3x RAGE QUIT! She Did 100 Men In 1 DAY?! 1,000 NEXT?! Lily Phillips! Eva Lovia! | Dating Talk #227

Date: 2025-02-12

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAya (Idaho/SF)>

CCandace Horbach >

LLily Phillips >

BBecca Slider >

CCarly (SB/LA)>

KKatrina (Ottawa)>

DDanielle (Ontario)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Carly(guest)

SPEAKER_04Danielle(guest)

SPEAKER_05Aya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Patrice O'Neal (clip)(audience)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Katrina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Becca Slider(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lily Phillips(guest)

SPEAKER_14Upgrade(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAya introduces herself: 32yo, from Idaho (homeschooled, Calvinist), lives in SF. Researcher who also does escorting. Was top OnlyFans creator. Charges $4K/hr for escorting.

“all right I am Aya uh I'm 32 years old M uh my location is here but I originally came from Idaho and now I live in SF”

QuoteAya describes her escorting work: charges $4K/hr, met a client at her hotel the night before the show.

“I Char 4K for the first hour and then a th each additional hour okay how many did he just do the one or was he like a baller”

IntroCandace Horbach (Eva Lovia) introduces herself: 35yo, adult industry 2001-2017, now podcaster, based in NC/Austin. Graduated from Coastal Carolina University. Stage name Eva Lovia.

“my name is Candace horbach I'm 35 I was in the adult industry from about 2001 to 2017 um I left I started a podcast”

IntroLily Phillips introduces herself: 23yo from Darbyshire, England. Adult star. Discusses her 101-man-in-a-day challenge (October 2024) and plans to do 1000+ to break the world record (currently 1057 by Bonnie Blue).

“I'm Lily Phillips I am 23 I'm from darbishire in England I live in London um adult star”

QuoteLily Phillips announces her goal to break the world record for most men in a day (the current record is ~1057 by Bonnie Blue). Plans a "conveyor belt" setup.

“yeah H yeah so you're going to do a thousand in a in a day yes I was watching Australian check already do that”

QuoteLily describes upcoming skydiving sex scene project.

“at the end of this month I'm doing a Skydive where I suck a guys Park skydiving sex scene yeah somebody's done that I haven't seen anyone do it”

IntroBecca Slider introduces herself: 43yo confidence coach, speaker, podcaster, top 1% OnlyFans. Was ordained pastor for 10 years. Deconstructed faith ~5-6 years ago.

“I'm Becca slider I'm a confidence coach and a speaker and I host a podcast and then I'm also a 1% Creator on only fans”

IntroCarly introduces herself: 21yo, originally from Santa Barbara, lives in LA, studies marketing, part-time fashion model.

“hi yeah I'm Carly I'm 21 and I'm originally from Santa Barbara actually but I live in LA right now um and I go to college and I also model part-time”

IntroKatrina introduces herself: 35yo bartender from Ottawa, Ontario, high school education.

“my name's Katrina from Ottawa Ontario Canada I'm a bartender since I was 17 I have a high school education”

IntroDanielle introduces herself: 30yo from Elmont, Ontario. Studied addiction and justice studies. Worked for the Government of Canada.

“hi my name is Danielle I am 30 I am from Elmont Ontario uh very small town uh I went to school for addiction um along with Justice studies and police foundations”

IntroUpgrade (returning guest) introduces herself: 22yo singer-songwriter, here for her third song. Sings Etta James "At Last" a cappella.

“hello I'm upgrade this is my second time on the whatever podcast I'm 22 and and I am a singer songwriter”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst/satirist, engages in debates worldwide. Declines to sing.

“I'm not going to sing a song no sh no my name is now you have now I'm the host of The Crucible to popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst”

QuoteAya reveals she showers only ~37 times per year (record low 14-17 in 2019) and her 2022 stats spreadsheet tracking all activities.

“showered 37 what uh lowest amount of times you've ever showered in a year uh I think it was like 14 17 I think 17”

QuoteBecca admits to pity sex with her husband while pregnant with third child — "wildly insatiable" during pregnancy.

“yeah yeah when I was pregnant shit you know uh yeah I mean pity but it because when I that sounds really bad when I was pregnant with my third I wanted sex every day it was it was insane”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Katrina vigorously about her role "running" a prostitute friend, arguing that acting as a pimp is "unadulterated evil" and parasitical. Katrina defends her intentions as trying to help.

“pimp is so parasitical a literal parasite on society almost as bad as a prostitute herself”

QuoteCandace formally apologizes to Brian for making a video misrepresenting him without doing due diligence, then bows to him (rated B-minus by Brian).

“I'm so sorry that I didn't do my due diligence and I just took the gossip train and then made a video that got a lot of views and misrepresented you and your show”

QuoteBrian shows "bow video" of ex-girlfriend bowing 45 degrees and doing his laundry, cooking dinner after he came home at 1am from a podcast.

“this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend I came home it was late 1:00 a.m. after a podcast boom huge do you see the bow deep bow that was a 45 degree angle”

ControversyAndrew challenges Lily on the "unconditional parental love" debate — argues that cutting off contact for a child doing porn is not abandonment but maintaining behavioral standards. Goes in circles extensively.

“how about this what if I mean wait that makes wait wait a second that makes no sense so if it is the case they don't want you to do only fans”

QuoteKatrina's notable quote about body count: "if you give sex away for free you might as well get paid for it, ain't nothing worse than a broke ass hoe."

“if you give sex away for free you might as well get paid for it ain't nothing worse than a broke ass hoe in my opinion”

QuoteLily Phillips says her body count is between 500-1000 when asked.

“range what was it last time can't remember what I said last time cuz last time I I still didn't count last time um I'm going to go right now probably between 500 to 1,000”

QuoteAya reveals precise body count breakdown: ~109 unpaid, ~450 paid clients, total ~550.

“uh probably low 500s and 109 free wait 109 free like unpaid unpaid okay how many do you think paid or uh well I have a CRM”

ControversyAndrew challenges Aya and Candace on scientific methodology (controls, sample size) during body count/study discussion. Goes on for over 20 minutes before Brian cuts it.

“studies are all shit you haven't read my studies dude listen yes I have dove into your studies which is how I knew that teenagers were over sampled”

ControversyAndrew tells Candace to use a "sing-song voice" if she wants him to treat her with respect, sarcastically mocking her complaint about his tone being disrespectful. This pushes Candace to her limit.

“from now on when you talk to me I need you to use a sing song voice The singest sest Voice you can possibly think of because otherwise I feel disrespected”

OtherRAGE QUIT #1: Candace Horbach rage quits. Brian confirms "she rage quit." Andrew had pushed her too far with tone/condescension complaints. She said she was going to check on her husband, then left.

“I'm going to go check on her I'll be right back I okay that's fine uh all right she Rage Quit”

OtherRAGE QUIT #3: Becca Slider and others (Aya, possibly others) also leave at same time as Candace. Brian attempts to get Becca back, saying "is Becca coming back?"

“we we got we're wrapping up I'll you Candace we're Candace Candace I think we're done it's so pass for anyway”

OtherRAGE QUIT #2: Andrew Wilson voluntarily departs, citing 3am and the show being almost done. Acknowledges his presence was offensive, says his job is to challenge worldviews.

