3x RAGE QUIT! She Did 100 Men In 1 DAY?! 1,000 NEXT?! Lily Phillips! Eva Lovia! | Dating Talk #227

Date: 2025-02-12

Duration: 7h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAya (Idaho/SF)>

CCandace Horbach >

LLily Phillips >

BBecca Slider >

CCarly (SB/LA)>

KKatrina (Ottawa)>

DDanielle (Ontario)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Carly(guest)

SPEAKER_04Danielle(guest)

SPEAKER_05Aya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Patrice O'Neal (clip)(audience)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Katrina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Becca Slider(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lily Phillips(guest)

SPEAKER_14Upgrade(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAya introduces herself: 32yo, from Idaho (homeschooled, Calvinist), lives in SF. Researcher who also does escorting. Was top OnlyFans creator. Charges $4K/hr for escorting.

“all right I am Aya uh I'm 32 years old M uh my location is here but I originally came from Idaho and now I live in SF”

QuoteAya describes her escorting work: charges $4K/hr, met a client at her hotel the night before the show.

“I Char 4K for the first hour and then a th each additional hour okay how many did he just do the one or was he like a baller”

IntroCandace Horbach (Eva Lovia) introduces herself: 35yo, adult industry 2001-2017, now podcaster, based in NC/Austin. Graduated from Coastal Carolina University. Stage name Eva Lovia.

“my name is Candace horbach I'm 35 I was in the adult industry from about 2001 to 2017 um I left I started a podcast”

IntroLily Phillips introduces herself: 23yo from Darbyshire, England. Adult star. Discusses her 101-man-in-a-day challenge (October 2024) and plans to do 1000+ to break the world record (currently 1057 by Bonnie Blue).

“I'm Lily Phillips I am 23 I'm from darbishire in England I live in London um adult star”

QuoteLily Phillips announces her goal to break the world record for most men in a day (the current record is ~1057 by Bonnie Blue). Plans a "conveyor belt" setup.

“yeah H yeah so you're going to do a thousand in a in a day yes I was watching Australian check already do that”

QuoteLily describes upcoming skydiving sex scene project.

“at the end of this month I'm doing a Skydive where I suck a guys Park skydiving sex scene yeah somebody's done that I haven't seen anyone do it”

IntroBecca Slider introduces herself: 43yo confidence coach, speaker, podcaster, top 1% OnlyFans. Was ordained pastor for 10 years. Deconstructed faith ~5-6 years ago.

“I'm Becca slider I'm a confidence coach and a speaker and I host a podcast and then I'm also a 1% Creator on only fans”

IntroCarly introduces herself: 21yo, originally from Santa Barbara, lives in LA, studies marketing, part-time fashion model.

“hi yeah I'm Carly I'm 21 and I'm originally from Santa Barbara actually but I live in LA right now um and I go to college and I also model part-time”

IntroKatrina introduces herself: 35yo bartender from Ottawa, Ontario, high school education.

“my name's Katrina from Ottawa Ontario Canada I'm a bartender since I was 17 I have a high school education”

IntroDanielle introduces herself: 30yo from Elmont, Ontario. Studied addiction and justice studies. Worked for the Government of Canada.

“hi my name is Danielle I am 30 I am from Elmont Ontario uh very small town uh I went to school for addiction um along with Justice studies and police foundations”

IntroUpgrade (returning guest) introduces herself: 22yo singer-songwriter, here for her third song. Sings Etta James "At Last" a cappella.

“hello I'm upgrade this is my second time on the whatever podcast I'm 22 and and I am a singer songwriter”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst/satirist, engages in debates worldwide. Declines to sing.

“I'm not going to sing a song no sh no my name is now you have now I'm the host of The Crucible to popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst”

QuoteAya reveals she showers only ~37 times per year (record low 14-17 in 2019) and her 2022 stats spreadsheet tracking all activities.

“showered 37 what uh lowest amount of times you've ever showered in a year uh I think it was like 14 17 I think 17”

QuoteBecca admits to pity sex with her husband while pregnant with third child — "wildly insatiable" during pregnancy.

“yeah yeah when I was pregnant shit you know uh yeah I mean pity but it because when I that sounds really bad when I was pregnant with my third I wanted sex every day it was it was insane”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Katrina vigorously about her role "running" a prostitute friend, arguing that acting as a pimp is "unadulterated evil" and parasitical. Katrina defends her intentions as trying to help.

“pimp is so parasitical a literal parasite on society almost as bad as a prostitute herself”

QuoteCandace formally apologizes to Brian for making a video misrepresenting him without doing due diligence, then bows to him (rated B-minus by Brian).

“I'm so sorry that I didn't do my due diligence and I just took the gossip train and then made a video that got a lot of views and misrepresented you and your show”

QuoteBrian shows "bow video" of ex-girlfriend bowing 45 degrees and doing his laundry, cooking dinner after he came home at 1am from a podcast.

“this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend I came home it was late 1:00 a.m. after a podcast boom huge do you see the bow deep bow that was a 45 degree angle”

ControversyAndrew challenges Lily on the "unconditional parental love" debate — argues that cutting off contact for a child doing porn is not abandonment but maintaining behavioral standards. Goes in circles extensively.

“how about this what if I mean wait that makes wait wait a second that makes no sense so if it is the case they don't want you to do only fans”

QuoteKatrina's notable quote about body count: "if you give sex away for free you might as well get paid for it, ain't nothing worse than a broke ass hoe."

“if you give sex away for free you might as well get paid for it ain't nothing worse than a broke ass hoe in my opinion”

QuoteLily Phillips says her body count is between 500-1000 when asked.

“range what was it last time can't remember what I said last time cuz last time I I still didn't count last time um I'm going to go right now probably between 500 to 1,000”

QuoteAya reveals precise body count breakdown: ~109 unpaid, ~450 paid clients, total ~550.

“uh probably low 500s and 109 free wait 109 free like unpaid unpaid okay how many do you think paid or uh well I have a CRM”

ControversyAndrew challenges Aya and Candace on scientific methodology (controls, sample size) during body count/study discussion. Goes on for over 20 minutes before Brian cuts it.

“studies are all shit you haven't read my studies dude listen yes I have dove into your studies which is how I knew that teenagers were over sampled”

ControversyAndrew tells Candace to use a "sing-song voice" if she wants him to treat her with respect, sarcastically mocking her complaint about his tone being disrespectful. This pushes Candace to her limit.

“from now on when you talk to me I need you to use a sing song voice The singest sest Voice you can possibly think of because otherwise I feel disrespected”

OtherRAGE QUIT #1: Candace Horbach rage quits. Brian confirms "she rage quit." Andrew had pushed her too far with tone/condescension complaints. She said she was going to check on her husband, then left.

“I'm going to go check on her I'll be right back I okay that's fine uh all right she Rage Quit”

OtherRAGE QUIT #3: Becca Slider and others (Aya, possibly others) also leave at same time as Candace. Brian attempts to get Becca back, saying "is Becca coming back?"

“we we got we're wrapping up I'll you Candace we're Candace Candace I think we're done it's so pass for anyway”

OtherRAGE QUIT #2: Andrew Wilson voluntarily departs, citing 3am and the show being almost done. Acknowledges his presence was offensive, says his job is to challenge worldviews.

“I'll I can see that my presence has been very offensive it's 3 o'clock in the morning anyway that's my dip time yeah it was very very nice to meet all of you”

QuotePatrice O'Neal clip played: "If you didn't have a vagina, how would you keep your man?" Guests answer with mouth, hands, other holes, cooking. Brian plays the reveal where Patrice says "you just classified yourself as a series of holes."

