Anti-Male Red Hair Feminist DESTROYED In HEATED Debate?! Tea App/UBER Reaction! | Dating Talk #253

Date: 2025-07-28

Duration: 8h 35m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBailey (Nursing)>

IIsabella (Bio)>

JJackie (OF Manager)>

EEmily (Coach)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Asia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Poss(guest)

SPEAKER_04Key(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bailey (Nursing)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Nyx(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Isabella (Bio)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jackie (OF Manager)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily (Coach)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentNyx reveals first relationship was coercive/sexually non-consensual

ControversyBrian argues Uber women-only feature is discriminatory, analogizes to racial segregation

Key MomentTea app hacked exposing 70K women. Brian announces 'Tally' counter-app.

Key MomentKey: held captive 4-5 hours by abuser. SWAT called. He got 3 months.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Bailey, Isabella, Jackie, Asia, Nyx, Emily, Key, Poss.

Nyx First Relationship SA

Coercive relationship: car rides as leverage, dissociation, non-consensual encounters.

Uber Women-Only Feature Debate

Brian argues it is discriminatory. Analogizes to racial segregation.

Tea App Data Breach

70K women exposed. Brian announces counter-app Tally.

Body Count Round

Poss 50-70. Key 6. Asia ~10. Jackie 15-20.

Key DV Story

Held captive 4-5 hours. SWAT called. Abuser got 3 months.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> That's not a vagina. And I think it's dismissive and reductive to women who actually have vaginas to call an inverted penis a vagina.

Brian Atlas>> The treatment is to make them have a vagina. I don't know what it I don't know. >> It's not a It's not a vagina, though. >> Okay. >> It It is a hole that is excised in the

Brian Atlaspubic area of a man and the tissue is that of a penis. That's not a vagina. That's an inverted penis. But like would you be able would you be able to tell though? I wouldn't would

Brian Atlasyou I wonder. Like would you be able >> I wouldn't want to find out. But yeah, I could probably tell. >> Yeah, but you don't know that. >> Who knows? >> Wait, hold on. Wait, hold on. But so let's say like somebody who's a virgin

Brian Atlas>> like >> they wouldn't be able to just I don't know learn about it in some other way. Like I just know like well how hold on actually I can just think as a man as

Brian Atlassomebody who has a penis. Yeah. I can think to myself what what would it be like if I insized a hole into this area and I inverted my penis.

Brian Atlas>> I can do draw a comparison from my own experience and think well if if I had an inverted [ __ ] penis that would not feel like [ __ ] as somebody who has felt [ __ ]

Jackie (OF Manager)Have you been a sergeant? >> I'm not a virgin. Okay. I'm a virgin. >> Confused. >> You're confused. How you >> joking? I thought you were a virgin. >> No, that's Nick. Um,

Nyx>> what is a woman? >> Um, I'd say someone that aligns themsself with a feminine identity. >> Okay.

Brian AtlasBut again, couldn't a man whoident identifies as as male or as a man align himself with a feminine identity? >> Mhm.

Nyx>> But still consider himself a man. >> Then he doesn't align with a feminine identity. >> Well, I mean, maybe I'm being a bit man. No, he doesn't align with a feminine identity.

Brian Atlas>> No, but you you agree men can be feminine, right? >> Yeah, of course. So his identity would be feminine, but he is still a man and he views himself still as a man,

Nyx>> then he aligns as a man. >> No, but he aligns with a feminine identity. >> If he You're saying if he thinks he's a man but presents femininely. >> Yeah. So he's like, then that's what

Brian Atlasthat is. >> His identity his identity. He's like, "I'm really really feminine." And that's his identity. But he's still like, "I'm a man, but I I have I'm very feminine,

Nyxand that's my identity as being a feminine person, but I'm I'm definitely a man." >> Then that's not a feminine identity. He presents femininely. That's what you're describing. He presents femininely. And then he's still a man. Yeah. Of course,

Nyxmen can be feminine. >> Okay. then they can identify that they're feminine and they thus they must have a feminine identity. >> The term feminine identity just goes over the umbrella term of people who are trans and don't align themselves with a cisgender identity, but they are still

Emily (Coach)feminine. >> All right, that's fine. Uh, what about you? >> I believe a woman is more than just her chromosomes, but for argument sake, X Y. >> Okay, what about you? >> DNA XY.

Poss>> Okay, pause. What about you? >> The same. But I feel like um you know if a man that was born a man and had the surgery to get a vagina like that to me is still

Brian Atlasa man. >> Oh still if they get the surgery still a man. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Gotcha. All right. Uh so look I I won't linger too long on this topic cuz only one of you are whatever. Uh I at

Brian Atlasleast what I think a woman is adult human female. To your point though, if is it if it's straight for a man to date a transgender woman? I disagree.

Brian AtlasSo what is straight short form slang for? >> Heterosexual. >> Heterosexual. Right. >> So baked into that term heterosexual >> when we're talking about sexuality,

Brian Atlaswe're not talking about gender. We're talking about >> being Yes. It literally uh the definition of it means attraction to the opposite sex or the other sex.

Isabella (Bio)>> Yeah. So, can a male become a female? >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> yeah, their gender can turn from male to female. Yeah. >> Okay. But, but you you do make a delineation between gender and sex, right? >> Like you'd agree there's gender

Brian Atlasidentity. For the sake of conversation, I'll go ahead and grant that a man can become a woman, right? >> I'll just grant it. Uh, can a male

Brian Atlasbecome a female? >> So, you can change your sex. >> Yeah, >> cuz I'm already granting just for the sake of convo. Sure, you can change your gender.

Isabella (Bio)You think people can change their sex? >> Uh, no. >> Well, you just said yes. >> People can change their gender, not their sex, >> right? Male and female pertains to sex, not gender. >> So there's male and what do you mean?

Brian AtlasMale and female gender as well. There's both. >> I'll break it down like this. Gender, man, woman. >> Yeah. >> Sex, male, female. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> A man could become a woman. A woman can be become a male. >> Can a male become a female?

Brian Atlas>> According to your terms, no. >> According >> because male is sex, >> right? Yeah. >> But you agree with my terms. >> Yes. I got to keep that in my head. But yes, >> right. You agree that male and female points towards sex and you don't think people can change their sex? Correct.