“I'll I can see that my presence has been very offensive it's 3 o'clock in the morning anyway that's my dip time yeah it was very very nice to meet all of you”

QuotePatrice O'Neal clip played: "If you didn't have a vagina, how would you keep your man?" Guests answer with mouth, hands, other holes, cooking. Brian plays the reveal where Patrice says "you just classified yourself as a series of holes."

“ladies if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right and the doctor was like we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die how how would you keep your man”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Background

All 9 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation, education. Includes Aya (researcher/escort from Idaho), Candace Horbach/Eva Lovia (adult film actress/podcaster), Lily Phillips (viral 101-man adult star), Becca Slider (ex-pastor/confidence coach), Carly (model/student), Katrina (bartender, Ottawa), Danielle (Ontario, addiction studies), Upgrade (singer-songwriter), Andrew Wilson (political analyst remote).

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares their relationship status, longest relationship, and context. Highlights: Aya (polyamorous 4yr open relationship), Candace (married 15 years, open during her career), Lily (single 3-4 years), Becca (divorced after 21 years, ethically non-monogamous), Carly (5mo single after 5yr relationship ended by cheating), Katrina (8mo relationship), Danielle (2yr relationship), Upgrade (2yr relationship with 41yo man).

Aya Pre-Show Notes: Homeschooling, Sex Work, Data & Polyamory

Brian goes through Aya's pre-show notes: evangelical Calvinist upbringing in Idaho, homeschooled, escaped factory work via adult content. Aya discusses her annual stats spreadsheet, shower frequency (37/year), LSD addiction, Lex Fridman interview, and polyamorous relationship. Debate over subordination of women morphs into semantic debate with Andrew.

Should Men Lead in Relationships? / Subordination Debate

Brian asks whether men should lead/be the "head" in relationships and who should get final say in a marriage impasse. Andrew frames it as a "threshold breaker" question. Most guests say it is circumstantial; Candace and Upgrade favor traditional male leadership. Aya goes full semantic on meaning of "should." Andrew clashes with Aya over philosophical definitions.

Eva Lovia / Candace Pre-Show Notes & OnlyFans Fraud Discussion

Candace discusses her career as Eva Lovia, her disclaimer on OnlyFans (entertainment only, no AI/chatters, to protect against delusional fans). Brian raises concerns about fraud by OnlyFans creators who use chatters/AI while claiming personal interaction. Aya reveals she tried a chatter and income skyrocketed but it made her sad. Discussion of body count stats and body count survey data from Aya's research.

Bear vs. Man Debate

Brian asks the classic "bear or man in the woods" question. Most guests pick bear. Andrew and Brian argue the position is logically equivalent to a racist position if applied to a demographic group, making it sexist. Upgrade says picking bear is sexist but may come from personal experience.

Becca Slider: Ex-Pastor to OnlyFans, "Pussy-Based Confidence"

Becca explains her journey from 10-year ordained evangelical pastor to confidence coach and OnlyFans creator. She discusses "pussy-based confidence" (sexual creative life force), Christian deconstruction, the role of fear in Christianity's foundations, bisexuality since age 16, swinging then open marriage, and her coaching philosophy. Andrew challenges her framework as a form of dogma/programming.

Katrina: Running a Prostitute, Drug World, Show Notes

Brian reads Katrina's pre-show notes: she has two moms, "ran" a prostitute friend (did makeup/calls/driving) as an attempt to help. Andrew debates the ethics of pimping vigorously with Katrina. Katrina describes discovering her "gangster" boyfriend having sex with a male friend (traumatizing experience). She says ain't nothing worse than a broke hoe.

Candace Apology & Bow to Brian

After Brian reveals Candace had made a video misrepresenting him (based on unverified secondhand Special Forces claim), Andrew pushes her to apologize. She eventually does, apologizing for not doing due diligence. Brian then asks her to bow — she does (rated B-minus). Discussion of the "bow video" Brian made of his ex-girlfriend.

Self-Rating Round (1-10, no 7)

Brian asks each guest to rate their own appearance 1-10 (cannot pick 7). Aya: 4.6; Candace: declined/no number; Lily: 8; Becca: 8; Carly: 6; Katrina: 8 (with makeup)/4 (without); Danielle: 6; Upgrade: 6; Andrew: 4-5. Andrew lectures about women lying about their self-assessments in social groups vs. men who call each other out. Long debate with Aya over semantics of "judging."

Lily Phillips Parenting / Sex Work & Unconditional Love Debate

Brian asks Lily whether she would have done OnlyFans if her parents gave an ultimatum. Debate spirals into Andrew challenging whether parents cutting off contact for sex work is "abandoning" the child (Lily's view) vs. maintaining behavioral standards (Andrew's view). Most guests feel unconditional parental love means maintaining contact. Andrew says love can coexist with behavioral standards.

AI Age Progression & Gender Swap Photos

Brian shows AI-generated aged versions of all guests (10+ years older) and gender-swapped versions. Comedic segment; Lily's aged version prompts "crypt keeper" jokes. Guests react to their gender-swapped versions and whether they would date/sleep with the male version of themselves.

Body Count Round & Discussion

Brian asks each guest their body count. Lily: 500-1000; Aya: ~550 (109 unpaid, ~450 paid); Candace: 9 personal + ~12-20 work scenes; Carly: 23-28; Danielle: 8; Katrina: under 35 (excluded coerced encounters); Upgrade: single digit; Andrew: did not give number. Discussion of whether body count matters (Lily: makes you better in bed; Becca: patterns matter more; Candace: 9 personal; most say circumstantial). Aya's survey data shows median ~5, raising to 10 by age 40. Andrew and Candace debate sample size and scientific controls.

All Day Foreplay / Viral Clip Discussion (Candace)

Candace describes her viral Twitter clip about "all-day foreplay" — the idea that women's arousal has more on/off switches (stressors = brakes), and that men following through on commitments reduces stress and improves intimacy. Andrew challenges this, arguing data shows women are most attracted to men who DON'T do chores (traditional masculine non-domestic behavior), that what she's really describing is feminist relationship dynamics. Extended debate about whether follow-through is masculine or if asking men to do chores is attraction-killing.

Rage Quit #1 — Candace & Others Leave

Andrew's confrontational tone throughout the show reaches a breaking point. Candace's husband texts. After hours of debate, Candace says "I'm going to go check on her [wife]" and leaves. Aya stays to wait for roast. Brian says "she rage quit." Carly, Becca and others also start to leave. Brian pleads for them to stay.

Andrew Wilson Rage Quit / Departure

Andrew acknowledges his presence has been offensive and says "it's 3 o'clock in the morning anyway, that's my dip time." Insists he wasn't trying to insult anyone — his job is to challenge worldviews. Lily tells him they're not getting into this anymore. Andrew says goodnight and leaves.

Roast Session

Final roast session with remaining guests (Carly, Lily, Katrina, Danielle, Upgrade). $30 TTS messages come in roasting all guests. Highlights: "Lily Phillips father" donates for her chair; OJ Simpson character asks Carly about a skin tag; Thor says "make low body count great again." Brian offers Lily $20/hour to stop sex work. Patrice O'Neal clip played about "how would you keep your man if you had a train accident."

Makeup Removal Challenge

Brian brings out makeup wipes (Neutrogena brand, debated). Carly and others try to remove makeup on camera. Light segment after emotional episode.

