Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

Date: 2025-04-14

Duration: 8h 02m

Guests

CCaitlyn (Virgin)

LLauren (Brothel)

LLydia (Pro-Life)

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

NNatalie (Seattle)>

AAbigail (Married)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Abigail (Married)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ryder(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Natalie (Seattle)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentAndrew Wilson defends male authority/headship in marriage. Significant pushback.

Key Moment$999 champagne pop from Ogle

Key MomentRyder's TikToks: nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband

ControversyLydia's abortion clinic confrontation video — most contentious segment

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Ryder (abusive ex), Maddie (LDS), Lydia (pro-life), Natalie, Lauren (brothel), Haley (dairy), Caitlyn (virgin), Abigail (married at 19).

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby

Panel reacts to Ashley discussing having Elon Musk baby.

Andrew Wilson Authority in Marriage

Andrew defends Orthodox Christian male headship. Significant pushback.

Ryder TikToks

Nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband TikToks. Ethical debate on posting about exes.

Lydia Abortion Clinic Video

Most contentious segment. Confrontational interaction with clinic staff.

IVF Burning Building Hypothetical

Save 5-year-old or 1,000 embryos? Tests embryo personhood beliefs.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasreason we started a little late, guys. I apologize. We had a pre-show quit. I don't know if it was a rage quit. Maybe I shouldn't call it a rage quit. That's nervous. It was like a

Brian Atlascoward quit. Maybe a cow. I don't know. Uh pre-show rage. It wasn't a rage quit. It was it was like it's kind of shaky. It was a shared cold feet. Quick cold feet. Cold feet. Definitely. So, that

Brian Atlaswas recorded. We'll put we'll post that to the behind the scenes tab. And if you enjoy watching behind the scenes from the show that you don't get to uh you you typically don't get to see during the full live streams, a couple shows

Brian Atlasago, Andrew was here in person, Andrew Wilson. And he was um he was attacked ruthlessly, just beaten beat into a pulp. No, just kidding. But he was

Brian Atlasassaulted. So, uh, we posted the BTS of that and you can't really see the whole thing on the live stream. So, um, Andrew, did you you kind of deserved No, I'm just kidding. Um, just kidding. No,

Brian Atlasit was un undeserving and, uh, an assault on Andrew's dignity and honor and body. So, luckily, I was there to protect him. Um, if I wasn't there, who knows what could have happened. So

Brian Atlasanyways, um disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. I do apologize once again for the delayed start. With that

Brian Atlassaid, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and your education. Go ahead. Um, okay. So, number one, I lost my voice because um I

Ryderhad a little too much fun at the bar yesterday, but got it. I know. Sorry. Sorry. Very professional. Anyways, you were you were talking plenty before the show. I

Ryderactually was not. Not too much. You were yapping too much. I was I was I was a little yapping. Come on. You were yappamatic. Five. Yeah. Yeah. Usually usually I am yapping. And it sucks that right now that my voice sucks. So, cuz

Ryderusually I love talking. Um, but I am writer. Um, I am originally from I guess like the IE the Inland's Empire. Yes. Oh, okay. I age. Yeah. No, I'm just

Ryderkidding. Uh, anyways, I'm 25. I am a bartender. Um, I kind of just picked up bartending as like a who cares kind of thing during co and then it just worked

Ryderout because money is great. So, Okay. All right. And uh any college or anything like that? Yeah. Yeah. Um, I ended up doing criminology. I only have the bachelors. Never went back for masters. Kind of sucks. You can't do

Rydermuch in a criminology major with the bachelor's. So, you got your bachelor's? Yeah, that's it though. Okay. Is it a bachelor of art or science? Bachelor of Science. Bachelor of Science in Criminology. Okay. All right. Cool. What

SPEAKER_04about you? Awesome. My name is Maddie. I am 22 and from Utah and then I am a senior in college with a finance degree. All right. Just a student for now. Which college did you go to? U Okay. And you

Brian Atlassaid you're you have a finance degree or you're working on it? Um hopefully in the next few weeks it'll be completed. Okay. And you're getting so you're getting your bachelor's in finance? Yep. Okay. Uh do you work do you have a job

Brian Atlasor um I do real estate part of the time? Okay. Um and you you're from Utah, Salt Lake City. Uh-huh. Okay. Are you Mormon or No, not Mormon. Okay. But didn't they

SPEAKER_04like rebrand? Let's get switches. Okay. Um, they're called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am a member. Oh, you're Mormon. Okay. Well, not Mormon. Church of Jesus Christ of

Brian AtlasLatter Day Saints, but thank you. But, but it's a sect of Christianity. Yes. At least it's Mormonism. At least what the Mormons That's the Mormon position. We officially changed the name because we want to include Jesus Christ in the

Andrew Wilsontitle and make that clear that that's the center of our church. Well, they change. Okay. You changed the name because there was a lot of really bad history associated with Mormonism and they didn't want the reputational

Andrew Wilsondamage. That's that's why. No, because we chose to make sure it was clear that we made this Jesus Christ the center of our church. No, it's because they were diddling little kids in your temple.

Andrew WilsonThat's that's why. And because of that, they wanted to change the reputation of the Mormon church. That's why it happened. Because in Utah, there was sex, which were marrying underage children and everything else. And it was

Andrew Wilsonawful. god awful what was going on and there's a bad reputation. I urge you to go to the church's official website and actually look into what they say about that because they do look up official Mormon history and how god awful it is

Andrew Wilsonwithin their various sects. You know, every religion is pretty awful. Every religion, not like that one. Um, actually pretty bad. Human sacrifices, you know, that type of thing. We're talking about like the Mayans or Yeah.

Andrew WilsonCan you tell me in the 20th century where Christians were doing human sacrifice? I'm not saying Christians are doing that where it was completely appropriate to have uh you know six underage wives and that was in the sect of Mormonism not

SPEAKER_04inside mainstream Christianity. I am seriously urging you to look up exactly what it says on the church's official page and they address all these issues propaganda of the Mormon church. I'm not

Andrew Wilsonhere to debate my religion. I'm just telling you to look it up on the church's official page. If you really want to debate this, you can debate it with my father. He was a bishop. I'm happy to do so. Bring him on. I would be happy to uh to debate the theology of

Brian AtlasMormonism and the history of the Church of of Mormonism. Andrew, we had a rage quit before the show. Let's maybe All right. All right. Like I hit the brakes.

