TRIGGERED Girl WALKS OFF The Show?! 4 Kids 4 Fathers?! HEATED DEBATE On Chivalry! | Dating Talk #232
Date: 2025-03-03
Duration: 8h 58m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Multiple Guests (02)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Dalia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Natalie Tasha Thompson(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader / Brian(host)
SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_11Paula(guest)
SPEAKER_12Joy(guest)
SPEAKER_13Andrea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Tessa(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:30
QuoteCourtney introduces herself as 'ageless' then reluctantly admits 28
“I'm ageless I will let that up to the viewers to decide”
00:17:23
QuoteNatalie explains: mother named her Natalie Tasha because 'Natasha' contains 'Satan' backwards
“my mom liked the name Natasha until she realized that it was a Satan backwards so she decided to make kindergarten hard”
00:25:30
RelationshipElizabeth reveals she has 4 kids with 4 different fathers, 3 have autism - largest family situation on this episode
“four kids four kids all the same father or different fathers different fathers for all four”
00:31:36
OtherKayia/Jade explains her 'civilian celibacy' - does adult film for work but stays celibate with civilians to protect her work
“the problem is like um civilians like jeopardize you know when you're when you're just interacting with people who are also tested”
02:03:00
OtherAbby's situationship drama: her situationship and her date were both at the same baseball game/bar - they all played pool together
“they both invited me to the same baseball game so I kind of like pre-warned him... we all ended up at the same bar and then we all played pool together”
03:00:00
ControversyPaula challenges Brian: if you want a submissive woman and traditional values, why won't you pay for dates?
“if that's your traditional mindset then why are you not traditional in the sense that you're not willing to even pay for a date”
03:10:00
ControversyAndrew argues women can't have it both ways: if they vote to send men to war but aren't drafted themselves, that's privilege not equality
“if all the women voted for that person all the men voted against that person they could send men off to war yes and they themselves would not have to fight that war”
04:27:12
OtherLiberty reveals she once had a date offer her lean while he was on house arrest with an ankle monitor
“he came to my restaurant... he was telling me about like oh I'm on house arrest and I was like how the hell did I get myself... he had a little lean”
06:13:00
ControversyAndrea confronts Andrew Wilson over immigration joke, calls him racist, eventually refuses to answer more questions - nearly a walkoff
“you Trump loving she clapping man... why are you guys going after Latinos... you guys literally have low IQs”
06:19:00
OtherAndrea announces she will stop answering questions due to disrespect - closest thing to a walkoff in this episode
“I'm just going to stop talking because I don't want to hold on so just to be clear you can be abrasive towards that I'm just going to literally stop answering questions”
06:48:00
Key MomentTessa reveals her Vanderbilt mechanical engineering degree while working as a bowling alley server because it pays more
“I make more money as a server than I do as an engineer”
07:00:00
ControversyAndrea argues that men who want to be chased rather than chase women might be gay
“maybe like maybe they are gay but they don't want to admit it and so like they're going after these women”
07:46:00
OtherNicole shares story: date seared her hand with a heated butter knife on a candle - still has the triangular scar
“he had a butter knife that he was laying on top of a candle and out of nowhere he like reached to grab my hand and he just seared my hand”
07:55:30
QuoteBrian delivers memorable line: 'You take the bullet, you pay for the first date' - encapsulating the chivalry debate
“you guys have rejected the social contract you take the bullet you take the bullet you pay for the first date”
08:06:00
RelationshipBody count round: Kayia estimates 100-110 as adult performer; various other guests share or decline to share counts
“probably like I'd say by now I'd estimate like 100 to 110”
08:12:00
ControversyExtended Courtney vs. Brian debate on sidewalk rule - she wants chivalry but also full independence; Brian calls out the contradiction
“you said you're a big believer in Old School values if a guy doesn't know basic etiquette like the sidewalk rule... you want a guy to die for you but you can't even change your shirt”
08:24:00
OtherNatalie shares she previously dated a ~50yo man when she was 19 in college (needed money)
“he was probably like 50 so going back to the conversation of like 50 with a 19-year-old yeah I think that's kind of kind of weird looking at it now obviously I know that I was an adult”
08:27:24
QuoteCourtney reveals she cannot carry children and needs a surrogate
“jokes on you though cuz I actually can't carry my own kids so I actually get to decide when I have a kid because I have to get a surate”
10:00:54
OtherPatrice O'Neal 'no vagina' clip played - guests answer how they'd keep their man without it
“if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right how would you keep your man”
Topics Discussed
00:05:04
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces the largest-ever panel (14 guests). Each guest gives name, age, location, occupation, education. Guests include Courtney (songwriter), Jade/Kayia (adult performer), Abby (aesthetician), Elizabeth (4 kids, 4 fathers), Liberty (furniture admin), Tessa (engineer/server), Andrea (medical assistant), Joy (business manager), Dalia (actress/student), Nicole (coordinator/makeup), Ashley (automotive GM), Natalie Tasha Thompson (nonprofit director), Paula (salsa teacher). Andrew Wilson also introduces himself.
00:21:00
Relationship Status Round
Brian goes around the table asking about relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, who broke up with who. Notable: Elizabeth's 4 kids with 4 different fathers revealed, with detailed discussion. Kayia's return to adult industry after relationship. Abby's 5-month casual situationship. Various single/casually dating statuses revealed.
01:34:30
Going to Clubs / Bars in Relationships
Debate about whether partners should be allowed to go to clubs while in relationships. Brian argues men and women face different environments (men seek, women are pursued), so it's asymmetrical. Andrew uses the 'avoid impropriety' argument. Multiple guests debate trust vs. mate-guarding. One guest (Liberty) was in a situationship where she was caught on a date at the same baseball game as her situationship guy.
03:00:00
Chivalry and Traditional Values Debate
Heated multi-hour debate on chivalry: the sidewalk rule, men paying for dates, submission in relationships, traditional gender roles. Paula and others argue for traditional chivalry. Brian challenges the pick-and-choose approach to traditionalism. Courtney's position particularly debated - she wants chivalry (sidewalk rule, door-opening) but also full independence. Andrew argues chivalry was historically tied to female virtue. Debate extends into feminism, equality, who should vote, military service.
04:33:30
Gender Swap AI Photos
Brian shows AI-generated gender-swapped versions of the guests. Guests react to seeing themselves as the opposite gender. Some self-deprecating comments, some surprise. Natalie says her male version looks better; Joy's bondage Instagram photos referenced.
04:59:30
Age Gap Relationships Debate
Discussion about age gap relationships, particularly older men dating younger women. Paula objects to large age gaps (20+ years). Andrew and Brian defend men's ability to date younger women. Discussion of when it's appropriate vs. predatory. Debate about women's prime, fertility, and relationship stability.
05:34:00
Minimum Income and Height Requirements
Brian asks all guests their minimum income and height requirements for a husband. Results vary widely: one guest wants 200k+, most want 80-150k, some don't care. Heights range from no preference to 5'10+. Andrew highlights the privilege asymmetry - men have no income requirements for women while women have high requirements for men. Brian says he has zero income requirement for a woman.
05:56:30
Women Dressing Revealing / Modesty Debate
Extended debate on whether women in relationships should dress modestly at a partner's request. Andrea strongly against restrictions - approaches men knowing how she dresses. Joy argues modesty preaching in church is harmful. Natalie and Nicole more traditional. Brian challenges the double standard of wanting chivalry but refusing to defer on clothing. Joy's revealing Instagram photos shown on screen.
