Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

Date: 2025-04-14

Duration: 8h 02m

Guests

CCaitlyn (Virgin)

LLauren (Brothel)

LLydia (Pro-Life)

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

NNatalie (Seattle)>

AAbigail (Married)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Abigail (Married)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ryder(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Natalie (Seattle)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentAndrew Wilson defends male authority/headship in marriage. Significant pushback.

Key Moment$999 champagne pop from Ogle

Key MomentRyder's TikToks: nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband

ControversyLydia's abortion clinic confrontation video — most contentious segment

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Ryder (abusive ex), Maddie (LDS), Lydia (pro-life), Natalie, Lauren (brothel), Haley (dairy), Caitlyn (virgin), Abigail (married at 19).

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby

Panel reacts to Ashley discussing having Elon Musk baby.

Andrew Wilson Authority in Marriage

Andrew defends Orthodox Christian male headship. Significant pushback.

Ryder TikToks

Nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband TikToks. Ethical debate on posting about exes.

Lydia Abortion Clinic Video

Most contentious segment. Confrontational interaction with clinic staff.

IVF Burning Building Hypothetical

Save 5-year-old or 1,000 embryos? Tests embryo personhood beliefs.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonblock." And then they use that sort of political power um not on behalf of the constituency, but on behalf of the lobbyists. So why is it a good idea to have everybody politically infranchised

Andrew Wilsonwhen clearly they make terrible decisions in life and they're not ready for that sort of responsibility whatsoever in running a nation having the say in running a nation. Why would you let them vote? That's stupid, right? Well, the issue is there's smart people

SPEAKER_04that are 18 and there's really really dumb people that are 80 years old and like there's going to be smart and dumb people and so you can't just general generalize a whole. completely agree with you, but you can generalize. And

Andrew Wilsonhere's why. I can agree with you. There's going to be really smart. There's going to be 18-year-olds right now who are much smarter than you. Not me, but you. And the thing I'm kidding, that was it was a great joke. I slipped it in there. It was a great joke. But anyway, there's going to be 18-year-olds

Andrew Wilsonwho are out there who are smarter than me and you. I agree with that. There's not going to be many though. And there's going to be 80 year olds who are much dumber than that 18-year-old, but there's not going to be that many of

Andrew Wilsonthem. Okay? So if that's the case, we're not going to make social policy based on outliers. Yeah. You would never do that. Everything in politics is a give and take. Anytime you make a political decision, it's going to negatively

Andrew Wilsonaffect some group somewhere and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. So knowing that, having that fornowledge, why would we make social prescriptions based around the fact that some stupid ass 18year-olds uh no longer can vote,

SPEAKER_04but the like one or two who were really smart and informed, we've taken away their vote, too. It's like, so what? Yes. But that's politics. But if if the government isn't incentivized to care about young people, if we really did make the voting age 30, then the

SPEAKER_04government isn't going to care about young people anymore. They are they are not going to work as hard for them. That's just how it would work. That's why that's silly. That's silly. The constituency of the government would be

Andrew Wilsonparents. The parents are definitely going to have a whole lot to say about how young people are treated and what young people ought to be doing or not doing, just like parents in the home do right now with their kids who can't

Andrew Wilsonvote. So, how would it even disenfranchise them? They would have to trust in the generation of their own parents to represent them correctly, which by the way, they do right now. They do it right now.

SPEAKER_04Did you say I wouldn't say that they No, I'd like an argument there. I'd like hang on. I'd like an argument back. Yeah. from me. Yeah. Oh, no. I I agree. There's pros and cons to each thing, but no, I still think that the the

SPEAKER_04government is not going to care as much about the younger people if they're not having to cater to their vote. And I think that if you are if you are being taxed by the country, if you are having to fight for your country, you should have a say and how the government is

Andrew Wilsonrun. But no, I do think there's just an issue I agree with you that there's an issue on voters not being well informed. This is really, I guess, the the thing I I would like to take to task here is this idea that the government's going to stop caring about young people if young

Andrew Wilsonpeople can't vote in the government. It's like, does the government stop caring about 16-year-olds because they can't vote? No. Do they stop caring about toddlers because toddlers can't vote? No. In fact, parents are out there

Andrew Wilsonmaking all sorts of um of political decisions and political votes based around the protection of the young in society and the infirm in society. 2-year-olds, three-y olds, four year olds, 5-year-olds, on behalf of those 2-year-olds, three-y olds, four year

Andrew Wilsonolds, 5-y olds, because they're the ones who can. They're the ones who are infranchised. Why in the world suddenly if the voting age, let's say, was 25. Do you think that the government's like, "Well, you're 23. [ __ ] off. I don't care what you think anymore. The infranchised

SPEAKER_04people still care, right? Like, they're the ones who tell the government what's what." Well, also, the the thing is a 2-year-old isn't having to pay taxes. They're not having to fight a war. So, if we were to go by your argument that

Andrew Wilsonyou can't vote until you're 30, I don't think people under 30 should have to pay taxes or fight in wars. Why? That's silly. 16-year-olds can work and they get taxed. Should they have to go fight wars? I I I think that's an issue that

SPEAKER_04you're that you're giving back to to the the government, to your country, and you don't have a say in how the country and 15y olds and 14y olds with part-time jobs should be able to work to vote. Then, by that logic, I again, I think

Andrew Wilsonthere's pros and cons to everything. I Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense because your logic is if you're paying into a system, you should have a right to be infranchised in the system. My counterargument to you is really simple. Then if that's the case, make it

SPEAKER_04logically consistent. At 13 years old, I had a part-time job at a McDonald's. Should I be able to vote? If not, why not? Honestly, it's it's a compelling argument in itself. That's why I mean, no matter which way you go, no matter

SPEAKER_04who you cut out of voting, it's going to negatively impact some people and that Yeah. I mean, it's a complex issue. So, we have to kind of compare our systems and see which one works the best. And it sounds like you're in more agreement

Brian Atlaswith the system which I would propose than I am with the system that you would propose. I'm just asking you to think about it, that's all. Okay. All right. Uh, I got to get through a bunch of chats. So, we have Dalomar. The

Brian Atlasonly answer to the population problem along with degenerate [ __ ] f culture. Oops. I guess they see something different than me. Uh, is ban abortion. And here's the big one. Ban all forms of

Brian Atlasbirth control, including condoms. Period. Okay. Um, that's an interesting one. Thank you, Damar, for your uh Streamlabs message. Really appreciate it. If you want to get your

Brian Atlasown in, you can do so. Streamlabs.com/ whatever. Read 100. TTS 200. We have uh let's see what else we have. We got some uh super chats on the YouTube side.

