Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

Date: 2025-04-14

Duration: 8h 02m

Guests

CCaitlyn (Virgin)

LLauren (Brothel)

LLydia (Pro-Life)

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

NNatalie (Seattle)>

AAbigail (Married)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Abigail (Married)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ryder(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Natalie (Seattle)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentAndrew Wilson defends male authority/headship in marriage. Significant pushback.

Key Moment$999 champagne pop from Ogle

Key MomentRyder's TikToks: nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband

ControversyLydia's abortion clinic confrontation video — most contentious segment

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Ryder (abusive ex), Maddie (LDS), Lydia (pro-life), Natalie, Lauren (brothel), Haley (dairy), Caitlyn (virgin), Abigail (married at 19).

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby

Panel reacts to Ashley discussing having Elon Musk baby.

Andrew Wilson Authority in Marriage

Andrew defends Orthodox Christian male headship. Significant pushback.

Ryder TikToks

Nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband TikToks. Ethical debate on posting about exes.

Lydia Abortion Clinic Video

Most contentious segment. Confrontational interaction with clinic staff.

IVF Burning Building Hypothetical

Save 5-year-old or 1,000 embryos? Tests embryo personhood beliefs.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthey can call me that. It's great. Oh, okay. All right. He follows up by saying, "I will ask the famous Andrew question. If men are supposed to be providers and protectors to not only their family but to provide society

Brian Atlassomething significant as their duty, what duties do women bring? What do you women bring to the table? Are you virgins if not actually this is a this

Andrew Wilsonis a fantastic question brought up by beaten cheeks. So he's asking this and maybe we can go around the panel on this. If it is the case that men's job in society is to uh procure resources.

Andrew WilsonSo think of it from a bird's eye view. The whole world's a bunch of waring tribes, which is exactly what it is between different nations, countries, things like this. If it's the men's job

Andrew Wilsonto procure resources, refine resources, distribute resources, and it is their job to defend the nation and defend the social security inside of the nation. So

Brian Atlasthe security of all people, what is the equal role that women have in society to that? That's his question. It's a good question for the panel. Yeah. Why don't we start? Uh, we'll start on this side.

RyderWhat do you think? Um, I don't know. To be honest, I believe like from the dawn of time, we're we're gatherers. They're hunters. We're supposed to just be at home. And I I mean, I love traditional

Ryderwives. I actually Abigail, respect. I want your life. I want the life. Um, honestly, yeah. Because once I get married and I have kids, I truly believe because I chose

Ryderthat man and I already know his mindset enough to like choose him. So I need to trust him because obviously that's why I chose him. I would not just get with the man that I did not trust. So I mean I mean yeah blind's eye view like I would

Ryderjust kind of respect him all the way because I got to know him before we before we married. Hang on hang on chair one. Um what about to the question though? What is the equal responsibility

Andrew Wilsonto society that is equal to down for men? The equal responsibility that women have to that responsibility they laid out that men have. What is the equal one that women have?

SPEAKER_04I guess just keeping the home, keeping the home, keeping the kids, keeping everything stable on that side. All right, let's get somebody else. Go ahead. What about you? Um, I would say it's nurturing, raising a family. Um,

SPEAKER_04teaching kids good principles, good morals, teaching them about the Bible. I think that's really important. Um, as well as provide, not providing, sorry, don't blame me. like cooking, taking care of the home as well. But overall,

SPEAKER_04just ensuring the well-being of husband, kids, and the home. Um, but men have to match up to that life as well. And I feel like that's also something in modern day that we do not see a lot. And so, okay, in a perfect world, it's easy

SPEAKER_04to talk about here's the line, let's divide it, but it's not always that way. True. Uh, no, I agree with you guys that motherhood is absolutely an amazing gift and something that is obviously essential to society. Obviously, not

SPEAKER_04every woman though is called to be mothers. Some women never get married and that doesn't mean that they are less valuable to society. Um, and so you can

SPEAKER_04absolutely still provide amazing value to the world um as a as not a mother. But I do agree that um motherhood is a amazing thing, amazing gift. So motherhood would be what you would say

SPEAKER_04would be the equal the equal responsibility all the way to the the uh responsibility socially that men have. Well, I think that women who aren't married or don't like or just don't have

SPEAKER_04kids yet, I still think that they are they have a responsibility to give value to the world in other ways. Um what are those ways? I'm curious. Like just like for instance, my job right now is working full-time in the pro-life

SPEAKER_04movement. Um, and I think that's something that is I've I've been called into. Wait, that's still based around motherhood, though. Wait, I have I have a quick question on that. If your

Brian Atlashusband said, "Hey, this advocacy that you're doing is fantastic, but like you want to have kids, right?" Yeah. Okay. And he said, "Well, once you start

Brian Atlashaving kids, got to cut that out. I love I'm Hey, I'm a pro pro-life husband, whatever. But your work in that organization must cease. Do you listen

SPEAKER_04to him? I would if he absolutely like made that decision. But no, my husband uh supports me continuing my work when we do have kids because I love what I do and it's great. Oh, that's important

Natalie (Seattle)work. Yeah. Sure. Um, I think that women are like I believe that you're supposed to live as you're not going to get married. And because some people aren't called to be married and

Andrew Wilsonso I'm going to live in that way, but then let's say I do get married. Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. I just I'm I'm really sorry to cut you off. I don't mean to do this. The only reason I'm doing it is because I'm This is a very

Andrew Wilsonspecific question which is not tailored to you individually as people as the person. So I'm not asking you this question. So I'm going to repeat the

Andrew Wilsonquestion. Men's job in society is to procure resources, refine resources, distribute resources. Every single job

Andrew Wilsonskill that you look at will provide this for you, right? 95% 96% in many cases 97% uh things like electricians, things like

Andrew Wilsonuh oil rig operators, things like construction workers, right? The people and people who go out and actually procure resources, all basically all men, almost all of them. This is seems to be what their social and societal

Andrew Wilsonrole is. That is the case. They are to protect society and provide resources on behalf of women and children in society. What is the equal social duty that women

Natalie (Seattle)have to that? I think caretakers and nurturers, whether that's in their communities, in the people that they're around, in their churches, and then for those men.

SPEAKER_04Okay, quick answers if we can. Um I I mean I guess I I didn't really grow up in a nuclear family so I I don't

SPEAKER_04really like I'm just I you know this is it has nothing to do with you asking prescriptively what do you think socially women I I guess they they could I did babysit when I was younger so I

SPEAKER_04would say that yeah I guess they could nurture the my yeah it has nothing to do with me so never mind that wouldn't that wouldn't pertain but uh okay so mother show and back to motherhood nurturing.

