TRIGGERED Girl WALKS OFF The Show?! 4 Kids 4 Fathers?! HEATED DEBATE On Chivalry! | Dating Talk #232
Date: 2025-03-03
Duration: 8h 58m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Multiple Guests (02)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Dalia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Natalie Tasha Thompson(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader / Brian(host)
SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_11Paula(guest)
SPEAKER_12Joy(guest)
SPEAKER_13Andrea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Tessa(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:30
QuoteCourtney introduces herself as 'ageless' then reluctantly admits 28
“I'm ageless I will let that up to the viewers to decide”
00:17:23
QuoteNatalie explains: mother named her Natalie Tasha because 'Natasha' contains 'Satan' backwards
“my mom liked the name Natasha until she realized that it was a Satan backwards so she decided to make kindergarten hard”
00:25:30
RelationshipElizabeth reveals she has 4 kids with 4 different fathers, 3 have autism - largest family situation on this episode
“four kids four kids all the same father or different fathers different fathers for all four”
00:31:36
OtherKayia/Jade explains her 'civilian celibacy' - does adult film for work but stays celibate with civilians to protect her work
“the problem is like um civilians like jeopardize you know when you're when you're just interacting with people who are also tested”
02:03:00
OtherAbby's situationship drama: her situationship and her date were both at the same baseball game/bar - they all played pool together
“they both invited me to the same baseball game so I kind of like pre-warned him... we all ended up at the same bar and then we all played pool together”
03:00:00
ControversyPaula challenges Brian: if you want a submissive woman and traditional values, why won't you pay for dates?
“if that's your traditional mindset then why are you not traditional in the sense that you're not willing to even pay for a date”
03:10:00
ControversyAndrew argues women can't have it both ways: if they vote to send men to war but aren't drafted themselves, that's privilege not equality
“if all the women voted for that person all the men voted against that person they could send men off to war yes and they themselves would not have to fight that war”
04:27:12
OtherLiberty reveals she once had a date offer her lean while he was on house arrest with an ankle monitor
“he came to my restaurant... he was telling me about like oh I'm on house arrest and I was like how the hell did I get myself... he had a little lean”
06:13:00
ControversyAndrea confronts Andrew Wilson over immigration joke, calls him racist, eventually refuses to answer more questions - nearly a walkoff
“you Trump loving she clapping man... why are you guys going after Latinos... you guys literally have low IQs”
06:19:00
OtherAndrea announces she will stop answering questions due to disrespect - closest thing to a walkoff in this episode
“I'm just going to stop talking because I don't want to hold on so just to be clear you can be abrasive towards that I'm just going to literally stop answering questions”
06:48:00
Key MomentTessa reveals her Vanderbilt mechanical engineering degree while working as a bowling alley server because it pays more
“I make more money as a server than I do as an engineer”
07:00:00
ControversyAndrea argues that men who want to be chased rather than chase women might be gay
“maybe like maybe they are gay but they don't want to admit it and so like they're going after these women”
07:46:00
OtherNicole shares story: date seared her hand with a heated butter knife on a candle - still has the triangular scar
“he had a butter knife that he was laying on top of a candle and out of nowhere he like reached to grab my hand and he just seared my hand”
07:55:30
QuoteBrian delivers memorable line: 'You take the bullet, you pay for the first date' - encapsulating the chivalry debate
“you guys have rejected the social contract you take the bullet you take the bullet you pay for the first date”
08:06:00
RelationshipBody count round: Kayia estimates 100-110 as adult performer; various other guests share or decline to share counts
“probably like I'd say by now I'd estimate like 100 to 110”
08:12:00
ControversyExtended Courtney vs. Brian debate on sidewalk rule - she wants chivalry but also full independence; Brian calls out the contradiction
“you said you're a big believer in Old School values if a guy doesn't know basic etiquette like the sidewalk rule... you want a guy to die for you but you can't even change your shirt”
08:24:00
OtherNatalie shares she previously dated a ~50yo man when she was 19 in college (needed money)
“he was probably like 50 so going back to the conversation of like 50 with a 19-year-old yeah I think that's kind of kind of weird looking at it now obviously I know that I was an adult”
08:27:24
QuoteCourtney reveals she cannot carry children and needs a surrogate
“jokes on you though cuz I actually can't carry my own kids so I actually get to decide when I have a kid because I have to get a surate”
10:00:54
OtherPatrice O'Neal 'no vagina' clip played - guests answer how they'd keep their man without it
“if you didn't have a vagina like say it was a terrible train accident right how would you keep your man”
Topics Discussed
00:05:04
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces the largest-ever panel (14 guests). Each guest gives name, age, location, occupation, education. Guests include Courtney (songwriter), Jade/Kayia (adult performer), Abby (aesthetician), Elizabeth (4 kids, 4 fathers), Liberty (furniture admin), Tessa (engineer/server), Andrea (medical assistant), Joy (business manager), Dalia (actress/student), Nicole (coordinator/makeup), Ashley (automotive GM), Natalie Tasha Thompson (nonprofit director), Paula (salsa teacher). Andrew Wilson also introduces himself.
00:21:00
Relationship Status Round
Brian goes around the table asking about relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, who broke up with who. Notable: Elizabeth's 4 kids with 4 different fathers revealed, with detailed discussion. Kayia's return to adult industry after relationship. Abby's 5-month casual situationship. Various single/casually dating statuses revealed.
01:34:30
Going to Clubs / Bars in Relationships
Debate about whether partners should be allowed to go to clubs while in relationships. Brian argues men and women face different environments (men seek, women are pursued), so it's asymmetrical. Andrew uses the 'avoid impropriety' argument. Multiple guests debate trust vs. mate-guarding. One guest (Liberty) was in a situationship where she was caught on a date at the same baseball game as her situationship guy.
03:00:00
Chivalry and Traditional Values Debate
Heated multi-hour debate on chivalry: the sidewalk rule, men paying for dates, submission in relationships, traditional gender roles. Paula and others argue for traditional chivalry. Brian challenges the pick-and-choose approach to traditionalism. Courtney's position particularly debated - she wants chivalry (sidewalk rule, door-opening) but also full independence. Andrew argues chivalry was historically tied to female virtue. Debate extends into feminism, equality, who should vote, military service.
04:33:30
Gender Swap AI Photos
Brian shows AI-generated gender-swapped versions of the guests. Guests react to seeing themselves as the opposite gender. Some self-deprecating comments, some surprise. Natalie says her male version looks better; Joy's bondage Instagram photos referenced.
04:59:30
Age Gap Relationships Debate
Discussion about age gap relationships, particularly older men dating younger women. Paula objects to large age gaps (20+ years). Andrew and Brian defend men's ability to date younger women. Discussion of when it's appropriate vs. predatory. Debate about women's prime, fertility, and relationship stability.
05:34:00
Minimum Income and Height Requirements
Brian asks all guests their minimum income and height requirements for a husband. Results vary widely: one guest wants 200k+, most want 80-150k, some don't care. Heights range from no preference to 5'10+. Andrew highlights the privilege asymmetry - men have no income requirements for women while women have high requirements for men. Brian says he has zero income requirement for a woman.