SPEAKER_04I'm not going to quit. I'm not um Okay. Uh what about you? This happens all the time. Oh, sorry. Okay. Um I'm Lydia. I'm the spokesperson for Students for Life of America. I am 22 years old

Brian Atlasand I graduated from Campbell University in December. Uh, what did you major in or what was your business administration? Business administration. Okay. Got it. All right. And you currently you live where again? Sorry. Uh, I live in North Carolina. North

SPEAKER_04Carolina. Okay. You grew up there or? Um, I was actually born in San Jose. Um, but grew up near Charlotte for most of my life. Um, and am here in California for some speaking events. All right. Go

Natalie (Seattle)ahead. What about you? My name is Natalie. I am from Seattle area. I'm a student. I'm 22 and I go to the UVU.

Natalie (Seattle)Okay. And uh what did you get your degree in? Sorry. Or um I'm Or you still working on it? Yes. Hopefully three more weeks. Same as her. So what do you marketing with emphasis in sales? Sorry.

SPEAKER_04Marketing and marketing with an emphasis in sales. Marketing with an emphasis in sales. Okay. All right. What about you? Uh so my name is Lauren. I'm 32. I am a

SPEAKER_04uh cortisan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch. I'm a musician and I'm a hobbyist student. I know that sounds really weird, but I I don't plan on being a hypnotherapist, but I'm in hypnotherapy

SPEAKER_04school to get my degree and just I'm using it for my life. So, that that's I know it sounds weird. I'll pay the tuition, but I just it's helpful. And I don't know where I'm going to go other

SPEAKER_04than the music, but that that's what I'm doing right now. All right. Uh, welcome back. Good to have you back. What about you? Hi, my

SPEAKER_04name is Haley Smith. I am 21. I'm from Stockton. I currently uh milk cows at the Fresno State Dairy and I am getting my bachelor's in animal science to be a

SPEAKER_04large animal veterinarian. Beautiful. Okay. All right. Welcome back. Welcome. What about you? Hi, my name is Caitlyn. I am 21. I um do data

SPEAKER_04entry online and I'm opening my own pet store. Okay. Where are you from? Um Colorado Springs. Any college or anything like that? Nope. Just got my GED. Well, not

Abigail (Married)just, but I got my GED. So, all right. What about you? My name is Abigail. I am 21. I live in Washington and I'm currently a teachers assistant at an

Brian Atlasearly learning childhood uh center. Okay, great. All right. Well, uh, we're going to go around the table once more. What is everybody's current relationship status? Uh, if you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the

Ryderlongest relationship you've ever been in? Go ahead. I am single and freshly single. So, um, yeah, not okay. Not too fresh. Maybe like a month or so, but we'll see it. But, uh, yeah, I mean,

Ryderthat's it. Nothing too too much to it. I mean, I have a favorite ex, I guess, but that's it, you know? I mean, it's real. When did it end? Uh like a month or Yeah. Like Yeah. A month. So you've been

Brian Atlassingle for a month? Longest relationship? Yeah. Longest relationship. Seven years. Seven years. Is that the one that ended the month ago? No, that was like a high school going to college. Yeah. Mhm. So your favorite ex is not your most recent ex,

Ryderright? Yeah. Oh, it is. We were just on and off all the time. And it was kind of like a thing that it was like, why are we arguing so much? like we should just kind of if we're arguing more of the time than we're actually celebrating

Ryderlike our time together, like might as well just go out. You still have your life. You're 27. I'm 25. Like go experience whatever you want to experience. So we could just maybe if it's meant to be, you know, then that's

Ryderit. But other than that, no. You know, like I can't hold down like I don't own a person. So would you take him back now? At the moment with like where he's at? Probably not. just because he has

Ryderthings to work on and I have things to work on. And not to say like I'm too involved in a relationship when I start dating. So like until I feel like I have the time and everything, but until then, like honestly, I don't have the time. I

Ryderjust got another dog. So I'm just like, it's too much. It's too much. So So wait, just to be clear, your seven-year relationship is the one that ended. No. Okay, that one was a high school from sophomore year all the way until I

Ryderfinished college. Okay. the the relationship that ended a month ago. How long was that relationship? Um, on and off-wise, we knew each other since 2022 because we would break up and then get

Ryderback together and then break up and then get back together. So, like three years. Yeah. So, okay. So, how many times was it on again, off again? I don't I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I didn't want to drop the bomb, but yeah. I don't

Ryderknow. It was just like we would fight. So, we would be like, "Okay, I'm done." And it was like, "Okay, then you broke up." Like, we broke up. And then we would go to like no contact and then it was like a we would talk again and then it was like oh we should try this out.

RyderSounds healthy. It was not healthy. And that's why you let it go. If it's not healthy that exactly time you're actually letting him go this time. Yeah. Yeah. That's why like Yeah. Yeah. And especially just because like I was

Ryderalways um I guess I would say I was manipulated but I was not. It's just the point of like I start to have too much empathy and I put their feelings above mine. And then when I stop like

Ryderconcerning about myself, like I stop concerning about work, I stop. It's just like that point where I'm like until I feel like you could s like fully provide, we're going to get married, we're going to have kids, we're not

Rydergoing to deal with lies, we're not going to deal with issues, and we have a very healthy standpoint, maybe we'll get back together. But until then, no. Okay. So, uh, it's maybe been what, a dozen times

Brian Atlasthat it's Yeah, more than a dozen. Dozen times 12. Here, let's Okay. Um. Mhm. So, you've only been apart for a month? Yeah. Okay. So, you guys are probably

Rydergoing to get back together then? Oh, no. Right now, we're on no contact. Fully. Fully. Have you been on no contact before? Uh, not like that. I guess I guess this time we did it like amicably. Like we kind of just like looked at each

Ryderother and we kind of were just crying and I was like, I don't need this. Like, and you don't need this either. Like, we don't need this. And yeah, we said our goodbyes and I haven't looked and he hasn't looked for me. So until then,

Ryderyeah, you guys will probably get back together. But um have you had a rebound? No, not yet. Not yet. Have you before? Before I mean after my high school relationship, I mean I did. But then

Ryderagain, I was also like freshly like 18, 19. So then I was like, but I mean my frontal lobe was not developed. So I can't I can't blame that. Okay. And uh

Brian Atlasyour seven-year relationship, who ended that one? Uh he did. He got somebody else pregnant. Oh man. Nice. Congratulations. Yeah. So that's great. Did you stay with him? No, I did not

Brian Atlasafter that. After the pregnancy. Okay. But he he cheated on you before then. I mean obviously it took nine months. So yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04Um All right. Uh what about you? I am single for the last six months. So, just came out of a two-year relationship. That's been my longest, but I've had a

Brian Atlascouple others that are about that length. All right. You've had Okay. Uh, the So, you've had a like maybe two or three relationships that were about two

SPEAKER_04years. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Okay. Uh, was it two? Was it three? Um, no. There probably The last one was two.

