Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

Date: 2025-04-14

Duration: 8h 02m

Guests

CCaitlyn (Virgin)

LLauren (Brothel)

LLydia (Pro-Life)

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

NNatalie (Seattle)>

AAbigail (Married)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Abigail (Married)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ryder(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Natalie (Seattle)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentAndrew Wilson defends male authority/headship in marriage. Significant pushback.

Key Moment$999 champagne pop from Ogle

Key MomentRyder's TikToks: nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband

ControversyLydia's abortion clinic confrontation video — most contentious segment

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Ryder (abusive ex), Maddie (LDS), Lydia (pro-life), Natalie, Lauren (brothel), Haley (dairy), Caitlyn (virgin), Abigail (married at 19).

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby

Panel reacts to Ashley discussing having Elon Musk baby.

Andrew Wilson Authority in Marriage

Andrew defends Orthodox Christian male headship. Significant pushback.

Ryder TikToks

Nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband TikToks. Ethical debate on posting about exes.

Lydia Abortion Clinic Video

Most contentious segment. Confrontational interaction with clinic staff.

IVF Burning Building Hypothetical

Save 5-year-old or 1,000 embryos? Tests embryo personhood beliefs.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_04they could do to me. Yeah, they could essay. Yes. That's way more terrifying than me having scars and bloodiness and stuff. But if it was a group of men, I would trust that the other men would protect me. That's why I would choose a group of men over Yeah. What So you're

Brian Atlasdoing a risk assessment. What's the p uh percentage risk of a man, a random man doing that? Oh, absolutely. Very low. I know that. I know it's just to be clear. So, okay, you wouldn't risk that that

Ryderlow risk over what I think many people would say is like a higher risk of a bear attacking you. Um, actually, bears don't attack often. Uh, you just yell at them and they kind of run away. Uh, I don't think that's really true. It depends the bear. It depends the bear cuz they say

Brian Atlaspolar bears are crazy. Even black. So in California, this was a couple months ago, a woman was carried killed by a black bear, which is the one that said, "Oh, the black bears, you just make yourselves big and they go away." So I

SPEAKER_04mean, any bear can kill you. Experiences with bears have been positive. How many experiences with bears have you had? I've been to Alaska, so a lot from there. Um, they you just honk the horn and they go away. And then I tried to pet a bear. I I tried to pet a bear, but

SPEAKER_04my sister locked me in the car. And then a bear bribed my dog to stop barking at him with a deer leg. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. Hey, I've encountered bears and even though I would rather encounter encounter a man, the bears weren't weren't that bad. They just kind of went

Ryderthat same. What are all these bear encounters? Okay, there's actually a place called Bear Arizona in Arizona that it's like a free it's a free-for-all walk and you can see bison and you can see bears and you can walk around them. Yes, you have to sign a

SPEAKER_04like a waiver, but it's so cool. But imagine how many but it's still so cool. It's a good experience. Imagine how many people those animals see every single day, though. Like that's the difference

Ryderis that you choose you walk past a random bear in the wild. You don't you don't I mean it's it's but the one time I did walk by one in the wild. It didn't really do anything to me either. Yeah.

Brian AtlasAnd I was in Louis the potential like bears. Okay. How about this? Would you rather walk up to a random bear and pat the random bear on the head or walk up to a random man and pat the random man on? But I think

Brian Atlasthe question is the fact that you know you shouldn't pet a bear anyway and a man Yeah. You shouldn't pet the man either. Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm saying. You don't know the man. If I walked up to a random dude and started petting him, he would fight you. You

Brian Atlasknow what? Honestly, I think the chances are pretty good. Like random men. So, yes, I could do that. And there could be a some men that just depends on the man. But it depends on the I would rather do that because I know like most men are

Brian Atlasjust going to be like like they're going to look at me like the [ __ ] are you doing? Yeah, but I think most men are just going to let me do it and they're going to be give me a really weird look and be like, "What the fuck?" I don't think they're going to like most men are not going to fight me. Yeah. And then I

Rydercould just play that off with some comedy like, "Oh, [ __ ] I'm sorry." But what if you get those weird like ignorant men that are like, "Why' you dare me to do it? Save some money if he wants to fight." But like, okay. Uh,

Brian Atlasfinal final thing here, Ryder. These are your notes and then we're wrapping. Uh, you said there's only three of them. Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA. What do you What do you mean by

Ryderthis? So, you agree with that statement? What do you uh mean, I guess? Yeah. Like we just like we don't we don't have equal rights and that's why there's some women that are fighting for I guess equality, but I mean it doesn't matter