Transcript

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Lily Phillipsa relationship I don't watch porn at all um and I you got to save your energy for your girl like you can't be I agree off yeah yeah yeah you need to come on like I hate when people are

Lily Phillipslike this though what do you as in they only bust up once like in a day I feel like you need to actually like work for it and get to that third not cuz then meaningful the guy or yeah the guy I

Brian Atlasdon't know I'm 35 I'm maybe when I was 18 you know 203 okay I'm good one a day I'm okay I feel like when you get there though it's the better orgasm the third fourth fth I'm

Brian Atlaslike in pain after [ __ ] God damn when was the last time you tried when's the last time honestly I can't believe I'm going to answer this

Brian Atlas[ __ ] question um when's the last time I've had three organ hold on let me think yeah you're lazy if you just mouth That Got Away there's

Brian Atlasthis one girl she just oh don't know was [ __ ] Trump the first Trump Administration how about that oh man yeah it's been a look

Brian AtlasI I'm good once sometimes I'll do twice okay sometimes I don't know look after what once got to work on that men lazy these days why Y no hold on just to be clear just to be clear first the girl

Brian Atlashas to come first if possible she's going to come multiple times but I'm not trying to have like sex 10 times in the night she has to do my laundry she has

Brian Atlasto do chill out chill she she has to do my La there's time for her to do my laundry and bow and cook dinner okay

Brian Atlasthat's the time that's also it's like sex it's like okay look you've had sex sex is great don't get me wrong sex is great right but it's like how about the

Brian Atlasother like 12 hours I'm spending with you like you have to make yourself more appealing than just having a [ __ ] not some of us that was not some

Brian Atlasof us I don't know I don't know um I can't imagine you having sex you I'm trying to picture in my head that's don't visualize it I don't consent to you

Brian Atlasvisualizing I do not uh I'm undressing you with my eyes that's crazy um should we draw fan art later uh what what was I I don't know

Andrew Wilsonwhere I was going with this why did I why did I reveal this um terrible I do apprciate move on I did I did have a a quick question as I was I was thinking about this so Lily kind of back to this

Andrew Wilsonother thing we were talking about just briefly very briefly I was thinking about how this sounds out loud if if I said if if my daughter came

Andrew Wilsonto me and she was like dad I want to [ __ ] a thousand dudes in a day to set a record H yeah and I was like well honey that's against my moral

Andrew Wilsonvalues and if you do that I'm going to have to distance myself from you because that's disgusting and gross would your response actually be why don't you love me Daddy I

Lily Phillipsnever see we're going back in this circle again that I say when I say it out loud it actually sounds even worse if so your daughter

Andrew Wilsoncomes to you you're you're a man and says I'm going to [ __ ] 1,000 men in a day and he's like listen this is completely there there is nothing

Andrew Wilsonmorally wrong with [ __ ] a thousand guys in a day he says this is completely against my moral code if you do this until this Behavior stops I don't I don't want anything else to do with you

Lily Phillipsstop after a day really you think that that's him not loving you like really so for me personally if I was a parent and my child want to do sex work and that

Lily Phillipswould then be my thing to be like okay I want to I want to guide them through it I want to you know make sure they they get all the information I don't just want to abandon them and UNL them you

Andrew Wilsonknow what I mean like I I think it makes no sense D I want to [ __ ] 1,000 men a single day honey please don't do this this is reputationally damaging to you it's horrible for our family it's awful

Andrew Wilsonwhat you're doing please don't do it if you do I got to turn my back until you at least stop this Behavior daddy why don't you love me like really does that even make sense to you we we oh my God

Lily Phillipswe're going to go around in circles like I'm going to agree to disagree I firmly believe that as a parent that like you should always love and stick by your child what whatever they go through and whatever they

Andrew Wilsondo yeah no but I haven't agreed you disagree like if you agree to disagree we both agree but I I haven't actually heard your disagreement does that actually sound correct to you that I

Lily Phillipsdon't want to keep arguing with you cuz I know I know what I believe in I don't the thing is I don't really care to keep arguing with you because I'm not going to change your opinion and you're not going to change mine there's tens of thousands of people hundreds of

Andrew Wilsonthousands perhaps Millions who will watch the clips of The Exchange here who do want to know the answer and the so I do want to know the actual answer here the answer to but dad you just don't

Andrew Wilsonlove me because he turned his back if you [ __ ] 1,000 men in a day do you actually stand behind that [ __ ] people that's not him loving you hang on hang on let me ask a question do you

Lily Phillipsactually stand behind the fact that that's him not loving you 100% yes I think you should Stand by Your Child whatever they do all

Brian Atlasright thank you it's all that's all I had okay uh let's see if there's anything more here with Carly your notes

Brian Atlasum yeah men should stop watching porn no offense to you guys that do that thing but um I I I feel like it this is a

Brian Atlaspretty common uh standard uh for women or maybe even the preference I think most women would prefer if their

Brian Atlasboyfriend wasn't watching porn yeah I mean I feel like that is pretty standard uh you said that you have a take that higher body count on a guy

Brian Atlasgirl actually makes for better long-term relationship material I forgot I wrote that yeah you did write that yeah low key cuz I don't know in the guy or in the woman or both it doesn't matter

Carlydoesn't matter cuz I mean I feel like well as long as it's like you know they're clean whatever um yeah but why why does it make for a better long-term relation a they've like had experience they've been around they've seen things

Carlythey know what they like they know what they don't like they know what kind of people they get along with they know what kind of people they don't blah blah blah and so then like if they're wanting to get into like an actual relationship

Brian Atlaswith you and like genuinely just stick to you then like they're more likely to stick it out in a relationship yeah well I mean there is like the SE sexual compatibility component but like when it

Brian Atlascomes to knowing what you like in terms of a person I don't know if you necessarily need to have sex or have sex with a lot of different people to be able to make determinations as to like personality assessments no not

Carlynecessarily like I definitely agree that you don't have to you know have like a high body count to be a good partner right I just think that you know there's a lot of stigma around that and a lot of

Carlypeople are like oh so do you think body count like should not matter I mean personally for me it doesn't matter like M but other people have like their own opinions and their own

Carlytakes um and do you think men who do care about body count do you think that they uh insecure for caring about it um I mean maybe like a little bit I think

Carlyit's mainly like if they keep bringing it up and they like compare themselves and they like just you know it's like a little thing like an issue that you

Brian Atlascan't get rid of then that's like going around the table uh do you think body count matters and do you think men who do care about body count who maybe would disqualify a woman if she had a high

Brian Atlasbody count whatever that that might be for him do you think that would be him being insecure starting with you Aya uh yes it would be him being insecure but also I strongly defend the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)right of people to be insecure and I think this is f preferences okay I think this is good uh Candace what do you think um I don't think it matters um I don't think the body count matters I'm

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)more interested in like why person's having sex or a lot of sex um cuz you can I think you can do the same thing with different intentions and yeah I I would agree I think everyone has the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)right to their preferences so if someone doesn't like a high high body count that's totally fine but I do think that there tends to be a link to some insecurity with that sure but again if you link it to like just like bad behavior and decisionmaking in general

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)and then you see a pattern that's like not just isolated to sexual encounters and that would be worrisome for sure okay Lily what about you what do you think I do kind of think body count