Brian AtlasThere's been one 1.5. There's been some shorter ones, but But is has it been three relationships, four relationships of that length? How many? Oh, I would say two. Two. Okay. Yeah. Who broke up

SPEAKER_04with who in the most recent one? Um, it was kind of mutual. There was just some life differences, difference of opinion and couldn't really be worked out. Okay.

Brian AtlasAnd what about the I guess the first one then? Um, who broke up with who? That was That was hard.

Brian AtlasUm, that one was pretty mutual as well. There's It was just really failing and just had to go our separate ways. Okay. Uh, you've been single for 6 months. That was a two-year the two-year

SPEAKER_04relationship though, right? That was the one where there was a a mismatch of values or how did you frame it? Um, values. Yeah, I would say. So, just timeline. People wanted to get married

SPEAKER_04sooner than others. And I'm kind of really big on just finishing out school, getting into a career, and really getting settled down before making huge life decisions and just not wanting to

Brian Atlasjump into that. So he How old was he? Um 23. 23. And you were 22 or maybe 21. Um so he wanted to get married. Yeah. He

Brian Atlaswanted to have kids. Mhm. And you didn't. Is that correct? Um you wanted you wanted to finish college. Well, no. you but I understand you want to have kids down the road but at the specific

Brian Atlastime you didn't all a little too fast for me for the time too fast uh besides his the lack of or the misalignment when it came to timeline as to relationship

Brian Atlasmilestones getting married having kids what uh uh was there any I guess was there anything else mismatch there in the

SPEAKER_04relationship um probably just religious differences okay Was he like a Muslim or what was he? No, he's just a different kind of Christian and I just we didn't have the same walk with that. Sure. We're both pretty strong in our beliefs.

Brian AtlasSo, Sure. What What uh denomination are you? I'm just Christian or non-denomin. Okay. And what was he? He's LDS. Oh, Mormon. Okay. All right. There you go.

Brian AtlasOkay. There it is. It's going to be a Mormon conversation. We're going to be talking about Mormonism tonight, folks. Uh Mormonism. Okay. Uh, but I assume you knew he was a Mormon when you first met him, right?

Brian AtlasWas that like I mean, is that a non-negotiable for you? Like they have to be non-denominational or could they be like Catholic? Could they be Orthodox? No. I just I think we both

SPEAKER_04realize we just really want somebody that's going to walk the same walk with Christ. And we just view a lot of those things differently with the religious structures. And um there's a lot of covenants and things you make in that religion that can be I just wasn't

SPEAKER_04didn't feel truthful. I didn't get my answer from God yet. So Okay. I don't really want to dive too much more into it, but yeah, it was mutual. Sure. Wish him the best. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Okay.

Brian AtlasUm well, I guess I suppose that makes sense. Difference of values when it came to religion and timeline. Uh now when you say that you want to finish out college and get jump started in your

SPEAKER_04career, uh do you um have a sense of when you would like to be married and start having kids? No, it's all up to God's timing. I don't really feel any pressure or rush. Well,

Brian Atlassure. Let's say you met a guy today and you guys dated for one year. You got engaged. You got married a year later. You're 24. You finished college at this point. You've done some of your career.

Brian AtlasUh let's say your husband is fairly well off, maybe he makes $150,000 a year. Uh would you and he's like, "But I want to start having kids now." Do you want to

SPEAKER_04continue pursuing your career or would you like to have kids uh at 24? I actually believe you could do both. So I definitely grew up with a mother working in the home and that's something that I really admire. And so while I think that

SPEAKER_04being a wife and mother is super important, I believe at the same time if you want to do both, you can. I definitely see myself taking a few years off of work as a young mother, but I love my career. I like finance and so

Brian AtlasI'm super interested in still pursuing that. And remind me your career. You said real estate and with finance. I know that you can do a couple different things with that. Um,

Brian Atlasbut primarily real estate is your focus. So selling houses. Let's say your husband made $500,000 a year. So you didn't need to work. Uh, and he told you, "I don't want you to work. I want

Brian Atlasyou to stay at home. I don't want to ship our kids off to daycare. I want you to stay home. Take care of the kids. Take care of me. Take care of the household. Stop working. Do you? I think that would it would less be of a

SPEAKER_04a necessity. I wouldn't need to work, but I think that I would en I do enjoy working. I do enjoy my business relationship. So, even if it was 500K, I would probably still do the amount of

SPEAKER_04work that was meaningful for me without sacrificing my children. What I mean, so what amount of work would that be? I mean, you'd work 20 hours a week, 30 hours a week. I

SPEAKER_04mean, I work in sales, so I can I can delegate things as I need to. I can run a team remotely, and so it's not really like a huge hindrance to me, I guess, the thought of working. So, would you

SPEAKER_04have your kids in daycare? No. Nannies. Nannies. Yeah. I had probably 10 or 12 nannies growing up, and it was a great experience. Yeah. Is that you think that's God's plan that

SPEAKER_04you have your kids get raised by nannies? No, I don't think it's the worst alternative. I think having a mother in the home at least 80% of the time is super important. But I also saw the value of like, hey, being an active

SPEAKER_04parent is more important than being a present parent 100% of the time. So to me, a thoughtful relationship, thoughtful time with your kids and like really being invested in their lives is more important than being there 105% of

Abigail (Married)the time. Just there. Well, you can't be invested if you're not there, right? Can I also add something on that? Go ahead, Abigail. To uh based to go off of your answer to his question, do you not believe in a wife submitting to her

Abigail (Married)husband's leadership? Because if your husband is telling you, I don't want you to work and you're going to work anyway, that goes against biblical uh teachings. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah. I think it

SPEAKER_04just comes down to situation. Every family has to make their own decisions based off of finances, based off of, you know, situation. You'll talk to your husband before you get married. Figure out, you know, what do we see life looking like together and that's a

SPEAKER_04conversation you can have. So, I don't think it has to come down to biblical frameworks every single time we live in a modern world that has to account for that. It's interesting. Do you have more on