06:13:00
Andrea vs. Andrew: Immigration/Politics Confrontation
Heated confrontation between Andrea (23, Oakland) and Andrew Wilson over an immigration joke Andrew made about deporting families. Andrea calls it racist and not funny. Andrew defends it as a joke. Andrea eventually says she'll stop answering questions because the conversation is too disrespectful. Multiple guests try to mediate. Discussion about whether you can be racist towards white people.
07:59:00
Body Count Round
Brian asks all guests their body count. Notable answers: Kayia/Jade ~100-110 (as adult performer), one guest 11, one guest 25-30, one guest 8, Paula refused (not over 100), Joy refused (under 100, not counting same-sex with husband), Natalie 20-25, several private/refused. Followed by discussion on whether men caring about body count means they're insecure. Nicole discusses why focus on body count is hypocritical without also addressing male porn addiction.
08:06:00
Chivalry Final Showdown / Patrice O'Neal Video
Continued chivalry debate culminating in Brian playing Patrice O'Neal's 'what if you didn't have a vagina' video to illustrate female value beyond sex. Guests respond to how they'd keep a man. Paula argues men are protectors by God's design. Brian: 'You take the bullet, you pay for the first date.' Final discussion of traditional vs. modern expectations.
08:12:00
Sidewalk Rule Deep Dive - Courtney
Extended one-on-one between Brian and Courtney about the sidewalk rule and what 'old school values' really means. Brian challenges Courtney's cherry-picking of traditional expectations. Courtney maintains her position on independence while wanting gentleman behaviors. Argument goes in circles until both sides acknowledge different people want different things.
Transcript
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01:54:03
Multiple Guests (02)like talking crap on her ex at all it was her fully supporting me and my life was changed didn't say a single bad thing about the ex hand of God no about my ex for sure no no about her no cuz
01:54:15
Brian Atlasthey were still living a single nothing no I also didn't talk about our problems very often she didn't know much uh you also said Abigail you were in a situationship and he caught you on a
01:54:26
Brian Atlasdate with another guy and then you all ended up playing pool together uh yeah wait so you you were in a situationship
01:54:35
Brian Atlasfor how long um it was like two months okay and then he caught you you were on a date with another dude was it the first date yeah it was the first date
01:54:45
Multiple Guests (02)with the other dude and they both invited me to the same baseball game so I kind of like pre-warned him and again since the situationship knew I didn't
01:54:54
Multiple Guests (02)really want anything super serious um we just ended up hanging out a lot um he was like oh well I'm going to be there too and then we all ended up at the same bar and then we all played pool
01:55:06
Brian Atlastogether okay he wasn't upset no maybe he didn't tell me that um well did you continue seeing the situationship or did it end shortly therea um I ended up kind of like
01:55:18
Brian Atlasbreaking things off with him yeah a couple weeks later CAU you on a date with another guy he thought it was funny I hope uh yeah that's okay
01:55:31
Brian Atlasum you said you feel like people are too scared to hit on others in person due to social media and dating apps most can handle rejection over the phone rather
01:55:40
Multiple Guests (02)than in person yeah when you say people do you mean men I think both ways 100% I see men and women both like scared to approach people because I think they can
01:55:50
Multiple Guests (02)do it over their phone they can send you a DM that's a lot easier to get rejected over a DM than in person but I mean women don't really have to approach people I guess in my circumstance I tend
01:56:02
Multiple Guests (02)to approach or I just do I just do weird things what do you mean what's a weird thing show us I got a guy by going like across the bar and then you did a Nazi
01:56:14
Brian Atlassalute it's more of like a yo clip it clip that [ __ ] boys clip it and ship it [ __ ] Nazi over here she just did the SE it was a salute it was a salute no
01:56:24
Brian Atlasthat's some Elon Musk my heart goes out [ __ ] clip it and ship it I don't know he liked it I guess no I'm kidding I'm um okay so you you did a a this mhm
01:56:36
Multiple Guests (02)yeah okay and that I mean it worked and we lost so that's how you approached and then wait wait wait he came up to you after you did it right no we kind of like met in the middle I kind of like started dancing him in oh I did yeah show us show us the real show us the
01:56:48
Multiple Guests (02)real give the full thing it was like show us the real goe made eye contact act it was like got to get no way there you go okay I love that was so wait was that the one
01:57:02
Multiple Guests (02)time though that you I mean I definitely do weird things I'm sure she can tell you she can she can vouch for she can vouch I'm just strange I don't know you're strange I can like go up and like you know maybe that's kind of a bit of
01:57:14
Andreaweird but like you know kind of what is that like playing with balls yeah that'ss be boots their chest hey you're not scared to too scared exactly I'm not
01:57:26
Brian Atlasscared people are scared people are scared I think there's there's probably a greater burden though on men here just because I women don't really approach it
01:57:36
Brian Atlasnearly as often they do it occasionally M uh so so then are you saying that men are scared oh sure I think men are scared but I
01:57:48
Brian Atlasthink I don't know if it's women are scared I think it's more so they just don't have to like if you were just constantly bombarded by male initiative
01:57:58
Brian Atlasand male attention you would just pick among the men who've already picked you so it's like you don't really you don't really need to approach as wom yeah but there's a dichotomy there for saying
01:58:10
Natalie Tasha Thompsonthat men are scared then women don't particularly have a pool to choose from what do you mean well we just established that potentially men are scared to approach if they are the approach
01:58:22
Natalie Tasha Thompsonso you're saying women have a pool to choose from if men aren't pursuing like approaching them then they don't have a pool to choose from well that's not I mean that's not really a dichotomy though I don't think
01:58:35
Andrew Wilsonright so the idea the idea there is just to say so these are just descriptors it's like yes men normally do pursue just because men are more worried about Pursuit than they've ever been and they're nervous about it doesn't mean
01:58:47
Brian Atlasthey still aren't the pursuers right and I I saw a statistic recently and maybe you've seen it too uh something like men between the ages of 18 to 29 like 45% of
01:58:58
Brian Atlasthem it was like 45 or 55% have never in their entire life approached a woman I don't know if it was like Pew research I saw it on Twitter I don't know the exact
01:59:09
Andrew Wilsonspecific numbers even if it like even I think without stats to back this so which there is you are you are correct or there is PE research on this for and that's just what people are saying
01:59:20
Andrew Wilsonthey've experienced right MH uh um but I mean you we can just observe this so the reason all of all of you except chair one raised your hand when you said look who do you think the pursuers are men or
01:59:31
Andrew Wilsonwomen in said men because this is what you generally see is that you've been pursued probably yourself and not been the pursuer most of the time and probably that's true of most women you
01:59:41
Andrew Wilsonknow so I mean that is factually true right that just in your in your experience it's definitely the men pursue
01:59:49
Brian Atlasit well how about this has any girl here uh not approached a guy first what do you mean like never like you went up to
01:59:59
Brian Atlasa guy I'm not counting like DMS I'm counting like in person I have at the strip club uh no okay you have I mean if
02:00:07
Brian Atlasit's someone I'm sure you've done it here guys we're we're audio too so there's people who are just listening I
02:00:16
Brian Atlasneed an affirm not just a headshake I need a yes or no yes yes I don't think so yeah I'm
02:00:28
Joyexempt who approached who with your boyfriend your husband my husband approached me no I don't think I have never done it never done it okay I have you have I never have I pursued my boyfriend so and then what about you I really don't approach I think I've Maybe
02:00:42