05:56:30
Women Dressing Revealing / Modesty Debate
Extended debate on whether women in relationships should dress modestly at a partner's request. Andrea strongly against restrictions - approaches men knowing how she dresses. Joy argues modesty preaching in church is harmful. Natalie and Nicole more traditional. Brian challenges the double standard of wanting chivalry but refusing to defer on clothing. Joy's revealing Instagram photos shown on screen.
06:13:00
Andrea vs. Andrew: Immigration/Politics Confrontation
Heated confrontation between Andrea (23, Oakland) and Andrew Wilson over an immigration joke Andrew made about deporting families. Andrea calls it racist and not funny. Andrew defends it as a joke. Andrea eventually says she'll stop answering questions because the conversation is too disrespectful. Multiple guests try to mediate. Discussion about whether you can be racist towards white people.
07:59:00
Body Count Round
Brian asks all guests their body count. Notable answers: Kayia/Jade ~100-110 (as adult performer), one guest 11, one guest 25-30, one guest 8, Paula refused (not over 100), Joy refused (under 100, not counting same-sex with husband), Natalie 20-25, several private/refused. Followed by discussion on whether men caring about body count means they're insecure. Nicole discusses why focus on body count is hypocritical without also addressing male porn addiction.
08:06:00
Chivalry Final Showdown / Patrice O'Neal Video
Continued chivalry debate culminating in Brian playing Patrice O'Neal's 'what if you didn't have a vagina' video to illustrate female value beyond sex. Guests respond to how they'd keep a man. Paula argues men are protectors by God's design. Brian: 'You take the bullet, you pay for the first date.' Final discussion of traditional vs. modern expectations.
08:12:00
Sidewalk Rule Deep Dive - Courtney
Extended one-on-one between Brian and Courtney about the sidewalk rule and what 'old school values' really means. Brian challenges Courtney's cherry-picking of traditional expectations. Courtney maintains her position on independence while wanting gentleman behaviors. Argument goes in circles until both sides acknowledge different people want different things.
Transcript
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02:50:36
Brian Atlassomehow uh some of it got on my $3,000 streaming setup oh it's all your fault Ogle I blame you and
02:50:46
Brian Atlasum that's pretty been a jerk this whole what a jerk with his $1,000 canell such a jerk oh it's getting it's uh yeah so anyways um thank you ogal though appreciate it thank you thank you uh
02:50:59
Brian AtlasI'll get that poured out here in just a moment uh everybody want some or I'll take tiny tiny bit do you do you want any just a little bit so you're the only person who doesn't want any I don't want
02:51:10
Daliaeither no no no no everybody else a little bit yeah just a little okay so I'll just say like 11 cups okay like that go ahead and go ahead because I think Andrea I don't know if she wants
02:51:22
Daliaor not the one who's sitting here I think we'll just pass down yeah and then whoever chooses it gets it okay the go ahead Andrew tell us something
02:51:33
Andrew Wilsonleft yeah well no I was just I was just curious um you know CU you say that software engineering pays you a bunch they just don't offer you any overtime there or what no I'm on salary um oh
02:51:46
Tessayeah I don't know I guess I didn't think that deeply about it I just had extra time and I don't know I I don't know how long I want to stick with engineering and so I kind of like to have a backup plan in case I want to switch it up so
02:51:58
Andrew Wilsonyeah I have a question for you how long did you go to school to become a mechanical engineer four years how many four four years yes sir and yeah and you got a degree in mechanical engineering
02:52:10
Andrew Wilsonyes sir okay can you can you get real close to the mic for me just real quick sorry yeah yeah can you tell me what is a selenoid a selenoid
02:52:21
Tessayeah uh I'm trying to remember does it is it like a a a uh current conductor I'm trying to remember I feel
02:52:30
Andrew Wilsonlike this was circuits right his face yeah okay okay um one one more one
02:52:45
Tessamore can you can you describe for me what is a sprocket a sprocket a sprocket oh I haven't worked with this stuff in a while
02:52:59
Tessaum honestly I don't really remember maybe you can give me some software questions or or math questions maybe that'd be a little better I don't remember all the definitions I was just
02:53:10
DaliaI was just curious that's okay no worries uh cheers to Ogle Salo Sal water
02:53:20
Brian Atlascheers all right thank you Ogle for the uh champagne Pop I do appreciate it uh sorry all right we have a super chat here from Randon Bradford you don't have to be a corn model to get by in Phoenix
02:53:34
Multiple Guests (02)especially when you're a single parent with kids do you want to respond to that quickly yeah and I am again like I've said attempting to get on the resources to help with that it's a long process
02:53:45
Brian AtlasBrandon I appreciate your Super Chat thank you very much uh uh okay moving on to the next person we have Paula is that you back there me all right you said you
02:53:55
Pauladon't know if age matters that was because when I was applying for the show I wasn't sure if you had to be younger to be on the show so that's why I said that oh you said I so you said I don't
02:54:07
Brian Atlasknow if age matters but I I can assure you I don't look 40 hey Dam Daman was struggling a bit too I did you did eventually eventually
02:54:19
Brian Atlasafter I thoroughly loosened it afterwards you did open it um so there is that there is that so but thank you Damien you know what I think it is is
02:54:31
Brian AtlasI've been leaving these champagne bottles vertical and the cork dries out and I'm pretty sure that's why it makes it difficult if you you're supposed to
02:54:42
Brian Atlasleave champagne on the side so the cork doesn't get all dried out I did not know that yeah so I'm pretty sure you know that's why you see like wine bottles and champagne bottles like in they're typically on their
02:54:54
Brian Atlasside so we've been storing them vertically that's our mistake um okay so Paula your notes though uh you can assure you don't look 40 okay but you said no crazy stories no crazy dating
02:55:07
Paulastories other than a couple of guys who wanted to split the cheap ass bill lol well now that I think about I do have a couple crazy dating stories but uh I haven't had to worry about split splitting the bill in a long time it's
02:55:19
Brian Atlasnot really a part of my reality right now what do you mean not a part of your reality cuz you're not I don't run into that I do then you do date okay yeah when I date recently within the past two
02:55:30
Paulayears no one ever they always pay for the bill they don't expect me to chip in I don't really run into that issue anymore but in the past I have but just from far as I can remember like one time um a guy asked me to go to the gym with
02:55:43
Paulahim it was a different gym a really nice one and um the day pass was $20 and he went ahead of me and he only paid for his own I was like okay like you invited me to go to the gym with you and you can't even pay $20 for my day pass so I
02:55:56
Brian Atlaswas just like okay noted oh mhm so he invited you to the gym you didn't pay for your day pass was
02:56:04
Brian Atlasthere second date there was oh mhm third date there was fourth date no fifth date no did you guys do the jersey shffle or whatever
02:56:15
Paulait's called Jersey I don't know wait so did he for the dates that came after the second one was a drink he did pay for it the third one we went to a haunted house I invited him with my friends and um he
02:56:28
Paulabought his own ticket and I bought my own ticket oh mhm so it sounds like more like a like you guys are hanging out as friends then it was supposed well it was
02:56:37
Paulathe intention was dating but uh that's just how he is oh how what what is he some another girl at the gym went out with him too and she she said the same
02:56:48
Paulathing he's just not he's not really a gentleman oh you're not a gentleman if you don't pay for correct did he like open your doors and stuff though I don't remember why why does that make you not
02:56:59
Paulaa gentleman I just believe wholeheartedly in the masculine and feminine Dynamic and I believe that men are the ones who protect and provide men are the ones who pursue and I'm just really big on the
02:57:12
Brian Atlastraditional gender rle so I believe that a man should pay for a date what do women what are women supposed to do oh what do you mean like in a relationship or in a marriage you just listed out like three or four things well women
02:57:23
Paulanurture so it depends on where you are in the relationship so you think that nurturing is means nothing that it's like yeah what does it mean it means to raise the children and take care of the children oh how many children do you
02:57:35
Brian Atlashave zero oh okay so just to be clear you received all the traditional benefits throughout the entirety you're 40 you've had multiple boyfriends you've dated a whole bunch of men you've
