Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

Date: 2025-04-14

Duration: 8h 02m

Guests

CCaitlyn (Virgin)

LLauren (Brothel)

LLydia (Pro-Life)

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

NNatalie (Seattle)>

AAbigail (Married)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Abigail (Married)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ryder(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Natalie (Seattle)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentAndrew Wilson defends male authority/headship in marriage. Significant pushback.

Key Moment$999 champagne pop from Ogle

Key MomentRyder's TikToks: nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband

ControversyLydia's abortion clinic confrontation video — most contentious segment

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Ryder (abusive ex), Maddie (LDS), Lydia (pro-life), Natalie, Lauren (brothel), Haley (dairy), Caitlyn (virgin), Abigail (married at 19).

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby

Panel reacts to Ashley discussing having Elon Musk baby.

Andrew Wilson Authority in Marriage

Andrew defends Orthodox Christian male headship. Significant pushback.

Ryder TikToks

Nice guy ex and abusive ex-husband TikToks. Ethical debate on posting about exes.

Lydia Abortion Clinic Video

Most contentious segment. Confrontational interaction with clinic staff.

IVF Burning Building Hypothetical

Save 5-year-old or 1,000 embryos? Tests embryo personhood beliefs.

Transcript

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Andrew WilsonThey'll annihilate a guy's entire life on a Tuesday and then go to over to him on a Wednesday like nothing ever happened and that everything should be good and like, "Hey babe, how you doing this and that?" And they're like, "What

Andrew Wilsonthe [ __ ] You just burned my whole house down and ruined my car. Why are you here?" And they're like, "Oh honey, don't worry about," you know what I mean? [ __ ] nutcases. Nutcase. Okay, I

Brian Atlascall me a nutcase. Who here is diagnosed with a mental illness? Me? Raise those hands high. Be proud of your ill your be

SPEAKER_04proud. I am be proud. But I am going in for an re reevaluation. What do you got? What you got? Anxiety and depression. Sweet. Me. Lydia. What you got? I don't

Brian Atlashave anything. I didn't raise my hand. You got a little anxiety? No. OCD? No. Psychopathy? Psychopathy? She said

Brian Atlaspsychopathy. NPD? No. BPD? No. Bipolar? No. None of the above. Antisocial personality disorder? Nope. Anything? Nothing.

Andrew WilsonBipolar? Nothing. Okay. I have everything. Well, hang on. I have one, too. I have been diagnosed by thousands of women who are not psychologists as having narcissist.

SPEAKER_04Yeah, a lot of Yes. I've been called a narcissist. I've been called a narcissist. Uh, okay. So, so you wouldn't date someone who's mentally ill. Wait, so I have a question. I have a question for you,

SPEAKER_04Andrew. So, or not. Or you don't have a question for him. Oh, I have a question for both of y'all. Well, I want to hear that. Both of y'all. Here's my question. My question is this. Do you believe that

SPEAKER_04like someone's life could just be like just tumultuous at some point and they are misdiagnosed by doctors and then all of a sudden like Yeah. There's a there's actually a famous um I can't think of his name off the top of my head. I'm sure Chad will correct me and give me a

Andrew Wilsonmassive L for this. I can't because I can't think of his name, but he calls it problems in living. Yeah. problems in living. He thinks most social forms of anxiety and mental health issues and things like this. He he thinks that the

Andrew Wilsondescriptors are very poor for it and that's why we come up with like [ __ ] like BPD and blah blah blah which are misdiagnosed constantly. Nobody ever cures them of anything. They put them on pills. He says problems in living and

Andrew Wilsonthat with just subtle changes to coping with life itself and getting rid of some people s seem to just kind of stop happening to people. Wasn't that amazing? Yeah. Some people just really

SPEAKER_04drag your life down and once you dispose of them, like they're literally like your life gets better and you're like, "Wow, I'm not mentally ill. I just was surrounded by weirdos." Like, cool. Yes.

Andrew WilsonYeah. Yes. I genuinely feel like that though. Which I feel like if I was surrounded by a bunch of women who acted like you did, I would probably develop a mental.

Brian AtlasThat seems fair. Uh, here. Do we have any more for the gender swap? Do we have anything else for the gender swap next? Oh, okay. Abigail. Oh, I didn't see. Oh.

Abigail (Married)Uh. Oh, man. My husband has raised the bar for my standards cuz he's so attractive. So, I don't think so. I

Brian Atlasdon't look like Sure. him. Next. Oh, it's her. He looks Wait, that looks like a singer. Oh, I thought you were

Andrew Wilsonabout to say Down syndrome. Oh, like One Direction or something. Zen Malik Thomas Saz is his name. You would probably like

Brian Atlashis literature. All right. Next. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Wow. Great screen grab there on like a [ __ ] short bus. Okay. So, a tan version and a and a lighter

Brian Atlasversion. I look special there. When she wakes up and a hot version. Okay. All right. Okay. Andrew looks like a basketball player. Wait, the woman basketball player. What? Which one? The

SPEAKER_04woman I I thought you said you looked like a tall black man. Oh no. A woman a female basketball player. Like it looks like you'd be on the team or something if you Yeah. You hear that, Andrew?

Andrew WilsonYou're on the team. The [ __ ] You're the Andrew, you remind her of a female What? What level is going on here tonight? What? What do you mean look like a female basketball player? Is that how

Andrew Wilsonthey look? I don't know. I'm waiting on your McDonald's watches female basketball so we don't know, right? But if they did, is that what they look like? Well, like Angela Reese. Yes.

Brian AtlasYeah. Angel Reese. Andrew, you are just a you just have a striking resemblance to those female basketball players. Yeah. Put him in. Actually, Andrew, I

Brian Atlasthink you would actually do really well in the WNBA. Like you would you men and women's sports. Got to love it. Um, Natalia, she says, "Bet they'd swipe

Brian Atlasleft on themselves that they were gender swapped on a dating app." Well put, Natalyia. Yeah, I mean that that's kind of the point of this. It's not perfect, but uh I think if we lined up a lot of women, put them next to their male

Brian Atlasequivalent. Uh this doesn't have to be like gender swap. It could just be your male equivalent. I think n like a lot of women would be kind of mortified be like, "Really? That's my that's where I'm at?" I don't know. Uh and then Bunny

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Brian Atlasgoing to post the like scaredycat quit. I don't know. Rage, not a rage quit, but I'm going to post the BTS of that uh on the behind

Brian Atlasthe scenes tab in our Discord. Uh do you have that pulled up? Yeah, it's going to be uh let me hide this really quick. So, yeah, I post I'm going I'mma post the pre-show rage quit. That'll be posted uh

Brian Atlaslater tonight, if not later tonight, tomorrow. So, discord.gg GG/ whatever. Also, guys, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video. And then Stifler says, "Big lady matter." Okay, thank

Brian Atlasyou. All right, like the video, guys, if you're enjoying the stream. So, we need to get into uh the questionnaire really quick. Oops. We're not going to linger too long on that, but let's see. Actually, first, you know what? We have

Brian Atlasa few more things we need to do before the questionnaire. Uh I wanted to do a quick react. Can you tell me what is the next thing? Uh we're actually going to

Brian Atlasskip the Muhammad Ali thing. Um, we're going to do girl reacts. Girl reacts. What is the girl reacts thing? Oh, I

Brian Atlassee. Okay. Can you pull up the uh I think it's an Instagram post from writer. Can you pull that up?