Andrew Wilsonstarted conversations okay yeah so I would say then if you were to ask the both my chat and Brian's chat right now for men to put ones in if they've uh they've ever
02:00:53
Andrew Wilsonapproached right whereas just on this panel there's women here who say I've never approached even one time I don't think we'd be able to find a single man who hasn't who hasn't approached well I
02:01:04
Brian Atlasmean the the stats that I I was referencing indicated that in that age demographic I think 18 to 29 45 I don't
02:01:13
Paulaknow if it's 4555 I forget the exact number uh have never approached once so those people are living online that's why they're very young 18 to 29
02:01:26
Paulathey don't get off their couch and they're always on the apps and they're always on the internet that's why they're not putting themselves out there in the real world and even trying to practice well that's really I I I I'd have to dispute that because most
02:01:38
Andrew Wilsonrelationships now are found on the internet so you're saying well you know men are men are on the internet a lot or people are on the internet a lot and that's the problem it's like not really it's actually giving you access to a way
02:01:49
Andrew Wilsonwider pool than you ordinarily would ever have had before which it could that could be problematic in different ways but most relationships now start online I didn't say it's a problem I'm just saying that's why they're not pursuing
02:02:00
Andrew Wilsonbecause they're doing everything online they pursue online yeah I also think though that they don't apprach though it's terrifying as that well yes hang on yes they are approaching online how are they not approaching if they're the
02:02:13
Andrew Wilsonsliding into the DMS they're the approachers but didn't you say didn't they say that they never approached in real life is not the statistic no I'm talking about for women for for women
02:02:23
Paulathat women aren't approaching right men are approaching well that statistic that you just said about 18 to 29 they never approached the woman that that was about men yeah men never because I said they're young and they're online in
02:02:36
Multiple Guests (02)person yeah they haven't approached in person that's all oh in person yeah yeah yeah sure but but they're approaching them online okay I think online dating is also really increase I mean I met my
02:02:47
Multiple Guests (02)boy front on henge he's a he's a great guy um I I think there's like select apps for it that I think if you're on Tinder frequently that's that's a hookup app I think if you're on hinge you're a little bit more serious so I think it
02:02:59
Multiple Guests (02)really depends on the app closer to M closer to the mic I think it's terrifying for men to approach women these days though too because women have gotten vicious when
02:03:10
Multiple Guests (02)men approach them they get accused of harassment oh I have a boyfriend and like women don't know how to turn down guys nicely anymore so guys stop trying there's like a lack of respect to's
02:03:22
Brian Atlassociety and then like also I think there is a component of with social media like if if you kind of approached and you kind of fumbled a little bit or maybe
02:03:34
Brian Atlasyou were a little like did something a bit embarrassing right and it's like well it was embarrassing in the moment but it's just it vanishes into eternity
02:03:44
Brian Atlasit vanishes into The Ether uh but now it's like with social media people are so interconnected you don't know what if she's got Tik Tok and she's going to be like oh uh I was at you know and this
02:03:56
Brian Atlasguy did this thing d d i mean we've reacted to some clips where and look men aren't always conducting themselves or acting perfectly sometimes they're weird sometimes they're goofy creepy whatever
02:04:08
Brian Atlasit is right but like a lot of women will put dudes on blast online and like men care a lot about their reputation like one of the worst things you can be labeled is a creep or you know something
02:04:20
Brian Atlaseven worse than that so like a lot of you know back in the day you know maybe you said some dumb [ __ ] whatever that was it you know uh now it's like oh man if I say the wrong
02:04:33
Brian Atlasthing or if I'm even perceived maybe I think I'm like doing everything okay but maybe the perception is oh I startled her a little bit like I she got startled when I approached now she thinks I'm creepy she
02:04:45
Brian Atlasthought I was going to like stab her or some [ __ ] I was just trying to ask for a number um I don't know so a lot of guys are kind of concerned about uh it's a
02:04:54
Brian Atlasgood point it's a good no about approaching no I'm just the like for example some there was a famous Tik Tok I don't know if this was a year ago some
02:05:04
Brian Atlasgirl lost her [ __ ] [ __ ] it went viral and she was like a guy tried to approach me during the daytime in the a parking
02:05:13
Brian Atlaslot of some shopping mall and she didn't make any suggestions that he was trying to attack her or anything she just said he was vaguely
02:05:25
Brian Atlascreepy right and I I'll agree there are men who are acting creepy ways but like there is some concern here like what is
02:05:36
Brian Atlassometimes the difference between Behavior like the determination for What's creepy is it how attractive the guy is now I want to be clear I think that
02:05:48
Brian Atlasthere are things that are whether you're the most attractive man in the world or the ugliest that are just clearly creepy across the board but I do think women will make
02:05:57
Brian Atlasa a interpretation of a scenario the exact same behavior if done by a guy who they find attractive is going to be deemed like flirting whereas if it's a
02:06:09
Brian Atlasguy you're not attracted to or who's ugly you're going to be like whoa that was really creepy uncomfortable right so I think there's a component there too
02:06:20
Natalie Tasha Thompsonyeah I agree with yeah I agree with that fully I think I just had this conversation with my CEO about this because it was like what's the difference between stalker behavior and like actually approaching and his whole
02:06:32
Multiple Guests (02)point was it doesn't matter as long as like if they're attractive nobody cares um and I think that that's 100% truth I mean I've definitely had Attractive people be creepy sure for sure like a
02:06:45
Brian Atlaslot honestly so yeah uh going back to the notes Abigail last one for you you said you're Tire tired of social media telling people how their relationship should be if the two communicate on what they want and need there shouldn't be outside
02:06:58
Multiple Guests (02)influence was this does this kind of relate to some of like the boundaries when it comes to like bars clubs or was it something else I was just more meaning of I feel like social media tells you how your relationship should
02:07:10
Multiple Guests (02)be um you see all these videos of these couples and what they're doing and it's like I feel like there's just a lot of comparing and a lot of judgment on oh my we do this in my relationship and someone being like you shouldn't do that
02:07:23
Brian AtlasI guess it's just hard cuz more people are posting online about their relationships and other people are judging it okay going to uh I wrote your
02:07:33
Brian Atlasnow lib Libby what is your yeah okay just go with lib you have a uh let's see you said the prevalence of dating apps in social media has led to unrealistic appearance standards it is commonly one of the most important aspects of a
02:07:45
Brian Atlasrelationship and it plays into the grass is always greener on the other side falsehoods now when you say this do you think this applies more to men or women
02:07:54
Brian Atlashonestly I think it applies to both both okay yeah I agree yeah perhaps in different ways but obviously CU men and women have different preferences when it
02:08:05
Brian Atlascomes to physical traits but I tend to agree with you you said once a man offered you lean on a first date now my question is did you accept did you nickname uh unfortunately did not accept can you explain some of the
02:08:18
Multiple Guests (02)viewers might not know what lean is can you explain what Le is I've never had lean for any of the viewers but I think that it's cough syrup Sprite and a Jolly
02:08:28
Multiple Guests (02)Rancher right okay that's what the rapper drink right it's like the drink really so it's cough syrup basically okay yeah he just had it in a little and you didn't accept it no was it love it
02:08:40
Multiple Guests (02)for a s though you're like wow he's drinking lean I love this guy well we started out on the date and he was telling me about like oh I'm on house arrest and I was like how the hell did I get myself you got to do a little scre