“ladies if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right and the doctor was like we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die how how would you keep your man”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Background

All 9 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation, education. Includes Aya (researcher/escort from Idaho), Candace Horbach/Eva Lovia (adult film actress/podcaster), Lily Phillips (viral 101-man adult star), Becca Slider (ex-pastor/confidence coach), Carly (model/student), Katrina (bartender, Ottawa), Danielle (Ontario, addiction studies), Upgrade (singer-songwriter), Andrew Wilson (political analyst remote).

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares their relationship status, longest relationship, and context. Highlights: Aya (polyamorous 4yr open relationship), Candace (married 15 years, open during her career), Lily (single 3-4 years), Becca (divorced after 21 years, ethically non-monogamous), Carly (5mo single after 5yr relationship ended by cheating), Katrina (8mo relationship), Danielle (2yr relationship), Upgrade (2yr relationship with 41yo man).

Aya Pre-Show Notes: Homeschooling, Sex Work, Data & Polyamory

Brian goes through Aya's pre-show notes: evangelical Calvinist upbringing in Idaho, homeschooled, escaped factory work via adult content. Aya discusses her annual stats spreadsheet, shower frequency (37/year), LSD addiction, Lex Fridman interview, and polyamorous relationship. Debate over subordination of women morphs into semantic debate with Andrew.

Should Men Lead in Relationships? / Subordination Debate

Brian asks whether men should lead/be the "head" in relationships and who should get final say in a marriage impasse. Andrew frames it as a "threshold breaker" question. Most guests say it is circumstantial; Candace and Upgrade favor traditional male leadership. Aya goes full semantic on meaning of "should." Andrew clashes with Aya over philosophical definitions.

Eva Lovia / Candace Pre-Show Notes & OnlyFans Fraud Discussion

Candace discusses her career as Eva Lovia, her disclaimer on OnlyFans (entertainment only, no AI/chatters, to protect against delusional fans). Brian raises concerns about fraud by OnlyFans creators who use chatters/AI while claiming personal interaction. Aya reveals she tried a chatter and income skyrocketed but it made her sad. Discussion of body count stats and body count survey data from Aya's research.

Bear vs. Man Debate

Brian asks the classic "bear or man in the woods" question. Most guests pick bear. Andrew and Brian argue the position is logically equivalent to a racist position if applied to a demographic group, making it sexist. Upgrade says picking bear is sexist but may come from personal experience.

Becca Slider: Ex-Pastor to OnlyFans, "Pussy-Based Confidence"

Becca explains her journey from 10-year ordained evangelical pastor to confidence coach and OnlyFans creator. She discusses "pussy-based confidence" (sexual creative life force), Christian deconstruction, the role of fear in Christianity's foundations, bisexuality since age 16, swinging then open marriage, and her coaching philosophy. Andrew challenges her framework as a form of dogma/programming.

Katrina: Running a Prostitute, Drug World, Show Notes

Brian reads Katrina's pre-show notes: she has two moms, "ran" a prostitute friend (did makeup/calls/driving) as an attempt to help. Andrew debates the ethics of pimping vigorously with Katrina. Katrina describes discovering her "gangster" boyfriend having sex with a male friend (traumatizing experience). She says ain't nothing worse than a broke hoe.

Candace Apology & Bow to Brian

After Brian reveals Candace had made a video misrepresenting him (based on unverified secondhand Special Forces claim), Andrew pushes her to apologize. She eventually does, apologizing for not doing due diligence. Brian then asks her to bow — she does (rated B-minus). Discussion of the "bow video" Brian made of his ex-girlfriend.

Self-Rating Round (1-10, no 7)

Brian asks each guest to rate their own appearance 1-10 (cannot pick 7). Aya: 4.6; Candace: declined/no number; Lily: 8; Becca: 8; Carly: 6; Katrina: 8 (with makeup)/4 (without); Danielle: 6; Upgrade: 6; Andrew: 4-5. Andrew lectures about women lying about their self-assessments in social groups vs. men who call each other out. Long debate with Aya over semantics of "judging."

Lily Phillips Parenting / Sex Work & Unconditional Love Debate

Brian asks Lily whether she would have done OnlyFans if her parents gave an ultimatum. Debate spirals into Andrew challenging whether parents cutting off contact for sex work is "abandoning" the child (Lily's view) vs. maintaining behavioral standards (Andrew's view). Most guests feel unconditional parental love means maintaining contact. Andrew says love can coexist with behavioral standards.

AI Age Progression & Gender Swap Photos

Brian shows AI-generated aged versions of all guests (10+ years older) and gender-swapped versions. Comedic segment; Lily's aged version prompts "crypt keeper" jokes. Guests react to their gender-swapped versions and whether they would date/sleep with the male version of themselves.

Body Count Round & Discussion

Brian asks each guest their body count. Lily: 500-1000; Aya: ~550 (109 unpaid, ~450 paid); Candace: 9 personal + ~12-20 work scenes; Carly: 23-28; Danielle: 8; Katrina: under 35 (excluded coerced encounters); Upgrade: single digit; Andrew: did not give number. Discussion of whether body count matters (Lily: makes you better in bed; Becca: patterns matter more; Candace: 9 personal; most say circumstantial). Aya's survey data shows median ~5, raising to 10 by age 40. Andrew and Candace debate sample size and scientific controls.

All Day Foreplay / Viral Clip Discussion (Candace)

Candace describes her viral Twitter clip about "all-day foreplay" — the idea that women's arousal has more on/off switches (stressors = brakes), and that men following through on commitments reduces stress and improves intimacy. Andrew challenges this, arguing data shows women are most attracted to men who DON'T do chores (traditional masculine non-domestic behavior), that what she's really describing is feminist relationship dynamics. Extended debate about whether follow-through is masculine or if asking men to do chores is attraction-killing.

Rage Quit #1 — Candace & Others Leave

Andrew's confrontational tone throughout the show reaches a breaking point. Candace's husband texts. After hours of debate, Candace says "I'm going to go check on her [wife]" and leaves. Aya stays to wait for roast. Brian says "she rage quit." Carly, Becca and others also start to leave. Brian pleads for them to stay.

Andrew Wilson Rage Quit / Departure

Andrew acknowledges his presence has been offensive and says "it's 3 o'clock in the morning anyway, that's my dip time." Insists he wasn't trying to insult anyone — his job is to challenge worldviews. Lily tells him they're not getting into this anymore. Andrew says goodnight and leaves.

Roast Session

Final roast session with remaining guests (Carly, Lily, Katrina, Danielle, Upgrade). $30 TTS messages come in roasting all guests. Highlights: "Lily Phillips father" donates for her chair; OJ Simpson character asks Carly about a skin tag; Thor says "make low body count great again." Brian offers Lily $20/hour to stop sex work. Patrice O'Neal clip played about "how would you keep your man if you had a train accident."

Makeup Removal Challenge

Brian brings out makeup wipes (Neutrogena brand, debated). Carly and others try to remove makeup on camera. Light segment after emotional episode.

