3x RAGE QUIT! She Did 100 Men In 1 DAY?! 1,000 NEXT?! Lily Phillips! Eva Lovia! | Dating Talk #227

Date: 2025-02-12

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAya (Idaho/SF)>

CCandace Horbach >

LLily Phillips >

BBecca Slider >

CCarly (SB/LA)>

KKatrina (Ottawa)>

DDanielle (Ontario)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Carly(guest)

SPEAKER_04Danielle(guest)

SPEAKER_05Aya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Patrice O'Neal (clip)(audience)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Katrina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Becca Slider(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lily Phillips(guest)

SPEAKER_14Upgrade(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAya introduces herself: 32yo, from Idaho (homeschooled, Calvinist), lives in SF. Researcher who also does escorting. Was top OnlyFans creator. Charges $4K/hr for escorting.

“all right I am Aya uh I'm 32 years old M uh my location is here but I originally came from Idaho and now I live in SF”

QuoteAya describes her escorting work: charges $4K/hr, met a client at her hotel the night before the show.

“I Char 4K for the first hour and then a th each additional hour okay how many did he just do the one or was he like a baller”

IntroCandace Horbach (Eva Lovia) introduces herself: 35yo, adult industry 2001-2017, now podcaster, based in NC/Austin. Graduated from Coastal Carolina University. Stage name Eva Lovia.

“my name is Candace horbach I'm 35 I was in the adult industry from about 2001 to 2017 um I left I started a podcast”

IntroLily Phillips introduces herself: 23yo from Darbyshire, England. Adult star. Discusses her 101-man-in-a-day challenge (October 2024) and plans to do 1000+ to break the world record (currently 1057 by Bonnie Blue).

“I'm Lily Phillips I am 23 I'm from darbishire in England I live in London um adult star”

QuoteLily Phillips announces her goal to break the world record for most men in a day (the current record is ~1057 by Bonnie Blue). Plans a "conveyor belt" setup.

“yeah H yeah so you're going to do a thousand in a in a day yes I was watching Australian check already do that”

QuoteLily describes upcoming skydiving sex scene project.

“at the end of this month I'm doing a Skydive where I suck a guys Park skydiving sex scene yeah somebody's done that I haven't seen anyone do it”

IntroBecca Slider introduces herself: 43yo confidence coach, speaker, podcaster, top 1% OnlyFans. Was ordained pastor for 10 years. Deconstructed faith ~5-6 years ago.

“I'm Becca slider I'm a confidence coach and a speaker and I host a podcast and then I'm also a 1% Creator on only fans”

IntroCarly introduces herself: 21yo, originally from Santa Barbara, lives in LA, studies marketing, part-time fashion model.

“hi yeah I'm Carly I'm 21 and I'm originally from Santa Barbara actually but I live in LA right now um and I go to college and I also model part-time”

IntroKatrina introduces herself: 35yo bartender from Ottawa, Ontario, high school education.

“my name's Katrina from Ottawa Ontario Canada I'm a bartender since I was 17 I have a high school education”

IntroDanielle introduces herself: 30yo from Elmont, Ontario. Studied addiction and justice studies. Worked for the Government of Canada.

“hi my name is Danielle I am 30 I am from Elmont Ontario uh very small town uh I went to school for addiction um along with Justice studies and police foundations”

IntroUpgrade (returning guest) introduces herself: 22yo singer-songwriter, here for her third song. Sings Etta James "At Last" a cappella.

“hello I'm upgrade this is my second time on the whatever podcast I'm 22 and and I am a singer songwriter”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst/satirist, engages in debates worldwide. Declines to sing.

“I'm not going to sing a song no sh no my name is now you have now I'm the host of The Crucible to popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst”

QuoteAya reveals she showers only ~37 times per year (record low 14-17 in 2019) and her 2022 stats spreadsheet tracking all activities.

“showered 37 what uh lowest amount of times you've ever showered in a year uh I think it was like 14 17 I think 17”

QuoteBecca admits to pity sex with her husband while pregnant with third child — "wildly insatiable" during pregnancy.

“yeah yeah when I was pregnant shit you know uh yeah I mean pity but it because when I that sounds really bad when I was pregnant with my third I wanted sex every day it was it was insane”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Katrina vigorously about her role "running" a prostitute friend, arguing that acting as a pimp is "unadulterated evil" and parasitical. Katrina defends her intentions as trying to help.

“pimp is so parasitical a literal parasite on society almost as bad as a prostitute herself”

QuoteCandace formally apologizes to Brian for making a video misrepresenting him without doing due diligence, then bows to him (rated B-minus by Brian).

“I'm so sorry that I didn't do my due diligence and I just took the gossip train and then made a video that got a lot of views and misrepresented you and your show”

QuoteBrian shows "bow video" of ex-girlfriend bowing 45 degrees and doing his laundry, cooking dinner after he came home at 1am from a podcast.

“this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend I came home it was late 1:00 a.m. after a podcast boom huge do you see the bow deep bow that was a 45 degree angle”

ControversyAndrew challenges Lily on the "unconditional parental love" debate — argues that cutting off contact for a child doing porn is not abandonment but maintaining behavioral standards. Goes in circles extensively.

“how about this what if I mean wait that makes wait wait a second that makes no sense so if it is the case they don't want you to do only fans”

QuoteKatrina's notable quote about body count: "if you give sex away for free you might as well get paid for it, ain't nothing worse than a broke ass hoe."

“if you give sex away for free you might as well get paid for it ain't nothing worse than a broke ass hoe in my opinion”

QuoteLily Phillips says her body count is between 500-1000 when asked.

“range what was it last time can't remember what I said last time cuz last time I I still didn't count last time um I'm going to go right now probably between 500 to 1,000”

QuoteAya reveals precise body count breakdown: ~109 unpaid, ~450 paid clients, total ~550.

“uh probably low 500s and 109 free wait 109 free like unpaid unpaid okay how many do you think paid or uh well I have a CRM”

ControversyAndrew challenges Aya and Candace on scientific methodology (controls, sample size) during body count/study discussion. Goes on for over 20 minutes before Brian cuts it.

“studies are all shit you haven't read my studies dude listen yes I have dove into your studies which is how I knew that teenagers were over sampled”

ControversyAndrew tells Candace to use a "sing-song voice" if she wants him to treat her with respect, sarcastically mocking her complaint about his tone being disrespectful. This pushes Candace to her limit.

“from now on when you talk to me I need you to use a sing song voice The singest sest Voice you can possibly think of because otherwise I feel disrespected”

OtherRAGE QUIT #1: Candace Horbach rage quits. Brian confirms "she rage quit." Andrew had pushed her too far with tone/condescension complaints. She said she was going to check on her husband, then left.

“I'm going to go check on her I'll be right back I okay that's fine uh all right she Rage Quit”

OtherRAGE QUIT #3: Becca Slider and others (Aya, possibly others) also leave at same time as Candace. Brian attempts to get Becca back, saying "is Becca coming back?"

“we we got we're wrapping up I'll you Candace we're Candace Candace I think we're done it's so pass for anyway”

OtherRAGE QUIT #2: Andrew Wilson voluntarily departs, citing 3am and the show being almost done. Acknowledges his presence was offensive, says his job is to challenge worldviews.

“I'll I can see that my presence has been very offensive it's 3 o'clock in the morning anyway that's my dip time yeah it was very very nice to meet all of you”

QuotePatrice O'Neal clip played: "If you didn't have a vagina, how would you keep your man?" Guests answer with mouth, hands, other holes, cooking. Brian plays the reveal where Patrice says "you just classified yourself as a series of holes."