Lily Phillipsmatters but more in the way of it makes you a better partner in bed like you would want boxing lessons of the guy who's had a thousand fights versus the guy who's had one

Lily Phillipsfight wouldn't wouldn't you want though in a boxing match to box the guy who has no boxing experience so you can lessons off lessons off sorry I know I know but I

Brian Atlaswas just changing the analogy a little bit but okay so uh body count to you doesn't matter as in I I think it does matter because I think it makes you a better better partner in badge I see

Becca Sliderokay what about you I don't think it matters I think that patterns matter though which is kind of speaks to what she was saying so if someone's like almost like you see a sex addiction pattern where it's like they're just every other night finding a new person

Brian Atlasto [ __ ] that type of pattern matters to me much more than the body count okay and are men who who do care or would disqualify a Woman based solely on her body count do you think that's are they insecure is it wrong I think it speaks

Becca Sliderto some insecurity I think again there's some preference there though too I think it's hard to analyze everybody's bra sure Carly well I think you gave your take right yeah what about

Katrinayou I think it's all circumstantial and individual I don't think that uh paint everybody with one brush everybody's different so to me it

Katrinamatters I don't judge people for their high body counts though do you think a man would be insecure if he cared about a woman's body count didn't want to date her because of it I mean if you're gonna date a porn star then I don't think you

Katrinashould care about her body count if you want to date not a porn star then but she has a high body count well she

Brian Atlasbroke she's a broke ass home like [ __ ] broke ass hoes over here not you guys not you guys not you guys vaguely in

Brian Atlasgeneral I think again like California are okay that's fine what about you um um yes 100% inse insecure for the guy to care about that oh no no he's

Upgradeyeah that's totally okay bodyc count matters is it in Body Matters I don't think it's about um I think it depends on the person but uh I think body count does matter because it it conveys what

Upgradesort of quote unquote experience you have um I don't necessarily think it's insecure for a person to care about it I think um if they care about it they

Brian Atlasmight have their own reasons okay all right uh well so uh some of you said body count should it matter doesn't matter uh

Brian Atlascurious to know what's your body count starting with our good friend Lily [ __ ] off come on what is it you think I know range give us a range

Lily Phillipsrange what was it last time can't remember what I said last time cuz last time I I still didn't count last time um I'm going to go right now probably

Brian Atlasbetween 500 to 1,000 that's the range i' 500 to 1,000 okay all right uh Aya and then we'll go around this way starting with you go ahead uh probably low 500s

Ayaand 109 free wait 109 free like unpaid unpaid okay how many do you think paid or uh well I have a CRM but I have I haven't update in a

Ayabit so probably around 450 I think clients I've had do you have an exact number or not I can go look I did look up the exact number at one point but my guess right it's over it's about 500 uh

Ayamy guess is around 450 paid and around it's 109 specifically have a spreadsheet um unpaid 109 unpaid 500 paid okay uh

Aya450 is 450 so roughly the total should be low 50s low 500s maybe 550 okay got it I want to claim more Valor than I

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)have all right uh what about you um personal life is nine and for work I don't know cuz someone pulled up my I guess there's the uh an

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)explicit version of IMDb basically and it says all of your scenes But it includes solos and I don't know if we're counting women um so that's all lumped in there yeah counting the scenes yeah yeah I don't know so when I first started working I would work with like

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)12 guys and that was it and just kind of go through that I was going to say this quite small pretty low for me so nine civilian life and you said like 12 I started with 12 and then towards the end

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)of my career I added a couple cuz I was working in the UK a lot and they're different performers but it's not maybe 15 to 20 or something like that that sounds about right all right what about

Carlyyou I if I have to estimate probably between 23 and 28 23 to 28 okay mine's actually eight cuz I was in a longterm

Brian Atlasrelationship oh okay eight because you were in a long-term relationship all right uh go ahead

Katrinaum I don't really want to answer this question you don't want to no I don't I'll tell you the amount of men that I've wanted to have sex with that I had

Brian Atlassex with since probably about six or seven that I was like this guy is somebody I want to let in okay yeah wait didn't you say something about body count or like

Brian Atlasyou're like asking like how do you count it okay um huh okay is that is that an answer I don't like it is cuz she's senting at

Katrinanon-consensual well like I wouldn't say like it was were some no she didn't actually say non-consensual no I said she's cting yeah it's just like it wasn't like that I it's like that I let

Katrinaor that I felt sorry for like you know I don't want to count those guys because um it wasn't something but if he if he did count those people he did actually

Andrew Wilsonconsent to was that uh hold on hold

Becca Slideron yeah so you were just saying that you don't want to include people where it was like pity sex or yeah or something

Andrew Wilsonlike just that like but if you if you included everybody you consented to not like I wanted to that was like I like

Katrinathis guy do no hang on hang on not wanted to but consented to I think that's a fine line on that

Katrinaconsent thing because um I don't want to claim like I was our SA or anything like that cuz I put myself in those

Katrinapositions um but I don't think that they warrant one of my numbers why not if you could I mean if

Katrinayou can sent the set I to me consent is like I'm horny and do that to me right now yeah but likeu isent like you know wouldn't you agree

Andrew Wilsonat least like pity a Pity [ __ ] is definitely consent

Katrinaum what if I like didn't like if I regretted it regret regret a lot of times a lot of times

Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah so when it comes to regret for instance there's many many cases I can site of women who regretted sleeping with a man the next day and then called it essay and then when it was it was

Andrew Wilsonclearly hang on it was clearly not the case what I'm asking is what the count is that you actually consented to that was not

Katrinaa

Katrinait's I don't think that you're understanding my position when I'm letting you know that like I don't want to call it essay because I put my myself there but I didn't go there with the

Katrinaintention that I wanted to do that like it had happened because you know out of

Katrinajust like not leaving me alone until it happened or like you know um all kinds of different scenarios um and I learned from each one

Katrinaof them and I felt every time I got I walked away from those I felt like [ __ ] and I didn't feel um good about myself and so I didn't put myself in those positions anymore it kind of took me a little bit while to figure it out yeah

Andrew Wilsonthere's this one time where I was in the middle it was in Hell divers too I was in the middle of this bug hunt and we were just destroying everything and it was great my wife came over and she's like let's go to the bedroom and I was

Andrew Wilsonlike no I'm in the middle of Hell divers too and I'm just destroying everything and she was like no we got to go to the bedroom and I was like damn it and I went and I failed the raid and it sucked

Andrew Wilsonright right I couldn't believe it that this had happened right but it did and I totally consented to it so the thing is is like I'm not asking about your [ __ ] regret because I don't give a [ __ ] about your regret I'm asking if it

Andrew Wilsonwas not essay what's the actual body count that's what I'm asking um

UpgradeI under 35 okay thank you I appreciate that what about you uh

Upgrade21 um a single digit I've only ever been in long-term relationships but this between me and

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Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)Ro session Rose session this whole show I guess that's that's fair that's fair hasn't started yet from the very

Brian Atlasbeginning that's fair um uh so Candice you have an IMDb bio oh boy it starts by

Brian Atlasdescribing you as Buxom and shap leaf 53 brunette knockout of mixed Spanish and Japanese descent how do you feel Candice

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)being called Buxom I didn't even know what that was what is buckon I don't know I would be guessing I think it's like kind of it's like an energy thing

Brian Atlasright like like feisty oh no Buxom real smart um of a woman plump ESP especially with large breasts very flattering I don't know if