02:57:47
Paulareceived all the traditional benefits I haven't really but you I haven't been treated that well that I've received really much there's not much there's not much effort on the guy part what I'm saying is it depends on where you are in
02:57:58
Paulathe relationship so if you're married with kids I believe the men protect and provide I don't expect a man to pay my bills when I'm just dating him but in a marriage that's that's what I expect and
02:58:10
Paulathen the woman would be home take care of the cleaning the laundry the cooking take care of the children raise the children so I think the when you get to
02:58:18
Paulathat point the roles are different yeah what go ahead go ahead continue well that's a big role for women do a lot in the household like
02:58:30
Brian Atlasthat's a big that's a big role so here's the thing though and it's an important one too that's cool but here's the thing that only start so you're saying women don't have any roles or duties or
02:58:42
Paularesponsibilities prior to marriage or having kids um I think in the beginning the men should be the ones to court and
02:58:52
Brian Atlaspursue a lady sure that's fine right but what do women have to do absent some vague down the road maybe she'll have your kids because the vast
02:59:05
Brian Atlasmajority of first second third dates where men have paid it didn't lead to a relationship it didn't lead to children so I would suspect that while this might be a future Duty that you might have as
02:59:17
Paulaa woman what like what are you supposed to do as a woman early on well I don't think men should be expecting something in return just
02:59:30
Brian Atlasbecause they paid for dates you're either a gentleman or you're not oh I didn't I didn't I'm not making the suggestion that men are owed sex I'm not making the suggestion that men are owed sex we're spending time with you like we
02:59:42
Brian Atlasyou ask us out on a date well companionship so why do you ask a girl out the same thing right so why do every hour that you're there I'm also there so what what are you doing as a woman that's different why what else do I need
02:59:54
PaulaI don't need to match his exact I'm not a man so I don't have to act like a man to be with a man are you submissive in relationships I haven't been in a relationship in a while so when you were in
03:00:05
Paularelationships they weren't really masculine I think yeah I mean I was pretty so you're the Arbiter of what's masculine why were you dating them then this is like 20 years ago I don't really remember like I think it was pretty but
03:00:18
Pauladon't you date well back then I had a different mindset like back then it was a little bit more equal like I I I did pay for dates when I was dating these men back then okay so I wouldn't say like you know I I guess I just find it
03:00:30
Brian Atlasinteresting like you were able to Rapid Fire out like three or four different things that men need to or should be doing on the first date or at least early on in a relationship but when I just asked you
03:00:43
Brian Atlasthe simple question okay well what are women supposed to do it's just like I don't know we just you get our presence it's like okay okay I'm saying men protect and provide what do and what
03:00:55
Paulalike if we're walking along the sidewalk they walk on the outside of the sidewalk they just protect us why for safety reason why should men do that because a car can kill you just as
03:01:06
Paulawell as he can it can kill him because they're they're men and that's what men do men are the ones who that's what they do that's what they do in their masculine energy they they protect women and children
03:01:18
Brian Atlasthey stand up for people wait so on the first date you a man should protect you well in a way like like but you say he should walk on the middle of the so on the first date the whole lik walking closer to no it just means that he just
03:01:29
Paulalike guides me to the car and puts him his hand on the small of my bag walks me to the car holds the door for me it's just gentleman it's just chivalry that's simply it we're not getting into fights he doesn't need to fight anyone for me
03:01:41
Brian AtlasI'm just saying it's just silver sh that's fine why does he need to walk on the inside of the street on the outside the street or the no the guy supposed to walk on the inside of the street no he
03:01:52
Paulawalks on the outside where the cars are it's I mean the inside well I don't like force them to do it but it would be nice if they walk on the outside just it's just a protective thing they're just
03:02:03
Paulaprotecting someone who's smaller than them someone who's more vulnerable than them it's just what you do like if they saw an old lady I would hope that they would help the old lady so it's just something like would you say oh why does
03:02:16
Brian Atlashe have to help the old lady cross straight he doesn't it's just a kind um okay gentlemanly thing to one thing at a time here so when it comes to the I think we were talking about the same thing I'm using inside outside what I
03:02:28
Paulathink we're talking about the same thing yeah he walks closest to the road yes okay so we should he should why cuz he's because it's an in is it's is it's his
03:02:40
Brian Atlasinnate nature to protect but so the reason for that is as the man he walks closer to the road that way if a car is barreling at you he
03:02:51
Brian Atlasdies instead of you or he's injured instead of you so do you think that he should allow her to die instead of him well we can get there but you're you're suggesting that men have a duty to
03:03:03
Paulaprotect women on the first date at all always all times even if yes even if we're out and say you're just out on the street and you see a woman um getting
03:03:14
Paulaattacked I would hope that another man would protect her and step in if need be not just let her be vulnerable and get hurt or whatever huh it's just it's in their nature to protect yeah there's I
03:03:27
Brian Atlasmean there's a couple different things there but I guess my question is so you expect a guy even on the first date to whether the chance is extremely rare
03:03:36
Brian Atlasor not you want him to essentially be willing to sacrifice his life for you on the first day getting a little extreme I mean that's not going to happen right it's not going to happen but that would
03:03:48
Brian Atlasbe like that's the basis well should I be the one can you stop interrupting go ahead you got to let me finish that would be the basis by which like for what other reason would you want a man
03:03:58
Brian Atlasto walk closer to the street it's in some rare scenario it's like a gesture if a car comes barreling at you it puts him in a position to Shield you and for
03:04:10
Paulahim to take the hit from the car whether that results in injury or death well it's in their innate nature to protect women and children that's always been
03:04:20
Paulaare women children yes women and children so women don't no are women children not no I said women and children are
03:04:30
Brian Atlaswomen children no okay they can they still have a duty to protect women because women are not as strong as men women are more vulnerable Okay cool so now that we've established
03:04:42
Brian Atlasthat men have duties what duties do women have women are nurturers women are there to support you women you already said that but what duties do women have in the early stages of a relationship
03:04:54
Paulaokay well you just have to think about why are you asking a woman out in general because you have a romantic interest in her and you want to date her and you want companionship so and she gets the exact same thing in return
03:05:05
Brian Atlasthough yes okay and okay uh well here as long as you're okay with should claims as it relates to men men should do XYZ should if a woman
03:05:17
Brian Atlasif a man should protect you a man should provide should women be submissive yes should women cook and
03:05:27
Paulaclean yes if a man tells his girlfriend to go make him a sandwich should she do it I mean you don't have to say it like that but yes she there's no reason why she can't cook him her boyfriend a
03:05:39
Brian Atlassandwich you can say we can frame it in this flowery away as you like um should women be virgins
03:05:49
Paulawell they really should be we're not but we should 99% of like that's what God right right right that
03:05:58
Paulais what God intended and I think that it he had that intention for a reason and it's we would have less problems I think if we all waited yes
03:06:11
Brian Atlastotally okay okay but it's just interesting there's so much traditional expectation on men when it comes to their behavior and their conduct and there doesn't really seem to
03:06:21
Brian Atlasbe much uh traditional expectation on women to fall into their traditional gender roles you you'll even have you'll even have liberal feminist women who
03:06:33
Brian Atlasinsist or demand or want men to pay for dates be protectors be providers but they're like the most modern Progressive feminist women ever I don't subscribe to feminism so so like for you when you