Transcript

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Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)accidentally I've had it open on like a laptop and it was open for days and that was mortifying yeah all right I'll I'll take your word for it um but it is the case that a lot of these women who are

Brian Atlason only fans are uh employing like a typer a chatter and having somebody uh communicate like through proxy or on their behalf um and I think my trouble with this is if

Brian Atlasyou're upfront with this I suppose that's fine but if you're making representations in many women will actually write you're talking to me you're not talking to a manager you're not talk like you're talking to me I'm sending the message I mean this would be

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)a form of fraud um that I think uh I mean I don't know if it's criminal fraud but no it's definitely not criminal but you're you're also could be well we'll we'll

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)see you'd have to find a laot but um they're engaging the Persona as well you know what I mean so I wait are you defending the use of like typers where you've otherwise say where you like represented that you haven't no no no

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)I'm saying um like if you're going there because you're trying to establish like a real relationship you're in the wrong place so that's kind of that disclaimer because that can get physically dangerous too um stalkers yeah exactly

Brian Atlasand that happens really often so I think it's important to know like this is this is all Pretend We're engaging and pretend together yeah no I just bring it up because that's one of my uh I mean the nude photos and stuff like people

Brian Atlashave like moral objections to like pornography nude photos I mean that's not really a super strong position I tend to argue my biggest position when it comes to like only fans is these women are just straight up

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)misrepresenting and like engaging and fraudulent conduct yeah I don't agree with that either and I've seen a lot of people that will pretend to fall in love or just send me this right and that's a really D dangerous game to play and that's not fair to the guy either yeah

Brian Atlasyeah how how do you feel about fake orgasms fake orgasms I I don't think people should do it in relationships I think uh you should communicate openly with your partner if there's things that they can improve on so you can climax but I meant

Brian Atlaslike I guess in porn or only fans oh in porn and only fans yeah like if somebody like fakes an orgasm isn't that just the industry like the women just fake their organisms I sure okay sure yeah I guess I don't know maybe there's a spectrum maybe you could

Ayadesign a spectrum of like the kinds of things where fraud is bad or not um I also don't mean this as a gotcha I'm just like genuinely well I mean but like what about actresses in films where there's a sex scene they gu like implied knowledge like implied like if

Brian Atlassomebody's siging up for expect I If a woman fakes an orgasm in like a pornographic film I don't think I mean you know like the pizza guy knocks on the door I mean that's also not he's not

Brian Atlasactually a pizza guy and she's not actually in her her house and it's I mean it's it's Cinema MH right so I I don't really have objections if a woman

Brian Atlasfakes an orgasm for porn it like in porn I was thinking of it from the lens of like a relationship but that's not what you're talking about but uh but what I'm

Brian Atlasspeaking about is like let's say a woman makes an affirmative claim like I you're talking to me and like in so doing she's like inducing these men oh I'm actually

Brian Atlastalking to her not some like Filipino man in the Philippines being paid $10 a day to like type type type type you know whatever um and so if like she's charging people for the the conversations or whatever charging for

Brian Atlasthe chats um and you're like if if a company says hey you can talk to ex celebrity and somebody pays knowing that they're like actually oh I'm actually

Brian Atlastalking to I don't know if this is actually service like uh I don't know what if like you guys know Cameo that app where like celebrity that's on video so they obviously can't fake that but

Brian Atlaslet's say there's like a voice thing or whatever and like they you can buy a voice recording from your favorite celebrity but then you find out that they hired a like a impersonator who

Brian Atlasdoes like a really good impersonation of the celebrity I think that would be like that that would meet the definition of civil fraud yeah and I I I mean you might think oh well buyer beware like you should know better blah blah blah

Brian Atlasbut I do think like if you're making a representation whether you're in um you have a a company and you're selling like nutritional products to people or your sex worker I think like you should try

Brian Atlasto make uh you should try to make like truthful statements that are not like misrepresenting and are not fraudulent as in an effort to induce somebody to like purchasing your product yeah I I definitely strongly sympathize with this

AyaI generally like think lying is pretty bad um it's unclear to me the degree to which men know that what they're doing when they're signing up for only fans um like as an example like I run my main only fans and then for a while I decided

Ayato hire to try experiment with hiring a chatter on my free only fans um and the chatter was terrible they weren't like me at all they they typed like all caps XOXO BB my P you know whatever is so

Ayahorny for you it was like really atrocious had nothing to do with me and my income just skyrocketed based off of that I was like oh these guys like have actually no understanding of who I am as a person and like no desire to actually

Ayaengage with me as a person and that sort of like made me pretty sad about the whole thing cuz I kind of thought that men cared more than they do but it's possible that maybe I'm just actually filtering for the wrong kind of man when I'm doing that so I don't know

Brian Atlasyeah anyways um getting back to your notes Katarina you said that I'm sorry it's Katrina I've told you Katrina Katrina you oh okay sorry sorry yeah uh

Brian Atlasyou said long story short you have two moms yeah um you've you said you ran girls in drugs

Katrinayeah random what do you mean ran girls you were a pimp for a little while I was helping out a friend and did her makeup got her calls and you know like it was

Katrinareally hard to watch I wanted to help her and she um and she just could lied said that she could do it without do you know being using all

Katrinathe time and um and she couldn't and so it kind of was a backfire on me um when I say that

Katrinalike sorry I wasn't expecting you to read my stuff out loud but like I the pre-show notes that's all good um but yeah you asked me like some other

Katrinaquestions afterwards that I thought would be more but like that was kind of personal things I just wanted to like let you know a little bit of who I was um I didn't expect to be put on blast for that but that's okay it's okay you

Brian Atlaswrote it I'm not putting you on blast I'm just when you say you I know I thought you were going to use the questions that you asked me oh I have those too but you included this I included that when I just like letting

Katrinayou letting you know personally like why like who I was um and why I thought that I would have yeah and you know I wouldn't say it was a PMP or anything

Katrinalike that I just what does running girl ran girls what does that mean like got them like took their like got them calls and uh took them to their spot did their makeup you know made them were the the

Katrinawomen that you were running just one girl so I well you said girls plural you said I know I said there was there was only one girl yeah okay you said girls but um but I just like saw was she a

Katrinaprostitute yes okay and when you say you ran a prostitute you were the p i she I just did her favors and she paid me for

Brian Atlasit you know but you would would you stay there while she was meeting with client and did the did the client ever not

Katrinapay no okay what what would happen if a c didn't pay would you like go in and I mean conversation with

Katrinathem I mean like I'm not I'm saying that like I had an experience where I was involved with trying to help a girl get out of a bad situation and she said she

Katrinawould partner with me to get you know onto a better place and it didn't work out and it she trying to get out of a bad situation by prostituting herself

Katrinawell I mean like I'm pretty like uh what do you call it I'm pretty AUST to the game so like I see what do you mean accustomed to the game

Brian Atlaslike I grew up like you know were you yourself a prostitute no never so how what do you mean when you accustomed to the game just like and what is the game I'm very white so I

Brian Atlasdon't know what the game is the game is just like the um the the under just the like the underworld of like all of well you did say drugs too right right when you say running drugs

Katrinawhat does that what does that mean like dealing drug like selling not like that like knowing the dudes that do and being involved with them and stuff like that

Katrinalike and I've like you know seen just the bad side of that type of World um

Katrinaand like having pity for um these women that are and like how women that are you know think that that's the only way and I know some girls who can do it like

Katrinasober and like they're vivacious and they can do that but like most of the girls that I know are all messed up on drugs and it's uh and they do it for

Katrinasurvival and um it's it's not like it's not like in Amsterdam or other countries like it's uh regulated you know like

Brian Atlashere it's just like so what drugs were you running what do you mean marijuana was it drugs

Brian Atlasmarijuana I'm just you wrote it I'm just asking about your own disclosure here um okay you said you're okay I'm not going

Brian Atlasto go into that a little little uh dark but uh okay you said you don't do o you never got paid for

Brian Atlassex um 100% no cosmetic surgery you uh you say you don't hate everything that we say but some things are really hot yeah it's hot topics for sure anything

Katrinalike in particular or um probably just like the way that you try to make

Katrinalike sorry I just don't think you guys have the tenderness uh when it comes to what women go through and how they got to where they are most of the time that's true I mean I actually have to

Andrew Wilsonkind of concede this point to you I am not in fact tender enough to drive women to meet with Johns who are then going to [ __ ] them I'm going to lead that kind of

Andrew Wilsonsort of tenderness up to women like you like I said um I was just trying to help and I learned a lesson yeah I mean I just I guess I just