“ladies if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right and the doctor was like we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die how how would you keep your man”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Background

All 9 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation, education. Includes Aya (researcher/escort from Idaho), Candace Horbach/Eva Lovia (adult film actress/podcaster), Lily Phillips (viral 101-man adult star), Becca Slider (ex-pastor/confidence coach), Carly (model/student), Katrina (bartender, Ottawa), Danielle (Ontario, addiction studies), Upgrade (singer-songwriter), Andrew Wilson (political analyst remote).

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares their relationship status, longest relationship, and context. Highlights: Aya (polyamorous 4yr open relationship), Candace (married 15 years, open during her career), Lily (single 3-4 years), Becca (divorced after 21 years, ethically non-monogamous), Carly (5mo single after 5yr relationship ended by cheating), Katrina (8mo relationship), Danielle (2yr relationship), Upgrade (2yr relationship with 41yo man).

Aya Pre-Show Notes: Homeschooling, Sex Work, Data & Polyamory

Brian goes through Aya's pre-show notes: evangelical Calvinist upbringing in Idaho, homeschooled, escaped factory work via adult content. Aya discusses her annual stats spreadsheet, shower frequency (37/year), LSD addiction, Lex Fridman interview, and polyamorous relationship. Debate over subordination of women morphs into semantic debate with Andrew.

Should Men Lead in Relationships? / Subordination Debate

Brian asks whether men should lead/be the "head" in relationships and who should get final say in a marriage impasse. Andrew frames it as a "threshold breaker" question. Most guests say it is circumstantial; Candace and Upgrade favor traditional male leadership. Aya goes full semantic on meaning of "should." Andrew clashes with Aya over philosophical definitions.

Eva Lovia / Candace Pre-Show Notes & OnlyFans Fraud Discussion

Candace discusses her career as Eva Lovia, her disclaimer on OnlyFans (entertainment only, no AI/chatters, to protect against delusional fans). Brian raises concerns about fraud by OnlyFans creators who use chatters/AI while claiming personal interaction. Aya reveals she tried a chatter and income skyrocketed but it made her sad. Discussion of body count stats and body count survey data from Aya's research.

Bear vs. Man Debate

Brian asks the classic "bear or man in the woods" question. Most guests pick bear. Andrew and Brian argue the position is logically equivalent to a racist position if applied to a demographic group, making it sexist. Upgrade says picking bear is sexist but may come from personal experience.

Becca Slider: Ex-Pastor to OnlyFans, "Pussy-Based Confidence"

Becca explains her journey from 10-year ordained evangelical pastor to confidence coach and OnlyFans creator. She discusses "pussy-based confidence" (sexual creative life force), Christian deconstruction, the role of fear in Christianity's foundations, bisexuality since age 16, swinging then open marriage, and her coaching philosophy. Andrew challenges her framework as a form of dogma/programming.

Katrina: Running a Prostitute, Drug World, Show Notes

Brian reads Katrina's pre-show notes: she has two moms, "ran" a prostitute friend (did makeup/calls/driving) as an attempt to help. Andrew debates the ethics of pimping vigorously with Katrina. Katrina describes discovering her "gangster" boyfriend having sex with a male friend (traumatizing experience). She says ain't nothing worse than a broke hoe.

Candace Apology & Bow to Brian

After Brian reveals Candace had made a video misrepresenting him (based on unverified secondhand Special Forces claim), Andrew pushes her to apologize. She eventually does, apologizing for not doing due diligence. Brian then asks her to bow — she does (rated B-minus). Discussion of the "bow video" Brian made of his ex-girlfriend.

Self-Rating Round (1-10, no 7)

Brian asks each guest to rate their own appearance 1-10 (cannot pick 7). Aya: 4.6; Candace: declined/no number; Lily: 8; Becca: 8; Carly: 6; Katrina: 8 (with makeup)/4 (without); Danielle: 6; Upgrade: 6; Andrew: 4-5. Andrew lectures about women lying about their self-assessments in social groups vs. men who call each other out. Long debate with Aya over semantics of "judging."

Lily Phillips Parenting / Sex Work & Unconditional Love Debate

Brian asks Lily whether she would have done OnlyFans if her parents gave an ultimatum. Debate spirals into Andrew challenging whether parents cutting off contact for sex work is "abandoning" the child (Lily's view) vs. maintaining behavioral standards (Andrew's view). Most guests feel unconditional parental love means maintaining contact. Andrew says love can coexist with behavioral standards.

AI Age Progression & Gender Swap Photos

Brian shows AI-generated aged versions of all guests (10+ years older) and gender-swapped versions. Comedic segment; Lily's aged version prompts "crypt keeper" jokes. Guests react to their gender-swapped versions and whether they would date/sleep with the male version of themselves.

Body Count Round & Discussion

Brian asks each guest their body count. Lily: 500-1000; Aya: ~550 (109 unpaid, ~450 paid); Candace: 9 personal + ~12-20 work scenes; Carly: 23-28; Danielle: 8; Katrina: under 35 (excluded coerced encounters); Upgrade: single digit; Andrew: did not give number. Discussion of whether body count matters (Lily: makes you better in bed; Becca: patterns matter more; Candace: 9 personal; most say circumstantial). Aya's survey data shows median ~5, raising to 10 by age 40. Andrew and Candace debate sample size and scientific controls.

All Day Foreplay / Viral Clip Discussion (Candace)

Candace describes her viral Twitter clip about "all-day foreplay" — the idea that women's arousal has more on/off switches (stressors = brakes), and that men following through on commitments reduces stress and improves intimacy. Andrew challenges this, arguing data shows women are most attracted to men who DON'T do chores (traditional masculine non-domestic behavior), that what she's really describing is feminist relationship dynamics. Extended debate about whether follow-through is masculine or if asking men to do chores is attraction-killing.

Rage Quit #1 — Candace & Others Leave

Andrew's confrontational tone throughout the show reaches a breaking point. Candace's husband texts. After hours of debate, Candace says "I'm going to go check on her [wife]" and leaves. Aya stays to wait for roast. Brian says "she rage quit." Carly, Becca and others also start to leave. Brian pleads for them to stay.

Andrew Wilson Rage Quit / Departure

Andrew acknowledges his presence has been offensive and says "it's 3 o'clock in the morning anyway, that's my dip time." Insists he wasn't trying to insult anyone — his job is to challenge worldviews. Lily tells him they're not getting into this anymore. Andrew says goodnight and leaves.

Roast Session

Final roast session with remaining guests (Carly, Lily, Katrina, Danielle, Upgrade). $30 TTS messages come in roasting all guests. Highlights: "Lily Phillips father" donates for her chair; OJ Simpson character asks Carly about a skin tag; Thor says "make low body count great again." Brian offers Lily $20/hour to stop sex work. Patrice O'Neal clip played about "how would you keep your man if you had a train accident."

Makeup Removal Challenge

Brian brings out makeup wipes (Neutrogena brand, debated). Carly and others try to remove makeup on camera. Light segment after emotional episode.

