Anti-Male Red Hair Feminist DESTROYED In HEATED Debate?! Tea App/UBER Reaction! | Dating Talk #253

Date: 2025-07-28

Duration: 8h 35m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBailey (Nursing)>

IIsabella (Bio)>

JJackie (OF Manager)>

EEmily (Coach)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Asia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Poss(guest)

SPEAKER_04Key(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bailey (Nursing)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Nyx(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Isabella (Bio)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jackie (OF Manager)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily (Coach)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentNyx reveals first relationship was coercive/sexually non-consensual

ControversyBrian argues Uber women-only feature is discriminatory, analogizes to racial segregation

Key MomentTea app hacked exposing 70K women. Brian announces 'Tally' counter-app.

Key MomentKey: held captive 4-5 hours by abuser. SWAT called. He got 3 months.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Bailey, Isabella, Jackie, Asia, Nyx, Emily, Key, Poss.

Nyx First Relationship SA

Coercive relationship: car rides as leverage, dissociation, non-consensual encounters.

Uber Women-Only Feature Debate

Brian argues it is discriminatory. Analogizes to racial segregation.

Tea App Data Breach

70K women exposed. Brian announces counter-app Tally.

Body Count Round

Poss 50-70. Key 6. Asia ~10. Jackie 15-20.

Key DV Story

Held captive 4-5 hours. SWAT called. Abuser got 3 months.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasWar II. I don't think a lot of these men expected to go to the trenches and be out there for months and get shell shock and watch like half their squad or whatever die. But in any case, even

Brian Atlasgranting even if it was a full volunteer force, uh even if you volunteer to do something, you're still a can be a victim.

Brian Atlas>> I just think that like it's different just cuz no woman really signs up. >> Okay. So fine, I'll get I'll present this to you. 10 men who volunteer to

Brian Atlaswar, who volunteer uh to be h 10 men who are what would be the framing here?

Brian AtlasWould you rather see 10 men who volunteered to go to war be uh killed if it saved one woman from being essay?

Jackie (OF Manager)>> Like if you can control it somehow. >> I just think that's like an unrealistic thing to ask personally. I mean, it's just okay. It's a hypothetical to test your logic. >> I understand. >> Okay. What's your answer? What's your

Brian Atlasanswer? >> No, I'm just feel like then no. >> Okay. So, if it's the case, for example, like let's say there were I don't know the exact numbers. Let's say there were 100,000

Brian Atlasuh No, I'll just here. We'll go higher. Let's say there were half a million, 500,000 essays during World War II. Do you even know how many military deaths there were during World War II? Not off the top of my head. Not off of

Brian Atlasthe top of my head. >> Okay. It was like 20 million plus. Uh let's say there was 500,000 essays. It could be more, could be less. I don't know. I don't know the exact numbers. In any case, we do know uh quite

Nyxdefinitively there were certainly more deaths than there were essays. In this case, who's the primary victim of war? >> Do you think that a death carries more

Brian Atlasgenerational trauma than what uh comfort women faced? more generational trauma. You'd have to explain to me what generational trauma is. >> Generational trauma is like it's a

Nyxtraumatic event that occurs with, you know, one person from one generation and then the effects of it carry on to their kids, their family. >> Yeah, this is a great red herring. It doesn't really answer my question, >> who's the primary victim?

Brian Atlas>> Well, it leads into what I was trying to say. Um, uh, I don't know. I couldn't say. Probably. Maybe, maybe not.

Nyx>> I don't know. But >> it would Let's say it causes more generational trauma >> because I don't know. I'm genuinely curious. What generation generational trauma does a death like in an act of

Nyxservice cause? >> Can you think of something? kids being ripped from their >> I mean, >> but would you argue that that also happens with comfort women? >> With what? >> Comfort women. Like their kids are

Emily (Coach)ripped from them. That's the generational trauma. Like, >> okay, this is going to sound really [ __ ] up, but I'm going to bite the bullet on this. >> [ __ ] up. Only this. Only this.

Brian Atlas>> This is going to sound really [ __ ] up, but I just I feel like it's a counter to your argument. Mhm. >> So, my dad

Brian Atlasuh this is such a I can't even uh do I even want to say it. >> I would prefer my dad be victimized in that way, but he still lives and hope he

Brian Atlascan overcome the trauma that was inflicted upon him through this. Yes. Through this act. >> I feel like it would still be really really traumatic for that to happen to him, but I would be happy that he's

Brian Atlasstill alive. Would he be happy that he's still alive? >> I don't know. I Here's the thing. You can't come back from being dead. People do heal. I look, it's a terrible crime. Incredibly traumatic.

Nyx>> This is something that people can heal from. >> Yeah. But this is just why I think there's so much nuance to that question. Like, can you be more of a victim? >> Yes. Okay. Let me ask you a question. >> Can you quantify trauma?

Brian Atlas>> Well, hold on. So would you agree that it's traumatic for the boyfriend, the father, the brother uh of a woman like of a woman who's been essayed? Can that be traumatic for them? >> I think to some men it could be

Brian Atlastraumatic. >> To some men, I'm sorry. Like what >> what >> you you would agree that they would How about this? Here's the metric. You would agree that they would face some degree

Brian Atlasof suffering by witnessing a loved one be uh victim to this crime? Yes. >> Okay. I would never say that although it is the case that being the brother, the father, the boyfriend, the son, whatever

Brian Atlasit is, while they can be they can suffer, I would say they're secondary victims. I would never say that they are primary victims and that their suffering would

Brian Atlasever supersede the suffering of of the primary victim, which is the woman who was essay. Your line of argumentation is well um >> I never said that they were more of a victim or anything. I'm talking about

Brian Atlasthe soldiers woman. >> You're saying women are the primary victims of war. >> I didn't say that. >> You agree with the statement? >> I didn't. >> Here, I'll read it. >> I said men are not.

Brian Atlas>> Men are not the primary victims. Okay. Well, then by deductive reasoning, if men are not the primary victims of war, then uh who >> do you think trans women were huge

Nyxvictims in war? >> Um but what the [ __ ] >> Okay. Uh

Brian Atlashow about this? >> But again, I the woman who's been essayed is the primary victim. The secondary victims would be the boyfriend, husband, uh, husband, father,

Brian Atlasbrother, son. >> I would be really upset and really hurt if that happened to my girl, but I would never say I'm the primary victim here.