Brian AtlasYeah. Uh F11. F1. That's a pretty writing. I'd like a tattoo like that, but not like that says that. I I saw you posted this and I was just curious since it's a dating podcast. It was just so long ago

Brian Atlasat the time. No, it's okay. BLM black square. Totally get it. I didn't post one. A lot of girls were upset by that. You know what? But I had to, you know, stick to my values. Not going to post black square. If it means I don't get

Rydersome ladies, I'm okay with it. Anyways, uh would you date a police officer? Uh it just like I'm saying, I would if he has like good moral views and they go with my own morals. What if he has at

Ryderleast one incidence of uh police brutality? What the [ __ ] No. That's a crazy question. Yeah, that's [ __ ] that's a [ __ ] no. That's like if you asked me if I would date someone that would be his last girlfriend. There's

Ryderagainst a white person though. Still you it doesn't matter about Yeah. You It's not just like of the color thing. It's the fact of like Yeah. Like no, you're still beating them up wrongfully. Like

Brian Atlasif you got beat up, I would feel bad for you, too. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Uh but Okay. So, you would date a police officer? Yeah. Depending on if his morals go with mine. Yeah. Would you date Derek Schovin? Oh

Brian Atlasmy god. I can't believe I don't even know who that is. I don't know who that is. Like there is there is a push to like get Trump to give him a pardon. Who

Ryderis that? Derek George Floyd with the um the that cop these are some I don't know where these spicy questions are coming from, bro.

Brian AtlasVery spicy. Andrew's the Crucible is loving these questions. Um they love it. Yo, Crucible chat, what's up? They like it, right? Andrew, tell me that tell me your chat are enjoying that crazy

Andrew Wilsonquestions, right? Maybe not. I don't know. They they just they just adore him, bro. They adore him. They just adore them. Um, so would you I said, yeah, if his

Brian Atlasmorals align with mine. Yeah. Yeah. Derek Schovin. Oh, no. No. I said no to that guy. But a cop. Yes. Okay. Would you date a police? Would you date a police officer police police officer?

SPEAKER_04Hello. Sorry, I can't speak English tonight. Yes. Yes. Okay. I can't. Yep. My mom was a police officer, so probably not. No, I would not. It's just a really dangerous

SPEAKER_04field. Okay. Absolutely. Those uniforms are nice. All right. If there's any police officers watching who can deal with the bipolar ostism stuff, you know, just

SPEAKER_04message me. I love police officers. I just, you know, I've seen firsthand and I've I've had experience. So, all right. Okay. Yeah. All right. I feel like um a lot of police officers

Ryderout there have dodged a lot of bullets this evening. Literally or hypothetically? I'm not a mullet. I'm a bazooka. I'm avo. What the [ __ ] Bazooka.

Brian AtlasOkay. Uh like a All right. Uh what? Oh, the next react. Oh, you got some Tik Toks. We got to react to her Tik Toks. All right, guys. We got some Tik Toks from here. All right. She posts some

Ryderdating related Tik Toks. I do this. Okay. Number one, the internet is just the internet. Like I don't It's not like it's like my I don't put my personal views all the time on the internet. It's

Ryderall It's like rare. It's for shits and giggles. He he haha. That's it. But go ahead. Run them back and I can actually show you some pretty good

SPEAKER_10ones. So, okay. Uh, pull it up. All right. Play. Oh my god. Oh, I'm never leaving. Wait, just pause it. I am never uh when he

Brian Atlascooks me a meal, washes the dishes after, puts everything away, cleans his mess, does his own Wait, you read it. You just read it. Okay. Does his own laundry, doesn't expect me to pay for anything, gets me tight tea every day, and lets me boss him around, rubs my

Brian Atlasfeet, my back, and won't let me go a day without getting my eight. What are you there for? Watch. What? Pull it up one more time. Okay. What? Cooks for you a meal. washes the dishes,

Brian Atlasputs everything away, cleans his mess, does his own laundry. He has to pay for everything, gets you tea every day. You get to boss him around. He rubs your

Brian Atlasfeet after you've been bartending for Actually, I wasn't working. He allowed me not to work. Okay, thank you for clarifying that point. But see, this was all his like thing that he liked to do every day. He's got to eat the [ __ ]

RyderOkay. He But he wanted to. He would ask. He would ask all of these things. I would try to cook. I would try to cook and I would cook some days and you would get mad. Just really really quick

Brian Atlasthough. Wait, just just really quick. Really quick one sec. No, no, that's the that's the ex I actually just broke up with. One sec. Okay, hold on. Oh, no, man. That sounds like And then hold on.

Andrew WilsonI got to play my other noises. Oh, [ __ ] How these rooms? Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, you're you're not with him anymore, are you? Yeah. No, no, no. Like I'm saying, um, yeah, he didn't die tea

Ryderand he [ __ ] rubbed your feet and he did all the eats and he did all the [ __ ] you wanted in your nut. But he also didn't allow me to do anything for him. Like he wanted me to be like that. So And you left? Yeah. And Well, I left

Andrew Wilsonbecause I don't think you could respect a man like that. I just I biologically I don't think you could. So hang on. So to get this right, the nicest guy in the world, you [ __ ] left him. So I left

Ryderhim because we were just It was amicable. bit more like [ __ ] right? No, no, no, no, no. I I loved it. I loved it. I loved everything that he did for me and I'm grateful. And he was a good man. And so why did you leave him again?

RyderUh it was like an amical thing. Like we were fighting because uh he truly felt like he wanted to make more money. And uh I I feel like how men feel like when they aren't like are not making money

Ryderlike how they used to, especially when they're used to making a certain amount of money. um they start to get tend to get a little mean. And uh I am a sensitive person. Like I don't like to be yelled at. So when he kind of was

Ryderyelling at me, I was like, "You've never yelled at me before." So maybe we're out of love. Maybe we're out of touch. And he just needed time. I needed time. And we kept like it was just one of those things that I was like, "You know what?

