TRIGGERED Girl WALKS OFF The Show?! 4 Kids 4 Fathers?! HEATED DEBATE On Chivalry! | Dating Talk #232
Date: 2025-03-03
Duration: 8h 58m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Multiple Guests (02)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Dalia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Natalie Tasha Thompson(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader / Brian(host)
SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_11Paula(guest)
SPEAKER_12Joy(guest)
SPEAKER_13Andrea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Tessa(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:30
QuoteCourtney introduces herself as 'ageless' then reluctantly admits 28
“I'm ageless I will let that up to the viewers to decide”
00:17:23
QuoteNatalie explains: mother named her Natalie Tasha because 'Natasha' contains 'Satan' backwards
“my mom liked the name Natasha until she realized that it was a Satan backwards so she decided to make kindergarten hard”
00:25:30
RelationshipElizabeth reveals she has 4 kids with 4 different fathers, 3 have autism - largest family situation on this episode
“four kids four kids all the same father or different fathers different fathers for all four”
00:31:36
OtherKayia/Jade explains her 'civilian celibacy' - does adult film for work but stays celibate with civilians to protect her work
“the problem is like um civilians like jeopardize you know when you're when you're just interacting with people who are also tested”
02:03:00
OtherAbby's situationship drama: her situationship and her date were both at the same baseball game/bar - they all played pool together
“they both invited me to the same baseball game so I kind of like pre-warned him... we all ended up at the same bar and then we all played pool together”
03:00:00
ControversyPaula challenges Brian: if you want a submissive woman and traditional values, why won't you pay for dates?
“if that's your traditional mindset then why are you not traditional in the sense that you're not willing to even pay for a date”
03:10:00
ControversyAndrew argues women can't have it both ways: if they vote to send men to war but aren't drafted themselves, that's privilege not equality
“if all the women voted for that person all the men voted against that person they could send men off to war yes and they themselves would not have to fight that war”
04:27:12
OtherLiberty reveals she once had a date offer her lean while he was on house arrest with an ankle monitor
“he came to my restaurant... he was telling me about like oh I'm on house arrest and I was like how the hell did I get myself... he had a little lean”
06:13:00
ControversyAndrea confronts Andrew Wilson over immigration joke, calls him racist, eventually refuses to answer more questions - nearly a walkoff
“you Trump loving she clapping man... why are you guys going after Latinos... you guys literally have low IQs”
06:19:00
OtherAndrea announces she will stop answering questions due to disrespect - closest thing to a walkoff in this episode
“I'm just going to stop talking because I don't want to hold on so just to be clear you can be abrasive towards that I'm just going to literally stop answering questions”
06:48:00
Key MomentTessa reveals her Vanderbilt mechanical engineering degree while working as a bowling alley server because it pays more
“I make more money as a server than I do as an engineer”
07:00:00
ControversyAndrea argues that men who want to be chased rather than chase women might be gay
“maybe like maybe they are gay but they don't want to admit it and so like they're going after these women”
07:46:00
OtherNicole shares story: date seared her hand with a heated butter knife on a candle - still has the triangular scar
“he had a butter knife that he was laying on top of a candle and out of nowhere he like reached to grab my hand and he just seared my hand”
07:55:30
QuoteBrian delivers memorable line: 'You take the bullet, you pay for the first date' - encapsulating the chivalry debate
“you guys have rejected the social contract you take the bullet you take the bullet you pay for the first date”
08:06:00
RelationshipBody count round: Kayia estimates 100-110 as adult performer; various other guests share or decline to share counts
“probably like I'd say by now I'd estimate like 100 to 110”
08:12:00
ControversyExtended Courtney vs. Brian debate on sidewalk rule - she wants chivalry but also full independence; Brian calls out the contradiction
“you said you're a big believer in Old School values if a guy doesn't know basic etiquette like the sidewalk rule... you want a guy to die for you but you can't even change your shirt”
08:24:00
OtherNatalie shares she previously dated a ~50yo man when she was 19 in college (needed money)
“he was probably like 50 so going back to the conversation of like 50 with a 19-year-old yeah I think that's kind of kind of weird looking at it now obviously I know that I was an adult”
08:27:24
QuoteCourtney reveals she cannot carry children and needs a surrogate
“jokes on you though cuz I actually can't carry my own kids so I actually get to decide when I have a kid because I have to get a surate”
10:00:54
OtherPatrice O'Neal 'no vagina' clip played - guests answer how they'd keep their man without it
“if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right how would you keep your man”
Topics Discussed
00:05:04
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces the largest-ever panel (14 guests). Each guest gives name, age, location, occupation, education. Guests include Courtney (songwriter), Jade/Kayia (adult performer), Abby (aesthetician), Elizabeth (4 kids, 4 fathers), Liberty (furniture admin), Tessa (engineer/server), Andrea (medical assistant), Joy (business manager), Dalia (actress/student), Nicole (coordinator/makeup), Ashley (automotive GM), Natalie Tasha Thompson (nonprofit director), Paula (salsa teacher). Andrew Wilson also introduces himself.
00:21:00
Relationship Status Round
Brian goes around the table asking about relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, who broke up with who. Notable: Elizabeth's 4 kids with 4 different fathers revealed, with detailed discussion. Kayia's return to adult industry after relationship. Abby's 5-month casual situationship. Various single/casually dating statuses revealed.
01:34:30
Going to Clubs / Bars in Relationships
Debate about whether partners should be allowed to go to clubs while in relationships. Brian argues men and women face different environments (men seek, women are pursued), so it's asymmetrical. Andrew uses the 'avoid impropriety' argument. Multiple guests debate trust vs. mate-guarding. One guest (Liberty) was in a situationship where she was caught on a date at the same baseball game as her situationship guy.
03:00:00
Chivalry and Traditional Values Debate
Heated multi-hour debate on chivalry: the sidewalk rule, men paying for dates, submission in relationships, traditional gender roles. Paula and others argue for traditional chivalry. Brian challenges the pick-and-choose approach to traditionalism. Courtney's position particularly debated - she wants chivalry (sidewalk rule, door-opening) but also full independence. Andrew argues chivalry was historically tied to female virtue. Debate extends into feminism, equality, who should vote, military service.
04:33:30
Gender Swap AI Photos
Brian shows AI-generated gender-swapped versions of the guests. Guests react to seeing themselves as the opposite gender. Some self-deprecating comments, some surprise. Natalie says her male version looks better; Joy's bondage Instagram photos referenced.
04:59:30
Age Gap Relationships Debate
Discussion about age gap relationships, particularly older men dating younger women. Paula objects to large age gaps (20+ years). Andrew and Brian defend men's ability to date younger women. Discussion of when it's appropriate vs. predatory. Debate about women's prime, fertility, and relationship stability.
05:34:00
Minimum Income and Height Requirements
Brian asks all guests their minimum income and height requirements for a husband. Results vary widely: one guest wants 200k+, most want 80-150k, some don't care. Heights range from no preference to 5'10+. Andrew highlights the privilege asymmetry - men have no income requirements for women while women have high requirements for men. Brian says he has zero income requirement for a woman.
05:56:30
Women Dressing Revealing / Modesty Debate
Extended debate on whether women in relationships should dress modestly at a partner's request. Andrea strongly against restrictions - approaches men knowing how she dresses. Joy argues modesty preaching in church is harmful. Natalie and Nicole more traditional. Brian challenges the double standard of wanting chivalry but refusing to defer on clothing. Joy's revealing Instagram photos shown on screen.