Brian AtlasIn war, men protect what? Wait, did I read this one? Yeah. Wait. Men protect what women replenish their civilization. Neglect either duty and civilization declines. Wait, really? Yeah. This whole

Brian Atlasconversation. Okay. Uh there's this uh Okay. Little gaming channel. Thank you for the super chat. Appreciate it. We have Chris Serdak. Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me

Brian Atlasme me me me me me. What guy who has worked his ass off for a decade or two would want to sign up for this delusional? Okay, thank you, Chris. I don't know who that's directed to, but

Brian Atlasthank you for the soup chat on YouTube. Appreciate it. Uh, Michael Jones at Desertion. That is correct. That's the word. I'm just going to read these just cuz I'm the one handling the soup chats right now. So, uh, I'll just pull them

Brian Atlasup, but I won't read all of them. Uh, thank you, Hunter. Thank you, Little Gaming Channel, for your soup chat. Appreciate. Yep. Deserter, appreciate it. That That is the word. Coastal

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Brian AtlasOkay, it's like a meme on uh Thank you for the uh super chat. I do appreciate it. Natalyia gifted 50 whatever memberships. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, guys. Let's get some W's

Brian Atlasin the chat for our good friend Natalia. Thank you so much for the gifted 50 whatever memberships. Got Ogle member for five months with the

Brian Atlaseyeballs. Thank you so much, man. Ogle's an OG. He uh he's one of our he's a top G in the Discord. Thank you, Ogle. Appreciate it, man. Good to see you in the chat. Uh, we have Matt here, chair 3, 100% feminist. Thanks for that super

SPEAKER_04chat. Do you want to contest the feminist accusation? I mean, it depends on how you're defining feminists. If you just means equal rights, then sure. But no, I think modern feminism is um I I can I I would define it, I think, the

Andrew Wilsonsame way he would. It would be the movement towards egalitarianism with the deconstruction of patriarchy. The reason deconstruction of patriarchy is necessary for egalitarianism. You can't have equality if you say that men and

Andrew Wilsonwomen cannot be equally franchised in various things. So you're going to have to deconstruct patriarchal systems. Feminism is antiatriarchal. That's why it's anti-Christian. Yeah. Okay. Are you a feminist? What? No, I'm not. Are you a

SPEAKER_04feminist by that standard? No. So then why do you want egalitarianism? I I think that obvious like I think that women deserve rights, but no, I I do agree that like men are equal right. Do

Andrew Wilsonthey deserve equal rights? What rights are you talking about specifically? Any anyone? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, if they deserve any right, they're going to necessarily be deconstructing

Andrew Wilsonpatriarchal systems for that to happen. There's no way around that. Women and men aren't equal. No. So I'm just saying like death women and men

SPEAKER_04aren't equal. So in order to reach equality we have to elevate women in one way or another to reach equality like like for example I do think in general

SPEAKER_04that it is good for women to be mothers. Now I think it should absolutely I think women should have the right to go and work to go and do have a job if they want as well even though I might think

SPEAKER_04that in general it is better for women to be mothers. So, if that makes sense, I think they should have the legal right. But well, well, but nobody's disputing that. What I'm asking is this. It is the case that you're an

Andrew Wilsonegalitarian and it is the case that in order the only way to have egalitarianism is to dismantle patriarchal systems because otherwise what are you equalizing? What are you equalizing if it's not equalizing women

SPEAKER_04to men? That's the case necessarily you're going to be dismantling patriarchal system. Definitionally, then if you believe in that, you would be a feminist. Yeah, I suppose. No, I I think I think there

SPEAKER_04are certain things like for instance, I don't think women should be drafted. That is one thing. So, I don't necessarily That's not very equal. I know that's I I I will I'll take that back. Maybe not exactly. But so why is

SPEAKER_04it the case though? Why shouldn't women be drafted? Because I Well, I I I honestly have issues with men in general being drafted. Like I I don't What do you mean? I do think that there's an

Brian Atlasargument that it's taking away like their bodily autonomy. Well, yeah, but the thing is is governments and nations are not going to relinquish their right

Brian Atlasto uh force its citizen citizenry into a mil military conflict if needed. So, um given the reality that men do have to register with selective service, uh

SPEAKER_04should women equally have to register too? No, I don't think so at the end of the day. And I mean I guess that's an example of something that I do think is is different. I think when I'm talking about equal rights, I'm talking about just generalized. I mean we we can talk

Andrew Wilsonabout and that creates privilege in society now. Now you're creating privilege for women. So No, I think men and women women are different. Privilege. I think men and women I agree. Men and women are different. You're getting a privileged role. You

SPEAKER_04don't have to go fight no wars and get drafted. What do men get? What do we get in exchange for that? Well, women are considered the crown. Hang on. Let her answer. Let her answer. Well, I think honor first of all. I think that that's

Andrew Wilsona huge thing that men are honored for fighting the war by who? Other men or women by because in this case you get you get an elevated position. Men get to be honored for the position of dying on

SPEAKER_04your behalf. Well, that's fantastic. What a great deal for us. No, I think I think that I it's it's different in that aspect. So again, maybe not Sorry, I said equal. I'm I'm

SPEAKER_04talking equal as in as in our basic constitutional rights. Um but no, I do think men and women are different. So, I'm not a So then would that be a violation of our basic constitutional rights to have a draft? It can't be,

SPEAKER_04right? Because Congress can definitely call up the militia when they need to, right? I do. Yeah. Can I mean I go back and forth on that. I just I I don't necessarily oppose the draft. I just do

Abigail (Married)I do have concerns about it. I do. You had something, Abigail. Go ahead. Yeah. I'm curious if you're against the patriarchal system or if you're for it and what aspects like what specifics? I

Abigail (Married)mean all aspects. Yeah. All aspects. Just relationship the patriarch leading the society. No. No. Okay. No.

SPEAKER_04Definitely not. No. I think men are are are made by God typically to be leaders. Absolutely. Okay. Not that women can't be leaders in some aspects, but typically not the same way. Yeah. I'm

Andrew Wilsonjust curious. I guess something that Wait, hold on. Just why you're moving, right? Then they can't be leaders. They just like their leadership is a little too much. No, you're good. They

Brian Atlasdon't want to defy. Um, go ahead. So, it's interesting though. I I think most women don't have any qualms with

Brian Atlasthe current status quo of, okay, men uh they're the only ones that get drafted. They're the ones that fight the wars. They're the ones that overwhelmingly die. And there's really doesn't seem to

Brian Atlasbe much really any much uh of a social movement against forced military conscription of men by women. Uh most

Brian Atlaswomen are just like, "Yeah, I don't want to go to war. Men should be like, yeah, in some sort of Here, let me ask you a question. You said that men should not be drafted." Well, I I'm not necessar I I have concerns about it. What are your

SPEAKER_04like I again I think it I think it is I mean forcing people to fight for a country is can be a little bit against their bodily autonomy but no I do think it is sometimes necessary. It's not

SPEAKER_04great. I don't like that we're dragging people that don't want to be there. Yes. I agree with you. It's bad. Yeah. It's it's sometimes necessary though. Bad. Well, here's the scenario. War bad.