Brian AtlasShe's the primary victim, >> right? No, but I but you're doing that to war >> and the victimization of men in war >> and that they are the primary victims. How about this? I'll give you another

Brian Atlasone. during pregnancy, you know, it's really hard for us men. >> Us us men have it really hard. >> Yeah. You get your period >> when y'all when y'all be pregnant. Like we're the primary men are the primary

Brian Atlassufferers. >> Mhm. >> When women are pregnant and men when you're giving birth, when you're pushing out, A girl is going to squeeze her hand really hard. >> Yeah, that's got to hurt.

Brian Atlas>> Oo, it hurts. She squeezes your hand and she hurt. It hurts. Am I the primary I won't say victim, but I'll say suffer. Are men the primary sufferers? >> Suffraet over here.

Brian Atlas>> Are men the primary? Yeah, because women aren't victims when they're pregnant. That's they're but they suffer when they're pregnant in some degree. Women are clearly the primary sufferers

Brian Atlaswhen they're pre pregnant. Not the husband. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, if you can't I don't get it. All right. She can't even grant men. All right. I don't know >> what was your argument there.

Brian Atlas>> No, I was just trying to say like can we quantify the trauma that comes with comfort women? That's only one. >> Yes, we can quantify it. War is the most historically researched thing ever.

Brian AtlasWorld War II, the the most researched and documented incidents in human history. Can you put a number to how traumatic it was? Because we know we know how many men died.

Nyx>> We know how many men died. We don't know how many men were traumatized.

NyxI would rather be traumatized than die person. >> Well, that circles back to my other question. Like, do you think it's do you think it is worth it is worse to die or to be permanently traumatized for the

Nyxrest of your life? Which one do you think is greater suffering? >> Said he could heal. >> I I believe you can heal from that. >> Yeah, >> I believe you can heal.

SPEAKER_01Uh, we have Christine here. >> Christine donated $100. I hate this war question because the point is to show how stupid and

SPEAKER_01illogical women are. You guys make us look stupid because you are stubborn and want to be right and create clips to make us look stupid. >> Wait, let me ask you this.

Brian Atlas>> What are you doing? Let me let me ask you this. Let me ask you this though. You would agree that when it comes to war, uh I mean war can manifest in a lot of different ways, but let's say there's

Brian Atlasa one belligerent army that's attacking another nation, right? >> Sure. >> Right. >> Like guerilla war tactics. >> Well, take for example um

Brian AtlasWorld War II. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Germany invaded France, right? >> Mhm. Yeah. And it's possible that when this occurred,

Brian Atlasuh I'm not an expert as it there's definitely like on different fronts in the Eastern front when like Russia was invading Germany and when Germany well prior to that when Germany invaded

Brian AtlasRussia quite a bit of essay uh to my knowledge. I don't know if the rates were as high on the western front uh the western front, you know, when they were going through like Belgium, Netherlands,

Brian Atlaswhatever, and and into France. I don't know if I'm just going to assume there was essay, right? Um you would agree though that there were German soldiers who died invading France, right? >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Were there German women being essayed during that time period? >> Sure. >> From the French? Sure. >> How the French were not in German territory.

Brian Atlas>> I stopped listening to what you were saying. I'm going to be so for real. I'm so sorry. >> Okay. Uh I mean, I'm trying to be good faith here. >> I know. I'm sorry. >> I mean, are you doing that because you

Brian Atlasknow that you're about to be BTFOed on your point and proven wrong? >> No, I'm just tired. I'm sorry. >> This is why the wage gap exists, by the way. I think Let me see if you wrote

Brian Atlasdown uh there. Did you There is a gender wage gap. That's why there's a gender wage gap, folks. Men are sturdier in the face of

Brian Atlasconversation. All right. Love it. >> Uh in this case though, can you at least try to partic

Brian Atlas>> agree that German men died when they invaded France? >> Yes. >> Okay. So maybe, look, I'm not expecting you to be an expert in World War II.

Brian AtlasI'll tell you definitively that the French army was not at any point in German territory prior to the invasion of uh France.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> So given this, the German women were not victims of SA at that point in the war. So you would have to concede at least in

Brian Atlasthis specific metric that the women were not victims were not the at least on the German side were not the primary victims of war. Can you at least concede to that? >> Sure.

Nyx>> What are you conceding to? Just so I know I just so I know you're not trolling. >> Conceding to the fact that German women were not the primary victims in that scenario, >> right? And then you would agree in other

Brian Atlassituations, for example, in the United States when US military men in World War I, World War II, when they went to Europe, when they went to uh Vietnam,

Brian Atlaswhen they went, you know, while they were also in the Pacific theater of war during World War II,

Brian Atlasthere was no land invasion of the United States ever. Well, hold on. Let starting World War I, there was never a land in like the Germans didn't invade

Brian Atlasthe United States. Japanese didn't invite invade the United States. Uh Viet the Vietnamese definitely did not invade the United States. So you'd agree at least from the perspective of the United

Brian AtlasStates military, the the population of the United States, the men are the primary victims of war because no woman has been essayed on US

Brian Atlasso uh soil by an invading army >> on the US side. Sure. >> Sure. And is possible that those men, the United States men, when they went to these other countries, it's certainly

Brian Atlasplausible that they did commit acts of essay. But you would agree that from this paradigm, the women in the USA were not essayed by

Brian Atlasan invading force because no there was no invading force in the United States. >> Sure. >> Okay. So given that this is a constant factor in warfare, there's typically the

Brian Atlasbelligerent army. I mean sometimes it can change. The belligerent army is invading another country. their uh their their women are not being essayed in their country.

Brian Atlas>> Their women. Yeah. >> Right. But then but here's the here's the distinction. You have military deaths on both sides. >> Mhm. >> Military deaths on both sides.

Brian AtlasB on this basis alone. Then there's other arguments that can be made. You would have to concede that men are the primary victims of war. if this is always the sort of dynamics that occur in warfare.

Nyx>> I mean, I was just trying to like bring up the point that my main thing that I was thinking of was comfort women and how it affects generational trauma and how

Key>> comfort comfort women. I know you hate hearing from women. Um, >> did any girl does it? Oh my god. >> I've never heard the term comfort woman

Nyxbefore. Okay. So, I mean, >> comfort woman is like, do you know what it is now? Like, >> no, that's why I'm I'm being honest. I've never heard that term before. >> Yeah. During like World War II, they took a bunch of women, usually very very

Nyxyoung, took them from Asia and then like put them in camps with I think American soldiers. And then they were meant to Japanese were notorious for >> being brutal to the women of the

Brian Atlascountries that they invaded. So, let's not make this like a white person thing. >> I misspoke. It was Japanese armies. >> Well, no. I mean, there was like prostitution.

