Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

Date: 2025-04-14

Duration: 8h 02m

Guests

CCaitlyn (Virgin)

LLauren (Brothel)

LLydia (Pro-Life)

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

NNatalie (Seattle)>

AAbigail (Married)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Abigail (Married)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ryder(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Natalie (Seattle)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentAndrew Wilson defends male authority/headship in marriage. Significant pushback.

Key Moment$999 champagne pop from Ogle

Key MomentRyder's TikToks: nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband

ControversyLydia's abortion clinic confrontation video — most contentious segment

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Ryder (abusive ex), Maddie (LDS), Lydia (pro-life), Natalie, Lauren (brothel), Haley (dairy), Caitlyn (virgin), Abigail (married at 19).

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby

Panel reacts to Ashley discussing having Elon Musk baby.

Andrew Wilson Authority in Marriage

Andrew defends Orthodox Christian male headship. Significant pushback.

Ryder TikToks

Nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband TikToks. Ethical debate on posting about exes.

Lydia Abortion Clinic Video

Most contentious segment. Confrontational interaction with clinic staff.

IVF Burning Building Hypothetical

Save 5-year-old or 1,000 embryos? Tests embryo personhood beliefs.

Transcript

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Brian Atlassecondary phone taking photos of the conversations on Signal with Elon Musk and where it's like there's an implied there's an

Brian Atlasimplied component of these are going to be private conversations. We're not going to be and she leaked all of those in her lawsuit. She leaked it to the press and that's super despicable. Um and mind you, she didn't release all the

Brian Atlasconversations. She only released the conversations which which tended to I don't even think they really made her look good or were exculpatory in any sort of way. Uh released some of them that kind of made her look a little

Brian Atlasbetter, made him look a bit more culpable. So, it's all intentional. And she I'm pretty sure she was in the hospital. one of these screenshots that she took or uh photo that she took from

Brian Atlasa secondary phone of their private intended to be private communications. She took it on the day she gave birth with him. That's crazy. Like she's in

Brian Atlasthe hospital. She's at least that's what is indicated. She's in the hospital bed and she's like plotting against Elon

Brian AtlasMusk like even before there was and this is even before there was any sort of conflict. Uh she was taking screenshots going way back of their communications when things were good and she was trying

Brian Atlasto get a second kid. She wanted another kid from him. It's wild. There's a bunch of There's so much to it. We're not going to get into all of it. Let's let me just wrap up really quick on this. Scroll down. So Laura Loomer uh Oh, I

Brian Atlasforgot. Elon No, scroll down. Scroll down. Elon Musk responds to Laura Loomer where and he says, "I don't know if the child is mine or not, but I'm not against finding out. No court order is needed." Scroll down a bit. Despite not

Brian Atlasknowing for sure, I've given Ashley $2.5 million so far. Uh, and that's the kid's been alive for less than a year and he he's sending her $500,000 a year. And then scroll down just a little bit. She

Brian Atlasresponds, "Elon, we asked you to confirm paternity through test. Before I ch before our child, who you named was even born. You refused. Uh, hit show more. He gave 2.5 million when the paternity was

Brian AtlasNo, no, no, no, no, no. Show more. Okay. Yeah. Uh, and you weren't sending me money. You were sending support for your child that you thought was necessary. Well, yeah, that's Oh my god,

Brian Atlasthis girl. Oh, okay. Sending me Yes. I mean, the the mother the mother gets the money. Uh, and then he was also paying for a $40,000 apartment. He got a Tesla.

Brian AtlasI think he was paying for her security details. So, like, she was getting the money. So, I don't know what what that's about. Until you withdrew most of it to maintain control and punish me for disobedience. I don't know what most of

Brian Atlasit means in this context, but but you're really only punishing your son. He's claiming he's still paying her. He's already paid her 2.5 mil and he's agreed

Brian Atlasto pay her 500,000 a year. I'm sorry. She's set for like she could stop working. She's set for life. Just off the child support. You don't need

Brian Atlas$500,000 a year to raise a kid. She continues though by saying, "It's ironic that your last effort in court scroll down. Scroll down. It's ironic that your last effort in court was to try to gag me while you use a social media channel

Brian Atlasyou literally own to distribute derogatory messages about me and our child to the entire world. It's all about control with you and everyone can see it. America needs you to grow up, you petulate manchild.

Brian AtlasUm, and then I'll read this one from Laura Loomer. Ashley, you don't need 3 million to raise a baby. This is so outrageous that you had sex without birth control. You seem to have plotted for many years how to get Elon Musk to

Brian Atlasknock you up. There's uh just some context here. There's some screenshots of her old tweets saying like kind of pointing towards her like there's like premeditation when it

Brian Atlascomes to her like pursuing Elon Musk and some uh there's some kind of damning uh tweets that she put out a while ago and and also uh messages. You're complaining because you want more money for a baby.

Brian AtlasIn what world does it cost more than 500,000 a year to raise a on a baby? Excuse me, guys. Not to mention, you were making over $25,000 a month on X payments. How does one person need that much money to survive? This is an insult

Brian Atlasto everyone. Scroll down. You're trying to cash out on a billionaire who you baby trapped. Okay, there it is. Laura Loomer doing uh some pretty good

Abigail (Married)reporting on on all that. Uh so, is anyone actually falling for her stuff? Like, does is anyone on her side? I can't see how anyone could be. There's

Abigail (Married)there's some there's definitely some, but I think a lot of people are like they see through it. They're they're kind of like calling her out a little bit. I think there's a lot we don't know, too. That's true. So, I think we know enough. He know I think that he

Abigail (Married)knew from everything he's showed me so showed us so far. I can't imagine how anyone could be falling for they must have what she's saying and doing. They must have done a paternity test or something to confirm the baby was his

SPEAKER_04cuz 2.5 million just immediately given like that's just a lot like like I feel like he knows like it's solidified it's his and but yeah that's yeah. Wow. Well

Brian AtlasI don't know. I mean they got to do paternity test. They got to do it might not be his. That's a [ __ ] Jerry Springer moment right there. Um all right. Well we're going to move on. The baby isn't his like that poor child. I

SPEAKER_04know. Wait, what's that? the the poor kid like obviously it's getting monetary money like just money and stuff and it's probably going to have some Ferrari when it turns 16 or whatever but it needs a present father as you stated before I

SPEAKER_04was raised in a very wealthy household but I was very very blessed that my father chose me over work every single day but I mean who's so are you is that that's more so the fault of Ashley Sinclair though yeah no I'm not saying

SPEAKER_04it's not her fault I actually think it's stupid of her to sue this dude when she's making money and I also feel like it was stupid of them both to have sex. Okay. All right. We are going to move on

Brian Atlasto the next topic. It's going to be somewhat related to balancing career and uh family. So, uh I'm going to have you pull up that video, make it full screen

Brian Atlason YouTube. Uh this is a clip of Andrew. You're going to put in the video video tab, too, for this guys. Perfect. Uh, go ahead and

