand the people that I've been with can you get a little closer to the mic please I I can count on one hand the people that I've been with in my entire life like I that's awesome great I and I'm 30 years

Jessold I am not like I'm not sleeping around by any means and I'm not trying to look down on that but I'm trying to understand as a man and this culture trying to find a wife a girlfriend or

Jesssomeone to be a companion with how do you do that because people even people that I know people that I work with people that I see within my age that is not real I am an anomaly even the way

Andrew Wilsonthat I look I'm I can tell you how you go about doing this so that you understand step one you go and you get a passport and step two you f [ __ ] to a different country where chicks aren't

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] ltic and insane and you marry one of them and then you stay there in that country that's what you do like that's that's what you do if you want to find one of those chicks because you're right they are rare here but not

Andrew Wilsoneverybody shares the feminist lunatic values of modern American women but I don't exactly and I don't but I shouldn't really say that I almost said something I probably don't want to

Jessget into discussion and I am not the biggest feminist in the room I'm not going to lie to you so yeah that's not controversial she she

TTS / donation readersaid donated $200 chat can you hear this side when I say this just get into soft guy summer you need an eight figure salary earning woman to pay your bills

TTS / donation readerbe under £127 and virgin drizzle drizzle and a passport all right beating cheeks um no yeah so it is yeah you're right it's

Jessvery difficult but just because something is difficult doesn't mean I'm going to lower my standards no for sure and I apologize Tak the very very long time for me no no no yeah no we're we're just having a we're having a spirit

Mason Gregoirespirited discussion I don't take this stuff personally I'm passionate about this subject I think it's important I think people people at home need to realize that this this is an important subject who you spend the rest of your

Jesslife with is extremely important so it which is the reason why I do not lower standards matter what and their values they bring to your home your family your kids and things like that and when you

Mason Gregoiredo lower your standards terrible things happen where from that many people yes it's correct men just don't want [ __ ] it's pretty simple we don't want whes we

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