03:06:45
Andreapursue women and you're going out with them do you expect did youate was your microphone always that high I I don't know maybe I'm just watching oh okay that's fine but so do you expect something out of women when you're getting to know them in the beginning
03:06:58
Andreawhat do me expect like things in return like okay the woman is expecting you for like you to pay the meal and like things like that what are you expecting from her
03:07:09
Brian Atlaslike yeah sure I mean if there's an expectation on her end that I'm going to be providing so paying for dates and whatnot first off my expectation starts something like this um if you have
03:07:21
Brian Atlasexpressed a interest in me and it depends really how we meet um if we if it's sort of I'm not going to give the scenario where she's contacted me first for
03:07:33
Andreaexample but no yeah it's you you pursue her first yeah I'll tell you this if she wants a second date with me there there can't be other dudes in the picture Okay so first
03:07:45
Brian Atlasloyalty but I expect it I mean ideally I'd expect to be dealing with a girl that's not [ __ ] another guy so I don't want to be dealing like I don't even want to take a girl out if another dude is sexually in the picture like
03:07:56
Brian Atlasthat's an immediate 100% deal breaker she's [ __ ] a dude I don't care if they're not in a relationship he can have her like I don't want to deal with a girl who's [ __ ] other men now if she's dating other men I could sort of
03:08:09
Brian Atlasunderstand if it's like you know she's dating but she's not sleeping with them if we go on the first date if she wants a second date it has to be a rap with the other dudes MH I want a almost immediate romantic and sexual uh
03:08:21
Brian Atlasexclusivity I I don't know if the I suppose it would be exclusivity but um without a title though you're not in a Rel you're not going to put a title on it yet this is how people have dated for
03:08:31
Brian Atlasthe vast like up until very recently 20 years ago typically people would date one person at a time it wasn't I have a roster of five people I'm [ __ ] three
03:08:41
Daliaof them I don't agree with that it was it was date one person see how that goes oh doesn't work here's the next person I do prefer that I think
03:08:51
Multiple Guests (02)honestly I we would all be way better well I'm not everybody but In Perpetual situationships what do you have um isn't that based on mindset though like me personally I'm a demisexual I've never
03:09:04
Multiple Guests (02)been able to date two people at once that's just not how I operate but like some people can and whatnot so it's just like a mindset thing right what you're saying are there yeah I agree that
03:09:15
Multiple Guests (02)there's poly people out there like PE dat multiple people excuse me does that make you poly though if you're just trying to find like who you click with what do you mean like by going on multiple dates whether it's sexual or
03:09:27
Brian Atlasnot uh I don't think it would make you poly if you are dating multiple people and there's no sex involved but if there were sex involved I think you'd be uh
03:09:38
Brian Atlaspoly yes okay you'd be having SE you'd have be having sexual relationship with multiple people at the same time um but in addition to that my other expectations would be uh there would be
03:09:50
Brian Atlassome expectations when it came to difference in the relationship if you want me to be a leader you have to be a follower two people can't lead so if I'm the leader you got to follow so you have to defer to me on
03:10:02
Brian Atlasdecisions agree yeah yeah so you want a submissive basically I yes I want a submissive woman ah okay well it's not even necessarily A some people bring that
03:10:13
Brian Atlasinto BDSM but I think submission can exist external to BDSM okay can I say something so it's just a traditional mindset basically sure yeah can I add something
03:10:25
Paulaas well uh well you go first cuz you asked um so you want I agree with you by the way Brian I'm very much into that there's a leader and a follower and if that's your traditional mindset then why are you not traditional in the sense that you that you're not willing to even
03:10:37
Paulapay for a date because if you're going to be traditional men traditional men protect and provide and you're already like protesting that like your innate nature you're protesting but you still want to missive girl so it does really
03:10:49
Brian Atlasline up it's super simple so of the women that I've dated more recently uh I'm taking care of everything however okay uh my previous experience is like I
03:11:00
Brian AtlasI used to be on dating apps this is like two years ago um I was meeting a lot of women on dating apps and so the expectation on dating apps is I have to go in with the Assumption and I even if
03:11:12
Brian AtlasI were to ask Point Blank I'd probably also assume they might lie to me I have to assume there's another guy the picture I have to assume they're [ __ ] somebody else so like I'm not really
03:11:21
Brian AtlasKeen I don't think unless the girl has made it abundantly clear that she's not dealing with other men I don't really want to be the sucker who's taken her on it out on the date because she's just
03:11:33
Brian Atlaskind of bored but she's actually got one or two or three other dudes and she's sleeping with one of them I'm not taking a girl out on a date and paying for her [ __ ] and then she [ __ ] her situationship later that night W it's
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Brian Atlaswindy guys it's it's all good don't worry about it um so excited for the drive yeah so my position is like um I don't really think men should be out
03:11:57
Brian Atlashere providing for women unless the woman is coming with genuine intention so like as a girl if you've got a roster you're you're dealing with multiple men like or you don't even have to be
03:12:09
Brian Atlassleeping with another dude but if I'm on a date with you and you're telling me you got three other dates lined up for the rest of the week
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Brian AtlasI I'm not pay yeah I don't if if you're dating with intention and like I in that situation I'm not paying I'm not paying but but if you're
03:12:29
Brian Atlasactually about me like that's not you can get if you're then why are you going out with her what do you mean if you don't want to maybe she hasn't made that Revelation until I'm out on the date like I might ask her something casual like oh so like how's the dating life
03:12:42
Brian Atlasbeen so you're going to take her out have a meal and then ask her are I've I've been in situations where I've asked a girl out on a date and we get to talk and and she's telling me Oh I have five
03:12:52
Brian Atlasother dates lined up this week I'm like eh I've lost interest but um but I've also vetted women beforehand I'll always try to do a phone call or something be like yeah what's your situation are you dating other people are there other guys
03:13:05
Brian Atlasinvolved I'm I hope they be I hope they're honest sometimes they might lie so you never know but if you're dealing with a girl who has a genuine interest in you then yeah I'm going to take care of everything that's fine but okay then we agree but uh but in order for you to
03:13:18
Brian Atlastake care of everything they have to fall into the traditional role sure but keep in mind I I mean when it comes to traditional uh there I I don't think it's All or Nothing
03:13:31
Brian Atlasnecessarily um I think there's some variance when it comes to more traditional or less traditional for example like I don't want to get married
03:13:40
Brian Atlasfair so you you could have quarrel with my rather non-traditional position there mhm um and uh you could say okay well you
03:13:51
Brian Atlasshouldn't have sex until marriage I don't believe in that either so am I 100% like Stone not Stone Age like Bronze Age traditional no not
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Brian Atlasnecessarily but like in terms of like the relationship Dynamic that I find is the most optimal it's leader follower
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Brian Atlasand then she can't be like involved with a bunch of other dudes I don't think it works did you say you don't want to get married I don't want to get married no
03:14:20
Brian Atlascan I ask why mhm yeah I mean there's a whole bunch of reasons um one I don't think the government needs to be involved in my
03:14:29
Brian Atlasromantic life uh I'm not a fan of the government for a bunch of reasons but uh yeah they they probably shouldn't be the
03:14:39
Brian Atlasadjudicators of my relationship with my uh the girl I'm seeing and then also there's just significant financial ramification ation to that and divorce and unwinding marriage if you're religious by all means but okay yeah
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Natalie Tasha Thompsonthat's what I was going to say I mean I think I'm a firm believer that if you're not doing it in the context of like the marital Covenant that there's actually no point to get married in the first place well I mean and just to be clear