02:08:51
Multiple Guests (02)Greening before I know I should do better where' you find him them out he came to my restaurant oh I was still Ser you wait so if he's on house does he
02:09:01
Brian Atlashave like ankle question yeah I don't know how he got out of the house but that's romantic you said so sweet you said you wanted to talk about deal breakers when searching for partner so
02:09:13
Multiple Guests (02)why don't you tell us what are some deal breakers okay my deal breakers I would say are when people don't care about their families or like have very strong
02:09:24
Brian Atlasfamily core values I think that just makes Wishy wasy person when they don't have that okay all right then I think that's pretty reasonable maybe we'll get into some deal breakers for the other people later on in the show uh while we
02:09:36
Brian Atlascontinue on with the notes though why we go to Liz that's you right just double checking here uh you said you're a dancer of you're a dancer of model full-time mom for four kids four four
02:09:47
Brian Atlasfathers uh you said you had two restraining orders on your ex is that baby daddy number one or which one is that two two number two okay the same you had two restraining orders yeah good times do you still have those or they
02:09:59
Multiple Guests (02)still active no we're actually we co-parent now like so great it was it's romantic it was uh a very toxic toxic
02:10:09
Multiple Guests (02)relationship um and I I don't really toxic upbringing so I guess like I chase loved over like
02:10:19
Multiple Guests (02)what I deserved more I put the other person first so I put up with a lot when it came to the men of my life M uh were
02:10:28
Brian Atlasyou I noticed you had a spiderweb tattoo on your uh the side of your temple um
02:10:34
Multiple Guests (02)were you like affiliated with no um when I was younger I ran with a pretty rough crowd
02:10:45
Multiple Guests (02)um but the spider web so I rescue reptiles and like animals like spiders and stuff like that yeah yeah okay so
02:10:56
Brian Atlasthat the tattoo the SP it's about cute it's about you rescue reptiles it wasn't for that but I just think it's cute no okay cool uh you said that uh oh have
02:11:06
Brian Atlasyou done any other kind of uh s work besides stripping no um no only oh you do do o only fans do you do BG
02:11:17
Multiple Guests (02)content with the people I have been with I haven't just gone out and like I've never had a one night stand so I don't like go out and film with people that I'm I guess not in a relationship with
02:11:29
Multiple Guests (02)I've had one person I filmed with regularly but he was one of like my really close friends how many people you do the BG content with any of your
02:11:38
Multiple Guests (02)baby's fathers yeah that's so yeah I've done it with um my the B the last baby's dad and then prior to that was one that my friend that also
02:11:49
Multiple Guests (02)did O what's BG cont boy girl content okay so P the wait your friend that also did yeah so he did O and we had been friends for years but we collabed a few times
02:12:02
Brian Atlasbecause we didn't have anybody else I guess to how many different men have you done BG content with for only fans yeah two two okay um you said though uh any
02:12:12
Brian Atlasescorting no no escorting okay uh you said you disagree with the outlook on sork and you would love to share that not everyone that does it wants to yeah so me being a single mom I am very
02:12:26
Multiple Guests (02)traditional and I know we're going to probably have fights about this on podcast hold on wait you're very traditional very traditional wait hold on say it one more
02:12:36
Multiple Guests (02)time I am very traditional with my My Views you're which which ones
02:12:45
Multiple Guests (02)so with my okay so with my relationships um I didn't to have four baby daddies I didn't go out of my way to do that um I was with by the third
02:12:57
Multiple Guests (02)one though okay the third one you know then it's kind of like the third one I was supposed to have my tubes tied with my daughter the third one was I was
02:13:06
Multiple Guests (02)hooking up with someone I've known for years and it happened and just happened it happened just I went to go get my tubes tied after my son mhm my doctor's
02:13:17
Multiple Guests (02)license got pulled he skipped town and then I went to to my new doctor to sign like to sign the waiver for my tubes and they were like you can't you're pregnant oh good times good times oh but hold on
02:13:29
Brian Atlasreally wait traditional yeah but you you do porn you strip wait how is and I don't want to be
02:13:40
Brian Atlasdoing those things at all but you know it's kind of like a vegan I'm a vegan but I eat meat but I still eat meat a couple times a week you know what I
02:13:51
Multiple Guests (02)but I but I want to not eat me it's not that it's if I wasn't dancing right now or doing o I wouldn't be able to support my kids oh um the only reason I started dancing was
02:14:04
Multiple Guests (02)because in November my daughter has a brain CST and is losing all mobility and Phoenix Children's Hospital is no longer helping um so I have to get her to
02:14:14
Multiple Guests (02)Boston we she's a medical mystery right now um I'm sorry and then on top of that I'm also raising three kids with autism so I homeschool I have up to five six
02:14:27
Multiple Guests (02)doctor's appointments a day with these kids I don't have time for a 9 to five but I have to still support my kids H really well there's a a bunch of
02:14:37
Andrew Wilsonproblems with what you just said like one okay so you have an O uh why is there a requirement that you do BG content on the E if if
02:14:48
Andrew Wilsonyou're Outlook right because it's about money right so the the thing is is uh and what was the timeline with the last time you did BG content to the time you started stripping um I honestly haven't
02:15:00
Multiple Guests (02)been active on my only fans for probably the past six seven months after me and my kids's dad split up I haven't been making content so this was before then
02:15:11
Andrew Wilsonyou knew that um that one of your children needed to have this extensive care from Boston so the thing is is like you were still doing the non-traditional stuff before you started the stripping
02:15:22
Andrew Wilsonfor the money yeah I was but it was with the person that I planned on marrying why would that make it traditional like oh I plan on marrying you so I'm going to go do a porn with you that's how's that traditional that's
02:15:35
Multiple Guests (02)we needed the extra money for the kids at the time I when we started it he has three kids of his own I was basically raising wait wait I was basically
02:15:44
Multiple Guests (02)raising seven kids okay and he has a job I take it yeah he great money but it wasn't enough and I also we need we needed the extra money
02:15:57
Multiple Guests (02)have you considered other jobs like photography or real estate like I mean Realtors great make great money I don't have time to go to Real Estate School I
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Multiple Guests (02)don't my time is consumed by my kids and then when I go and dance it is I go in at 6 7 8:00 at night and work until 3
02:16:17
Multiple Guests (02)4:00 in the morning and get my kids back at 5: can I say something think um with with dancing like honestly it is super flexible you can um choose how many days a week you work you can make a lot of
02:16:29
Multiple Guests (02)money in a short period of time so I definitely get where you're coming from I needed I needed the fast you could do that with a sales job too true but you can't just you can't just really hop
02:16:39
Multiple Guests (02)into sales like real estate is really easy hop into sales if you're good at it you know an online course and then you you schedule your own showings yes I mean there's definitely other options out there but I was just inter Sal
02:16:51
Multiple Guests (02)aren't you selling your body I mean yeah technically it's still sales but I mean in a more professional setting usually you can't just like walk in and be like give me the job in sales you can come commission sales commission sales work exactly the I've never done Prof if you
02:17:04
Multiple Guests (02)guys have some ideas send in my way because like if one of my my 2-year-old is severe so when he has a bad day I can make that choice of oh I'm just not going to go in work tonight I can't what's the situation with the the with
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Multiple Guests (02)the baby daddies do they not give you any child support and why not no so the old son my oldest son is his dad's the only one that's on child support and he's