06:13:00
Andrea vs. Andrew: Immigration/Politics Confrontation
Heated confrontation between Andrea (23, Oakland) and Andrew Wilson over an immigration joke Andrew made about deporting families. Andrea calls it racist and not funny. Andrew defends it as a joke. Andrea eventually says she'll stop answering questions because the conversation is too disrespectful. Multiple guests try to mediate. Discussion about whether you can be racist towards white people.
07:59:00
Body Count Round
Brian asks all guests their body count. Notable answers: Kayia/Jade ~100-110 (as adult performer), one guest 11, one guest 25-30, one guest 8, Paula refused (not over 100), Joy refused (under 100, not counting same-sex with husband), Natalie 20-25, several private/refused. Followed by discussion on whether men caring about body count means they're insecure. Nicole discusses why focus on body count is hypocritical without also addressing male porn addiction.
08:06:00
Chivalry Final Showdown / Patrice O'Neal Video
Continued chivalry debate culminating in Brian playing Patrice O'Neal's 'what if you didn't have a vagina' video to illustrate female value beyond sex. Guests respond to how they'd keep a man. Paula argues men are protectors by God's design. Brian: 'You take the bullet, you pay for the first date.' Final discussion of traditional vs. modern expectations.
08:12:00
Sidewalk Rule Deep Dive - Courtney
Extended one-on-one between Brian and Courtney about the sidewalk rule and what 'old school values' really means. Brian challenges Courtney's cherry-picking of traditional expectations. Courtney maintains her position on independence while wanting gentleman behaviors. Argument goes in circles until both sides acknowledge different people want different things.
Transcript
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06:37:01
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Brian Atlashave to massage someone's feet take care of someone and you have to bow pull up the bow video really quick since it's topical all right um that was interesting you know what I got a little light-hearted video for us
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Brian Atlasto watch I have two of them first the bow video this is uh my ex-girlfriend I took a video just to teach my future girlfriends how to behave what theck go ahead play now pay very close attention in this video to the
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Brian Atlastomatoes boom huge bow so I expect a bow upon once a day she has to Bow once a day um all right you know I got this was after one of my crazy late podcasts so I
06:37:49
Brian Atlasgot home I was tired and she had my dinner ready scampering now the tomatoes this I had to scold her for the tomatoes because I don't [ __ ] with tomatoes like that that
06:37:59
Brian Atlasjust to I don't even like tomatoes sounds like my last relationship yeah and then we're going to play the bow the bow once again once it gets to the yeah I just scold her about the
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Multiple Guests (02)tomatoes let's just see the bow real quick boom huge bow do you see the angle there that's that's my expectation on the first day do you have like a b angle that you expect like a a minimum
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Brian Atlasrequirement absolutely it has to be at least 45° anything less rude disrespectful I'm not let's see about about how you want a girl to B I don't bow to women they bow to me let's see if
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Brian Atlasyeah let's see I'm not going to demonstrate the bow you can do the bow and I'll tell you if it's good enough but I want to do I'll tell you if it's a sufficient bow you want to he does not he does not have the same dimensions of the type of women he would like to be
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Andrew Wilsonwith any demonstration of a vow done by Brian would not actually capture the image that what needs to happen in all women
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Brian Atlasa nice way to put it nice you said you're built funny just said just said that he's tall and you're short the box say she's tall I think she's kind of tall not too yeah I am tall are you going to Bow you want to hit the bow and I'll tell you if it's
06:39:20
Brian Atlassufficient I'll tell you if it's girlfriend you'll be able to touch the top of that you might finally get a boyfriend out of this you know if you do the bow correctly she might yeah I I don't know how we're going to reconcile our completely opposite political
06:39:31
Brian Atlaspositions but you know whatever whatever I'll make you a trump supporter you'll be Maga for the next 20 years um okay uh let's see um and you know I'll give you I'll get wait hold on never mind never mind never
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TTS Reader / Brianmind never mind hold on I got some chats coming through that's crazy Jason Castle donated $200 calm down share seven men bust each
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TTS Reader / Brianother's balls you're a man you know how it goes that's crazy yo Jason thank you just to be just to be clear I to say
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Andreasomething nice to you I don't think you're a trans man I I don't think so either I think you're a biological woman I don't even think I look like a you do not look you don't look like
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TTS Reader / Briana I'm $200 shares one and seven on this show the guests who engage in good faith are generally considered to be good guests
06:40:28
Brian Atlaseven especially if they disagree who would do a man's laundry on the first date show up hands who would do a man's laundry on the first date W would if he asked Abigail W's if his hands were
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Daliabroken I would I mean if there was like a reason for it where are we going do laundry his I don't know house to be fair I wouldn't go to the D house on the
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Brian Atlasfirst day exactly yeah no just safety reasons probably not I I'm terrified hpo they I feel like they me the women this is not real life it's not real life come
06:41:02
Brian Atlason you got some some people here have had one night stands you know I mean you know what I mean anybody yeah one night stands I don't know here and in the morning who
06:41:16
Andreahere agrees women are the prize who here agrees with her show up hands show up hands everybody should be putting their hands up yeah yeah for the sake of time unfortunately we can't really argue this
06:41:27
Brian Atlasone but but just know you're all wrong um just kidding but you are okay Damian let's do the little lie hearted video it's the YouTube video Go full screen with it I got a little standup comedy
06:41:37
Brian Atlasfor you that's dating related here little a little something light you know you know something for the a low IQ uh go ahead and play it you might
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06:42:01
Unknown Callerbeautiful she cut me off right then and there let me tell you something real quick brand I said what's up she go I want to let you know that I don't give it up on the first date but I instantly got upset because I didn't saying about getting
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Unknown Callernothing tonight said how beautiful you look how much fun I'm having that's what I said to you but why you don't give it up on the first dat she said well I don't want this relationship that we have to be just
06:42:26
Unknown Callerbased off sex I want you to respect me as a woman plus I got a lot going on in my life right now and I'll feel really bad if I give you on the first date and never hear from you again I would feel really bad I respect that makes sense I don't know that's what she said right
06:42:38
Unknown Callerand I had to respect that but this bill came to the table really really fast and I'm looking over the bill bill was like $190 right it was a crazy bill but to the bill and what I found out was is that only had mozzarella sticks and
06:42:51
Unknown Callertwo beers so I told the girl I said look I'll put in $40 right cuz I don't cover the tax in the tip plus that's more than my portion of
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Unknown Callerwhat I had and she lost her mind said are you kidding me you invited me out I thought you were paying I said listen I want to let you know something oh I don't pay on the first
06:43:13
Unknown Callerday D it so you see I don't want this relationship based off me paying you know what I'm saying I want you to respect me as a man you know what I'm talking about and uh got a lot going on in my life right now
06:43:26
Unknown Callerand feel really bad if I pay for this dat tonight never hear from you again man [Music] well damn that's
06:43:38
Andrew Wilsoncrazy crazy okay I'm going to blast through these notes as quick as possible by the way that guy went to debate University then you can find debate University oh right he went to debate University that's where he learned how