SPEAKER_04Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. Um having kids and making sure that they're raised properly with a good moral um moral foundation and then that also

SPEAKER_04educated properly because the education system is next. Yeah. Um proi providing relief and nurturing and stuff. Um I just got it. We prepare the men for war. Me next. Yeah. Well said. I think an

Abigail (Married)ideal society has nuclear families everywhere. So fostering a nuclear family, raising your daughter up and the way that we have described women need to be and raising your son up in the way that you described men need to be would

Andrew Wilsonbe. So then we essentially have universal agreement almost on this panel that the social obligation for women is based around motherhood and raising the next generation of children in some way

Andrew Wilsonparticipating towards that. That seems to be the social obligation that you universally agree on. However, here's the problem. In all western nations and almost all nations in fact but the west

Andrew Wilsonparticularly we we are not at reproductive rates to replace our society at all. We are under replacement across the board which means that women

Andrew Wilsonare failing in this social duty of both reproduction and the assistance towards the ends of reproduction which by the way all of you on this panel agreed is

Andrew Wilsonthe social equal of what men are providing for you. However, men are upholding their end which is the procurement, refinement, distribution of

Andrew Wilsonresources and protection of society. So I want so my my the question boils down to this since this is the case. What do you think should be done that's not based around um well actually we'll just

Andrew Wilsonmake it easy. What do you think should be done so that women go back to this idea of role of reproduction in society in this social role of being matrons in raising the next generation since you

SPEAKER_04think that's the social duty? Go ahead. Uh, so I actually had a video, I don't know if you've seen this interview ever, but you know, you two, Bono is very political and he he did an interview, I think a couple years ago, and it said,

SPEAKER_04uh, America is a very young country and it hasn't developed its, um, structure quite yet. And I I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, but this interview is online and he talks about

SPEAKER_04how America is so young that it's going to eventually within the next like hundred years develop its, you know, that type of a structure like its family

Andrew Wilsonstructure, its political like it each country is every country. This uh this issue the reproduction issue is in the entirety of all western nations regardless of age. The United States

Andrew Wilsonthough, right? United States. All of them including the United States. Okay. It do you But there's other nations which are which Okay. So longer. The United States, my understanding is the United States actually the oldest

Andrew Wilsoncurrent established nation with its original established do uh foundational constitution. It's the oldest one that exists currently. I see the pilgrim vibes coming back. Now other nations

Andrew Wilsonother nations which you could argue are older like England or the UK things like this sure but they suffer from the same reproduction crisis re really they they I know Japan yeah and all all of them I

SPEAKER_04I think I think there's a there's just um I mean I have a personal opinion about Japan in a sense where I feel like there's a lot of shame um in you know for the man to carry uh a lot of the you

SPEAKER_04know the how do I say it um financial and and responsibilities and if anything happens then you know it's dishonored to him and and how do you just so so why

Andrew Wilsonwon't women fulfill their social roles? Wh why won't women fulfill their social roles? Yeah, their social roles of reproducing having the next generation and assisting with that which is what

SPEAKER_04all you agreed is the social role that women have if men are going to be providing all of this for them. I think there's a communication issue like between not not between like me and you or anything but there's a communication

SPEAKER_04issue between men and women like I think that like and this is just I've taken you know polls from my own life and also you know other situations and scenarios that I've heard of and seen just over the course of my 32 years. I think that

SPEAKER_04like the problem is is like the whole ghosting thing that shouldn't even happen. That's going to kill a culture. Same thing with cancel culture. That's going to kill a culture. You know, you got to if if you don't want to talk to somebody no more, you need to tell them why. Unless it was a super violent

SPEAKER_04reason, you can bail. Sure. But you got to tell them why so then they can at least utilize that reason for the next person. Like, you know, why are you going to like hoard that information from them? And it's men's No, it's so

SPEAKER_04it's men's fault or No, it's both. Both faults. They both the cancel culture needs to stop and so does ghosting. Both of them. That's going to kill that's killing culture. How is that going to assist with the reproduction? Uh because then people will be more honest like,

SPEAKER_04"Hey, I didn't really like you because you know, you're kind of hairy or you're kind of like you're kind of masculine or something. can you know and then and then I would remember that stuff cuz mostly dudes would just ghost me and then never tell me what was wrong then all of a sudden 10 years later when I

SPEAKER_04change they hit me up and then they want to be with me and I'm like what okay so what was wrong with me oh it was just uh I don't know and I'm like no you tell me what was wrong with me and you should have told me then so I could have

SPEAKER_04utilized that information and used it in my next relationship men's fault no no no it's men's fault in my scenario but I'm sure um I'm sure I mean for me as of in a recent like at least because I had

SPEAKER_04a problem with ghosting for a very long time. So I always told people this was just something in my my mechanisms that I used myself in the past seven years. I always told people why I stopped talking

SPEAKER_04to them. Absolutely 100%. So you think that the reproduction crisis will be solved if people stop? It would be helped. It wouldn't be solved but it would be helped because then people could figure out what was actually wrong

SPEAKER_04with them according to other people as opposed to people just being like I'm going to bail out whatever. like, you know, I'll just find a new one. And it's like, no, like tell somebody what's wrong so they can fix the problem. And if they ain't going to do it with you, they're going to do it with the next person. Okay, fair enough. Chair one,

Andrew Wilsonwhat do you what do you think? We'll go around real quick. What if if the social obligation is of women to reproduce and assist with reproduction, which all of you agreed is their role. Why do you think they're failing in that

SPEAKER_04obligation? Honestly, I'm super agreeing. Honestly, if there was Give me one second. Okay. Chair two, bro. I wouldn't say this is something that like specifically comes down to like

SPEAKER_04traditional women aren't doing their jobs. I feel like it's it's a problem all over the world in countries in some countries a lot worse than the US. Um I think a lot of it comes down to economic stability. A lot of families don't feel comfortable with being able to provide

SPEAKER_04for a large amount of kids. College tuition is expensive. Um while I do believe I mean people people want that. Yeah. I think everybody wants that. Um they just want to have a and why it is the poor have have more kids than the

SPEAKER_04rich and the middle class than if it's about money. I think that's a question for perhaps you. Sure. No, I actually agree that it's not just it's not a failure of of

SPEAKER_04women necessarily because it takes two to create a child. Women women themselves cannot go and create a child on their own. Um and like obviously as someone who works in pro-life activism, financial instability is a primary

SPEAKER_04reason why people are getting abortions. a lot. Another reason is oftentimes um the baby's father doesn't want to want a child. A lot of the women I've worked with seeking abortions are there because the baby's father is dragging them there because men aren't willing to be

SPEAKER_04responsible fathers either. So, it's it's both. It's men and women. I think that definitely are Well, even if you're compensated for abortions yearly, it wouldn't solve the reproduction crisis. Not even close. Sorry, what' you say?