Abigail (Married)that, Abigail, or Yeah, I do disagree. I think it can be black and white because it's pretty specific in the Bible that you are to submit to a husband's leadership. You can have that conversation in the beginning and say your husband says, you know, it's okay

Abigail (Married)for you to work and then like you said, situations change. Thank you. Situations change and say he is seeing that you're not giving enough time to the kids in his eyes and so now he doesn't want you to work. Is that something that you'd be

SPEAKER_04able to respect in the man that you chose? Okay. I think it's always like a continued conversation of like, "Hey, like how is motherhip going?" I obviously don't have kids right now. So, I can't tell you what's in their best interest because they do not exist. But down the road, I could totally see

Brian Atlasmyself like, "Hey, my 2-year-old, like I need to spend more time." Like, absolutely. Here, here's what we're going to do. This is it's a interesting conversation. Uh I want to get everybody introduced with their relationship, but we'll come back to this topic because

Brian Atlasit's we'll come right back to it um after we get everybody's relationship status. So, uh, what about you? I am married. I got married in July. Um, so

Brian Atlascongratulations. Congrats. We need a champagne pop cuz you were on the show before I was like and you were not. You were d It was the same guy though, right? Oh, yeah. Of course, guys. We need a little champagne

Brian Atlaspop for Hey, look. We got to celebrate. But, uh, okay. So, you guys are married though, right? What? We are. Yes, we're married. Yes, we're married. Sweet. Okay, cool. Um, and he's my longest

SPEAKER_04relationship. So, we met in 2020 when I was in high school. Okay. And stayed together. Did long distance for a little bit while I was in college and then he actually moved to the area near me and yeah, now now we're married. It's great.

Natalie (Seattle)He's the best. All right, cool. What about you? Um, I have been single for I think two and a half years now. And then my longest relationship was a little bit over a

Brian Atlasyear. All right. And you said you've been single for two and a half years. What the heck? Uh who broke uh who ended the one-year

Natalie (Seattle)relationship? Um it was pretty mutual as well. We both kind of just decided. Was he Mormon? He wasn't actually. Mormon. Are you Mormon? I'm not. I'm the Church

Natalie (Seattle)of Latter-day Saints. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Non-denominational. Yeah. I grew up in Assemblies of God churches and non-enom. Are you're Christian too, right? Yes. Uh what denomination? I go

Ryderto non-denominational church. Non-denominational. Okay, got it. Are you religious or not? Um, I did not like grow up in a religious household. So, like I explored I mean after that I started kind of just going to Christian church afterwards and then I was like I

Ryderdo [ __ ] with it. I'm oop sorry I don't mean to say it like that but yeah but I liked it and I it like so then afterwards I just so but I am not like the craziest Christian so yeah fair

SPEAKER_04enough. Uh relationship status me I'm I'm single. I've been single I think like three and a half years. I say three and a half years technically single

SPEAKER_04maybe like 2.75 years because like we we opened the relationship he was dating actually someone else. Um but that was

SPEAKER_04cool eye open eye opening. I just think um after um and just yeah like after I got MS I think things changed. He didn't

SPEAKER_04he didn't leave me at all. But I think that I had different desires and I think he had different desires too. So I opened the relationship for a year. Um

SPEAKER_04he, you know, did that. I was cool with it. And then after like that one year, I was like, you know, I I think we should just, you know, break up. You're kind of with somebody and you know, it's cool.

SPEAKER_04So we broke up and and yeah, it was it was kind of mutual. We both knew it was just a sign of times. Okay. All right. What about you? Um, I've been in a relationship for about a year and a half

Brian Atlasand this is my longest relationship. All right. Were you in a relationship when you were last on the show? Yes. Right. Same relationship. Yes. Cool. All right. What about you? Um, I am not in a relationship and I've never been in a

SPEAKER_04relationship. Okay. You're single. Well, yeah. Duh. Yeah. Uh, never. Have you been on like dates or anything like that? Um, I've gone past I haven't gone past the second date with somebody. Second base. You haven't gone or date?

SPEAKER_04Oh, dates. Sorry. No bases. No bases. Zero. Wait. Zero bases. Basically zero bases except for when I was 14. That was the last and only time I've ever kissed someone. Okay. So, you got you got one kiss. One

SPEAKER_04kiss. And it was a bad situation. It was a bad kiss. The kiss was bad. 18. He was 18. Oh, turning 19. Okay. Wait. Going to hell.

Brian AtlasI didn't mean to. It just he modeled me. He went in my throat. It was disgusting and I hated it. I'm traumatized. Oh, that sounds It was a bad kiss. Um uh so

Brian Atlaswait, you're Okay, so you're a virgin, correct? Yes. Okay. And do we have Is this a virgin panel? I feel like Sure.

Natalie (Seattle)Yeah. Okay. Lori. Um I virgin. No. virgin. You doesn't? Yeah, I am. Oh, I'm

Brian Atlaswaiting. Not like born again though, like No. Yeah, I've been waiting till marriage. Burton. Okay. All right. I respect that. Cool. All right. Rock and roll. Um. All right. What about you? I

Brian Atlasam married. I've been married for two years now. All right. Married for two years. Rock and roll. And uh are you Christian? Of course. Okay. Uh what denomination? I just follow Christ. So,

SPEAKER_04I guess you could say non-denominational. Okay. And then you're Christian, too, right? Yeah, I grew up non-denominational, but I've been researching the Orthodox Church, so I'm leaning I'm leaning that way for sure. Well, Andrew here is a Andrew

Brian AtlasAndrew is an Orthodox Christian, so you got any questions, he's your guy. So, uh, we have a super chat I'm going

Brian Atlasto let come through. We have uh wait what the Yarmouth, I'm sorry, Andrew, I love your stuff. You're totally out of your depth. Get Jacob Hansen to talk to

Brian AtlasAndrew if he wants to talk the LDS faith. Thank you. Uh Yarm, thank you for the super chat. Andrew, do you want to do a quick response on that? Tried to set one up with Jacob and Jay Dyer and

Andrew Wilsonhe said no. I would be willing and and he refused to debate with me on the topic of Joseph Smith. He absolutely refused. So that's that. If you would like, I can later at some time uh give

SPEAKER_04you the number of my dad. He is a missionary and he is teaching the gospel. So yeah, he's not going to come in and debate about Jose and Mormons don't debate about Joseph Smith. They won't do it. I guarantee you if you want to debate with somebody, there's plenty

Andrew Wilsonof missionaries that would be willing to you can go to any church. I guarantee you there won't be a single missionary reach out to and debate about Joseph. They wouldn't come in on the show. They wouldn't come in on the show, but they would be willing to debate about Joseph

Andrew WilsonSmith with you privately if you would like. Not privately. Not exactly. Privately publicly because publicly the position's untenable. So they they No, because this is a dating podcast.