Katrinawould never be tender enough to be that helpful I think that my um disclosures um had good intentions and

Katrinamy intentions are pure whether you want to believe so or not yeah well then I could just say that too right my intentions are pure what makes them impure other than you don't think they are but I can tell you this I have never

Andrew Wilsondri driven a woman to try to get her out of trouble to go have a penis put inside of her for money I've never done hang on I've never done that but I feel I feel like that's the least tender thing I

Andrew Wilsoncould ever do with a woman what I do instead is I uh I'll argue their worldview and I'll argue their belief and I'll treat them as though they should be heard and their belief should

Andrew Wilsonbe contended with now that seems to be horrible in modernity because men for some reason uh well not not men but women for some reason think that if they're in any way ever questioned and that their view is not completely

Andrew Wilsonconceited to and their asses kissed that you're an evildoer of Nefarious character for some reason but I got to tell you I think that the most respectful thing I could do is take what they're actually saying seriously and

Andrew Wilsonthen contend with what they're actually saying now if I end up destroying their arguments because they're [ __ ] stupid uh that's on them but that has nothing to do with us treating women poorly or

Andrew Wilsonwithout tenderness it's us treating them like people I think that it's the most untendered thing I've ever heard to be like hey oh really uh you know you're in a bad situation H Let's uh let's show up at a guy whose appointment I booked for

Katrinayou he'll [ __ ] you and give you some money that doesn't sound very [ __ ] tender to me I got to tell you that's fair um like I said um it was an

Katrinaexperience that taught me a lot and I Grew From it and I've like wish that you know there could be some other kinds of ways to be able to protect these girls

Katrinaand I'm not going to say it's me cuz I'm just a woman right um but like at least like in Canada um it doesn't have anything to do with you being a woman but

Andrew Wilsonacting yeah acting in the social role of the pimp probably isn't the best way to protect women as in fact I would argue it's perhaps one of the worst ways possible to protect women for all the

Katrinaprogram which that's the whole reason why they pay them in Pay pimps in the first place though right is because for protection cuz like of what can happen yeah but what kind of parasite would allow that like how you be so

Andrew Wilsonparasitical that you would actually allow strangers to [ __ ] a woman while you took a percentage of it and then say it's on her behalf I mean yeah go to me

Andrew Wilsonpimp is so parasitical a literal parasite on society almost as bad as a prostitute herself and so I was like

Andrew Wilsonwell from my view what you're talking about is is unadulterated evil from my view I think that I think you don't really understand what's really going on

Katrinain the world here because we're just like there's nothing if there's like a market then like who's paying it's the men that are paying you think it's it's really funny

Andrew Wilsonto me when when we talk about supply and demand right we could we could make a market out of anything couldn't we we could make a market out of uh murder we could make a market out of theft we could I mean there could be all sorts of

Andrew Wilsondemand for theft right and all sorts of suppliers then for theft but that wouldn't make it right it would make it just would make it moral right so the thing is is like you could have thieving

Andrew Wilsongangs and there's a an endless amount of people who want to engage in this activity right and tons of supply for the uh people who want the stolen goods things like this it doesn't mean that

Andrew Wilsonit's right or it's righteous or it's in any way good so the thing is is like when I hear this when I hear this idea of well you know there's a supply and a demand issue yeah that's true but what

Andrew Wilsondo you think is easier to control the few thousand suppliers or the millions of consumers I would say it's far easier to control the suppliers than it is the the consumers

Katrinaright sure like what I what I don't think that you're understanding from what I'm saying is that like we're all just

Katrinatrying to survive out here and when you learn lessons along the way um you can either choose to like continue with the bad or you can you know try to be more

Katrinarighteous um I don't think that what I did was right I just was in the moment I thought that I was doing the right thing yeah I understand final thought Andrew

Andrew Wilsonyou have an intention to do what is good but that doesn't mean it is though I'm and I'm not even beating you up about these decisions what I'm saying is that

Andrew Wilsonmake a later justification that I did these bad things based on hardship right because because things were hard it's like you know you should read Essie hinton's Outsiders is a great line in it

Andrew Wilsonit was written by a woman in fact uh when she was 16 things are rough all over py boy right and what she's saying in this uh novel is it doesn't matter if you're the Southside so it doesn't matter if you're a greaser things are

Andrew Wilsonrough all over you don't get to make immoral actions because things are really hard everybody has hardship so that that's that's all I'm saying all right we need to uh get through a couple chats this one came in

Brian Atlasa while ago Alex I do want to apologize for the delay here for getting this pulled up it came in like two hours ago I apologize man uh these have been batching up for a while looking for five more molten core molten core full run

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Brian Atlasthank you thank you and then we have Jason here oh boy oh great Jason the fact that none of the women on the panel found Andrew's joke about being autistic funny is refutable proof that women are not funny I know this because I just did

Brian Atlasa survey all right thank you Jason appreciate it man thank you uh we have chair three Jason says it sounds like you have horrible parents oh wait it

Brian Atlashasn't even come up yet and I'm already starting reading uh okay well uh sounds like you have horrible parents maybe that is why you are the way you are damn what the [ __ ] Jason do you want to respond to that are my parents are the

Brian Atlasbest are they're lovely people I met them just kidding I didn't meet them they're they're the best parents ever and they they give be the best childhood ever yeah all right uh we have Michael Jones here new rule don't respect the

Brian Atlasopinion of someone whose body count is higher than their IQ chair three is speedr running her way to an unfulfilled life based Andrew based Brian Jesus is Lord You're speed

Brian Atlasrunning okay uh do you want to respond anybody want to respond to Michael Jones G on I love when people tell me how I should feel all right thank you Michael uh

Brian Atlaschair 4 if your daughter told you she wanted to do do o you as her mother should stop her at all cost the fact that you would support her makes you horri mother you shouldn't be able you shouldn't be a mother do you want to

Becca Sliderrespond to that damn Jason you're entitled to your shitty opinion yeah do you want to answer just his question though like uh um what's the question well I forgot um did I already ask this

Unknownyou did ask like if your daughter wanted to do OS wanted to and you supported that would that make you a horrible mother is his question centi it doesn't make you a horrible mother I don't no I am an excellent mother would you be fine

Brian Atlaswith her starring an O absolutely she's an adult okay all right right um that's that's a take uh Jason Cassell correction the fact that none of the women on the panel found Andrew's joke

Brian Atlasabout being autistic funny is irrefutable he just read that one no he sent in a correction proof that women are not fun yeah it just took me so long to get it he sent Jason sorry for the

Brian Atlasdelay man um sorry for the delay um proof that women are not funny I know this because I just did a survey I think women are funny they crack me up all the

Brian Atlastime on the show all right never mind good talk um crowd tough crowd tough crowd Brian make a

Brian Atlasvagina joke they'll laugh do it uh do I I'm actually thinking if I have a vagina joke probably not mentioned vagina joke already laughing already

Brian Atlashilarious all right uh let's see here oh we I got to do a couple shout outs here really quick um let's do oh man we got we got I'm trying to move this quick guys uh guys venmo cash app whatever pod

Brian Atlasif you want 100% of your contribution to go to the podcast we do have uh Colin thank you for the 50 Joshua Burton thank you for the 10 thank you so much uh you

Brian Atlassent that via cash app and then uh we have Eric I think your husband can I say his last name or I mean yeah the same

Brian Atlaslast name Eric hor it's horbach Tech yeah horbach okay uh $20 imagine debating the gossip column and

Brian Atlascelebrating your win scared cat face that's basic the show hold hold on Eric you know what how listen I know it's been a little contentious tonight I was

Andrew Wilsontrying to be nice okay you it started off great I was yeah that was nice yeah you were no you were wrong what's wrong with debating the gossip column if the