Brian Atlasthat's flattering whatever no it's not none of that flattering uh let's see here you said that uh you see uh we'll save that for later um hold

Brian Atlason uh body count really we were just talking about it I saw you were on this podcast uh you claimed that the average is five mhm uh and was this like based

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)off of like other people data or like I mean you can probably Google it and like see what studies will pop up but it's referenced a lot in a lot of um like evolutionary psychology or like professional date like dating

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)psychologist there's this one guy in Britain I can't remember his name he's got great hair he does all of the rotations but it was one of his podcast that he was going through the research I think he's in Cambridge maybe do you

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)know the date of the cuz I've heard the five number since the like the 9s so no I I mean they were I don't know when the research was conducted no okay I actually thought it was pretty like and then I was wondering if people were

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)being honest with self-reporting and then that's why I asked a earlier today I was like do you believe that it's five cuz that seems exceptionally low but I think it's also skewed because when you go online everything that generates the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)most views and gets the most um like it pops up on the most algorith algorith yeah the algorithms is um like the more salacious take so we think that being promiscuous is more common than it

Brian Atlasactually is I I've seen some other studies that put it a little bit higher like 7 hate I I still think that that's dubious though and then I also do Wonder like what is the age cohort of the people that they're looking at cuz I

Brian Atlaswonder if you're like pulling from like an like your your uh surveying like part of the survey includes like 70 and 80 year olds I don't know like how material that would be to like sort of the modern

Brian Atlasdating landscape what age would you be interested in what in dating no no no no like know to have the information I think like 18 to 40 is 18 that's still such a big gap it is and there's a lot of differences between like you know gen

Brian AtlasZ Millennial it is but like 18 to 35 is like I the cohort of people that are like more likely to be single that you're more likely to encounter uh when

Ayayou're dating but um I have the data on this at least I mean it's a relatively liberal population so it's probably slightly inflated but it raises at least the median I mean if depending on if you

Brian Atlaswant the Medan average raises to around 10 um when people hit about 40 so 10 at 40 yeah so my guess is it's slightly inflated but not significantly but I'm just wondering if they're like including the 60 and 70 year olds they're so far

Ayaremoved from the dating pool so the the the My Graph goes like this and it slowly evens out at 40 with a very slight increase at that point so like 50 60 year olds of my data we're closer to like maybe I think it was like 15 people

Ayaor something interes but this is median not average so median is like when you split the population half and half and then average outliers can pull that up really high the average body count for older people in my data set specifically

Ayawhich again is liberal uh was around like I think up mid low 20s 20 something and when you say older people like 40 to 50 like people in their 50s and 60s my sample size for that was a lot lower so

Brian Atlaslow confidence interesting okay and do you like if we're looking at projections do you think like people are 20 now do you think that that'll be their body counts when they're 50 or I me unclear like I didn't I didn't track across time it's possible that like different

Ayagenerational pressures will cause different body counts Yeah but I to me it's like I don't know going to college

Brian Atlasfive I don't but going to college is in itself a big selection like but a lot of women like don't the majority of people go to college uh what is it like 60% of people and well there's more there's even more women who go to but like I

Brian Atlasremember when I was in college and this was before the dating apps granted I Santa bar is a bit of a party anyways maybe I'm biased a little bit here but um one the [ __ ] I saw

Brian Atlasanecdotally and then just like if a woman has a five body count in her first freshman fall quarter

Brian Atlassemester she's a saint like I mean not really but like that's kind of like it's kind relatively it's kind of low like where I grew up is

Brian Atlasextremely high I think this is very cultural like like the because I mean my own experience is like going out a lot of these girls Thursday Friday Saturday night they're in college they're

Brian Atlasdrinking partying doing drugs and like I think actually there's some studies that indicate that uh like gen Z they're actually drinking and partying way less um I think there's probably a bunch of

Brian Atlasreasons for that but like when I was in college like it super super common like you were an outlier if you weren't like partying in college uh partying drinking in college right now it seems anyways

Brian Atlaswith jenzie it's a little bit shifting a little different but like these girls would go out and sleep sleep with a new guy maybe once a week sometimes they do like Thursday Friday Saturday maybe one

Brian Atlastwo three guys in a weekend yeah so for a girl to just like have a like you say the average is five I'm thinking back to my college experiences I'm like they do that they

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)do 10 or 20 their fresh like their freshman year no I agree I I have serious doubts too it's just the person that was is I'm bringing up the study and I don't know if you can find it or not or like at least that podcast host

Ayathat was um saying the statistic it didn't seem truthful no well a lot of the US is very religious I mean were those people going and partying religious like my guess is you like fell into a certain section of people that

Andrew Wilsonwere likely to party all the religious people are staying home wait a second wait a second when you say a good portion of the US is very religious what do we mean by very religious do we mean that they self-identify as being

Ayareligious or do we mean that they're actually practicing the religion yeah I think we could check maybe Church attend is a proxy I agree that there are a lot of lukor Christians uh I used to be very Christian I just the self ID is not

Ayagoing to cut it I understand the argument but even if you are just self iding and not walking the walk quite as hard still being in a culture that like really has pressures against it I think it's aist are in the same culture so

Andrew Wilsonthat makes no sense right so atheists are in the same culture as the self ided Christians and if the self ided Christians aren't doing Church attendance or any of the Christian things then how are they not just in in the same culture that the atheists are I

AyaI agree but I think a good portion of the US does go to church pretty regularly which I agree is not proof that they are of the US doesn't go to the church or go to church regularly

Andrew Wilsonthey go occasionally that's the vast majority of the self ID Christi the ones who are more rigorous have completely different stats right so the ones who are more rigorous they're going to have different stats when it comes to how many children they've had

Andrew Wilsonthey're going to have different stats when it comes to STDs you're going to have different stats for all these things so it does seem that the more rigorous that you're practicing the religion uh the the more that this would be a determining Factor right so that's

Andrew Wilsonwhy I want to clarify whether we're just talking about self ID or actual rigorism because then the the numbers greatly change don't they uh yeah definitely I mean this is reflected in my data you

Andrew Wilsonare correct so I'm not willing to say then that the vast majority are Rel are are religious like you're saying then I think that that is almost STW maning your own position think I said majority

Ayabut we can just check the you said the vast majority of are are religious uh I don't think I did but if I did I misspoke I think there a good chunk of the we can just check the we can Google

Andrew Wilsonit and if it's like oh it's 30% I'll be like sure I I'm down to say 30% but I just think that the best place for this is Pew right not just Google You' go to Pew research Pew research actually dove into this and looked at the rigorism

Andrew Wilsonversus the non- rigorism when it came to the studies and we can see that the more rigorous you are the more that these things actually apply to you versus your self ID the only reason I'm being hyp specific here because I know you love

Andrew Wilsonthat is also because I I want to make sure that when you're giving out this data when you say to Brian well most people are are are religious or Mo well I'm not sure we got to be careful with

Ayathat language right when you're giving stats especially your own I'm not giving my own stats for most people are religious I just thought there's a bunch of people in the US who are in religious culture and we're just generally not seeing them when we go to Party colleges if you're partying in a college and

Ayapeople are going out drinking you're probably not seeing good God-fearing Christians who are going to church they're not included in that sample well maybe they used to party but now they're Christian maybe Andrew calls this the