Transcript

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Lily Phillipsit so you would do a Skydive blow job for free yeah I think that would be hilarious like I can't wait to do it I'm super gassed to do it now then all the all the money that you make from that

Lily Phillipsare you going to give it to charity what what has that got to do with it what has me being Char are you going to give it to charity you're going to keep it I I I couldn't care less if I

Lily Phillipsgave money to charity like the money for me can you give me some the money for me is a plus don't get me wrong I'm not trying to hear saying you know but everyone does stuff for money like that's why we [ __ ] have jobs I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot disputing that either I'm just saying that I if you say that the motivation is there and it has nothing to do with the money I would do it any no I'm not saying final final thought there's just like it's different aspects

Andrew WilsonI love it it's also pays me like those are just two great recipes together why would I not want to do it yeah right exactly so then if if there's monetary gain here right and I assume that there

Andrew Wilsonis and there is this is directly proportional to the amount of publicity that you get for the various things that you do however women often especially in your industry hit walls with that very quickly just like beist actors will have

Andrew Wilsona breakout movie and then it just goes right down it's very hard to keep yourself on top for anong elongated period of time that's why I'm asking the question well I'll keep you updated in 10 years all right we have to leave it

Brian Atlasthere uh moving on uh so you said you did the bow and then your boyfriend reacted oh yeah that because I saw an episode on your

Upgradepodcast oops sorry um it was because I saw an episode on your podcast where a wife did that for her husband my um boyfriend did not really react he I just

Upgradegreeted him at the door when he came home from work and did the bow and I was like you know I have dinner ready and we just continued our conversation normally

Upgradehe didn't really react he didn't like it um it's not that he didn't like it also since we have Andrew here Korean women do not bow to we're going

Upgradeto let's not that's just B they they let's not get into it yeah they do I literally lived in Korea and my mom's Korean and my grandma's Korean they do not yeah well I mean whether you live

Upgradethere or not um they definitely do bow in Korea they bow in Korea that is very true but not to their husbands well they don't now because of the the

Andrew Wilson4B movement but that used to be very common place no they the door tell I'll tell ask your mom if it used to be very common place for a wife to bow to her

Upgradehusband I already asked back back 30 or 40 even 40 years ago common I asked it's not a thing yeah it is a thing they bow to their bosses maybe to their acquaintances that they don't know very

Andrew Wilsonwell to show respect but your husband is someone that or to their boss or comfortable or for ritualistic purposes or sometimes to the husband especially considering how many Christians are in

Andrew WilsonSouth Korea that's why they have a full porn band in South Korea right it is actually common place even among that Community to bow to each other just so you know they do Bow to each other but not to their husbands to their husband

Andrew Wilsonyes to their husband maybe at a formal event like a wedding but not every day at the door well this is I mean obviously I can't say every woman in South Korea bows or husband but I would

Andrew Wilsonnever make that claim anyway I'm just saying that it is common place or at least it used to be common place enough still common place in Japan still common place in a lot of Asian Nations including South Korea and North Korea even no in Korea they do Bow but not to

Andrew Wilsontheir spouse okay yeah thank you I mean I I I I don't know how I could falsify I mean I can give you

Andrew Wilsondemonstrations that this is the case I mean you can in fact you literally Google it write this second if you wanted to and it would come up and and tell you that yes the Bowing is a is a

Andrew Wilsonform of respect between husband and wife even in South Korea and still is even to this day with more traditional families where are you getting your answer from uh I mean you again you can look at the

Andrew Wilsonvarious cultural studies which have been done including in South Korean Culture by by own cult they do B to each other Koreans do B to each other but not to their family which is their husband yeah sometimes to

Upgradetheir family like why wouldn't they so let me ask you this why wouldn't they bow to their family what is the cult my older brother I do not bow to my parents I might bow to my grandparents I'm not asking if you bow to your

Andrew Wilsonparents or you bow to your older brother though there could be circumstances where that was the case in South Korea too especially for your parents I'm saying that yes there are traditional Koreans whose why the wife bows to the

Upgradehusband that is factually the case I don't know what else to tell you no fact the case that's not factually the cas Cas okay so and I know that

Upgradebecause because my grandma was born in 1951 in South Korea and I lived glad through my entire childhood yeah and my brother married a South Korean brought

Andrew Wilsonher home when he was stationed in South Korea and uh yeah there was definitely bowing which was going on so I mean my an I guess I guess my anecdote Trump's your anecdote right no there is bowing

Upgradeto the other family but not to the husband and if it is to the husband because she hasn't seen him in a long time so they do Bow to their husband if they haven't seen them in a long time if

Andrew Wilsonthey haven't seen them in a long time but not on the daily oh I see so they do B to their husbands got you thank you not on the daily like you Proclaim yeah I didn't say that they did on the daily you just made that up well you said on special events and in weddings they do B

Andrew WilsonI said it's common that in Asian cultures including South Korea that wives will bow to husbands that is common you just asserted it's not common because they see their

Upgradehusband every day it's not it's not common but okay you tell yourself that okay do husband do wives bow to husbands who they haven't seen in a

Andrew Wilsonwhile um usually with the cas now you're not sure but um they can okay got it so because there's probably lots and lots and lots of couples who haven't seen

Andrew Wilsoneach other in a long timeing how many people in South they usually live close to their work especially how many people people live closer to their work and

Andrew Wilsonthen they go to their they go to their if it is thee to GRE them after they come home from work

Upgradecommon after they come home from work what does common mean does that just mean every everybody has to do it is that common no it means the majority of people and the majority of Korean wives do not bow to their husbands when

Andrew Wilsonthey come home from work every day I mean you guys are just going back and forth who cares just ask you a question right uh do the majority of people buy

Andrew Wilsonexpensive dresses no no okay but isn't it common that people buy expensive dresses no no it's not common it's not

Andrew Wilsonit's not something that happens so much on the regular that you never dispute it happening because it's common place right um a lot of people will not pay more than $50 for a dress tot agree but

Brian Atlasit's still common that people will buy expensive dresses guys guys guys guys guys stop both of you just stop both of you stop we have so much to get through I'm sorry

Brian AtlasI don't care about the the bow oh he doesn't care about the bow no because you put it in your notes and honestly I I excluded it like everybody submits different things I don't find it particularly an interesting conversation

Brian Atlasto have if you guys are debating about the the uh bowing meta in South Kore I don't I do not care honestly if ID wanted to discuss it I would have

Brian Atlasincluded it in the notes I don't you think one thing Andrew thinks another thing like what you guys are just going in circles what else well I you're not going to change your mind she he's not going to change his mind like I I what

Andrew Wilsonelse do you guys want to talk about no I'll change my mind if it was demonstrated to me that uh South Koreans do not actually in fact ever B to their husbands I would retract my statement

Andrew Wilsonbut in fact she she she asserted that it is in fact true that they do it's just circumstantial in the way that they do circumstantial yes what percent of women do never it's never been my claim that

Andrew WilsonSouth Korean women the second if their husband hits the door they get on their knees and bow to him I don't know where he ever came up with that that's what you said in a prior podcast no it's not what I said in a

Andrew Wilsonprior podcast it says very commment in Asian Nations for women to vow including to their husband which is true including South Korea which is also true which you just demonstrated not every day I didn't say every day if you could show me them

Andrew Wilsonsaying that me ever saying the word every day uh then you would have a g but uh it's never happened they don't greet I'm always careful with my language for a reason bow every day they don't okay yeah but nobody ever claimed

Andrew Wilsonthey did so I don't know what you're argu I don't I don't know what you're arguing against so it's not a claim I made that's for

Upgradesure okay

Brian Atlasokay all right um so you brought up the bow thing your boyfriend had no reaction to it okay you said best advice about relationships you want to elaborate on