Poss>> Mhm. >> Okay. Uh, anybody else here? Can males anybody think males can become female? Just curious. Anybody? >> I have a really interesting thing where I know someone who was born male,

Posstransitioned into female, but is dating someone who was also born male but also identified as now female. And that to them is called, I guess, lesbian. Like, would you agree with that? Cuz to me,

PossI'm just like, >> so >> like just call yourself gay. >> Trans angels. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> They were both born male, but now I identify as female. >> Is that lesbian or gay or >> Oh, they're both female now.

Poss>> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. They're both gay. >> I'd say lesbian. >> Yeah, I agree. Lesbian, >> but without like the the surgery, like how do you identify as >> their sex or their gender? >> I guess both. Well, no. They they

Isabella (Bio)haven't done like any sort of like surgery or you know. >> Yeah. Their sex is man, their gender female. Um their dating terms, a woman and a woman, I'd say lesbian. That's Yeah, that's

Nyx>> I mean I think sexuality is comprised of two parts. It's like your preference of anatomy and then your preference of gender expression. So for me like the question if you're a guy dating a

Nyxtransgender woman, so it's a male to a woman. >> Yes. Yeah. Then in my in that terms I think that you're what's the >> lesbian

Nyx>> gyosexual is the term where you're um attracted to someone who is feminine presenting which is like or like what is it called? I don't know like a micro label. I think that's what it's called. But that's >> micro label. >> Yeah. In the LGBTQ plus community

Brian Atlasthere's like labels that like micromanage everything. >> Yeah. I guess there's a bunch of labels. But when we're talking about heterosexuality, >> when we're talking about we're talking

Brian Atlasabout sex, >> so opposite sex or other sex attraction >> in this case, a transgender woman has not changed their sex, they've changed

Brian Atlastheir gender identity. If straight relates to heterosexuality, uh, if you have two males having sex,

Brian Atlasthat's a homosexual act. I don't care if one of the males identifies as a woman. If it's two males, that is definitionally homosexual. >> Well, are they

Brian Atlas>> are both of them male presenting and male anatomy? >> Male, >> like masculine presenting. >> They're biologically their sex is male >> anatomically too. They haven't gotten the surgery.

Brian Atlas>> That doesn't Just because you chop your penis off does not make you a woman. >> Okay. That's what you believe. Yeah. >> Hold on. I'm sorry. >> If we're talking about gender, that's one thing. But if we're talking about

Brian Atlassex, >> biology is a hard science. >> Sure. >> This is not up for dispute. >> Yeah. >> It's not up for dispute. I know you want to be a science denier over there. Now, you want to deny science.

Nyx>> Never said that. >> That's literally what you're doing. >> I'm saying that sexuality is your anatomy and then your gender expression. Anatomy doesn't necessarily correlate to your sex.

NyxSo, you said that Yeah. You said that you can't go male to female because that's changing your sex. Yeah, sure. But you can go like have the surgery and then there you change your anatomy.

Brian Atlas>> But they're still both male. So that would be regardless of they could both Okay. If >> they both change their They're both trans. They're both trans women. >> I guess this is now lesbian >> and presenting and

Brian Atlas>> yeah, >> anatomy too. My position though is that regardless of your gender identity, I don't care how passing you are. I don't care uh if you've had the bottom surgery, you're still a male at the end

Brian Atlasof the day. And that if two males are dating, regardless of the gender identity, that is a homosexual relationship. >> I just don't agree with that. >> Okay, then make a counterargument.

Nyx>> I mean, like, >> what is wrong with my position? >> I mean, you love to talk about how looks matter. Okay. If so, if you're a guy and then you meet up with a girl, she's very very >> Wait, why did you do Why did you have to do quotes for girl?

Brian Atlas>> Because you want to talk about the scenario of trans women and I know that you >> No, but it's your position that you think that that's a that that that's a woman. >> Yeah. So, I do think that's a woman. >> Yeah, but why air quote it >> for the purpose of the argument so that No. >> Okay. Well, okay. That would benefit my

Nyxside, but Okay. Go ahead. >> Yeah. So, if you're a man and you go out with with a girl >> Yeah. Don't forget the air quotes. >> Yeah. And she

Nyx>> Yeah. She looks like a girl. Everything about her looks like a girl and she has the anatomy for it. And then she later reveals to you that that was surgical. Are you now gay? >> I don't I think you've been essay. >> That's a different argument.

Nyx>> Yeah. But >> essayaid how? >> Yeah. >> He lied about your gender or whatever he thinks. If if there are specific circumstances where I

Brian Atlasthink a deception of this nature reaches the threshold of essay in this case uh I know it's not the actual argument so I won't linger on it long but essentially if I would not have consented to this

Brian Atlassexual encounter on this like really really important paradigm >> okay >> like you've bamboozled me into a homosexual act then yeah I think that That's essay.

Nyx>> Okay, fair. >> Um, in any case though, >> so your position again? >> What >> What What's the What's the position? >> What What are we What topic are we back

Brian Atlason now? >> Well, I I kind of sidetracked there about I consider that like essay cuz you said, "Oh, do I think it's gay?" >> Okay. Now, you said essentially you have

Brian Atlasa transgender woman who's like super passing and they don't tell you prior to having sex, BTW, uh, I'm actually male. >> Oh, do I think it's sexual assault? >> No, no, no. I'm moving off of that. I'm going back to your >> Okay, so then why'd you bring it up

Brian Atlasagain? What? >> No, I thought it was worth worth pointing out that that's [ __ ] atrocious, but >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, my question was, what's the topic that we're back on? >> Yeah. Well, you were making the argument

Nyxfor like you said you disagreed with me >> on We're back to the is it gay thing? >> Anatomy and the relation to >> Yeah. >> What's the argument? >> What is Okay. You're saying

Brian Atlas>> what's the prompt here? There. There we go. What's the prompt? You were saying how you disagree with my position on this and you were trying to say, "Well, how about a situation where

Brian Atlasshe's super passing, the transgender woman is super passing, uh has had the bottom surgery, looks like a woman, blah blah blah, all the acts like a woman, talks like blah, all this [ __ ]

Brian AtlasWhy is she not a woman?" >> I never said that she wasn't a woman. >> No, you were the one. >> You're asking me that, right? >> Yeah, >> you're asking me that. So, I think >> Well, no, I wasn't even asking that. I

Nyxwas just saying I don't think it's gay. >> It Okay. So, would it be gay prior to bottom surgery from your perspective? >> I think it would be a different sexuality, not necessarily gay, because

Nyxlike I said, I think that sexuality is dependent on both anatomy and gender preference. >> Okay. Question for you. >> Um, assuming you didn't know the people's gender identity, >> how would you not know their gender

Brian Atlasidentity? That's their expression. That's how they present. Hold on. So, the two people in question have penises, so it's pre-operative, >> but you haven't talked to them, and

Brian Atlasyou're, I don't know, they're across a football field, and you see, you see a dude like, well, you don't know their gender identity, but you see two people with penises and they're having, >> huh?