Andrew Wilsongreat ho Reformation sorry I'm trying to do it in Andrew's voice but well I think it's a uh well okay so my my best like Protestant version is like so I do miss

Andrew Wilsonthe Protestant fire and brimstone preatures the you're going to go straight to hell you Harlot like those guys I thought that they were kind of based I'm not going to lie uh but now

Andrew Wilsonit's become uh kind of this much broader what I would would commonly refer to as the sewing Circle Christian and the idea

Andrew Wilsonhere is I think that what has occurred is that because Christianity is designed specifically for the Reformation of the Soul it's the idea of regeneration the

Andrew Wilsonidea that no matter how badly you've sinned the Jesus Christ is still there for you that is true however there are a huge amount of women who try to utilize

Andrew WilsonChristianity to buy a new reputation they think that because they have been saved now their reputation has also been saved and that's just simply not the case the right your reputation still

Andrew Wilsonyour reputation so imagine for instance uh if a priest was a PDF which that happens right that happens um we we don't Salvage their reputation cuz

Andrew Wilsonthey're also priest instead they get still get burdened with the reputation in fact even more so because they're a priest and yet for some reason when it comes to prostitutes with thousands of men in the body count who suddenly are

Andrew Wilsonpart of women's Liberation Christianity suddenly they say well wait a second you can't judge what I've done in this and that or nor my authority

Andrew Wilsontowards any biblical anything because I've bought a new rep reputation with my religion that is a modern phenomenon we'll get right back into it

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Brian Atlasy have you ever like worked with somebody and then they're you're you there's like something like in their eyes that just clicks and and you're like this [ __ ] masturb like have has that happened you're like this guy

Brian Atlaswatched my stuff you know like in my personal life like personal or on a scene like personal no no like personal life or even like in business or something and then they kind of like do a double take and they're like wait oh

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)you know yeah every guy I've been with has watch has seen it before wait every guy you've been like has you've dated or that I've dated or slept with well not dated because my first boyfriend was before I got into the industry yeah and

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)then the second one I ended up marrying but like um guys that were like either part of like the open or like whatever yeah okay they've all seen uh I guess you have you had another thing here on

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)body count but I mean you went to college right mhm I don't know you you saw some I went to mytle beach okay so it was a party University so I mean girls would probably get five over the

Brian Atlasweekend you know so that's when I see that number I'm like you aren't being the sorority girls are you kidding me well the crazy thing is the sorority girls tell the Frack guys that they're virgins but they're not no other [ __ ] like that yeah so I think that's

Brian Atlasprobably what's happening with a lot of those polls a lot of I do think people even if even I think with Anonymous polls I think people like still don't want to tell the truth even then want

Brian Atlasadmit it mhm yeah but um body count you said uh what are what are you trying to gain from that question you don't think it's a whole lot um I think you can get good amount

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)of info from the body I think superficially sure but I think that there are more important questions to ask if you're trying to date someone or if you're trying to figure out if that's a good match or not so again there there

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)can and coming from the industry I was in there for plenty of years I've seen women that go in and they treat it like a business and they're making decisions like in alignment with whatever their

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)values are or goals are and then I've seen train wrecks go in and they're like very much there because of like a survival reason right so I'm more curious as to like why you're doing that action and to like dive deeper into the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)behavior instead of just looking at the behavior and saying that that is um that's indicative of like this personality trade across the board and it might be true like there might be certain truths that are um that are linked to that absolutely I'm not

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)denying that but I'm just saying if you're going to investigate someone as a partner or a life partner there's deeper questions that you have to be asking I agree like are they in therapy what psychoactive medications do

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)they take well that yeah those that those are important absolutely I've had people um not romantic relationships but like employees lie about like mental health stuff or like they're not on medications and I mean I know that Hippa

Brian Atlasand all of that but that's important information to know sure you did also indicate I think this is the last thing on body count um you said there was no correlation to faithfulness INF Fidelity

Brian Atlaswhen it came to body count yes uh I mean I did want to challenge you a little bit on this there's a bunch of at least from what I've seen there's a bunch of studies that seem to indicate that it is there is a correlation the sample size with those is really off and then I

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)don't know what a Delta was I was giving it to someone who's much smarter than me that can actually read stats and I sent it to him and I was like um can you like tell me cuz this goes against the argument or the conversation that we were having the other day and he said it

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)um there's really high Delta and I don't know what that means in that uh like a span like a standard deviation well there was an issue with the delta in those research papers the Gap I don't

Unknownknow I'm not a statistician or a researcher or a journalist as we established earlier in the podcast so any any update by the way any wait wait

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)hang on here I'm sorry I can't let this go how can you take issue with the stats if you don't know what your issue with the stats is no I'm saying the first the sample size was my issue is that it was like a really small sample size sample

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)size well if it's super small then you can't apply it to the masses right well it depends on what we're trying to study and control are for the sample size if you take 20 people you can't say well these 20 people did this one thing so

Andrew Wilsonthen that's um indicative of anyone that commits that behavior depends on what we're trying to study I just don't think 20 is accurate you could take you could take 20 as a sample size and have it be representative of something but in this

Andrew Wilsoncase are you saying the sample size hang on in this case why are you saying the sample size was plenty no I don't know I remember it being small I think it went yeah but what does that mean though so this is the problem right when you when

Andrew Wilsonyou get into the details the det like the the gal who's next to you she's actually going to literally agree with everything I just said she she has no choice is hang on hang on this is stats this is how they work right you can't

Andrew Wilsonhave sample size which are small but are they do have some kind of stat you know statistical relevance or significance in this case you just

Andrew Wilsonsaying well the sample size from my view was small doesn't actually mean anything it means something it doesn't mean nothing you could well maybe but maybe not it it indicates the level of confidence we can draw from the yeah but

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)what is okay well then what is small tell me what small is as number the stud well you can you can do a calculation on the level of confidence tell me what small is she says it's small but won I would say for me anything under a th000 I would consider a small sample size

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)like if I were to pull one person at this table and say um are you saying that hold hold on let her let her finish go ahead well I just want to know that well I mean the the rules aren't being applied evenly so it's like I can't

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)interject at all but then I keep getting interrupted definitely interject no cuz that you're like no no let me finish let me finish but then it's different rules for me and then that's not fair I did just apprciate that thank you yeah

Andrew Wilsonbecause it's lightning the reason that I interject very quickly is just for quick clarification but when I do it it's not allowed for quick clarification it is allowed I'm happy and that it's one of my critiques about the show right it's

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)just like there I'm all for debate and like having ideas proven wrong but there's a way to do it that's like out of curiosity and in good faith and doing it in respect and then there's like a way that you can do it with tone and intent that is like it's bad okay well

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)there's there's literally eight people on the panel I've spoken very little I'm having a lightning round with you I'm getting clarification as quickly you popped in I didn't even know this was a debate I thought we were just like going over topics and then like you popped in

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)and we are going over topics yes if you're saying that there's not a too small for a sample size do you think that I can go ask one person a question okay so what would what would not be like what would be an appropriate size

Andrew Wilsonfor you then so like when it's going depend on what it is that we're studying why and what the control factors are so this is my whole problem I'm saying controls but like I'm not sure that you understand how controls work controls are super important for any study yes

Ayalike like controls are important for certain types of things that you're studying you can't just throw out no there's no science is not possible I understand how to run studies you don't