Brian Atlasgossip is about you yeah Fair um we should have I don't if you're down you want to have you and your

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)husband like a come on the show oh chill Lily get your mind out of the gutter taking things um you want to have you your husband and then we'll just have I

Unknownyeah yeah for him I'm going to DM you back on cash app or whatever you said that to um we'll get him on but wait Ryan then that would destroy the narrative that you only have a women on the show no I think it would be really interesting though because like I think

Brian Atlassome of the narrative when it comes to like women who are involved in like sex work is it like it's going to have like really negative impacts on your relationships like here you are granted you met him before you started but like

Brian Atlashere you are you've been married you have kids um from the sound of it I mean you guys have been together a really long time maybe there's like a little bit of issues early on but like you guys are

Brian Atlastogether um handsome guy by the way yeah oh God yeah sorry that now G um not helping your case no he seems like a good guy he seems like a good guy I think it'd be an

Brian Atlasinteresting conversation to have if you want to run it by him um that could be cool um because like I said we here you are I guess defying I don't know if you would consider defying the odds but a lot of I think it's the

Brian Atlascase that maybe maybe not a lot but a lot of women in the industry sometimes struggle when it comes to dating especially like maybe while while they're in it but even afterwards they they can struggle a little bit but I don't I I think that's a fair point M um

Brian Atlasso that could be an interesting conversation also Andrew wants to have a 1 V one with Aya and uh Candice Well for what not a shoot not a shoot he

Ayawants to have like a debate if you're down I do not like his debate Norms because I don't trust him to be truth finding seems more like [ __ ] uh but I'm down for truth finding

Andrew Wilsonoh really yeah okay just give be a descriptor for what truth is then is truth subjective or objective that's a great example yeah that great example of what

Ayaof your debate norms yeah of us clarifying debate Norms yeah I I think I'm mostly interested in finding out what's going on uh instead of like trying to do public battle I

Andrew Wilsonthink you relate to debate as public battle um which makes sense to do sometimes depends I don't think I really have that if you're looking for just pure fact finding or fact versus fact I'm happy to do those twoo you can do what's called a formal or time debate

Andrew Wilsonwhere you can match facts against facts they just think your facts are wrong and I can demonstrate that via debate if you prefer a less adversarial form of debate we would do a formal which would be you could put your facts up and then I could

Ayadebunk them all I would like to know if I'm wrong I would hope that You' like to know if you're wrong and then maybe we can like help each other figure out I'm never wrong I'm a man what's wrong with you

Andrew Wilsonnever wrong never wrong sorry sir wrong I'm wrong all the time but in this case you're you're empirical data is really not good and I I would enjoy actually doing a debate on the empirical data

Brian Atlasthat you put out as though it's uh it's actually good data it's not good data well we can have further conversations and see if that can be arranged but uh couple things did you ever hear back

Brian Atlasfrom Special Forces I'm working on it I got a couple responses I had a oh my goodness how many people are slandering me godam a lot do go on the internet do

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)your due diligence um any responses though special forces guy any so now yeah now it's going around in circles so do you mean going around in circles like

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)I'm I'm not getting a solid answer so what do you mean not a solid answer not a solid answer so can you tell me the name of the person that made this claim right and then he yeah and then he said a name and I was like well is that the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)person that showed up or you got the information like is this now like 3° away sister instead of like what you said which was one degree away and then that's what sudden when we do our due

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)diligence look at what happens with due diligence the whole makes no sense Andrew don't punish behavior that you want repeated I'm openly trying to see if I'm wrong and

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)willing and willing to admit that and concede and apologize so I don't need to be like it rubbed in I we've been we've been high on the concession but short on the apology cuz I'm trying to get answers you're the one that's like

Andrew Wilsonthat's harping on due diligence I'm trying to get details how much more verification do you need then Brian says not only hang on hang on Brian says not only is this factually untr but on top of it being factually untrue you

Andrew Wilsonactually don't have a leg to stand on to even make the claim it's secondhand information you say I'll verify the claim and then you go well they kind of giving me the run around it's like it just seems like it's a concession

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)without the portion that matters which is the accountability of Poli I was asking clarifying questions cuz he said a name and I don't I'm not going to throw the wrong name under the bus so that's what I was saying is they he I

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)got one name and I said did this person is he the one making the claim that he got rejected or are you saying you got the story from him cuz I'm not going to say oh Bob is the one that came here and you're like it's the guy who killed

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)Osama right is it that guy right yeah exactly no I'll on the I don't want to throw the wrong person ladies would you date the guy who killed Osama Bin Laden no it wasn't him it wasn't

Andrew Wilsonhim no no it was it was not him Li sorry that was a get your mind out of the gutter damn Lily tell you what I tell you what how about maybe we can make a bargain so we can just move past this

Andrew Wilsonright that'd be great if you if you are to apologize to Brian right hang on apologize to him for the obvious slander which was here without you doing your due diligence but it turns out you are

Andrew Wilsonactually right okay you're actually correct then I will apologize to you and you won't even have to ask I'll just I'll literally just put out a public apology how's that for fair I want to

Brian Atlasadd Andrew has never apologized to a woman ever in the history of that's how absolutely sure I am you will get his

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)first you will take his apology to a woman virginity yeah it's not something that I want it's not something that I want you want trust

Brian Atlasme you could put this [ __ ] on your resume so even then even then with this you still apologize actually wait should should we get the do you want to do the bow are you going to do the bow or I'll do the can we play

Andrew Wilsonthe bow video really quick I feel like it's important at this point yeah but the apologies actually I feel like uh like 10 tenfold uh more painful right because um she

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)just clearly does not want to apologize that's not all doesn't want to no that's not at all you're absolutely putting words in my mouth I again I didn't want to throw the wrong name under and say oh

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)that was the person that came Brian huh I I so sorry that I didn't do my due diligence and I just took the gossip train and then made a video that got a

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)lot of views and misrepresented they got a lot of views they got a lot of views what the that misrepresented you and your show and I should have contacted

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)you before making such a claim because that is my responsibility how manys forg you upload and I'm so sorry Andrew that

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)my Indian editor put your name in there in the title let's not bring Indians into this and because I didn't know that was going to happen is he Native American or like no like no like Indian

Brian Atlasfrom India got a guy in Mexico the guy who put my name in the title for yo my my editor is a Mexican so I'll get you I'll get you a Mexican editor

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)they're the best what's up Christian but next time I will reach out to the other person to get the other side and I am I actually am sorry trust but verify I

Brian Atlasaccept your apology on condition that you hit a bow pull up pull up Damen pull that up this is so this is a little background this is a video I took of my

Brian Atlasex-girlfriend I came home it was late 1:00 a.m. after a podcast and this uh this is my ex-girlfriend I well we just okay just play the C it's

Brian Atlasyeah boom huge do you see the bow deep bow that was a 45 degree angle okay M and then you know did you just kick her your socks shoes my my shoes and then

Brian Atlasyou know she's doing my laundry I you know I'm hungry after the show voracious appetite so she made me some she gets my beer too she open it up she's the dinner's ready I had just scold her

Brian Atlasabout those tomatoes that are just Tomatoes but stirring the noodles and um yeah play the bow one more time play the bow one more time let's just see the

Brian Atlasbow boom huge bow yeah she did all that and you still broke up with with her I yes I dumped her I dumped her um because one time she didn't bow oh my God got

Brian Atlasthat's a high bar it's a really high don't slip up I have high standards okay very I'm high maintenance very high maintenance so I think it's it would be appropriate for a little a little bow if

Brian Atlasyou want to just a little stand up in fact every woman that if you also want to hit a bow I will accept bow okay okay are you taking it in you have to look at you want me to look you in the eyes look you deep in the eyes while you bow to me