Brian Atlas>> I see their penises. >> You see, >> yeah, they're [ __ ] naked. They're [ __ ] on the football field, beautiful, but they're all the way in the [ __ ] end zone. All the way in the end zone.

Brian Atlas>> I'm going to be jealous. >> You see them h engaging in both oral and anal sex. >> Yeah. >> Two penises. >> Mhm.

Nyx>> Is that a homosexual act? >> I don't know their sexualities. I don't know. >> You know, you know they both have penises. >> Sure. Yeah. They both have penises. I don't know. They both look male. Bro,

Brian AtlasI'm just curious. If genitals don't define gender, how does removing them affirm it? >> Like gender affirmative surgery.

Brian Atlas>> What are you? >> They probably want to be like everyone else, you know. >> But okay. Can Can somebody identify as a transgender woman if they still have a penis? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So then if that's the case, I I'm just confused here because in the situation you presented, >> if gend if the genitals don't define gender, because you're saying they could still be a woman but still have a penis.

Nyx>> Mhm. >> Why would removing the penis affirm it? Why even need to remove the penis? >> Because that's just gender affirmative surgery. Some people feel more comfortable like >> it's more affirmative because you want

Jackie (OF Manager)to look like >> Yeah. It helps you feel more aligned with the identity that you have. I just feel like it's their choice and if you're not doing it, it's really none of your business. That's how I feel about like people who get surgery is it's not

Jackie (OF Manager)affecting me. So >> yeah, um >> whatever makes them happy. Like I don't really care that much. >> Wait, so question with the the football

Brian Atlasfield one you see >> you see two individuals with penises engaging in sex. You don't know their gender identity. Would you categorize that sex act as homosexual?

Nyx[Music] >> I'd say it's gay in the sense that we've called the whole LGBTQ plus community gay. You know, the way it's that's an umbrella term. >> That's definition though.

Brian Atlas>> So wait, uh how about this? But after witnessing this and you've made the categorization of it being gay, you come to learn uh retrospectively that the uh

Brian Atlasuh the gender identity of one of the males they're transgender woman. Do you now retroactively state that the sexual act that took place is now what is it?

Nyx>> It's still gay. >> Wait, hold on. >> I never said that this was straight. I always said that it was gay. You wait. You think it's

Nyx>> Do I think that a cis male having sex with a transgender female or transgender woman is straight? That was the question. >> Yeah. Is that >> I disagreed? >> I think it's a different sexuality. >> What are you arguing about?

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. You just You checked my form. You saw that I didn't agree. >> No, I know. But you started like debating on it. You started >> Yeah, cuz I don't think that it's gay. I think it's a different sexuality. Like I don't

Jackie (OF Manager)>> Okay, >> wait. I have a question. So, it's two people having sex >> on top. I just classify that as public indecency personally. So, like >> I classify that as [ __ ] weird.

Brian Atlas>> It's a little strange in general. It's like a weird scenario, but >> I get what you're trying to say. >> Trying to see if I How about I'm going to give three three uh scenarios and you tell me what you think. A sis man giving

Brian Atlasoral sex to a transgender woman with a penis. Is that heterosexual or homosexual?

Isabella (Bio)This is for Isabella, I guess. >> Um, the act the act of the act is gay. >> The act is gay.

Isabella (Bio)>> Yeah. The act of giving an um head to a dick if you're a guy. >> I have a question. Do you think that you can commit gay acts and still be

Nyxstraight? >> Can you commit gay acts and be straight? >> Experiment. Yeah. >> Can you experiment to find out? >> Can you [ __ ] around to find out and still be straight? >> Yeah. Is it the same B without song?

Brian Atlas>> Uh I you would probably you'd be categorized as either bisexual if you still have an attraction to women too. >> Uh but typically

Brian Atlasif you have like a pre like a prediliction for penis then you're probably gay or by >> if you do it once for the plot are you gay? >> And then you don't like it. I mean, I'm

Brian Atlaswilling to I suppose it's if somebody had >> So, you're saying they they've had a pattern of only having dated women after and they don't have any attraction

Bailey (Nursing)towards men. >> Yeah. So, let's say a man and they date women. Yeah. And they hooked up with a guy one time to test it. >> I would say they're straight, but that specific act was homosexual and they did

Nyxengage in a homosexual act. Okay. >> So then to answer the question that you asked us, you would also think that it's straight in the that person is straight. >> They engage in the homosexual act >> in that specific moment. They're definitely

Brian Atlas>> they engage in a homosexual >> in that specific moment, but like >> 5 years later, they haven't had any sexual encounter with a man. They don't they're not attracted to men. They've

Brian Atlasonly dated women. I'd say they're straight, but they were definitely gay then. >> Maybe in that moment, right? In that moment. for >> that's some gay that was some gay [ __ ] >> I have a question for you then. So, how

Brian Atlasdo you feel about men that get pegged by women? >> Do you think that that was not a homosexual act? >> Question. >> So, it's not a homosexual act. It's not

Brian Atlasa homosexual act. Not my cup of tea. I wouldn't do it. I don't. No. Thank you. >> Do you think it's homoerotic? >> How do you define homoerotic? >> Homoerotic is just like gay tension basically.

Brian AtlasUm, >> do you think it's gay to want butt stuff? >> Well, there's a G-spot in >> Exactly. >> I wouldn't sit if if it's a woman doing it to you, I wouldn't say it's gay. Uh, but it's

Nyx>> But if your homie told you that he was doing that on the download, would you be like, "Bro, you're gay." >> I would have questions. I might have questions. I might be a little

Brian Atlassuspicious, but if if the woman's doing it, it's not gay. But um I I that's not something I'm I'd kind of laugh at him maybe a little bit. I'd be like, "Damn, what the fuck?" >> Like it's a bit

Brian Atlas>> you kinky. >> A little uh not my thing, I guess. >> But is it technically gay? No, it wouldn't be gay because it would have to involve two males. >> Mhm. >> It would have to involve two males.