Upgradethe show please be uh concise if you can yeah my best relationship for advice is uh the Law of Attraction if you create the best version of yourself if you

Upgradeeducate yourself strengthen yourself every single day then you will attract a very good person person for you in your life so it's not chasing you have to better yourself before you can be

Upgradeanyone's partner so Law of Attraction mhm that's the relationship advice yep what does that mean what does that look like Law of Attraction so going to the gym you

Upgradesee things in yourself that you want to fix you shouldn't go out trying to um get a date instead you should be improving the flaws that you want to fix

Upgradeso like going to the gym or going to your classes every day um making that bank at your job or whatever it is so you're saying you shouldn't

Brian Atlasactively be trying to chase somebody yeah you should just sit back and wait for them to come yep because I mean this is kind of a very convenient position for women to take although men cannot I

Brian Atlashave to categor categorically just reject your position as it pertains to men's uh mating strategy men cannot just sit around and wait for a woman to magically manifest out of The Ether men

Brian Atlashave to actually take initiative when it comes to dating so I just reject position around they are improving themselves doesn't matter men still have to take initiative men have to make the first move even if they're like they do I agree with you that men should they

Upgradecan make the first move but I'm saying not to make that your whole life like looking for a partner don't make that your whole life make your life you make it about improving yourself uh yeah I I agree with you that

Brian Atlasmen should improve themselves but this idea that uh just kind of like go about your life as a man live your life as best as you can and women will magically Manifest this is just this is a position

Brian Atlaswomen can take you just have to exist and by virtue of existing you will have men in your DMs you will have men who come and approach you women almost uh

Brian Atlaswomen never make almost never make the first move women don't approach women don't typically slide into DMS so I just I don't understand how your advice perhaps this is to some degree good

Upgradeadvice for women I'm not even sure if that's the case but I cannot advise this uh well I I think it is good advice for women um I can understand where you're

Upgradecoming from in the position that it's harder for men to find a partner if um they're the only ones really making the first move um I'm just saying that if

Upgradeyou're really desperate for a partner and you make that your entire life um it will be harder for you to spend time improving yourself so you have to

Upgradeuh focus on improving yourself rather than pursuing

Brian Atlaswomen so what should men do then prove themselves okay but I mean I don't think like even like so you're just saying oh all these men they're only focusing on women

Upgradelike they're they're just like spending all day like cold approaching women in the street they're like neglecting large time consumption I would say in people's schedules like the one day I decided to

Upgradedownload dating app I was on there I think I looked at my screen time for 3 hours that's as much time as I spent on like Instagram and I didn't even realize it because it's so fastpaced into the

Brian Atlasmic please go ahead it's so fast paced mhm so sure it just is very timec consuming I just don't think it's good prescriptive advice to tell men to just

Brian Atlasmanifest a woman like oh she'll just um well depends on what we're talking about but um yeah a guy can't just like sit around

Upgradeeven if he like levels up gets his money up gets in the gym I'm not saying sit around you can make the first move but just don't you know pursue it like don't don't pursue it don't pursue it to the point where I mean for the third time

Upgradecan you speak into your mic please don't pursue it to the point where you feel like um it's taking up three three hours of your day you could be spending that

Upgradeat the gym at school at work um you see a pretty girl at at the gym and you go up to her and say hey what's up don't let that take over the time that you're going to be working out yeah I mean I don't disagree I don't think all your

Brian Atlastime should be dedicated towards chasing women exactly but like if we're talking about the law of attraction like my understand like the secret this seems to be some sort of uh prescriptive advice that things will come to you if you like

Brian Atlashave a vision board or some [ __ ] like oh okay I'm just just going to like manifest these things into the universe they'll come to me in fact they they'll even say I I saw the the secret they're

Brian Atlaslike oh you just if you get bills in the mail and you just start thinking like how abundant your life is the bills will stop coming or you manifest a parking

Brian Atlasspot simply by thinking about I'm going to find a parking spot it's like what no like as a guy you have to actually take like actual steps when it comes to

Brian Atlasdating to like get a woman you can't just like sit there I'm in the club I'll just sit here let all the women come up to me and offer them me sex never happens except for Andrew happens to him

Brian Atlasall the time right Andrew when he was when he used to go to the club when he was a Chad still is a Chad sorry still Chad still Chad okay I don't know whatever anyways um you said

Brian Atlascomment on Natural Body Supremacy you like to elaborate you watch the video uh everyone will reverse what they did you want to clarify yeah so I saw this um

UpgradeTick Tock about how um there's going to be a new Beauty Trend and it's going to be about reversing all of the plastic surgery that people have done so like um

Upgradedissolving their Botox um getting the fat removed out of their BBL Etc um and that's just because beauty standards are forever

Upgradeunreachable and uh now that people have kind of permanently altered their body they're going to or semi-permanently um they're going to make them reverse it so

Upgradenow it the natural body is going to be trending the natural body is going to be trending and [Music] yeah what do you mean

Brian Atlastrending as in beauty standards they're constantly changing okay yep sure yeah any any fake titties at the

Brian Atlaspanel yourself included no no I got those naturally uh got to lose a bit of weight you know um okay yeah um so you're just commenting on how natural

Brian Atlasbodies are like coming more back into favor yes because said f that you're a natural body supremacist right yeah I am so I thought that was somewhat relevant

Brian Atlasokay sure yeah uh you dis disagreement with something you said last time apparently contradictory that you're an egalitarian for other women but a complementarian in your own personal life yeah I addressed that before Oh

Brian Atlasokay um and then you wanted to react to like a bear video or not the bear video but um you sent me a clip you want to react to that you wanted to like have the panel react to that um yeah because you always ask the question if you were

Upgradestuck in a forest would it rather be would you rather it be a bear or a man and so um that came up on my for you where a woman was actually battered for not acknowledging a man across the

Upgradestreet who was cat calling her so that's why in the caption she she said this is why women choose the bear okay sure that's totally fine um we'll go into that really quick we'll pull up the

Brian Atlasvideo in the moment but first let's go around the table uh so you're in the woods would you rather come across a random man or random bear starting with

Upgradeyou um I think I have to think for a second yeah I'm not saying her position was mine I'm just I don't know now yeah how did you not know I was going to ask

Brian Atlasthis qu okay I thought you were going to start there well sometimes we go this way um this is like kneejerk gut reaction man or a

Lily Phillipsbear probably a bear okay what about you a man okay a man okay probably bear bear

Brian Atlasall right a man man is this adraa have a man yeah not for sex for you can't have no bear gang

Brian Atlasbangs Okay they're H hung by the way just be careful um what I'm not going to be saling oh okay is that more somebody else's okay never mind uh be man which

Brian Atlasdo you pick man oh did you yeah which did you pick um I picked i' Rob have the guy the man okay how yeah Candice man Aya what

Upgradedo you pick man definitely man okay so we got only two bears here so bear and then you picked the bear um just really quick why do you pick bear why don't you pick man I think the last

Upgradetime I was on I asked if um I asked if um we could have bear spray on us and you said yes so yeah I would chose the

Brian Atlasbear what's B spray it's uh it's like pepper spray except yeah you can also use the bear also works on a man that works on a man pretty effectively um but uh what What's your fear there what's

Upgradethe fear of the man because you you pick a wild animal over the man so why do you pick uh bear I feel like in any case of trouble they're just as um agile as I am you know bearss are kind of limited to their bears are faster than humans and

Upgradethey can climb trees yeah but they're a little bit more clumsy and big so they can't quite get into the Bears are not clumsy yes they're quite they're quite clumsy maybe climb mountains climb