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Brian Atlasthough all of my quarrels with marriage equally apply to religious men and Christian men okay however I think that
03:15:12
Brian Atlasthat for Christian men they have I suppose a positive justification that exists that coincides with all the
03:15:22
Brian Atlasnegative uh ramifications of uh a marriage failing so divorce but I understand the the reasons and the the reasons for
03:15:33
Brian Atlasreligious marriage secular marriage makes no sense to me do you have any other questions do you still consider yourself traditional uh I mean I suppose some people like Andrew
03:15:46
Brian Atlasprobably would not view me as traditional Andrew is an Orthodox Christian he'd probably advise people to wait until marriage to have sex doesn't believe in premarital sex he believes in marriage so I don't consider myself to
03:15:58
Andrew Wilsonbe traditional I don't consider my I so in modernity I'm not sure that we can really have traditionalism anymore so that like the ideas you guys are going
03:16:08
Andrew Wilsonback and forth on about uh things like shivalry um well chivalry chivalry is now inconsequential there's no incentive for men to be chival so shivalry used to be done for the
03:16:19
Andrew Wilsonpurpose of a virtuous woman you know uh who was chased and who was following kind of higher virtues and you you showing your forms of chivalry were
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Andrew Wilsonshowing yourself as being a good mate right or that you had virtues equal to hers that's why she would select you but um I I see no reason for men to be
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Paulashival maternity if women have equality that makes no sense she she says what so you disagree not a femin I'm not a feminist in any I don't subscribe to
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Paulafeminism guarantee it you do guarantee no I I I'm not about the I don't I don't believe men and women are equal and should be equal I think they're different I think they're equal their roles are equally as important I just
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Paulathink they're different so so then they're equal no their roles are just as important as the other role but totally different that sounds like equality to me I don't think we should if if I was
03:17:15
Andrew Wilsonlet's say I was a CEO of a company and I went to two people and I said your roles are completely equal but different uh do you think that those two
03:17:25
Andrew Wilsonpeople now think the other person's the boss or has higher value than them or anything like that or do you think that they think they're equal no I just think that can you
03:17:36
Andrew Wilsonanswer my question real quick you confused me say it again yeah so if your boss came to you and said Your Role is different than this other person you're working with but just as important
03:17:47
Andrew Wilsonright yeah has he hasn't he just established equality between the two of
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Paulayou um I think they're equal in importance yeah so they equal they're just as important as the other so
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Paulayou maybe equal in a sense but I don't think you should treat people treat men and women equally like um like I don't think women should be
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Paulalike holding the door for men or protecting men or laying or going to war like I just what you don't believe that women should like protect and care for their Partners
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Paulain a to the same extent in a sense I don't think women should be the one who like go and fight no you draft him up draft the women holding
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Paulaon the door huh like well I mean like if he's behind me I'll hold it I'm just saying that I'm not going to act like a man I'm not going to go around and open the door for him and walk him to his car
03:18:52
Multiple Guests (02)and I'm not going to in this world you know if my partner if we were parked in a sketchy spot and like he was going to walk alone sure I'll walk him to his car what the
03:19:02
Andrew Wilsonheck just very very quickly back to this um so I I understand I think I understand what you're saying so to be as charitable as I can be to you you're just saying like look men and women are completely different yeah right but
03:19:14
Andrew Wilsonthey're they're similar in value right correct similar in value okay I get it but you if you agree then that men and women are different shouldn't they have different privileges in
03:19:26
Andrew Wilsonsociety um give me an example like for instance um why should women vote
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Andrew Wilsonum yeah I see I don't think we should take it to that extreme I think women are but wait women are pretty intelligent and can wait wait I thought wanted the privilege of men to fight
03:19:48
Andrew WilsonWars so why do you get to vote on whether or not they go and fight them I think women can vote because they're pretty intelligent and they can make a simple decision on they vot to make men go and fight Wars on their
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Andrew Wilsonbehalf and even though so that sounds like a position of privilege to me it sounds like feminism well you have to also think about ifang hang on hang on let answer before The Sisterhood gets involved we'll get everybody promise
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Andrew Wilsonjust I would just like to just real quick finish the exchange right do you think that men should be able to or women should be able to vote to send men to war to vote to send men to war
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Paulamhm I I don't know I think men should go to war I don't know about voting for it I do you think women should go to war uh no then you have put women in a position of privilege do you see because what
03:20:37
Andrew Wilsonyou've said now is that women should be allowed to vote for you to go to war but they themselves will never have to fight the war that they voted you to go and fight now do you understand why you're actually talking about a distinction of
03:20:48
Andrew Wilsonprivilege rather than you're not even talking about equality now now we've passed that now we've gotten into feminist privilege the idea of men and women are different so me as a woman I
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Pauladeserve [ __ ] because men can do things I can't do I didn't say I deserve [ __ ] I'm just saying well well do you deserve to have women protect you I think men should fight to protect men are the protectors
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Andrew Wilsonand the providers they're stronger than us then why is it that women get to say in in how they conduct that fighting and protection I don't know do they get a say in that I yes sh can votes can women
03:21:22
Andrew Wilsonvote in female politicians who can authorize War acts can't male politicians do that too
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Andrew Wilsonsure and can women vote those politicians in yeah I mean for so then what you're saying is is that women can essentially vote like let's say a politician runs on a platform let's say
03:21:44
Andrew Wilsona politician runs on a platform of I'm to go to war with this country over here okay whatever whatever country that is and all of the men vote against that politician but all the women vote for
03:21:57
Andrew Wilsonhim in her scenario what would end up happening is men would have to go and fight the war that they didn't want to go fight on behalf of women who and women themselves would not have to
03:22:06
Multiple Guests (02)participate in said war right I mean I think women have a lot of roles in the military it doesn't have to be question before you shift can
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Andrew Wilsonyou answer my question first okay can you theor yeah so theoretically isn't it the case that if women all voted for a single politician and all the men voted against them right
03:22:29
Andrew Wilsonyou do realize women outnumber men right that and that politician wanted to go to war then men would have to go and fight the war and women would be the ones who voted them in to go and fight it right I
03:22:41
Andrew Wilsonmean in a sense but that could happen reversed no there's no in a sense is an the case that if all the women voted for that person all the men voted against that person they're in office they could
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Andrew Wilsonsend men off to war yes yes they they could absolutely so then and and they themselves would not have to fight that war right the women the the women I mean
03:23:04
Andrew WilsonI know a lot of women who have gone to Wars and and fought okay okay so so the thing is is she says women shouldn't fight in Wars right
03:23:14