Brian AtlasI I don't know. Look, I I'm not an expert in like prostitution connected to like military things, but like it is known that the Japanese were pretty [ __ ] brutal. >> I know I misspoke. It was the Japanese army that did the comfort women.

Nyx>> Well, I mean, I again, I'm not an expert. It's possible that these other nations also had comfort women. >> Yeah. So they were saying they were put into these camps um and then they were forced

Nyxto comfort the men by like having sex with them all the time and then the woman would like you know like one person would have sex with her very aggressively and then it would just like keep going for hours and hours and hours. >> I mean you do know some of these women

Keywere voluntarily prostitutes >> and some men were voluntarily soldiers. >> What does that have to do with it? >> I mean in the US you can't be voluntary soldier. You have to sign up for the draft as a man. Well, no. You can be a

Brian Atlasvoluntary soldier. >> Well, yes, but you have to sign up for the draft. Okay. But so, >> you can be voluntary. >> As a man, you don't have a say. >> Yeah, but she she's saying that some men

Nyxhave been forced to go to war against their will, >> right? And comfort women were also forced, but then you also said that some women did it voluntarily. Sure. Some soldiers did it voluntarily, too. >> Right.

Brian Atlas>> Right. >> Yeah. I'm just using your argument. >> I guess it was her argument, I guess. Yeah. >> Anyways, okay. Uh, we have some chats here coming through.

SPEAKER_01>> Crazy [ __ ] Crazy [ __ ] >> From TMR donated $100. As a black man, she was off with the race boine feces and now she trolling. Kick her lady read

Brian Atlasa book. There is a difference between systemic racism and racism. Every human being can be racist. >> Yo, Cam, thank you so much for the uh TTS, man. I really appreciate it. By the

Brian Atlasway, guys, uh we're probably not going to heads up. I know sometimes we drop the drop the chat to lower. I pretty sure we're not going to have time to do

Brian Atlaslike a row session. Not going to have time to uh like lower the TTS. So, we have also No, this is that. Thank you, uh Spaxs, I guess. Thank you. Appreciate

Isabella (Bio)it. And then we have Joe Murphy. Uh Isabella, can you read this one? >> Yeah. Uh we are totally confused. Didn't the white male patriarch patriarchy

Isabella (Bio)abolish global slavery? UK, France, and the USA? I suppose it's a first world issue reflected around the g globe. >> Sorry.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh Nick, just a couple questions for you. Uh can men that identify as women play in sports? >> Like in >> Thank you, Joe, for uh the super chat. >> In women's sports.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, >> sure. Okay. Um, can white people culturally appropriate? >> Yeah. >> Can black people culturally appropriate? >> I think so.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Are white women wearing dreadlocks culturally appropriating black culture? >> I think so. >> Uh, um,

Nyxare you uh are you wearing a cross? >> Mhm. >> Are you Christian? I'm practicing Cathol or culturally Catholic. Sorry. >> Culturally Catholic. >> Filipino culture is like there's a lot of ties to Catholicism.

Nyx>> Okay. But you're not Catholic. >> Um not practicing. Like I don't go to church, but it's part of my culture. >> Okay. Um you have a cross too. Are you also

Brian AtlasChristian or >> I'm Christian. >> Catholic. Just Christian. Okay. Uh, while I was gone, you said that you hate

Brian Atlaswhite people. >> Did I miss Is that what she said? >> She did say that. >> And none of you guys push back on that. That's interesting how that works.

Brian AtlasUh, do you want to like why? I guess >> I mean I said right after that I was joking. >> Oh, okay. Would you accept that if I

Brian Atlassaid that about black people? >> Sure. >> I could just a racist statement like that. I could just hand wave it away by just saying I'm joking.

Brian Atlas>> What's the joke? Can you explain the joke to me? Cuz I'm a bit slow >> because it was outlandish. It >> really? >> Yeah. It >> Oh, okay. Oh, now that Yeah, that explains it. >> Mhm.

Brian AtlasYou You don't actually think it's a joke, though. You genuinely believe it. >> No, I don't hate white people. >> What's that? >> I don't hate white people. >> Is that the truth? >> Yeah. My first two boyfriends were

Brian Atlaswhite. >> So, okay. Wait, so if I date black women like or somebody dates black women, that means they can't be racist? >> I never said that. I just said they

Brian Atlasprobably don't hate him. >> Think you underestimate. Uh, okay. Okay. Well, um, is this worth more push back,

Brian AtlasNick, or not? Really? What do you think? >> I guess you could ask her if she likes >> Do you like white people? >> She has a preference. >> Not for dating. Just do you like white people? >> Like, do I prefer white people?

Brian Atlas>> No, no, no. Do you like white people? >> Sure. I'm I'm rocking with white people. Sure. I don't. Yeah, sure. >> Okay. Well, you said you hate white people. While while I was gone, somebody just told me that

Key>> I did say that. >> Did she? >> Literally. Yeah, >> she did say it, but then you did follow up with I'm kidding. But >> how soon after she said it? >> Like right after?

Nyx>> Would it matter if I said it like too long after? >> What do you mean >> if I like waited a beat? Like if I waited a minute and then I was like, I was joking, by the way. I don't hate white people. Would that matter? Would that make it worse?

Nyx>> That's how you said it, though. >> What? >> That's how you responded. >> What? >> I'm joking. I don't hate white people. >> Yeah. If I waited too long, would that make a difference? >> You did wait too long. My to my opinion. Okay. I'm sorry.

Brian Atlas>> It seems like you wanted to throw it out and you covered your racism with >> I'm just joking. >> It's just a joke. Like, you don't want to own that [ __ ] Like, say that [ __ ] with your chest. >> You're literally creating problems here.

Brian AtlasAll right. I don't think y'all would be as uh approving of this if uh somebody at the table said they hate a a racial minority, at least in well, one that

Brian Atlasexists in this country anyways. But okay. Is this just like a no accountability night? Just nobody's going to >> All right. All right. >> What do you want us to say? We got

Keymultiple white people here and like you you have somebody who just said that she hates white people. >> Not offended by it. >> I thought she was joking. I didn't know. >> Yeah. >> Somehow. >> Okay. All right. >> The world will keep spinning.