Andrew Wilsonplay. How do you show respect to your wife? Oh, all sorts of ways. I basically give her whatever the hell she wants. I adore her. But here's the thing. The reason that I do this is because if I say this is what ultimately is going to happen, that's the last word in it, and

Andrew WilsonI don't even want to have the conversation. We don't. Now, she may really want to, and I can tell sometimes that she really does, but I don't care because it's my decision ultimately. So, you don't care about how she feels? Oh, no. I didn't say I didn't care how she

SPEAKER_00feels. I just don't care to have her question my authority, autonomy over the marriage, you know. Was there initial conversation prior to that or is it just like we're doing this, don't ask? Depends on the context. I say more for like bigger decisions in life, not

Andrew Wilsonnecessarily like little things, even larger decisions. If ultimately, let's say I went home and I said, "We're moving to Nevada in 3 weeks. Get your bags packed and I'm not going to have a I don't want to hear a word about it. You're doing it and that's the way it's

Andrew Wilsongoing." And you think that's respectful? I think that ultimately it's my choice and how she shows me respect. Yeah, that's how she shows me respect. Okay, let's get reactions. Uh, starting

Ryderwith you. Truthfully, honestly, if he is like paying for everything and she has no job and like she's a like traditional like wife, you have no say.

RyderHe literally found you he found you a different all sorts of ways. Wait, what? Highly successful, celebrated author who makes a bunch of money. Oh, yeah. See? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just moved to Nevada,

Ryderbabe. It's probably a bigger house. Just move. No, no, no. Her she Oh, she is. Oh, yeah. Number one in her category.

Andrew WilsonI mean, at least um she was for a couple of years. Number one in your category. And then you know what I do? I take her cash. I spend it on guns. I just take it right out of her

Abigail (Married)hand. that her royalties is mine and I go spend it on guns. I mean, you made it pretty clear in the beginning. You give her what she needs and what she wants. So, I don't looking at it. Hold on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04Your thoughts on that. Um, I think relationships are always should be a group discussion, but biblically like it makes sense. Um, I agree, but I always think that, you know, some kind of input should be appreciated and I know at least I would

SPEAKER_04want that in my marriage. And if that's how it works for you, Andrew, that's great. Um, but that's kind of just a personal thing. What, but what if there's a uh there's just a disagreement and

SPEAKER_04there's been input given from both sides. Who's the tiebreaker, the husband or the wife? I guess it depends on the relationship that you're in and how you guys

SPEAKER_04determine that Christian biblical rel marriage. What about for yours personally? Um, personally right now I'm not in a relationship, but I think I I Wait, wait, wait, wait. Be quiet back there, please. I really value my future

SPEAKER_04husband's opinion and I definitely take that into consideration, but at the same time, I think there also needs to be consideration for everybody's health and well-being and thoughts in the relationship. And so, while I do respect your opinion on that, I think there also needs to be you always need to

Abigail (Married)acknowledge people's opinions because that's how you facilitate a healthy relationship, whether it's biblical or not. Um, I disagree. I think going into

Abigail (Married)the marriage, you can take into account if this is going to be a man who's going to take care of you, but once that decision is made, you're putting things in his hands. Now, for you and even for

Abigail (Married)me, um, picking a man who you know will take into account your thoughts, feelings, opinions is important. Um, like he said, if there's a disagreement and your input has been given, if the

Abigail (Married)man has made a decision, you chose him as your husband. So, I would say you have to submit. Cool. I love that's your opinion. That's great.

Brian AtlasOkay. Um, Andrew, I actually uh Well, I I I have a question for you, Andrew, on this, but I I want to get some more feedback from the rest of the guests on this. Your reaction to the video. You're

SPEAKER_04married, you're Christian. Your thoughts. So, Andrew, I think you're hopefully exaggerating how you would tell your wife to get the bags and pack up and go uh move somewhere. No

SPEAKER_04exaggeration. No exaggerate. Well, I think you're being a jerk about it then. Um but soative to be a jerk, too. You what? It's my prerogative to be a jerk, too. Yeah. Well, I don't think that's

SPEAKER_04biblical. Um but um No, I do. I mean, you're non-denominational. Cares what you think is biblical. Uh, no. I I'm not a denominational because I follow the Bible. Um, so so I do I do agree with

SPEAKER_04you though. Made up made it up 300 years ago version of the Bible. Took took books out of the Bible. But okay, go ahead. Um, no. Um, but no, I think that I I do agree with you to an extent. I do

SPEAKER_04think that um, the Bible does place the husband in a role um, where he is supposed to have the final authority. Um, but I do think in a help healthy biblical marriage, part of a husband

SPEAKER_04loving his wife is getting having a discussion and taking her her her keep going. Sorry. Um, um, and and taking her input into consideration

SPEAKER_04while still making that final decision. Um, but no, I think just uh ignoring anything she has to say isn't loving. I think you should absolutely listen. What the clip said? What did the clip say? Clip said didn't say that you ignore

Andrew Wilsoneverything they say. Well, you said you said you the ultimate authority revolves around the man. So, if it did come down to a situation where I said, "Listen, this is going to happen and I'm not looking for objections and I'm not

Andrew Wilsonlooking for input because this is important. You just need to do what I'm telling you to do." That's exactly what she needs to do. Well, if there's an obviously like if the house is burning down, yes, you should. What about if the house is burning down? Even on a major

SPEAKER_04life decision, who is the head of the family biblically? Who's the head? Yeah, it's absolutely the husband. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't take input. I cannot think of a situation where you would not want where you

Andrew Wilsonshould not take input from let's break this down and see if this is correct in a marriage right the body of the church is represented by the woman and the head the Christ head is represented by the

SPEAKER_04man Jesus Christ told you to do something would you do it or would you go you need to take my input first if it was urgent obviously I would do it right then and there like again if the house is burning down and my house if Christ

SPEAKER_04told you so if Christ told you something to do something. Can I finish? Can I finish? What? Yeah, go ahead. So, if if my husband says the the house is burning down, we need to go now. I'm going to get up and go and I'm not going to question you. That wasn't my question.

Andrew WilsonPlease answer my question. Here's my question. I'm not done talking. Go ahead. Yeah, but you're listen. When you if you if you begin to talk to answer a question I didn't ask, I am going to cut in and reask the question because you're not answering the question I asked you.

Andrew WilsonYou're just making excuses for talking. Do you believe that the woman is the the representation of the body of the church and that the man is a representation of the head which is the Christ head as Paul lays down uh for his marriage

Andrew Wilsonprescription. Do you believe that that is the case? Yeah, absolutely. I think the the husband is supposed to be the head but he should still if the man is the head if that is the case if the man is the head and is the reflection of the

Andrew WilsonChrist head what situation would you ever be in where you would question Christ? It's not questioning. I'm not questioning Christ. Um, well, then you're supposed to obey the

SPEAKER_04representation of the Christ head as Paul says, submit to your husbands as you would unto the Lord. And for the record, there are times where I I sometimes I think it's it's healthy to

SPEAKER_04talk to God and be like, "Hey, I don't know how I feel about this." And maybe pray about things. And so, it's not like always it's okay to ask questions and it's okay to give input. like I have a

SPEAKER_04conversation with God. Um, and sometimes I I obviously do I follow Christ. Um, but that doesn't mean that you can't always provide input. And I think that it's healthy in a marriage um for your h

Andrew Wilsonfor a husband to listen to their wife. Um, obviously not dispute though. We're not disputing that it's that it's healthy or unhealthy for a husband to accept input from his wife. No, I'm not saying you have to accept his authority.