Andrew Wilsonmountains with ease they literally climb up sheer Rock faces with ease and same thing with trees they climb up trees very easily they're not they're not actually very clumsy at all

Upgradeyeah yeah because they have their claws but I mean like in general their movements like their arms waving in the air sure um but what what's the fear of the man what's the fear of man what

Upgradetheir arms waving in the is this like what bare arm AR kind of anime are you watching yeah I don't know yeah I mean they do have to like

Brian Atlasattack you do the bass run at you they don't need to stand up do they run oh really um why don't you pick man though for forget about the bear why why don't you pick man

CarlyH um I would be scared they try to violate me in some way that's okay that's the concern what about you oh I mean I kind of just said it like off the top of my head like in my head it was

Carlylike if a bear is trying to attack me versus if a man is trying to attack me like I feel like with the bear it would just be over faster oh no they eat you alive and slowly and they started the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)groin Candace is I did not know that yeah Candace is right they they it will be the worst death imaginable well then you know I change my answer like some animals will kill you first

Brian Atlasthen eat you but Bears will just start eating I don't know a lot about bears so that's what I thought but if not then but the was the concern for you similar to her like oh well like a bear could kill me a man could kill me but the man could like torture me he could essay me

Carlythis sort of thing I mean I guess that's like a small part of it for me it was more so like you know in my head once again that like bear would kill me

Brian Atlasfaster so no okay which apparently is not true but but that's more so you know what though I don't think we can actually pull up the clip

Brian Atlasbecause it's kind of graphic and she's got like facial injuries um so I yeah it's it would fall on her door probably that yeah I mean it's not it's not that

Brian Atlaslike terrible like she's got like pretty bad uh like black eyes but what's your how do you categorize like this this incident or whatever um so the the PRP

Brian Atlasover that she's in like the hospital she is pretty bruised up I I'll just have to describe it there's a uh text that reads this is why women pick the bear I was

Brian Atlasquite literally walking down the street and me not acknowledging a man got me this um and then she did some other posts I didn't really investigate it

Brian Atlasthat much but um I mean she was attacked violently um obviously that's a terrible thing um I'm a little confused though like she's

Brian Atlasclaiming it's happened because she didn't acknowledge the man obviously we're not there we don't know um I do think sometimes women like will like a homeless man will like say some like outlandish [ __ ] like a homeless mentally

Brian Atlaschallenged per not mentally challenged like mentally ill homeless person who's like on drugs will like say something to a woman and then women will like map that on to all men not saying that there

Brian Atlaslike there's not normal quote unquote normal men who are like Despicable I'm not saying that but like women will encounter like homeless people homeless men or like mentally ill men and then be

Brian Atlaslike oh okay like let me map this on to like all men and I just think some guy like randomly beating up a woman in the street like unprovoked I have to wonder

Brian Atlaslike was he was he on drugs was he like homeless or something I don't know we don't know the full story okay oh okay but I do have a

Brian Atlasquestion for you um when it comes to this whole like this is so this it reads this is why women pick the bear

Brian Atlasum if we replace um uh women with white people this is why white people pick the bear and the implication here would be

Brian Atlasover a black person I was quite literally walking down the street and me not acknowledging a black person got me this would this be a racist

Upgradestatement if they're generalizing white people to uh choose a black person over being on the street with a

Brian Atlasbear no but like so she's saying this is why women pick the bear over men so like let's say let's say you're victimized by

Brian Atlasa black person and then you make a an Instagram story and you say oh okay well this is why white people pick the bear

Brian Atlasover black people because I was victimized by this demographic is it

Brian Atlasracist yeah okay so then the position when it comes to men is sexist just to be logically consistent

Upgradeum yeah I would say okay so women just women who pick bear are they sexist um they're not sexist it might come from a point of view of personal experience I think when you make those

UpgradeGeneral statements like this is why women choose the bear over the man um those statements are pretty sexist but from an individual that statement might

Upgradebe coming from personal experience so you're saying on the individual level it's if someone prefers the bear over the man but would they individually on the micro level be

Brian Atlassexist uh they might be sexist they might be sexist yeah oh okay I mean if you're granting my position that it's sexist I really have anything to debate

Brian Atlaswith you on um do you think sexism is good or bad uh I don't think sexism in any case is good okay so like why do we sort of paint men with

Brian Atlasthis sort of broad brush like why do we just view them as Predators or um to the point where like vast amounts of women are saying I'd rather be in the force alone with like a dangerous wild animal over a

Brian Atlasman like imagine if people like white people just started saying I'd rather be in the force alone with a dangerous wild animal than a black person that that would like have to be racist so I'm

Brian Atlaswondering like why is it so okay in I guess modern discourse to just be like openly sexist towards men that's what I find kind of

Brian Atlasconfusing I'm not sure why but um a lot of women have had bad personal experiences with I I don't disagree but I would just go back to like doing a

Brian Atlasparallel to race okay let's say a white person has had one two or three bad experiences with a black person they see news stories and belong to online groups and their Tik Tock Tik Tok algorithm is

Brian Atlasfeeding them stories about black onwhite crime and they have safety concerns uh and then they're like all of a sudden they're scared of black people they believe they uh believe all black people

Brian Atlashave the capacity for violence or assault of some kind would this has to be a racist position to hold AO it also must be a sexist position to hold if as a woman you've had individual negative

Upgradeexperiences with men and then you think all men are like Predators or dangerous or whatever those women who've had those negative experiences they might not think that all men are predators or

Upgradedangerous they might just be a little bit more cautious based on their experience yeah sure and that's okay for people to be more cautious based on their experience it doesn't mean that they think that all men are dangerous or

Brian AtlasPredators it's just that they have a wall up or a guard up okay sure um anyways we kind of talk we always talk about the bear so we won't

Brian Atlaslinger too long on that I'll get back to the show notes Here uh let's go to Becca Becca a ex Pastor you walked away from Ministry religion un and unsupportive

Brian Atlasbeliefs in order to find fall in love with and live as your true self true self okay uh you said you excuse me help

Brian Atlaswomen drop the good girl Persona and you create a full turn turn turn on of their voice visibility and impact you also occasionally get a little naked on the

Becca Slideronly fans um you said something about [ __ ] based confidence what is [ __ ] based confidence um [ __ ] based confidence is

Becca Sliderkind of a term that I coin but what it really has to do with is um our sexuality is like the creative life force of us so so when I talk about [ __ ] based confidence it's really the energy of a full turn on like that

Becca Sliderstatement says a full turn on not just sexually speaking but a turn on of our life force a turn on of ourselves in every way a turn on of actually like appreciating who we are validating who we are and living in a way that's

Becca Slideraligned to our soul [ __ ] based conf is there what is the um what is the soul in this context uh for me the soul is like

Becca Sliderpeople use different versions of this word I would say it's like your deeper intuition your deeper knowing I believe personally that our soul existed before this is just a body so this is where my spirituality gets into it a little bit is it's not an agenda I push but I would

Becca Slidersay like you know you have like a gut knowing like this is like something's off or this is the right decision that's what I'm referencing do do you think then that people who don't have good intuition don't have souls or they have bad souls

Becca Slideror no not at all everyone has great intuition people are just disconnected from it and as women we are taught from a young age many of us not all of us to be disconnected from our bodies we're

Becca Slidertaught that our body is bad like I grew up in a home where it's like your body it wasn't called bad it was very much like you need to cover it you need to keep it protected it's for your husband only like masturbation is wrong the