Andrew WilsonNot any platform on planet Earth, they won't do it. Doesn't matter where. We host one v one debates. Um yeah, it doesn't matter where you It could be a theological channel, could be anything. Mormons don't debate. If you would like to debate with someone, that's fine. You

SPEAKER_04can film with the missionaries and meet with them privately or or out in at church or whatever. You can do what you want. And also, I'm just going to make this clear, Brian. I'm not here to debate my religion. I'm very set on this. So, I'm just I respect you. I'm

Andrew Wilsonfine with that. I'm totally fine with that. Hang on. Hang on. I wasn't even responding to you. I was responding to a super chat. No, I'm just You Hang on. And then you started to discuss this again with me. I didn't even direct it

Andrew Wilsonat you. So, what I'm saying to you though is there is not a single Mormon who's in any leadership function for any Mormon church who will debate on the topic of Joseph Smith. I know I've

Brian Atlasreached out to hundreds of different churches. They don't do it. And I can give you the number of one that would be willing to do it. All right. All right. All right. Well, we'll I just don't want to talk. You guys connected, I guess,

Brian Atlasafter the show. Sorry. And uh and we do we do uh serious one v one debates on here. uh not on the dating talk panels, but we have a different format. So, we have this one from Brian. What the Oh my

Brian Atlasgod. Brian loves roast beef punami donated $200. That's crazy. All right. Thank Thank you. Thank you for that one. Appreciate it. Do Mormons

Brian Atlasengage in Oh my god. I can't wait. That's I think this happens more often than not. Uh Brian's Brian loves roast beef punani. Thank you. That's That's a great

Brian Atlasname. Uh, thank you. Appreciate it. Big Labby matter. Okay, so that's everybody's relationship status. Before I and I I wrote down the notes, so we're going to get back into some of the conversations about, you

Brian Atlasknow, mismatches and timelines when it comes to dating, wants, needs, uh, that sort of stuff. Career, career, like balancing career and family. I think that's a really interesting conversation. But first, we have to get

Brian Atlasthrough a few other topics really quick. Uh Mary, let me have you pull up the first react that we're going to do. The first uh tweet. All right. So, this is a really

Brian Atlasquick one. Uh Kanye West, April 9th, Leapia Place should be governmentissued. I had to [ __ ] start beefing with Kanye because um leave it there. As someone uh only dates women with I find

Brian Atlasthis deeply offensive. Hash big matter. So, um I think we ratioed Kanye pretty hard on this. probably not. But um anyways, that was just uh a quick little quick little thing I want to bring up really quick. Uh let's go to the next

Brian Atlasthing though, which is the big thing. So we have a I meant to do this last week, but uh scroll up scroll up. No, other way back up. So we have Ashley St. Clair here, who

Brian Atlasuh I don't know if you guys some of you are aware, she's a uh I was a supposed conservative political commentator

Brian Atlasprimarily on X. She gave birth to Elon Musk's almost a year ago at this point. Uh I think it was back in May of

Brian Atlas2024. So what almost a year ago she gave birth to his was it son new baby into the world. Uh and she posted this and it went super viral. Uh and there's an

Brian Atlasupdate. So but I'm going to give you guys a bit of background for the panel and any viewers who are not privy to it. So, uh, she posted that. Everyone freaked out on social media. There was a

Brian Atlaswhole bunch of, uh, uh, discourse about it. Tab over to the next one. Uh, so, oh, well, here's the big thing, right? Okay. So, um, she was

Brian Atlasessentially she didn't get attention from Elon Musk on Valentine's Day, the man who has multiple baby mamas and,

Brian Atlasum, like 14 children. And so she went public on Twitter on Valentine's Day or was it the day

Brian Atlasbefore? I don't know. It was Valentine's Day, I think. And uh put him on blast. And uh let let's pull up that clip, that thing, though, because she got a lot of

Brian Atlascriticism. Uh pull it back up. So she deleted this, but she wrote, now mind you, she's chasing this guy after for like millions of dollars of child support. She filed a lawsuit against

Brian Atlashim. Scroll down a little, just a little more. So, she wrote back in 2022, Camala can't help herself from bending over for man to get ahead. Uh, scroll back up. Scroll back up. Scroll back up. And then

Brian Atlasshe deleted the post, but we had it. Um, so it's kind of just interesting. uh Ashley Sinclair conservative like she was at the prior to this advising to be

Brian Atlasuh you know traditional relationships are superior blah blah blah but then she like goes and gets knocked up by the world's richest man uh knowing that he's not going to be like the dutiful like

Brian Atlasgoing to take my son to baseball practice like the dude is like involved in the current pol uh presidential administration and he runs multiple

Brian Atlasbillion billion dollar companies. So, it's just kind of interesting like uh that like this person espousing like trad values, but she's like here's the

Brian Atlasguy she's going to choose to get knocked up with. And now he's he like gave her a Tesla. He bought like a or he's paying for her like $40,000 Manhattan penthouse

Brian Atlasapartment. Uh paying millions of dollars in child support. Pull up the next one. Uh there's other some other damning some other damning tweets. Uh I think she writes in December of 2023, I think family court is the most evil

Brian Atlasinstitution ever. Mind you, she's currently in family court. Well, she brought it to family court uh with Elon Musk despite him uh having an informal

Brian Atlasagreement with her paying her millions of dollars uh a year in child support and probably other sort of benefits. So, but she wants more because she's greedy. Uh, next,

Brian Atlasuh, there's no sin as cruel as alienating a child from a parent, seeing so much of this everywhere. So, this is relevant because she's falling for sole custody of the

Brian Atlaschild, which seems like it would be alienating towards Elon Musk. disregarding the fact that she chose to get knocked up by a man who doesn't seem

Brian Atlaslike he has a lot of time to, you know, between his 14 other children, his five other baby mamas, running multiple billion-dollar companies, and also being involved in the uh administration, the

Brian Atlasgovernment administration. Next, oh, and then in that little thing at the beginning, she said, "Please respect my privacy." the very next day or some days after, she does a uh tell

Brian Atlasall with the New York Post, which is a uh kind of a t almost a tabloid. Uh so she does a sitdown interview in her 40 $40,000 per month uh what's it called?

