Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30

Duration: 9h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)

SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves

Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm

ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear

Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases

Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions

ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.

Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer

QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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Rachel Wilsonidentity. topic on adult content because it's a kink. Yeah most of the males that transition to female have autogynephilia. They start with fantasizing about being the female in a sexual act and then they want to take

Rachel Wilsonthat chance. Children that are trans you think that they have some sexual gratification of being a I don't believe there's any such thing as trans people. They get confused very easily. I think that's mothers that push that stuff. It's indoctrination. Uh would you have a TTS? Would you have

SPEAKER_00a TTS coming in here? Crime kicks donated $200. >> Thank you man. Is it morally acceptable to knowingly withhold information that would meaningfully impact consent in a

Brian Atlassexual setting? Is deception acceptable in the context of sexual consent? Hmm. It seems to be a bit of a gray area to be honest on the on some of these things

Brian Atlasthat I'm not I personally I'm not quite sure on. But uh well in the terms of the legal implications, uh morally I think deception is is always going to be wrong to to

Brian Atlasvarying degrees, but um And yes, certainly knowingly withholding information that would meaningfully impact consent would be uh morally unacceptable, whether it

Rachel Wilsonrises to some sort of criminal or legal uh level is I I'm not sure. >> hey, [clears throat] if the person knew this piece of information, they would definitely not consent. Yes. >> not going to tell them. That's the

Mayathing. If they know, but why would they want to be with someone Oops, sorry. Why would they want to be with someone that they know is going to hate them when they figure out that >> who want to have sex. Cuz they go, "Hey, I told you you like trans people." And there's this weird vengeance about it.

Brian Atlas>> don't think I've ever heard of a real-life scenario of that actually happening. >> so if you're a trans woman and you're attracted to men, uh most straight men don't want to [ __ ]

Brian Atlastrans women. Okay. So So, but just but you can't >> But wait, wait, wait, just hold on. Well, yeah, but But then why would you say it's okay to withhold >> Wait, wait, wait, can I ask you a question? Do you think men, like

Brian Atlasstraight men, sometimes lie to women about their intention their long-term intentions to get in furtherance of getting laid? Yes. >> Like so, for example, a girl's like might be like, "Listen, I I'm looking

Brian Atlasfor something serious." And and by the way, I think this is wrong when men do this. The man might be like, "Oh, yeah, of course, babe, I'm looking I want a girlfriend. I'm looking for something >> all the time. >> It happens all the time, and I do think it's wrong, right? It's wrong. I mean,

Mayait's wrong, but it's also like not that big of a deal. Like it's [ __ ] up. But I think it's a huge deal. I think it's I think it's bad. Now, but you don't want a relationship, No, but I still hang out with people, and then they'll be like, "Oh, I want to hang out with you more. I want to take you on a date. I want to treat you

Mayaright." And then I just say no. And then they hit, and okay, so >> say no. That's not them saying no. I want that to be clear. I don't want to be You're the bad person then. I'm a bad I'm a bad person. I'm a bad person. >> All right, so just to be clear, so you don't think that there's anything wrong

Rachel Wilson>> amazing that you think you're so cute right now. I want to go home. I want to go That's just so amusing that you both think you're so [ __ ] cute. >> Because you guys are flat-out wrong. What are we wrong about when you can't

Annieeven directly answer any of the questions that he's asked you? >> Okay, go ahead. Okay, so let's say let's say Brian let's let's change the situation. Brian takes a trans person home, doesn't know that they're trans,

Anniewinds up having sex with them. Then he decides that he's going to punch them and beat the [ __ ] out of them because they didn't tell him, and they raped them, right?

Annie>> not rape. Is that assault? Is Brian accountable at that point for a hate crime and assaulting that person, a transgender, a protected whatever, because of what happened, because he's

Mayaangry and lashed out because they didn't tell him the truth, and then they violated them? That's not rape, and that is automatically not rape, but it's assumption, and it's sexual assault. >> I would probably um It's not sexual assault, but him beating the [ __ ] out of

Brian Atlasthem [clears throat] would be assault. >> Even if somebody has treaded on you, uh I would still probably be found guilty of some sort of assault or battery or something, even in that situation. Now Now, but I do think for like even for the trans person's own safety, it

Brian Atlaswould be beneficial to them to actually do a disclosure to prevent them from some like I could see some men being like, "Whoa, this is you basically induced me into a homosexual act." Uh

Brian Atlassome men might like become violent in that situation. Now, look. >> [sighs and gasps] >> I don't think you should That's a terrible situation to be in. Like you should cover your bases. You

Brian Atlasprobably shouldn't be assaulting people in that situation. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, though. Like if a a trans person duped some straight person into sex, like you got to watch out for yourself as a trans person. You