06:43:49
Brian Atlasto make arguments like that it's very good them nice uh let's see here we have uh Jade toxic relationship situation while being in the adult industry you wanted
06:44:01
Brian Atlasto talk about open relationship have you had open relationships no do you want open relationships yeah that's what I'm going to do moving forward if I ever have a relationship again you said that monogamy in today's day and age is becoming less manageable and common with
06:44:13
Brian Atlassocial media and hookup culture yes uh and then you have I just wrote septum piercing here I don't know cuz you have a septum piercing what I'm curious
06:44:24
Multiple Guests (02)because we there's a lot of septum piercings out there why are so many women getting septum piercings um honestly I've had mine since I was 15 like I've had it for a long time at this
06:44:37
Multiple Guests (02)point I wouldn't even want to take it out it's like a part of my face can I ask what do you like about it I'm just curious what do you like about it honestly I mean this one specifically I changed it to a more blingy one so you
06:44:48
Multiple Guests (02)know Sparkles and stuff in the light looks nice I think it just like compliments my face and my aesthetic uh same with tattoos like it protrays my P
06:44:58
Brian Atlaspersonality and my like aesthetic um through piercings and okay tattoos sure uh I'm going to go to Dalia did I say your name right really quick yeah well
06:45:09
Brian Atlasit's Dalia but Dalia pretty similar you said you think modern dating is so exhausting and put so many people in the limbo of whether or not to fully care about someone and be vulnerable because trust me every time I've put 100% dudes want to take it and take advantage of it
06:45:22
Brian Atlasbut when I treat a man like they're whatever they try the hardest like damn does everyone want to be half loved but get the ick when they get actual effort yeah I 100% stand by that so when you
06:45:35
Daliaput in no effort that's when the guys they start putting in effort but when you put in all the effort they kind of for real I I don't know maybe it's I put too much effort whenever I actually like really like a dude but I think I just
06:45:45
Daliahave an issue that like whenever I like reply in a day or whenever I like don't really like like I'm just like oh you're cool like we can have conversation but
06:45:56
Dalialike I I'm barely in invested they want to like pursue like oh my God like can you please go out with me please go out with me and I don't understand that cuz I like to I like being in relationships or at least I would want to be in one so
06:46:08
Andrew WilsonI would think that if I'm giving you 100% I would get that 100% but I feel like it turns opposite when I give them 100% before before you continue here I just wanted to say it was nice to meet
06:46:20
Andrew Wilsonall you guys I hope you have Andrew wait the box is leaving I I need you for 10 more minutes and I'll get into the I need 10:15 and I'll get into the notes
06:46:31
Brian Atlasfor why okay okay but got to got to move it because where we're at I'm going to get so I think there were some panelists here who had specific grievances with
06:46:41
Brian Atlasyou Andrew so we're going to jump right to those so let me see in my notes Here who had them a court or sorry Natalie did you have specific grievances towards
06:46:51
JoyAndrew no okay so then that was was it Joy grievances towards Andrew I don't think so not specifically him like what
06:46:59
Multiple Guests (02)what or was it Nicole uh there is a Cordy there was an episode where Andrew um was speaking with Nala Nala she was a
06:47:09
Multiple Guests (02)returned guest a converted Christian and I just felt like um she should have been celebrated for her uh new found relationship with God not condemned for
06:47:19
Multiple Guests (02)her past so it just didn't sit well with me because as much as I agree that she shouldn't be giving you all of this new Christian advice because this is how you've devoted your life and this is the
06:47:30
Multiple Guests (02)path that you've chosen to walk down I I think that it was worth celebrating and acknowledging her for her her changes that Andrew before you respond this is what she wrote precisely she said I
06:47:42
Brian Atlasdon't like how Andrew and his wife treated that ex porn star I believe a Godly Man Would Understand repentance and a key concept of Christianity is becoming new again why do the okay
06:47:54
Andrew Wilsonthat's something else but Andrew do you want to respond to that yeah so did you actually watch that whole episode uh probably not the whole thing no yeah so let me explain to you what actually
06:48:05
Andrew Wilsonhappened to give you some context early on a lot of people were against n's conversion and said that she was grifting and a liar in a scumbag and I went to bat for her defended her
06:48:17
Andrew Wilsonpublicly multiple times on very big shows and said look you should give this person the absolute benefit of the doubt I'd much rather see them go down this path than the opposite path you should
06:48:29
Andrew Wilsongive her the benefit of the doubt when she was on the show though she became extraordinarily combative when we were discussing Theology and she clearly didn't know what she was talking about
06:48:39
Andrew Wilsonright and so when as the exchange went on right my position to her was as a new convert you probably shouldn't be spouting off about things you don't know
06:48:49
Andrew Wilsonanything about that'll actually divert people away from the faith itself her response to that of course was to be abrasive and brutal and this and that
06:48:58
Andrew Wilsonand so I answered in kind and I will stand behind 100 100% right this second that I am not about to take any theological advice from a woman who's
06:49:09
Andrew Wilsonhad 50 dicks in her mouth I'm really not I'm just not willing to do that now there may be better men than me out there who will there may be men out
06:49:19
Andrew Wilsonthere who really will take advice from brand new converts who have been uh you know spit roasted uh but I'm just not one of them and it's there's no amount
06:49:30
Andrew Wilsonof female shaming and crying and whining about it that's ever going to convince me that I need to listen to women who are brand new converts and go from The Prostitute to savei your pipeline I'm
06:49:42
Andrew Wilsonnot doing it no way and a lot of that stuff just so you know because I've been in this industry for a while is designed to buy a new reputation it's not
06:49:52
Andrew Wilsondesigned necessarily to actually convert to the thing but rather to use it as a shield from criticism in order to Rebrand whatever it is you're trying to Rebrand towards and I was willing to
06:50:05
Multiple Guests (02)give the benefit of the doubt until I had the exchange with her myself thank you it was well put yeah no I I I I should have watched the full episode I guess before writing that but
06:50:17
Multiple Guests (02)that's one of the clips that went viral so it was all over my socials and well you have to remember that they who get to the clip first wins and so what happened is a narrative was spun against
06:50:28
Andrew Wilsonmyself and my wife uh without any context and without the entire episode being seen usually the first thing I ask a person when they try to ridicule me for this is did you watch the episode
06:50:38
Andrew Wilsonand guess what they say no no and what did you say no right so this is why I always ask right the thing is is like am
06:50:47
Andrew WilsonI am I an imperfect person absolutely do people piss me off if we're in exchanges and uh you know sometimes I can become overly heated sure you know I'm I'm
06:50:57
Andrew Wilsonimperfect that way um but I still am just not willing like try to think of it from my perspective like try to imagine the men out there who they've been working their asses off for like 20 25
06:51:10
Andrew Wilsonyears supporting their family and then they suddenly get their chest poked by this whole brand new crop of prostitutes who just recently became Christians who were poking them in the chest and going
06:51:22
Andrew Wilsonyou're doing it wrong you're doing it wrong you're doing it wrong they're like shut up lady shut up lady you know like I don't need your advice if if your advice was so great and you were you were so great at what it was you were
06:51:35
Andrew Wilsondoing you wouldn't have been doing all that [ __ ] to begin with how about you work on you before you start worrying about how we're doing over here you know what I mean so that's the uh that was the general
06:51:45
Multiple Guests (02)idea can I can I ask a question Andrew is it a disagreement or no no no it's it's just a a view question I as a Christian do you feel like hatred towards people that disagree with you or
06:51:57
Andrew Wilsondo you just wish to educate them and maybe change their opinion on things I feel hatred towards people all the the time it's a base passion that everybody feels I hatred towards people I felt jealousy in my life I felt every base
06:52:09