Ryderabout my viewpoint on equal rights or anything, but it's just the point of Yeah. I mean, that's why I didn't circle that women are oppressed because we're not

Ryderoppressed there. You have to be grateful because I mean like we said we are not going straight to the army. We're not and it's cool to not it's cool to not have the same rights sometimes. Yeah. But you said women don't have equal

Ryderrights. So what rights do men have that women don't? They they go to the war. You just said equal. It doesn't matter. Bad or good. They go to war. Wait, hold on. So the question was women don't have

Ryderequal rights. So uh men can be drafted, women can't. Yeah. What else? Okay. Men can't be d Okay. Like the whole pay thing. Pay gap. Yeah. Okay. Whatever. I mean, I guess that's a con one instead

Ryderof a pro one for me. Um, but like Yeah, just like there's just different things of equal rights. The whole thing of like our reproduction. Yeah. Like the reproduction. Yeah. Okay. No, not even abortion. Like maternity leave compared

Ryderto paternity leave. Like paternity leave like you're not even carrying the baby. Yes, I understand. You had to be you had you have to be there as a present father, which is good, but it's also one of those things of like you didn't

Ryderphysically go through the 9 months. Maternity leave is typically shorter than maternity. Yeah, but still like but that's what I'm saying. They don't allow it for the nine months that I was pregnant. You're not going to give me

Brian AtlasIt's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Next one. What was the next one? Uh what are the other rights that uh women don't have? Uh, I don't know, just

Brian Atlasthings like that. But like I'm saying, draft, uh, bad or good regardless. Wage draft, wage gap, abortion, patern like more paternal leave, stuff like that.

Brian AtlasMen get patern How would men getting paternity leave? They just do. Yeah. But why? But you're saying women don't have equal rights to men. If women have maternity leave and they happen, like

SPEAKER_04Lydia said, have to have get more of a leave than when Not typically all the time though. almost always. Yeah. But there's never a case where a guy will get more paternity leave at a company than a woman. No, no, no. I'm not

Rydertalking about that. I'm talking about the fact that it's not as long it's they even though they get it, it's not as long as you should be in there for the child's life. And it sucks because a worker you could tell your worker and you could be like, "Hey, I just had a

Ryderbaby." And they're going to be like, "Okay, well, I expect you back in 5 months." when you're like, I want to be there for the first kind of 10 years, but my job's not going to be promised to me when I So, that's what I'm saying. Good or bad, we don't have the same

Ryderrights. That's why I didn't put women are oppressed cuz we're not oppressed. To be clear, are you saying that women have more rights than men? No, not more. Because this would be an argument that men That's why I'm saying it's a pro and con list of like we just It's not the

Brian Atlassame rights. They're not equal. They're not the same. Equal means the same and that's it. But typically like the the context and the phrasing here would indicate women do not have equal rights to men would indicate like okay what rights do women not have? But that's how

Brian Atlasyou're taking it. The question was literal. So but so you're saying but the question was literal. Oh that's what I'm saying. I think I Yeah, I think I'm understanding what you're saying. So women get more uh maternity leave and

Ryderyou think that that's like a detriment to men? Yeah, I guess not not a detriment but it's just the fact of like when a man who's it unfair to men or women? It's unfair to both cases

Ryderactually to be honest because a man should be there for his kids after because you want a present father but yes you do want the hard work I see what you're saying but that's what I'm saying but the women went through okay you said the draft so is that yeah it's just not

Ryderthe same equal right you said equal right and we're not going to go to the front of the line so that's what I'm saying that's why I didn't circle women are oppressed because I don't believe that I just believe that we don't have the same

Brian Atlasrights and equal means the same okay so you're saying bad or So, men don't have as many rights as women, then? Uh, no, I didn't say that. I just said they weren't equal. Do men have more rights?

RyderI I mean, I didn't decide to go down the whole list. I just knew I just knew out of the four I was like, they're not equal. I'm asking you a new question. Do

Rydermen not have as many rights as women? No. I think uh do men have more rights than women? I think they set the system up because obviously when they made this system like whenever you know the

Ryderfounding fathers like how we were talking about when they when they set up the system for like the draft um not letting women vote everything they set that system up so that was what I'm saying and then women got it throughout later. So that's what I'm saying.

RyderDoesn't matter when it came doesn't matter what it like how it happened but they just weren't equal like the Mount Rushmore president. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I don't believe women are oppressed. No. But like that's what I'm saying. We just don't have equal rights, bad or good. Like e

Ryderwhether the whether the right benefits women or does not benefit women, they're just not equal. Like but so men don't have the same rights as So okay, when it comes to the

Brian Atlasdraft, are you what do you are you wanting women to be drafted? No. So is it a is it right? But are you arguing that it's But there's some women out there that will argue I'll explain it.