Brian AtlasYeah. War bad. Here's the scenario I would present to you is um so let's say there's an invading country. Let's I it doesn't even need to be a specific one. It's just a

Brian Atlashypothetical. Uh I don't know, Kazakhstan. They're become a military superpower or some [ __ ] And they're going to invade the country and they are uh they are

Brian Atlasuh here's their policy. If they invade the successfully invade the country, they're going to kill all the fighting age males in that country who aren't even in the military and then they're

Brian Atlasgoing to take all the women in the country as war brides. Uh do you think then you should compel men and here's the scenario. If you

Brian Atlasdon't compel men to uh you force them to join the military, to be part of the military, then you know definitively that you will lose this war against

Brian AtlasKazakhstan and they're going to grape all the women and kill all the men. Do you think then that it would then warrant forcing men so that the women don't get raped and all the men don't

Brian Atlasdie anyways to then fight? And if you do fight, then you have a 50% chance of winning versus just you will lose if you don't do this. Absolutely. That's why I'm saying I have concerns about it, but I do think it's sometimes something that's necessary, right? So that's but I

Brian Atlasmean that's the whole idea of okay, well there are some circumstances in which and look there's been drafts where like Vietnam War didn't need to shouldn't have been in that conflict to begin

Brian Atlaswith. That's a whole another conversation. Uh some drafts are not for like the the lifeblood protection of the nation. Um, but there are some that are.

Brian AtlasAnd so in this instance, it's like, okay, well, you would do that, right? Uh, so I'm just I don't know. It seems, but why not then compel women? I think

SPEAKER_04Well, I think men have a biological advantage and that's why we do draft men because they have um they're typically physically stronger. Um, but no, I I think that's why, but no, I think in

SPEAKER_04general, I'm I'm not necessarily opposed to draft. I just do have concerns. I mean, I don't think anyone here thinks, "Oh, it's great. It's fantastic that we're forcing people to fight." No, it's a necessary thing that isn't great. But

Brian Atlaswhat do men get for that sole burden and duty being placed on them? Well, it's not like women are just sitting back at home or they shouldn't be. What do you mean? Like they're they're still doing things to support men. They should be.

Brian AtlasYeah. But from the government down, what is the government compelling by force women to do in wartime? Nothing. Yeah. And I honestly like I think that it's

SPEAKER_04because men have a physical advantage, but no, I I agree. It's it's different in that way. Do you think that women that volunteer like you know like I

SPEAKER_04volunteer as tribute um like the that instead of a man like that has a family, a woman that volunteers and is like h well I have nothing going on for me so I'll just join the military. Do you

SPEAKER_04think that she could just get like an honorable like you know like status or something? uh you know once the war is over, once she completes her mission, uh

Brian Atlaswould that be something I guess applicable for that? I'm sorry, what? Oh, like um so pretty much it's a total nonsequator, but okay, what's your question? Oh, um well,

SPEAKER_04pretty much if let's say there's a man with a family and he gets drafted and this woman's like, "Hey, this guy's got a whole family going on. I have nothing to do. I'm a single woman. I might as well just go anyways. And I'm

SPEAKER_04able-bodied woman. Uh if she took his place, would she get an honorable or could she like get an honorable, you know, something for the Medal of Honor? I I don't know. Something. Yeah, I guess

SPEAKER_04if she would that give an incentive for more women to do it, but then again, like why wouldn't the guy women can volunteer for the military? Yeah. Well, yeah. It's just I mean one one of the problems with

Andrew Wilsonegalitarianism which is that you end up taking patriarchal systems and then lowering the standards so that women can participate. And that's exactly what happened in the military. It's exactly what happened in the police force. It's

Andrew Wilsonexactly what's happened across the board when it comes to any of the protectorate roles in society. Guess how many Navy Seals are women. I don't know how many. Zero. Oh. Okay. Really? And it's not

Andrew Wilsonbecause they can't be. In fact, they've been trying to get one to be for years and years and years, and they can't pass the training. They can't do it. They can't pass basic underwater demolition training. They can't. They're physically

Andrew Wilsonunable to accomplish this. The ones who were I did some research on the ones who were Green Berets. I didn't think there was any Green Berets. There is actually a few who are, but it turns out those were just political appointments ultimately, and they lowered the

Andrew Wilsonstandards that those women could pass as well. In fact, the very first one, the very first female Green Beret, two months after she completed her training, ended up getting arrested and going to

Andrew Wilsonjail because she discharged her own firearm negligently in her own house. Right? That's how these are special forces, right? This is the lowering of

Andrew Wilsonstandards and the deconstruction of patriarchal systems and military has to necessarily be a patriarchal system. There's no choice. You rely 100% on men for defense. Here, let me give a counter question. I'll start with a gal in red. She has a lot of political knowledge.

Andrew WilsonI'm not trying to pick on her. She just happens to be able to debate a bit because she has some political knowledge. So, um, what happens? What do you think happens if men stop the role of defending women in the country? What

Andrew Wilsonhappens? What happens to the country? It would probably you chair three chair. Oh, sorry. Ask your question again. I thought you were asking. Yeah. What do you think? What do you think happens to women and children in the nation if men

SPEAKER_04stop defending the country? What happens? Yeah. I mean, they would be negatively impacted. They I mean, well, they would be destroyed, right? They would be carried off as war brides. Yeah. No, that's why I think it's necessary. Unfortunately, it's just

Andrew Wilsonunfortunate. I I agree. It's necessary. So then Brian's question, which has gone unanswered time and time and time again, what the [ __ ] do men get out of that? What are we getting out of this? And that's what Brian wants to know

Andrew Wilsonultimately, right? He's like, what do I get for the fact that right this second, and this is the truth, this is the God's honest truth. right this second if war breaks out with China tomorrow we do not have a large enough of mass armed forces to deal with it for a prolonged period

Andrew Wilsonof time the government can easily turn to conscription not saying they would but they easily could Brian right if you need men especially it doesn't even matter if they have physical ailments they're going to draft your ass and that's going to be that he's eligible

Andrew Wilsonfor the draft they don't give a [ __ ] about his studio they don't care about what he's got going on in life they don't care if he's got millions of dollars in the bank or not they don't give a [ __ ] about any of that they're going to drag his ass up and hand him a

SPEAKER_04rifle and off work he goes. So, because that can happen to him, it can't happen to any of you. It cannot happen. What does he get? Well, what does he get? He gets his own personal freedom for one. And secondly,

SPEAKER_04women are viewed his own personal freedom taken. Erroneous. No. No. Wait, what? What? Go ahead. Wait, explain the personal freedom thing. No. So, by going to war and fighting for yourself, you're

SPEAKER_04fighting for your own personal freedom and the freedom of others. And that's something that we should Yeah, but women would get that too. What does the man get? No. Nothing. What I'm trying to say

SPEAKER_04is the woman women are considered in Christianity to be the crown and stuff. You get a crown, I guess you can say. I mean, look, you got to make a secular argument on this because there's there's

Andrew Wilsoncountries that are secular that draft for the submitted. Crowns are for the king, not for the submitted. Yes. That's what I The thing is is that Yeah. you get a crown and but unfortunately Heavy is the head that wears the actual crown.