Nyx>> So what if that girl pegging him put on like a short guy's wig and then drew on a beard? Would you start saying that shit's gay? >> No, that would still be that would still be straight. >> So you So you agree that like gender identity has a lot to do with your

Brian Atlassexuality? >> No, but she's still female. >> Okay. >> So she's female outside. >> Exactly. She's male presenting, but then she still identifies as >> you acknowledge that there are like

Brian Atlaswomen who identify as women, but they're like tomboys or they even come like they look more masculine. >> But it doesn't mean that their gender identity is that of a man. >> I was just trying to [ __ ] with you, man.

Brian AtlasIt wasn't like that to you. I I don't think it's that deep. I'm just having the conversation. Uh how about this scenario? A sis man having penetrative anal sex with a transgender

Brian Atlaswoman. Is that heterosexual or homosexual? >> Call it queer. Like that's another thing. Why? What are we doing with all these labels? Like

Brian Atlas>> Well, it's we would be doing a a distinction of it's not these things or it's not that thing basically.

Brian AtlasOkay, last one. A lesbian a lesbian lesbian lesbian sis woman being

Brian Atlaspenetrated by a transgender woman with a penis. Is that a lesbian sex act? >> Oh, >> so remember two lesbians. Two lesbians.

Brian Atlas>> A lesbian. >> Bro, are you looking at a trip? >> A lesbian being penetrated by a penis. How could

Brian Atlasthis ever ever be a lesbian sex act? >> Well, lesbians play with dildos. >> Yeah, but a dildo a dildo is not attached to a the human being. >> That's true.

Brian Atlas>> Even better. >> A dildo is an inanimate object that doesn't have a gender or a sex. >> Did it tell you that? [Laughter]

Brian AtlasI'm asking though, a lesbian sis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis. Are you willing to say that this is a

Brian Atlaslesbian sexual encounter? >> It's definitely not normal. >> What's that? >> It's um it's a hetero act. >> Hold on. But the it's it's

Isabella (Bio)>> I don't know. I don't think lesbian act. What do you mean lesbian act? No. Well, I'm lesbian >> like gay act or like homosexual act. >> Like is it lesbian sex?

Brian Atlas>> It's two women. >> It's lesbian. Is it gender? >> Well, it's a it's a >> female on female sex. No, >> it's a sis woman. A sis woman being penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> It's a lot of sex talk. >> I don't know why you getting so excited over It's kind of weird. That's crazy. >> That's the one bringing it up. >> That's so crazy. Um, all right. Moving on to the next thing here. Let's see.

Brian AtlasUh, H. Uh, you scribbled something, Jackie. >> I think I wrote the wrong thing. >> Okay, that's fine. Uh, which one's next?

Brian AtlasOne sec. We're going to do ah, pause. 16. Women can't be sexist towards men. Why is that? >> Wait. >> Oh. Um,

Brian Atlas>> 16. Women can't be sexist towards men. You agree? Why is that? I I forget. I don't think I did that one right. Um >> Okay. Well, all right.

SPEAKER_01>> Vector donated $100. >> Thank you, man. >> If a trans woman is a woman, then she is not a trans woman. Why use the term trans? And if a trans woman is a woman,

SPEAKER_01why is a woman not a trans woman? Perhaps a man is a fallopian tube. Holy crap, dicks. >> Holy crap, dicks. Can a trans woman transition

Brian Atlasinto a trans man? >> It can go backition. >> Dr. Transansition. Yeah. >> Yeah. But why can't a trans woman become a trans man? >> You've already went trans once. You're not >> snip snap transitioning.

Isabella (Bio)>> Snip snap. Okay. Uh Vector, thanks for the uh thanks for that. Appreciate it. Uh Isabella, can you read this one? In one of the Warren Smith videos, he asked if a male who identifies as a woman should receive the same legal

Isabella (Bio)access as a female. Do you agree or disagree? Should a female who identifies as a man have to register for selective service? >> Okay. So, do you agree or disagree? Um,

Brian Atlasshould they receive the same privileges? Do should trans women receive the same priv privileges as biological women? Show of hands. >> Wait, what was the question we have?

Brian Atlas>> Oh my god, bro. Um, how about this with the Uber thing that we were talking about before? >> Should a transgender woman have access to the women's preference thing?

Nyx>> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Just curious for the women at the table, would you feel more comfortable being picked up by a transgender fe uh trans excuse me, transgender woman Uber driver or a ma uh man?

Nyx>> Transgender woman. >> You'd feel more comfortable with transgender woman. Okay. >> Just personally, I don't know. >> Okay. >> I person you know my answer. I don't care who picks me up. I go home. >> I don't think >> I don't think I'd have like a preference

Brian Atlashonestly. >> Okay. Well, that was interesting though, the Uber thing. Like, okay, if you identify as trans to I don't know. Can you

Brian Atlasget do the woman's preference thing? I guess technically you could. Nothing in there says they can't. Um, all right. We have,

Brian Atlaslet's see. Uh, Isabella, you say that there's a gender wage gap. Jackie say there's a gender wage gap. Oh, wait. Hold on. Wait. Rewind. Nyx, uh, you said

Nyxminorities can't be racist towards white people. Why is that? >> Because I think that our current understanding of what racism is has been like redefined in such a way that that

Nyxmakes that the truth. Like obviously our understanding of racism before. Yeah. Now it's um >> what was our understanding of racism before and what's our understanding of racism now? just like before I feel like

Nyxthe definition used to be geared more towards prejudice uh to like any person of any race for like I guess whatever reason but now especially after the BLM movement it's been restructured to be

Brian Atlasmore centered towards like minorities that are um oppressed like you know they don't have enough as much power as the >> I see yeah >> okay question for you though when it comes to definitions

Brian Atlaswould you would you say that the following definition I'm about to for racism maps onto reality. I think what racism is, anybody,

Brian Atlassomebody is a racist if they are a Filipino with red hair. Does that map onto reality?