Andrew WilsonWe're Yes. Exactly. We're disputing authority. So if this is a case husband has authority and refuses input from his wife on certain situations, he's supposed to have the authority to do so. Yes or no? Right. No, no, no. I'm I I

SPEAKER_04absolutely agree. He does not have to accept input. He needs to listen. He should listen to what she has to say. You need to listen. You should absolutely have a conversation about big things. Obviously, if it's an urgent thing, to the head. It's up to the head.

SPEAKER_04It's up. It is. And at the end of the day, yes. I don't think it's truly loving your wife if you are making decisions without because she might have valuable input to add to the

SPEAKER_04conversation that might um might change his decision, his final decision. Perhaps she even does, but it's not up to her, is it? Right. No, I I never said it was up to her. All I'm saying is So

Andrew Wilsonif it's up to the authority, if it's up to him and he doesn't want input, you would have to back that up by your own logic of saying that's rational, reasonable, and biblical. No, absolutely. I have continued to say he does not have to necessarily agree with her input, but you're you're saying

SPEAKER_04that's why I clarified at the beginning. Are you exaggerating about going in and telling your wife, "We're moving in 3 weeks now. Let's go." Um, or is he act are you actually going in and saying, "Hey, I think we should move in 3 weeks." What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_04And you do not have to listen. You do not have to listen to her input. But you should be loving to your wife and care about what she thinks. That's not not love. Listen, first of all, it's not unloving for you in a position of

Andrew Wilsonauthority in the head of your household to make unilateral decisions on behalf of the wealth of your family or the health and wealth of your family. That is your decision ultimately is the head, the representation of the Christ head. What you're spouting is feminist

Andrew Wilsonnonsense. You're trying to dispute authority, male patriarchal authority within a Christian setting. By saying this, the husband ought to still even in a situation where he has unilaterally as

Andrew Wilsonthe head of the household decided what the decision needs to be should still take input from his wife. Even if he said in this particular case, whatever the context is, I don't want input. It's

Andrew Wilsonjust necessary that we do this. Um, if he is the authority, if he is truly the authority from your worldview, you need to respect and obey his authority and submit to it. Correct. I I

SPEAKER_04agree. But if you are just blind, if you're making decisions and being a jerk about it and not and not listening in cases, obviously, again, I will reinstate it. What makes it jerk behavior? What makes it Because you're you're making a decision and not caring

SPEAKER_04about what she has to say. I'm not saying you have to agree a jerk. That does a jerk. I don't know what marriage you're in that you do not have discussions about important life events with your wife. Why you don't care? No, that's that's what that was your

Andrew Wilsonwhole argument is that you were deciding. You're using an extremist argument. So what I'm saying is this. There can be situations in which you as the authority, the ultimate authority, autonomy, the head of your household,

Andrew Wilsonthe representation of the Christ head as whom the wife is to obey and submit as she would unto the Lord. Okay? Can say, I do not want any questioning of any

Andrew Wilsonkind, nor to even have a conversation about this. I simply want my will in this for the family executed. But what if you're not doing the Lord's will? Hang on. Your job as a wife is to submit and obey that authority. Now to say that

Andrew Wilsonwell husbands there's that they should take input from their wives. Nobody's disputing that. Husbands always almost always take input from their wives. They almost always discuss decisions uh between themselves and their wives. But

Andrew Wilsonthere could be instances where they choose not to and have valid reasons. And it's not for you to concern yourself with those reasons. you're it's for you as a uh woman representing the the

SPEAKER_04Christian aspect, the female aspect, the body to submit to his authority. That's the Christian. That was my whole point that there might be valid reasons tracking your point. Like if my husband said there's a fire, we need to get out.

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to question him. I'm going to get up and get out even if I don't see the fire. Definitely not an emergency though. I'm talking about whatever it is that he is deciding unilaterally is that important

SPEAKER_04that he wants to have zero discussion on his job is to obey. What what what are situations where he would not want input? Okay, that's up to him. Okay, then let's talk not you. Then I Well,

SPEAKER_04that's the issue is I'm talking about how hey, that might be a sign that maybe you're a jerk husband if you're in situ cuz I can't think of any situation. Maybe it's a sign that you're a controlling wife who wants equal authority with your husband. never said

Andrew Wilsonequal authority. You are making stuff up. Decisions to unilaterally lead you when he thinks that he needs to uh uh control and have authority over whatever the situation is. Maybe you're just a controlling wife. Maybe you're a wife

Andrew Wilsonwho just doesn't trust your husband's leadership. Maybe you're a bad Christian wife who doesn't trust your husband's leadership and won't submit to his authority because if he says unilaterally, I have the authority. We

SPEAKER_04need to do this and you need to obey, then your job is to submit. Did you I want you wanted to come in. So, we'll have you come in. What if he's not following the Lord's will? What if he's going directly against what they

Andrew Wilsonbelieve the wife believes is not the Lord's will and she's meant to submit to Christ before you? So, who's who's the representation in inside of the church? I don't know about

Andrew Wilsonyou, but inside of the church, we have things called bishops, priests, things like this. This has always been the case that a wife could stray away from fulfilling wely duties or husband

Andrew Wilsonhusbandly duties based around various aspects of their Christian faith. When that happens, there's a redress of the ecclesiastical authority of the church who often will step in and do things

Andrew Wilsonlike counseling, assist with these problems, help them remove themselves from error. Now, secularists always laugh when you say this, but what's so hilarious is they demand the exact same thing. They demand a governmental seized

Andrew Wilsonauthority which can step in to assist them with the same types of problems. Uh marriage counseling, psychology, uh divorce courts, uh child child custody agreements. They're asking for the same

Andrew Wilsonthing. They're asking for an authority to step in and assist with the moderation of problems which may arise in that marriage dynamic. Christians have the exact same recourse. And is it possible that a husband could ask you to

Andrew Wilsondo something outside of the realm of reason? Right? In some rare instances, sure, but you have redress there. There's higher authorities that you could move within the church to get redressed to know that you're doing the

Andrew Wilsonright thing or not. Now, most of the time, the likelihood is is that inside of the traditional churches, the priest is probably going to say, "You need to obey your husband." And a lot of women are resistant to that. That's why in

Andrew WilsonOrthodoxy, you see such a split between the sexes. In Catholicism and in Protestantism, not so much. Women are the majority. But women are the ones who are the most resistant to the idea of

Abigail (Married)the submission to the husband. You had something Abigail or um I mean I think what he's been saying is pretty well said. When we go back to the

Abigail (Married)original video that brought up this discussion, they asked him like, "Do you consult your wife or and he said that I mean he even said just now that he