Andrew Wilsonpassion you could ever imagine the whole point of Christianity is not that you're not going to feel passions like that but that you're supposed to control them that is what controlling the passions is it's the rooted Foundation of Christian
06:52:22
Andrew Wilsonethics is to control passions instead of passions controlling you so no of course I get angry of course I get upset uh in fact probably even more than I would
06:52:31
Andrew Wilsonlike um but that's the the point of it is not to uh to say oh hey do you do you have some kind of dislike or distaste for this person it's like sure but you your your whole point is to try to
06:52:43
Andrew Wilsoncontrol those Baseline yeah those Baseline passions I'm sure everybody here has been angry and upset with people maybe even this morning when you're driving to work and somebody cut you off and you called them a [ __ ] right because they pissed
06:52:54
Andrew Wilsonyou off it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that you have actual hatred in your heart towards the person I don't have any hatred towards uh towards Nala she did piss me off because she promised a debate and then wouldn't do it so I
06:53:06
Brian Atlascould never actually defend the position and it show that I was correct but um no I don't I don't I don't hate I don't hate anybody anybody here have anybody
06:53:17
Brian Atlashere have any other uh disagreements with
06:53:24
Brian AtlasAndrews any other any other objections or disagreements with Andrew before he leaves this is your last chance to argue with him last chance and then he's gone whatever criticisms you have I'll address
06:53:37
Andrew Wilsonwhatever they are I just want to tell you that my dad's a big fan of yours your dad your dad got all the brains in the family got all the he's he's the
06:53:46
Multiple Guests (02)he's the most epic what's your dad's name Al what is it Albert Albert Albert oh you call him Al yeah yeah I call him
06:53:56
Multiple Guests (02)dad but everyone else calls Al I am now your biggest fan Al love that romtic do want to say one more thing earlier we were talking about feminism
06:54:08
Multiple Guests (02)um and that's cute go ahead um I I was totally against the fact that I I might be a feminist I think what you helped me realize is that I do align more with like first and second wave feminism I
06:54:21
Multiple Guests (02)think women should have the right to vote but I don't think that women are greater than men or should be destroying family patriarchy so I appreciate the conversation earlier yeah the the basic
06:54:33
Andrew Wilsonidea um and I'm glad I'm glad that you can you can kind of see that too is like the idea of going after first or second way feminism it's just all feminism right so you're just a feminist
06:54:44
Andrew Wilsonsupporter the thing is is the idea is not even to ridicule everybody in the United States and in the west ultimately has a lot of feminist leanings because we've been raised in it our entire lives
06:54:56
Andrew Wilsonit's the air we breathe it's the water we swim in it's the food that we eat feminism is everywhere the idea of patriarchy is rejected even tonight we had a conversation about control you hear a lot of I don't want to be
06:55:08
Andrew Wilsoncontrolled I don't want to be controlled that's very Western but the second you think about it you realize in a relationship relationships are all about control like your relationship are about control your relationship with your spouse is about control your
06:55:21
Andrew Wilsonrelationship with your parents is about control they're all they all are rooted in control and you wouldn't want it any other way you wouldn't even want it any other way so it's it's bizarre to me that how much W's kind of been pulled over our eyes and how much we don't
06:55:34
Andrew Wilsonactually think about these problems and instead just go with the knee-jerk kind of reaction of like um hey this is bad patriarchy is bad or control is bad or it's evil and it's like the more you think about it you realize wait a second
06:55:47
Multiple Guests (02)no it's not and what why the [ __ ] did I even think that to begin with it's kind of silly yeah like you want a strong family a strong man a good father to your kids absolutely I totally don't you want your don't you want your man to control his environment you want him to
06:55:59
Andrew Wilsoncontrol the household you want him to control the finances you want him to control things that are happening around him and control the behavior of your children you want him to do all that [ __ ] yeah right so it's like I don't I
06:56:11
Andrew Wilsondon't so I I don't get it ultimately but the more I have these conversations the more I realize that you know you guys are just indoctrinated into it and it's trying to un indoctrinate people is very
06:56:22
Andrew Wilsondifficult because as you see from like chair 7 there just hates my [ __ ] guts and there's nothing I'm going to be able to do about that right ultimately she's not ever going to think again about anything I've ever said or why I said it
06:56:35
Andrew Wilsonbut regardless of how nice I was she'd hate me anyway like it doesn't matter people get so indoctrinated this ideology just hearing the opposite ideology they think you're evil they literally just think instantly you're an
06:56:47
Andrew Wilsonevil person and there's not much you can do about it so you you maybe reach one in 20 uh or more likely like 1 in 3,000 and it's like well I guess I guess
06:56:58
Andrew Wilsonthat's the best I can do yeah well I appreci all right have a great guys thank you so much nice to I take none of this personally chair one before I go can you
06:57:09
Brian Atlasjust tell me the color Crystal just tell me what color Crystal just tell them pink she likes the going in the pink Crystal you're going in the crystal she's going in the crystal all right
06:57:22
Brian Atlasgood good to have you Andrew we'll see you next week thank you Andrew all right I'm GNA blast through these final notes that we have um so we'll try to do it as quickly as possible so we can get this wrapped up so uh do we have any reacts
06:57:34
Brian AtlasDamian I could have sworn we had one of your Tik toks or something Abigail is that your name Abigail yeah do you prefer Abby or Abigail Abby for for
06:57:44
Brian AtlasAbigail let's [ __ ] let's let's pull it up pull that up Instagram her wait her Instagram yeah I
06:57:54
Brian AtlasI have Abigail's Instagram no CH chair oh but do we have something for
06:58:02
Multiple Guests (02)Abigail yeah yeah listen ah I knew this was coming beginning
06:58:11
Brian Atlasteacher can can I go to toilet please I asked teacher [ __ ] you said my teacher was actually the [ __ ] you guy wait Play it Again Play it again that's actually
06:58:21
Multiple Guests (02)really funny just can I go to toilet please can I have I have Attractive people like me [ __ ] you s so H is telling you [ __ ] you there's no attractive guys on him basically you know what after I posted that I feel
06:58:34
Brian Atlaslike I kind of started getting some attractive guys and I was like maybe they saw man manifest are there other reacts besides just the Instagram yeah
06:58:45
Brian Atlasthere yeah you can close those out cuz she's gone rest in rest in peace okay going to Natalie yes that's you yes okay you said in your prior life you would
06:58:55
Brian Atlashave constituted yourself as a self-proclaimed slute your word your words correct in the sense that you didn't care who you slept with despite also considering yourself a
06:59:06
Brian AtlasChristian clearly those two are complete contradictions you believe or uh you believe the lie that you could be a free woman in the world by using your sexual
06:59:17
Brian Atlassexuality to your own benefit but then you woke up and realized that one life uh that was a life that led to nothing and two began to understand your worth and became educated on blood red
06:59:28
Brian Atlasconservative values amen amen okay so when you say in your prior life you self-proclaim slute yes what's what are we talking about
06:59:39
Natalie Tasha Thompsonhere um I mean I wasn't like gang bangs or anything but like about what no no no I mean like it was mainly College I think a lot of it colge went was yes
06:59:50
Natalie Tasha ThompsonCollege went down I it was anytime I went out on a night out it was like who am I going home with now I never had a one night stand um and the reason I say that is because I was either friends with the people before for like I knew
07:00:03
Natalie Tasha Thompsonthem after the fact it wasn't like a stranger they were in your dorm on a different floor correct so maybe I only slept with them one time but it wasn't something that like I never knew them prior to uh you said you also said how American values have just disintegrated
07:00:16
Brian Atlasin sex is the only thing we value correct uh you used to have be a self-proclaimed salute now you're waiting till marriage and want to be a
07:00:24
Brian Atlaswife with kids yes so I guess uh let's see here um so you've been dating a guy for long two and a half years two and half years uh neither of you are virgin though correct but you're both Christian