Becca Slider[ __ ] no I'm talking about like the the body and the disconnection from it cuz I was referencing how your intuition is within your body you feel it in your body yeah so this um well just real quick before Brian continues the line of

Andrew Wilsoninquiry I just want to sure I understand a couple things so when you say spiritualism I'm not sure does that are you saying there's a Creator it's not the Christian God but it's some other God or what what does that mean exactly

Andrew Wilsonspiritualism ises that infer some religious archetype or no witchcraft or something like that like what is it what what are we what are we alluding to for spiritualism here um well I didn't say spiritualism I just said I'm spiritual

Becca Sliderbut when I'm talking about spirituality for me spiritualism right sure sure I'm just go ahead I'm just referencing for me um some form of a higher power for me it feels more like energy that's how I

Becca Sliderwould reference it yeah I think for everybody it's different right for me I had for years I had the lens of Christianity on what I mean by that is I had Supernatural experiences for many years and I look back and out it's like

Becca Slideroh because I'm not a Christian anymore they weren't real no they were real they were very real they were real through the lens of my Christian world view and you take that lens ghost like ghosts and stuff like that uh I I never call them

Andrew Wilsonghosts but yeah I mean I had yeah I feel like we're getting a ghost well I mean we're not I'm just clarifying right I just want to understand exactly what it is that you're saying when you use these terms

Andrew Wilsonright so for me I think you understand what I mean when I say Christianity anyway uh but if you ever want to clarify I could clarify it for you but when you say spiritual right it is important for me to understand what you mean by that so if you're if you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying well there's some kind of grand archetype I'm not sure what it is or some type of deity perhaps I'm not sure what it is the supernatural does exist I'm just not sure what it is that all forms into that worldview that you have and so that's that's what I'm interested

Becca Sliderin is kind of seeing what that is you know what I mean so I can understand sure that's not something that I push yeah that's not something that I push as any type of agenda for me it goes back to like the intuition so as a coach one

Becca Sliderof my main goals if I have any really is to bring the person back home to themselves so I'm not going to tell them what to do I think that people can come back to a deeper knowing it's just that you have to come you have to actually start getting the layers of programming

Andrew Wilsonand conditioning off you first we're all brought up in some type of programming isn't what you're doing programming and conditioning in what way well you're programming people that they need to

Andrew Wilsoncome back to a deeper sense of self and that there's a a deep sense of intuition which spiritual yeah you can call it that I mean it's programming too right sure except there are no Staples of beliefs that I'm telling them to go to

Andrew WilsonI'm bringing them back to themselves yeah well St there's no staple of belief what are you bringing them back to their own intuition their own knowing I

Andrew Wilsonthat's one of I'm sorry would that require belief it does require belief yeah so then so then it sounds like it's Dogma sure whatever makes you feel good

Danielleabout calling it that I have a quick question is it are you just teaching people to love themselves or like you're asking like with the coaching yeah is it so I work I actually no I do a lot of confidence

Becca Slidercoaching for entrepreneurs so it's actually like this is not even the a lot of what I I do with coaching that's why I feel like we're kind of you describe

Danielleyourself no go you go ahead no I was trying to understand what exactly it was that you do like if you're just teaching cuz what what did you call it [ __ ] something [ __ ] [ __ ] B [ __ ] based

Becca Sliderconfidence are you like teaching people to go out there and use their [ __ ] to like love themselves in a sense I wouldn't I wouldn't word it that way no I'm getting them back in touch with they are and part of that is their sexual

Becca Slidercreative power but really we're doing a lot of work with mindset sematic elements because your nervous system if it's not on board you're not going to change your mind so there's a lot of there's a lot of but like are you is it

Becca Sliderper one partner or you're saying people oh no this isn't like about this is this has no agenda like separate with like people having sex with people or anything like that no you describe yourself as a baddie a baddie yeah I think I saw somewhere you describe

Brian Atlasyourself as a absolutely definitely I don't know I I have some thoughts on this cuz I've seen other women like self-describe like baddy boss babe bad [ __ ] whatever it is um I feel like like women who self-refer to themselves in

Becca Sliderit's kind of like guys who call themselves alpha male oh I don't think of it as an alpha energy well how about we ask me what definition would be clear I'm not saying that you're referring to

Brian Atlasyourself as an alpha yeah but it's like The Men Who refer to themselves as alpha or alpha male it's kind of lame that's fine yeah

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)so like what's that quote from Game of Thrones Tywin Lannister Joffrey like yeah anyone that has to tell someone that they're a king is no King no King something like that I don't know it's just yeah it was more it was more out of

Brian Atlasfun and playfulness because I have a lot of fun and playfulness to myself that I can understand how that comes across are you saying you perceive her as insecure H are you saying you perceive her as insecure I don't think that would be

Brian Atlasenough like data to make like a total like a determination into ality but I do think like women who tend to like self-refer like Oh I'm a baddie like if

Brian Atlasyou're a baddy you don't need to say you're a baddy and I it's not so much like uh it's more so I I draw parallel to like the guys who call themselves alpha males like it's just kind of like like do you guys think that's like

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)attractive if or like if a guy calls himself an alpha male like it's just kind of you know it doesn't really right you don't you don't feel the type of way about that I do

Ayayeah I don't I it I wonder if there's are they actually Alpha usually never usually never I don't know oh did you have more Aya or just

Ayabit of a I I feel like like there's like I think it's like fine if you view her as insecure and for what I don't know if you are or not yeah that's oh I mean I wasn't even making a a claim like that okay I just was Wonder I wasn't sure if

Ayalike when you responding to me you were like kind of feeling like maybe like you're not supposed to like say that directly or something so I just want to say that I I wasn't feeling I was trying to trap you or anything I was just generally curious if that was how you

Brian Atlasfelt M but it's that's fine it's not a big deal yeah I don't I can't make a uh determination on that specific thing just on the basis that she referred to

Brian Atlasherself as a baddie but I mean I was just making the parallel to like the whole thing where guys call themselves alpha or alpha male um you have a daughter right I have two daughters and

Brian Atlasa son two daughters and a son um and how how old is she 19 18 and 133 okay and like would you want her to do uh o if

Brian Atlasshe felt it was a line for her but I don't push it okay all right and um all right uh getting into your some crazy dating stories you said there was a time

Brian Atlasyou were swinger for a bit but lots of stories there in general uh what will be fun to talk about with me is that you're a pastor we talked about that um and then like you said you're a top one o

Brian AtlasCreator like so what does that actually mean like top 1% um top top one percentages have to do with income typically but isn't I I don't know exactly how it works on only fans but

Brian Atlasisn't it the case like when you're factoring in top 1% like aren't you factoring in the accounts that are like the consumers so they don't post anything but they're just like buying the only fans content no idea haven't you done stuff on this yeah or is it

Ayajust Creator based when you're look people are talking about percentages yeah I you would know better than me yeah I I I'm under the impression that it does not take into account people who are creators but it does take into

Ayaaccount inactive Creator accounts M so it it's a yeah I think like most active accounts are typically in the top like 3 to

Brian Atlas8% okay sure uh and then let's see here you uh okay you wanted to talk about vetting dates communication sex plus respect and dismantling what is appropriate especially for women when it

Brian Atlascomes to what they do with their bodies um and then overall belief that what your dis what you desire exists this is a big one um what do you mean by uh when it comes to what they dismantling what

Becca Slideris appropriate when it comes to what they do with their body as women I think it's just the narrative that is that exists and has existed for so long that women who are um expressing themselves