RyderNah." So we just like I'm saying it's just the thing of like he cho he brought it up of the like do you think we need time to just be ourselves? I could build

Rydermy life. Da da da. And that was it. Like, and I mean, great man. He bought me a car. He paid for my apartment. Like, great man. Great man. Love him. All respect to him and all power to him

Ryderwherever he is with his life. Love. He did all that and left you. Uh, no. Like I'm saying, it's just like I believe if you're fighting constantly in a relationship, there's just something there that it's just either resentment

Ryderor underlying going and getting you Tai tea every day and doing all the No, no, no. Not necessarily that, but like of course not that. It had to be something else besides that. No. Yeah, cuz he told me. Well, it came out of his mouth and

Ryderthat's what he said. So, I'm going to take what his word is because that's what you're going to tell me. Like I I respected it enough that I was like, "Okay, if that's what you say so cool.

RyderAll right." Like, do your business. Go ahead. Build your life, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think it's interesting. Every single time I see these Tik Toks and women are like, "My

Andrew Wilsonman does all the laundry and he does all the dishes and he does all the housework and he sexually satisfies me and he's so great." Next time, the very next time I talk to him, like, "So, you guys still together?" Nope. I'm like, "Wow." I was

Ryderlike, "Yeah, you're always ecstatic." You were static in this video. You were like, "Oh my god, this is so great." Not with Yeah. And that was like I think I posted that in like 2021. So, like we were just getting together and like and

Ryderthat's what I was saying like he didn't want me to lift a finger. He truly believed like I'm a woman. I'm dainty. Yes, I can. I have to cook. I have to clean. But he truly found he liked cooking and cleaning. He would would

Ryderalways say it would calm him down. So, I I was like, "Okay, if that's your way of calming down, like I'll let you cuz Was he doing drugs?" No. No.

Andrew WilsonYeah. I'm like, "No, no, no. I wasn't expecting that. Okay. I mean, that's that's really all I had on it. It's just uh it's just I just find it ironic, you know, like I can't

Andrew Wilsonfalsify it because um there's like there's no way to falsify. But uh you know the claim that no no it was different reasons other than this

Andrew Wilsonthat sour, but ultimately all I can do is draw a link all of the various relationships where women are ecstatic because the man is a domesticated

Andrew Wilsonhousewife essentially and then the next time you talk to him, the relationship's over. In fact, there was recently on whatever Candace, remember Candace Brian

Andrew Wilsonhad her little like uh list? She had her little like list, you get [ __ ] if you [ __ ] take out the garbage twice a week or whatever it is. Oh, chore play. Chore play. Yeah. Yeah. Chore play. Yeah, chore play. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

Brian AtlasAnd didn't wasn't there a recent divorce announced there? Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure. Aren't they divorcing or something? Somebody I I got a bunch of DMs. I got a bunch of DMs from people saying, "Yeah, they're

Andrew Wilsongetting divorced." So, damn. Or he initi he initiated the divorce, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, he initiated it. I guess he was tired of having to take out three bags of trash for a [ __ ] I

Brian Atlasguess he was pretty tired of it. Yeah. Uh, let's see here. We have Pull Pull that same one up again, though. The the Tik

Brian AtlasTok, guys. Like the video if you're enjoying the stream. Like the video. Uh, pull it up. Well, I had purple hair. Damn. You should have had purple hair tonight. No,

Brian Atlasmy hair doesn't grow no more, so I can't bleach it if I do that, you know. RIP. Uh, damn. This is a lot, though. Like, I got to play the I'm just going to play it again. Hold on. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Brian AtlasNo, man. That sounds like a lot of work. Oh, [ __ ] Hold these rules. Uh, would you uh What if a guy didn't even do that

Brian Atlasever, though? The last part. The last part. He just didn't just never. But would he expect me to give him a [ __ ] Sure. Why not? Then then no, I wouldn't. I would. I'd be like, what if he didn't

Ryderthough? What if he was like, fine, whatever. You don't have to do it, but I'm not doing it. I'd be like, I guess it's not like a deal breaker. If the motion in the ocean is great, then I

Brian Atlasguess, you know, that's fine. Um, next. Let's do the next uh Tik Tok. We got two more. Two more from her. Oh

Brian Atlasboy. This one's even This one's a good one, I think. Maybe. Which one? Uh, go to the videos tab for this one. This angle. Uh, play.

RyderOh my god, I thought you were married. What happened? Would cheat on me. Would spend $300 in porn every month. Would steal from me. Would use the money that he stole

Ryderfrom me to go to Mexico and go buy Xans. When he was in Mexico, he slept with his best friend, which was a man. Oh my god. Beat the [ __ ] out of me. Crash two of my

Rydercars. Would try to invite girls over to my house. Would steal my underwear that was used and sell it online. Avoided signing divorce

Ryderpapers. Avoided signing divorce papers so much that he himself Yikes. Oh my god. left me a note at the end of it saying that it was my fault because I got into

Brian Atlasa new relationship. Please, please, please. Wow. Um, besides just like the daggers in my ears from all the sound effects. Um, do you like that? It was like yours.

Brian AtlasIt was It was good. It was good, you know. But, uh, yeah. Uh, wow. You've had a lot of interesting And I was only 18 at the time. Whoa. Wait. Huh? I was only

Brian Atlas18 at the time. All All that. Wait, is that one dude or that's different dudes? That's the Well, no. No. This was Wait, that's that was all those things you listed. That was one guy. That was one guy. That was the one you were in like

Ryderthe sevenyear relationship with. Yeah. You stuck around that long. Was he like your first? I never found out. It was so manipulative because uh number one like uh my parents were very like you can't have social media blah blah blah. So I

Rydernever really got social media and I never thought really to the thought of like oh I need to go through my cuz like I'm saying I'm if I'm getting with someone I'm going to trust them to the all ends and yeah to the all ends and

Ryderall death you know so I'm going to trust him. So the day I finally went through the phone after years I was like cuz I I believe I'm not a phone going througher

Ryderlike I guess cuz I just it's not my business like whatever is in your phone is in your phone. M um yeah I wish I didn't you know No hang on how long were you with that guy? Seven seven years.