SPEAKER_04Even if you were to compensate for the abortions yearly, it still would not solve the reproduction crisis, right? I mean, it would help, but no, I think the reasons people are getting abortion is the same. Yeah, it's it's the same

SPEAKER_04reasons though is financial instability and pe and I also do think there's a is a problem with people don't value motherhood and um feminism or what people consider feminism now I guess

SPEAKER_04what modern day feminism has become is telling women that motherhood is less of an important role um than being a CEO or whatever and that's not true motherhood is one of the most what incentive do men

Andrew Wilsonhave to marry women who won't submit though and on top of that here's here's here's what Actually, here's what actually causes it. The reproduction crisis. There's actually just really one

Andrew Wilsonmajor correlation which causes it is that women take their reproductive years, their 20s, which is their primary reproductive years, and they go to college in their 20s, and they don't

Andrew Wilsonstart having families until they're about on average now in the US, 28 years old before they start. But a lot of them are starting in their 30s. Most marriages now are starting in their 30s. Because of this, women have less

Andrew Wilsonchildren, significantly less children. So, actually, it seems to me that if you wanted to solve the problem of having your entire nation uh completely replaced by immigrants or people who aren't from your nation, that the way

Andrew Wilsonthat you could solve this is by having some sort of propaganda campaign at the national level to glorify the family and not to glorify women going to college, which seems to be a complete and total

SPEAKER_04waste of what women's social obligation is, which is having children and bringing up the next generation of society. Andrew, I have a question. So, what do you think about parents? Like, because they exist out there. I'm just

SPEAKER_04going to say they exist, seeing them. What do you think about parents that don't want their kids to have kids, that they just want to be the parent forever? They don't ever want to be a grandparent. They don't ever want the identity of a grandparent. They don't ever want to get old. What do you think about those parents? Because there are

Brian Atlasthose parents out there. Uh, well, hold on. I'd actually prefer if the panel responds to Okay. Andrew's point that he just It's No, it's okay. Um, maybe later we can get into it. Here was the Here was the point. If you stave off in their

Andrew Wilson20s, if women were to stave off in their 20s, and here's how we know this, because we can look at reproduction rates, especially since the 1800s where they've been dropping like a rock,

Andrew Wilsonright? And we can see that when women were getting married younger, we were having many more children because of multiple reasons. Primary one is they have more childbearing years. The second is the children tend to be much

Andrew Wilsonhealthier. Three, the mother tends to be able to recover much better. So any woman will tell you who's had a child in their 20s that it was a breeze in comparison to when they had one in their

Andrew Wilson30s or especially in their 40s, right? Which is like they can be god awful on their body at that point. So, it seems that what we're doing is we're taking the smartest women who should be at home

Andrew Wilsonraising the next generation and telling them instead that they should be going to college and sacrificing their childbearing years in order to get a job. Which, by the way, the types of jobs that they're getting, there's

Andrew Wilsonbasically only three categories. None of them are getting jobs in STEM. So, to delay in psychology in and they're getting degrees in nursing, and they're getting degrees in sociology. That's mainly what they're getting degrees in.

Andrew WilsonThey're basically not doing anything STEM-wise and they h half of them or more don't even work in the very fields they got a degree in. So, this seems backwards to me, right? Doesn't that seem backwards to everybody? Would you

SPEAKER_04just see that it's just they're afraid of a the older generation's afraid of aging? What do you mean? Like they're afraid of aging. They don't ever want to be a grandparent. So, they don't tell their kids to have kids.

Andrew WilsonYou mean in these isolated? I'm not familiar with this phenomenon. I think it's very common. Wait, you never It's a very a very common phenomenon that grand that you know older parents are telling their children not to have children. I

Andrew Wilsonmean there I'm sure there's some anti-natalists out there who do that. But wait, they're called antiatalists. Wait. Yeah. Antiatalists are people who don't want other people to have children. Really? Oh, okay. Okay. Thank

Andrew Wilsonyou. I didn't know. So anyway, yeah, back to the point though. Um they say that's what it seems like. So um so shouldn't we do that? Shouldn't we try to defer women from going to college and

SPEAKER_04instead to move younger towards marriage if you wanted to actually solve this issue? Not necessarily. I think that you can still go to college and be a mom at the same time. I think that's important

SPEAKER_04that um I mean that's a common thing that I will agree with you. Society pushes on women that you can't be a mother and and you can't have a career and be a mother. You can't be a mother and be successful. Being a mother is success in itself. Um, but you can still do both. I do think in general though

SPEAKER_04there's a push for people to go to college and my generation definitely is going to college just because they're expected to. And I don't think that's just a women thing. I think that's in general like people just go to college when they don't know what to do with

Andrew Wilsontheir life. Um my my idea here in society is that if the social push for women right for for them to actually do the same what their duty is to society

Andrew Wilsonwhich you agree is reproduction the assistance towards reproduction right that's what you guys universally agreed is the social duty of women. Well, not always if that's the case. Yeah, but even the cases where they can't where

Andrew Wilsonwomen can't have children, just like in the cases where men can't defend the nation or are unable to defend their families due to physical ailments, we still would be pushing society towards a rule that men and women did do this. So,

Andrew Wilsonwe don't take the outliers and then make policy based on the outliers. That's what makes them outliers. Yep. So the thing is is like if that is the case, wouldn't you want the the kind of top

Andrew Wilsondown rhetoric from your leadership like even TPUSA or even you know the president of the United States on down to be to women not to waste their

Andrew Wilsonchildbearing years in school but instead take their childbearing years and move into the idea of husband and family. That would solve that would actually solve the reproduction crisis. That that

Andrew Wilsonwould solve it. done. Yeah, that solves the immigration issue of having to pump in millions of immigrants. That solves the issue. I

Abigail (Married)mean, it just solves it outright. Doesn't that seem like a good idea, right? Yeah. I And I mean, people can go to college and work and have children,

Andrew Wilsonbut they don't obviously because we have an issue with And why I mean, but think about it. It makes sense why they don't. you're you're going to go to class for like, you know, eight hours a day.

Andrew WilsonYou're doing homework. You're studying. You're focusing on career. You're doing all of these different things. Of course, having a child when you're a sophomore in college is going to put a

Brian Atlassignificant demand on your time and stop your whole college career outright. Right. So, I I actually have some anecdotal and maybe the the viewers in the chat can weigh in on this, Andrew.