Key>> Everything will be okay. >> Oh boy. All right. That's crazy. That's crazy. >> Should we be personally offended? >> Yeah. Are you that easily >> traumatized by her statement? >> No, I'm just I'm just curious. Are you >> Bro, he was attacked by a Filipino on the show >> in the

Brian Atlas>> He can't have a Filipino Uber driver now. I traumatized it. I'm sorry. I play. >> So, I mean, to answer your question though, in the same way that like I would find it offensive if a white person said that they hate uh if they

Brian Atlashate black people. I would find that offensive. I'd find it offensive if somebody says they hate white people. I find it offensive if people say they hate women. I find it offensive if people say they hate men. >> So, yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> I might have some hot takes, but I've said it repeatedly. Uh, I would never categorize myself as somebody who hates women. I think women are wonderful. Uh,

Brian Atlasdon't always agree with them on everything like with anybody though. Um, most of the women I've dated have been pretty wonderful. I've had, you know, a couple bad dates here and there, but I'd

Brian Atlasnever even even though I've had bad experiences, I'm never going to ever say never ever gonna say I hate women. Will never say it. >> That's fair. >> Never say it. It's not true. Don't hate

Brian Atlaswomen. Love women. Women are great. But women when they get a couple bad dating experiences, all of a sudden they come become misandressous. Real quick, um, what do you think about men? >> H, >> what do you think about men? >> I think men are cool. I [ __ ] with them.

Brian Atlas>> Do you hate men? >> I wouldn't say that. >> Are you a misandress? >> No, I wouldn't say that. >> Okay. All right. Well, anybody a misandre here? >> Really? >> Snap it up.

Brian Atlas>> Is it true? >> Uh, it's like the opposite of misogyny. So you >> like misogyny, you hate women. >> Misandry, you hate men. >> Oh. >> Oh,

Brian Atlas>> no. Okay. Uh, all right. Off of the war thing, then. Uh, couple more. Just a couple more here. We're not going to do all of Oh, finally. Oh my god. You're such a brat, lady.

Brian AtlasYou're such a brat. Holy [ __ ] Um, >> let's see here. Women are oppressed in the USA. Jackie, >> you said you agree with that statement.

Brian Atlas>> Nyx, you agree with that statement. Women are oppressed in the USA. Uh, just really quick, show of hands. Who here is a feminist? Do you consider yourself a feminist? Show of hands. >> Not by y'all's definition. >> Come on. Come on, Nick. Come on.

Brian Atlas>> Y'all's definition of feminism. I don't agree with >> I said, "No, I'm not a feminist." >> Okay. Um, so women are oppressed in the

Brian AtlasUSA. Women are oppressed in the USA. You agree? Why is that? >> You going first or am I? >> You You go first cuz she had a bit of time. So, why don't you just uh why or how? No. How are women oppressed in the

Jackie (OF Manager)USA? >> Just disclaimer, you got to excuse me. I'm a little tired. >> It's okay. I get that. >> But I mean, we just aren't usually presented the same opportunities or

Jackie (OF Manager)treated as equal. Of course, it's a case by case scenario, but overall, especially coming from a woman, we don't always have the same opportunities. >> Like what?

Jackie (OF Manager)>> I'm trying to think. Like I said, a little tired. Um >> I believe in you. >> Yeah, I have one brain cell right now. um

Jackie (OF Manager)>> jobs, just like how people respect us. Like a guy could be shirtless, but the second a girl even shows a little tummy, they're shaming her. I mean, that's just not the best

Brian Atlasexample. But >> if you had to give me um I agree with you that there there is a an inequality as far as like guys are legally allowed to go shirtless whereas

Brian Atlasin I think most jurisdictions women can't although some jurisdictions women can go uh topless. Can you also get me a room temp?

Brian AtlasThank you. But uh you know if like I guess I'm looking for like what is the like the

Brian Atlasbest example of oppression like the most the brutal one? >> A different country not in the US. >> No US is fine. I'm fine sticking to the

Emily (Coach)US. And the question is women are oppressed in the USA. So we have to stick to the USA. Maybe one of the closest, I'm not going to say my opinion on it, but is the domestic violence cases and when women are believed or not.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I mean, men are far less likely to believed if they're the victim of domestic violence at the hand of a woman.

Brian Atlas>> So, if if we're doing a comparison of Hold on. But if we're doing a comparison of who's more or less likely to be believed, I would then just argue men are way less likely to be believed

Brian Atlaswhen they're the victims of domestic violence. >> What about Gabby Patito? >> Okay. What about um who's the woman who murdered her boyfriend? Josie Arius or Wait,

Brian Atlas>> Jody. >> Jodie >> Arius. >> Is she who is she the one who murdered her boyfriend? Okay, cool. Yeah. >> Yeah. I can just give you like an anecdote or example of a woman who

Brian Atlasmurdered her boyfriend. >> What's the ratio? Like how many more women are killed by their partners? >> Oh, I'm sure the statistics indicate that uh more men kill their boyfriends

Brian Atlasthan the reverse. But she was talking about belief. Who's like believed? >> I think women are way more likely to be wait

Brian Atlasuh should we believe all women? >> No, not necessarily. Anybody going to bite on this? Should we believe all women? How about this? >> No. >> If a woman makes an accusation, should

Emily (Coach)we believe her? >> We should not instantly call the guy guilty. I'll say that. Um, but the reason that that initially came up was because there was an era theoretically, I haven't done too much research about

Emily (Coach)this, but there was an era theoretically where people would automatically dismiss the woman's case or would she away or settle her or whatever it is. like you know during the time when um I don't

Emily (Coach)know a couple decades ago. So that's where it initially came from was believe the woman um because again things like domestic violence sure but also specifically with um I don't want to get

Emily (Coach)demonetized rape or essay >> um would be they would leave very little physical evidence or there would be cases of um where people where their

Emily (Coach)essay kit what they did at the hospital would disappear um when they for like the evidence and stuff like that. So that's where the where believe the woman came from. Now do I believe that just

Emily (Coach)because a woman claims that she has these things that happened to her that she that that person should automatically go to jail, lose their job, blah blah blah blah blah. No. But I do think that if a woman's going to make

Emily (Coach)these claims, it's important to look at her story and to hear her out just like in the criminal justice system how it's meant to be. Well, I think we should

Brian Atlastake these claims seriously, but to just instantly jump knee-jerk jump to we should believe them,

Brian AtlasI don't know if that's the because smuggled into that is if we should believe all women, then we should not believe men.

Brian AtlasOr if your standard is if somebody says something you should believe it, then shouldn't this then equally apply to both men and women? >> Sure. >> The [ __ ] panel table mutes tonight. Godamn.

Nyx>> proven guilty. >> I think it's like you don't have to believe them, but you should be mindful. Like I'm I'm going to use my example here, but when I started opening up and telling people about my first boyfriend, I don't know if you remember that conversation.