RyderOkay. And then the guy who did all the tai tea and [ __ ] I met him right after. Actually when I was with him he decided my ex-husband decided to himself. Oh

Andrew Wilsonyeah. Wait exhusband. Oh yeah. Yeah. We were married. Oh okay. Yeah. Yeah. No I get it. I get it. But the tight the the guy who did all the like fetching your tea and whatever the [ __ ] you wanted and

Ryderate the pee and everything. How long were you with that guy? Yeah. What about How long were you with that guy? Uh since 2021. So we just broke things off cuz we've been uh on and off for so long that we

Andrew Wilsonjust broke things off and I was like, "Dude, live your life." So like uh four and a half years roughly. Yeah, roughly. Four years. Yeah. Yeah. So you were with the guy who treated you like absolute [ __ ] for way longer than the guy who did everything he wanted. Yeah, but it was

Ryderalso like okay I started dating him in high school and well yeah like high school and he was also two years older than me and yeah so then uh like I'm saying I if I date someone I'm assuming

Ryderthey're a good person and I don't need to go through their phone because and and that's this was what was crazy and that's where I kind of want to say like he kind of gave Christians like a bad name because he would always be like the

RyderLord made me cheat like and I'd be like no you went out there and you did it like you chose to do that. There's no one in your ear telling you you need to be lustful towards a bunch of like to a

Ryderbunch of women, let alone to something that isn't even like So, I just was like, you know what? So, then uh yeah, I tried uh leaving him obviously. And then, uh I met the the dude, the nice

Ryderdude, you know, shout out to real X. I met the nice dude and then uh he didn't want to divorce me and I kept giving him papers like I would you know you have to pay someone to give your your divorce

Ryderpapers cuz you can't serve them yourself and uh I swear to God I want to say I spent like $800 in people just going to serve in papers and he would never do it and it was just like if you treated me

Ryderlike this for so long and it sucked too because I was finally like making a name for myself and I kind of had like my own money you know like I just just finished Cool. So, it was like if something

Ryderhappens like he could take me for 50% of whatever the hell I have because I'm working so hard now and he became a bum. Not to say he did become a bum like afterwards, but he did. Like, so it's

Ryderlike I truly believe like you shouldn't do that like and whether you're a man or a female and you decide to do that like and you try to just take the easy way out and be like, "Well, I'm going take

Ryder50%." Like, I worked for that. Like I made sure I had that and you made sure you had that. And we were when we split up, it's not like I was like, "Oh yeah, I want the car. I want this. I want that." No, I literally was like, "I just

Ryderwant you to leave me alone." Like that was all You didn't have [ __ ] to split up anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So that was it.

Brian AtlasAll right, let's do the last Tik Tok. Thank you for Thank you for sharing that. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna overshare. Open book. Open book. Uh, let's do the next

Brian Atlasone. And then video tab for this one. Oh, I think uh maybe mute the audio on this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's just music, right? Yeah. All right. All

Brian Atlasright. Go ahead. Play. What the [ __ ] All right. Me trying to figure out why I'm single even though I'm pretty. This is the girl. This is my ex. This is the one that never wanted to leave me alone. Here. Go back. Go back. Here. We're just

Rydergoing to have Wait. Uh, pause it right here. Read it. I'm going to have you read the tweets. Uh, it's text, but or text, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Remember, you wrote this, right? The blue is you. Yeah, the blue

Ryderis me. Yeah. Yeah. I was also 19 when I was sending these. Switch to window. This is mean and I shouldn't be doing this, but but yeah. No, but here, just

Brian Atlasfor now, just read it. I hope when she slurps you, she tastes me. What the [ __ ] Go play it. [ __ ] gross, dude. Next or hit play, then be prepared to

Ryderpause. Okay, read this. I told you to calm down and let your [ __ ] anger go because it's the fact that you [ __ ] someone's whole couple months up with your bad mouth and you want them to be

Ryderthere for you. You must be [ __ ] crazy. He went to my job, background that he went to my job and he tried saying that I was on drugs and everything and I was just like, were you on drugs? No, I was not. I ended up having Yeah. But I was going into

Brian Atlascriminology, so it was like, that's a bad rep. You were going You were going to criminology of like, you definitely weren't doing drugs. Yeah. Like, come on. Next. Go ahead. Okay. Uh, pause it again. You knew the agreement. Don't

Ryderplay. Don't play me. Talk to me when you're ready to stop wasting my time. I'm done with your victim [ __ ] He was trying to say that. You know, exactly. Next. Remember your search for me and any girl

Ryderyou meet. He would say that though because every time he would cheat, he'd be like, "You're you're better." But I would read this. I personally feel like nothing's ever going to work out and we're never and we're not good for each other and I just don't ever want to be

Ryderwith you. Why did you post this? Like what was the benefit? Would you ever be with a man who now who spoke to you the way you were speaking to him? No, but that's also like when you're 19

Ryderand 18, I feel like you hear so many crazy things and especially like if you've never been cheated on before, you don't know the type of like adrenaline is going in your body to just find that out. Like, so I feel like and especially

Ryderif you've never been cheated on, you really can't speak on it because my body was trembling. Like I couldn't think about it. And then like I said, was it literally shaking? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How they were saying the girl was? I was probably 10 times more than that. And

Ryderthen There wasn't even like you could lie and be like I didn't cheat. She's pregnant. Why are you using my table? Sorry. Sorry. But she was pregnant so you couldn't even say followup question. Would you ever speak to somebody? Not

Ryderfollow Okay. All right. Followup question. Would I ever speak to somebody like that now? No. Never. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Growth. Growth. Growth. Okay. Do Do you want to ask it though? Cuz that was Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh here we're

Brian Atlasgoing to move to Lydia. Uh pull up Lydia's Instagram post. God. Sorry. Ratchet. I was I was only 19. All right. Uh let's

SPEAKER_04go to video tab one. I was never thinking uh let's go ahead and lay out and I was not let me tell you that that year. I was looking to have an abortion. How about I'm 34 right now. My boyfriend

SPEAKER_12is kind of out of the picture now. So I don't really have any support. It's a 4 to 5 day procedure. A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the fetal heart. Lidocaine is injected and that will completely numb the fetus. After

SPEAKER_12that we inject a medication called deoxin and another medication called KCL which will slow and then stop the fetal heartbeat and then we'll give you a medication called misoprosttol. Misoprosttol will sort of induce

SPEAKER_12contraction will assist you in sort of pushing in the induction and then remove all of the products of conception. You're definitely going to feel discomfort and cramping. I've never

SPEAKER_12heard ever said during we specialize in later trimester care. Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing and he's very good. So I'm not like a rare situation. Y'all help women this late in

SPEAKER_04pregnancy all the time. All the time. Can I help you? I am looking. You can pause it. The product is crazy. They called the baby the product. For the pro-choicers here, do you guys

Rydersupport late term abortion? Uh late term? No. Unless like it's something crazy like the like the mom is going to die. But in reality, I truly feel like you should check. Wait, can you just

SPEAKER_04scoot into the procedure to save a woman's life in that late in pregnancy is a preterm delivery. So they don't have to directly see then that's it. Yeah. But I don't support late term. Late term. Yeah. No, late term. No, that's when do you think it should be

SPEAKER_04legal? Uh I feel like as soon as you find out and right away. What if you don't find out though? Cuz there's crypt cryptic pregnancies. What if you don't find out until birth? Like

SPEAKER_04right, you're giving birth. Yeah. Can you peel the baby as it should? Yeah, it's too late. After a certain amount of weeks, what's the what is like Yeah. What's the actual thingy? I'm not too versed on it, but I know that there's

SPEAKER_04like they say you shouldn't do it. I know that there's a development state and yeah, it's like a couple maybe like couple months. I'm not quite sure, but I

SPEAKER_04just know that there was a certain 25 weeks I believe it is for for what that the fetus can live outside. Oh, 21 weeks is when they can live outside the womb.