Brian AtlasI'll explain it. So, are you saying that it's a it's like a lack of rights that women aren't drafted? Like, is that what you're arguing? Yeah, I guess lack of

Ryderrights. Like, because isn't it a privilege that like that's a Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a privilege. It's a It's a good reason. Female privilege. But that's what I'm saying. But it's also the same. It's not the same right as a man. It's not a right

Brian Atlasthough. It's a Yeah, I guess. But it's not a right. But you put all rights like Yeah, but it's not a right. you I if it was a right, wouldn't I have the choice to refuse to be drafted? So, it's a

Abigail (Married)duty. It's not a right. Like a right can't be added to your argument. It's what he said because it's not included in rights. Yeah. But rights don't even

Brian Atlasexist, but um Exactly. So, in general, uh Okay. I All right. You said that male privilege exists. Yeah. And you also you said men are more

Ryderprivileged in society than women. Yeah. Cuz just like the whole thing about like how you said exactly. It would take a lot for a man to be a [ __ ] Like it would take a lot just because the way that society views women and they

Ryderbelieve just the societal norms of just being like that and that's it. Like so I mean so men can be [ __ ] That's the male privilege. No, no, no. It's not. But they could get away with more

Ryderthings. Men have to go to war and die. Men have to go to war and die but they can also be [ __ ] So like balances out. But no, it doesn't balance out. Nobody should go to war and die. Like that's what I'm saying. But the way when they

Ryderset the system up to be like we got to send the highest people out on the front of the line. Yeah. They don't smoke weed typically and when they go to war. Oh, well that's not what I meant. I was talking about like highest ranking like on the ASBA test on stuff like that when

Ryderyou get into the military like Were you in the military? No. Well, I mean I took the ASVAB but they said I couldn't go cuz I was the only woman like child. So they literally told me no. like so so I could have pursued the military instead

Brian Atlasof going to college, but since um I mean this but I I don't I kind of reject this idea that like oh men set that system up like what does it have I don't think it really has to do with men because ultimately it was like

Brian Atlas0.00001% of people who had the power to well they were the only ones that were able to vote and make the No, actually for the vast majority of human history neither men or women could vote. Yeah,

Ryderit's But they were able to propose it. Like John Hancock, Benjamin Fang, they were the only ones that were able to propose years ago. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That's how they set the system up around there queens and monarchs and that sort of thing. And

Brian Atlasactually, if there's when it comes to warfare, queens were much more likely to uh go to war kings. There was a study on this. Queens were much more likely to go to war than their male counterparts.

Brian AtlasMhm. So this idea that oh if we lived in a matriarchy where we lived with like female rulers there would be less war or no war. Actually history seems to dictate that it's actually not the case.

Brian AtlasWomen were more likely to initiate wars than men were

Brian Atlasokay. Okay. All right. I mean in any case it's not clear to me. So okay here's my argument here. You're saying men are more privileged in society than

Brian Atlaswomen. Yeah. Yeah. But I think you have to and so I guess I would be willing to grant that male privileges exist and I think female privileges also exist. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Females could

Brian Atlasget away with more things ever. Yeah. Of course. I believe the ultimate minority is the individual. And so when you talk about privilege, you need to look at the totality of somebody. Stop guys. You

Brian Atlasneed to you need to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances. So for example like let's say there's um let's say there's a given male privilege right

Brian Atlasand this male privilege is let's say it was in the 1914 and he had the right to vote right uh but then okay this male

Ryderprivilege exists or I mean how about this let me do a different example can you just tell me some male privileges no actually I can't no yeah don't know any I can't think right now of anything.

RyderI'm like I'm going to be honest. I'm starting to like check out. So I'm trying to think as much as I can. So yeah. Yeah. Anything. Can you give me one or two? Male privileges. I would just basically say like um they were able to like rent a car and they were

Ryderable to create debt and Yeah. stuff like that. They were able to get credit cards and Yeah. And that's Yeah, just stuff like little things like that. But like I'm saying, not to say I believe that

Ryderwomen should not have credit cards because I I believe from from my personal experience, we should debit. Yes, you should stick to debit. Yeah, I should stick to debit. Definitely. I

Brian Atlasmean, I'm fine with credit, but um look, I guess my ultimate point here on this is that I think you have to look at the individual level to determine if there if this privilege is even helpful. For