Brian Atlaswhen I was when I was myself in college trying to date and stuff, the amount of times I would get and hey, look, maybe they just weren't feeling it, but the amount of times I would get like, "Oh,

Brian Atlashey, you want to grab dinner? Oh, I got a test. I got to study. I'm busy. I I'm I got to I got a midterm. Got a final." The that came up all the time

Brian Atlaswhen I was dating when I was like more college age. and uh a lot of those fizzled out and maybe they just weren't feeling it, whatever. But there's a lot of women who are like in some pretty intensive uh programs,

Brian Atlasespecially if it's in certain STEM fields like [ __ ] biochem that's that's you got to study that's not that's not a sociology class. Biochem

Brian Atlaslike those are difficult classes. And so uh there is like maybe that component maybe men have encountered this with dating. It's like and then you get a job then you're working 9 to5 you're tired

Natalie (Seattle)all this sort of stuff and so uh yeah I have a question um Andrew what would your advice be to an 18-year-old girl

Natalie (Seattle)who is wants to do that she wants to be a mother at the age of 20 21 but um she has to provide for herself like her parents like I'm kicking you out of the house at 18 and you can either go to

Natalie (Seattle)college or you can get a job and move out and like get your own apartment and there's some women too. Like the Bible doesn't say that every single person is going to find somebody to marry and have children. And so we are put in a position where okay, I'm going to have

Natalie (Seattle)to live like I'm not going to get married. And if God happens to put that person in my life and I do get married, I'm happy to hop into that role of submission and be the wife and the nurturing mother that God's called me to be. But what do you say to the 18-year-old who's like, "What do I do?"

Andrew WilsonLike, you remember the parable of the talents? What? How about help me recall? Yeah. And the parable of the talents is um it's a it's a parable laid down which essentially is expressing that you

Andrew Wilsonshould use your talents on behalf of God and Jesus Christ. Right? That is essentially what it boils down to. There's more to it, but for the sake of time, we'll just say that essentially is what it boils down to. Okay. What I have

Andrew Wilsonnoticed and and noted is that women seem to have absolutely no problem toggling uh working and then going to college part-time so that they can uh get a

Andrew Wilsondegree. They can seem to be laser focused on career if necessary. But when it comes to being laser focused on marriage, they seem to kind of let that go by the wayside. And I hear a lot of

Andrew Wilsonthe God cope, which says, "Hey, right, I'm just waiting for God to put the right man in front of me." Well, how about you use your God-given talents and find the right damn man? There's tons of

Andrew Wilsonthem out there and focus like a laser like you would on school and college and this type of thing instead of utilizing the cope of like one day I hope that God

Andrew Wilsonwill magic down the correct man for me. It's like look you have talents and as Christ expressed these talents are supposed to be utilized on behalf of God. One of the talents that women seem

Andrew Wilsonto really have and universally have is being able to find a man who can provide for them. They even in modernity seem to still have that talent. So well what would you say to the verse he who finds

Natalie (Seattle)a wife finds a good thing not she who finds a husband finds a good thing. Like I think the man is the takes on the that role of pursuit over the woman. And I I I like you know what I've noticed I you

Andrew WilsonI agree with you that man men take on the pursuit role. But I have noticed that when women want to be pursued by certain men they let it be known totally. situations where they're going to

Andrew Wilsonencounter him again or they put themselves in situations where they drop subtle hits to their friends. They seem to put it out there that they're wanting this man to pursue them, right? They don't seem to have any trouble with that

Natalie (Seattle)social dynamic. So, what do you think? Like, I'm going to all the right things. I'm involved in a Bible study. I'm involved in my church. I'm involved serving here and going to all these places where I would meet this man. and then like he's up it's up to him to

Natalie (Seattle)pursue once I like you know drop some hints here and there. I'm not going to take on that role of pursuit and saying that I want you and I want you to provide it for me and I want to do those things cuz I like that takes on a very masculine role. So what would you say to

Andrew Wilsonthat? Is that wrong? Let me ask you a question. Right. Okay. Um are you part of the LDS as well? I'm not. I'm Christian. Just non-denominational. Non-denominational. Okay. So you're

Andrew Wilsonnon-denominational. So you have a vast pool here of uh men to choose from at least in the regards of um of your faith. So other faith, the reason I asked this is there's some faith where

Andrew Wilsonlook, you can't even date outside of that faith, right? Orthodoxy is one, you're not allowed to marry somebody who's not an orthodox. Okay? So that's that's why I asked this question. Uh but

Andrew Wilsonfor you, right, if if women spend as much time being laser focused on getting a good husband as they do with other pursuits, they would tend to get probably a pretty good husband. But you can't expect that he's going to be

Andrew Wilsonmagicked up. You also have to do your part like women have always done by the way. They used to always uh put themselves out there looking for courtship from different men and men will pursue. How do you think that

SPEAKER_04looks? You're never going to have a tr trouble with men pursuing them. That's not a problem. That's not an issue they have. What is the men they want? It is a problem. It is a problem for a lot of women. Pool is a lot smaller nowadays.

Andrew WilsonYeah. Let's find out if it's a problem for a lot of women. If uh if there was men right now, let's just say there was a man, random man in the room who was equal age with each one of you and you

Andrew Wilsonguys opened up your DMs, how many DMs do you guys get compared to that man that say, "Hi, beautiful. Hello, gorgeous. Oh, girl, I saw you on such and such and you were amazing. Oh my god, you're you

Andrew Wilsonknow, what's up, hottie?" How many of those do you guys get? Go ahead, raise your hand if you get those DMs. Come on, don't lie to me. Raise your hands if you get those DMs. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And let me tell you how many of those DMs I get.

Andrew WilsonAnd I'm a I'm a fairly well-known pretty famous at this point podcaster. But you're married. A couple a couple. But okay, but the guy's ding ding. She's

Andrew Wilsonhang on. She's married. She's married and gets them. She's married and gets them. Other women are married and get them. What are you talking about? So the thing is is like very few very few and I

Andrew Wilsonhave many advantages huge advantages other men don't have. So the thing is is like the pursuit is not an issue for women. That's insane, right? They get pursued endlessly. It's who's the right

Natalie (Seattle)man and you know the uh the kind of pickiness factor and this and that. I think that women unfortunately the older we've I mean as society's gone on we've gotten pickier, men have gotten pickier. I think that when you have countless

Natalie (Seattle)people at your disposal with Tinder and Hinge and Instagram, you are less satisfied with the option that you're given. However, the DMs that I'm getting are very rarely a high caliber man that

Natalie (Seattle)I would be open to going and on a date with. I've saved myself. I'd expect him to I don't expect him to save himself, but I expect him to have those same moral standings and beliefs that I do. And very rarely the guys in my DMs are

Andrew Wilsonthat. And so, no, I'm not gonna allow How old did you say you were? I'm 22. Yeah, you're 22, right? So, yeah, if you if you pursue rigorously pursue finding

Andrew Wilsona man who has the caliber of qualities that you're after, in this case, good foundational Christian ethics and you have reasonable standards when it comes to things like income, height, and look, nobody's asking you to date somebody you're not attracted to. That's

Andrew Wilsonbasically an impossibility for most people. Nobody's saying that you should do that. Uh though I do think attraction can grow over time between two people. Uh but overall I would say that if you

Andrew Wilsonkeep your standards within the confines of reason, just remember that young men at your age, they have potential, right? You're looking for the potential for what they can do when they're in their 30s and 40s. Most men your age are going

Andrew Wilsonto be broke as [ __ ] They're going to be broke, right? They're going to be [ __ ] working a job that's somewhat menial, right? And it's after they engage in family that they grow into that role by the way. Right? So it's not

Andrew Wilsonfind, you know, as long as he has the grounding foundational ethics um that that you're that you're after the Christian ethics. A lot of that stuff grows postmarriage and post family.