Andrew Wilsonwe're using her worldview so let's say in this Society women don't fight in any wars right and they don't right now by the way in this Society they don't fight in Frontline combat or in the Infantry they're not allowed to but let's just
03:23:26
Andrew Wilsongive we're just giving her her worldview she doesn't believe women should fight in Wars if that's the case why should women be able to vote to send men to fight Wars that's my that's my question
03:23:37
Multiple Guests (02)because you're not only voting for war you're voting for all their policies too the economy jobs I mean the whole nine war is just an aspect ECT of it you you might why shouldn't okay great well then
03:23:49
Andrew Wilsonwhy shouldn't women go and fight Wars then I mean I know a lot of women who were on the front lines no you don't know any wom who are on the front line fighting any War anywhere you don't know a single one I can name two right now cuz women are home taking care of you
03:24:02
Andrew Wilsondon't know any they're not allowed to fight in Frontline combat they're not allowed to they're not allowed they are no they're not where mid at least a few years ago at
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Andrew Wilsonleast the the two that I know yeah they have found run Bas they can run Convoy security they can run support roles they're not allowed to fight in Frontline combat they're not allowed to
03:24:25
Andrew Wilsondo you have military experience I'm just telling you I'm just I'm explaining to you that that's how it works right this second do you think women can be drafted I think it women could be
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Multiple Guests (02)drafted but I also wait wait hold on hold on hold on currently can women be drafted not currently so why do you say they could be because it could be the
03:24:49
Brian Atlaslaw could be changed eventually well I mean you could say that about anything anything currently though but women are currently exempt under the law from being drafted but you
03:25:01
Multiple Guests (02)also have to consider if if I'm fighting next to a 6'4 man and he goes down my ability to Res to anybody is well it this isn't in theory my ability to
03:25:11
Multiple Guests (02)rescue him if if [ __ ] hits the wall is diminished so really want women next to them in in Frontline combat roles is that really fair to them I thought you just said that you knew a bunch of women
03:25:23
Andrew Wilsonwho are in Frontline combat I do I know too and are they capable of dragging the 6'6 guy out of there probably not then why the [ __ ] are they there cuz the Army told them to be there now the Army
03:25:36
Andrew Wilsondidn't send them off to Frontline combat's absurd okay they can women have been in combat situations that's true but if you look all you have to do is look at the numbers of the amount of men who die in war even modern ones in Iraq Afghanistan
03:25:49
Andrew Wilsonversus women very few women die because they're not sent to combat situations it's not to say they can't be in one that does happen right but it's not because they're sent specifically to do
03:25:58
Andrew Wilsonthat job now the thing is is like just to explain this to you so that you understand pretend for a moment just pretend that women um from her we're
03:26:11
Andrew Wilsonjust going from her view she says I don't want women in the military right that's what she say okay so if women aren't in the military then
03:26:23
Andrew Wilsontheoretically then in this isolated example if women voted for war they would be in a position of privilege because they would never have to fight that war
03:26:35
Multiple Guests (02)right and what you're saying is correct but there's so much more that goes into who choosing who to vote for rather than just War great well have a great economy and they get to send the men off to war
03:26:46
Andrew Wilsonfantastic that's that's wonderful but the thing is is like it sounds like a privilege is being given whether or not you're voting for multiple reasons there's still a privilege being given to women that men don't have that's my
03:26:58
Multiple Guests (02)point and so it's almost like having your cake and eating it too in a sense MH well I agree and I think that there are a lot of privileges that women have that men don't and that's just I mean
03:27:09
Tessamen and women are equal in some areas but they're not equal in every area and that's fine that's how it it should be let's read this from are men not equal
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Tessain I mean women have kids women have the babies men don't you know I'm sorry does that require the genetic material for men I'm sorry does that require the
03:27:31
Andrew Wilsongenetic material for men in order to have a baby well yeah I mean they don't have the same Parts as women so then the idea that a woman has simply has a uterus and by the way it can't be that hard if every woman can do it right how
03:27:43
Andrew Wilsonhard could it be well I'm not saying it's difficult to have kids as yeah right it's not that hard right so the thing is is like they need the genetic material from men and they they do carry the child inside of them for 9
03:27:54
Multiple Guests (02)months that's true and then post a child being born you definitely require a man uh if you want to have like a functioning two parent household and well adjusted children right no I I agree with you and I I believe in a two
03:28:07
Multiple Guests (02)parent household and I believe in having a sense of family and I think feminism really destroys a sense of family but you know there's there's just rules that women should have and there's rules that
03:28:18
TTS Reader / Brianmen should have you really think you really think that do you like donated $200 women are serving in almost exclusively non-competent roles for
03:28:29
TTS Reader / Briancontext the very first enlisted female graduated the Army's infantry course this year after they lowered the physical standards because that would be
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Andrew Wilsonproblematic but the thing is is I I just got to ask you this what actually do you disagree with femin about name one thing you actually disagree with him about what I mean there's a ton that I
03:28:52
Multiple Guests (02)disagree with feminism I think that it's wrong I to declare war on men to say that all men are bad and women should be more privileged than men that's a terrible
03:29:03
Andrew Wilsonidology it's not what feminism is feminism is just the the reduction of patriarchy for the purposes of egalitarianism yeah it's destroying families and I disagree with destroying families yeah but how is it doing that
03:29:15
Andrew Wilsonwhat is the thing what is the actual like femin name a policy that you think is a feminist policy that is destroying families I mean stating that women don't need men I ain't need no man I I think
03:29:27
Andrew Wilsonthat's argument there's no there's no United States policy of women don't need no man well are we talking about like US policies talking about what is the actual feminist legislation that you would disagree with I I wasn't talking
03:29:40
Andrew Wilsonabout actual legislation I was talking about this Society ends of feminism okay so just on the social aspect then we'll leave legislation out of it just on the social aspect if feminists say
03:29:53
Multiple Guests (02)I'm a feminist but I still believe men have value and I still believe that men have value to society what would your quarrel with them be I mean I don't really think that that's a full on feminist then I think
03:30:06
Multiple Guests (02)that there's an appreciation for women and I think that there's an extreme feminism view which is destroying families all men are bad here's my last question very quickly last question then
03:30:18
Multiple Guests (02)I just got to ask you what is a feminist I would consider a feminist somebody that has a hatred against men like f the patriarchy I don't want a family I don't want a man I want to go hook up with whoever what's the
03:30:31
Tessadifference between that and standard Progressive then the same not too much I mean I I don't necessarily agree with standard Progressive progressivism what I'm saying is is like it sounds to me like
03:30:41
Andrew Wilsonwhat you're doing is you're conflating woke with what feminist ideology is these are two very different things I think that people do this often they conflate woke because they don't like these blue-haired Skys screeching
03:30:54
Andrew Wilsonlunatics who were like man evil blah blah blah blah blah I get that I understand not I think they're all crazy but feminist ideology I very much think
03:31:02
Multiple Guests (02)that you probably ascribe to I I agree with Womanhood to a sense um but I I don't think that Womanhood should be all men are bad we don't need men I I
03:31:15
Multiple Guests (02)disagree with with that argument because I think women absolutely need men and I think that men and women complement each other and I think that a happy marriage is a fulfillment in life having I compliment I consider