SPEAKER_04So would you say that that's when you think uh pro probably before that before it could if it can live outside then just have it you know like and then give it you know to adoption but but it's

Ryderyeah if it if it can live outside just give it a life and then you know do that but if it can't then you know it's early enough. Wait I have a question Lydia. Okay. So, since you're like pro like life and everything, do you like go to

Ryderthe foster homes and like help out or like do you go to like the like the kids that have been like born with like drugs, like drug abused parents and like do you like at least do that type of charity work too? So, I actually was pro-choice and became pro-life because

SPEAKER_04of my foster sister because pro-choicers would tell me that she's better off aborted. And so, I became pro-life in high school, realized that um abortion is eliminating foster children instead of helping them. Um, and yeah, a lot of

SPEAKER_04our pro-life laws actually work to fund and fix the foster care system, help pregnancy centers, um, my pro-life law in North Carolina gave millions of dollars towards those things. So, we do care. Um, but for the record, um,

Andrew Wilsonabortion is the leading cause of death in the history of the world. So, it's my greatest focus um, in my work. Um, but by the way, that's uh, that's good work. Like, that's good work that you're

Andrew Wilsondoing. Um and uh I you know wish you god speed in continuing it because it's [ __ ] monstrous. They they say 34

Andrew Wilsonweeks. 34 weeks. Yep. That that is just [ __ ] evil. Um so so to to chair one though, uh I got to ask you a question. Like let's just say for a second she

Andrew Wilsondidn't let's just say for a second she didn't support foster care and she wasn't out, you know, feeding homeless children or doing any [ __ ] like that.

Andrew WilsonWhy in the world would that matter? the idea of not being able to kill a 34w week old. No, no. Obviously the 34 I did say 34 is crazy. 34 was crazy. Not be

Ryderevil and not also support foster children because she doesn't have time. Like why would that even be a problem or a contradiction? Because I think a lot of people when they don't support abortion, I mean when they don't support when they support abortion or they don't

Rydersupport abortion, they're just kind of like, okay, well that's still an unwanted child. Like so the child's going to feel unwanted wherever it's at. And I mean the foster home is like the first place that they go if they don't go to adoption. And so that's why I

Andrew Wilsonthink like they should at least worry about that. Well, I just want to let you know that 100% of the babies in the United States put up for adoption or adopted. There's 30 couples waiting to adopt for every newborn put up for to get approved. Yeah. Yeah. I know that

Andrew Wilsonwas me. Yeah. That's that's one. And the second is it still wouldn't be a contradiction in her worldview even if she didn't. Now, she said she did. I don't take her at her word, but even if she didn't, there's nothing

Andrew Wilsoncontradictory about saying, "Hey, you're not allowed to murder 34 babies." Uh because I don't want to go support foster kids. Like, there's still no contradiction there. I just want to point that out to you. Absolutely. Would

SPEAKER_04you ask uh someone who's working to cure cancer why they haven't helped with diabetes yet? It's just something that I focus Yeah, but that's like stem cells and everything. So, like you can't Well, that that's the whole thing is that I'm focused on one thing and I absolutely do

SPEAKER_04care about other things, but I don't have to solve every world problem in order to know that killing babies is wrong. When when do you think focus on the problems you can solve? Right. When do you think that it should be legal to

Ryderhave an abortion? At what stage? Oh, what do you mean stage? What stage of pregnancy? Like ages. Well, I think just barely like before the first like seven weeks. 10 weeks. Okay. So, the earliest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's like

RyderI'm not a hater. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. Definitely. Yeah. I I No. No. No. No. Girl. I'm super open. But that's what I'm saying. Like 34 That's why I was like 34 weeks is crazy. That's like pretty much you're about to deliver. Like that's insane. Yeah. Might as well

SPEAKER_04just go through with it. Like you already did all the stretching. Like So is 30 weeks. Yeah. So it's 30. So it's 28 weeks. And so And from the very from the very moment of conception, 95% of biologists agree that it's a human life.

SPEAKER_04It meets all seven characteristics of life. You do not have to be a Christian to know that killing babies is wrong. It's a biological fact as well. Um, and so it doesn't matter what stage of development you are in. It does not determine your value. And no matter when

SPEAKER_04an abortion is performed, that is still killing an innocent human being. Can I add something? Um, first of all, if you squash an bald eagle egg, you get f fined like what

Andrew Wilson$250,000 cuz they're endangered. It's cuz they're endangered. Well, humans are getting endangered. That's very true. What? So, so hang on. But what they're doing though, she makes a valid point, right? Because what they're doing is they're saying, "Well, wait, this isn't

Andrew Wilsona bald eagle life yet. Just the potential to be bald eagle life." And since bald eagles are endangered, just the potential they will become bald eagles is enough for you to fit the

Andrew Wilsoncrime of essentially murdering a bald eagle. Right. I've actually point. It's a good point. I've never actually heard that argument. That's pretty Have you heard that one? Oh, yeah. I just literally posted. You can look on

SPEAKER_04Instagram. I just posted it like a couple days ago. I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't see it. You're so Yeah. Go to prison. You can go to prison for destroying an eagle egg, but it is

SPEAKER_04your right and freedom to kill an innocent child. Another thing I would like to add is the argument people use against that is, oh, the egg is separate from the mother. Well, it still needs the mother and the parent to survive. And another thing is you guys always not

SPEAKER_04you guys people on the left typically bring up foster system as a abortion. Should we just go shoot up orphanages? I don't think that's right. What the [ __ ] But honestly like with a shooting I don't think you should talk

SPEAKER_04about shootings with everything language on because of the to loaded language. I'm sorry. Um but what I'm trying to say is I have two adopted sisters and stuff. their life is