02:17:26
Multiple Guests (02)$30,000 in debt with child support um my daughter's dad doesn't pay anything but he's also 50/50 with my daughter um and I don't necessarily believe if they're
02:17:39
Multiple Guests (02)active in my kids' life why are they paying child support because because they created a child I understand but he's supporting that child at his house and not only that if I don't you think your children would rather have their
02:17:51
Multiple Guests (02)fathers pay you child support than you promote your body online my kids don't know well they will they will one day one day one day but also if I need anything for my daughter he does help
02:18:01
Andrew Wilsonbut right now my daughter is who I'm trying to get to Boston and so me and her daugh are both saving up to do that can I make a suggestion why would you wait why would you need to save up if you have that many kids wouldn't you be
02:18:13
Multiple Guests (02)on like Medicaid or something like that so with it being in Boston Insurance she's on access insurance doesn't cover out of state and they don't have like programs to assist I'm looking I looked at every
02:18:26
Multiple Guests (02)program I'm actually looking at like a fling program right now for her that's going to like hopefully pay for the flight out there but she could be needing back surgery she could be needing brain surgery we don't know I'm
02:18:37
Multiple Guests (02)really sorry to hear that um so I don't know exactly what your daughter has but when you said back surgery I don't know if you've looked in Shriner's hospitals
02:18:46
Multiple Guests (02)for kids they I have a metal spine um they did my entire scoliosis surgery when I was a teenager for free and covered like the brace the care after
02:18:58
Multiple Guests (02)everything they do take on cases it's just something to look into cuz it would it I mean was free way how do you know that you're 2-year-old has autism he got
02:19:09
Multiple Guests (02)diagnosed how do you get how do you get diagnosed with autism at two we took him to access for autism after so my oldest son got diagnosed this year he was in
02:19:18
Multiple Guests (02)the mental hospital um and they had me test my other kids they my baby at the time was too little they had me test my my daughter and then they had me test my
02:19:30
Multiple Guests (02)one-year-old at the time and he got diagnosed with severe and he's been diagnosed by two different facilities at 2 years old at he was one and a half when he got
02:19:41
Multiple Guests (02)diagnosed what symptoms did your kids present that made you feel like you needed to seek that diagnosis so with my oldest I always kind of knew um how the he would do like self harm injuries
02:19:55
Natalie Tasha Thompsonat what age did this start around one where he self har at one around like yeah because like my baby punches herself in the head all the time and me in the face and that's I wouldn't I wouldn't claim that as autism or wouldn't think that that was an
02:20:08
Multiple Guests (02)autistic I didn't say that he did those things like the head banging he does uh he did um the not being able to calm him down the biting the it there was certain
02:20:20
Multiple Guests (02)things the particularly like lining things up in a specific way he wouldn't play with the toys but tear them apart and try to put them back together examining things so with my oldest I
02:20:31
Multiple Guests (02)knew um he didn't get diagnosed until 7 years old okay um my daughter I honestly didn't think she would get diagnosed but she did um she's a level one so she's highest on the Spectrum uh my baby was
02:20:44
Multiple Guests (02)doing the same thing my oldest did so my 2-year-old he was head binging he he is so right now he's non-verbal he doesn't point he doesn't make eye contact he doesn't respond to his name he doesn't
02:20:56
Multiple Guests (02)and sorry how old is he he's two now he's two um do you do do you or the father present autistic traes as well so they I am actually diagnosed with um
02:21:06
Multiple Guests (02)border line and when I was talking to their doctor they said I was probably misdiagnosed and it was probably I probably have autism which now that I'm
02:21:16
Multiple Guests (02)I look I look more into it I can see the line coming down my family where I was probably the one that passed it especially because they have different
02:21:26
Multiple Guests (02)dads makes sense is autism genetic what was it is autism genetic M at all the time or just or can be they're still studying it they
02:21:38
Multiple Guests (02)usually say it's off the dad's side but given that kids do have different dads they said it's most likely coming from my side of the family can I ask you a question I'm not assuming I'm just
02:21:47
Paulacurious are your kids vaccinated childhood vaccines okay stop stop dude stop we can't dive into that stuff oh
02:21:56
Multiple Guests (02)not on the show oh you it yeah YouTube doesn't like it okay okay can I ask you a question about dancing does it like diminish your self
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Multiple Guests (02)worth at all like does it make you like feel less of yourself 100% I feel absolutely disgusting doing it um it is
02:22:17
Multiple Guests (02)making me great money it is really fast easy money but there's times where I'll be sitting at work and I look around I'm like what am I doing here because I know I am so so much more than being in that
02:22:31
Multiple Guests (02)club and this is no offense I know you dance but I I hate when I hear dancers say I have no problem doing it because it's
02:22:40
Multiple Guests (02)like even aren't you coping a little bit by calling them dancers what is it aren't you kind of coping already by calling them dancers I mean it's respect what what like what are they actually it's just like a proper term I mean when
02:22:53
Andrew Wilsonyou're referring I guess you don't really term I mean I don't really like to around dancers the only one who wants to be called the dancer is the stripper right that's the one who wants to be
02:23:04
Andrew Wilsoncalled the dancer the truth is is that they're strippers I only say it just CU that's even by way that's even more accurate because you can be in the club and stripping without doing any dancing
02:23:15
Andrew Wilsonwhatsoever no dancing required at all you can just take your clothes off minus any dancing that's why it's a way more accurate term actually I am probably the
02:23:25
Multiple Guests (02)worst stripper because I work in a club that you're not allowed to show any you have to wear pasties you can't show anything on the bottom I won't take my top off I won't take off my bottoms I
02:23:37
Multiple Guests (02)will sit there and dance but I'm not going to show you anything I don't care how much money you were going to give me and I still make great money doing it so I guess in that terminology I am a dancer because I'm not taking off my
02:23:48
Multiple Guests (02)clothes oh but but you do only fans yes you are definitely taking off your clothes what are you talking about while I'm saying they're dancing I'm not am I walking around in skimpy lingerie 100%
02:24:00
Multiple Guests (02)but I'm I'm not sitting there taking off my top on the pole so you don't take them off and then it shows the pasties ever that doesn't happen that's not part of your
02:24:11
Multiple Guests (02)show no I'm honestly I'm insecure about my chest too so no yeah and none of girls in the club
02:24:21
Andrew Wilsondo that I mean the girls that I work with do yeah so it's strip they're strippers right they're strippers I mean yeah you're at a stripper yeah they're strippers just not
02:24:32
Andrew Wilsonyou you're not the you're the only non I'm techn a stpp I get it I get it I'm just saying it's but it's definitely not Coke it's not Coke right you because you wear pasties and stuff so therefore you
02:24:44
Andrew Wilsonknow and you don't you don't technically take the top off you just already have the top taken off so technically it's not stripping right so okay I get it it just uh just sounds a little bit like
02:24:55
Multiple Guests (02)cope to me that's all why why why is there a difference between not exposing yourself at the strip club but um doing it on only fans like what can you tell me the difference between theform no
02:25:05
Multiple Guests (02)difference why do you feel like in one in one Department you can do this and the other you're full out doing porn on the on the internet like what's the
02:25:14
Multiple Guests (02)difference between the two honestly it's the iners the more I feel more um vulnerable at the club because I can get touched I can't you know what I mean
02:25:26