Nyx>> I remember. >> Yeah. Um, when I started telling people about that, I didn't automatically expect them to like stop being friends with him, cut off all contact, but like I don't know, I expected them to respect when I would be like, "Hey, like if you're going to plan a hangout, I he

Nyxcan't be there if I'm going to be there." You know, like I expected them to be mindful. I didn't expect them to just like blindly trust what I was saying. I appreciated when they asked me for more details to like form their own opinion on it. I'd never held a grudge

Nyxagainst my friends that continued to talk to him. I just think it's like you should be mindful

Brian AtlasUh, I guess. Yeah. Um,

Brian Atlasoh, did Andrew just do a raid? >> Oh, sweet. Yo, thank you, Andrew. I don't know if you're tuning in, but uh, thank you for the raid, man. Welcome, Crucible, guys. We just had a crazy back

Brian Atlasand forth. We've got, uh, Nyx over here, and I got to tell you, she is a raging feminist. uh can't be racist towards

Brian Atlaswhite people. >> Uh can't sexist towards men. I don't know. She thinks >> I said you could be sexy. >> She thinks women are the primary victims of war.

Brian Atlas>> Uh we got some crazy [ __ ] >> She definitely did say that [ __ ] >> She hates white people. >> Did you hear about that part? >> Wait, question. I'm still like >> I'm a little confused by the whole

Brian Atlasboyfriend situation that you were talking about. I love talking [ __ ] about him. >> Well, what I guess my confusion >> my interest >> like my confusion is is

Brian Atlas>> Okay, you dated the dude for two years, right? >> About Yeah. >> And you sometimes had consensual sex with him >> a few times. >> And sometimes not.

Brian Atlas>> Most of the time. Yeah. >> That's That's kind of confusing. >> What about it? Well, if you like wouldn't you break up with the guy? Like I don't know. The

Nyxfirst time >> I touched on this earlier, but like I didn't realize in the moment like what was going on, how bad it was. Like I didn't realize until like it it kept going that I was like I can't be in this situation. This isn't good. This isn't

Brian Atlasright. It just took me a while to process it. Can I ask you, have you over the course of a week, was there ever a time where on one day you did have consensual sex with him and then like a

Brian Atlascouple days later you didn't? >> Yeah. >> So, would the pattern could the pattern ever have looked like this? Consensual sex, non-consensual,

Nyxconsensual sex, non-consensual, >> like back and forth >> back and forth. >> Um, sure. There was probably a time where that pattern happened. Yeah, but like I was saying, more of more often

Nyxthan not, it was non-consensual. There were very few times where I was like genuinely wanted to have sex with him. Ask all the questions you want. I love talking about this.

Brian Atlas>> I have to just uh I want to be like delicate with it cuz it's obviously >> No, feel free.

Brian Atlas>> Did you ever give him a non-consensual BJ? No, >> I never gave him one willingly. There you go. >> Wait, but so you did give him a BJ?

Nyx>> Yeah, because he asked me to and I didn't do it willingly. >> So he physically grabbed your head and forced you to do it. >> Uh, not physically grab like he'd be

Nyxlike, "Can you give me head?" I'm like, and he'd be like, "Please, pretty pretty please, please give me head." >> And then you consented to doing it. Coercion isn't consent.

Nyx>> But he he didn't you're saying he never physically forced you? >> Well, do you agree that coercion is like a form of >> Well, it would it would depend what you mean by coercion. >> Like he would keep asking and even after

NyxI established that I didn't want to and then it would get to a point where I was just like so uncomfortable, I did it to like just to get him to shut up basically or like to get it to be over with. Like I never >> Okay. >> I never willingly wanted to. I was never

Brian Atlaslike, "Can I please give you head?" >> Well, I think the I I don't think men should be pushy like that. >> Yeah. >> But I think there's a difference between pushy and coercion. >> Yeah. >> But so what was he doing specifically

Nyxthat was coercive? >> Um you know he would ask I'd say no. He would like sometimes he would get mopy. Sometimes he would like like mopey to try to make me like feel bad and then

Nyxhe'd be like can we have sex? And then I'm like are you going to keep whining if I say no? Basically. And then >> you know what? Remember how I told you >> by this definition I have been essay? >> I'm so sorry to hear that.

Brian Atlas>> I hear that. >> I was a little tired and my girl at the time >> she was a firecracker man. Like she she always wanted to [ __ ] Sometimes I had

Brian Atlasto be like girl chill like chill. And she was always respectful, right? A couple times she was a little mopy and she started, you know, kissing me on my neck and I was like,

NyxI'm going to have to slaying some dick. Is that >> is that was IA though because she was hold >> she was mopy, bro. She was doing it with the if she was doing it with the intention to try to coersse you into

Nyxsaying >> she was definitely trying to convince you she you said that she was like kissing up on you and [ __ ] after you said no >> popping her titties out and [ __ ] taking her clothes off. >> I think that's coercion. Like genuinely

Brian Atlasthat makes me uncomfortable make the >> the Oh, wait. Never mind. Never mind. It's not related. Um >> I think that is coercion. >> Have I was I said? >> Yeah, I think so. But it's also like Oh

Brian Atlasmy gosh. >> Sandbar PD I'm coming. I'm coming from that police report. [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Okay. But look, um Okay. So, he would

Nyxget But would would he ever like grab you and like physically force you? >> Not into giving head, but like Yeah. He would just start putting hands on me.

Nyx>> Like he'd grab your boob. >> Mhm. >> Like he would just start going without like he wouldn't even like look at me or like my face to see how I was reacting.

NyxHe would just go. >> You're a little dead pan though. Can you >> like >> what? >> Like was it a look of pure disgust you gave him or >> Well, there were a few times where I

Nyxwould just like, you know, I'd be like laying on the bed and I would just be like zoning out completely and I wouldn't be present at all. And then he like he would start and then afterwards he would realize I'm not reacting. I'm not even doing anything. And then he's

Emily (Coach)like, "Oh, did you not want to have sex?" And then I'm like, >> did he stop? >> Did you >> sometimes? >> So, there's an important distinction here, which is like, yes, there is a difference between like, okay, my

Emily (Coach)boyfriend or my girlfriend just like won't shut up and won't leave me alone and so like, let's just do it, like, you know, or whatever. And then >> I still think that that's coercion. >> Sure. Yeah. And there's also the physiological response to it, too.