Andrew WilsonIt's these standards are so so high though for a lot of women where they're like, "Oh, he's got to make $100,000 a year." And it's like at 23, you can make $100,000 a year at 23 or 24, 25. What

Natalie (Seattle)are your That's for men in their 30s. What What are your standards? Yeah. What are you looking for in a guy? Um I am looking for number one, a guy who fears the Lord

Natalie (Seattle)and loves the Lord with his whole heart. I think that a lot flows from that. Um I'm looking for a guy who's ambitious and has goals and is a doer and he says what he's going to do. I think that

Natalie (Seattle)there's a lot of I mean I would love to follow after a man that his word means something and I see it in action and um I think that honestly a lot flows from

Natalie (Seattle)both of those. I think that a character in a guy if he really is honoring the Lord and wants to honor the Lord in all that he's doing I mean I would respect the heck out of him. I would submit to him for sure. Like but there's very it's very rare that I come across men like

Natalie (Seattle)that that I really respect. Are there anything looks wise like he's got to be Yeah. I've got to be attracted to him. But I think that changes. Okay. I think that totally changes. I also think that that's so fleeting. Oh my gosh. Like I

Natalie (Seattle)mean, if I'm going to choose dating a guy who's 6 foot over maybe his character, I think that that's incredibly stupid and I'm probably not ready for marriage. So, I mean, it's like I think that I'd rather much rather

Natalie (Seattle)choose man's character over the way he looks when I'm approaching trouble with our kids, when I'm approaching trouble in our finances and the things that we're going to experience on this earth. and his 6- foot brown hair, blue-eyed

Natalie (Seattle)look is really not going to hold up when we're under the weight of the world. And so, I'm going to marry character over that any day of the week. But I also think it's tough because you do need to be attracted. God wants us to be attracted to our partners. Like, it's going to be hard to have a nice sex life

Andrew Wilsonwhen you're, you know, like, woof, I don't know if I, you know, it's hard to reproduce with people you don't want to have sex with. Totally. I get it. They can feel it, too. That makes sense, right? It makes sense. It's hard to reproduce with people you don't want to have sex with.

Andrew Wilsonis a fundamental part of relationship dynamics. I'm not disputing that that's the case. But here's the thing, right? If it is the case that a lot of women um if they if they want to have those

Andrew Wilsonresources for families when they're younger, it used to be very common place for women who are in their 20s, early 20s to marry men who are in their 30s. Men in their 30s still very attractive and h end up having a lot more

Andrew Wilsonresources, things like this. But what's happened is a modern phenomenon is women get really upset about the idea of age gaps. They get super pissed about it and it's because they I'm not

Andrew WilsonYeah. I was always chasing the age when I was younger. So I understand they get upset about it because it's competition for within their age tier, right? There's always a younger, more beautiful woman. So they get mad about

Andrew Wilsonthat [ __ ] right? But one thing you could do inside of the tier men, you know, if you're looking for that now and you think that women men in their 20s are just playboy is look for men in their 30s who are more grounded and established. Those guys probably will do

Andrew Wilsona lot more take care of you, much more ready to settle down. And you know, here's the thing. This may be uh shocking, but as it turns out, men in their 30s really really like to have sex

Andrew Wilsonwith young hot women. Isn't that crazy? Right? And they also enjoy marrying them. So, it's like it's not it's not crazy for women to be seeking outside of that age bracket. Okay, we have a a

SPEAKER_04couple uh chats we need to uh get to. We have You missed her. She was asking a question. Oh, sorry. My one concern with the age gap, and I know this is weird, but simply put, I don't want a man who's been promiscuous in the past, and I feel

SPEAKER_04like that happens a lot with the age gap. And I also don't want a man that's going to die a lot sooner than me because when I'm 80, I need someone to still protect me. Yeah. But the but but the age gap argument nobody is saying

Andrew Wilsonyou need sons are for that's what you have sons for. So the thing is is like that's and by the way again the church has looked at this problem every which way. When I say the church I mean the Orthodox church. Here's the truth. The

Andrew Wilsontruth is is that you're making what's called deferment. It is true that those men may die uh before you die. Right? Perhaps even 20 years before. But you have sons. Your sons are going to protect you. By the way, the the old

Andrew Wilsonsaying goes, even bad men love their mamas. That means that even if it is the case that uh that you raise hooligan sons, even they, you know what I mean, ain't going to let nothing happen to mama. That's the way that that works.

Andrew WilsonYou can't count on having sons. The second thing, what's that? You can't count on having sons though. Like that's not like that's not a guarantee. Yeah. If you have if you're a person who plans on having five, six children, right? If

Andrew Wilsonyou get started young, I think that you being able to count on having a son or two is pretty high. It's significantly high. But let's just say that you don't. You still have brothers, you still have cousins, you still have other members of family, those people will also step in

Andrew Wilsonfor that protectorate role. If your husband dies early, also matrons in society have less to fear in that regard. If if they they if your daughters, for instance, they're married now, you have uh uh sons-in-law, they're

Andrew Wilsonalso going to help out mother-in-law, right? The idea here is that you're creating a a grounded foundation for family. That's the whole point. And so it's like it seems absurd to me because the other thing is you can defer

Andrew Wilsonresources. So you can make the argument he could he'll be a father for less time. By the time kids are 18, you've spent 90% of all the time you're ever going to spend with him. 90% of the time. So if that's the case, then that means you're just deferring resources

Andrew Wilsonand saying, "But they could also give them a way better life within the confines of those 18 years." Can you address the promiscuity thing I said though? Because I do not want a man who is promiscuous. Yeah, men shouldn't be promiscuous. Yeah, that's true. But here's the thing, and I'm just going to

Andrew Wilsonbe blunt with you. Most women care far less about former male promiscuity than men care about women's No, I I agree with that. I agree with that. There there's a n and here's the reason for

Andrew Wilsonthat. The reason for that is based around uh knowing who your offspring is. So for women, the virtue of chastity and the reason so ingrained in men is because we before there was paternity

Andrew Wilsontests which were a recent advent, we needed to know who who was having our children, right? If they were sleeping with multiple men, you didn't know if it was your child or not. And so that's why we're hardwired against it. We loathe

Andrew Wilsonit. We think it's gross. We you know the the whole nine yards. However, the phenomenon is the opposite. Often times women, if a man is a virgin in their 30s, will think he's weird or sick or

Andrew Wilsonhas a problem or he's a red flag because why won't women sleep with him if he's in his 30s and is staying a virgin. There's actually incentives in society for men to sleep with women um that

Andrew Wilsonaren't uh aren't there in reverse except for the peer pressure of women. So, I think it's it's actually uh I I wouldn't look this just my opinion, but I wouldn't look at the virtue of the man

Andrew Wilsonhaving slept with a with um you know, I don't know, like five, six, seven uh former women even. Uh I think that uh that's going to ultimately be less important in that dynamic than in the

Brian Atlasopposition. I know that sounds counterintuitive how you think about it, though. No, I agree with you. Okay. Oh, wait. Just to be clear, are so uh you're you're a virgin, right? Me?

SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm a virgin. And so, are you wanting only to date a guy who's a virgin or? It would be preferable. And typically members in my church do wait for marriage, but if it if I meet the

SPEAKER_04right guy, um standards change and stuff based off of the person, based off of their virtues and everything. Just Got it. Yeah. I mean, I think with the age gap thing, it's not I I don't think when

Brian Atlasit comes to age gaps, the argument there isn't if you're a young woman, you should or have to date older men. It's

Brian Atlasjust more so countering like, oh, this is predatory on the man's part to want to date a younger adult woman, okay? Or explaining reasons for it. But did you think it was weird? I had a 62-year-old

SPEAKER_04swipe up on me on a dating app. Would you think that's weird? Just wondering 16 swiping on you on a dating app. I mean Yeah. Yeah. And you're How old are you? You're 21. I'm 21. That's normal. I

Brian Atlasmean, it's a big It's a big age gap. I don't think that that's uh I don't think it's weird that he's attracted attracted to you. I I don't think it's weird that he's attracted to

Brian Atlasyou, but like the likelihood that you're going to be attracted to him or that that's like if you want to date him, I don't have a problem with it. But probably trying to give it a shot. He

Andrew Wilsonprobably tried gap. It's a big It's a big age gap. I mean, I was just wondering where the line is to chair for. There was something else that came to mind as I was kind of replaying our conversation in my head here when you said that

Andrew Wilsonyou're a member of a non-denominational church. So, I went and pulled up some stats. I have the advantage of doing that. Try not to when we were discussing because you guys don't have that same advantage, but I did want to pull this up. It does turn out that it looks like

Andrew Wilsonuh non-denominational churches are about 70% female. 70%. Oh, really? So, here's a suggestion. Take it under adisement or not. Find yourself an Orthodox church,

Andrew Wilsonan Orthodox Christian church, because those actually are lopsided the other way. 55% men. 55% men and join one of those. And then you can convert to true Christianity and probably find a

Andrew Wilsonsuperbased husband. Just a just a suggestion. You can also look at my my church if you want. Oh boy. Or just make non-denominational churches less feminine and Oh, there there you go.

Andrew WilsonYeah. Yeah. But you really can't because um the idea and this would get into a whole thing. So I'll just make it very quick. But the the entire idea of Christianity and modernity in Western

Andrew Wilsonnations folds in unfortunately with egalitarianism and women try to mold the idea of equality and egalitarianism into the patriarchal religion of Christianity. It is a patriarchal

Andrew Wilsonreligion. Has always been a patriarchal religion. We worship a man, right? Well, God incarnated as a man. So, uh, we don't worship a man. That was a bad tone of words, but you you understand what I

Andrew Wilsonmean, right? From the top down, Christ is the head of the patriarchy. And your priests always going to be male. Non-denominational church even allow women to be priests or preachers or

Andrew Wilsonwhatever it is that they're called within those confines. It's an assault patriarchal nation. Yeah. Right. But it's an assault on the patriarchal na uh nature of Christianity itself. It's a patriarchal religion. Oh yeah. No,

SPEAKER_04that's why I agree that there are issues with certain churches that identify as non-denominational but are very unbiblical and just catering to what makes people feel good, which is

Brian Atlaseverything the Bible says not to do. So, no, I agree on that. All right. Uh got a couple chats here. We have fan. I am Abigail. Can you read these? Are you able to see it or no? Let me see. Uh

Brian Atlasyeah. All right, that here. I'll just do it. Obedience, obeying when you want to or like what's asked of you. Submission, obeying when you don't want to or don't like what's asked of you. Wait,

Brian Atlasobedience, obeying when you want to or like what's asked of you. Submission, obeying when you don't want to or don't like what's asked of you. Oh, okay. That's an interesting distinction.

Brian AtlasUm, thank you, Fenim, for that message. Really appreciate it, man. If you guys want to get your own message in, it is Reed is 100, TTS is 200. And then let me actually do some Venmo. Uh, we just have

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Brian Atlashave Clitch Hitchfield. Ask all the girls, is it possible to be pro-choice and still believe abortion ends a human life?

SPEAKER_04No, I don't get it. Pro-choice and believe uh is it possible to be like like essentially there are pro-choicers that will acknowledge that it's biologically a human life, but they'll

SPEAKER_04think because it's not a certain stage of development or it's not born yet that you can still kill them. So I I kind of So I actually looked this up in cuz I'm I'm pretty spiritual. I'm into

SPEAKER_04spirituality and I looked this up and I was like I'm about the mother's choice. some about the mother's life and you know I don't want her to have like a coat hanger abortion like for sure like

SPEAKER_04that's not okay if she really needs one okay get one but I'm going to sit here and say I don't know the repercussions of that repercussions of what I don't

SPEAKER_04know the repercussions uh spiritually of a woman getting an abortion but I would say like you know if she wants to if she needs to if it's if it's in her cards to do I'm sorry to interrupt we have to be

Brian Atlasfair to the super chat Oh, I'm sorry. I don't think you're directly answering it. Um, is it possible to be pro-choice and still believe abortion ends a human life? Well, I think this is a more

Brian Atlasconservativeleaning panel. I think most of the panel here is probably pro-life, perhaps with the exception of you and are you pro-choice? I am pro. Okay. Uh, so is it possible to be pro-choice and

SPEAKER_04still believe abortion ends a human life? It's possible. I think it's possible. It's possible, but it's very Yeah. I mean, there's like pro-choicers who are like, "Yeah, I know it's they're like stoked on that." They're like, "I

Abigail (Married)know it's killing a baby. I'm cool. That's [ __ ] up." But I think the whole they'll make it seem like it's not a human life and that's their cope is to

Abigail (Married)make abortion okay is because it's not a human. So, yeah, it's possible, but I don't think it's moral. I think the abortion industry dehumanizes babies so much nowadays and stuff. It's just

Brian Atlasdisgusting. Well, Lydia, we have a video from you that we're going to react to a little bit later on in the show uh relate I think it is related to abortion, right? I don't I don't know. I have Well, you have a lot of videos, so

Brian Atlasbut uh I know we're going to pull that up. We have some super chats coming in. We have Baz Peek. Hey, Baz, thank you so much for the Australian 200, man. Appreciate it. First time donor. Love the show. I'm 27. My wife and I are not

Brian Atlasreligious in the slightest. And if I got home from work and told my wife we're moving, she wouldn't even think to question why. Seems my wife has a better understanding of submission and trust

SPEAKER_04than these so-called Christians. Okay, that's from Baz. Does anybody you I don't know who that's anybody want to respond? Well, I mean, you should trust your husband number one. So, I mean, if

Brian Atlasif you're questioning anything that your husband is deciding for both of you, then there's probably an issue within. Okay. All right. Uh let's see here. We

Brian Atlashave uh Rachel Wilson. Uh Rachel gets super chat privileges, but just for anybody else, the uh the threshold's 100, but Rachel gets special privileges. Uh we have multiple large scale studies

Brian Atlasand lots of data from all around the world showing that the number one correlate to declining birth rates in every culture is women's access to higher education. Sorry, but it's true.