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)this is in are you going to hold the eye contact this is a really bful I go down right that's going be hold on you're married okay calm down uh is it is this

Brian Atlaslike uh like the Karate Kid like eyes always look

TTS/Donationseyes the karate kit from the 80s though not the re reboot okay I'm ready I'm okay that was good thank you thank you

Brian Atlasit was okay okay I give it a B minus but okay I'll take a B minus it passes it's still it's still a pass all right what's up Eric you should hey you should B you

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)know what you go home drop hit a bow to Eric M I think I think you'll do just apologize to all men honestly every day yeah every day you didn't even do anything wrong like on behalf of women

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)Eric I'm sorry I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I know I did something or I'm going to do something so I'll just as a pro prophylactic really there you go there you go also props admitting error is

Brian Atlassuper cool and often hard to do so thanks yeah think that's neat okay so uh we have Aman Yaman old chick in the red dress is the unfortunate example of damn

Brian Atlasbro you guys are mean come on man uh example of protestantism's tendency towards generating delusional weirdos do you want to respond oh it doesn't deserve a response I mean there's a

Brian Atlascouple different women in red it was it was me I'm 43 I'm the old chick okay yeah do you want no I don't

Brian Atlascare oh okay all right well uh aan thank you for the Super Chat do appreciate it uh guys if you want you can get a read in at 100 TTS 200 and then you can also drop uh a not they they don't take a cut

Brian AtlasVeno cash app whatever pod uh let's just do go to Stiffler here Stiffler ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you cannot pick seven rate your own looks scale of 1 to 10

Brian Atlasstarting with Aya 4.6 4.6 is there anything past the six Like A 333 like repeating of course no I mean probably but I don't know the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)number you don't okay what uh C uh Candace what about you oh my gosh I don't want to participate in this game there's no winning game there's no winning this answer there is definitely winning you can win you can win candas

Andrew Wilsonuh you got to give us something I'm not participating throw out a number so would that then CU if it's too L say I'm a three that that means I lost the

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)game wait what was the question correct I say I'm a three that means I lost the game M yeah I guess is that what that would

Andrew Wilsonmean who did I lose too I guess you're breaking the rule she's losing to the whatever podcast yeah yeah I mean the so th this uh I

Andrew Wilsonthink does require a little bit of clarification so I think that a lot of the people who beat up on the whatever podcast about this question I think it's kind of silly so the idea is just would

Brian Atlasyou just try to judge delusion right so you would probably say beauty subjective this type of thing I'm I have to do this I'll let you get right back to it okay yeah yeah I need to get the other

Becca Slideranswers before we get into it what about you comp big seven I'll go six okay what about you I'm giving myself an eight especially Cons considering a

Carly43 go ahead girl okay I and you can't pick seven yeah I'll go six okay what

Katrinawith or without makeup just give a how about with and without he's going to bring out the baby wipes soon yeah care I'll take it off um I don't know tonight I'm feeling

Katrinamyself so I'll give myself an eight that's with makeup yeah and then without makeup like a four okay what

Upgradeabout you uh I'll say six my sister's a 10 okay what about you um we we can't back seven so I guess eight okay I give

Andrew Wilsonmyself a five Andrew what about you uh well I mean there's actually some pretty good honesty on this panel I think uh so I'll actually give you the actual rating I would give myself about

Brian Atlasa four maybe a five yeah Andrew didn't mean to cut you off there Andrew didn't mean to cut you off there I just wanted to get the answers from the rest of the panel before we well this is this is

Andrew Wilsonsomething you see from feminists often they they want to be very hypercritical of the idea of the rating right and they're like well it's nebulous it's a it's like ah not really I think people

Andrew Wilsonunderstand it pretty well what you're asking is is the self uh you know the self obsess or how how do I phrase this right the self assessment is the self

Andrew Wilsonassessment mapping onto reality or isn't it right so when you say did a survey on this specifically that's to see how delusional people are calm down calm down with your surveys I know I know but calm but I know how how delusional

Andrew Wilsonpeople are yeah yeah they are they are I mean it's true right thing is is like they often actually will lie and know that they're lying if there's a social

Andrew Wilsongroup around them which reinforces that lie right so if there's no judgment going towards them from the people around them they'll actually lie often on purpose because it's reinforced now

Andrew Wilsonthis is notoriously true of women in a room but not notoriously true of men they tend to not really do that because the man next to them will be like what the [ __ ] are you talking about you're fat or the man next to him will be like what the [ __ ] are you talking about dude

Andrew Wilsonyou got half your face is missing or what are you talking about your teeth are jacked up right they'll instantly look at each other and just beat the holy hell out of each other be like dude you're full of [ __ ] and it's obvious you're full of [ __ ] but for women they

Andrew Wilsondon't actually do that they'll actually reinforce things they don't believe themselves so uh for instance let me ask a question to the entire panel just to kind of demonstrate this have any of you

Andrew Wilsonwomen uh do you agree that when women are around each other they judge each other all the time nonstop that this happens constantly that women will judge

Andrew Wilsoneach other on looks on outfits on all sorts of different things on which eyelashes are better which makeup is better they don't say it out loud but you're just judging it in your head do

Andrew Wilsonyou agree that women do this do you not do that with everybody yeah men and women do that I'm not saying that men and women don't do it I back the question you agree that women do do this

Andrew Wilsonin a form of comparison just like anyone else yeah okay great so can we agree then by a show of hands that women do that do women judge constantly

Katrinaconstantly I don't know about constantly practice not being judgmental it's really hard to do but you know it's a it's a okay well let me ask you different way raise your hand if you've

Andrew Wilsonever sat at a table with women and judge them definitely raise your hand okay so that that's everybody here right now raise your hand if you sat down at this

Andrew Wilsontable and judged any other women and judged the women one person it depends on what you mean by judge I know the judge the Judgment sounds judging their looks their looks is what I mean you judge their I think Concept in your head

Andrew Wilsonanyway so real quick I'll ask again now that you know what judgment means in this Contex no I don't oh you don't okay so I I just want to clarify legitimately judging whether or not their makeup looks good or doesn't look good or if they should have worn a different outfit

Becca Slideror should have worn I you're making a judgment of beauty standards no for me it would not be judgment it would be more comparison it would not be oh they should have worn this Jud no there's yes it is you're

Becca Slidercorrect comparison is a form of judgment but what you're talking about is much more harsh of like ew oh like versus like oh did they they look nicer than

Andrew WilsonI so there's sure sure yeah that's all I'm saying there is some Nuance to what you're saying say that you think okay well then let me ask at that raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought that there was a woman

Andrew Wilsonat the table who looked better than you okay great raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought there was another woman there who looked worse than

Andrew Wilsonyou so wait a second so then how come it was when I asked if you sat down and judge the other women at the table none of you showed your [ __ ] hands but you judge a trillion thoughts a day it's not

AyaI mean it's that simple every single time right no it's not like judge means a couple things sometimes there's like a sensation of disdain no listen sometimes there's a sensation of disdain and this is what people refer to when they say

Ayathe word judge uh and sometimes it means like s sort of evaluation like you're checking your position in the hierarchy and definitely the latter but not the former and I just didn't know which one you were talking about as well sometimes I have you seem a lot less confused now

Becca Sliderwhy is there a woman thing though anyway men do constantly too so I guess I'm a little confused as to why this is a a female thing it's not not what's your point then who who do you think is your looks match hang on hang on chill out let me answer one question at a time

Andrew Wilsoncalm down so I'll answer hers first and I'll move to yours so the I asked this question right raise your hand if you judge women so like well okay what do you mean by judgment I clarified that

Andrew Wilsonand he said well not all the time so then I asked this follow-up question I ask you well um raise your hand if you judge the woman at the table you say none of you raise your hand then I say