SPEAKER_04no less valuable than mine because they were chosen not to be kept and stuff. And the fact that people they they talk about choosing between an unborn child or a 5-year-old and something you're

SPEAKER_04change you're ignoring the fact that that unborn child has the potential to be that 5-year-old. It can ch it could cure cancer or probably killed the cure for cancer. Yeah, that's a purpose from God. The circumstances of your life do

SPEAKER_04not determine your value. And back to you. I'm I'm curious. Oh, sorry. You said you were pro-choice. Would you now say that you're pro-life? You um

Ryderhonestly I mean pro-life it to a point an extent just because uh I not going to like open my book too much but like with essay and stuff, you know, like I just

Ryderpersonally believe like there's some things that just it's sick obviously, but it just sucks. Yeah. But that's not that child's fault. Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah. Would the world be

Andrew Wilsona better or worse place if you had been aborted? I don't think the world cares enough about me to answer my question. Be a better or a worse place if do you think? Neutral. So you say your life doesn't

Rydermatter. Not that it doesn't matter, but there's too many other things in the world going on for my own life. I only matter to the people around me. Yeah. So raise your hand if you think that the world would be better, a better place if

Andrew Wilsonyou had been aborted. That alone should generally just end the argument, right? But the thing is is that it doesn't, which is insane to me. Like just the very idea

Andrew Wilsonthat none of the people who advocate on behalf of abortion think the world be worse if they weren't in it. I think that that's insanity, right? You're eliminating the same potentiality that other people can make impacts in a world

SPEAKER_04on par with yours, which are good. I I want to address the argument you just brought up in the case of essay. Um it's a terrible thing. No prolifer ever wants a woman to get pregnant in the situation. Um, but abortion does not

SPEAKER_04undo that trauma. It may add more trauma because abortion itself is traumatic. Yeah. And if we're not even going to give the death penalty to the horrific person that committed this crime against her, why would we give the death penalty to an innocent child for the crimes of

SPEAKER_04their father? But then that goes back to I believe the death penalty for anybody that does essay. But do you think the death the death penalty should be given to an innocent child for the crimes of their father? No. But I believe it's the woman's choice regardlessly. a choice to

Ryderdo what though? To if she wants to keep the baby or not. Not just abort it. That's what I'm saying. Keep the baby or not. 44% of women regret their abortions. Then see then I'm I wish they would have thought it a little bit more through.

RyderShe's got the stats. I got That's what I'm saying. I wish you would I wish women would truly think about it because there's I like Exactly. I think Abigail said it or someone said it, but there is

Rydersome women that like try to joke about it and like try to be like he he What? Have you had an abortion? No, I've actually actually never been pregnant either. So, yeah. So, you never had an

Andrew Wilsonabortion. Well, yeah. But I know people that have. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I get it. I understand that. Right. But don't you think that a lot of times women have abortions and then feel like there's no going back because they have to

Ryderendlessly justify it for the rest of their lives. Yeah. But see, that's exactly why justify it. If you are truly getting, you should literally stick it in your brain and be like, I have a baby inside me. I have a baby inside me. this

Ryderis going to be a baby. Will I do this to myself? And if they are willing to sit there with themselves and be like, "Okay, I will do it. I will take this." Then I guess whatever empathy or

Ryderwhatever type of mood and whatever type of emotions they're feeling. I'm not here I'm not here to confuse someone else's emotions. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Last question I have for you. Okay.

Andrew WilsonWhat would change your mind on this issue? What thing could be said as an argument that if you heard it, right, would reconcile this in your brain so

Ryderthat it would settle the issue for you? What would that be? Um, I think the biggest thing, and this is also something I do say too, women that have abortions usually cannot conceive a child the same way they did with the

Ryderfirst one. They usually tend to have problems like complications. Once you have an abortion, there is more risk to your next pregnancy. does not answer my question. What thing could I This is the

Andrew Wilsonfinal question of the belief that this is okay. What is that thing? And then if I refute that thing, will you change your mind on this issue? Yeah, but I just can't think of a thing like that right now. You can't think of

Rydera thing. So, you're holding on passionately to an issue even [ __ ] know why. You don't even know why. No, I just know enough like to the point where I mean, like I'm saying, I don't I'm not here to tell you though how you feel.

Ryderthe stance. You have no idea. I know. But that exactly, but like I'm saying, I'm not I'm not a therapist. I'm not someone to be like, "Oh my god, let me here to convince you." Therapist know because it's just somebody else's views. I'm not I'm not going to press if I

SPEAKER_04could prove that it was a human being to you. Would you become pro-life from the moment of conception? Yeah. If my brain could register it. Yeah. But okay, every biology textbook says a human life begins at fertilization. At fertilization, they meet all seven

SPEAKER_04characteristics of life. You have your own separate DNA. Everything about you, your sex, hair color, eye color was determined at the moment of conception. You were you and you were valuable and you were a human life that deserves equal human rights. Okay. Bars. It's

Rydertrue. Do you agree with that? Same thing with animals. Oh, yeah. Same thing with animals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Wait, do you do you agree with her? I said okay. Yeah. Are you pro life now? But so if it feel better, you said if there was I still have different views.

SPEAKER_04I still have different views on different situations. But do you do so you disagree with science then that it's not a human life? There's a lot of science. I guess I wouldn't say I disagree on it, but Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Biology is not a soft science. Biology is a hard science. Yes, I have

Brian Atlasthe studies right now if you would like to look at them. Uh, but you guys are going to waste more time trying to convince me than me trying to learn it on myself on my own. But you did you did just say if like this was the standard then it would change your mind on

Ryderabortion. She just established that it was. Yeah. And I said, but what did I what I said? I said if you could and run the clip back. I said if you could actually if my brain can process it right now then yeah I will change my

Andrew Wilsonmind in 2.3 seconds once you tell me if you want to know the anti- women voting argument the main one of rationality is

Andrew Wilsonthat women will often hold to stances which are illogical based on emotion and this pure emotion pure [ __ ] emotion

Andrew Wilsonno stance based in logic reason you can't refute a stance based in uh nonrational emotional thinking, right? And this is why those all those repeal

Andrew Wilsonthe 19th, which by the way, again, I'm saying I want to limit suffrage for everybody because I just think it's a bad idea that everybody votes in this. I think that's stupid. But when it comes to this with chair one, like look at the

Ryderrationality. No rationality whatsoever. Holding to a stance at a period. Yeah. But I hold it to the stance just because of the certain types of topics. Like I told her, it's not like I'm over here like, "Oh my god, you should do it at

Andrew Wilsonany age at any given week." But that's rational. You don't have a rational reason why you hold the stand. Tell me the rational reason you hold this stance. What is it? Because I believe it's my own body and I should have my own teeth. It's not your It's not your

Ryderbody. It's a baby's body that's being hurt and killed by inside of my body and it will not be procre. So it will not be creating without me. So a child's dependency on their mother's body to survive is a death sentence.