Andrew WilsonIn this particular case, it's going to be the man who's in charge of the family. It's like what what do the men get socially in society for the for the fact that they have a social obligation to defend all of the women in society?

Andrew WilsonWhat are they getting for that? Hopefully, they would get a submissive wife. Well, they don't. Yes. They don't even get a country where they can reproduce. They have women who are infranchised with voting who vote. So like here, let me give you some more

Andrew Wilsonarguments here. Women are the deciding vote on almost all degeneracy in society. Anything that you would consider from a Christian perspective to be a degenerate action, be it LGBTQ, gay marri, all of this, women are always the

Andrew Wilsondeciding vote, which are the positive for those effects every single time. Yes, the trans phenomenon right now wouldn't even exist inside the United States absent women infranchised voting.

Andrew WilsonPeriod. That is actually the case. You can look at a map, a political distribution. You can see it for yourself. There's no ifands or buts about it. No. On top of all of that, here's the here's the other major issue

Andrew Wilsonthat you have because this is the case and men are expected to protect women in the electorate, but women can send them off to war that they themselves don't have to fight via their vote. That's a

SPEAKER_04fundamental unfairness which exists in society. Fundamental unfairness. That's why I agree with you on the fact that um only marriage married households should be able to vote. I'm saying currently it

SPEAKER_04is unfair and men do not have an advantage. But they do get an advantage if they uphold Christian values and um the country is predominantly Christian.

Andrew WilsonNo, I would say the country is no longer predominantly Christian. Um, I would say that it the majority of people do identify that way. But just selfidentification as we now know

Andrew Wilsondoesn't mean [ __ ] There's lots of people who selfidentify as being the opposite sex for instance, right? That kind of thing. That doesn't mean that they are. And just a simple self ID of IC Christian doesn't have anything to do

Andrew Wilsonwith your actual status as one. Yes. So the question just becomes this. There's if this fundamental inequality actually does exist, and it does, that women can vote in politicians that then send men

Andrew Wilsonoff to war against men's will, right? Why is it that men should put up with infranchisement from women to begin with? I don't think they should put up with it. They shouldn't. They shouldn't.

SPEAKER_04Yeah, they should not. They shouldn't. Yeah. I think um women need to uh seek marriage just as much as men need to seek marriage and stuff. And then if you have a Christian household, the man will

Brian Atlasfight for the woman and the woman will nurture the man and provide relief for him. Wait, so Andrew, is the is the for the question that you pose, what do men get?

Andrew WilsonIs it the vote? Is that the answer? They get that's not the that's not the Okay. No, men are supposed to get social duties and virtue from the opposite sex. That is I see. Okay. And they should get

Andrew Wilsonthat. Yeah. They get they get an equivalent social duty. I agree. For instance, with chair 3, there are ontological differences. The state of being between what men and women are itself are different. We're bigger.

Andrew WilsonWe're stronger. Right? We don't have the same influx of hormones when it comes to rationality. So, we tend to make more pragmatic decisions overall. Not. Now, this is not to say women are not logical. They are. Not to say women are

Andrew Wilsonnot rational. They are. Not to say that women don't have agency. They do. All of those things are correct across the board, but it is still the case they have influxes of hormones that men don't have to deal with. And the one of the

Andrew Wilsonbiggest stabilizers in a man's brains, testosterone, helps with rational decision-m and the skills of rationality itself. Men are uniquely equipped to deal with the political experience, whereas women are not uniquely equipped to deal with it. Does that mean that

Andrew Wilsonwomen are always going to make bad choices politically? No. But the pattern seems to be that they have so far. I'm not even saying you have to disenfranchise women, though I would limit the voting pool significantly for men and women. What I am saying is this

Andrew Wilsonspecifically, if men have to go sacrifice their lives on behalf of women, and that's the expectation that when the Titanic is going down, the men are the ones who get to stay on the ship and the women and children get the

Andrew Wilsonlifeboats. Then damn it, they get the big piece of chicken. And what that means, what that means is socially, if they get the big piece of chicken, that they get virtuous women. women are moving towards virtue in society and

Andrew Wilsontowards the reproduction of society itself in the great exchange of not hating men but elevating their status in society as the protectors of all of it and I think that that's a completely

Andrew Wilsonreasonable exchange that from the top down we could start promoting and it would make a huge difference in society for both of us. Absolutely agree. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. Well put. Well put,

Andrew WilsonAndrew. Well put. Um all right. I have one question. Andrew, what do you think are the We deserve a a champagne pop for that rant. I agree. I agree. Chicken. Wait, speaking of for coming into

Brian Atlaswhatever studio, we deserve one. Go ahead. I'll I'll get you in just a sec. Ogal, thank you for the gifted 50und memberships. Actually, you sent it in twice. Let me do the I the Streamlabs ding hasn't been working. I don't know

Brian Atlaswhy. Let me get that through. Thank you so much. And I'm also going to do it for Natalia and Cat. I don't know why Streamlabs hasn't been working for the ding, but I appreciate it. There's a

Brian Atlascouple chats that we'll get to. Ogle, uh, Andrew did call for the uh, you you don't have to do it, but if anybody in the chat wants to send in a champagne pop, gladly do it. We'll also probably

Brian Atlasget maybe some pizza going, too. So, uh, yeah. Thank you so much, Ogo, for the hundred gifted memberships. You're a [ __ ] legend, man. Ryan, if you order pepperoni pizza and not every woman on that panel has to eat pineapple, I'm

Andrew Wilsonnever coming back to the whatever studio again. I like pineapple. I like if they better only be pineapple that you order for people from now on. Since I had to

Brian Atlaseat that nasty piece of pineapple pizza on this one, I'm down. I'll pick the pepperoni off. Oh no, Andrew. That's a cuz then if it come then I got to eat

Brian Atlasthe pineapple, too. I I could pick it off like how you did and just, you know, pick it off. But it's it you know what, Andrew, even if you pick the pineapple off, I'm sure you'll agree with me on

Andrew Wilsonthis. It's still It's tainted. It's tainted pizza. It's just not It's like I mean, would you eat a piece of pizza somebody dragged their balls on?