07:00:37
Natalie Tasha Thompsonyou maybe both of you had a past when it came to dating sex whatever but now you guys are celibate like you're waiting until marriage yes has there ever been like close calls uh for sure I mean we haven't been perfect just a tip just for
07:00:49
Natalie Tasha Thompsona second not just a tip is he still here hello no I mean like I would just say that like we haven't been perfect in the sense of like we've done almost everything but um but that's not
07:01:01
Natalie Tasha Thompsonsomething that we try and bring into our relationship always it's just been a few times over the last 2 and 1 half years um but we are waiting till marriage and man is that difficult so I'm waiting for
07:01:10
Brian Atlasthe wedding night to just get plowed oh let's go wow okay yo Andrew thank for the raid man um did did he just send the raid did the raid just come through I'll just get the the Raiders caught up
07:01:24
Brian Atlasbecause maybe they missed it Andrew was giving his uh final uh speeches so uh in college used to be slute yes now Christian no longer slute correct I mean
07:01:36
Natalie Tasha Thompsonlike so I was in long-term relationship with boyfriend and you guys are celibate and waiting till marriage yes okay that's a catchup sh thank you for the raid Andrew um you were going to say something um no I was just going to say I don't know what I was going to say um I'll just continue through not though
07:01:49
Brian Atlasyou said in college you thought it would be a good idea to try and get a sugar daddy from seeking Arrangements you probably were like 19 you got matched with some guy Uber to a Starbucks he was
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Brian Atlasgoing to offer you 600 a week to be his friend and then you regretted it correct okay uh and then you ghosted him correct but then he gave you free balls of tequila yes he he's an investor and like
07:02:12
Natalie Tasha Thompsonan influencer tequila brand I'm not going to say it cuz I would rather not like know do on the internet but um yeah no that was interesting he was probably like 50 so going back to the conversation of like 50 with a 19-year-old yeah I think that's kind of
07:02:24
Natalie Tasha Thompsonkind of weird looking at it now obviously I know that I was an adult but um sure it didn't yeah it was just one of those moments that was needed money I was in college and you said as far as unique dating stories you'd have to say
07:02:35
Brian Atlasyour current relationship has been that you've been on and off for the last 2 and a half years crazy as it sounds you knew you were going to marry him from the day you met him despite you guys having many ups and downs he had not been in a relationship for six years
07:02:48
Brian Atlaswhen you met him whereas you came from a world of jumping from relationship to relationship both him and you had only been in relationships that primarily were evolved around sex as the only
07:02:57
Brian AtlasCommons nominator yet you both decided to wait for marriage so you're I think you're making a joke born virgins enter the chat uh you waited you guys dated for 6 weeks to the start then you spent
07:03:10
Brian Atlas6 months talking about the fact that you did for six weeks um oh and then it was 6 weeks on and off yes it was very cyclical but now you guys have a good rhythm of not breaking up and then you
07:03:21
Natalie Tasha Thompsonguys an engagement is in the near future yes an impending engagement impending engagement isn't that supposed to be a surprise I mean at some level yeah but like I feel like these days women want you know pick the ring and whatever else
07:03:34
Natalie Tasha Thompsonwe've gone through premarital counseling so it's like we we should at least know at this point that we do want to get engaged was he a former slute too um in some level yeah I think we both were raised in the church um but we definitely just kind of like diverted
07:03:46
Natalie Tasha Thompsonways in college which most people's paths end up happening um but then him and I both separately decided to wait till the marriage and then we met and we realized that it was going to be a good
07:03:57
Brian Atlasfit sure so you said most of your friends have looked at you like you have three heads uh when you've told him that you and him have never had sex especially coming from such a freely
07:04:09
Brian Atlassexual past but truly one of the things you're were so grateful for and obviously looking forward to the wedding night truly what got me to fall for him was finding out he was not jabbed uh yes the audience can understand what that
07:04:20
Brian Atlasmeans but mainly that's mainly because my only other long-term boyfriend I had or you had you had was a Raging Raging liberal so you dumped him over Zoom during the pandemic uh and then you
07:04:32
Brian Atlasfinally found your conservative values uh let's see sorry I wrote a lot oh you truly don't believe in soulmates uh it's a choice to love someone you die on the hill that you can take any two people who have at minimum
07:04:44
Brian Atlasthe same political values and Loosely the same religious beliefs and at least are mildly attractive and they can make it work and get to the altar as long as they are both in it for the long run okay so no such thing as soulmates you
07:04:54
Brian Atlasalso said that uh I'm going to have to skip some of this but um I have I probably have to avoid this but um say it's probably going to happen
07:05:06
Brian Atlassoon pendulum is going to swing back to oh okay being the girl that used to sleep around and not have a care in the world about it to standing on firm ground that that's what's killing relationships today is slightly comical
07:05:18
Brian Atlasyou think your younger self would have no idea who you are today but all that to say there has to be a point in time and you would say it is probably going to happen soon that the pendulum is going to swing back to modesty and conservative values because otherwise
07:05:30
Brian Atlaswe're simply going to die out as a nation yes nice okay yes the end of America okay um and uh I'm going to move on to Joy uhoh uh Joy you have a
07:05:43
JoyShameless marriage podcast what do you mean by do you have a Shameless marriage or is that just the name of the podcast yeah so it we haven't officially started my husband and I are going to start a podcast yeah what is so what is
07:05:55
JoyShameless marriage what does that mean so it is um creating a marriage that without to doing what you want meaning the
07:06:04
Joyhusband and wife what you want in your marriage without outside voices without what not going by what other people think or what other standards are it's
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Joywhat between you and your spouse uh and are so are you guys swingers no you know what I'm talking
07:06:24
Joyabout though yes but do you have an open marriage we well def file open you guys see other people no not not you guys
07:06:35
Brian Atlashave threes SS with women we've had yes okay do you sleep with other men no do you have threesoms with other men no but you do bring other women into the relationship we have a couple times a couple times so is that what you're
07:06:48
Brian Atlastalking about when you're talking about Shameless marriage not just that no no oh what do you guys do like Kung Fu or what do you what do you mean what are you doing I don't know what well going
07:06:57
Joyback to the modesty with what she was saying earlier with how how she dresses and okay oh going back to it could be anything it could be that we'll pull up
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Joyyour Instagram in a sec but go ahead no I didn't keep going though so um I mean by standards some say that the woman
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Joyneeds to dress a certain way mhm but that's that's their that's for them like if they if you guys want to do that in your relationship that's totally fine but that doesn't need to be across the
07:07:31
Joyboard whatever works for a relationship so if my husband is comfortable with me dressing a little more risque a little more revealing then that's fine it's whatever works for your relationship I
07:07:43
Brian Atlasnoticed you're wearing a cross are you Christian yes which denomination non denominational H oh Andrew would have loved this um so um I know I mean I know I'm going to get but you don't think there's a mo when it comes to
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JoyChristianity you don't think there's some component of modesty I
07:08:02
Joymean my okay so the church puts so much emphasis on
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Joymodesty that I think that it's doing more harm because the women are not um
07:08:20
Brian Atlasfeeling sexy they're not able hold on the men are sh they they're go ahead the women not feeling sexy is a
07:08:30
Brian Atlascontravention in contravention of Theology of Christian faith what do you will well you said
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Joyyou're a Christian and the church puts a big emphasis on modesty and women don't feel sexy well if you cover up a woman and every time she dresses lice and the