RyderNo, it's not a death sentence because a newborn baby also relies then there's those women there's those women that have children and then they're mean as [ __ ] and abusive to their children because they never want so they're better off to be mothers. We're not

Ryderforcing anyone to be mothers. We just want to hold them accountable for their decision. Pro-choice pro-schoice means you could give your baby up for adoption, you could get an abortion or you could keep it. That's a choice. Killing shouldn't be a choice though.

RyderThere's three choices. Yeah, it shouldn't be an option because the baby, but it's the fact that it is. And the only person that could really tell me something is Lydia because she's the only one out there in the government area being like, "Yeah, this is what I'm

Rydergoing to do." So, until you actually have Put that on your resume, Lydia. I have a government area. Yeah. In the government specific in the government area. I understand that you're you're a

Andrew Wilsonvery staunch anti-abortion advocate. I have a hypothetical for you. For me, as Yeah. for you, which has been bothersome to me. Okay. I had to think about it for a long time. Um because it was it was

Andrew Wilsonactually difficult for me to reconcile. You believe life begins at conception. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So then an in vitro fertilization clinic, all of those eggs have been fertilized, right? Yep.

Andrew WilsonAbsolutely. So an in vitro fertilization clinic is on fire. There's a 2-year-old who's in there and he's crying and there's thousands of eggs next to him. Would you save the thousands of eggs or

SPEAKER_04would you grab the 2-year-old if you could only choose one? I I don't think it changes the argument, and here's why. In the Titanic, when it was sinking, they chose to save the women and children first, like we talked about

SPEAKER_04earlier. Does that mean that the men are worth less? No. Absolutely not. That's But that but wait, there's a rationale behind that which is based around social duty. valuation that you're talking

Andrew Wilsonabout is equality in life after and before the effect of birth. This is the argument for being uh pro-life from your

Andrew Wilsonstance. So these fertilized eggs have as much ontological value as that 2-year-old. So justify how it would be that you would grab the 2-year-old. I don't I don't know what I'd do in that

SPEAKER_04situation, but um I think I I think um if you had to I I I don't I I don't think it at the end of the day, first of all, we have an emotional response to

SPEAKER_04gravitate towards a screaming 2-year-old who can um feel pain, has conscious ability to experience what's happening. Um whereas um 2-year-old can't feel pain

SPEAKER_04and he's not crying. Yeah. And yeah, that might be part of the consideration. It still doesn't change the argument, though. They're still equally valuable. For instance, if I have my own two 2-year-old and there's a bunch of other 2-year-olds that are not mine in the

SPEAKER_04corner, I might be conflicted about who to save, doesn't change the argument that they're all equally valuable. They're all equally living human beings. Yeah. But I'm not disputing that within the worldview they're all equally

Andrew Wilsonvaluable. The dispute comes in as to why the intuition would be for most people to go for the 2-year-old. Yeah. instead of the eggs. Why it would be that most

SPEAKER_04people wouldn't cry over the fact or for instance, let me give you an example. A nurse carelessly knocks over a bunch of fertilized eggs. Did she just murder a ton of people? I it well accidentally but yes those are I mean that's why I

SPEAKER_04the IVF industry is extremely problematic because they're creating all of these millions of um babies in embryionic form and then freezing some of them destroying a bunch of them um

SPEAKER_04practicing eugenics on them by selecting the ones that are um a certain sex or um have certain genetic capabilities and that's why the IVF industry is how person if they knocked over that tray of

Andrew Wilsoneggs right fertilized eggs and they all broke would feel in any way the same conditional that they would if they just saw for instance like I don't know 102 year olds get butchered in this right yeah I mean they probably wouldn't feel

SPEAKER_04the same way because it doesn't have the same level of experiences you might feel different that's why we can't base the pro-life argument on emotion it's based on uh logic and facts and biology that says it's a human life in the in the

Andrew Wilsonwomb yeah that's true but intuition also informs what you're when you're talking about moral codes when you're talking about the ideas of how people interpersonally relate

Andrew WilsonI think it's just because intuitively you're like if you asked a person almost any person this question would you rather if you had to choose right 1002y

Andrew Wilsonolds get butchered in front of you right or 1,000 inseminated eggs get dumped on the ground I think almost every human being you ask that question to is going

Andrew Wilsonto choose the eggs getting dumped on the ground right right yeah so it seems to be counterintuitive a bit to the log logic. Now, I I agree with you, by the way, 100% agree with you that you you are logically consistent. I'm just

SPEAKER_04saying that in this the intuition side is very difficult to logically reconcile. Absolutely. Yeah. No, I think it's because we're kind of hardwired to emotionally respond to a screaming

SPEAKER_04toddler in the way that we do where we can't see we can't see a human and embryionic form to the same degree. We can't see the emotion on their face. It's harder to empathize with that, which is why abortion is so normalized

SPEAKER_04partially because we can't see that baby in the womb. People think it's genuinely a clump of cells. I mean, I who was raised a Christian had no idea that abortion was wrong for a while because society has just normalized it. It's so

SPEAKER_04easy to dehumanize them when we can't see them with our own eyes and we can't um empathize as well with it. So, I mean, I I agree with you. It's it's difficult. Um but no, it doesn't change their value at the end of the day. Can I

SPEAKER_04add something? I've heard that they're using like aborted babies eggs for IVF. Do you know if that's true? Aborted B. What do you mean by that? Aborted babies, like late term abortions, and they're using their eggs for IVF. I've

SPEAKER_04just heard that randomly. So, so they do a lot of different experiments on aborted babies body parts, unfortunately. Um, it's disturbing. I have not heard specifically of them

Abigail (Married)somehow creating. Final final thought goes to Abigail. Go ahead and then I'm moving it on. I I do want to know, Andrew, if somebody used the argument

Abigail (Married)that you just asked her to dispute your pro-life argument, how would you argue that question that you just Well, no, that would be telling. Oh, man. But I

Andrew Wilsonwant to know like all Andrew Wilson's logical weapons are there for Andrew Wilson to deploy at the right time against the right person. But I did feel that chair three I I felt like giving a little bit because there's nobody else

Andrew Wilsonto give any push back. Um, I think it's fair to push people even that you agree with on their logical consistency and why they think the things that they think. There was nobody else here to do it. So, unfortunately, it falls to me to