Abigail (Married)doesn't dispute that a man should consult a wife and listen to her opinion, but he made it very clear that it's situational. And if he says

Abigail (Married)that this is what's going to happen and I don't care to hear questioning, then ideally if you chose a good man and you chose to marry this man, then if he's if he's not wanting to hear your

SPEAKER_04questioning, he's probably got a good reason as to why. What would be one of those reasons? What would be a reason why you place to question that, though? Right. But I'm talking about how that's

SPEAKER_04an issue on the guy's part. like, hey, why are you not willing to hear input from the person that you care about? I don't think that's in dispute, though. So, yeah, he he already said it's situational, but what situ can I can we even think of a situation where there

Andrew Wilsonwould not where there would be a reason not. Well, this is the problem, right? So, think of it like you would in the military. Think that you were in the military for a second and there was a general. the general, right? Being a good leader is um you know, sometimes

Andrew Wilsonthat's going to require a discussion with the soldiers who are beneath your chain of command in order for you to make good decisions based around you know the the various executions of what you need to do in the battlefield absent the battlefield things like this. But if

Andrew Wilsona general comes in and says, "I don't really want to hear your opinions. Execute your your duties and shut your mouth." Um you really don't have any recourse against that, right? Because he's in authority. The question is not this. Hang on before you before you

Andrew Wilsonrebutt about whether or not a marriage is this or that. We're talking about this from the frame of a Christian purview. What is the frame in a Christian worldview, right? Not from a secularist worldview in which your feelings get hurt and so you get mad and

Andrew Wilsonyou don't like doing it, blah blah blah blah blah, but rather what are your duties to Christ and what are your duties to your husband? What I'm saying is that whatever the situation is, right, that you would consider rational

Andrew Wilsonor irrational, one thing I came up with is he feels the need to move jobs. Now, perhaps he has a type of wife that can instill doubt in him, right? And he doesn't, for this particular case, want any sort of doubt. She's not a bad

Andrew Wilsonperson. She usually reinforces what he says, but maybe this decision he just feels like consulting her for some reason not the best idea. It's h ultimately up to him and his authority

SPEAKER_04and for her to be obedient to his claim of authority. That's ultimately what a Christian marriage is, right? But can you think of a situation where that would be necessary? That's the thing. Like I just did he just gave a

SPEAKER_04situation. No, like I know the whole like and when there's a general and everything in charge, but like you're the whole thing that brought this whole up is a situation of specific situation for moving now. I don't know. Yeah. I Well, I still don't get why you can't

Brian Atlaslike afterwards like have a conversation. I I got one. I got one. Let's take her. She was in a relationship with a man. I know there was a component of there was a mismatch when it came to uh mismatch when it came

Brian Atlasto he was a Mormon. You're non-denominational Christian. She didn't want to have kids yet. She wanted to be boss babe. And I asked her, "Well, would you continue working if your husband was capable of

Brian Atlasproviding you for you and your family?" And your husband said, "I don't want you to keep working. I'm making enough money to support the family. I want you to 100% focus. I know you want to work. I

Brian Atlasknow it fulfills you in some way, but we're married. I'm the husband. I don't want you to work. I want 100% of your attention on our children and the

SPEAKER_04household and me. Is that is that a satisfactory example? No. No. Because I think you can still have a conversation about that. You don't have to listen to what she has to to the input. But I think conversation at all. Yeah. If

SPEAKER_04you're not going to listen, then the conversation is Well, I think you should I think that's the issue. I think you should be open to what you're obviously there are situations where yes, it's important to make that decision. But so let me ask you, you're usurping authority from the husband. You're

Andrew Wilsonlisten I I want to show you the contradiction your worldview so that you can understand it. When you say you the husband who is the leader and the authority in my Christian marriage who I

Andrew Wilsonhave submitted to need to do X, you are usurping his very role as the leader. you're demanding him to be. So when you say you need to accept X input or X thing from me when he says no I do not

Andrew Wilsonand in this case this is for the betterment of the household and family it is not for you to question. If you usurp that hang on you are in what is called the role of Satan right? You're usurping the authority from what you

Andrew Wilsoncall the Christ head. The not kidding this is the Christian worldview. The idea that the man is the representation of the Christ head in the marriage. If you're going against the authority of

SPEAKER_04the Christ head, what is that other than satanic? You tell me. I'm not saying I wouldn't listen to him. I'm saying that it's healthy to have conversations about things. And okay, let me let me ask you this. Hold on. I'll get I know you guys

Brian Atlasare raising your hands. I'll get you guys in in just a sec. So, when you say have a conversation, I don't think Andrew is disputing that the husband can counsel Hold on. Hold on. The the

Brian Atlashusband can counsel with his wife, get input from her. But how many subsequent conversations and disagreements and eventually fights do we need to have before the husband gets his will? Well,

Brian Atlasit doesn't have to be a fight. It can be a conversation. But so here, let me let me roleplay this. I don't want you to go to work. I want you to stay at home with our kids. Okay? We can have a conversation about how but but how much

Brian Atlasdo you need to are you going to just nag me until I bend to your will? No. Okay. But how many conversations need to take place? I It depends on the Can is just one conversation okay? Yeah. As long as

Brian Atlasthere's no followup needed. Yeah. But but so what? Hold on. Hold on. So hold on. So what if the determination on my part is I Okay, cool. We I heard all

Brian Atlasyour inputs. You you made a PowerPoint presentation. Here's why I want to work. Here's why I want to work. I'm going to be able to find I'm going to be happier and it's going to be a financial benefit to the family because I'm going to make

Brian Atlasbe making x amount of additional money and we can go to the Bahamas bl whatever it is and I'm going to listen there and sit there. I'm not going to interrupt you. You can you can give me your PowerPoint presentation for why you should be a boss babe when I want to

Brian Atlashave kids and a family and want you to stay at home and I can provide. I've listened to it. Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. I've listened to it. I've listened to it and I'm like,

SPEAKER_04"Thank you for sharing." Nah. No. So, I say no. Yeah. What's the next step? Yeah, I would respect that. Absolutely. Would you respect that? Yeah. Depending on the case, I would.

SPEAKER_04What? What you What do you mean depending on the case? If the husband was fully able to provide for my family and there wasn't going to be any detriment to me not working and it would only be a benefit to my children, then in that case, yes, I would. What do you mean a detriment to you not working?