Brian Atlas>> What about that makes them racist? >> That's the definition. >> Oh, you're proposing our definitions always correct. Well, I'm just I'm

Brian Atlassaying if I change the definition or my definition of racism is uh Filipinos with red hair are racists, are you now just a racist? >> Does it map on to does it map on to

Nyxreality? >> If at that point you create that definition and then it's widely accepted by society and it's becomes a cultural norm, then yeah, I think so because language like evolves with the culture. So if that's what the culture is

Brian Atlasfeeling, then that's the definition. >> Okay. So you're approaching it like these words are just social constructs >> basically. Are they not? >> So like big booty Latina could at one

Brian Atlasday like the definition could change and it it refers to like a white guy. >> Yeah. Language evolves. >> Okay. Big booty Latina will evolve into referencing white men. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Just just making sure we're on we're on the same page. Um okay. Uh so I guess again though

Brian Atlasknowing that you've have a different definition of what racism is. Uh can you explain I guess why it is that minorities can't be racist towards white people. [Music]

Brian Atlas>> My reasoning for that just like that's the definition. >> But I don't think your definition is widely accepted. >> I think that's what the push has been in

Brian Atlasrecent years. But I don't think if you were to pull most people, they would accept the this new definition of racism, which is, correct me if I'm wrong, prejudice plus power.

NyxIs that your definition? >> Or tell us your definition of racism. >> The way that I understand it from just like what I've seen in recent years,

Nyxit's just like minorities that are um I guess minorities are just like more susceptible to oppression than white people. and white people have power over

Brian Atlasminorities. That's just the way that our society has been structured. >> Okay. And you think a majority of people agree with this new definition? >> I would say so from what I've seen and heard. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I would be pretty I think hardressed if we were to do some sort of representative poll of people that would adopt this new definition of racism. I think you ask most people, they're going to say it would be prejudice towards any

Nyxrace. prejudice towards somebody on the basis of their race. Doesn't matter if you're black, doesn't matter if you're white. >> I mean, I don't disagree with that because again, language evolves. Like, that's the language of the people that I surround myself with. That's the

Brian Atlaslanguage of people that's you surround yourself with. That's >> right. But you you you alluded to if there's a consensus or widespread acceptance of a definition. So, for example, you could you'd agree that you

Brian Atlascould be in like a really insular community and that could be the definition, but it wouldn't actually be indicative of a widespread acceptance of that particular definition. >> Like you probably lean like probably

Brian Atlasmore liberal, I'm assuming, more progressive, >> maybe leftist or something. I don't know. >> So, >> sure. Yeah, probably in your circle that could be the case. Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> I don't even think this seems to be a much more more leftist position. I don't even think a lot of mainstream Democrats necessarily even agree with your

Nyxposition though. >> Sure. I think yeah, cultures Yeah. language evolves within cultures. >> Okay. >> When I say the culture that means like >> Yeah. Like most people understand the

Brian Atlasculture to mean like the whole world, but like the culture can also be like smaller communities. >> Well, can I ask you? You also didn't circle for so women can't be sexist towards men. You can women be sexist towards men?

Nyx>> I think the definition of sexism still hasn't progressed to just mean like women are oppressed. I think you can definitely be prejudiced towards women. >> Can you be sexist towards men? >> I think at this point prejudice and sexism are like equal. I don't think

Nyxwe've >> as it relates to sexism. >> Yeah, I think the definition of sexism is still like >> but racism. No, >> no, I feel like they're on two different

Brian Atlaspaths right now. >> Okay. Um,

Brian Atlasyou do you think um even though uh how do I frame this? You think that uh the oppression that

Brian Atlasracial groups has faced is uh bigger than oppression women have faced? >> I never said that, but um you're just asking if I do think that. >> Sure. I guess

Brian Atlas>> if I think >> Yeah. Do you think racial racial groups um let's just say black people their oppression throughout history has been worse than the oppression women have faced throughout history?

Nyx>> I think they're comparable in their own ways. comparable. >> I don't think one is worse than the other. Like they face very different things. >> What about um

Brian Atlasuh I I suppose would would you consider this position of yours to be date specific? >> Like time period specific. >> Yeah. Say like in the United States during slavery like were women just as

Nyxoppressed as >> Yeah. Definitely blacks? >> Definitely. Whoa. That was >> Whoa. What? >> No, never mind. Some people say that that's problematic to say it that way, but anyways. Um,

Nyx>> instead of black people. Okay, whatever. >> Let's just people say that, but >> whatever. It's not. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. >> Um, yeah, like I said, language evolves with the culture through the times.

Jackie (OF Manager)>> Yeah, but okay. Were women more oppressed than blacks during slavery? >> No. >> No. Cuz like not a lot of people have been killed just because they're women, but like

Brian Atlas>> Well, no. I mean, not always. You mean like back in that time? I feel like if we're comparing it to then, >> isn't blacks just plural of black? Do you prefer you you you're af you're on

Brian Atlasthe African-American train? Is that >> I'm not black, so I can't say that. >> No, but you wouldn't you wouldn't say black people. Like, is saying black people offensive? >> No, I would say black people. >> Yeah. H how do you say the plural? Like,

Brian Atlaswell, I guess it's black. >> Black people. That's the plural. >> People is black person. Okay. Sure. Black person. black people. >> I personally, somebody I think saying

Brian Atlaslike a >> All right, chat. Is blacks offensive? I >> I didn't say it was. I said people think it is. >> Okay. Do you think it's offensive? I mean, >> I'm not black, so I can't have an opinion on that.

Brian Atlas>> How would you not be able to have an opinion on that? >> Because it doesn't affect me personally. I have no connection to that. >> Why would that matter? >> Because it doesn't matter to me personally. It doesn't matter. >> But hold on. Just because you're not black, like >> I just don't think that slavery is bad.

Nyx>> Obviously, I think slavery is bad. >> Yeah, but you're not black, so why are you allowed to have an opinion on it? >> Because slavery affects all different races. I don't think black people are the only people that experienced slavery >> in the United States. >> Yeah, sure. In the United States, >> it was predominantly black people.

Brian Atlas>> What about the rest of the world? >> Well, we're talking about the United States, but >> are we talking about the United States? That was never clarified. >> Well, okay. If you want to go global, then I'm just going to like >> Guys, guys, stop. Um, if we're going to

Brian Atlasgo global, then I'm just going to say white people are a minority in the in the world. >> Sure. >> We're literally a racial minority. Every other race, whether if you're looking at

Brian AtlasAsian, you're looking at black, you're looking at uh like Arabic, whatever, we are a racial minority in the world. >> Okay. >> So, under this dynamic, given that we're a minority, isn't it quite quite

Brian Atlaspossible that white people can experience racism? >> Sure. In their communities. Yeah. White people can experience racism in >> in their communities where they're the minority.