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Andrew Wilsoncomplimentaries you would do it by saying hey men and women are complementarian and then you would say they're equals to each other we need to have an egalitarian society I would consider that to be feminism compliment
03:31:43
Multiple Guests (02)I would consider feminism I would disagree with that um I would think that men and women do complement each other but I also think that I am a follower to
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Multiple Guests (02)who should be in charge my my man is absolutely yeah so so so then patriarchy right yeah I'm not saying I disagree with the p patriarchy that's not the argument I Wasing why should women why
03:32:06
Tessashould women be able to vote if you believe in a strong patriarchy because women should still have a say in the matter but in a family sense my man is the leader I'm still a strong woman one big
03:32:18
Andrew Wilsonfamily I'm sorry I didn't hear the last part nation's one big family right I I don't consider the nation one big family no so what is patriotism isn't that isn't that the idea that we're all
03:32:30
Andrew Wilsoninterconnected inside of our nation we're all we're all part of this big family we call the United States right like if you were in a foreign nation and someone's like hey you're from the United States and you said yeah wouldn't
03:32:42
Andrew Wilsonthat be you you guys would Bond over that right away right you would but you don't bond over everything you know I mean but you Bond over that because it's like one big happy I'm just saying if
03:32:53
Andrew Wilsonyou're Pro patriarchy if you're actually Pro patriarchy wouldn't you want the Patriarchs in charge of [ __ ]
03:33:03
Multiple Guests (02)I I'm not really sure if I would agree with that or not I want my man in charge I think that my man is the leader and I'm the follower but I think in a sense of who's running the country I I think
03:33:15
Unknown Backgroundthat's a little bit more important than what's going on in my personalism little bit of feminism coming out there a little bit of that egalitarian feminism so you want to see
03:33:26
Andrew Wilsona reduction in patriarchy because you don't want the leadership of your nation to be patriarchal because you want I want the leadership of my na words want women to be able to user the authority
03:33:36
Tessaof men that's anti-patriarchal right I just don't want the like the I don't want my nation to be poor and I think if that you know a lot of women make poor choices in voting but a lot of men might
03:33:48
Andrew Wilsonalso make poor choices in voting you know it just depends on on who the current politician has let me just explain to you just very quickly that if only men could vote let's say tomorrow there would never be another
03:34:01
Andrew WilsonProgressive elected for as long as you ever lived ever I would there would be no there would be absolutely zero Progressive policy which was ever pushed anywhere the idea of the uh te's and all
03:34:13
Andrew Wilsonof that Gone Gone instantly they'd be gone overnight you never have to worry about it again the idea of the security of women's sports done the idea of all
03:34:22
Multiple Guests (02)all 99% of the problems that you would rage about is because you want to usurp the authority of the patriarchy I'm Canadian and I just want to say that the Prime Minister that sitting prime
03:34:34
Multiple Guests (02)minister is very Progressive and he's a male so I'm curious what your opinion on him is yeah and who voted for him women not me it was a bunch of women and if
03:34:47
Andrew Wilsonvoted in the Canadian voted in Canada guess what Justin Trudeau wouldn't have happened fair but instead they were like he's so
03:34:55
Andrew Wilsonhandsome he's so he's such a handsome guy and he's so swave and blah blah blah and so they voted him in if they hadn't voted there wouldn't be a Justin tro he
03:35:06
Brian Atlaswouldn't be there we have a couple chats here we have uh renan Bradford I guess I mispronounced her name earlier renan I do apologize there is no a in Randon
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Brian AtlasRandon did I say Randon Randall yo Randon thank you for the big $100 Super Chat guys W's in the chat for Rand randam thank you man uh we got Rachel Wilson if you want the Privileges of traditionalism but you don't want the
03:35:29
Brian Atlasduties of tradition you're a feminist if you want the Privileges of equality without the duty duties of equality you're a feminist thank you Rachel for
03:35:38
Brian Atlasthat Super Chat and then uh we let's see here we have three chats coming in from one from masculine where he says chivalry back then was earned by and
03:35:50
Brian Atlasreserved for women who displayed virtue pure Noble honorable women today expect it automatically but don't realize that it is still earned not expected that's
03:36:00
Brian Atlasactually a really good point uh masculine there's this expectation there uh but I think it's earned I do think it's earned uh which is kind of why a
03:36:10
Brian Atlaslittle earlier when you said you're traditional I kind of questioned it in so far as you're involved in sex work
03:36:19
Multiple Guests (02)that's antithetical to being traditional I think my views are traditional I would love to have a traditional um marriage with my kids and be a stay-at-home mom
03:36:30
Multiple Guests (02)and cook and clean and do my duties as a woman mhm um given the choices I've made I do know that that's probably not going to happen for me because of the because
03:36:41
Multiple Guests (02)of the choices I've made um My Views and relationships are very traditional though um I in a relationship I am very
03:36:51
Brian Atlassubmissive I do want to be led uh I do want to be that stay-at-home mom and to take care of my kids and my house and my man okay all right we have Lucas here a gentleman offers chivalry only if it is
03:37:03
Brian Atlasearned in exchange for traditional ladylike Behavior yet another of the seemingly 10,000th example of one of one directional modern-day female
03:37:13
Brian Atlasentitlement solop ISM okay and then he follows that with thank you Luc Lucas for the messages you're offering me your time do you have any idea what my billing rate
03:37:24
Brian Atlasis it's uh Lucas charges are you a lawyer uh $1,250 an hour no I'd be offering you my time thank God
03:37:33
Paulawife I are Gen X and clearly see the world differently but this is mind-bending I think this is perhaps in response to you and earn so what you're
03:37:44
Andrew Wilsonsaying is it's a first state and how do I earn you just being a gentleman and opening the door for me that's a great so that's a great
03:37:55
Andrew Wilsonquestion the idea here is just this this used to just be baked into the pie used to just be assumed all women deserve chivalry but why well because if you go
03:38:06
Andrew Wilsonback 70 years ago all the women who got married were virgins 95% right they were all virgins they were all chased and and they were pushing towards virtue now let's fast forward here into
03:38:17
Andrew Wilsonmodernity raise your hand at the table if you're a virgin yeah now raise your hand at the table if you're not in a relationship you ain't getting no [ __ ] shivalry what are you getting
03:38:29
Paulafor what what are you getting it for what are you getting it for basic what you basic she says basic yeah just basic decency and respect you let me ask let
03:38:41
Andrew Wilsonme ask you question wait hang on hang on if it's about decency and respect I want [ __ ] flowers my dinner paid for too I mean show some decency [ __ ] respect is the audio lower
03:38:52
Multiple Guests (02)Dam also believe in like respecting and and loving your man too I think that's a huge part of it and then he earned the respect and you earned the shiver
03:39:03
Andrew Wilsonsh say that freaking word I I deserve to have my dinner paid for me or else she said that's a feminine man what makes him feminine wouldn't that be more masculine if he like pay for your own
03:39:13
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] I me for my [ __ ] too while you're at it do it do it now that wouldn't that be more masculine no I said if you want flowers like a girl then that makes you kind of F I think guys can get flowers
03:39:26
Multiple Guests (02)the guy flowers go ahead go ahead go ahead I think that in order for me to even want to earn your chivalry um you know like why would I want to earn that
03:39:37
Multiple Guests (02)from you if you can't even open the door for me and give me basic you know respect and treat me as a woman hold on hold on question for you though hold on question for you you're a porn star can
03:39:49
Multiple Guests (02)we get splits going here um you're a porn star correct you're a stripper correct and do you think you deserve a guy to pay for first AIDS and do you think you deserve chivalry yeah
03:40:00
Brian Atlasit doesn't Define like me as a person just because of what I do I mean it kind of does though I mean it doesn't it doesn't mean I deserve any less respect than anyone else oh I'm not saying because you're a porn star the only guys
03:40:12
Brian Atlasyou're allowed to date they need to walk up to you and smack you AC cross the face and you need to tolerate abuse but you're looking for something very specific which is traditional gentlemanly chivalrous treatment you're