Brian Atlasexample, like if male privilege is blanket and all males have male privilege, like I don't think we would say that in totality a individual is

Brian Atlasprivileged if the following. Uh they have it's a three-year-old with cancer, but he's male. Like I don't think in totality we would ever say that a three-year-old who has terminal cancer

Brian Atlasand is going to die in 3 months has privilege despite them being male, right? And like what privilege does that male have? But that's personal. over a three-year-old girl who doesn't have

Brian Atlasterminal cancer. I would say like okay so yeah but that's a that's extreme like right but you have to look at totalities of circumstances before we can like consider privilege like okay so if

Brian Atlasthere's male privilege but what about the totality of the individual circumstances of someone's given life so like for example I'm male but like I have chronic pain issues and so like I

Brian Atlaswould happily trade my supposed male privilege for like a better back for for female good Mhm. I'll trade my superior male privileges for female privileges if

Brian Atlasmy like I could be able-bodied or I could not have like debilitating pain. A lot of people would, right? What I'm saying is is this idea and well men are much more likely to suffer from like chronic pain and this sort of thing and have like injuries because they are

Brian Atlastypically employed in in blue fields laborious jobs where they're more likely to be injured and so for this re and they're more likely to be injured on the job. They're more likely to die on the job.

Brian AtlasAnd so for this reason, you got to Yeah, I would absolutely if I could get rid of my chronic pain. Yeah. Give me a I'll take a period. Yeah. Give me a [ __ ] Give me menration as a dude. I'll pee

Ryderblood out of my Yeah. If my back You don't pee blood. I hope you know it comes from I'm like I hope you know he would get cramps. Those are bad. There's only men only have a urethra. So it would come out. It would kind of be

Brian AtlasThere's a machine that you can put that gives guys cramps. Yeah, you should definitely try that. The cramp machine simulator comparison to pregnancy. Here's the thing though. I

Brian Atlasthink uh on that uh men get kidney stones. Yeah, but so do women also get kidney stones. But women have reported women who have had kidney stones report

Brian Atlasthat it's worse than pregnancy pain. And I think there's like physiological differences between men and women when it comes to kidney stones and the pain associated with it because it I I mean I don't know if there's different I whatever. In any case, um this idea that

SPEAKER_04like pregnancy pain is the worst thing ever, but like men get the kidney stones. Well, also though, you have to remember that your body releases hormones that makes make you forget the pain of child birth. So, there's that

Brian Atlastoo. Female privilege. Female privilege. Ridiculous. Okay, we have a chat here. Streamlabs. Oh my god, Streamlabs is not working. That's I don't know what the [ __ ] is up with Streamlabs, man. [ __ ] Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed

Brian Atlasby thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses. Finish in unison. Oh, we were also supposed to read that at the same time. Yo, Archer Tonight, thank you for the uh soup chat.

Brian AtlasAppreciate it. Okay, guys, we're going to wrap there. Uh like the video, please. Like the video, please, if you enjoyed the stream. Really? The TTS isn't? Yeah, it's been an hour since it God damn, bro. I don't know. I got Streamlabs has not been working

Brian Atlasrecently. That's unfortunate. Okay. Well, uh, it is what it is. Uh, I want to Lauren, can we, uh, final thing here, Lauren? Mhm. Call to action. I always do this at the end of the show. Would you

SPEAKER_04consider stopping sex work entirely tonight? Um, no. I I wouldn't know what to do. Okay, I tried. All right. Uh, GG, I can find you something

Brian Atlasto do to the panel. Last call, guys. Hit the like button, please, on your way out. Thank you for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me. I appreciate that. Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show. We will be live again.

Brian AtlasActually, I might be doing something Friday. Might be doing something Friday. Going to be potentially interviewing. Well, maybe Friday. We'll see. We will be live again with another dating talk Sunday, 5:00 p.m. Pacific. Any girls who want to be on the show, DM, whatever on

Brian AtlasInstagram. If you can make it to Santa Barbara. Uh, I just want to double check, make sure we're all good. Damn, freaking Streamlabs, man. That's annoying. I don't know what's going on with that. Oh, it's been down. So sad. Very sad. Uh, okay. Thank you guys so much. Thank you to the wonderful panel.

Brian AtlasIt was a good show tonight. Appreciate you guys uh for making it a very cool and good show. Let me just double check everything looks okay here. Yep, everything looks good. Okay, 07's in the

Brian Atlaschat. Wait one sec. Hold on. Okay, 07's in the chat. Good night, guys. Good night. Like the video, please, on your way out. Good night. And we will uh see you guys next time. Good night.

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