Brian AtlasUh apartment, penthouse apartment in New York with some journalist from the New York Post. Kind of like weird that she asked for privacy but then does this next. Ah, okay. Here we go. So here's

Brian Atlasthe update. Uh scroll up. I'm going to read it. So, this is from Laura Loomer. Laura Loomer says, "Gold digger and professional gaslighter Ashley St. Clair was caught on camera outside of her

Brian Atlasritzy Manhattan uh condo, paid for by her sugar daddy, Elon Musk. She's selling her $100,000 Tesla she said was gifted to her by Elon Musk during their romantic relationship. She said she's

Brian Atlasselling it to make up for the for 100,000 in alleged cuts to her child support payments from Elon." She took a jab at Elon Musk. Scroll down. Telling people to check the Tesla stock, adding, "I'm not the only one cleaning up after

Brian AtlasElon's messes." Ashley, as I reported, has hired anti-Trump lawyers to sue Elon Musk. He was ordered by the court to take a paternity test. So, go full screen on that video. We're going to

Brian AtlasOkay. And then, um, go uh, sorry. Go to the video tab. That's just one up. That's not It should be nine. Or wait, one, two, maybe three, actually. Video tab. Three.

Brian AtlasUh, no. It's just above the window tab. So, the button for the window tab, it's just one above

Brian Atlasit. No, now you're you're out of F11. It Okay, here. Just do this. Go to look at the scenes in OBS. There's a

Brian Atlasvideos tab. No, it's scenes. Do you see where it says window? Yeah. It's videos tab. It's right above it. Just click it. No,

Brian Atlasno, no, no, no, no, no. Up. Just up it. Yep. Okay, that's it. Um, all right. Uh, full screen the video and then start it from the

SPEAKER_13beginning and then press play. I'm selling it because I need to make up for the 60% cut that Elon made to our son's childhood.

SPEAKER_05Why do you think that you did that? That's a great question for him. You feel like he was sort of like vindictive against you in some way? Uh

SPEAKER_13yeah, that's his operande when women uh speak out. When was the last time that you you spoke to him or tried to speak to him? February 13th, but he's just not not

SPEAKER_05responding to you at all. How would you characterize the way

SPEAKER_13you can check the stocks? I am uh I'm not the only one

Brian Atlas[Music] after Carvana. Look at that. All right.

Brian AtlasAll right, pause that. Cool. Uh, so there's a few more things to go over, but I do want to get I guess the panel's opinion on this whole thing. Uh, just one quick note

Brian Atlasthough. You'll note that uh Ashley Stlair, she's not particularly famous. Like, aside from her having a child with

Brian AtlasElon Musk, she's not famous. So, she's asking for privacy in this whole matter. She I don't know if you guys know like what the Kardashians did did or like people in Hollywood did when it came to

Brian Atlascelebrities. They call the paparazzi on themselves. So this is like a really weird thing for her to do because like there's not paparazzi just like hanging outside her building hoping to get the

Brian Atlasshot of Ashley Stlair out in the street. She calls the paparazzi on herself and is like, "Hey, come do but like trying to frame it like it's a paparazzi moment." That's kind of weird. But so

Brian Atlaswhat do you guys think? uh of everything. And then just also she's getting millions of dollars a year in child support, but she needs she she has to sell her

Brian AtlasTesla to uh cuz the child support payments aren't enough. It's at least the Tesla component selling it. It's just seems like a kind of vindictive

Rydermove to try to be like, well, [ __ ] Elon basically. But um your thoughts? Um actually, I totally agree with that. I think that honestly, okay, look at like for her to sell the Tesla and like calling the like paparazzi, obviously it

Ryderwas just so Elon could see it on TV and be like, "She gave away the [ __ ] car I gave her." Like, and that's really what I think about it cuz I've actually never heard of her. The only baby mama I know of Elon's is Grimes. So yeah,

Abigail (Married)everything she's doing seems very intentional. It's 100% for money, for attention. attention. And if 60% of her child support is $100,000, babies don't

Abigail (Married)cost that much. She doesn't need all that. She wants more. Not for the child, but for her. Sure. Any thoughts? Really, it's kind of just dumb. Dumb situation.

SPEAKER_04Dumb. Like, yeah. How's it dumb? Um, kind of just the whole thing like you got into that situation. You should handle it amicably. like maybe she has to involve the press to get some sort of

SPEAKER_04reaction from him, which I could understand. But you understand the press involvement. Well, maybe if he's really just not paying attention, I could see why she would go to that length. I'm not saying that I agree with it at all.

Brian AtlasI mean, you So, prior to Well, there's another there's a lot of like other components to it, but um prior to her going public with this, it was handled totally privately. He was he's a busy

Brian Atlasguy. I'm assuming he was pretty upfront. Like, and even if he wasn't upfront, which I assume he was, there's some pretty clear things. The fact that he's a billionaire, the fact that he's

Brian Atlasinvolved in multiple like CEO of multiple companies. This is not going to be a guy who's like insanely invol and he wait and he's got like four other baby mamas and 14 other kids. Like I

Brian Atlasdon't think going into that situation as a woman, you can reasonably expect that this guy's going to be there every single day. Like she made her choice. Yeah. She made a choice to be involved with this guy. And then now that she's

Brian Atlasdissatisfied with the choice she's she she made, it's like, "Oh, now I'm going to go public." It was a It was being handled privately. I think it's terrible in any sort of relationship situation to

Brian Atlaslike ever go to the press or go public with stuff, especially when the guy's paying like hundreds of thousands a month, millions a year in child support, but you think it's justified. No, I've

SPEAKER_04never said I think it's justified. I'm trying to do it, why she would take that step, but frankly, I 100% agree with what you said. Okay. Any thoughts? Um,

SPEAKER_04my take is that this whole dumpster fire could be avoided if people would just stop sleeping with other people that they're not willing to parent a child

SPEAKER_04with. Um, so true. True, true. Very true. It's true. So, uh, yeah. No, basically Elon, I love that you love babies, but you need to chill, dude. You need to stop. You need to be be a dad if

SPEAKER_04you're going to make more babies. Uh, you need to be a present father. Um because that's what our I mean that's what our society pushes this idea of just sleeping around with people and you forget that that creates children. Um