SPEAKER_04Didn't you say there was like some greater calling fulfillment when it came to you? There is fulfillment and I think I would find that later on in motherhood where like kids are going to school. I could pick that up. This is my personal wants. It doesn't need to match

SPEAKER_04everybody else in this room. But I think that for the time being if it was at the greater benefit my kids, me being at home and raising them, especially when they're young, I would do it. So, okay,

Brian Atlashow about your husband says this? You're married. You have three kids. And he's like, "Nah, you're just not going to work." Maybe he might be like, "You know

Brian Atlaswhat? Once they're once they're all out of college." How about that? Are you going to be happy with that? I can't tell you no. Wait, you can't tell me no. I can't tell you now. Oh, you can't tell

SPEAKER_04me now. But I am I will be marrying a husband who would be willing to have a conversation with me that appreciates, you know, my thoughts as well. And he appreciates your thoughts, but like he's like, I've heard the PowerPoint

Brian Atlaspresentation for why you want to be a boss, babe. I I I appreciate your thoughts, but my decision is no. What then? Then that's fine. We can make an

SPEAKER_04agreement on it. If it's a b greater benefit, like I've said before, to me being at home with the kids, if the house is taken care of, financials are good, and that's great. Everybody can live a happy life, healthy food in the

Andrew Wilsonhome, able to live a positive, you know, and no, it's that's negotiations. The opposite of submission is negotiation. So, the thing is is like, let me get let me give you like a a very clear-cut

Andrew Wilsonexample, something that maybe uh nobody can dispute. Women often due to hormonal regulation become extremely irrational especially when they get very close to certain

Andrew Wilsonsituations or decision-m right and sometimes right due to that irrationality I think it's perfectly acceptable for a husband to do things like say you're [ __ ] irrational you're overly hormonal you need to shut

Andrew Wilsonup and go away or walk away from this situation that's exactly what you need to do and you need to go somewhere calm down and you don't get a say you don't get a say what's wrong with that can somebody tell What's actually wrong with that? Are you going to all pretend that

SPEAKER_04women don't have trouble with regulation? Extremely disrespectful. And the way you phrase that is in a way that's totally not okay. And I won't even give you an answer to that question. I think it's so ridiculously phrased. It doesn't seem ridiculous to me. It seems like the irrationality

SPEAKER_04needs to be contended with somehow. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. So, here I would be like, "All right, so I lived 10 years of my life out of a bag anyways. So, I wouldn't care about moving even if it

SPEAKER_04was to Timbuktu. I don't care. But I would be like, "All right, partner. While I pack, while I pack all of our stuff, I want to know. I want to know what's what's going on. Why are we moving?" But I'm packing all of our stuff. I will do all of it. Just tell me

SPEAKER_04right now as I pack. Okay. All right. And you had something. Go ahead. Okay. So, you wouldn't object to your wife going to a leader of your church and saying, "Hey, I disagree with my husband on this." And the church leader happens

Andrew Wilsonto agree with her. Well, it depends on the context. If she's going to the church in order to give them idol gossip or uh things like this or you know talk about um interpersonal context that's

Andrew Wilsonnot ba if she's going to the church in other words for and saying to them there's something here which is not following Christianity and that needs to be dealt with then yes the ecclesiastical authority is designed

Andrew Wilsonspecifically to assist with that just like uh in the secular world. She smiles as though this isn't true in the secular world. Do you want would you want your uh husband to go to a psychologist in

Andrew Wilsonorder to like gossip about you and run you down and things like that? No. You'd want him only to go to a psychologist for the purposes of trying to assist with some type of marriage where one one partner or the other thought they were

Andrew Wilsonbeing completely unreasonable or or you know outlandish or doing something that they weren't supposed to be doing. The same exact thing would be uh happening under a Christian view. The idea would be you're not going there to bark about

Andrew Wilsonyour home problems, but you're going there to get assistance for things that would step outside of the Christian view. One person I am Christian, just so we're clear. You're a Mormon and I'm not going to

Andrew WilsonOkay. Well, I will. Okay. No, you're not. For my view, you're not. For my view, you're not. But that's fine. The thing is is like that's fine. I'm just saying that even inside of the LDS church, this is the case. Even inside of

Andrew Wilsonthe the Church of Latter-day Saints that you have people that you can go to who assist in marriages who assist even in arrangement of marriages by the way. No, not you can go to people. Well, yeah, they do. They just don't do it like the

Andrew Wilsonchurch doesn't go I'm picking you and picking you. But what happens is the women of the church do matchmaking and they do all sorts of different things with their daughters and their friends and things like this. The same thing, by the way, that women do even outside of

Andrew Wilsonchurches. They play matchmaker all the time. Yeah. uh secular inside a church, whatever. But the point here is is that that authority is still even abs inside of your church for you to go for redress

SPEAKER_04if if a partner is doing something that you consider to be external to the Christian faith, doesn't it? Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. So she does have an option if she does object and

Andrew Wilsondoesn't agree. If that makes sense. Well, you know, well, it hang on again. That's not correct, right? This is context dependent. Yeah, like I don't agree that my husband says I have to do

Andrew Wilsonthe dishes on Sunday. It's not what you're going to a priest for. You'd be going to the priest for something like my husband's listening to satanic music in the garage and it's very concerning to me. Uh something like that. Something

Andrew Wilsonwhich would be stepping outside of the Christian view. Not to question his autonomy and authority over his household. That's not what their job is or the ecclesiastical authority's job is. Now there could be extra marital

Andrew Wilsonthings which they could or I'm sorry marital things which they can assist with uh specific counseling things like this which Catholics and Orthodox have made available for years and years and years which does assist with things like

Andrew Wilsonwho does the dishes on Sunday or whatever that is right uh but generally speaking you're not going to them for those types of things you're going to them for issues of the spirit. Yeah. All

Brian Atlasright a couple chats coming through here we have Lucas. Lucas says, "Is it me or is it the obstinence and programming with this generation of gals beyond intractable? It seems that they're

Brian Atlaswilling to forego highc caliber men for the sake of their boss babe ideology." To which he continues in this upcoming message. Thank you, Lucas, for the

Brian Atlasmessage. He continues by saying, "Chair 2, you are a pretty a pretty and appear to be a wholesome girl. I assure you very few high earning, high virtue men

Brian Atlaswill accept any push back on outsourcing the raising of their kids. For me, it was a non-starter. Any response there? You said you had like 12 nannies

SPEAKER_04or something growing up. Yeah, just through the years. Through the years. Are your are your parents still together or? Yeah, very much so. Okay. Very happy

SPEAKER_04family. Lots of kids. Yeah. Okay. Um, so you do you want to have nannies like for your kids or um I wouldn't mind if the situation had to permit. It's something I'm totally

Brian AtlasLet's assume how about how about this situation? Let's assume he earns enough money for you to be able to stay home, but he doesn't earn enough money for you to be able to have a nanny. Uh, are you fine with that?