Andrew Wilsonwell rais your hand if you sat on the table and thought that another woman who was there was more attractive than you and you all raised your hand therefore all of you were admitting you made a judgment so you all [ __ ] lied every one of you I also logic stream isn't

Ayavery good also on the way here I had a thought to I think it's fine I think it's pretty good it's not though it really isn't would you like me to explain how it's not I can't wait to hear it okay well basically you said the word judge and then it was kind of

Andrew Wilsonunclear what you meant and then I would have raised your hand if you had said the thing that you meant uh but you didn't and then that's that's pure cope so I did I did actually reiterate what I meant and I said I was judging based on beauty standards if you're making your

Andrew Wilsonassessment about beauty standards which you then later admitted you veryy is is what you're what you're doing what you're doing now is an even lower tier form of pedantry because you can rewind the tape and see that I specifically

Andrew Wilsonwith you hang on with you specifically clarified exactly what I meant the rest of the panel heard it and then that's when I asked the followup question not clar confused you said words that were

Andrew Wilsonnot but I was so hyp specific you were not the followup question everybody knew what I meant including you yeah the followup question was a great specificity I really like the follow

Ayathat's when we found out the two things didn't we if you would like to say that checking yourself in the hierarchy is Judgment I'm very happy to agree that I judge people I'm not like I'm not fighting over the word I just really wanted to understand what she meant yeah

Andrew WilsonI don't think you were confused about what I meant I was I am reporting that very honestly we were further further able to demonstrate that by me verifying and then the second that I did the question the same exact way as every other woman on the panel it doesn't seem

Ayalike you I think you being dishonest in the way that you are arguing I I'm very happy to admit your point but it feels like you sort of want to act like I'm being trapped in some sort of like verbal Corner which I don't think is

Andrew Wilsonreally what's happening uh but I'm happy to say that I judge things according to your definition in my world though we what we call that is cope and welcome to cope because what you're doing you're coping it's okay for you to cope so

Andrew Wilsonlisten it's all right for you to cope it's okay yeah you got you it's true I logically navigated you through this I know it's difficult for you to admit right but it it is the case what I'm

Andrew Wilsonshowing is that I'm demonstrating that all of you [ __ ] lie to me and and I don't even blame you right I understand the reason if we expand our definition of lying then sure there's a reason

Andrew Wilsonthere's a reason why all of you did that and I did the reason is is because it's very easy for women in Social Circles if one woman lives and the rest of them reinforce the lie for them to continue

Andrew Wilsonwith the LIE men seem to be more more commonly women seem or men seem to call out when men are telling lies right they go no no no that's [ __ ] [ __ ] what like men would be laughing at each other if like let's say A man was sitting in

Andrew Wilsonchair one which a panel them in and the man was like oh I'm a 10 the other dud here would be like what the [ __ ] are you talking they would start ribbing him immediately doesn't work the same way with women that's why the answers are so

Ayaare so bizarre from our view we're like what the [ __ ] are they talking I agree that women are significantly more like responsive to social pressure and much more likely to lie to each other about their their appearance I think this is true it's like kind of weird because

Ayalike your end goal is something that I don't actually think is that off it's just want to argue with me to argue I get it uh I don't think I really like arguing for arguing sake well I mean that's arguing for

Ayaargument sake are you do you know what you're saying or do you are you like an argument llm what's an llm uh large language

Ayamodel what's a large language model uh a large language model is a like a predictive text algorithm like trained on specific stuff uh I would like to give you props to asking I think some people would sort

Ayaof Disguise when they don't know things um but I think that was like a high integrity do I always want to know exactly what I'm talking about before I talk about it which just proves your your prev I would like to say that I would like to admit when you are good at

Andrew Wilsonthings and then also say when I think that you are bad and I think that was a good move and I'm trying to be consistent according to my principles great and consistently I'm really good at what I do and this has been proven now to you multiple times you got caught

Ayain the Trap the same way everybody else did for the same reason everybody else did I did not CU you lied and so because you lied you got caught in the same trap that's the way it works you have an interesting definition of lying but if

Ayawe given your definition of lying then sure we can say that what do you think my definition of lying is you haven't even asked uh wa okay could I ask what is your definition of lying why did you make the claim about whether or not I was lying with I had an assumption about

Andrew Wilsonnot even asking for it before you said that I was uh that was probably an error uh could you tell me what you mean by lying probably was what's that could you tell me what

Ayayou mean by lying yeah sure whatever your definition is we'll go with that uh my definition is like knowing like having a belief and then saying something contrary to that

Andrew Wilsonbelief oh perfect inally ring uh that it does not describe Des my internal State yeah no I think it externally did because what happened was you got clarification on a question after you

Andrew Wilsongot the clarification on the question you answered the exact same way that everybody else did because previously you were asking question that everybody understood including you you gave a different answer I did not understand it you were doing something inconsistent

Ayawith your internal State I I was not doing anything into I got clarification on a question and then updated my answer that seems like pretty good Norms to me pretty good communication I mean to me and most regular people

Brian Atlasthey would just call that a lie but okay fair enough all right I have two chats coming in here we have Jason Cassel chair 4 so you would be okay with your daughter selling herself so a bunch of Deens can get off do you even realize how horrible that is and why that makes

Becca Slideryou a horrible mother be a better mother you're quick do you want to respond uh no I have no response into into the mic if you can but no I have no response I don't feel the need to

Brian Atlasvalidate my motherhood to anyone okay all right uh thank you uh Jason we have Lucas here the talking point that Andrew only beats up on Meek

Brian Atlaswomen's patently false he debated sank uger on Piers Morgan Infamous atheist Matt dillah Hunty Dave Smith Destiny etc etc etc yeah we already established I

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)did the bow and everything and again I didn't know about your other show until um you did we all did the circle intros so again I apologized oh yeah it's all good thank you Lucas do appreciate the

Brian Atlasmessage uh all right let's uh the rating thing really quick um no I don't think we were there were like tens here right no none of us said 10 like eights a

Brian Atlascouple eights or something but uh okay um and then just one last thing on this uh oh well actually uh Candace you just you kind of like refuse to answer it right cuz like it's stupid I I don't

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)like that you can say attractive or unattractive right I would I'll answer that one but I think when you do a number so binary I I would prefer that cuz and I think Andrew is trying to like I keeps hting that I'm a feminist I'm

Andrew Wilsonreally not like there's there's not a bucket I'm going to go in you know that's fair I'm not going to hint you are a feminist I'm okay that's fine I I I would I I just didn't want you I didn't want you to think it's being around the bush or trying to make

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)inferences or implications that weren't there I'll just flat say got it you definitely are a feminist okay well that's okay that's your perspective um putting a number onto it you're going to have most women that are going to either

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)like AA said there's going to be a disproportionate amount of people that are delusional themselves like a really high number but you're also have the ones that are see it as a trap I'm going to be modest and go low so that no one

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)thinks I'm egotistical like there's no winning by picking a number essentially like either like oh she picked low because she doesn't want us to know that she's narcissist or she picked High look how delusional she is it's just not a game I'm interested what what if she

Brian Atlaspicked a number that was you know if you pulled a thousand people was fairly commensurate with what those people pulled and what she actually could be accurate and if it was what what if she think she's a six mhm and then a bunch

Brian Atlasof people some give her seven some give her five bunch of people give her six I don't know if that would be losing I mean she thinks she's a six and nobody's like oh okay oh you're overrating

Brian Atlasyourself like I don't think we don't like typically like it's when a girl who's clearly not a 10 claims 10 like otherwise if like a girl is like ranks herself like one point higher we don't

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)be like I don't care whatever well yeah and then the the feminist nod was like he was like beauty is saying that I was going to think that beauty is subjective and to a point if you're talking about art or something sure but I think when you're talking about a person there's