Brian Atlas>> So you're saying like for example China, if I went to China, I could experience racism, anti-white racism in China. >> Sure. Because that's Yeah. >> Okay. What about if I went to Africa? I went to Nigeria. Could I

Brian Atlas>> And you were like the only white person there. Sure. >> I mean, I guess there could be other white people there, but >> there's like tourists or whatever. >> Sure. But could I could a white person experience racism in Nigeria?

Nyx>> Well, sure. Yeah. Like I said, like the word racism will have different definitions, different connotations in different cultures. So, if you're in the Nigerian culture, then >> ah,

Brian Atlas>> but how about this though? >> Let's say I go to Nigeria and I can I be racist towards the black people in Nigeria? >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. But the government and the system is made up of black people who they have systemic and systematic and uh what's the other term? Institutional

Brian Atlaspower in the country. I don't have white people don't have any power in Nigeria. How can I possibly ever be racist in a country? Like how can I be racist towards them? >> That's not your culture.

Brian Atlas>> But hold on. >> Your cultural definition of racism is different. But so if if you're saying that white people are the dominant culture in the United States, then shouldn't it follow based off of your own logic that black people can be

Brian Atlasracist towards white people even though white people are the dominant culture? >> No. But so how can I go to an Asian country

Brian Atlaslike China or wherever I go to Nigeria and I'm act like you say I can be racist towards the nativeborn people the the people in that country I can I can be

Brian Atlasracist towards them but I don't have power they have power. How can I be racist towards them? They have the power. >> That's not your cultural definition of racism.

Nyx>> No but I'm using your definition. I'm using your logical framework. >> So, you're saying, "Sorry, I forgot to listen to what you were saying. I'm not even >> No, I can summarize it super quick." So,

Brian Atlasbasically, you're saying, "Yes, Brian, if uh you if you go to these other countries, if you go to these other countries, >> you can be even though you're a white man, they have the institutional power, they have systemic power, they run the

Brian Atlasgovernment, they're a majority in the country, they can be racist towards you." But you said like let's say I decided to beat up a I went to I went to

Brian Atlasuh Mongolia and I just I really you know hypothetically I'm I love Mongolians but I don't know whatever I don't know why I'm saying this. I went to Mongolia I was like you know what I'm going to beat up a Mongolian cuz I don't like them. >> That's [ __ ] up, >> right? It would be racist, right? That

Brian Atlaswould be racist, right? >> Yeah. >> Even though don't have institutional power, no systemic power, they have the power. They're the majority. So then I ask, if that is the case, if I can go to

Brian Atlasanother country and be racist towards them, why can't even though white people are the dominant whatever in the United States, why can't black people who are I guess the minority in the country, why

Brian Atlascan't they be racist towards white people? >> Isn't that what I said? Black people are the minority. So >> you said black people can't be racist towards white people in the United States, >> right? But then for your example with the Mongolians,

Brian Atlasum, >> right? But so you're but it's like a differential here. I can be racist towards them >> even though they're the dominant uh culture, dominant group, dominant race.

Isabella (Bio)Excuse me. >> Are you not following? >> I think she was saying cuz I think that white you could be I think um that you can be racist to a white person. But

Isabella (Bio)anyways, her her framework is that your cultural like belief system is from America. So you have this American cultural belief system, your framework, and then you go to Mongolian and you

Isabella (Bio)slap them. You already have your American ideals in your head. >> That's what she's saying. Does >> Does that make sense for her? That's for her framework. Does that make sense though? >> No, not really.

Brian Atlas>> But I don't know if the cognitive dissonance is kicking in here. Um, again though, I'm trying to Can a Can a Asian person be racist towards a white person? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Can a Latino person be racist towards a white person? >> No. >> Can a black person be racist towards a white person? >> No. >> To be to be clear, we are talking about the US right now.

Poss>> Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. Coming from an Asian person, I have been very racist in a like friendly way

Brian Atlastowards my very white friends. >> Can is that an oymoron? Racist and friendly. >> The most slurs. Poss just drops slurs all the time. It's crazy. She's been on the show before. Anyways, just I'm

Brian Atlaskidding. I'm kidding. Not I'm kidding. Poss. Um >> well, I guess clarifying question here. Mhm. >> Um, >> can an Asian person be racist towards a black person?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Can a black person be racist towards an Asian person? >> Yeah.

Nyx>> Now I'm just confused. Um, >> well, I mean, are we are we ranking races based off their societal power? Well, so is it only the case that the

Nyxonly race that you can't be racist towards is white people? >> Sure. Let me pose this question to you though. Go ahead. >> Do you agree or disagree that white people have more power society in

NyxAmerican society? Like >> Yeah, sure. I'll grant it for the sake of argument. >> Yeah. What would that have to do with like a racism? >> That's just like going with my definition. In the US, white people have

Brian Atlasmore societal power and so >> Sure. Okay, fine. I'll I'm going to bite bite on your definition. So, ju let me just state your definition and you tell me if it's correct. >> Sure. >> Racism equals prejudice plus power.

Nyx>> Is that your definition? >> Prejudice plus power. >> Racism is prejudice plus power. >> Power in sense like societal power. >> Uh,

Brian Atlassure. >> Institutional power. Yeah, sure. Prejudice and power. >> Okay, perfect. So, if I could let you agree that there's blackowned businesses?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. You agree that like some blackowned businesses are major institutions, major systems, and these, you know, they can be making billions of dollars a year. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And the board could be comp uh comprised of uh black entrepreneurs, black businessmen, etc. And these these men are being compensated or women I suppose

Brian Atlascould be compensated uh robustly making millions of dollars a year. >> Sure. >> Okay, cool. Now that we've established that, let's assume that a black corp a

Brian Atlasblackowned corporation didn't want to hire white people. Is that racist? >> In what basis? >> Just because they're white. They want to

Nyxonly hire black people. >> I'm going just say some [ __ ] cuz why not? But um >> no, just give us be good faith. Give us your honest answer. >> Well, if it's a blackowned business and if at every single level of power there is black people, then I feel that it's

Nyxsafe to assume that this is a company meant for black people. Like maybe for the um societal progression of black people, sure. Um to not hire them because they are white. >> Yeah, that's >> in that scenario. I don't think that

Keythat's racist. >> But they're not that >> if it would be racist if white people did that though. If it was a white company meant for the empowerment of white people.