SPEAKER_04Um, it's if I was staying home and taking care of the kids, the nanny, right? Exactly. If I was working part of the time, in that case, I would have a nanny. I don't need a nanny just for fun, just to go out shopping. Like, that

Brian Atlaswould be done. But if let's say you did meet a guy who was okay with you like working, whatever, he was fine with it. It wasn't I'm sure you there's plenty of

Brian Atlasmen who are not going to be as uh as hardline on some of these uh components. Uh but uh you said you'd want to work like part-time, right? Mhm. Okay. So,

Brian Atlasmaybe you work like 20 hours a week. So, you have the nanny 20 hours a week or something like that. Uh, wouldn't you say though that even then that that time would be better spent with you? Like the

SPEAKER_04kids would be better spent with you versus some stranger. I mean, it would it would obviously always be preferable to be with me, their mother, over a outside person. Sure. I'm just saying if

SPEAKER_04the situation came down to it and I had to be working or if it was more advantageous for our family as a whole, we had a reasonable discussion about it. Here's the pros, here's the cons, I'm seeing a little bit more pro, not even 20 hours, but I could see some benefit

Brian Atlasto me still working. Yeah, I was thinking about this the other day when it came to daycare or having nannies or whatever. And uh the the cost of daycare is so exorbitant, at least well, I guess

Brian Atlasit depends where you live. Here in California, for example, you're going to spend for one child between $2,000 and $3,000 for uh for one child. Maybe they give you discounts if you have two kids. I don't know the details, but let's say

Brian Atlasfor two kids it's going to cost you $5,000. And I'm thinking like, okay, that's $60,000 a year. Um say the wife makes $70,000. Like some maybe she makes

Brian Atlas$60,000 a year. That doesn't the math just doesn't make sense to me for a woman to make $60,000 a year and push all that money to a daycare when she could just stay at home. Now, I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that women cannot Well, and these numbers are highly charitable. Sure. And I think the average salary in the US for a woman's 40,000 40,000 a year and so and you look at the average daycare cost, it's the average is at

Brian Atlasleast 10,000. The average is at least 10,000 yearly. Oh, yearly. Okay. I was talking in California per month for dayare 20 it's two two to $3,000 a

Andrew Wilsonmonth. So you're looking at well the California average is 19 I think last year 19,000 a year on average. So so even if you have the offset of an extra $10,000 because of the inflationary cost

Andrew Wilsonof living. So Starbucks pays there let's say $20 an hour instead of 15 is still eaten up in the daycare cost. you're really only getting an extra 20,000 a year after taxes if you're lucky, right?

Brian AtlasIt's like what what are we doing here? It seems silly. And and even even if the even if your wife is out earning whatever it is that the cost of daycare

Brian Atlasis, there is still the I I just think it's always optimal to have the mother taking care of the kids. Okay, cool. you make instead of outsourcing to

Brian AtlasCanuela, not to mention the amount of abuse that we see inside of this these various programs. Oh yeah, the mother's definitely. Yeah, the mother's definitely going to take cuz I've heard some horror stories from like some of these daycarees, you know, they don't

Brian Atlaschange the diapers as often as they should. Um there there's like a bunch of kids the kids are constantly getting sick because they're they're all the germs and everything. And um you know I

Brian Atlasthink the kid is going to do the best when it's the mom solely exclusively uh taking care of the kid. Not daycare, not nannies. Uh so I don't know. That's my

Brian Atlasthought. Even if she's making $100,000 a year, I still, you know, and you know, let's say the day uh for you have two kids, she's making $100,000 a year. She's got to put the kids in

Andrew Wilsondaycare. That costs 50,000. She's left with 50,000. Also, you know, I was thinking about this the other day. It's really, it's actually a big leap of faith when you think about it. Um, you wouldn't just hand your kid to some

Andrew Wilsonstranger you just met and say, "Hey, watch my kid for 8 hours in a day." But you put a lot of stock in the fact that the state inspects these daycarees, even though that's a joke, right? It's like

Andrew Wilsonthey can hide all sorts of things from the state and often do. And it's like it's a huge leap of faith to even go down that path to begin with just to hand your kid over to somebody else to watch for hours and hours and hours of

Brian Atlastheir day. Who knows what they're filling their head with? Who knows what's going on there? It just seems like a terrible idea ultimately. Yeah, we have some chats coming in here. We got John Smith. John Smith. Sorry for the delays, guys. Sorry for the delays.

SPEAKER_09The bear versus man convo proves women are horrible at risk assessment and they can't decide what they want for dinner. Yet men should value their input on decisions. Or do you just want to feel

Brian Atlasheard? Who uh who picked bear? Show of hands. Who picked bear for the man or bear? Bear. Wait, you picked bear? Yeah, you picked bear. Yeah. I thought you wrote Oh, she's Okay. She She rage quit

Brian Atlasbefore the show. Wait, I thought you said you So you'd rather encounter a random bear. No, I would rather encounter a man. Oh, okay. Sorry. You were asking. Bear. Yo, John Smith. Yeah,

SPEAKER_09John Smith. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. Um, all right. We have Joseph Pasqual. Thank you, man. $200. Brian and Andrew. Good to see you. Thank you, man. All these women sitting

SPEAKER_09here wearing too much makeup and trying to argue with Andrew. And yet, Chair 8 is the only one I would DM. Brian, hook me up already. You, Abigail. Uh, she's

Brian Atlasmarried. She's married and Oh, show the ring. Oh, yeah. Flex the ring again. Oh [ __ ] Beyonce single lady. All right. Uh yeah, sorry man. Um maybe there's

Brian Atlasanother girl at the pan. I We got some single. We got some big. There you go. Um solid. We have Jason Cassell. Thank you, man. Jason Castle donated $200. Appreciate it, man. This is

SPEAKER_09feminism, people. All the women on the panel claiming to be Christian. You can't be a Christian and be a feminist at the same time. Feminism is antithetical to Christianity. Feminism

Brian Atlasis evil. Oh, okay. Well, going around the table, Jason Cassell, thank you so much for the uh TTS. Really appreciate it. Are you Do you consider yourself a feminist? No, not really. Yeah. No. No.

SPEAKER_04Depends on how you define it, but no. Okay. No, I would say yes, but then if I was asked by a feminist, sometimes they don't think sex workers can be feminist, so it depends. Yeah. Okay. What do they

Andrew WilsonI'm anti-feminism. Anti-feminist. Okay. Same here. Anti-feminist. Yeah. Anti-feminist. Anti-feminist. Um, all right. We'll come back to the feminist conversation later. Can I ask um a quick

Andrew Wilsonquestion? Sure. I was just for for chair three. What do you think I I want to know this uh what what do you think submission means? What does that mean to you? Submission like submission to your

SPEAKER_04husband like yeah respecting your husband, respecting their final decision making. Um I mean obviously it depends on the situation but um typically trusting their decision- making. Then you're deciding when to be submissive

Andrew Wilsonand ultimately you're not being submissive. What do you mean? Yeah. Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. Before before you you get into it, I just want to make sure that because I think it's a fair a fair criticism that you know if

Andrew Wilsonyou're not defining terms, do you think that submission means obey? Uh yeah. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Obey. And uh

Andrew Wilsonobedience part of submission. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So then uh why would you I guess following that line of reason, would it be

SPEAKER_04submissive or nonsubmissive to question your husband's authority on a major decision? Well, it's it's not that I wouldn't listen. It's that I would want to have a conversation about it. And I think most decisions can like I don't

SPEAKER_04think there and obviously there's some situations that we addressed that there does need to be an urgent decision that should be made by the husband. I think most decisions, most major life decisions can be talked about before they they're decided on. I agree they I

Andrew Wilsonagree they can be. What I'm asking you to reconcile is your definition of submission being also obedience, obeying, trusting, doing, and reconciling that with the idea that

Andrew Wilsonthere needs to be X to plate you if there's even a major decision which happens. Can you tell me how that fits your definition of submission? What? Sorry, what do you mean by that? Like you're asking what you question if you

Andrew Wilsonquestion the authority of your husband by demanding a conversation with something he doesn't want to converse about rather wants you to be obedient in how does that form to your version of submission. How's that you being

SPEAKER_04submissive? I I wouldn't necessarily question and and and demand a conversation. I think just in general it could be uh problematic if a guy is not

SPEAKER_04seeking discussions with his wife though because the the initial example that was brought up at the very beginning in the clip was you're moving in 3 weeks and you come in and you say that I don't know why you could not immediately after

Andrew Wilsonhave a discussion hey how are you feeling about this instead of coming in and just throwing it on. Perhaps what do you perhaps you can but the idea here isn't what can or you can or can't do.