Brian AtlasDepends on who. No, of course you wouldn't do that. Just kidding. Damn. Uh yeah. Yeah, definitely not. I definitely wouldn't do that. But, uh, okay, we have, uh, let's

SPEAKER_04see here. Oh, sorry, you had a question. Go ahead. Oh, you're good. Um, my question is like obviously like men would be drafted if something were to come up, but also like our most likely chances of war like nuclear were not

SPEAKER_04necessarily invading countries like um European theater like World War II, World War I. So, there's the chance that they might not need all of those men actually. And it's been decades since

Brian Atlasmen were actually at risk or actually sent out and conscripted. Well, American men, but if you look at Ukraine, you look at Russia, you look at Israel, uh yeah, they're definitely conscripting in

Brian AtlasUkraine. Actually, really quick on on Ukraine is compelling actually with Ukraine there. You can actually and I encourage

Brian AtlasOgle. Uh I I'll get in just a sec. Ogle, you're a legend. Um, you can look up there's hundreds of these videos coming out of the Ukraine of men. It's not just

Brian Atlaslike, well, I'm drafted now. And they send you a letter. They abduct you in the street. They beat you up. The military police beat you up and they abduct you if you resist them. Uh, and

Brian Atlasmost men are like, I don't want to go to the front in winter against Russia. Uh, no. And so yeah, they there's like

Brian Atlasgangs, military police gangs that will drag men into a van. Some beat them up if they're resisting. And there's hundreds of these videos of Ukraine.

Brian AtlasIt's captured on uh security camera footage, cell phone footage, these Ukrainian men being abducted by their own uh military. And then they go to

Brian Atlasthey'd get maybe six weeks of military training, put them in the trenches on the, you know, the where the military conflicts are uh along the Ukrainian border or wherever it is. And uh so

Brian Atlasyeah, men are being drafted. And I know you say, well, there'd be nuclear war. Uh sure, we do have nukes, but I mean there's mutually assured destruction mad. Uh, so I'm not really sure if I

Brian Atlasmean if it's like some I don't know how nukes are going to play out

Brian Atlasconceivable conflict, global war, World War III than at any time in the past few I mean well at least since the cold war ended. Yeah. Ultimately, the this is a I

Andrew Wilsonthink the most compelling argument the other side has that you just made, which is, you know, due to technology and the fact that it probably wouldn't be the majority of men anyway. Um, then then how is it compelling that all men would

Andrew Wilsondeserve to kind of enjoy whatever the luxury socially they would get from the fact that it is the requirement that it's going to be men who do go? I think that is the best argument the other side

Andrew Wilsonhas. So, I thank you for making it. My counterargument to this is Vietnam. During Vietnam, we had nukes. We had them and so did the whole world, right? Well, not the whole world, but the

Andrew Wilsonnuclear armed world like Russia, they had them. There was still a draft and um you know, tens and tens and hundreds of thousands of people went in the draft and many of them got shot to death by Vietnamese and uh and this type of

Andrew Wilsonthing. And in Vietnam, there was a draft as well. the 20th century, the largest killer of humanity, at least to date that we know of, was what's called democide, death by government was the

Andrew Wilsonlargest killer of humanity throughout the 20th, including right here, other than medical malpractice, even right here in the United States. Warfare dynamically will never change and it'll always reduce to after the bombs and

Andrew Wilsonafter the drones and after the mass destruction to men with rifles in their hands killing each other in trenches. It'll always be the same. It'll always be the same idea of suppress, um, flank, kill. It'll always come down to that.

Andrew WilsonSo, the thing is, it's like, no, you could have a global conflict again on par with World War II easily in the 21st century in which you saw half the population or more of able-bodied men

Andrew Wilsondrafted and sent off to war. And that is the fact of the matter. The US government knows it. They've drafted it into their war plans. They've made them all public for Americans to see. we know exactly what they think would happen in

Andrew Wilsonopening stages with many of the nations that we would go into conflict with. So I would have to refute this by just saying simply that's not a historic view of the draft and two uh that we could

Andrew Wilsoneasily get into a global conflict where a majority of men were in fact drafted.

SPEAKER_09I agree that we could too. Sorry, had to do it. Opal_glue.net net donated

SPEAKER_09$999. Pop champagne champagne bottle emoji glasses emoji. Oh, okay. That was a little impotent, but

RyderOgle, you're [ __ ] legend. Gigachad. Uh, who wants champagne? I'm okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hey, question. Since you're part of the LDS, you don't drink like at

Brian Atlasall? I don't drink any alcohol at Stop. Sorry. I'll have your glasses. I was just thinking about it right now. Wait, my wife's bringing me down a shot. You got to wait for me, too, before you go. We'll get We'll get it. We'll get

Brian Atlasit. Yo, Ole, guys. W's in the chat for Ogle. This guy's a [ __ ] legend in the chat. He's a uh Hold on. Let me He's a brave and a decent man. He's a pioneer.

Brian AtlasIt's true. He's a pioneer. Wait, what the heck? Uh thank you, Ogle. Wait, so uh you Lauren Lauren? Okay. So, all right. That's a lot though. All right. Lauren's going to have to drink most of

Brian Atlasit, though. That's okay. Hand bottle. Uh, hand that to Lauren. Uh, while we're doing that here, let me actually let this message come through. Oh, damn. Has this been waiting

SPEAKER_09for a while? Chris, I'm sorry. We just got caught up. $200 as feminism. A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered until something happens. Then she can

SPEAKER_09choose which state benefits her the most. That's why she doesn't want women to be drafted. Pass that down this way. Wait, why? Wait, what? To her? What's the question? Oh, no, no, not that. I'm

Brian Atlastalking about the question. I'm sorry. Uh, Chris Schroinger's feminism wanted a woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered until something happens. Then she can then then she can Wait, not yet.

Brian AtlasYou got to wait for the cheers. What are you doing? What are you doing, Lauren? You just blew the whole show. You blew it. All right. All right. I got to end the show.

RyderShow's over. All right. No, it's all good. Uh, cheers to uh nuclear proliferation. Wait, he doesn't have a shot. He doesn't have a shot. Oh, wait.

Brian AtlasOkay. Well, wait. I'll wait. I'll wait for choose. Uh, but Chris said, "Troinger's feminism. A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered until something happens. Then she can choose which state benefits her the

Andrew Wilsonmost. That's why she doesn't want women to be drafted. Oh, okay. My wife puts a little little cherry now. Oh, nice. Oh, nice. That was quick. What I call it, I

Andrew Wilsoncall it like it's a it's treats for Irish drunks, right? Because the cherry soaks in. It's really quite delicious. Nice. Ole, you're a [ __ ] legend, sir.