07:08:53
Joymanale says don't wear that don't do that don't you know don't I mean that's that's going to hurt is the church WR is
07:09:03
Joythe Bible wrong what I think the the people in the church that are preaching some of the
07:09:13
Multiple Guests (02)things that they're preaching are not correct but in like modest ways like still like I wear modest and I bring back chat who
07:09:24
Brian Atlaswho who in The Crucible crew has Andrew get get him back for five minutes um he'd love this um but so uh but is the Bible wrong because I think there there are specific Bible verses and maybe
07:09:36
Brian Atlassomebody in the chat could give me the actual verses uh but isn't it the case that there are Bible verses that pertain to uh inducing lust so if you're dressing in a revealing way that would
07:09:48
Brian Atlasbe your your it's I think it's technically falls under adultery by uh inducing somebody to lust if you do so I mean if you dress
07:09:59
Joyrevealing if a girl is good looking it doesn't matter if she's fully clothed with a turtleneck or she's wearing a bikini if a guy finds a girl goodlooking he's going to think of her sexually so
07:10:10
Joythis whole it she needs to be covered up to her neck so men don't think of a woman lustfully is [ __ ] because if a man looks at a woman and he finds her beautiful he's going to it doesn't
07:10:23
Joymatter what she's wearing he's you can tell if a woman's beautiful based on her face or her just her body it doesn't matter if she's covered or not okay um here let's pull up her Instagram
07:10:35
Joyif you can pull it up there's two of them I guess all right scroll down I guess 52 okay see I told you I don't I don't have
07:10:47
Brian Atlasa conventional hold up bro you can't be you can't be Christian that's [ __ ] you can't be Christian wait go to the I think you have another Instagram let's
07:10:57
Brian Atlassee the other Instagram I think scroll down scroll down hold up wait stop right there hold on scroll up a little
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Natalie Tasha Thompsonbit damn bro that wait scroll back down I'm sorry and then I work [ __ ] hard for that ass so you should show that to your
07:11:18
Joyhusband not the internet scroll down let see the jealous he's proud of me he's proud of the work I put in bro you you in bondage uniform on the that was my on
07:11:29
Multiple Guests (02)the train track 40th birthday I did 40th birthday I'm on the train tracks yep you're pulling the the ass cheeks scroll down see I would personally prefer my like boyfriend or
07:11:40
Joyhusband to enjoy the internet no because they're going to you're going to go out in public on a date with your husband boyfriend whatever you're all dressed
07:11:51
Joymodest freaking turtleneck and then some girl you know is at the restaurant dressing good you'll think he's going to look at her be like but that's an inse
07:12:01
Natalie Tasha Thompsonyourself it is you're worried you're worried that he's going to for my man correct in private if you're going to I can wear it wherever I want and why just
07:12:12
Joybecause you you should why why is men so insecure that they can't go out and public with a woman that dresses nice it's not dress sexy it's not that it's
07:12:21
Natalie Tasha Thompsonbecause you should be saving that for your husband not for other men to be seeing you sexy in the same sense what type of message do you think you're putting out to the men around you when
07:12:33
Joyyou're advertising your body that way I said if a girl is goodlooking it doesn't matter what she's wearing a man is going to think wait but do do you believe that the Bible is the
07:12:44
Joytruth as a Christian yes okay so if I were to pull up Bible we all follow everything in the Bible no do you guys eat pork I don't eat pork okay talking
07:12:56
Brian Atlasabout SM and drink I don't smoke and drink so we all have our vices and we all so yeah but isn't Christianity like yes you're going to sin but it's a movement
07:13:07
Brian Atlaslike what does the religion even mean if it's just oh I'm just going to perpetually sin like I it doesn't mean anything you
07:13:17
Joyhave to make a movement towards attempting not to sin I think I well that's that we have different views I don't think of it a CTIC that's how I dress so that's how
07:13:28
Brian AtlasI so if I were to find verses that indicated that Christians should dress modestly would you defer to the Bible in this situation or would you just oh I'm just going to ignore that Bible verse
07:13:40
Natalie Tasha Thompsonwell do you does every Christian follow every Bible verse no probably not right but you don't get to pick and choose because it's conviction at the end of the day convicted well then that's
07:13:52
Joybetween you and the Lord Christians don't swear I have a potty mouth like crazy some Christians don't drink I don't drink some Christians smoke I mean Andrews all they smoking I don't smoke
07:14:05
Multiple Guests (02)contion so do you do you admit that it's openly sinful behavior when you're portraying yourself like that can you can you acknowledge that that is a sinful way to carry yourself because what's what you're doing is is you're
07:14:16
Brian Atlasyou're you're creating the our brothers in Christ astray they're going astray no matter how you're you're not getting my point here Timothy 2:9 likewise also that women should Adorn themselves in respectable apparel with modesty and
07:14:29
Brian Atlasself-control I mean I that's one I don't know doesn't the Bible have like something to say about bringing other women into a marriage also yes that would be yeah wait hold on I don't know why I'm
07:14:42
Brian Atlasgetting so CAU up y y'all married and y'all [ __ ] other women that hold on I I don't know why I glanced over that you're Christian
07:14:53
Brian Atlasis he Christian yeah you got a cross here there there's the cross you're wearing a cross you're Christian and you be [ __ ] other people what huh
07:15:03
Joyhow do you reconcile that I I know I mean I it's whatever you're convicted and I'm just not I'm not convicted with it with the
07:15:14
Natalie Tasha Thompsonwhole monogamy thing isn't that like kind of a big component of Christianity the whole yes monogamy well and the sanctity of marriage the sanctity bringing other people into the marital
07:15:26
Andreabed not bringing not bringing other people into the marital bed what she said that's sex is a gift that was given God to for husband and wife will you make a
07:15:35
Brian Atlascommitment here on the whatever podcast then that you and your husband will not [ __ ] another woman
07:15:45
Brian Atlasoh ever again no can I ask wait go and sin no more literally Jesus Christ go and sin no more right can I just ask you a question yeah
07:15:57
Natalie Tasha ThompsonI'm sorry to cut you off no go ahead go ahead go you get to the gates of heaven and God asks hey why'd you bring another woman into the bed what are you going to say to him at that point oh cuz
07:16:09
JoyI wanted to what are you going to say well I mean like I said we all do things we're not perfect like we all but it comes with repentance it comes with conviction and it comes with repentance
07:16:20
Joyhaven't I'm not convicted of well then honey I would really say that you should pray about that wait can we get Andrew back like I said some women some Christians are convicted on they don't cuss
07:16:31
Multiple Guests (02)me you know some do you value sex in your marriage as like a holy sacrament well yeah I mean it's like a connection between you and your husband
07:16:43
Natalie Tasha Thompsonlike do do you get where I'm going with this yeah like maybe say it you like I mean it it is it is a holy sacrament what you are doing is meant between a man and a woman first and foremost let's
07:16:55
Natalie Tasha Thompsontake the fact that you're bringing somebody else into the marital bed it is between a man and a woman and so bringing another woman into that entirely I'm not going to sit here and tell you like okay we're all Sinners at
07:17:06
Natalie Tasha Thompsonthe end of the day Sin is Sin at the end of the day but the whole point of the faith is also to have conviction over your sin in order to repent it's a
07:17:16
Multiple Guests (02)control over what like a self another self-control thing just like Andrew is saying like yes I feel hatred and jealousy all the time it's about how I control those emotions as as a
07:17:29
JoyChristian I mean I don't know what tell you as far as other than it's just not something that I I feel guilty about and and neither is my husband or else we
07:17:39
Multiple Guests (02)wouldn't do it can can I ask a question so you only bring women in and this is completely about this but like why is it wrong that you bring another man in do
07:17:50
Joyyou only do it for your husband no so it's only we've only done it a couple times and he actually doesn't hasn't slept with her it's more
07:17:59
Brian Atlasso for me wait you [ __ ] the women it's more the women is more for you yeah like but isn't that like a double sin you know what I mean because like the whole