SPEAKER_04and if you're sleeping with someone, you have to take responsibility for the fact that you might be a parent to the child that you create. So Elon, that's for you. What anything for Ashley though? No, I mean I obviously we don't know

SPEAKER_04everything that's going on the situation. I agree that she's probably trying to take advantage of him and making trying to gain popularity from the situation. Um, no. Also, Ashley, don't sleep with people you're not

Brian Atlaswilling to have a child with and raise a child with. Here's another factor I I forgot. Uh, she she had a kid before. So, this is baby daddy number two. I thought you said she was like a Christian conservative commentator. Not

Andrew WilsonChristian. I don't think she's Christian, but sheck is on the street. not Christian, but she's conservative. I'm actually confused about your your position. I

Andrew Wilsonwonder if you can if you can help me out here. You said that Elon shouldn't be with this uh Ashley because he's not willing to raise uh a child with her, right? So, he shouldn't be impregnating

SPEAKER_04her. Well, I my my take is basically that you shouldn't sleep around with people unless you're ready to be responsible for the child that you create. Um but he isn't being responsible for the child. He's not being a present father, though. I mean,

SPEAKER_04he's doing he's doing what's expected. I I think that it's not great, though. I don't think it's a great situation that a child is without um their both of their parents living together with them.

SPEAKER_04Um and obviously, that's not always that's sometimes unavoidable. Um but no, in general, I think I mean, this whole situation would have been solved if they if he wasn't sleeping with a ton of women. I don't know how you can put this

Andrew Wilsonon Elon Musk, though, right? He basically just had Oh, it's on both of them. Well, it just seems like it's on her to me. He just he just ordered a prostitute's womb, right? I mean, that's what he did. He ordered it up, put a

Andrew Wilsonbaby in there, and then said made an arrangement for uh money, right? I mean, that's essentially what happened here. And that's I mean, that's bad. Both of them should not be doing that. Yeah. Why was St. Clair an afterthought to you and

SPEAKER_04it was directed? Well, because because he has what, 14 children now? Are any of them the same baby mama? Do we know they are? Well, this is a rep repeated thing that he continues to do. So that's why I

Andrew Wilsonaddressed it to him specifically. Yeah, but I mean it's not possible. So women women are the gatekeepers of sex and they're the gatekeepers of the womb in this particular case. What do you mean

Andrew Wilsonby that? Basically well it it means that unless you're in some barbaric nation, uh you are not I mean you get to choose your sexual partner, right? You get to

Andrew Wilsonchoose who impregnates you, right? And so does he. I mean, he's like choosing to he's choosing to have sex with But absent Yeah. But right, but absent womb, right? Elon Musk can't do anything. And so the thing is Well, it takes two to

Andrew Wilsoncreate a child. He's basically ordering up a womb. He's just ordering it up like he would on Amazon, right? He's ordering Yeah. And that's why I'm saying the mother. Yeah. And that's awful. I think I'm not saying what he's doing is right. I'm just saying that I don't know why

Andrew WilsonSt. Clair is an afterthought. Like Yeah. I guess that's wrong, too. It's like it seems like to me like the the person who would sell the womb is uh literally setting their child up for failure. Like some worst form of motherhood I could

SPEAKER_04ever think of. You're you're saying that it's mostly her fault. Yeah. No, it's both of their faults. Both of them chose to engage in sexual behaviors with each other. Both of them took on the risk of creating a child and both of them should

Andrew Wilsonhave been equally responsible for the child that they create. Yeah. So in this case though, they have an arrangement, right? The arrangement is I'm going to pay X amount of dollars per month on

Andrew Wilsonbehalf of this child. I want to have a child, right? But I'm not always going to be present for this child. That's my end of this contract, right? That we're about to sign. She says, "Sure, that

Andrew Wilsonsounds like a wonderful contract." She signs it. He seems like he's keeping up his end of the contract here and she's not keeping up her end of the contract. Are you saying that I don't know much about the situation? Are did he

SPEAKER_04intentionally want to have a child with her? Yeah. Yes. Oh, I did not know that. Oh, yeah. That's messed up. No, that's still I still think it's equally messed up on both of their parts that both of them How could it be if they both they

SPEAKER_04both enter into this agreement, right? So, they both enter into the agreement and he's keeping up his end of the agreement. She's not keeping up her end of the agreement. Well, I mean, yeah, that I'm I'm talking about specifically

SPEAKER_04the fact that they I'm talking about before all of the drama that's happening now. They both were in error to intentionally engage in activities that

SPEAKER_04could create a child and not be as present as a parent, both of them, as they could be for that child. Um, I mean, yeah. So, the after stuff, the stuff that she's doing afterwards, yes, that is her fault. I mean, obviously, we

Andrew Wilsondon't know. woman who uh wants to get impregnated by a very rich and powerful man for only the purposes of media clout and relevancy is a pretty horrible

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] person. I would say that that person uh is is much worse than the even the person who's impregnating her especially since he's doing it only from the angle of I want to so in must mind

Andrew Wilsonhe's saying I want to spread my seed far and wide. It's part of his quote mating strategy right that um he has as much offspring as possible. so that his genetics live on and he can afford to do so because he's the richest man on

Andrew Wilsonplanet Earth. So he essentially rents out these women's uteruses and they prostitute their uteruses out in exchange for money and they sign a contract with him essentially to do so

Andrew Wilsonbeforehand. And it's like it seems to me like women could really guard against this or he could just stop doing this as well. Like I don't understand like yes it's bad. You shouldn't. Yeah, but why

SPEAKER_04is it a problem for Right. he doesn't care. Like what could you do to because there's a child that you have to consider. You have to consider that there's this child involved that is going to be without a present father and that is 100% his fault. He should not be

SPEAKER_04intentionally creating children that he's not willing to be a responsible parent to. So yes, their the intentions might be different behind why they are trying to have this child. And I will agree with you that maybe she did do it

SPEAKER_04to get famous, but that doesn't change the fact that both of them are equally in the wrong because both of their decisions equally impact the child in the same way and the fact that the child is not going to have present parents and that they intentionally creating child to put them in a bad situation. So

Andrew Wilsonequally, well, first of all, it could equally be the case because in this case, he's he's the one who provides the entirety of the support, right? Not her. He does. So at in in the aspect of the