Andrew WilsonWhat do you drink, Andrew? Legend. Okay. Vodka for me. All right. Uh, let's see here. So what? Here's what happened. I'll tell you why. Very quick story. The reason I drink vodka instead of the

Andrew Wilsontraditional Irish men's drink, which is whiskey. Because I'm half English. The official foot or the official headwear of the Irish is the English boot or at least so I'm s told. Right. So what what

Andrew Wilsonhappens is if you mix the English tenacity for pressure with the Irish tenacity of just wanting to fight for no particular reason, uh you end up with one confused [ __ ] And that's who I am. And that's why I end up with

Andrew Wilsonvodka instead of whiskey. Do you drink Irish car bombs all the time? In fact, I went in one time to an Irish bar and asked for an Irish car bomb. And the chick told me that I was being racist. She said, "How would you feel? How would

Andrew Wilsonyou feel if I went to your country and asked you for a 9/11?" And I said, "Sounds delicious. What's in it?" And then they threw it on. Oh, I've heard about that. Some people get kicked out for certain drinks. There's other drinks, too. Yeah. Um, Christ is Lord.

Brian AtlasAndrew, what sect of Christianity was the thief on the cross? The thief came to salvation simply by repentant heart through his faith. Christ alone saves, not sex of Christianity. Do you a quick

Andrew Wilsonresponse to this? Yeah, I wouldn't make a salvific claim. However, the reason the thief on the cross was saved through the faith in Jesus Christ, he also

Andrew Wilsonaccepted all doctrines of Christ right then and there. All of them. That's what salvation meant and means today. The idea that you can have these heretics

Andrew Wilsonrunning around giving off false doctrine all the time for the purpose of everything from self- glorification to their minations in society um is the

Brian Atlasopposite of what the thief on the cross was which was humble submission to Jesus Christ and the acceptance of all doctrines of him. All right. Thank you

Brian Atlasfor uh that message there. Uh Christ is Lord. That that was his username. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. All right. Also, also that's not good enough, right? It's Christ is God, right? Christ

Brian Atlasis God. And let's see. We have uh you know what we need to do? Uh Stifler ask everyone to rate their own Actually, wait before we do that. Hold on. Uh I wanted to kind of wrap up on you know,

Brian Atlaswe spend a lot of time on this. I just had a couple things here, Andrew. And I wanted to get your thoughts on this. So, Andrew, woman, uh the wife needs to be

Brian Atlassubmissive. Obey, right? But are there and look I know for example like this would be the extreme argument. If the husband says well I want you to jump off a bridge. Of course

Brian Atlasyou would agree that that would not be a situation in which a woman should be submissive or obey. Of course not. Right. Um but that would be irrational.

Brian AtlasYeah. Yeah. But how far like that's an extreme example but along those lines of like what would be the mo like the

Brian Atlasstrongest argument in that example for example let let me ask you this um and and if it contradicted your own worldview so let's say you

Brian Atlaswere I'm trying to think of the best example so you are analyzing a orthodox man orthodox woman

Brian AtlasChristian and the wife wants to homeschool and let me Andrew my understanding you're in favor of homeschooling you think it's superior right so the wife wants sure the wife

Brian Atlaswants to homeschool the kids but the husband and I don't think that this would necessarily be uh anywhere near approaching a husband saying jump off a bridge the husband's

Brian Atlaslike no I prefer the kids to go to public school, but the wife is like, "Well, no." Uh, well, not saying no, but she's like, "Well, hold on. Uh, I want

Brian Atlasto homeschool the kids as the wife, but the husband's saying, "No, we're going to send them to public school." In that situation, while women ought to be submissive and obey their husbands, but

Brian Atlasyou would agree that the wife is right, I assume. Um, what would you say in that? I would agree that she's factually correct and he would be factually incorrect. But what would you say in that situation? What should the I guess

Andrew Wilsonthe So I'll answer both of these questions because they they're an answer to each other. God's nature is non-contradictory and unchanging. For

Andrew WilsonGod is the logos. Logic is also part of God's nature. Reason must comport to logic. So if somebody asks you to jump off a bridge does not comport to reason. And so therefore, you don't jump off the

Andrew Wilsonbridge. This would be a sign of the satanic. In fact, it doesn't comport the nature of God. So that's answer one. When it comes to the idea that uh a woman and a husband could disagree and the woman can be right. This does

Andrew Wilsonhappen. Of course, it happens. Especially, let's take the homeschool example. I would even say she was correct. Right. However, is what he's asking comporting with reason? Yeah, it comports to reason to say we want to

Andrew Wilsonsend your kids to a public school, things like that. she does still need to submit to his will. Now in this case you have children, you have family, you have other things. This is why I think the ecclesiastical authority of the church

Andrew Wilsonis so important and having a church body for support. They can still go to the body of the church to ask for assistance in making those kind of great decisions on behalf of their family. If they have

Andrew Wilsonthat kind of dispute which is going on, the church may still say you need to submit to your husband's authority and rightfully so, but at least there's a body of support there that secularists don't even have. They don't even have

Andrew Wilsonit. It's like so you already have a superior uh way of living immediately that that secularists don't even have access to. It's like uh in this particular case, you can still go to the

Andrew Wilsonbody of the church and ask for assistance. And this is done daily, by the way. Done daily. And by the way, inside of orthodoxy, for instance, or Catholicism, your priest, think of your priest like an assignment to you as a

Andrew Wilsonspiritual father, that's what they are. Their job day and night is to pray for you, assist you, help you in those big life decisions, and assist you towards the things that it is that you're trying

Andrew Wilsonto gravitate towards in life. And what's so interesting about it, for instance, when my father-in-law, he was literally on his deathbed, my I called my priest at 3:00 a.m. and left him a message and he was at the hospital 40 minutes later,

Andrew Wilsonright? I was like, "You might have to come down here and do the the last rights. I'm sorry to call you so late." He showed up with red eyes, right? It's completely exhausted. Had to go to work himself in a couple of hours, right? And

Andrew Wilsonsaid, "Well, I'm here, right? And whatever you guys need." that is a form of structure that you don't see often in that that secularists have access to. So it's like that that sort of ecclesiastical authority is necessary

Andrew Wilsonand I understand I understand the conflict that you bring up but I think still ultimately absent that absent that ecclesiastical authority she does need to submit to his authority. She does.