Natalie Tasha Thompsonit's just it's more RIS and it's 100% like the same as like I'm more comfortable on the internet because you're control just the internet you know what I mean well it's not just
02:25:37
Multiple Guests (02)the internet the internet forever not in person it's it's less intimate can I um with in person too I guess you have to put be more personal what do you mean
02:25:49
Andrew Wilsonit's less how can it be less intimate if you're [ __ ] a dude on the camera how is that less intimate stripping in the let me ask a question hang on hang on how could
02:26:00
Andrew Wilsonit be less intimate to be [ __ ] a dude on a camera and then disseminate that to the public than it is to walk through a strip club with pasties on like what
02:26:13
Multiple Guests (02)how's that less how's that less intimate I'd rather [ __ ] a dude on the internet than [ __ ] a dude in a room of 3 different people it's less I don't feel like all of the eyes are on me is what
02:26:25
Multiple Guests (02)I'm saying yeah but how can I be less intimate than stripping well because when you're stripping you're getting intimate with people you don't know when you're making a video on only fans it's with someone you know right so getting intimate and
02:26:37
Andrew Wilsongetting close to people who are just random strangers is obviously a lot different than someone you person yeah but there's still going to be degrees to it you're saying when you're talking about intimacy you personally knowing the person or not knowing the person is
02:26:50
Andrew Wilsonnothing to do with a degree of intimacy we're talking about having sex with the person versus not having sex with them right because it's a lot easier to have somebody just send me a message back than me be at work and talking to
02:27:02
Multiple Guests (02)somebody and him grab my ass or him touch me or it's I feel safer on the internet yes it's not just the internet because it's it's there forever I'm never going to get rid of that and I'm fully aware of that but when it comes
02:27:13
Multiple Guests (02)down to it it's I'm hiding behind a screen versus in person you can also control your response you're you know think about what you're going to say whereas in person like you have facial
02:27:25
Multiple Guests (02)reactions body language to think about and like sometimes you know you just blurt things out without really thinking whereas on your phone you know you have time to sit there and think before you
02:27:36
Andrew Wilsonsend a message okay to be to be totally blunt I'm just going to put this as bluntly as I possibly can if you're if a guy is putting his penis inside of you
02:27:46
Andrew Wilsonon camera how could that not possibly be more intimate than walking around a strip club with py on I'm not talking about safety I'm not asking about your safety concern well I'm not talking about walking around feel more you feel
02:27:59
Andrew Wilsonmore or less safe right I'm I'm saying how could it possibly be that this is a less intimate act than the other one how it wasn't that it was a less intimate act it's it's exactly what I said before I'm
02:28:11
Multiple Guests (02)hiding behind a screen it's easier to do stuff on the internet just like there's keyboard Warriors and people would say stuff on the internet they'd never say in person I would never sit there and [ __ ]
02:28:22
Multiple Guests (02)somebody in person in in a room full of 300 people that are watching me but on the Internet it's a lot easier to do it hiding behind a screen well I mean but but wait but wouldn't you though like if the money was right no I wouldn't
02:28:35
Andrew Wilsonbecause you wouldn't well why not because you wouldn't do any of this except it was for money right no so why so why is it that you why is it that you would draw the line there between like oh now there's a live viewership with a
02:28:45
Andrew Wilsonmillion dollar versus the strip club paycheck of 3,000 and A9 or whatever it is why would you delineate uh based on money if that's what the entire motivation is anyway why I understand
02:28:58
Andrew Wilsonthat's what my motivation is but I could never [ __ ] somebody for money I I yes you literally can and have me already [ __ ] you literally have [ __ ] dudes for money I don't know if like the whole
02:29:10
Multiple Guests (02)point of only fans only fans but it's somebody that I've had kids with and I've already been in a long-term relationship if somebody is going to sit there and hand me $300 and be like [ __ ] me I wouldn't do it a million dollars I
02:29:23
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't do it but if I'm already going to sit there and sleep with my kids's dad and I'm already that's not wait wait wait you didn't just sleep with your kid's dad slept stop coping you also
02:29:33
Andrew Wilsonslept with another only fans Creator who was not your kid's dad in exchange for what medium of currency honestly I probably would have
02:29:44
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] him either way I just wait did you [ __ ] him before you made the content with him yes oh okay so the thing is is
02:29:53
Andrew Wilsonuh as long as so as long as I can give you a guy you would ordinarily [ __ ] uh then it's okay to have the cameras on
02:30:02
Andrew Wilsonyou probably oh okay H Al all we're really doing is establishing price in conditions right I mean if I'm already going to be sleeping with them and I'm making if I could make money off of it
02:30:14
TTS Reader / Brianthere's no issue o donated $200 I'll fly you guys to Boston if that genuinely the only thing keeping you from trying another career and you don't like the one you're in Brian can connect
02:30:26
Multiple Guests (02)us after the show if that's the case she's got four kids bro that's a lot of flights that's a lot of flights it's just me and my daughter and honestly if you can fly me out and my daughter out to Boston I'll quit dancing and quit
02:30:38
Brian Atlasdoing only fans I'll delete it has to be you have to sign a contract that's fine to that effect to fly so he just he just has to fly you you and your daughter to Boston yeah hotel hotel no CU I'd stay
02:30:50
Multiple Guests (02)in the hospital with my daughter I'll give you a couple hundred myself like oh look at that so if I can oh beautiful get the flight to Boston easy I'll quit dancing and I'll quit doing only fans please give me a reason to stop wait
02:31:02
Brian Atlaswhere are you living right now it has to be I'm in Phoenix Arizona it has to be permanent make you have to make the agreement permanent no sex work I will sign a contract oh draft up the Ogle
02:31:14
Brian Atlaswe'll [ __ ] it we'll have her sign that [ __ ] in studio on camera be amazing your attorney draft that [ __ ] up or just draft that [ __ ] up yourself send it to the whatever Instagram we we'll have her sign the contract and uh yeah
02:31:27
TTS Reader / Briandonated $200 0% sing here just to be clear but if that's what's in the way of a solid life going for with that lfg yeah yo any lawyers in the chat who want to
02:31:39
Unknown Backgroundvolunteer no this is Ogle you're stupid Ogle stop Ogle she's going to sign the contract prostitutes just stop being [ __ ] prostitutes like what
02:31:53
Multiple Guests (02)prostitution the only reason I'm doing this is to get to Boston I would love to get to Boston this before Boston was even a thing we already went over this yeah but I was not dancing before Boston
02:32:06
Andrew Wilsonwas even a thing you were already humping dudes for money on the internet what are you talking about what's the trip to Boston cost you like what is what is the dollar value that you're trying to achieve to be able to do this
02:32:17
Brian Atlasdeter that send D we figure figure out um hold on let's get back to the let's get back to the notes here so um you said you disagree with Outlook on sex work did
02:32:30
Brian Atlasdid you get into that so far what was it I mean I know you guys you and Andrew have just been discussing it for the past 20 minutes but what do you when you say you disagree with the outlook on sex work what do you
02:32:40
Multiple Guests (02)mean I exactly what I said before where I don't think anybody that's act actively doing it likes doing it mhm
02:32:50
Brian Atlasokay I mean there are some women who are degens and they do like doing it though deep down I don't I don't agree with that but I also there just like some Deens who also don't agree with people
02:33:02
Multiple Guests (02)that are dancing and doing of content and everything being called prostitutes because in the end of the day you don't know why I'm doing it you don't know what's causing me to do this like I said if I can get my daughter to Boston I'll
02:33:14