Nyx>> Wait, whoever. Hold on. Business. It's to make money. This >> No, I'm going with my scenario. >> No, the blackowned company. It's not for black empowerment. They happen to >> own. So, they just coincidentally like every single person in this company is black and then the first white person

Brian Atlascomes along and then they don't hire them because they're white. >> It could be a long-standing practice of the business. >> Longing practice. >> How about this? Black CEO doesn't want

Brian Atlasto hire a white janitor because he's white. Is that racist? [Music] >> Sure. I'll bite. Yeah, >> that's racist.

Nyx>> Yeah, because in this scenario then the black CEO has more power because it's a business like >> right >> in the sense of that business that CEO has more power. >> So you can be to like racist towards the

Brian Atlaswhite person. Again I said within the culture >> what would you consider the culture of the company >> as a checkmate she concedes the argu you concede your position then >> next >> okay >> I mean do you but do you concede the

Brian Atlasposition I mean you have to it >> how can you not concede the position when you just granted if a black person has power in their prejudice towards a a white person that meets your even your

Brian Atlastoasted definition of racism >> because in this culture the black person has more power. It's a black company. >> But you do acknowledge that there are

Brian Atlasblack business owners and conceivably they could be prejudiced. Airgo prejudice plus power, racism meets your definition.

Brian AtlasI know the cognitive dissonance is tough, but it meets I don't believe in that definition, but even using your metric, I've just presented to you a clear-cut way in which a black person who has power can be prejudiced against

Brian Atlasa white person. >> I already >> that's racist. >> I already >> by your definition, >> huh? >> I already agreed that you could be racist to a white person in certain cult. >> No, that was in your position. Your

Nyxposition was minorities can't be racist towards white people. we're not the one that like is >> but in that scenario that they're not the minority. >> If it's a black company, then they're not the minority.

Nyx>> Black people are still a minority even if they're business owners. >> If the entire company is black, which is what you said, they are not a minority. >> Well, what if it's a small business? >> If every single member of a small business is black, that still makes

Brian Atlas>> him and his wife. >> Him. That's still two to one, >> right? I'm saying it would be sexist whether it's a big big business, small business. >> Where did the sexism come from? Or sorry, excuse me, I misspoke. Racism. It

Brian Atlaswould be racist. >> Cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance. >> It would it would be uh it would be racist. I Are you disagreeing? I I don't know. Whatever. [Music]

Brian Atlas>> So, question. >> Can people can black people be racist towards white people? >> No. You just Okay. Well, you just said they can be. So, what is it?

Brian Atlas>> Depends on the scenario, I suppose. >> Yeah. Well, hold on. If if it is possible, then >> doesn't make I mean the toilet >> reconcile it toilet.

Brian Atlas>> Was there a point? >> Is there no rec? Okay. You're not going to reconcile your >> contradictory position? >> No. >> Okay. So, black people can be racist, but black people can't be racist towards white people. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Literally, it doesn't make sense. It's a contradiction. >> Mhm. >> It's a contradiction. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] cooked, boys. We're [ __ ] cooked. All right. You know what? Uh,

Brian Atlasthere's more to the list. I'm going to step away. I need a little breather because I'm going to take a little break. This girl This girl's uh I don't know. The concentration are killing me.

Brian AtlasRa, rage quit. Rage quit. All right, go ahead. Talk. Talk amongst yourselves. >> Go ahead, pause. Ask some profound [ __ ] >> Some profound. >> Ask something profound.

Jackie (OF Manager)>> I think we're all just tired now. >> I thought women are known for [ __ ] talking. >> Well, I think we're all a little sleepy. Probably >> Oh, guys.

Poss>> Wait. So, were you like >> like do you actually like think this way or Okay. Okay. >> Just >> Yeah. No. >> No. I hate white people and it's not

Possracist. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, like >> that one more time. >> Chat. Clip that. Clip that. Chat. >> No. If I made someone for like calling them

Posslike Caucasian and like only going to Starbucks for like a coffee, is that like racist or is that >> Sorry, what did you say? Like if I were like like if like if

PossBrian was still next to me and I was saying that like um he only gets his coffee from like Starbucks and he can't handle like spice spicy foods

Poss>> and he's like Caucasian like typical like like white what you think of like a white person the first thing you think of is Starbucks. Wait, >> is that racist? >> Wait, what was what was the racism

Nyxthere? >> It's a microaggression stereotyping. >> Yeah. Where's Wait, where did the racism come from? Wait, you're assuming that Wait, what? >> No, like would you consider that racist? >> If If what

Poss>> if I'm like stereotyping someone because they were white and I just assume that they always go to Starbucks and they can't handle spicy foods and I call them Caucasian or cracker. >> No, I don't think it's racist.

Poss>> Okay. >> Yeah. That was all. Yeah. >> Do you think it's racist? >> I mean, maybe. I think so. >> Yes. Or Yeah. >> Yeah. I definitely think so. I would

Possfeel really mean. >> I don't like being mean. That's what I consider racist. >> Yeah. Just being mean on the basis of race. >> Well, I don't know. Like, >> just just peace and love, guys. Don't be

Possmean. Don't be mean, guys. Peace and love. What? Well, what would be like a worst thing to say to like a white person? >> What is the worst thing you could say to a white person?

Nyx>> Colonizers. >> Is that mean or is that the truth? >> Exactly.

Emily (Coach)>> Oh, great talk, guys. >> This is beautiful. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Any fun dates you guys want to share? interesting once went on a date with a

Emily (Coach)gangster. That was wild. >> You on like a drug deal or what's going on? >> Did you find out after? >> I found out during >> Wait, what do you mean gangster?

Emily (Coach)>> Like Okay, so I was on Please, please, please don't get hit listed for this. Okay, >> there's this guy that I was um that I met out on like an orange circle next to

Emily (Coach)the college and he had like approached me, exchanged numbers, he invited me out. very first time we go out to meet he his cousin is there his sis a sister sister is there um and then somewhere

Emily (Coach)along the date he tells me hey I have to go check on my baby mama and first red flag >> I might by the way I might go to jail tonight I was like what how about you don't go to jail and I had a couple of

Emily (Coach)drinks so I was like tipsy so that should have been my red flag to go um but then I when he left I was with his sister and his sister was talking to this guy. And so we were all talking

Emily (Coach)together and he thought that the guy was hitting on me. So he called up all his gang friends and and like the bar was filled with like six to eight people who were like these gang members and they were like threatening this poor guy in

Emily (Coach)the bathroom and it was like a whole shindig like anyway that's my that's my craziest. >> And you were drunk this whole time. >> I was tipsy. Yeah. I would I would out tweak it the [ __ ] out. >> Yeah. It was a wild experience.