Becca Slidersexually in whatever way that looks like maybe it's just they dress super sexy whatever that they can't be that and also respected that they can't be that and also a person of influence that they can't be that and also a leader and so

Brian Atlasand that's not to say everyone feels that way but I think that is definitely a narrative in our society okay all right so I mean would you take

Brian Atlasquarrel then like let's say a a man a man's standard is uh he'd prefer to date a woman who dressed modestly do you you take objection or Coral no I think that's preference and there's nothing

Andrew Wilsonwrong with that okay um H all right but aren't these narratives aren't these narratives built around preference like isn't that the very idea behind the narrative that you're talking

Andrew Wilsonabout so if the the you're saying a woman's dressing promiscuously let's say she all tatted up she's dressed promiscuously this type of thing um and you say but that doesn't actually detract from the fact that she could be

Andrew Wilsona powerful leader or you could be this you could be that but isn't the the reason the narrative exists in the first place because the preference of exg group doesn't like that to begin with so

Becca Sliderisn't that in a way kind of setting people up for failure I guess but you're also talking about a standard of social norms versus just a preference right those are those to me are two different

Becca Sliderthings right social norms come from preferences right sure a whole lot of people having a certain preference based on certain beliefs that can be really daming toward one gender or One race or

Andrew Wilsonwhatever yeah I mean whether they are they're not right they're still coming from preferences so if it is the case that these are coming from preferences if you tell women that like let's say

Andrew Wilsonmost men have a preference against women who dress promiscuously and have tons of tattoos and things like this right at least like let's say I don't know high-powered Executives or people like this who want a long-term relationship

Andrew Wilsonright the chances are they don't want their woman to show up with sleeve tattoos and dress promiscuously when they're around you know XX group isn't it kind of setting them up for failure to tell them that it's actually no you

Andrew Wilsoncan reclaim this in some power position which ultimately isn't even up to them it's up to other people's preference right in certain ways but I'm it's not so black and white as you're declaring it to be right you're making I'm not

Becca Slidersaying it's black I'm just asking yeah I think in certain in certain ways yes if you're talking about like a top CEO executive position they're going in for they can't just dress however they want but it's it's more about embracing their

Becca Slidersexuality in general and expressing it in whatever way feels good to them and the idea that and again this is like the whole taboo energy that we have in the society the idea that like oh well the respect goes out the window right like

Andrew Wilsonpeople aren't going to respect you and that's that's very true for the most part I I agree I just think that aren't you isn't it counterintuitive so if you're saying well this is socially taboo which means the taboo came from

Andrew Wilsonpreference I mean otherwise it wouldn't be a taboo like it what would make it a taboo other than tons and tons of people prefer that it's not you know happening right that that's what a taboo would be

Andrew Wilsonso that's the case if if you're telling women to embrace this thing which is taboo then you're also essentially telling them that they're going to be at the mercy of all of these preferences is

Becca Slideragainst that taboo doesn't that how does that not set them up for failure yeah it just depends on how they're choosing to because like for me right I'm on only fans okay that's not not every woman not even close to every woman or even a

Becca Sliderlarge percentage of it is going to want to express themselves that way so I have the privilege of running my own business so I'm not going to have anybody coming down my throat and telling me I can't dress a certain way or do certain things

Becca Sliderbut it doesn't mean that a woman who's in corporate can't decide she's going to express herself in the way that she wants in a way that feels good to her because I have women come to me they're like oh I want to do only fans and because they know I do it they're asking

Becca Sliderme for my advice they're like I can't do it in the way that you do it can I do it anonymously whatever and this is just an only fans example but it's it's just figuring out what feels good to them and feels align that they can push the edges

Becca Slideron and yes at the same time this is more of a movement of dismantling the things that are telling us as women we have to look a certain way we have to cover you know ourselves in a certain way to be

Becca Sliderrespected or to be respectable and it has to you know fit in this box of other people's expectations that's literally the number one regret of the dying so this is much broader is that people aren't regretting what they didn't accomplish and they didn't freaking make

Andrew Wilsona bunch of money they're regretting that they lived a life for everyone else's expectations instead of being true to themselves most people aren't on their deathbed wishing they got gang bang so the thing is is like ultimately

Andrew Wilsonultimately if if the idea here is preference based right and you're like it's a movement against these social tabos which is what you're after right why wouldn't that in instead create Whiplash where the movement against

Andrew Wilsonthose social taboos becomes even stronger it's like in some ways right I I get what you're trying to do you're saying going against the grain feminists have been doing this for you know decades and decades and decades but the Whiplash against it now is like nothing

Andrew WilsonI've ever seen you know gen Z is becoming more conservative uh and less liberal and they they want more conservative women not less liberal more women are saying they want more conservative men less liberal men things like this it seems like the movement

Andrew Wilsontowards tradition is backlash against exactly what you're trying to attempt which is basically what feminists have been trying to attempt sexual Liberation for about 70 years well and I agree and also it's not a movement for everyone

Becca SliderI'm not out here saying every [ __ ] woman needs to be following this every woman should be coming on but it is for the women who are in a place where they feel that angst they feel this fragmentation of their body of of their

Becca Sliderlife because they're living this way and feeling this way right and so I'm not for everyone as a coach I'm not for everyone as a speaker and the movement isn't for every woman but it is for the women who want to Take Back Control in that way and actually be more

Andrew Wilsonself-expressed in a way that feels good that lights them up that they felt like they couldn't do before yeah but I guess what I'm asking is like is it really control so when you think about it so I'm just trying to think about it from your perspective right the idea of we're

Andrew Wilsongiving control back to these women who feel like they're maybe sexually oppressed or that they can't express themselves properly sexually without being judged by it right sure but is that really control like is that that

Andrew Wilsonreally control or is it setting you up for failure well I don't consider it control like for instance what are you controlling at that point for me it's personal sovereignty it's personal autonomy it's personal agency right so it's not about like control and having

Becca Slidercontrol over even other people's opinions per se I mean the things that I've done stepping down from church from Ministry walking away from church deconstructing my faith and being like I'm no longer a Christian after that's what everyone knew me for that was that

Becca Sliderwas not easy I had to get to a point where I actually was so grounded in who I was and who and loving myself and knowing judgment is coming from every angle I had no one for a whole year no one in my judg comes a lot less when you

Becca Sliderconvince people over to your side right that but that's the beauty of it that's what I'm trying to say is I don't have any agenda to to like prove any my side to anyone and I don't I think that's the

Andrew Wilsonwhole that's where we all go wrong you can prove a point or you can influence a heart but you cannot do both so it has to come back no I'm pretty pretty confident you can not only win a point

Becca Sliderbut influence a heart at the same time I'm 100% confident it's very uncommon when proving the point comes from an agenda of I'm right and you're wrong that's all that's what I mean by that statement well you may not win over that

Andrew Wilsonperson's heart right but this is why we have social tabos to begin with people have been having these debates for thousands of years right not this isn't the first one first time people in two different worldviews have ever clashed and uh not agreed with each other right

Andrew Wilsonbut what are they clashing for well they're usually clashing not to convince the opposite person but to convince the people who are viewing The Clash right yeah this is the same reason people show up to sporting events and everything

Andrew Wilsonelse right they showing up for The Clash itself they want to see which thing wins out which thing it makes the most sense it seems to me that if it is the case that there's a massive social taboo