07:18:09
Brian Atlaslike cuz you know the whole can't you know likeit can't what oh like in in the Christian faith it's like the the LGB
07:18:19
Multiple Guests (02)stuff is not acceptable that's not like every Church though into your mic can you that's not like tilt your mic down sorry sorry sorry well I mean most Main
07:18:31
Multiple Guests (02)like most churches are I mean they're not okay with it the churches got it I'm not really religious though I'm just speaking about the church or the pastor or the individual it's called scripture
07:18:42
Multiple Guests (02)yeah I have a question I don't know a lot about religion so like in your case and all of you guys yeah yeah what would God do if she was didn't have an answer it's going to Smite her down like would
07:18:55
Natalie Tasha Thompsonyou be like okay do you guys Believe In Like Heaven and Hell 100% I'm never going to sit here and question somebody like path towards heaven you know like their salvation that is not my job
07:19:06
Natalie Tasha Thompsonthat's not my Jud job to judge anybody in that that is between her and the Lord at the end of the day however biblically speaking from scripture I would say that without a course of repentance I would
07:19:17
Natalie Tasha Thompsonbe concerned about what that conviction looks like and if the holy spirit is truly in her that is that is what I would say I'm never going to sit here and say that you're going to hell for that because that's not my place to judge earlier Brian when Brian was
07:19:29
Joyreading your notes you were saying that you went through your phase for sure and you were a Christian at that time for sure so I mean let's say you were in that phase and you were on a podcast
07:19:40
Joylike this I mean you probably obviously you weren't that convicted of it at the time or else you would have stop 100% so and I would say at that point that looking back on it now was my did I
07:19:53
Natalie Tasha Thompsontruly have a belief and a faith in the Lord no because my conviction was not there now mind you even though it was something that was perpetuating even though it was a sin that I was continuing to do every time it happened
07:20:05
Natalie Tasha ThompsonI did have that conviction it was like that gut check that gut feeling even though it was not necessarily something that I was changing the behavior on immediately that's where I can say I do think that I did have an aspect of Faith
07:20:16
Natalie Tasha Thompsonbut I would be questioning my salvation at that point because even though like works is not what gets you into heaven it's not the things that you do on this Earth it is true that faith without works is dead in the sense that I'm not
07:20:28
Multiple Guests (02)going through a cycle of repentance I am not feeling that conviction and I'm not walking in a path that's holy yeah and to answer your question I mean yes there's the concept of heaven and hell but I think that God has um his own
07:20:41
Multiple Guests (02)personal dealings with every individual and he would probably have some sort of discipline in your future if you were to sin actively against him over and over and keep going back cuz that's not changing um your behavior right it's not
07:20:54
Multiple Guests (02)like you can just go to sleep every night and then sin again and sin again and sin again without any consequences there are consequences to actions and as Christians I believe it's our job to to plant the seed with other Christians when we seeing this the sinful Behavior
07:21:07
Multiple Guests (02)but it's not our job to change your heart that is that is God's job so I'm not going to confuse that but I will plant the seed that I think that you know uh your behavior um is probably not
07:21:19
Brian Atlasaligning with your belief you you just got to I mean if you got maybe you could just be not Christian anymore like you could just or you could stop [ __ ] other women would you guys consider her
07:21:30
Multiple Guests (02)a Christian that's not that's not my place to judge I think that do you think a church would consider like me or her Christian it's it's an individual relationship with the creator of the universe I think there are some
07:21:43
Joystructure churches like Catholic what's your type by the way you like like like big booty Latinos or no why you looking at me though wait her who her yeah I like
07:21:55
Brian Atlastattoos and the more all wait have you been with her with your husband it's going to oh [ __ ] they're going to do they're going to do something Jason
07:22:06
TTS Reader / BrianCastle they're coming for blood CH you look like you have downs and now after listening to the stupid BS you just said you have the mental capacity as well you are not Christian you are a heretic oh
07:22:18
Brian Atlas[ __ ] okay all right uh moving on to the next thing though just cuz we can't linger too long you said an issue you have with red pill is they are giving men dating hookup advice they're not teaching men or setting them up to have long-term health happy marriage however
07:22:32
Brian Atlasthese young men who follow the red pill movement and are taking their advice think they are getting advice to end up in marriage but they're just getting hookup culture advice I feel it's diservice to young men do you want to elaborate or add that anything on that yeah I mean the hookup culture is
07:22:44
Joythey're they're telling men to sleep around and to get experience date more than like have multiple girls and they're telling them not to um
07:22:56
Joylike we kind of touched on this earlier with um like not have things in common and not um I mean for a for a healthy happy long-term marriage to work you
07:23:07
Joyhave to have something incommon you have to have be able to be friends as well and they I mean the red pill kind
07:23:18
Joyof advises against that really don't don't don't be emotionally available for your woman
07:23:28
Brian Atlasand okay so all right um um I don't really consider myself like red pill so I'm not really going to play Devil's advate on this but uh red pill in the sense of like the red pill dating Guru
07:23:40
Brian Atlastypes I don't really consider myself I mean there's like the more generic red pill where it's like the truth or whatever I guess I would be redpilled in that uh that sense but you said that you would uh the red pill tradon movement
07:23:53
Brian Atlasteaching men to not allow or encourage their girlfriend wife to level up and become the best version of themselves dimming their light by controlling what they wear how sexy they dress where they go being on social media fitness Etc
07:24:04
Brian Atlasyeah I mean like KY we talked about it yeah I mean like we kind of already touched on that really okay did you want to give like a quick take on it
07:24:15
Brian Atlasor well I mean we I mean we pretty much touched on it I mean oh okay I I mean what what's act yeah we already talked about the whole like dressing revealing
07:24:28
Brian Atlasthing or whatever yeah uh so I won't there you said you would say modern dating has become a complete [ __ ] show on the one end of the spectrum you have red pill people and the other end women wanting princess treatment both sides have completely missed the boat on what
07:24:41
Brian Atlasit takes to be in a real long-term happy relationship both sides are only looking out for their own best interest both sides have created all these unrealistic and honestly mostly not even important rules which they call standards it has created entitlement from both sides
07:24:53
Brian Atlasneither the men or the women want to take accountability for anything they say do and it has made them very bitter toward the opposite sex yeah I mean I don't like the prize
07:25:03
Joyargument I think I feel like that's a pretty new thing the prize who's the prize and um I think the man and the
07:25:14
Joywoman are both equally important you just have different roles in a relationship but neither one is more important than the other MH yeah you say there's no who's the prize who's the
07:25:25
Brian Atlastable what do you bring to the table both parties play separate but equally important role in a Happ healthier relationship to think one person is the prizer brings more to the table than the other is only going to create resentment and bit bitterness toward the other and
07:25:38
Brian Atlasuntil modern dating let lets go of some of these unrealistic rules marriages are going to be on the decline and divorces will continue to be on the rise I mean [ __ ] I'm going to just throw out a hot take I think men bring more to the
07:25:53
Joytable I mean I think that you both have your both have equally important roles they're just different R how are they equally important like what's what's the
07:26:04
Brian Atlaswoman well she can extend your bloodline like that's that's a huge thing that I but like I guess the point of view I'm looking at it as is most people don't
07:26:16
Brian Atlasmarry the first second or third person that they've ever dated most people have dated dozens if not hundreds of people by the time and it when I say dating it
07:26:26