Brian AtlasI see I see Andrew shaking his head there. agrees with his wife. Uh, thank you Rachel for the uh, super chat. Really appreciate it. Uh, we have Steve. See, I told her to pull those

Brian Atlasstats up and she obeyed and submitted like a good wife. It's great. Obeyed and submitted and based based. Uh, all right. We have uh, long live liberty. Thank for the membership. I missed the

Brian Atlasother one who came up, but thank you. We have Steve Charles. In war, men protect what women replenish their civilization. neglect either duty and civilization declines. If women don't keep up

Brian Atlasreplacement rates, why should men fight and die for a declining civilization? That's from our our Australian friend Steve Charles. Thank you so much for the uh super chat, man. Appreciate it. And

Brian Atlasuh I I'm curious how far you can how far you take that though. Uh because I think people agree with that. But men have

Brian Atlashave a uh the state can dictate to men, okay, uh we don't care about your bodily autonomy. We're going to ship you off and you're going to go to war and we're going to put you in the front lines and if you try to like run away, you go

Brian Atlasawall. We're going to capture you and then you're going to be uh tried for treason or uh what is it? What what's the specific military term for uh retreat? Like I knew of That's not

Brian Atlasretreat. No. Uh what is it? Uh what's what's the military term for uh it's not awall. It's uh

Brian AtlasI don't know whatever. Uh yeah, you you're going to be court marshaled. You're going to maybe I think in wartime I think if you uh flee the battle or whatever, they're just going to kill

Brian Atlasyou. Your your own side's going to just kill you. Discharge. Discharge. It's not discharge. Um my neighbor did that when I was young. He ran from his platoon and

SPEAKER_04he I don't know he got dishonorably discharged and then he went to prison. Yeah. Um but so the government can draft

Brian Atlasmen to war. What do you guys think about drafting women to have children? What do you think about that? Is that fair fair proposition? No. Because we we want children to be

SPEAKER_04born into families that are willing to be responsible for a child that are willing to be good parents. Men don't want to go and die in some trench in the French cow country. Okay. But there's

SPEAKER_04also a child you have to consider in this situation. It's not just about um what people want. There's a child. There's there's a child involved and we want the wellbeing of that child to be taken into consideration. I also don't

Natalie (Seattle)recall God I mean God ever comparing childbearing to war men being enlisted in war in the Bible. Sorry, what? Like I don't recall women bearing a child

Andrew Wilsoncompared to men listing in the war in the Bible. Are are you saying war less bad than giving birth or I'm just Well, actually it is. Um so the idea of women being saved through child birth is

Andrew Wilsonmentioned many many many times that that's one of the primary pathways to salvation for women. which gives it a moral autonomy in society. Also, I'm not really interested on this particular

Brian Atlastopic. I'm not making a religious argument because uh the United States in every single country in the world compels males only to be conscripted in

Brian Atlastimes of war. So, it's not even a biblical or theological or religious argument. I I agree with you. I was just I was just responding. Oh, I'm not directing that at you, Andrew. I'm

Andrew Wilsondirecting it at her. Uh that's 1 Timothy 2:15 by the way. Yet she will be saved through childbearing. They continue in faith, love, and holiness. Yeah. For example, moral of duty. You could have a secular

Brian Atlasgovernment that only and this is the case for almost every single nation with the exception of less than a handful. Uh men are

SPEAKER_04compelled by force in times of war drafted. There's no corresponding like we're going to force women to do this. Are are okay. Low key this sounds like the

Brian Atlashandmmaid's tail. Um are are you saying we're forcefully impregnating women? Is that what that would like? How ounce are I'm not I'm not okay. I'm not doing a prescriptive claim. I'm speaking

Brian Atlasdescriptively. I'm talking about what is not what should be. I don't think women should be forced to. But it is an interesting thought experiment to be like okay well if the government can

Brian Atlasforce men to you know go to uh you know go somewhere European theater during World War II Europe European theater theater during World War I and die in

Brian Atlassome trench and being bombarded with shells and for months on end and suffer uh extreme PTSD. This kind of ties into our previous conversation with duties. So men have duties to the point where

Brian Atlasthey can be forced to go to war for their country. And we can talk about well women's duties are this, but it's not state compelled. Whereas men's duties are state compelled through

Brian Atlasforce. Nobody points a gun at a woman's head and says in in a time of war where in order here I can frame it this way. Well, to finish my sentence, women, there's no com uh nothing that compels

Brian Atlaswomen from the state down that says, "Okay, you need to go have kids. You need to produce kids." Nothing like that. Let's say, for example, not even that it would be a good

Andrew Wilsonidea, you know, like think about it from even the military side. C like you guys remember growing up with the army commercials. Like they would even put the army commercials in kids shows,

Andrew Wilsonright? thinking that this would assist with the psychological indoctrination for later, you know what I mean? And they had the cool music and, you know, they uh they would have these cool slogans like army of one, you know what

Andrew WilsonI mean? Uh you know, things like that. All of that was indoctrination from the top down in order to get men to fulfill a social duty for the protection of the nation. Same thing, you know, but

Andrew Wilsonthere's no equivalent of that uh even through propaganda for women. And and that's that's kind of Brian's main point here. So then are you are you both saying that men should not be legally

Andrew Wilsonobligated to fight in wars? Well, I think I think that the draft is necessary. Um and I think that there's all all sorts of compelling reasons I can give. I now this is one of my most

Andrew Wilsonunpopular positions that I think that the the draft is necessary. Um and that there can be great times where you need huge amounts of conscripts to defend the nation and that there is a social obligation for men to do that. The

Andrew Wilsonreason men resist that now is because they don't feel like women are living up to the same obligations that they are compelled to have to move towards and so they don't want the draft anymore. Women can't be drafted, right? There's all

Andrew Wilsonsorts of double standards for women. Women, for instance, sports reporters, I was talking about this earlier today. They can go into men's locker rooms and they fought for the right to go into men's locker rooms to interview them.