Brian AtlasOkay. Got it. Very well said. Yeah. I was just curious in a situation like that where uh you would be like you would side with

Brian Atlasthe woman in this case but it's not some extreme example like jump off a bridge it's just something like that even then that doesn't comport to reason right yeah that just doesn't comport to reason

Andrew Wilsonit has to comport to reason otherwise you're violating the very nature of Christian ethics immediately got it so that's just asking like um if if anytime somebody would ask you to violate

Brian AtlasChristian ethics themselves, your obligation then is actually to resist. Got it. Immediately resist. Okay. All right. Um, we're going to get to Stifler. Ask everyone to rate their own

Ryderlooks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Starting with you. Go ahead. Damn, that kind of sucks. I was going to say a seven. Um, I would say in my own head, I believe I'm a 10. I feel like

Brian Atlasevery woman should believe they're a 10, but I honestly I just I would say I'm a 10. But okay, should all And you said all women should believe they're 10. Yeah. Just in their own thought, but to

Rydersociety to What about men? Should all men believe their tens if they think so? They think that they have like a good leadership. They have a good moral. So there's no room for self-improvement and you think that's good. Yeah. No, you're

Abigail (Married)always good for self-improvement. But 10 means there's no room for looks. looks. Yeah, even looks still there's always room for improvement. Yeah, but that's up to you. What What are we improving? Like what are you talking about? Like

Abigail (Married)makeup or what? No, you could improve your health. That improves your appearance. Men can improve their physique. That improves their appearance. Yeah. So, okay. Um, but but

Brian AtlasI'm a 10 now and I'm a 10 when I have abs. Both men and women should view themselves as well. Okay. What about you? Uh, rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10. I just don't believe worth is defined in numbers. So, it's not something I do or believe in. Okay.

Brian AtlasWell, let's test this. Uh, would you date a dwarf? I was I was attracted to him and he met my standards. Are you typically attracted to dwarves? I haven't met that many.

Brian AtlasSo, would it be would it be your preference to date a like a guy who's physically fit and 6' one or a guy who's 4 foot n? My preference would be the first, but I'm just saying I don't I don't think it

SPEAKER_04needs to be quantified in numbers. I think it has intrinsic intrinsic worth and it goes outside of just phys. I just think it's vain to one through 10. Well, it wouldn't it be vain for you to not date somebody who's a dwarf.

Brian AtlasTechnically, if I had to face that decision, then yes. But I'm not in that case. But I mean, you're you're you are making an assessment of somebody on the numerical measurement. Someone's height.

Brian AtlasIt's literally a numerical measurement. Um, it's kind of just trying to reconcile the whole you can't make an

SPEAKER_04assessment on looks, but I I'm just saying that I am 100% happy with my looks. And if people want to use numerical values to gauge that on me or anybody else, that's fine. That's just

SPEAKER_04not a standard that I I hold to. I understand what you're saying about the dwarf and you know who would you pick this or that but I just think it's kind of um it's not reasonable and it's not

Brian Atlassomething accurately what's unreasonable about being able to make like a determination like let me ask you this do you can you look at two people and it could be two women it can be two men

Brian Atlaswhatever it is and can you make a determination as to if one is more attractive than the other yes that's just personal preference But that would be so okay but we can start rank ordering. So if I give you 10 10 10

SPEAKER_04people you could start maybe ranking them in terms of okay this he's most attractive next next next. But that's just not like a belief system that I choose to like apply to. So technically

Brian Atlasyeah I could I could sort them all but I just don't do that. Well I mean it's it's not even something that is proactively done. It's

Brian Atlasjust automatically happening. That is the nature of physical attraction maybe. I mean I Are you not physically gross um are you not physically attracted or do

Brian Atlasyou not find men physically attractive? Like you you don't cuz some women are like I'm uh what what's sapioexual and I only care it's [ __ ] but I only care

Brian Atlasabout their brain and stuff and their values or whatever. It's like, okay, everybody I it's it makes it's very hard for me to believe that someone's can't make determinations on looks. I could

SPEAKER_04make a determination, but the overall like factor and consideration of choosing one person over another is just such a bigger consideration because not only is it into physical pre visual physical preference, it goes so far

Brian Atlasbeyond that moral character. I think if we were just going off that all the time. Yeah. I I agree that there's things that that are more important and there's other factors to how uh what we

Brian Atlascare about when it comes to who we want to partner with. Uh but I think downplaying the fact that uh physical appearance and attraction are fairly

Brian Atlasimportant here. Uh I mean it's unreasonable. Um okay. So, but just to be clear, you don't care about physical attract like

SPEAKER_04you you don't care about looks in a men. I don't care about quantifying it in numbers and sorting people into boxes. I just don't think it's okay. Why Why would it not be okay? Because every

Brian Atlasperson has innate value. And I'm not disputing that whatsoever. Mhm. But

Brian Atlasum but you I I'm it would be fair to say that you would prefer to date somebody who's physically attractive that I'm attracted

SPEAKER_04to. Yes. And that can So you're sorting them into a box though. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not a numerical rate sheet of, oh, that person's in that category and I'm here and they're there. But yeah, I'm

Brian Atlasattracted to a person. Well, I mean, now you're sugar coating. It's like, okay, well, I'm not doing this. I'm not assigning a number to it. But like what you're actually doing when if you see like, let's say you're in a room and you

Brian Atlassee 10 men and you're going to be you're going to make determinations in your brain like this one's the most physically attractive. This one's the least physically attractive. Mhm. You're

SPEAKER_04doing it anyways. Yeah. And that's that's fair. I'm we all do it in our heads. We sort things. Um, but it's just not like a value system that I would choose to share on this platform. Like I

Brian AtlasI don't want to do that. Is it Is it because you're a 10? Is that because you think you're 10? You can just You want to say you're a 10?

Brian AtlasIt's okay. I won't be upset. You want You could All right. Um. Uh. Okay. Uh, do you have any racial

Brian Atlaspreferences? Like would you only date a white guy? No, I don't have any. You really? Yeah. You You'll date like a Indian guy, Asian guy. You're You've dated two guys, right?

Brian AtlasWhat uh were they both white? No, the last one was Middle Eastern. Middle Eastern. Okay. So, one one white guy, though, and one Middle Eastern guy. Mhm. Hispanic. No racial preferences? No.

Brian AtlasOkay. No. Hi. How tall was your last boyfriend? 6 foot. What about the boyfriend before that? 6'3. Ah, interesting. Now that we start to uncover the truth here. So, the average

Brian Atlasmale height's 5'10. Of the two boyfriends you've had, one of them is in the one percentile of men, 6'3. The other is like I think the top 10, top 15% of the men. Uh, how tall are you?