Andrew Wilsonneed controls for all things that you studies are all [ __ ] you haven't read my studies dude listen yes I have dove into your studies which is how I knew that teenagers were over sampled in

Andrew Wilsonall of them and they're all [ __ ] that aside that aside can you tell me how you can have science absent controls Madame you you can absolutely have science absent controls like example for

Ayaexample science is testing a hypothesis right and like let's say I have a hypothesis here that like maybe the people who looked worse when they were made into old people actually have higher body counts um how would you

Andrew Wilsonpropose we have a control for this this hypothesis well wait a second let's back up your hypothesis is what that the people who looked worse when they were aged up have higher body counts this is

Andrew Wilsonmy hypothesis hypothetically yeah great so you're going to test this hypothesis so what what would you suggest be wait are we testing the hypothesis cuz that's the next part of the scientific method right yeah we could we could test it by

Ayaokay so how can you have a test ABS in a control I I would I'm proposing the hypothesis I'd like to know how you would propose that we control for it doesn't matter how I would do it I'm asking how it could even be done ABS in

Ayaa control the way that I would test this hypothesis is I would ask people to like for example I would figure out how bad we look in the things maybe assign a rating so we can have a number control uh no that's not a control okay do we

Ayajust have like very different meanings of the word what do you mean when you say we don't have very different meanings of the word control assigning a number to a way of face is not a control in science what do you think a control is a control is let's say I give a medication to type a group of people

Ayabecause I want to see if it has an effect I also measure the group of people that have not received that medication as a control to see if there's a difference between the populations so in sociology you're saying there's no controls I'm saying

Ayathere can be controls I'm saying I'm giving you what is to me listen to me talk for a second what I saying what I'm saying is that there are some types of hypothesis for which testing does not

Ayarequire controls and I'm giving you a very narrow example for example I'm checking to see if there's a correlation in this group between the apparent age of being aged up and a body count and I would do this by looking at the number

Ayaassigned to the age and I would look at the body count and I would run a correlation what you've done is you've created a control ruling other things out that's not what a control is a control is CA taking another group

Andrew Wilsonand then checking to see if your intervention had an effect depending on the group that's one type of control the other thing you talked about is another type of control we are measuring two variables all scientific all yeah all

Andrew Wilsonscientific are you using the word stop stop all the scientific control is doing is controlling for a variable the very first thing that you gave me was a variable control you [ __ ] dummy so you were saying you're using the word

Andrew Wilsonhow do you not know this [ __ ] you're a [ __ ] yes the very first thing you gave me was a [ __ ] variable control the very first thing you said was a variable control so what you're saying

Ayais that if we are testing the correlation between uh two do a colle sorry everything's happening suddenly so embarrassing for you I can't even believe that you just said that but go ahead only effective did it though

Ayalike how are you feeling right now do you feel like you're like having a fun time dominating oh my God because I really think that maybe you don't know how science Works how does my mental state help you explain what [ __ ]

Ayascientific control is when the first thing you said was a scientific control ruling out X thing that's a control a control is when you H when you make sure that you're testing a group to make sure that it's not being affected by your

Ayaintervention it's a control form of control okay and or you can test two variables to see if there's a correlation and are you saying that the very first control that you gave us I have never in my life heard the word

Andrew Wilsoncontrol used to refer to one of the variables which would I could be wrong I am willing to say I was wrong if it turns out that standard science if you're setting parameters for an experiment everything that you're setting which would rule X variable out

Ayawould be a control ruling what okay what do you mean everything that I'm saying would rule X variable out like what am I saying would rule X variable out okay so

Andrew Wilsonif we want a control for this like okay my hypothesis is that there's Flint which makes this flame happen right so I can add a variance I can add uh a 100

Andrew Wilsondifferent variant of controls to this can't I I can take the Flint out for instance or uh possibly I can add multiple flints or I could say well we're not going to do that at all we're

Andrew Wilsononly going to do X all of those things would be controls and the experiment for how this Flint made this lighter work you're talking about statistics when it comes to uh studies the very first thing you say is the way that I would do this

Andrew Wilsonis I would divide X by y you're introducing a control which rules other things out you're trying to narrow the process to affirm the hyp hang on you're trying to narrow the process to affirm the hypothesis that's what you're doing

Ayayeah I understand attempting to rule things that's a control you can't even do experiments without controls that's my whole point uh I I think you're coming from an extremely different type of science than I am or else you don't understand how

Andrew Wilsonthe science that I'm doing works I'm not sure which one is the case I can't wait to hear this tell me how we can have science absent a control for an experiment all experiments experiment by

Ayaitself is literally inferring that there's controls or we couldn't have an experiment okay let's let's think of a slightly simpler example um let's say I want to see if there's a correlation

Ayabetween height and weight in a population um how would you propose that we test this uh between height and weight I don't know you tell me uh well I told you my strategy for the last one can you tell me your strategy for this

Ayaone why would it matter what my strategy is uh just so that I know how you're thinking about this I don't know I mean I I have no idea how I I know that it is like uh you like to put me on the defensive by asking a lot of questions and then you won't answer questions

Ayabecause that would put you on the defensive I don't know how I would conduct such a study why would that matter uh well just think do we have a whole bunch of people and we're trying to see like literally what would the

Ayarelevancy be regardless of how I answered right to whether or not it would have the addition of control I I'm just curious how you would test to see if there's a correlation between height and weight just how would you do the science what's your strategy I have

Ayano I have no idea I have never thought about it yeah okay well there are ways to do this uh there's there's there's statistical things we can run like we make a chart X and Y AIS it's the chart if you would like to call one of the

Ayaaxes a control we can put that word on that if that makes you happy what else would it be the x axis it's it's it's the X and Y axis it's like you plot the data on a graph this is just the way

Ayathat it works um why are we doing that though uh we're controlling for what cuz we're controlling for what we're not controlling for anything we're testing to see if there's a correlation do you know what correl for

Ayaso we're controlling for a correl we're not we're no that we're we're running a calculation on the do you know what a correlation is yes okay do can you can you tell me what just to make sure that

Andrew Wilsonyou understand what a correlate is what a correlation is like how is a correlation calculated would be something that could be Loosely or vaguely or non vaguely associated with

Ayasome other property uh very close yes it's it's uh it helps tell you how much you can predict one variable by knowledge of the other variable so for example if we want to check the correlation between height and weight I don't care about a monologue I'm asking

Andrew Wilsonhow it's not a control your question makes no sense I can explain to you how correlations work I can explain to you Val about how correlations work I'm asking about controls not correlation the cor

Ayacontrols are are relevant for certain types of questions I'm perhaps they are I'm trying to say controls are not controls right now and if you say okay I have a graph and it divides it in half

Ayaand it's putting this half over here this half over there you have now introduced a way to control what your experiment is going to be I can I can continue so if we have a graph x and y axis like this and then we plot

Ayaeverybody's height and weight along it so like one axis is height and the other axis is weight and you have a whole bunch of dots on this graph what you can do is you can run like basically do a calculation that shows you a trend line to see if like the dots slowly kind of

Ayaincrease uh with the y- axis the more you get the higher you get on the x-axis and then you do a calculation of the square root of the uh all of the points from the trend line um and then basically from that you get What's