Emily (Coach)Meaning that for example especially if somebody's disassociating if some that means that their nervous system does not feel safe with this person and understands that there's danger present and that's where I think a very distinct line between coercion comes because

Emily (Coach)their night their mind goes numb they get brain fog they start to disassociate from their body um their afterwards their body can even shake or feel psychological and um physiological symptoms because they realize that they

Emily (Coach)were in shutdown and fight or flight mode it's literally fight or fight flight or freeze freeze this is one of those responses. >> And so, >> yeah, like you know, again, like um there's a difference between a

Emily (Coach)relationship dynamic where somebody feels safe to say no and like be like, "No, just like [ __ ] off. We're not having sex tonight." in a relationship that's built on a series of events or a relationship pattern where they don't

Emily (Coach)feel safe to be honoring their boundaries and where it's becoming expected and almost conditioned for a person to respond and not have any parties boundaries honored and that's

Posswhere I think coercion is. >> Did you ever feel like you were in danger from him? >> Um, I wouldn't say in danger. I didn't think

Nyxhe was ever going to like harm me, but I definitely like I guess I felt in danger in the sense that like I every time I hung out with him, I knew he was going to ask for sex and so I felt unsafe and uncomfortable around him, but I never

Brian Atlas>> He's your like You're dating the guy. Isn't it kind of expected that he's going to ask to have sex, right? >> Well, yeah. It's not a bad thing that he asked for sex. It's just that I knew

Emily (Coach)even if I said no, like it was going to happen. Were there any instances of other cases or scenarios where he would violate your boundaries and you felt like you couldn't say no? >> In in what way?

Emily (Coach)>> I mean, it could be anything in the little things like um >> like about like how he interacted with you on dates, how he responded to other boundaries around your family, around your friends. >> I would say I don't know, this sounds a

Nyxlittle bit stupid, but yeah, you would kind of I would be like, "Can you tell me if you talk to girls?" And he'd be like, "No, that's stupid. Why are you like and I guess that was like a boundary in my way. >> I'm just Okay. So,

Brian Atlas>> you never gave a consensual BJ. >> No. >> But he also never physically forced you to do it. >> No. >> You were coerced. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> And that would involve him like asking you a couple times. >> Mhm. >> And being mopey >> sometimes. that was the method he chose.

Brian Atlas>> I'm going to go ahead and say that's a really terrible dynamic and men should not be I guess sometimes they use the term sex pest or whatever.

NyxI don't know if this meets the legal definition of essay. >> Sure. It was violating to me. I felt really uncomfortable. I felt like I was not being respected. But this is only one of the scenarios. There were other

Brian Atlasscenarios where I was definitely like I just didn't want to. >> But he didn't fit. I guess like when we're when I think of coercion, I'm

Nyxthinking of like threats, intimidation. >> Do you want like my worst example? >> Uh, >> it's not violent. It's just very uncomfortable.

Brian Atlas>> Is the Sure. But really quick question on that. Is the that the worst example? Was that pretty common? Well, I guess not if it was the worst. >> If it was the worst one. I don't know. This is also just the worst one that I can remember. There were definitely

Nyxtimes where I'm just like I can't remember it at all. Um, but this one it was his birthday and then I like started the day by saying like, "Hey, I know it's like your birthday and everything, but I really really don't want to have sex today. Like I just feel really

Nyxreally bad today. I really don't want to." And he's like, "Sure, of course." >> We hang out. It's like we spend the whole day together. We're with his friends. He's at we go to the pool with his friends and I guess he starts like trying to make advances and then I'm like, "Hey, like remember what I told

Nyxyou? Like I really kind of really don't want to." And then he's like, "Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course that's fine." Um, but then I was like, "Oh, like I got to go home from the pool now and I don't think we can hang out after cuz I got to shower and everything." And he's like, "Oh, why don't I just drive

Nyxyou to your house and then like I'll just wait for you while you shower." And then I was like, "Sure, if you promise that you won't try anything." And he was like, "Yeah, of course. I'll just take you home." I get in the shower and then he's like, "Hey, can I watch you shower?" And I'm like, as long as you

Nyxpromise you don't do anything, I really don't want to. And I think you can see where the rest of that goes. >> Okay. >> Unless you need me to elaborate. >> Um,

Brian AtlasI don't know. Women on the panel. Do you think that that's SA? I think it could be. I think that that could be I think that could be essay. Um,

Nyx>> I think that there is a better example of like what is possibly actually >> there was definitely like more subtle moments where like it was just like talking me into it or like not really asking for my consent or like looking

Nyxfor it. But that one was probably definitely the worst like most outward one. >> Not going to hold up in court, but it could be. >> Yeah, because there's no evidence for that. It's just like he she said he

Nyxsaid, you know, that's why I never took it to court. I could see that as a form of conditioning in the relationship. Like conditioning me into being okay with him. >> You stayed with him for two years.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> So there there and you're saying there was like it would be uh on Monday you have consensual sex. Thursday non-consentual

Brian Atlasuh Saturday cons uh consensual Monday non-consensual Wednesday consensual. like that that was the pattern kind of could be. >> Yeah, it could happen like that. Yeah. >> Did you ever talk to him about this

Nyxissue that you were having with him? Like not during sex. >> There were a few times where I were like, "Hey, I don't really like how we treat sex in our relationship." And then he'd be like, "Oh, yeah, of course." And then I'd be like, "Okay, so is anything going to change?" And then like nothing

Nyxwould really change. >> Why did you stay for 2 years? >> Like I said, I just didn't realize how bad it was. And I just like and then by the time I did realize that it was essay, I was just like I felt like I was in too deep. Like the sunken cost

Nyxfallacy. I was like, I've been with this guy for so long. It's my first relationship. I feel like I really like him. I just wish he would treat me better. And then the breaking point was just I realized he wasn't going to treat me better. So I was like, okay, fine, I'll leave. And then after that, I kind of realize the severity of the

Nyxsituation. >> Yeah. As a gentle reminder, there's people who get hit by their partners who stay for decades. So it's about the >> trauma. You don't know until you're in that situation. Like, it's so much easier to say that you should just leave than actually doing it.

Emily (Coach)>> It literally mimics an addiction. There's dopamine highs where they're giving you attention, love, gifts, affection, sudden withdrawal, cortisol. And >> Might I ask, >> you said you've dated other men before, and you're currently in a new

Nyxrelationship. >> Has this been something that's repeated itself in any of your other relationships? um in ways like I guess that's sort of

Nyxcarried over into I don't know I'm very assertive now when I don't have want to have sex and then I make sure I don't end up having sex but it has happened in the past where >> with other with other men

Nyx>> feel yeah I just get like I get kind of passive and I'm like I don't really want to have sex but like I guess I should cuz he's asking and he wants to and I think that just comes from this relationship

Brian Atlas>> what you just described there though. Would you categorize that as SA? >> I don't know if those situations were SA because they definitely weren't as coercive as him.