Andrew WilsonMen can't go into women's locker rooms and do interviews. Like there's all kinds of crazy double standards which are set uh between the sexes and an egalitarian society can't really have

Andrew Wilsonthat. So it's like if it is the case that you think that women deserve an honored place in society as matrons then they have to fulfill their social obligations like they expect men to do

SPEAKER_04or why why is it that you would have any expectations of men? Why wouldn't men just resist it at every level? That's Brian's point here, right? I actually agree with you a lot on the draft is necessary and stuff. What I

SPEAKER_04think, this is just a thought I've randomly had, is that women shouldn't be allowed to go to college until they're like 28. If the if men are being drafted when women shouldn't be allowed to go to college until they're 28 unless they have kids. It's just a thought I had

SPEAKER_04because if they don't have a career to seek after, then it's a thought. It's a thought. Interesting thought. It's a thought. That's a crazy thought. It's a crazy thought. I speak what I say. I I had to speak what I Yeah, that's okay. I think

Andrew WilsonI think one way that you could take care of this is um you you take the right to vote and you give it to married households instead. One household voting. Oh, that's nice. I think that's a really good idea. I like that idea. One of the reasons that's a good idea is right now in the current state of

Andrew Wilsonvoting, the anti- suffragettes, the ones who were against feminism initially, and it was firstwave feminism that brought in the suffrage movement to say that women should be able to vote, they made it one of the most compelling arguments,

Andrew Wilsonwhich is this will divide household against household. It'll divide husbands against wives. The second women become political pawns of the machine. They will be divided from their husbands. That's exactly what's happened. It read

Andrew Wilsonthe the anti-suffragette arguments read like prophecies now. If you read them now, they read like prophecies. Like it's amazing how accurate each one of those arguments is. Oh, one question. Are indeed divided. And the

Andrew Wilsonanti-suffragettes, wasn't it predominantly women? Correct. That's that's correct. Well, not only that, but what's really interesting is that they

Andrew Wilsonhad to fight so that women couldn't vote on voting because when women voted on their right to vote, they voted against it. And initially, feminists made the bold claim that the reason is because

Andrew Wilsonwomen were too comfortable and their status in society was too good. And it was. They couldn't incur any debt. No debt. They weren't they weren't allowed to incur any debt whatsoever. The husband had to incur the debt. Wow. They

Andrew Wilsonweren't all of these things uh that women were so comfortable in society. They didn't want to be considered political cogs. To give you an idea of how powerful women were in their moral

Andrew Wilsonstances before they became cogs of the voting machine, they passed the 18th amendment which passed before the 19th amendment, which is their right to vote, right? They got the 18th amendment

Andrew Wilsonpassed on just moral grounds because they were considered moral arbiters in society. They were considered the more moral sex because they were not political cogs to be used. And it's like and they gave up all that high ground.

Andrew WilsonIt's just crazy to me. It's like it's like backwards. You know what I mean? It's backwards. We should not be dividing husbands against wives. We don't need to do that. It's not necessary. I would say in Hang on. Chair three.

Andrew WilsonChair chair chair three was giving me the look though. She was giving me the like. Sorry. I have RBF. This crazy [ __ ] guy. this crazy fucker's ideas over here. Do you actually think that women should

Andrew Wilsonnot have the right to vote? Well, actually, I think most people shouldn't have the right to vote, not just women specifically. And here, well, let me make a case and let's see. Maybe I can make a compelling enough argument that I

Andrew Wilsoncan change your mind. Does that sound fair? You can try. So, do you think that you're pretty informed on the issue of abortion? Yes. Do you think that most women at 18 years old are? No. But I

Andrew Wilsondon't think most men are either. Why do you think it's a good idea? Yeah, men either. Exactly. Agreed. Do you think it's a good idea that they can nullify your well-informed vote? That they can what? Nullify your well-informed vote on

SPEAKER_04that issue. I think that everyone should still have the right to use their vote when they are impacted by the government. Why do you hate the founders so much? The founders didn't believe that. I founding fathers not only didn't

Andrew Wilsonbelieve that, but set it up so that that system was not in place. They believe that stakeholders in society themselves should have the right to vote because they were informed on these political issues and had stake in society. And

Andrew Wilsonthat the youth, especially like our founding fathers, would roll over in their graves if they knew that 18year-olds could vote inside of political elections. They would lose their [ __ ] minds. They'd be like, "What are you people doing? Are you

SPEAKER_04insane?" Um, so I mean, why do you why do you disagree with them? Why do you think it's a good idea? Because they're still impacted by the government. that creates the ability for the government to oppress 18y olds. I mean 10 18y olds

SPEAKER_04are 10y olds are 18y olds are impacted by the government. Should they be able to vote? Well, first of all, 10 year olds can't also don't fight wars. But no, I I honestly I mean that is it's a

Andrew Wilsonvalid argument, but no 18 Yeah, it's a valid argument. 18-year-olds can be drafted and they can't buy a beer. They can't buy a [ __ ] beer. They can't rent a car, but they can be drafted. They can't buy a cigarette. They can't rent a car, but they can be drafted and

Andrew Wilsongo off to war. How is this a good system? Like, make a compelling argument back. How is it a good system? I think 18-year-olds are so [ __ ] stupid they shouldn't be able to drink, but but they they're so smart that they should be

SPEAKER_04allowed to have a gun and that they can be compelled and conscripted into military service. How is this a good system again? No, I I honestly I kind of see your point, but I don't think the solution is to take away vote. Honestly,

SPEAKER_04if anything, it would be to ensure voters are well informed before they vote. But no, I think it's a hard thing because there's pros and cons of I don't think it's a good system. I think if we look if we look and here, maybe I can

SPEAKER_04change your mind uh because we found some common ground here. Yes. But your your argument doesn't doesn't say why women shouldn't have the right to vote. It's kind of just saying why 18year-olds are Was my argument that women shouldn't be able to vote? What was my actual

Andrew Wilsonargument? That most people should be able to. Right. Right. Okay. So, how does this relate? Yeah. So, I think that you could do one household voting. I would give the right to vote to married households. I think that that could be a really good idea. Another way that you

Andrew Wilsoncould do is you could raise the raise the age of voting to 30. I think that that would be super helpful. I think that uh there's all sorts of different things that you could do, but it's going to disenfranchise a whole lot of people.

Andrew WilsonAnd I'm just totally fine with that. I don't think everybody needs to be infranchised. I think what's happened is the way politics are set up in the United States, they're set up between blocks and it's which block can be

Andrew Wilsonbribed by the electoral money that lobbyists go in and say, "Look, um we're going to fund you with X dollars uh so that we can pump and dump a bunch of cash, right? A big scam for a voting

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