Emily (Coach)>> That would have been rough to deal with. And you just like went home after that? >> Yeah, I just went home. >> Blocked his number. >> Hopefully. >> Not even. >> I didn't. I was scared. I thought I thought they stalked me or something back home. I don't know. But >> I'll clear it. >> Well, now they're going to get you for

SPEAKER_11saying that. >> I know. It's over for me, guys. Nice knowing you cooked. >> Oh my god. Who the hell cares? >> Oh, pause. Why did you press that? That's crazy.

Brian Atlas>> That was so >> so offensive. Um uh let's see. Moving on into the rest of the notes, we have Nicks. Uh, you say men are not the primary victims of war. Well, you agree

Nyxwith the statement men are not the primary victims of war. Why is that? >> Because I think are we taking into the account like why was I think oh women and children? Because I don't know from my point of view like World War II, yeah, there were

Nyxa lot of soldiers. Are we thinking about the comfort women and like all the [ __ ] that was happening with like oh my god in Asia? Um >> okay. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Um, is there any metric by which men can be more victimized than women in your world view? >> Any metric? >> Yeah. >> More victimized than women. >> Yeah. Is it ever possible for a man to be more victimized than a woman?

Brian Atlas>> Sure. >> Like generally speaking, not like a specific man. I'm speaking generally. >> Sure. >> Okay. So, even in war, women are the primary victims. >> I didn't say that. I just

Nyx>> Well, you agree with the statement. >> I just don't think that men are inherently always the primary victims of of war. >> Men Well, men across the board are the primary victims of war. >> You're just you're just saying that

Brian Atlas>> it's true. >> Well, okay. >> So, there could be a guy who is a general and he never sees any battle in war and he's safe. And there could be a

Brian Atlaswoman like a female ace female civilian who like gets bombed and she's dead. >> I'm looking at a generalized view of what war is though.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> So yeah, is it possible in war that a particular woman can have it really really bad and like a particular man doesn't have it bad in war? Sure.

Brian AtlasBut if we're looking at the actual victims, if we're looking at if we start adding everything up, I it's hard to hear a compelling

Brian Atlasargument for how men are not the primary victims given the fact that in every military conflict in human history, men have predominantly been the ones who die, who get injured, who deal with the

Brian Atlastrauma related to and associated with war, post-traumatic stress disorder. This has been called previous things in the past. Shell shock, uh, battle fatigue, all sorts of different things.

Brian AtlasPredominantly men. There's all kinds of atrocities on barbarities that almost exclusively men have experienced as it relates to war. Men are almost throughout all of human history

Brian Atlasexclusively. They're the actual soldiers who witnessed these things, experienced these things. I agree with you that yes during warfare there have been civilian women who have been like essay. Um women

Brian Atlasuh female civilians do die in war. Uh baby boys and baby girls well not babies always just children. So boys and girls also die in war. Um

Nyxgiven that though I'm confused how you would arrive at women are the primary victims of war. >> I never said that. >> Well okay but you agree with the statement. I mean, I was more so going in the direction of like men are not the

Nyxonly victims of war. And I think it's also important to think of like the men in or sorry, the women and the children that also suffer as victims of war. Like what do they suffer from as opposed to the men that are in war?

Brian Atlas>> I'm not I'm not dismissing that women can be victims in war. Children can be victims in war. Absolutely the case. What we're looking at though is who's

Nyxthe primary victim of war. Would you say that getting shot is worse than getting sexually assaulted? Just throwing it out there. >> Uh, I mean, it depends. Depends on the

Brian Atlasnature of the Well, hold on. But let me ask you this. Uh, do you would you kill Would you kill 10 men >> to prevent one woman? Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Sorry. Sorry. I was joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. >> Would you kill 10 men to prevent one woman from being assed? M like dead ass kill them. I mean I >> you don't you don't have to be the one

Brian Atlasthat kills them. You just snap your fingers and 10 men are dead >> to prevent one essay. >> Was the essay violent enough to kill her? >> No, >> she got essayed and she's still alive

Brian Atlas>> casually. >> Yeah, she just she was just essayed. No big deal. But um No, I don't I don't think so. >> Your question was is she dead because of the essay and the answer is no. She's still alive. Well, you said it like it

Nyxwas obvious, but that happens sometimes. >> Okay. But that would be a separate crime of murder. >> Like the essay itself typically this is semantics

Brian Atlasquestion. Okay. The question >> the essay itself on its own does not typically result in death. What? >> Okay. Back to your question. >> There could be a there he could then

Brian Atlasmurder the woman, but the essay itself does not. >> It can. It can. >> There's babies, you know. >> Oh, that's secondary. But um

Brian Atlas>> so would you murder 10 men? Not you don't have to do you just snap their fing. >> Would I cause the death of 10 men? >> Would you cause the death of 10 men to save one woman from being acid? >> If she's not like dying then Yeah. No, I

Brian Atlaswould not do that. >> How about Wait, hold on. How about she dies? >> No, this is literally just the trolley problem. >> Yeah, >> right. Yeah. >> Yeah. But I'm trying to

Brian Atlas>> I'm trying to weigh like the the moral >> Oh, like at what point is an essay bad enough to kill? >> Well, because I'm I'm So here, look, >> how many men do I have to kill to equate to an essay? >> The reason the reason I asked this the

Brian Atlasreason I asked this is because while it is absolutely the case that during wartime women do get essayed, you know, the invading army, uh the soldiers, they'll, you know, essay the the

Brian Atlascivilian population. It is also the case throughout almost all wars wars in human history. But if we look to more recent ones like World War I, World War II, women were absolutely being essayed. There's no

Brian Atlasquestion about it. Totally barbaric. Uh awful crime. One of the worst crimes that you can commit. Uh but more men died during World War II

Brian Atlasthan did women get essayed. Like orders of magnitude more. >> So then while we can acknowledge that women are victims. There are more men

Jackie (OF Manager)who are victims in this scenario. >> I think the difference is that no woman like signs themselves up to be essayed whereas men put themselves in war and they're taking that

Brian Atlas>> plenty of men get forced to war and they had especially World War I, World War II, uh most of them were, you know, there's propag there's war propaganda. they lie about what they're getting

Brian Atlasinto. Um, I would argue that there's, you know, when it comes to informed consent, this sort of thing. I don't really know if a lot of people know what they're signing up to when it came to World War I, World

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