Brian Atlas56. 56. Right. Uh, so it's interesting to me that you say you would date a short guy. I've dated of the two men. Okay. Okay. But of the two men you had long-term relationships

Brian Atlaswith, both of them are above average height. That's kind of interesting. But you don't really care. I don't care about it. Women say this. I'm not really interested in what women say. I look at

Brian Atlaswhat they do. In your case, you dated two men that are one of which is well above the average male height. And six foot is uh there's a higher proportion of men that fall under uh six feet. But

SPEAKER_04there's two men that pursued me and they happen to be over six feet. What? Okay. Wait, so just to be clear, wait, they happen to be under six feet. They happen to be six feet. Six foot.

Brian AtlasWait, but are those the only two men who have ever pursued you in your entire life? No. Okay. I don't Yeah. Okay, cool. They You're just saying I'm looking what at a what a woman does. But

Brian Atlasthe men that you ended up in relationships with happened to be six feet and six foot three. Yeah. Okay. So,

Brian Atlasyou don't care about height, but look, I mean, it it doesn't necessarily disprove it, but it's convenient that you say you don't care about height, you don't care

SPEAKER_04about looks, but these are like like 99 one of the guys is like 99 to 10 to that. I'm not saying I disagree with the notion entirely. That would be absurd. But rating it on a

SPEAKER_04scale of 1 to 10 or I only date guys that are over 61 would just be dumb. How about this? Um, who do you think is the most beautiful woman in the world? And you can be like, uh, it doesn't have

Brian Atlasto be like right now. It could be Megan Fox when she was 20 or something. I don't know. How about this? Who's like

Brian Atlasa very beautiful woman who you think is like top tier? Um,

Brian AtlasLily James. Lily. Who the [ __ ] I don't know who that is. Um, do you think you're as attractive as her? No. Physically attractive. Okay. All right. Well, um,

SPEAKER_04don't think you're going to give an answer. So, what about you? Um, I, uh, I think that I mean, first of all, I think that, uh, in the eyes of the world, it's subjective. Um, in the eyes of God, we're all tens, but I think from a

SPEAKER_04worldly standard, I'm like an average person probably say I'm a six. Okay. But that's what I was trying to say earlier. Wait, hold on. True. True. That's what I No, no, not that you're a six. Not that

Ryderyou're a six. No, no, no. No, no. But like, yeah, in the eyes of everybody else, yeah, you should think you're a 10. But what society norms is, they're going to be like, but it is like how she said, personal preference because I could be like,

Ryderwell, I like them. I like these. And there is those shallow people that are like, "Oh, I will only date these type of people or these type of categories." So, it's just like a doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you should just care

Natalie (Seattle)what you think you are. All right. Well, I'll get into that in a bit, but um what about you? Um I agree with her in a lot of ways. Like I think quantifying it

Natalie (Seattle)just I mean it's kind of you know but like but again everybody does have the um like they I mean their own personal preferences, right? Like what I think is

Natalie (Seattle)going to be different than what you think. But I mean, just for sake of time, I would just say like I would just say like I would say an eight since I can't say a seven, but I would have gone with seven. Okay. Sure. Of course. All

Brian Atlasright. What about you? Do you want the two second answer or the 10 seconds? Two seconds. Two seconds. Um, eight. Okay. Okay. Six. All right. 3.7.

Abigail (Married)3.7. All right. Abigail. Yes. I would lean more towards six than I would eight. So, okay. I give myself a five. Andrew, what about you? Well, I mean, in the face of all these

Andrew Wilsonhigh numbers, how could I be anything less than a 10? It's true. Yeah. Wait, wait. Why are you laughing? You don't believe me?

Andrew WilsonIn God's eyes, you're a 10. So, yeah. See, I'm a 10. So, so you just So, then I guess the rating system just means nothing. I have a question.

SPEAKER_04So, um, there's a different question for guys. I've been told, you know, I mean, I've been in the adult entertainment industry for a long time. And some people have said to me, they're like, Lauren, you're not a beautiful woman,

SPEAKER_04but you're a cute woman. What is that? Like, that that's what I'm kind of like that's why I rate like an eight or like a 7.5 sometimes cuz I think that there's a difference between beauty in a woman

SPEAKER_04and cuteness. Like, it's it's it seems to be that's the answer. And I don't know really what these men see, but that's what the answer I have gotten. They see the same thing that you see. They say you're say these here, I'll

Andrew Wilsonexplain. When you say uh people say this ridiculous [ __ ] all the time. Yeah. You're not beautiful but cute. Yeah. They go beauty is subjective. It's like no it's not right. The same woman and the same man basically anywhere in the

Andrew Wilsonworld who looks at a person who has a hunchback and they're missing their teeth, right? And they have like burn marks on their face, pock marks and [ __ ] like that. They pretty universally are like, "Uh, no." Why? Because you're

Andrew Wilsontalking about ideas of reproduction. Yeah. Right. Attraction is based around ideas of reproduction. If you wonder why it is that men are attracted to youthful looking women. So, what is it's because they're attracted to the ideas of

Andrew Wilsonreproduction. Attraction wouldn't even exist except to assist with reproduction, right? That's what the whole point of it is. Question though. So, ultim hang on hang on. Let me finish and then you can ask the question. I think that's fair.

Andrew WilsonSo ultimately it just comes down to this. There are actually objective beauty standards and youthfulness. You're going to be looking for things like a um I think Disney used to kind of

Andrew Wilsonreally promote this quite a bit, right? The healthy looking woman, somewhat hourglass shaped, right? Hourglass shaped, very symmetrical features, right? Um and a very healthy look about

Andrew Wilsonrobust healthy look. Um and these are universals. These aren't just subjective features, right? These are things almost all of us, this is why I think women and men will often look at women and be

Andrew Wilsonlike, "Wow, she's beautiful." Both of us can make the same assessment. That's a beautiful woman. Because we still understand what the attractive levels are between the interexes, right? My my Yeah. And I I understand that. And I

SPEAKER_04guess my question is is what does guys mean by when they say you're Lauren, you're not a beautiful woman, but you're a cute woman. What does that mean? And I I've heard that a few times. Like I'm talking like over 15 times. It makes you feel like a puppy. So I just don't know

Andrew Wilsonwhat it means. It means that you ain't Jennifer Love Hewitt in the '9s, but they'd bang you. That's okay. I get that. That's what it means. Like I got that. No [ __ ] No

Andrew Wilsonnonsense. You ate 90s Jennifer Love Hewitt, but they'd bang you. That's say you're cute. Thank you. That's That's what we want. You're welcome. Oh, by the way, we're getting some

Brian Atlaspizza. That's coming soon. I need a little need a little pizza break. Um, so you said women should just think they're tens. Yeah, but I think men should think that, too. Wait, can you just maybe And I think that men that I think everybody

Brian Atlasshould think that, though. Wait, are you wearing a cross? I thought you weren't Christian. What the [ __ ] Is that just like an accessory to No, no, no. It's just a Well, my grandma gave it to me. Oh, okay. All right then. Sure. All

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