03:40:25
Multiple Guests (02)not holding up your end of the bargain you're a porn star you're [ __ ] other men on camera for me it's not like it's not as um surface level and simple as that I don't agree with like every single thing to do with the the topic
03:40:37
Brian Atlaswe're talking about but I to me it seems like you want a gentleman who deserves gentlemanly treatment a lady I'm not saying this to be mean but you're a porn star you're not a lady when I was in my
03:40:48
Multiple Guests (02)relationship um few months ago you know I quit doing porn I quit sleeping with other people and I was exclusive to him you know so it's it just depends you know I I'm a porn star and I'm a
03:40:58
Brian Atlasstripper and I don't I'm single like it doesn't doesn't matter so question for you if you were on the first date with a guy and the he takes you to you go out to dinner and the waiter comes and he's like two bills is there going to be a
03:41:11
Multiple Guests (02)second date uh no honestly if I had to pay for my meal on the first date absolutely not that also kind of gives me like broke vibes okay that's so cool broke Vibes um
03:41:23
Multiple Guests (02)I'm just confused though why because you want gentlemanly treatment but you're not a lady I mean I'm also I've also paid for men as well though like in my relationship um you
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Brian Atlasknow I still paid for a lot of things I don't expect the man to pay for everything either yeah but you just said if you were if you went to dinner with a guy and he said hey two checks he paid for his meal he wanted a bad first impression I mean I don't know I
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Multiple Guests (02)wouldn't want to pursue that person so do you think a bad like would you be fine if a guy cuz I I would have multiple others paying for it so why would I choose the one that didn't so here here's the thing though this is the
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Brian Atlasportion that I Grant and I agree with could you be like the most and I'm not saying this about you necessarily I'm just when I say could you I mean like a woman in general could a woman be the
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Brian Atlasmost degenerate woman ever who's [ __ ] the most men ever who's a porn star who's a prostitute who's a drug addict who's all these things who's just like
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Brian Atlaswho's a bleeding heart liberal feminist like everything that is antithetical to traditionalism to ladylike Behavior M could she still find a guy who's willing
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Brian Atlasto pay for a first date yes and I'll tell you why because one there's a significant shift in the Overton window in terms of what is deemed socially acceptable a lot of women do this through social pressure uh oh you're
03:42:45
Brian Atlasinsecure you won't do this blah blah blah you oh you this is this is discrimination this is sexism because you don't want to date a woman who's a porn star or whatever it is but the other component is men do what works and
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Brian Atlasso despite women being the most modern they've ever been despite women being the least traditional they've ever been in all of human
03:43:06
Brian Atlashistory you still to some degree find traditionalism and gentlemanly treatment from Men there's something hardwired in women
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Brian Atlasit's maybe it's evolutionary maybe it's biological men who are protectors and providers you just hardwired find that attractive and so men do what works as a guy even if you're dating a liberal chick like it's not going to hurt you to
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Brian Atlaspay for her date even if she's like a crazy feminist like it's not going to hurt you but even feminist women can still have traditional gender expectations when it comes to dating so men are just going to do what works
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Brian Atlasthey're going to do the most Optimum thing the reality is even if you're dating probably the best move if you want to get that girl in bed or you want to get her to date or you want to be in a relationship with her probably the best move the most Optimum move is to
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Brian Atlaspay for the pay for the date yeah I'm talking on a higher bird's eye view level of do they deserve it and I think
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Multiple Guests (02)no I mean I guess it varies and it depends on your specific outlooks um I don't
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Multiple Guests (02)know I think when women when it comes to shy I can't say it Shy um confuse it with respect and Away women expect men
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Multiple Guests (02)to pay for their meals women expect you to open the door um when even when it's not necessarily deserved it's I think we confuse it with
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Multiple Guests (02)that is we expect that from men but we don't have anything necessarily to return for it I I just I'm confused by this
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Brian Atlaslike I would I would almost put more respect on it if you're just like yeah I'm a modern woman um I don't really have this expectation that I know it's still nice to receive these benefits the
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Brian Atlastraditional benefits oh the guy does all the shivalry he pays for first dat it's yeah that's that's a you're receiving a benefit I get that that's nice and you want it and there's still plenty of simp men that will do it but if we're having
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Brian Atlasa conversation about deserve I don't see how woman who's involved in the porn industry you can still get it 100% there's men probably men who are like your fans MH they would be like they'd love to take you out on a
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Brian Atlasdate and simp they'd love to they'll do all that [ __ ] do you deserve it I don't think so not in that sense I mean in a romantic sense relationship
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Multiple Guests (02)sense I mean that obviously changes and it depends if you're continuing doing those things that make you undeserving I can maybe cuz I can I'm a porn store now
03:45:47
Brian Atlasbut I could quit and yeah sure I was still but that but you wouldn't you're you're going to you're going to keep going right like if a guy ask you on the first date you going to quit right away
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Brian AtlasI mean you got Rel my relationship um I quit within 3 months yeah but how long were you guys dating like two and a half right so like the entire time he was
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Brian Atlastaking you out on dates I mean he also pursued me though huh he pursued me I yeah that's what I'm talking about though you you'll still you'll still get that kind of treatment I'm not denying like you're not going to get that kind of treatment from men I can sit on this
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Brian Atlaspodcast all day and talk about what you deserve or don't deserve like the reality is a lot of dudes are just they're going to do what works which is to pay for dates etc etc um but if we're H like I don't know I could ask the
03:46:34
Brian Atlasgirls here a question and maybe he'll frame it in a way you can understand like if a guy's a total player um and he's just dating a bunch of different women sleeping with a bunch of different
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Brian Atlaswomen do you think that he deserves like having a girl who's like doing all this [ __ ] for him and maybe gives him her her virginity no no just for him to throw
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Brian Atlasher away no I I don't I would say he probably doesn't deserve it so I mean maybe that's a way you can look at it m like a guy who's a player does he deserve all your
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Brian Atlaslike even if the girl's not a virgin let's just say she's giving him everything like she's trying to build towards a relationship and he does nothing for her he's doing nothing and she's doing everything yeah does he
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Brian Atlasdeserve it I'd say probably not no um here we have a message coming through from masculine hey masculine give me one sec yeah it's lagging maybe we deserve naps I'm just it is simple you are a
03:47:33
Brian Atlasstripper and a 30 fo no men worth their salt is giving you an open door opening a door is in basic decency it's earned to The 40-Year-Old you're cooked and a feminist you want to respond to the cooked feminist statements um actually