Brian Atlascould be just one date right by the time they finally settle down and it's like well all the like the guy not in all
07:26:36
Brian Atlascases but the guy is bringing all of those things upfront but like as a woman okay you are going to have kids but you
07:26:46
Brian Atlasdon't have kids with all of the men that you date so like they don't the men that you dated they didn't receive this value or benefit that you claim women are
07:26:57
Brian Atlasbringing to relationships the only man who's going to receive said benefit is the man who has kids with you so it's like y'all and
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Brian Atlasy'all be you'll date a guy and you want him to pay for dates but you have no you don't want to have his kids right you're like [ __ ] I don't even know if I'm want this guy for for marriage or kids or whatever so it's
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Brian Atlaslike why there's this expectation that men bring protection provision we kind of already talked about it but I think with uh the girl who's up from the table in the blue uh we already
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Brian Atlaskind of talked about it but it's like I don't think it's a good rebuttal to the question like okay men bring more to the table okay well women we have your children if you had a child with every
07:27:43
Brian Atlassingle person you dated I would agree but you don't have kids with every single man that you've dated so you got the value from him but he didn't you're
07:27:54
Brian Atlasyou're the ones who are who are making the affirmative uh claim that the value women bring is the the fact that we will we can have your kids but we don't reap
07:28:05
Brian Atlasthe benefit like we don't we could be dating a girl and never have kids with her so what are women bringing to the table outside
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Multiple Guests (02)of the kid component I guess like I agree with everything that you just said and it wasn't until I started watching your podcast where I had that perspective change um there was even
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Multiple Guests (02)like it's it's embarrassing but for years I've been mad at my husband for not getting me a push present and I don't know what episode I was watching or what clip I saw um that made me kind
07:28:37
Multiple Guests (02)of change my perspective on that but um you you are enlightening other people and I do have a lot of respect for that um in terms of women being the prize I don't think that we are the prize in any
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Multiple Guests (02)in in any way I think that men do have to put a lot more effort into what they bring upfront however um we all have you know biological advantages you guys have
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Multiple Guests (02)the ability to earn more because you guys are built to provide um whereas women we have more options available to us and that's just that's just the way
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Multiple Guests (02)that it is right so if a girl is deciding to spend her time with you she like like um you pointed out there's competition there that exists for you
07:29:21
Multiple Guests (02)that doesn't exist for for women right um so I do think that that is one thing that they bring upfront is the fact that they're choosing to spend their time with you when they probably have dozens
07:29:33
Multiple Guests (02)of other options and that's kind of why I would expect uh a guy to pay for me actually on the first date if I was to start dating again which I never will but by the way we're going to do a roast
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Brian Atlassession here starting soon guys $20 TTS for the rast session great yeah actually I feel like I got boost it ah [ __ ] it I already said it's okay it's going to be $20 TTS row session we're going to hold
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Brian Atlasoff just for a momentary moment to get to it um I guess to respond to so you're basically your position is uh women have a lot more options so well in terms of what we're bringing
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Brian Atlaslike it it we're but so you're just bringing you like you're not because I think okay the guy has to probably make the first move he has to take initiative he's got to ask for the number he's got to plan the date he's
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Brian Atlasgot to deal with you when you're flaking and reschedule the date he's got to pay for the date he's got to plan the date he's got to move things forward physically he's got to go for the first kiss he's got to move things forward physically from there moving things towards sex so it's like men have to do
07:30:34
Brian Atlasall these steps and each of those individual steps and there's a bunch of other steps there's a point of potential rejection in E each of them maybe there isn't a rejection maybe there is a rejection and so men carry the burden of
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Brian Atlasinitiative when it comes to dating and so I I don't know if it really computes for me at least in so far as like men are putting in all this initial effort
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Multiple Guests (02)typically when it comes to dating I don't think that's every situation though I didn't say that but generally speaking I mean but if you don't do it someone else will is my point so it is an unfair thing right like I'm
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Multiple Guests (02)talking about women having their advantages and men having their advantages it is an advantage that women have that they have more of options available to them that's all that's all I was meant okay but again like I I just
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Pauladon't know if that's uh I think it's just because men are the leaders it's like I look at it like men are the pilots and the women are the co-pilots so he leads with Direction um he leads
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Paulathe relationship in the direction he wants it to go um you know he does the pursuing um it doesn't mean house but I make it a home kind of thing yeah like definitely like once you're in a
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Paularelationship like women do so much for a guy and um I think just a lot of the men just don't like they've completely forgotten the value of a woman and what they contribute to a relationship and if
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Paulayou don't know what they contribute their value is then why you can you articulate what that actually is women women support their men like men typically men when they get married they make more money when they're when
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Paulathey're married like okay but what is the woman doing like what is we're supporter we can give you ideas I mean all these businessmen entrepreneurs that I follow give them ideas give them ideas well you can help promote their business
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Paulaand help them grow it help them okay that's women women have have guidance a women offer offer guidance to their men I mean they can come to them with advice they can steer them in the
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Brian Atlasright direction if you're dealing with a guy who's already set up properly he's not no offense he's not going to his grow but he could grow it more I think my boyfriend what does a
07:32:44
Natalie Tasha Thompsonwoman what does a woman bring that's all I'm at what does she bring why just think about [ __ ] is that it yo no long-term companionship that's what the
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Brian Atlasman brings too though correct but so you got uterus why is that not enough why why is it not enough for as men because you just listed 10 a dozen different things the man has to do explain to me
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Paulalike I don't think that's a lot to being control it's not a lot why are you complaining about driving the car she's the co-pilot guiding you to the destination coion she ain't the co-pilot what are you talking about yeah the man
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Paulais the leader and she's the follower so he's the pilot she's the co-pilot he's the captain she's the co- Captain why she's the supporting role she's a supporting role why is that not enough
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Paulayou guys theultimate decisions but maybe you consult your wife or your girlfriend and her opinion and she helps you come to the the final decision but it's your word but I'm just asking you to articulate I'm asking you to articulate
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Brian Atlasyou're talking all a bunch about what the guy has to do what does the girl have to do what does woman ask question hold on no no no no I want to answer before you ask this go ahead I just said