Ayacalled the the r the R value uh and this is how uh like far away different points are from being tightly correlated so for example that may actually that makes total sense to me yeah so for example height and I'm just going to read I just

Andrew Wilsonwant to read a simple thing for you experimental control refers to a group or element within the scientific experiment that remains unchanged or seres as a baseline comparison or divider from the experimental group

Ayaeverything you just explained was a control no I explained you a correlation I I no no no no you explained how to you control yes you so you want something that's unchanged from the group yes so

Ayafor example if I'm giving you medication uh then this means that I am introducing some sort of influence and so I have a control to check the difference between those groups uh that's what a control is and I think this is great and fantastic and very

Ayaimportant in science that a lot of science doesn't have controls and I think you are correct to be going why are they not am correct that you're right this different concept science is only as good as it controls and you

Ayahaven't actually given me a way in which we can conduct an experiment absent controls uh well I'm describing how we can find the correlation between height

Andrew Wilsonand weight yeah I'm not I'm not asking about how you can describe correl guys asking how can we run an experiment which we refers to a group or

Andrew Wilsonelement within a scientific experiment that remains either unchanged serves as a baseline for comparison or divides the experimental group how could you even do it how that's a great question how would

Brian Atlasyou do it if we're trying to test he I'm asking you we don't because you could just choose an age can we move on right move everybody's the same age there's your I mean I'm you guys can

Brian Atlaslike wrap it up but if this is going to go on another 20 minutes I have to cut it here so you guys can if you can like wrap it up quickly we can like continue a little bit because yeah so I'll just

Andrew Wilsonwrap it up quick my what I said was science is only as good as its controls right she ends up agreeing with me yes you're right actually this is very important to the scientific process it really experiments are really only as

Andrew Wilsongood as their controls she says though you can have experiments absent controls but actually didn't give us any experiments absent controls just literally gave us experiments where she starts with Baseline of having controls

Andrew Wilsonfor for her experiments that was my whole point the thing is I don't I don't I'm not sure how you can even conduct an experiment absent controls I think every I think it's even inferred in experiment

Andrew Wilsonthat you are controlling XYZ based on what this definition is for the thing that's my whole point but back to this back to what we're originally talking

Andrew Wilsonabout you just saying sample size X really small doesn't actually mean anything small is a not a scientific reference it's a reference to like a

Andrew Wilsonmind state of of you know like is this cell phone small is this cigarette small I have no [ __ ] idea what small means here because it's not a scientific reference a scientific reference would

Andrew Wilsonbe anything under X would not be appropriate due to you know [ __ ] XYZ whatever right small doesn't mean anything is there um like a preferred amount of of people for a survey though

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)or for research that scientists like is there like a golden number that people try to get to or at least a minimum depends on what we're talking about no in general I'm sure that something would apply to across the board like a goal

Andrew Wilsonmaybe they don't hit it every time but is there typically like a golden number I'm not I'm not say to this is what I aim for for minimum for but but on what though 3 to 400 for

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)what we're trying we're trying to establish what small means so I'm saying that I'm sure that there probably is a minimum that scientists would like to get in order to be it depends on what it

Andrew Wilsonis that we're studying and what it is what it depends on what it is specifically like this listen I know that how this sounds but it actually does matter depends on what we're studying for what a sample size would be

Andrew Wilsonappropriate to what group like for instance uh uh one or two 200 people may be fine for like transgender people because there's so few of them there's so you that could be a good

Andrew Wilsonrepresentation of a sample size not saying it is by the way chair one I can see you already autistically gping I said it could be I'm just giving you the the idea that some groups may have very

Andrew Wilsonnarrow windows and so smaller sample sizes could be fine so it depends on what we're studying and why I agree with you but not for the reasons you stated okay you're just so here's the

Ayathing I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and just say give me the reasons the literally going to be the reasons I just stated though go ahead uh so just to make sure I understood you right you're claiming that the reasons that a small

Ayasample size can be fine is like possibly you're measuring a very small population so no sorry you said okay can you clarify an incorrect Steel Man the ski man would be small sub please correct me so when you say small it's a subject

Andrew Wilsonthat's a subjective metric it's not telling me anything that doesn't tell me any information like like for the prostitutes what's a small dick I don't know that's going to be completely

Andrew Wilsonsubjective as to what you think that is I have no idea what that means it's not scientifically small is not scientific it's some madeup [ __ ] in your head to give a reference to something which is

Andrew Wilsonnot as big as another thing but it doesn't tell me anything so when I say small I'm trying to reference her or give a reference to her worldview this is too small of a sample size this is too large for a sample size but you're

TTS/Donationsnot actually telling me anything well I'll say how I agree with you and I agree with you uh Michael Jones donated $200 a scientific control is a part of the scientific method that involves

TTS/Donationsusing a standard for comparison to minimize the effect of variables other than the independent variable Jesus is Lord totally agree I don't know how an experiment can be done which is part of

Andrew Wilsonthe scientific method absent of control she said she did never could give us one so glad we got to the bottom of that [ __ ] hell

Brian AtlasI keep talking about statistics all night well look I mean I propos I did propose earlier uh if you wanted to do a One V one conversation absolutely not all right this is your chance Andrew

Unknownkeep going no oh boy I don't understand did you say nar N I said no n n n no she's she's

Andrew WilsonBritish it's yeah mine's actually the English language know trying to lighten trying to light the mood okay Andrew you guys is there more to statistics I'll

Andrew Wilsonkeep anyway so so look I'll I'll I'll just tie it off here very quickly right I understand you don't want to do a debate on this stuff I don't blame you right um because that would go bad for

Andrew Wilsonyou but the point is is like you really haven't actually demonstrated how you can run an experiment as like I do want to actually know if that's even possible

Andrew Wilsonto do because to me it infers controls just experiment itself the word in first control it's definitely a huge subset of science involves that yeah so can you

Ayagive me experiment that doesn't have control so we have a question of whether or not height correlates with weight this is a hypothesis that we should test uh I can explain to you how

Ayacorrelations work yeah but how does the experiment work no this was uh the experiment is we're going to ask a whole bunch of people their height and weight okay and then we're going to to see if there is a relationship between

Andrew Wilsonthose things are we going to ask people about what color their dog's fur is if we could I don't see it would be relevant are we going to ask him what color their dog's fur

Andrew Wilsonis probably not oh sounds like a control then anything anyway I appreciate that very much that was very kind of you to go ahead and demonstrate my point for me I hadn't really like directly experienced in person people being like

Andrew Wilsonextremely overconfident about statistics um but here we are this has nothing to even do with statistics it really does about controls for a scientific experiment what you have done is you

Andrew Wilsonhave now narrowed that you in indeed in your experiment are going to immediately add controls to it just by ruling out the things you won't ask you're now

Andrew Wilsonadding in by the way the definition yes right an unchanging this is an unchanging we can control element within the scientific experiment that remains

Andrew Wilsonunchanged that uh that serves as a baseline for comparison you immediately are are introducing something which is an unchanged element right because you're not asking about dogs fur you're asking about the height and weight that

Ayais a control we we can control for things for example if I ask about height and weight maybe we should control for gender like maybe uh men you could you could add that right and that would be a

Ayacontrol it could be relevant add but you're not going to add what color their dogs fur is right uh we could try and control fur dogs fur uh I don't think that would change anything well but you already are controlling for

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