Candace Horbach (Eva Lovia)the golden ratio people are usually attractive or not attractive across the board and then there's you know both ends of the spectrum that'll be exceptions to that rule but yes I think that beauty traditionally is is

Brian Atlasobjective so that was just a f yeah I mean I I guess the the reason we asked the question is because I think in the dating Marketplace you need to have a

Brian Atlassense of where you stand in it mhm like if you have a house and you think it's worth 5 million you put it on the market the market says this is 1 million you're not going to sell the house and I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that women are houses it's purely an analogy but um I do think that there is a a uh something going on whereby uh I mean if you look at the woman's Instagram for example all her

Brian Atlasfriends are gassing her up in the comments oh my God you're so beautiful blah blah blah blah blah you're amazing slay Queen Etc uh this woman could be fairly I'm not saying this to be mean to this hypothetical woman she could be

Brian Atlascompletely unremarkable not particularly attractive she could be just average right um women tend to gas each other up and there's another component here that I think is really interesting is that um

Brian Atlaslike if I approach a girl M and let's say she's just like obviously more physically attractive than me I'm getting instantly rejected like I

Brian Atlasdon't that's not with M huh not with me not Lily get your chill out man um but no if a guy steps to a girl

Brian Atlaswho's just like out of his League uh and you can consider League looks but you can consider other things too and I think it is other things too especially men yeah just looks but if a guy steps to a girl that's out of his

Brian AtlasLeague instant like nothing he doesn't get a conversation he doesn't get a date he doesn't get a kiss he doesn't get sex M the same isn't really true for women though MH if a as a woman you step to a

Brian Atlasguy who's outside of your league whether it's on a dating app you slide into his DMS or at a bar or whatever and you are in essence in the same way that men are like enthusiastically wanting to have sex with you if you as a woman make

Brian Atlasyourself sexually available to a man they'll take up that opportunity not look Not all men will but they'll take a lot of men will take up an opportunity to have sex with a woman who's

Brian Atlasenthusiastic and interested um so but they'll get rejected on the back back end men get rejected on the front end like I say if I step to like a 10 out of 10 I ain't getting anything from her

Brian Atlaswhereas women if she's maybe average looking if she steps to a guy who's 7even eight n she might not she's not going to get every single good guy who's a seven eight or nine she might end up

Brian Atlassleeping with with one or two or three uh maybe multiple times she'll get one two three hookups maybe he'll even keep her around in the situationship for 3 to six months she'll

Brian Atlasnever get commitment women get rejected on the back end and so what ends up happening though is I mean if you have these women who are getting sexual access and they feel like they're so

Brian Atlasclose to getting that relationship with that really attractive guy oh man and they just they keep chasing after him a couple things happen one they are

Brian Atlasgetting that sexual satisfaction with somebody who's out of their league how are they going to feel when the guy who's actually willing to give them

Brian Atlascommitment they're going to be less attracted to him the sex is not going to be as exciting or she's not going to be as um immersed in the sexual experience she's going to be thinking about like this other really hot dude or like the

Brian Atlas1020 other really hot dudes that she had casual sex with that just were unwilling to give her a relationship and so what ends up happening well a couple things end up happening she has an overestimated sense of her looks because

Brian Atlasshe oh okay I can sleep with a guy who's an eight or a nine airG go I must be an eight or nine no not how it works the the sorry I'm losing my train of thought here the W for the woman is

Brian Atlascommitment mhm like that's your league the guy who's willing to give you Commitment if just because a guy's willing to sleep with you one night if he's a nine that doesn't make a woman a nine but so what ends up happening is you got these women they go out it's

Brian Atlasreally easy to get sexual access to men who are more attractive than you we see this all the time with like famous actors musicians athletes they'll like gladly sleep with like a woman who doesn't match up to them in any regard

Brian Atlaslike an average woman can like maybe not average but like they can get with an NFL player we have like 19-year-old college girl who's like just attractive we've had them on the show they've hooked up with NFL players NBA players

Brian Atlasmaybe you guys have your own experiences where you've like been DMD by like famous musicians or athletes or actors some of you live in LA you know like these men like you have access to these men are they going to give you

Brian Atlascommitment not necessarily how are you gonna go like date Leonardo Dicaprio and then end up with like a normal dude like your brain is totally fried like I don't think in the same way that if you lived in a luxury apartment and then you're going to go

Brian Atlaslive in the dorm room with three other people and share a bathroom and it's really hard to like have that certain level of treatment or experience when these women are dating really attractive men and then be like oh okay here's the guy who's actually will here's the

Brian Atlascohort of men who are actually willing to commit to me uh but they don't like they're not as attractive as the men who are willing to sleep with me they don't have as much status as as these men who are willing to sleep with me so I do

Brian Atlasthink having a reasonable assessment of your own physical attractiveness would like indicate is a really good idea that I go [ __ ] like this rock star and then I'm going to be like completely sexually

Brian Atlasdissatisfied with like Joe scho average guy because like most average women are not attracted to average men that's my position maybe you disagree I don't know you've heard women talk about having

Brian Atlasthis experience hm you've heard women talk about having this experience like like when they're trying to date I've had thousands of women who've come on the show and they're like completely average and they're like oh yeah this

Brian Atlasfamous guys like in my DMs and like I dated XYZ I dat an NFL player I did an NBA player yeah they have that experience and I I was just curious about the difficulty finding commitment part well what I'm what I'm saying is is

Brian Atlaslike when it comes to female hypergamy is they can find commitment but the men it's like how often do you hear women say something like oh the guy that I like he doesn't like and the guys that like me I don't like them like those are

Brian Atlasthe guys who are willing to give them commitment so they can find commitment they just don't want it with those guys they're continuously chasing after these men and from like 18 to 30 they'll be chasing after these men like

Brian Atlassituationship situationship one night stand Friends with Benefits boom boom boom not saying this is the case for all women plenty of women throughout their 20s will be in long-term relationships but like this is the experience of a lot

Brian Atlasof women and then ultimately when they're 30 they're like oh okay I'm going to get married now now and then they're just totally dissatisfied with the men who are actually willing to commit to them because they spent like their 20s [ __ ] these like NFL NBA

Brian Atlasplayers and so forth and I'm using that as an extreme example but it could just be like the like really attractive guy in your college that all the girls want yeah I think I was just checking if this was like an like a specific

Brian Atlasanecdote that you'd had to more like Theory General observation you'd notice over like extrapolating I mean this is this is uh something that I think is observed in the dating Marketplace I mean the statistics from the dating app

Ayaseem to indicate this that women are uh overwhelmingly swiping on like the top 10% of men on dating ABS yeah I know I think this is definitely true I think I was just curious I'm like trying to figure out how much of a bubble I'm in basically so I was just curious like if the thing was a general thing like you

Ayahave access to the same information I have or if you're like yeah I've been talking to swim and they're like well I was trying to find a relationship when I'm 30 but I [ __ ] all these really incredible guys and like why can't I find a man as good as I was [ __ ] well I mean do do you think that this could

Brian Atlasbe a phenomenon where like once you've experienced a certain level of uh um treatment or like dated a certain like caliber of guy it's kind of like hard to

Brian Atlasbe be like and maybe you do end up settling with that other guy but like in the dark recesses of your mind you're like still like ah you still oh man this guy was

Brian Atlasbetter in like this Dimension maybe it's the guy is he was really generous or he's really good in bed big dick whatever it is like he's really tall really good-looking status he took me on all these trips and then you start creating an amalgamation of like all the

Ayalike most amazing characteristics that like 10 different guys who you dated all have and you're like okay I need that in one dude mhm yeah I think it's a possible Theory I I I think there might be some other theories that explain what's going on but I I genuinely really

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