Nyx>> Okay. >> So, he would he was nagging you. Like he was really being mopy. >> Actually, now that I now that I think about it, my second relationship, I feel like he was a little more like manipulative about it. Kind of. I don't know.

Nyx>> Manipulative about it. >> I don't know. I would just It's so complicated. It was a really weird relationship. >> What about your current >> I haven't I haven't felt that with him. >> But you have you have had consensual sex

Brian Atlas>> with him. >> Okay. You've and all the sex you've had with him has been consensual. >> Yes. >> Okay. But you have experienced this sort of thing with other men. >> Yeah. Where I felt like I was talked

Nyxinto it. >> Talked into it >> or like you know like sort of >> talked into it. pushed into it or like where they didn't like outwardly ask for

Nyxmy consent and I kind of was passive about it. That sort of situation. Yeah, sure. That's happened a lot. Not a lot. Whatever.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, but so like I'm sure everybody here has had sex whether the for the first time or

Brian Atlaswhether for the hund hundth time with a partner. Did you all ask for affirmative consent before you had sex with them?

Jackie (OF Manager)And if not, did you essay them? Did they essay you? >> I just think if someone says they don't feel like having sex, they should just

Brian Atlas>> No, but she she made a delineation where they don't ask specifically for affirmative consent. >> Well, in those situations, I don't blame them for like that. I wouldn't call that

Nyxsexual assault, but I would definitely say that it was a little uncomfortable. Like it's different if you know I don't say anything and then I'm just like go about it as usual. But if I'm dead eyes just like laying there completely dead pan and I'm not responding to you, shouldn't you be a little like shouldn't

Nyxyou be a little attentive to that and be like, "Oh, maybe she doesn't want to. Did I even ask or like did I check with her?" >> Well, question. Did you ever have like the you did consent at some points with the one boyfriend?

Nyx>> Yeah, like I would initiate. I'd be actively enthusiastic about >> You would be enthusiastic. Yeah. Okay. All right. >> Cuz some women can be what is it? Pillow princess or what is it? What's the term? >> Yeah, pillow princess where they just

Nyxlike >> it's like it's definitely they're consenting but they're not >> Yeah, but they're still active. They're still enthusiastic about it, aren't they? They're still like engaging with you, aren't they?

Poss>> I've like hooked up with a guy before that also was like the worst one, but um I was like on top. Mhm. Like whatever in cowgirl and I look down at his face and

Posshe's like completely like dead face. >> Was he engaged with you otherwise? >> Cuz low key some guys just be doing that like >> so like >> it's not that he wasn't enjoying himself. >> Seems like you said him pause.

Nyx>> No, he initiated. >> I know. But seems like you might have said him pause. Just saying. I'm saying like if they're not engaging with you, if they're not enthusiastic about it at all, if they're not present, then like

Nyxthat should that should set off as like that should be a signal to you. But like if in that situation he was just dead pan but he was otherwise responding like some guys just be doing that. >> I think it's just how he is. >> Exactly. Like that just be happening.

Brian AtlasBut how would you differentiate necessarily like what if the woman like some women might experience uh like physical pain during sex for example and some women are like super timid

Brian Atlas>> but it's like clearly like she's given you affirmative consent but like her demeanor would mirror that to some degree of like the timidity that you expressed when you were

Nyx>> then then she gave you consent. What I'm saying is if she starts acting like that and you realize that you didn't outwardly ask for consent, like it's not a bad thing to check, but it's also like if you didn't check, that's kind of

Brian Atlas>> I guess the I don't know the affirmative consent thing though. It's like, well, if it if you don't get affirmative consent,

Nyx>> I don't think that you need >> I think you can still consent even if there wasn't affirmative consent. >> Yeah, there's non-verbal consent like actively engaging with you and like you know if the act or if the act is mutual

Brian Atlasand you're both [ __ ] going at it that's >> well that's uh that is a I'm I don't know like the non-consensual BJs though that's

Brian Atlasconfusing because you you have to be an active participant to to give a BJ >> not necessarily you want me to be explicit >> oh like face [ __ ] okay all right that's Fair.

Nyx>> That is fair. Yes. I guess you could just >> just [ __ ] sat there and took it, bro. >> Yeah. I don't know. I was I was just zoning out and I'm like, "Okay, I guess."

Brian Atlas>> Look, I don't know. I don't know what the threshold is for some of these things. The situation though sounds >> I don't know if it passes over the threshold. The situation though sounds [ __ ] terrible.

Brian Atlas>> Like like you want your partner to be enthusiastic. You want your girlfriend or boyfriend, you want them to [ __ ] to to you want them to [ __ ] >> But like this is exactly why so long because I was just like I don't know. It

Nyxtook me so long to realize it because of because of that reason. Like >> also honestly gentlemen, if your girlfriend ain't enth

Brian Atlasenthusiastic about it, that's a wrap. You got to find a You can't No. Oh god. >> You don't be pushy with that [ __ ] Don't be pushy with that [ __ ] gentlemen.

Brian AtlasDon't be a little [ __ ] Be a real G and jerk off when she leaves. >> Um, anyways. All right, moving on. Moving on. >> Much preferred. >> All right, you got to you got to do some OG penitentiary [ __ ] and just

Brian Atlas>> thought you were going to say pen >> masturbating. >> Oh, hell no. Not again. >> You just got to [ __ ] or find another woman. Um, anyways. Okay, moving on. Just a couple more things from the questionnaire. Oh, uh, women are pressed

Nyxin the USA. Why is that? How's that? >> I just said that because I was thinking like, oh, if we have to put laws in place to make sure that they're not oppressed, that's they're probably being oppressed. >> Yeah. How how though? How are women

Nyxoppressed in the USA? >> Um, well, I think like the whole you can't like refuse to hire someone based on their sex or gender. I think that's definitely part of it. That's like one example, >> but there's a law against it.

Brian Atlas>> Exactly. I was thinking like since we had to put laws in place, they were I don't know. I wasn't thinking of these questions very black and white. >> Okay, that's fine. Uh you also women do not have equal rights to men in the USA to which

Nyx>> that's again I was thinking like since we had to put those laws in place. >> Yeah. But so what rights do men have that women don't today >> today? Yeah. >> Well I was saying like the laws were

Nyxwere put in place already to try to ensure that we had equal rights.