Andrew Wilsondo, right? Um, even if I completely agree with the stance, right? But I've heard tons of compelling uh pro-choice arguments that can be difficult to reconcile. You know what I mean? like um

Andrew Wilsonwell there's there's a bunch I can get into but definitely um not going to give you give away the Andrew Wilson logical weapons of mass destruction today. So don't don't you think you should be

SPEAKER_04helping educate people on how to debunk the pro-life or pro-choice argument? Of course. So it's good to share your knowledge then, right? I'm I'm curious. I want to

Andrew Wilsonhear how you doesn't mean I'm going to share it with you. So the thing is is like I'm going to look it up. I think you can ask I think I think you're doing

Andrew Wilsona fantastic job right in and what you're doing and I I mean God speed to you 100% support from us here at the Crucible to you especially calling that calling

Andrew Wilsonthose people exposing that so that people can see I've heard leftists say this isn't even a thing that happens there is no such thing as late term abortion you're making it up like I've heard all of that [ __ ] so I think what

Andrew Wilsonyou're doing the Lord's work here in this capacity right but When you have nukes, you save them for the right moment to drop them where they're the most useful instead of somebody else taking them, messing them all up, and

Brian Atlasthen the left is ready for them. I just don't What? What was it? A thousand embryo or what was it? A thousand. Are you talking about the burning IVF clinic analogy? Yeah, it was a thousand. Yeah,

Brian Atlasit's like Yeah. A thousand uh embryos. Fertilized embryos versus screaming 2-year-old burning building. All right, let's see what AI says to this. Andrew, uh oh, AI is usually pro-choice. You got

SPEAKER_04to look into this because somebody's going to hit you with that question. Hit me with what? The question that he Oh, the burning IVF plan. No, I always just say that it doesn't matter who you choose to save, they're still equally valuable. Just like it just because you save the women and children first on the

SPEAKER_04Titanic. He came back with the intuition. Your intuition logically consistent, but it's unintuitive to convince. But that still doesn't take that still doesn't defeat the abortion uh the pro-life stance. No, I agree. But

Andrew Wilsonsomebody's going to ask it's not a defeater. Listen, it's not a defeater, but you have to understand when you're convinc Well, and you probably do know this when you're convincing people that, right? Like for instance, you were trying to have a logical deductive

Andrew Wilsonargument uh based on induction and deductive reasoning with one somebody who is passionately emotionally attached to a position. They respond to rhetoric often over even logical consistency.

Andrew WilsonNobody's refuting that you have a logically consistent stance. You most certainly do, right? But it's are are you convincing people uh through rhetoric who cannot be convinced through

Andrew Wilsonlogic? And this is a weapon deployed by the left often uh rhetorically which stays in the convincing category of people who don't either a have the

Andrew Wilsoncapacity for logically inductive argumentation or deductive uh or they're just passionate about it from an emotional stance. It's like that's the point of rhetoric. So as Socrates pointed out rightfully rhetoric is

Andrew Wilsonanything which convinces a person whatever that is that's rhetoric. And so, um, I think it is a powerful rhetorical tool on their side, not a powerful logical one. And I don't think

Brian Atlasit debunks you at all. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Uh, we have some chats that I need to, uh, get to. Uh, but you know what? I We're going to do the roast session in a bit, guys. So,

Brian Atlaswe're going to bump the TTS down to 30. Um, so, let's see here. Yeah, we'll do the rose session TTS down to 30. what we do for the roast session and then also just what I you know after uh you know a

Brian Atlaslittle heavier conversation about abortion. Uh anybody want a popsicle? Anybody? Can we keep talking about abortion instead? Anybody? Okay. All right. Uh I'm going

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Brian Atlasbeing lowered to uh $30. $30 $29.99. If you want to get a roast in, get it in. We're going to be doing that. We have a couple more things to get through, a

Brian Atlascouple uh reacts and whatnot. Um there was something from Megan Kelly, which I thought was interesting. Matt Walsh responded. Andrew, I'm pretty sure you

Brian Atlasweighed in on this a little bit in your uh Piers Morgan appearance. Uh, I know you usually have an out around this time, Andrew, but do you have a few more minutes or do you have to

Brian Atlasuh You got some more time. Yeah, we're good, bro. Oh, awesome. Okay, perfect. Uh, so here, let me let that one come through. So, guys, just a reminder here, we're getting towards the

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Andrew Wilsoncan do it. $30 TTS. No, I feel like it's been a pretty good panel. Like there's it's really that I mean you should mostly just roast Brian, right? That's probably true. It's actually been a pretty good engaging panel, I must say.

Brian AtlasYeah. You know, and it's been a while since I've been uh burrito bombarded as I like to call it. You know, it's been it's been like half a year, 6 months since the last time they just leaned

Brian Atlasinto me with some burrito memeing. So, uh but yeah, feel free to roast me. Um. Uh. Oh, let me let this one come through.

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SPEAKER_09feelings? I need to though. I snuck in the studio and put OMIC in all the food covering the burrito. But all right. All right. If they send in the scumbag, I will give you Sorry. Go ahead. The champagne pop.

Brian AtlasIf they send in the champagne pop, I will give the answer to the hypothetical. I like it. I like it. All right. Beautiful. Uh, okay. So, few more

Brian Atlasnotes here. Uh, let's see. We did, uh, you know what? Yeah, let's just go to the Megan Kelly thing. I think that's interesting and it's kind of related to the career versus family conversation we were having earlier. Go ahead, pull that

Brian Atlasup. Yes. Yes, please. Uh, we'll go video tab on it. Guys, like the video. Enjoy the stream. Uh oh, wait. Is this it?

SPEAKER_01Uh, yeah. Just let's go ahead and play it. Here's what's happening on pause it. Pause it. Uh, go full screen. It's that full the far. Yep. All right. Go ahead. young women. I and I talk to young conservative women all the time about

SPEAKER_01their lives and their goals and you know the things that they want. And what's happening is they can't find men who are maybe more conservative. Usually they're looking for somebody who is religious,

SPEAKER_01you know, like they're a lot of conservative women tend to be God God loving uh conservatives and they can't find a lot of young men who want to marry a working woman. Now, this is an

SPEAKER_01actual problem that's that's coming up on the right. And to me, it's so sad because it's like, how did we get to the point where we we're now telling young,

SPEAKER_01conservative, amazing women that they're not attractive if they also work, if they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and what you're doing and like get their voice out there. But I'll stick with me just because I think

SPEAKER_01conservatives listening to this will like the thought of another Megan Kelly voice up and coming. Well, why wouldn't we want that? Why would we take somebody who's talented in this field and really

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