Mayamight get your [ __ ] [ __ ] rocked. >> seen a trans person that like it hasn't been like pretty well known that they're trans. Like I feel like most trans people say they're trans, and you can tell that they're trans. I I don't think I've ever seen one transgender

Brian Atlasperson. But exploring a scenario exploring a scenario where cuz you were asking, "Why do Why does it matter?" Well, because because if everybody thought like you, uh straight men would

Brian Atlasbe getting duped into having sex, and you would Your position is trans people have no duty or obligation to disclose. That's your position. That's why it matters, because uh I don't want to [ __ ]

Brian AtlasNo offense. I don't want to [ __ ] a trans person. I like uh natural [ __ ] Can I >> [laughter] >> add something real quick? >> Yes. Natural [ __ ] supremacist. >> [clears throat and laughter]

Lexi (NY)>> Let's say hypothetically I was into women and matched someone on an app, met them at a bar, who cares. Talking to you for a

Mayawhile, we start to get intimate, and you whip out a [ __ ] dick. Then you have every right to leave. Ooh, wait. No, no, no, it's not just every

Lexi (NY)right to leave. You know how [ __ ] scary that would be as a woman to just think that I'm going into something, and now there's this huge dick flopping in my face or something. [laughter] >> good, Lexi. I have something on that,

Lexi (NY)Lexi. That's good, Lexi. >> And it's scary. Like if I were into women, and suddenly you pull your pants out and I see a dick, I think I'm going to get [ __ ] up. I'm scared. I don't know what's going on. You deceived me.

Lexi (NY)Like absolutely not. And just because I'm a woman doesn't make it more scary if a man goes out

Brian Atlaswith what they think is a woman who too pulls a dick out. It's scary. You're Yeah, wait, on that you're lesbian, right? You're lesbian. Um

Brian Atlasso your your point was that the trans people have no duty to disclose. Is that correct? >> Yes. Is it possible that a sex act could occur in the dark where for example like you would agree that say this trans

Brian Atlasperson that's super passing, and they are post-operative, and they have a vagina, and we're getting down to business in the dark, and I might not even be able to Well, um would it still be Would it still bother you if they're

Mayapre-operative? I should frame it like that. I feel like you this all these situations are so hypothetical cuz you will never be There's no >> you test the logic. Answer the question. Answer the question so I can get through it. You will never You will never pick someone up that is trans, and you will

Mayanot know that they are trans. >> That's a lie. That's an actual lie. That's a literal lie. But so just just for the sake of moving things on, engage with the hypothetical. Okay. What What What's the hypothetical? I forgot. I'm

Brian Atlastired. >> Okay, so is it conceivable um that I could uh this this trans woman could be pre-op. Hm. How I So they have a dick, right?

Brian AtlasYeah, this I feel like this plays out a little differently in the scenario I'm about to give, but um It's getting Because it's a bit different the the physiology is a little

Brian Atlasdifferent. Let's Let me use the post-op one. Okay, so uh post-operatively, it's dark, um could it be possible that I engage in a

Mayasex act with a trans woman without knowing that she's trans? Would you ever sleep with someone without having a relationship with them? Like would you just have one-night stand? Like is this a situation that's a one It's a one It's a It's a one-night stand, or like this is someone you've been like going out

Rachel Wilsonwith. That's my only question. If it's a one-night stand, it's baked in that we're we're talking about a scenario in which a trans person is not disclosing. That's the scenario. >> in the case of a BJ? What if the trans woman gives you a BJ, and later you find

Brian Atlasout that's a dude? >> We'll go there, but really quick, let me just get an answer on that. I forgot what you said. Okay, so >> I'm tired. Okay, so is it possible that I could end up having without there being a disclosure and not knowing,

Brian Atlascould I end up having uh like sex with the trans post-op trans woman? Yes, in this hypothetical >> Yeah, so I could insert my penis into their inverted [ __ ] gate uh

Brian AtlasI could insert my penis into their fake neo-vagina that's not a It's just a [ __ ] inside-out rectum. >> Yeah. Or testicles. I forgot. >> That's possible, right? So she's You're lesbian, right?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Okay. So would it be Would you have some sort of objection? And you realize like uh maybe you're not like getting handsy with the trans person beforehand, right? So could it be possible then that same

Brian Atlasscenario that I painted, she's with a pre-operative trans woman, and that trans woman, she's a lesbian, by the way, that trans woman slides a penis into her vagina. That would not >> It could definitely happen.