Jackie (OF Manager)>> I mean >> you also circled that one. Yeah, I understand. I also wasn't thinking of it so black and white and now I have one brain. So, >> all right. So, so just to be clear,

Nyxclear >> clear >> uh women have equal rights in the USA. You would affirmatively state that. >> I would say like from a legal

Nyxstandpoint, yes. But I'm I can't say for sure that like actively we do. >> What about you? >> I agree. Like as far as like laws go, Munda. Wonderful. Okay. Let's

Nyx>> technically not though. >> Isabella, you're going to read these for us if you can, please. >> All right. >> Well, can you call that equal rights though if men don't have to like deal with abortion? Men don't have to deal with abortion, you know?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, >> but it's just the law like different. >> My quick rebuttal though is that men don't have reproductive rights. So, it wouldn't I don't think an inequality

Brian AtlasWell, an inequality exists in the way that you don't think it does. So I think women have a right as it relates to reproduction that men don't. So if you actually wanted to create equality

Brian Atlasbetween men and women, the way you would actually create true equality would be to completely walk back all abortion rights for women. Then they would be equal between men and women. That would

Jackie (OF Manager)be equal. >> Well, what about like the fact that men can just go in and get a vasectomy, but if a woman wants to get her tubes tied >> Oh boy, this one. You have to have >> this is like Yeah. Yeah. You're saying like you need to get the husband's

Jackie (OF Manager)permission or something >> in most cases. Not every doctor's like >> Is this even true? Is anybody in the medical field? I've never >> I could >> I have friends that have been turned down because they're not married or they

Brian Atlasdon't have enough kids. >> So, here's what I know is that getting your tubes tied is a more invasive procedure than getting a vasectomy. So I think

Brian Atlaswhat ends up happening is uh feminists will look at this and say well it's way easier for men to get uh to go get a vasectomy whereas it's much more complicated for

Brian Atlaswomen to get their tubes tied. You need to get like maybe a couple follow-up visits. You need to have like a more in-depth consultation. There's like a more invasive surgery. Whereas like for

Brian Atlasthe uh to get the vasectomy it's like pretty quick. I don't think you have to go under general anesthesia. So, I think >> AI says that women don't need

Brian Atlas>> I've I think it's just this feminist myth >> that it's maybe look it's possible in the [ __ ] 50s or 40s or some [ __ ] Yeah, probably there was some like sexism or whatever and the doctors were

Brian Atlaslike, "Are your h is your husband going to be okay with it or whatever." today. I really I don't think it's the case that women have to get approval to get

Jackie (OF Manager)their tubes tied by their husbands. >> But just like you were saying, like getting a vasectomy is less invasive. Why wouldn't just like theoretically speaking?

Jackie (OF Manager)>> Sure. >> If like getting your tubes tied, >> it's not more invasive than forcing to like be pregnant. >> You know what I mean? You have the right to your own body.

Jackie (OF Manager)>> And so like being pregnant also requires follow-up appointments, also requires possibly surgery. >> Does that make sense or no? That's stupid. >> I don't know what the argument is, though. Like, yes, women get pregnant.

PossYeah. >> Yeah. But never mind. Never mind. >> What if you just got an IUD? That's just like 2 seconds up there and then boom, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant. There's like what? Like 1% chance.

Poss>> Yeah. I IUDs are pretty effective. >> Yeah. >> Are they? >> Yeah, there is a lot. >> No, I have one. It's great. >> Poss chilling. >> I'm chilling. >> Great.

Brian Atlas>> Vocal fry. Wonderful. Um, okay, cool. >> Did we read this chat? Did Sorry, did we just read this one? >> Oh, can you read this one for me? Uh, >> yeah, that was very Oh, we read that one. >> Did we read it?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, we read that one. >> Cuz you're like, oh, >> the white male patriarchy abolish global slavery. make up you. >> We read it. >> What about this one?

Isabella (Bio)>> Excuse me, >> Brian. Keep up your good work. We are currently at I don't know how to pronounce that. Air show. The largest fly air show in the world. >> We have Russian chocolates for you guys. The postmodern feminists are still

Isabella (Bio)learning. Again, in the UK, France, and the US changed the global history of slavery. >> Yo, Joe, thank you for these soup chat, man. Really appreciate it. Where's the chocolates, though? Hook it up. We respect Andrew and Rachel joining.

Isabella (Bio)These young ladies are still learning respectfully. The red and blackhaired lady has no idea. She should talk with Andrew. Best of luck to the ladies. Don't put yourself in fight, flight, or freeze. Self-awareness is important.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you, uh, Joe Murphy. Appreciate it, man. Uh, and then BB, thank you for the super chat. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, guys. $100 TTS. Get them in. All right, that's pretty much it for the questionnaire. couple pre-show notes from that you guys submitted. Then we're

Brian Atlasgoing to get this wrapped up hopefully pretty pretty soon. All right. Um Okay, Jack, you're single as f.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, wait. I guess final thing. Wait, hold on. Hold on. >> Uh do you guys think men are insecure for caring about a woman's body count?

Brian AtlasYes. >> Sometimes. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Uh, >> show of hands. Like, do you think it's uh insecure for a man to care about a woman's body count? Just show of hands. Raise him high.

Brian Atlas>> Insecure. He's insecure. Oh my god. He cares about my body count. What an insecure [ __ ] >> No. Yeah. >> Yes. Insecure from Okay. >> I think so. It's important to know that

Nyxyour partner is safe though. >> Faux show. Well, I mean like my question is like if you're not insecure, then why do you care about it? Like genuine question, what other reason is there to care about it? If you're not insecure, >> yeah, there's a whole bunch of reasons.

Brian AtlasI'll get to it in just a moment. >> I would love to. I'm genuinely curious. >> Uh curious though. Okay. You know, we're just going to jump right into it. Uh body count starting with Poss.

Brian AtlasWhat's your body count? >> Oh, um man, I hate repeating it. You got this. Pause.

Brian AtlasIt's been like what? 6 months last time you were on. >> It's been like almost a year. >> It's been almost a year. >> You know, some people know me.

Brian Atlas>> No. You already said it. You already said it. Come on. Be a good sport.

Brian Atlas>> An interesting amount. >> Come on. Pause. Come on. Be a good sport. No, you already know the answer to this. >> I don't I don't remember the girls body counts on the show. >> Oh, that's fair. >> Wait, you know the answer?

Brian Atlas>> I said I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer. >> Wait, pause. Have you lost track? >> Yeah, >> because you you did say the number

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