Multiple Guests (02)quit doing all of it right now I absolutely hate doing it why would that matter like nice that you disagree with the term prostitution right it's nice that you disagree with that but that doesn't mean
02:33:26
Andrew Wilsonit's not prostitution right you're just saying I prostitute myself and I have a noble aspiration or Noble motivation okay I can concede that you can do a bad thing with Noble intentions right I can
02:33:39
Andrew Wilsonconcede that that is true that you prostitute for what you consider to be a noble intention but let us not mince words it is indeed prostitution so when I stopped doing it my going to be labeled The
02:33:51
Andrew WilsonProstitute ex no you're going to be labeled as a woman who engaged in prostitution likely see I don't so you don't you can't put it like you can't put it back I don't get to be like well
02:34:02
Andrew WilsonI stopped murdering that mean I don't get labeled as as somebody who's not a murder it's like no unfortunately um you don't get you don't get a new reputation like it doesn't you
02:34:15
Andrew Wilsoncan build you can build well okay you can build a new reputation right but just the stopping of an activity that doesn't give you a new reputation I think it's the term I I understand what
02:34:26
Multiple Guests (02)I'm doing and I hate that it had to get to the point of me doing this because I I hate being considered one I hate that I am one it's disgusting there's many women who've had
02:34:38
Andrew Wilsonthe culmination of circumstances in which they've ended up with children out of wedlock including with multiple parents or multiple fathers of those
02:34:47
Andrew Wilsonchildren okay uh many women have been in that situation and have not prostituted themselves so the thing is is like you can't say that the culmination of your
02:34:57
Andrew Wilsonchoices which ended in you making the decision to make yet another bad one is the responsibility of anybody except you I understand that yeah so I mean I don't know why you
02:35:09
Andrew Wilsonyou why do you take issue with the term prostitution it's embarrassing like I'm going to be very blunt with you you are a prostitute I know that that probably doesn't feel great to hear but it is in
02:35:20
Multiple Guests (02)fact the truth and I understand that but it's me being a mother and me doing this because I have to make it for my kids
02:35:31
Multiple Guests (02)like I hate the fact that I I hate the fact that I am one I guess it is hard hearing but it's it's embarrassing for not only myself but my kids how long have you been dancing yes I've only been
02:35:43
Multiple Guests (02)dancing for 3 months just just like look you ready for this stop doing it you only been dancing for that's that's the way to go and O for how long um like a
02:35:55
Multiple Guests (02)year how long have you known about your daughter's brain surgery that she need so can pull it up she's been hospitalized multiple
02:36:06
Multiple Guests (02)times over the past two years but we found out about the brain cyst we have been fighting with the children's hospital for the past 2 years we finally got confirmation that they couldn't help her in
02:36:18
Multiple Guests (02)November and then shortly after that I started dancing I just want to add something that um just just to let you know I I'm I have a very pro life stance so I think it's admirable that you went
02:36:29
Multiple Guests (02)and you had these children I believe children's are the ultimate blessing um and being a mother is the main purpose that I seek in life uh I think your
02:36:39
Multiple Guests (02)choices are poor but I disagree with Andrew that you can't become new again because I believe in my Christian faith that you absolutely can be renewed with
02:36:48
Andrew WilsonJesus and not not what I said wait that is not what I said you said you're always she hang on hang on and even if she accepts the Redemption faith of Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior it's
02:37:01
Andrew Wilsonstill not going to buy her a new reputation and you can pretend all you want that it will right she'll be renewed in her faith she be renewed in her soul and she'll be renewed in spirit
02:37:11
Andreait does not buy you a new reputation anymore than it bought Jeffrey dmer a a new reputation when he converted you can't comp murder to sex work that doesn't make sense thank you for making
02:37:24
Andrew Wilsonthe distinction but what I was what I was trying do you know what an analogy is any comp hor analogy anything any comparison that I make between two things which are different are always going to be different from each other
02:37:37
Andrew Wilsonthat's why we analogize so that we can make a comparison I'm not saying she's a murderer I'm not saying that what she's doing is equal in moral weight as murder I'm just making a simple analogy that your reputation as murderer doesn't go
02:37:49
Andrew Wilsonaway because you sto murdering any more than your reputation of having been a prostitute goes away because you sto being a prostitute if you can tell me how that's incorrect I'd like to hear it
02:38:02
Multiple Guests (02)now no it's not incorrect but the like I appreciate you clarifying and making that distinction but what I was just trying to tell you is that um what you're doing today it doesn't determine
02:38:13
Multiple Guests (02)your worth going forward you can stop doing what you're doing and there's not anyone on this panel or any one of your viewers that is going to tell you what you're worth I believe we're all equal
02:38:24
Brian Atlaswhen you say worth what do you mean I I mean her soul like what okay but let me ask you a question could a Christian man make a determination that he doesn't want to date her of course ofely absolutely because of her past action
02:38:35
Andrew Wilsonyes and you have you have you have to what is he basing that on her past he's basing that on her reputation so the thing is is like look it is true that we all need salvation right and it's one of
02:38:48
Andrew Wilsonthe best motivators in the world to stop sinful activities but I'm also not going to [ __ ] you and tell you that that you your reputation won't preced you because it does and by the way if the whole point of the Salvation is to get a
02:39:00
Andrew Wilsonnew reputation in the first place you probably shouldn't be moving towards Christianity because that's not what it's for it's not there to buy you a reputation that's not what it's there for you don't exchange the soul for a reputation that's the antithesis of what
02:39:12
Andrew WilsonChristian ethics but you can be forgiven in Christianity for the past and move forward yes but forgiveness itself does not
02:39:23
Multiple Guests (02)erase the things that you have done 100% it does not a not in a worldly resp not in a worldly perspective but in a spiritual perspective you can become yes
02:39:37
Brian Atlasmhm okay okay uh let's see here um going back to your notes uh we talked about the whole trying to get to Boston thing uh you say
02:39:49
Andrew Wilsonnot all yeah not all sexers want to do sex work I mean Andrew that's a good point right Jesus forgave Judas but Judas reputation is as
02:40:00
Andrew Wilsonwhat what's judas's reputation the betrayer right they're like you literally will call a person a Judas if they stab you in the back right
02:40:10
Andrew Wilsonthat's the whole point so like e even that the forgiveness is there right but it you know the thing is like the reputation is what it is you have kids
02:40:22
Andrew Wilsoncorrect and you would do absolutely anything for the kids especially if they were sick no I wouldn't do anything I would do things within the confines of the ethical purview of Christianity for
02:40:32
Andrew Wilsonmy children anything is asking for that's a tall order that's asking for something that is uh like would I compromise my ethical standards for my
02:40:42
Andrew Wilsonkids to some degree probably right but I would I wouldn't uh like there would be limits that I would put on that would you start an only fans Andrew like oh
02:40:53
Andrew WilsonAndrew you know would you would you STP maybe maybe if the compromise was like so this is a this is a hard conundrum right within the ethical purview so I
02:41:03
Andrew Wilsonjust want to answer as honestly as I can um like if if there was gun to one of my kids heads we're going to pull it if you don't start an only fan yeah I probably would then under duress right under that
02:41:15
Andrew Wilsonsort of extreme duress but if it was something like there's a monetary objective which there's a possibility to reach in any other way than this particular one that's for the Health and
02:41:28