Andrew WilsonThe idea here is what is submission, what is not. Is it actually submission? If he says, "Listen, I know that you probably have all sorts of protests here, but I don't want to hear them. I

Andrew Wilsonwant you to do instead execute and obey what it is that I'm expressing to you that I want done to obey my will." Is are you then submitting or not submitting by saying no, we need to stop right now and have a conversation about

SPEAKER_04this? I'm not saying I would stop and say, "Hey, let's have a conversation." I might want to and you can submit to your husband and I can also still think that he should have a conversation with me about these things. Yeah, sure. You can

Andrew Wilsonyou can say that you think that he should. But then the idea there in the clip then when you had a criticism, you just countered the criticism because you said no, I'm not saying that I would actually question it. That is submission

SPEAKER_04and that is exactly what I expressed. Submission is obedience, right? Yeah. No, I'm saying I I would I would absolutely submit to that. But no, my my issue is this idea that guys should not

SPEAKER_04be just making decisions. Sorry, I know you want to talk. Um, as uh as a person who doesn't care what they have to say all the time, I don't think that there's decisions where that's obviously there are some, but in in general that's not

SPEAKER_04necessary. So, I'm just pointing out that if a guy is is doing this on things that can be talked about that that's an issue. Well, then that's countering the trust that women should have in faith in

Andrew Wilsonmen. No, I is that inside of a Christian marriage, you're supposed to have trust and faith that your husband's leading you correctly and trust in faith in his authority. When you say things like this, like, "No, he needs to stop and

Andrew Wilsonhave a conversation with you. He needs to justify it to you. He needs to make arguments to you for it." Things like this, you're actually countering the view. It's actually what it what it does is it inverts it. It inverts the view of

Andrew Wilsonwhat submission is actually supposed to be. It's obedience to your husband. It's really inside the Christian view at the purview of the man to make these decisions. And that I think women should be reinforcing who are Christian women.

Andrew WilsonThey should be reinforcing that idea of trust in your husband. Trust in your husband. Trust in your husband. And they don't. Instead, they resist submission at every level because they think it's

SPEAKER_04mean. They just quote mean, you know, and it's like that to me is absurd. I have a question for you, Andrew. So, oh, question is, is it submission if like let's say you know you're like, "Oh, we're going to move to the husband

SPEAKER_04goes, "Oh, we're going to move to Nevada in 3 months." And then the woman's like, "Okay, I'm going to pack both of our stuff now. I just need you to tell me like why as I'm packing. I don't need like I'm going to do it either way. I just need to know the reason." Is that

Andrew Wilsoncool? Is that submission? Well, actually, this is a great question. I understand why you're asking. I'll let me back to make sure. Yeah. Yeah. Let me repeat it back. Make sure. So he says, "Look, we're moving in just a couple of

Andrew Wilsonweeks, right? You need to pack everything up." And you go, "Okay, I'm packing it up, honey." Right? Now, tell me why we're doing this again. Yeah. Right. Got it. So, here's the thing.

Andrew WilsonLet's say you do ask that question. He says no. Why? Well, is it legal stuff? No. No. No. Don't say no. Just say he says no. What is your role in the

SPEAKER_04Christian view? He says, you say, "Can you tell me why?" and he says, "No, I would be scared if it was was it legal? Like, if it's another woman, I don't care. We'll pack up and leave. I don't whatever." So, he points out, he

SPEAKER_04looks at you and he says, "No, it's not legal." Oh, there you go. Then then I'm like, "Okay, like then whatever." Okay. If it's not legal, then cool. They're not like skipping town, you know? Yeah. Okay. So, then you're going to assume, okay, if it's not legal, then whatever. Like, I don't care. I I've lived out of a bag for like a 10 years anyways. Yeah.

Andrew WilsonYeah. I got it. But what I'm saying is that within the purview of submission, right? The fact that you even had to ask him if it was legal is also moving against your idea of trust. Really, it's moving against trust in the authority of

SPEAKER_04your husband. Well then, wait, wait, question. I got a question for you. What if we what if I like pre-planned like, you know, in in in advance in a sense where I was like, hey, on a date with him, you know, before we were even

SPEAKER_04married. And I was like, hey, if you ever needed to skip town it, can you just let me know? My rule my rule is to let me know. Is it legal involved? If it's legal involved, then I So, so you

Andrew Wilsonmean you set down some boundaries that you had within before I even get married? Yeah. Early on. Yes. Right. Do you expect him to adhere to the boundaries that you I would hope so. Yeah. Cuz I'm going to adhere to all

Andrew Wilsonmine. No. Oh, that's not submission. What? No way. That's right. Come on. We have earlier. It's a mission. It's a mission. And but can he just tell me if it's legal or not? The mission is

Andrew Wilsonobedience to your husband. But what about the law view obedience to the hut? Listen, I'm going to I'm going to try to explain this the best way I can inside the Christian view. Even if

Andrew Wilsonpre-marriage you had some discussion about whatever it was, right? But here's what is put on the man's shoulders in the Christian view. The he's he's to put his life before the lives of his wife

Andrew Wilsonand before the lives of his children. He's to accept all danger. They get the lifeboat, right? He doesn't get the lifeboat. He stays behind, right? If they're marooned on a desert island, he's the one who gets eaten and not

Andrew Wilsonthem. Okay? If there's any sort of defense of the nation which comes up, his duty and obligation is to go and take care of that problem. By the way, these are not the only duties that they

Andrew Wilsonhave. That's just some. But starting the starting level of security at the home starts with the husband and the head. Who is the husband? he if they are providing those duties and providing

Andrew Wilsonthose resources inside of the home as they're supposed to do inside of the Christian view right their wife's job is to submit to the authority if he's holding up his end right his end of the

SPEAKER_04authority here you're supposed to be holding up his end of the authority period okay well question last one um so what if we made this thing where I was like okay if we ever need to skip town

SPEAKER_04move whatever Could I just be like this and then if you do this then I know it's not legal? Yeah. You So I'm not an accomplice. Like you can put in the request for any high sign that you would want. Okay. I'll just be like this and

Andrew Wilsonif he goes like this I'm like listen you can put in a request but that's the opposite of submission to make a man that he obeys your authority. Really? A husband is not obligated to obey the

SPEAKER_04authority of their wife. The opposite is the case. I just went like this and you know legal like is this but what if they respond with this you know their authority right it's their authority even if it was legal I'd be like cool do

SPEAKER_04I get a lawyer like like you know to help us I gave you my high sign right I would I would want to know if it was legal if it was legal it's fine I'll just get a lawyer that's fine I just want to know do I make the call you don't have any trust or faith in your

Andrew Wilsonhouse I do I do trust I just want to know if it's legal if you have trust then then trust but the legal why that makes so much sense because the idea here is that if the man is taking the head, the Christ

SPEAKER_04head here, right? The same way you're supposed to trust and have faith in Christ is the same way you're supposed to trust and have. So, I'm going to assume it's not legal. Yes, you're supposed to.