Andrew Wilsonagainst the idea of this sexual Liberation that you would actually instead of empowering women be setting them up for failure by telling them that they should do everything in their power to go against what what the preferences

Becca Sliderof most men are like that seems so counterintuitive to me yeah I'm not that that's not the goal the goal isn't go against everything men have preference for the goal is figure out who you are and what's aligned for you and where

Andrew Wilsonyou're hiding parts of you and where you're shaming parts of you that's what I mean well then what is [ __ ] Power what is [ __ ] Power except saying that you have power in your sexuality and its expression but the preference of most

Andrew Wilsonmen is that when women Express overt sexuality right they don't like it they're like wait that makes you easy or that makes you this or that makes you that uh they definitely don't have a preference for easy women not most men

Becca Sliderthere's some men I'll grant you that do but most men don't so that that's like it just seems like it's setting people up for failure by that MRI in a way yeah there and that's a whole side topic

Andrew Wilsonbecause [ __ ] based confidence is not just about the idea of just getting them back to their sexuality and having it sexually expressed well I mean if I said I teach a course on Dick based confidence right wouldn't you I mean

Andrew Wilsonwhat what would your assumption there be your assumption there would be uh men are in charge men are liberated uh men do what they want and we're going to you know we're going to go bang a bunch of chicks you know like those would be the

Andrew Wilsonpre-assumptions which are built into that and those would be reasonable assumptions wouldn't they yes I'm sorry I got distracted by the comment and also there seems to be a protest outside so I have to tell you that I did not hear the

Becca Sliderlast sentence you said I think they're calling stop oh yeah there's like a

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Becca SliderI don't know um so okay uh what where were we what were we talking about um we were just finishing I think unless you have more you wanted to head on I

Brian Atlashonestly can't say cuz I didn't hear the last sentence you said so sorry yeah I mean I'll get into some of the uh other show notes so uh let me uh do that so

Andrew Wilsonokay uh let's see here wait wait wait what are they calling for there no oh my

TTS/DonationsGod okay um hold on moving on uh wait hold

Brian Atlason all right uh okay let's get back into some of the pre-show notes then we're just going to have to move it on uh let's see here we we do have uh uh

Brian Atlasanything else here from Becca um let's see asked you to no okay we're just going to move it on to Katarina uh Katarina your pre-show notes

Becca Sliderhere you said pick me to be on your stupid show that was the beginning of it I thought that was all the notes W

Katrinayou got picked yeah that like that was last year and banter back before with everybody

Katrinaand they all told me it was a bad idea so I decided not to but then my sister came to La so I thought hey I'll swing by oh okay cool um why is the show

Katrinastupid well I just think that you guys um don't give us like I think

Katrinathat I don't think your show is stupid I said that oh okay yeah I know I said that like when there was some I think you guys do a great job of um you know

Katrinagetting your likes and getting your comments and getting going viral um and I thought that coming on would be fun and something fun to do with my

Katrinasister cuz we don't really get to hang out much and um I always wanted to come to LA and that's why I end up here um

Katrinaapologize to call calling your show stupid it is a little bit like you know um sorry I've never been like on a mic before so just give me a minute to I've

Katrinajust been sitting here trying to figure out what the right words to say are I think that um you know people that use and

Katrinatake advantage of people for money in all sense are um not like I live my life not using and taking advantage of people for money and um it's really hard to do that and I

Katrinathink that like I'm not trying to say anything bad about sex work my mom uh was in sex work so I have a big heart for it um I

Katrinajust think that there's more to each individual story and I don't think you guys really give much tenderness to like

Brian Atlasthe women that are on here okay well is there anything else or cuz I I want to go Point by point what else is there anything else or is that it it's about

Brian Atlasit okay so you you mentioned using and taking advantage of people for money and I don't say money saying I'm not saying that you guys do that I'm just saying

Katrinawhy did you bring it up then I just I I brought it up because um I okay I asked you for how the show is stupid and then you invoked you you said

Brian Atlasusing and taking advantage of people how how are we using and taking advantage of people that you guys are using I bring it up when I as you the basis of your claim that the show stupid I meant like

KatrinaI just wanted to come on the show and prove a different side of you know being a woman and not using and taking advantage of people for money um and

Katrinabeing like you know trying to be Noble in this world um without um you know putting other people down at the same

Katrinapoint of um like uh growing up with all like porn and and how it desensitizes people and I think that um you know there's I don't

KatrinaI've never like I've never actually watched porn in my life so like um I don't see the I don't see the hype I think that um it's really hard to be a good

Katrinaperson in this world and it takes a lot of work and effort and um I just want to do the right thing and I don't mean to put anybody down I was like you know probably my feelings about something

Brian Atlasthat you said when I wrote that message and um okay so your position is not that we're using and taking advantage of people you're saying you don't use and take advantage people yeah because it's

Katrinaso easy to use and take advantage of people I've been used and take advantage of for many things okay so I think that like the whole message that I'm trying to convey being on this show is like not

Brian Atlasto do that and just to you know okay so just to be charitable here you're saying that it's our position that we make the claim that for example women who do only fans

Brian Atlasthey're using and taking advantage of men and you don't use and take advantage of men is that your position basically yeah I mean I honestly don't I I honestly don't

Brian Atlaseven really like the porn bad conversation I find it kind of boring but um I'm not saying porn is bad I'm just saying I don't want it I didn't say you said that um but uh I mean there and

Brian Atlasactually I do want to give a little bit of credit to uh Candice here because I I saw on your I looked at some of your links on your only fans it appears that

Brian Atlasyou uh and I wrote this down I've never seen this uh on an only fans profile but you wrote something along the lines of

Brian Atlasuh you write the engagement on this platform by uh Eva is it Eva or EV Eva laa is strictly for entertainment purposes only all interactions represent a cur digital Persona and should not be

Brian Atlasinterpreted as personal professional or real world relationships uh Eva does oper character and all interaction trademark by the way and all interactions are intended to remain within the boundaries of this digital platform is that like a disclaimer

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)because you're are you using AI or you have like chat like the chatter no no I don't use AI at all um but you have like Chatters or like management that like chats for you no I have management that helps with content but no I try to get to as many people as I can which is but

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)you don't have like a typer or a chatter no no no no oh because I thought this was the disclosure you were essentially no the disclosure no the disclosure is to make it clear because sometimes there

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)can be um delusional men and it's not always their fault cuz I have seen really bad practices let me get this m out sorry I have seen um bad practices

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)from creators as well where they I mean I've heard them literally say I'm going to suck the this guy dry right like I'm just going to like drain his bank account like I think that that's awful I no one should be doing that so um okay I

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)want it to be abundantly clear like this is entertainment if we are engaging in chat like that it's not a relationship consume this responsibly so you don't have anybody sending messages on your

Brian Atlasbehalf NOP okay I mean I wasn't I perhaps misunderstood this portion of it I thought this was actually like a

Brian Atlasdisclosure like hey by the way like you might not actually be talking to me um because that kind of goes into my point here of how like I think I think there is some degree of

Brian Atlasfraud uh that's going on sweet though that you put like a little disc but I actually I mean um Candace I actually now that I've brought it here though this actually was not my intention so I

Brian Atlasdon't want to you to feel like you're being blindsided or whatever but like um uh I was under the impression that this disclaimer was indicating that you did use like typers and Chatters or you had like AI or for example I mean I see

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)that you're active now but you're sitting here at the table no it's active because it's just like whether or not you have an app but if you go to chat like there's not going to isn't it based on like how recently you sent a message no no you can have it open I

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