Andrew Wilsonprovide role, he's at least doing the provide role. She's not even accommodating her mother role, right? She's not even accommodating that right from the outset. She makes sure there's not going to be a present father in this

SPEAKER_04kid's life right from the outset. Yeah. I'm not saying she does this via agreement. It's like that's insane to me. No, I'm not saying that she's Yeah. I'm not saying that now they're equal. I'm not saying that. Oh, like she

SPEAKER_04they're equally in the wrong now. Obviously, she's trying to take advantage of him based off of what we've seen. Um, but before all this happened, that's my whole point is that all of this could have been avoided if both of them had just not gotten into this

SPEAKER_04terrible agreement to begin with. Because no matter if she broke the agreement, the agreement itself from the beginning was bad and they were both equally wrong to agree on having a child in a situation where the child was not going to have present parents. Does that

Andrew Wilsonmake sense? Yeah. I don't I don't disagree with you that both are doing a functionally immoral thing. What I'm looking at is who has uh more legitimate irresponsibility or responsibility for the behavior thus far. That's what I'm

Andrew Wilsonlooking at that St. Clair St. Clair is 100% in the wrong here. Um and has been from the from from the outset and that at least

SPEAKER_04he's holding up to his contractual in or she's not even doing that. Right. Right. No, I agree with you now that she is definitely like in the wrong is not doing the right thing. I'm talking about from the start. This whole thing would have been avoidable if they were both

Andrew Wilsonidiots with how they're engaging in activities that create children. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, but there's not there was never any dispute that that's an immoral category, right? We're just talking about some some people

SPEAKER_04clearly think it was brought up as though it was St. Clair was brought up secondary. You're like, I'm talking to you Elon. I'm like, what? Why did you Oh, I was I was specifically talking about how the the behaviors that led to this whole situation could have been

SPEAKER_04avoided if both of them did not do that because he clearly does this with many women. Um, so yeah, it's a problem. All right. Um, any reactions on I feel

Natalie (Seattle)like you covered quite a bit. So I Yeah, I think that I agree like a lot of this can be avoided if you wait till marriage. Anybody here? It definitely seemed like an attention stunt. um

SPEAKER_04whether it was for from like for Elon Musk directly or for other women to be like, "Oh my gosh, you know, she's such a victim. There's so much wrong that he

SPEAKER_04did." and you know. Okay. Any anything from you or I think that um Ashley Sinclair's got a lot of cojones to I

SPEAKER_04don't know to like I mean I'm I'm not in any way in any shape any form near the amount of no notoriety that that she is. And I I think that I kind of agree with

SPEAKER_04you in a sense where like he needs to be able to raise the kid too. He needs to know that when you know the action's happening. But um I I I don't know how like I'm scared to even show my new car

SPEAKER_04wrap to people. I I don't even like want people to know what kind of car I'm in, let alone where my apartment is doing a interview. I I don't know that to me. But then again, I guess everyone has

Brian Atlastheir own comfort with privacy. I I guess do you want to be like baby baby mama number five or Elon Musk? No, not after the trajectory. He wouldn't do it. No. He's like, "Okay, I'll pay you

SPEAKER_04$100,000 a month." He's not going to be there and I that's going to be a tough tough deal for me. I mean, $100,000 a month. 100 grand a month. I mean, I could live off. You could stop You could

SPEAKER_04stop the you know the You have to think about the child. The courts in there's an innocent child involved in this. Yeah. But Yeah. But then Yeah. like there's a kid with no baby and eventually like I'm going to try to like

SPEAKER_04the thing is is if he's not there I'm the type that like is like okay well we need to get somebody there or father there so then he's going to be like why are you picking another one a man to father my son I'm like you ain't here

Brian Atlasman like I don't know like so yeah uh let's uh go back to the window tab oh here I need you to go

Brian Atlasback to the other tab like the Ashley Stlair thing. I wanted to finish up on that. Let me know when you have it. Uh

Brian Atlasguys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream. Like the video. Perfect. Uh all right. By the way, Brian, this is um what this is essentially I've I've always had a theory that I wanted to run

Andrew Wilsonby about about St. Clair in these. So, I think that there's a lot of women in right-wing media who get very upset because they don't get what they consider to be their due and proper

Andrew Wilsonrespect at right-wing media from the men and they hatch revenge plots. They actually hatch revenge plots in order to get back gets these vaccines at the right-wingers in these media comp and do

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] like this. Ashley St. Clair, Lauren Southern, I have endless examples of women doing this. I wanted to see if what your take was on that.

Brian AtlasUh, are these women though? You're saying it's conservative women? Because I don't think Ashley Stlair or Lauren Southern are conservative. They're part of conservative part of conservative media and at least marketed

Andrew Wilsonthemselves as being part of conservative media or right-wing media. Like there's a revenge there's a revenge plot or revenge aspect to it of um of

Brian Atlasthem doing [ __ ] like this. Sure. Yeah. I mean, uh, I've definitely seen this before. You mentioned Lauren Southern. I don't know if you recognize this name. Sydney Watson. Uh, but these women I are feminist. They're they're feminists.

Brian AtlasThey're not particularly conservative. Um, I mean, Lauren Southern slept with Destiny, right? Allegedly. Allegedly. That's not That's not alleged anymore. Oh, it's confirmed. Okay. Oh, yeah. More

Brian Atlasthan um I don't know. How do you how are you going to be like a trad conservative Republican and [ __ ] blue-haired leftist destiny? That's kind

Brian Atlasof crazy. But um agree. And uh yeah, I mean she loved him for his brilliant mind, Ryan. Yeah. But no, I mean uh I guess there's been a bunch of

Brian Atlasuh bunch of uh conservative women. Fake conservative. Fake fake fake conservatives. We don't claim that

Brian Atlasanyone can have. falling into lust. Um, oh, let's uh let's finish up the uh actually wait. But no, I mean,

Brian AtlasAndrew, it is a good point. Like the vindictiveness. Yeah, that's crazy. Um, I don't even really understand. And there's a there's a whole bunch of like stuff we we left out. Like, for example, I'll just add one other thing. Uh,

Brian AtlasAshley Stlair, her communications between herself and Elon Musk were done on this app called Signal. And on Signal, uh, you can't screenshot it. Or I guess maybe it sends like a

Brian Atlasnotification if you I haven't used it, but you can't screenshot on Signal. And it did the chats disappear after I guess you can set it to a c 24 hours, 12, whatever. So he was communicating with her on Signal. and she was using a

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