Natalie (Seattle)I just thought as long as it's not an eagle, I'm cool. I don't care. I can live anywhere. Think about how easy it would be too to trust in a man who's taking on the role of dying for you. like like your husband is

Natalie (Seattle)supposed to love you as Christ loved the church and Christ died for you. So, I think it'd be really really really easy to take in that submission role and take on that submission role when you know that he loves you enough to die for you. Yeah, I'm cool, but he knows that I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to do this at one point. Wait, I I do have going around the table on that note, the man being willing to die. Should your boyfriend, so you've been dating for a year, uh should your

Brian Atlashusband be willing to die for like take the bullet for you? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Only if he wants to be.

Brian AtlasYeah. Okay. Quick answer. Willing to. Yes. Willing to. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Um and then if a guy wasn't willing to like what's your response? Like if

SPEAKER_04he's like, "Nah, I'm not doing it." Then why are we dating? Why? Why was he dating? Okay. He's got to give his life. He's obviously not fulfilling that role. Not fulfilling that role. No, I think like as Christians, we should be willing to take the boat. Like I'm willing to

SPEAKER_04take a bullet for most people. Like I I think that it's pretty selfish, but in this situation it sounds you said man. The man should take the bullet. Yeah. I mean I think everyone should like I would take a bullet for my husband too.

Andrew WilsonYeah. Me too. Yeah. I would too. Yeah. But like that's actually beating up your own biblical role again, right? So here I would take a bullet. The reason the reason Andrew's mad at me for wanting to die for my husband. Look, I'm not I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot I'm not even trying to beat I'm beating up the ideology, not you personally. I just the things that you're saying here don't make any sense. Even from the Christian role, that would be incorrect. He should step in for all

Andrew Wilsonthreats towards his family. That is his ultimate duty unto not only fulfilled to his family, but unto God. He's supposed to. You don't have to. Yeah, but I want to. And here's why you shouldn't even

Andrew Wilsonhang on. Here's why you shouldn't even because the idea is you're a caretaker for the children. This kind of thing, right? These roles are set for a specific reason, right? But all of this

Andrew Wilsonusually comes down to just a poultry excuse for egalitarianism and refusal to submit to your husband's authority. And so you come up with all sorts of crazy mental gymnastics to try to justify

Andrew Wilsonegalitarianism, why we need to be more equal, why the husband and wife need to have a fair shake against each other. No. The Christian view, submission of the wife to the husband, husband leads

Brian Atlasand is in authority. Just look that way. Okay. Um, wait, I had to follow up on this.

Brian AtlasWell, I guess my confusion is there was a lot of push back on this whole, oh, the man like you don't you don't want to be submissive to your

Brian Atlashusband, but you want him to die for you. Like, does that seem like a fair like the least a man can get, I suppose a Christian man can get, is if he's willing to die for you, if he's going to

Brian Atlasprovide, if he's going to protect, you should at least obey him. That's a way better That's like way better tradeoff. I just have to obey. You have to die. [ __ ] If If somebody

Brian Atlasgave me the choice, y'all, none of y'all are going to date me after this. If I have to obey some If the choice is, okay, Brian, you got to obey somebody or you die. I think I'd rather obey somebody. Now I'm going to get called a

Brian Atlasbeta male. Whatever. Fine. I accept I accept the beta male title. I will survive and whatever. Uh, I think the woman should take the bullet because I'm better suited to, you know, after uh

Brian Atlasbreastfeeding I'm better capable. Maybe breast like breastfeeding the women are better at Can you milk a man? I don't think they're actually

Andrew Wilsondoing male males do males do lactate. Our males do lactate. Yes, that's true. You can milk a man. Wow, that is disturbing. You have to like do like

Andrew Wilsondrugs for it. It was a big to-do because there was a a group of the TE's who pumped themselves full in fact of various hormones so that they could

Andrew Wilsonlactate more and there was a big controversy over what the quality was of what they were putting out there and when it was scientifically tested it was

Brian Atlasnot good. Interesting. Yeah. Um, I don't know, man. I just think [ __ ] Sorry. The guy's got to take a bullet for you. It's a fair trade-off. You got to

Brian Atlasyou got to listen to what he says. You got to listen to him. Somebody in your chat said, "Man, milk." That's so gross. Oh my gosh, that sounds like a an actual drink. Yeah, we have uh we have some chats here on YouTube side we need to

Brian Atlasget through. Oh, Andrew uh this is Rachel Wilson's wife. Maybe we need a little cameo if she's feeling up to it. Um, Andrew listens to me often, but what's best for him is what's best for me. Therefore, in situations where he

SPEAKER_04doesn't want my input, he isn't obligated. Obedience to your husband husband is obedience to God. Well put, Rachel. This is interesting because I never seen this type of dynamic. So, to me, it's like I'm looking at through a

SPEAKER_04bush like just kind of peeking around like, "Oh, this is cool." Like, you know, I never heard of this stuff before. Yeah. That's that is Andrew's wife Rachel. We have slave. My slave.

Andrew WilsonAndrew's Andrew's slave. Yes. Uh, beat and cheeks here. Chained to give birth specifically to the stove. She's not She is allowed to come out on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for sunlight. You know, I'm a very vampire. Is she a vampire or or not

Brian Atlasa vamp because of the sunlight? Never mind. Okay. Yeah, I give her some sunlight. Come on. Yeah, of course. Uh, Bean Cheeks, I love how these boss babes parenthesis feminist want a s, not a man. Being a boss babe is not only uncchristian-like, but against the

Brian AtlasChristian patriarchal view of maintaining a healthy family dynamic. Why would you feminists want another person to watch over your kids? Does anybody want to do a response to beat and

SPEAKER_04cheeks? Morg Morgan, do you want Sorry, did I It's not Maddie. My bad. Right. Maddie is right. Sorry, I got the M's got me all [ __ ] up. Maddie, my apologies. I feel like we've talked

SPEAKER_04about this a lot of times. um doesn't need to be recapped again. But yeah, if it was I think you know the situation it would benefit the kids to be at home. I didn't need to work in any sense of the

SPEAKER_04word. I would stay at home and work. I've said that. Okay. You're people people are going to have different opinions on that and that is 100% okay with me. Boss babe it is. Wait, sorry. Boss babe it is. What do you mean? Yeah,

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