Andrew WilsonWelfare of my children then I would obviously go for any of those which uh were not conducive to sin that would be what my primary goal would be right so the thing is is like I don't think I think you can in this sense in the
02:41:41
Brian Atlasethical sense kind of have your cake and eat it too I think you can do both Andrew let me ask you a question let's say in some I mean this almost is her scenario at least as she describes it
02:41:52
Brian Atlasalmost is a the hypothetical scenario I'm going to give you she's attempted other avenues uh say other avenues have been attempted and exhausted a mother
02:42:04
Brian Atlaswho loves her children needs to pay for a health care procedure uh otherwise the child's life may be at risk in order to do so she does sex work and then quits
02:42:15
Brian Atlasimmediately thereafter after the medical uh scenario has been resolved yeah do you give any quarter then or even then if it comes at the potential yes of course of course that would be that
02:42:27
Andrew Wilsonwould completely change the way that the situation was viewed of course it would the problem is is in this situation she was doing prostitution before such medical condition was known to her when
02:42:38
Andrew WilsonI was paying for my children's therapies before they got on DDD yeah no there's other ways to pay for therapy like I have a child who has autism and uh guess what I never had I
02:42:49
Andrew Wilsonnever went and stripped right instead I went and got this thing that we like to call a job and uh and I went and worked at it really really really hard and it couldn't come up with in Meet most
02:43:01
Andrew Wilsonmonths somehow still managed and she's thriving who watches your kids while you it's hard out there I know but uh but I did it who watches your kids while you work my wife okay so me not having a
02:43:12
Andrew Wilsonsignificant other and you guys are really against like other people raising your kids correct no it's situational like when you're talking about optimums you're talking about what is optimal you
02:43:24
Andrew Wilsoncan't always reach what is optimal like the idea if you're a single mom and you're going to have to have babysitting like that is that's going to be a necessity right is it optimal no but being a single mom in the first place
02:43:36
Andrew Wilsonisn't optimal you're already out of that situation right it's like what we don't what we don't want to find is like compounding situations with more and more bad decisions that's the point of it and I would absolutely love to have
02:43:48
Multiple Guests (02)people babysit my kids but with me not having much of my at all any of my family's help and the only person that I do have helping me is my daughter's dad and my baby's dad um me finding a
02:44:00
Andrew Wilsonbabysitter child care in Phoenix is extremely expensive which I would expensive everywhere yeah so that's almost out of the question but you also get tons and tons of of social welfare
02:44:11
Andrew Wilsonand all sorts of things which are handed to you not assistance hang on including assistance with child care which that is the case even in Phoenix and I'm sure I can look it up right now and I'm sure
02:44:23
Andrew Wilsonthat that is the case that you will get uh some sort of financial aid when it comes to babysitting go ahead what's your question um I'm not judging you I think everybody
02:44:35
Brian Atlasshould do you know what makes them happy what but um even drug dealers anyways I think I think that's a valid question but go ahead go ahead was
02:44:46
Multiple Guests (02)that a question or a statement I think it was a question um a good option like that you can do
02:44:56
Multiple Guests (02)that can make you a lot of money is live streaming I mean Tik Tok beo all those things I'll let you guys talk about that after the show though I mean we can find her Solutions let's it's just something
02:45:07
Andrew WilsonI wanted to put out there but all right okay thing is is like I don't know like every situation is different and all situations should be appraised based on
02:45:18
Andrew Wilsonthe situations itself there's all sorts of people who are in terrible situations that are not of their own doing and trying to make the best of it I get that I understand that and I also understand
02:45:28
Andrew Wilsonthat there can be social stigma applied to people that unfairly so because they're in situations other people normally put themselves in because they don't care or they don't give a [ __ ] or
02:45:39
Andrew Wilsonthey're just bad people I get that right but in this particular situation it does not actually appear that all avenues were exhausted but rather
02:45:49
Andrew Wilsonthat you were you're using this now as a standard for which to say I only do X activity which I consider to be bad on
02:45:58
Andrew Wilsonbehalf of my one of my children whereas before you were doing same said activity bad activity before this thing bad was happening to that child so
02:46:12
Andreait's donated $999 pop champag I've been waiting for this moment all right uh give me one of the
02:46:23
Daliabig give me the big one the big one like what's what is this champ like legitimately awesome okay wait like how
02:46:34
Daliaare you not supposed to get everything else wet though that means woman in
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Brian Atlasthe all right I'm going to need some extra cups Damian if you can get me those much appreciated yo Ogle thank you for the champagne pop man guys W's in
02:46:56
Brian Atlasthe chat for our boy ogul here coming in with some he's flying this chick out to freaking Boston he's flying around the Boston
02:47:07
Brian Atlasthank you and uh he also popped a ball of champagne so appreciate it uh Andrew while I am uh opening this bottle and I'm surely going to struggle for a
02:47:17
Andrew Wilsoncouple minutes can can you ask them a a question unrelated to uh stripping yeah sure sure yeah it was uh I guess the the mood got a little bit
02:47:30
Brian Atlasheavy there we'll kind of Bring It Back something lighter so um can we do some self ratings Brian oh Lord what I was hoping just like
02:47:42
DaliaAEF something else something brief something else self raing wait what okay what like a one to 10 scale for what scale how you are basically what what
02:47:54
Andrew Wilsonyou think yeah he wants to say to save it so I guess I can ask Tessa a couple of questions uh is it is it Tessa you're that's the engineer correct I'm I'm reading my
02:48:06
Andrew Wilsonnotes here yes sir yeah it's a big panel so uh so bear with me okay uh so how did you get into writing um software for
02:48:17
Tessacomputers with mechanical engineering how did that how did that happen um I just did like a bunch of interviews when I was looking for a job and then I had mechanical
02:48:28
Tessaengineering internships but it just wasn't as interesting to me I guess and software stuff I didn't know it so there's a big learning curve and like it was just more interesting and also like to be straight up with you there's just
02:48:40
Tessamore money in software engineering than mechanical engineering as well so um well I don't I don't know if that's the case but um okay well I I mean that's
02:48:51
Paulawhat I do right so you do mechanical mhm oh cool okay robotic specifically yeah oh not on the almost got on the camera
02:49:04
Multiple Guests (02)that's awesome oh my God the champagne popped bad news it's on the floor on the floor everywhere oh that sounded like a mess
02:49:14
Daliawow wow is that that was a lot that was that was a lot no it almost got on the computer I'm
02:49:23
Dalialike being so real it did oh it did get on it oh PC just got champ yeah I know for real but yeah I was going to ask you so
02:49:36
Andrew Wilsonwhile he's while he's doing that I know that it's difficult when there's other things going on but from the viewers aspect this the show is still going right they don't they can't see Brian they can't see any of that going so if we can stick here why is it though that
02:49:49
Tessaif there's so much money in this that you work at a bowling alley um I don't know I want to I have a student loan I need to pay off so I wanted some extra money um and I wanted
02:50:01
Tessato become a server and then train at the bar so I'm training at the bar right now so that I can bartend and I don't know I just wanted some extra money and I had extra time and I like to be busy so and I have friends there I've made a lot of friends
02:50:13
Brian Atlasthere so it's kind of fun so no overtime at work does everybody want champagne oh everybody here is over 21 right I don't drink yeah
02:50:24
Brian AtlasI I don't that's fine but thank you oh my god half the bottle's gone yeah I know guys so Ogle uh wow this giant ball of champagne half of it spilled out