MayaIt could definitely happen. It has. I know some like What's upsetting It could happen. I feel like if that were to happen, the other party would have had to be incredibly intoxicated to not notice that their partner had a

Mayapenis before they put it inside of them. And in that case, that would be rape. >> be making out and think >> all of a sudden there's just a dick that's inside of you. THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. YOU COULD BE LIKE, "NO, NO, NO." WOMEN OFTEN wear dresses. It's not like you would I I don't It sounds like you guys have

SPEAKER_03never had sex. Cuz a penis doesn't just come out of the pants and go immediately into a vagina. IT LITERALLY DOES DO THAT. YOU CAN SEE IT. IT HAPPENS to me almost every day. What are you talking about? >> [laughter] >> It's crazy, though. >> comes right out and goes right in. Yes,

Mayathat's how it works. >> So do you you think trans >> You would see it before that happened, and you'd BE LIKE, "WAIT, STOP. I'M NOT INTO THAT." NO, BUT IF IT'S DARK, AND YOU'RE LAYING next to each other >> It's crazy. Absolutely crazy. >> You've never just been spooning a guy,

Oliviaand then just But you would feel a boner, But it's a trans woman, but you can see that it's not. >> Wait, but question. Has a lesbian So, has a lesbian been raped? A lesbian

MayaShe does not want a penis inside of her, but it's a trans woman who's pre- pre-op. >> happened, and she did not want a penis inside of her, and she did not consent, then yes, that would be rape. But I just

Ravendon't think that would ever happen. only rape if it happens to the girl. Also, how do you know Okay, how do you know that as a lesbian that that lesbian

Rachel Wilsoneven even likes penetration? Oh my god. >> Because at that point, I wasn't expecting it. No, no, but what I'm saying is You think you're spooning with your lesbian girlfriend, you know, you're spooning, she's behind you, and

Rachel Wilsonyou think you're cuddling, and she's rubbing your back, and then suddenly Wow. You know, just Because you're naked, you know, you're naked in the bed, and you're spooning, and then just whoop, oopsie. Yeah. What if that happened? I I don't know. What

Mayaare you talking about? I I'm I I'm I'm too I think that you guys are the ones that have never had sex. You don't >> This is so irrelevant. Like I I've never had sex with someone before. Like if I was going to have sex with someone, I

Lexi (NY)would know if they did or did not have a penis. Not necessarily, I >> How would you not How would you know if they had never got >> I promise you, I know in real life, seen

Lexi (NY)them in the flesh, in a bikini, couldn't find the very large penis that they have. I >> I don't know how you I don't know where it goes. Bro, we're not going to tape

Brian Atlasit, yeah. It's not a joke. There was no non-showing, honestly. I [laughter] I do want to I do want to move it on a little bit, but just to be clear, your guys's I don't know. After you didn't do it, it got smaller. Your guys's position on

Brian Atlasthis is that it is in fact it it's not gay for a man two males to have sex. If they're both consenting, no, it is not gay. Even if they're consenting, no, it is not gay. That is not gay because if it's trans, then

Brian Atlas>> Really quick, let me walk through this again. So, okay. So, a trans a man a man with a trans woman who's male, two males

Brian Atlastwo males having sex. So, homosexual means two males having sex or two females having sex. That's homosexual. >> I think that it has to do with gender. It's not It's not

Brian AtlasNo, no, sexuality sexuality pertains to sex, not gender. It would be homogenderal if if we're talking [laughter] about gender.

Brian Atlas>> That's just not the modern day we live in. Well, you guys are That's crazy, dude, crazy. Okay, um What is a woman? What is a woman? What is a woman? Whatever the chromosomes

Mayaare, I don't remember if it's the XX or the XY, but whatever it's the chromosomes, and that is what a biological or Are we talking about female No, no, woman woman woman would be someone that identifies as a woman. A

Brian Atlaswoman is somebody A cat is a [ __ ] cat. Okay, super helpful. >> My gender-fluid cat? What What is a woman? I can't spay my cat. She identifies as a >> What What is a woman? Wait, wait, just say it. Say say say say say.

RavenUh everyone in in this room right now or at this table besides you. Okay. What is a woman? I think it can have multiple definitions. Biologically,

Ravenit's with the X chromosome. XX chromosome is female. Exactly. Biologically, yes. But I don't agree with the fact that a man

RavenBiologically, no. But But trans people know this. They They know that biolo- They know the biology. How? I've never met a transgender person

Mayathat wasn't aware of their biology is. Oh. It's two males But if someone feels like a woman, they are a woman. Why is it my Like why is this even a topic of conversation? Why don't you wonder why you care? Because

Mayaobviously you guys are never going to Like you're married. I don't know if you have a boyfriend. I don't remember. You didn't pay attention. It's fine. But either way, like you guys Why do you care is not an argument. If it makes them happy, and [clears throat] it makes them comfortable, why can't you just I'll

Brian Atlasgive you one reason. Oh my god. Okay, I tried to give you when you asked that, I gave you one reason, which is I would want I would want to that to be disclosed. Because I'm a heterosexual male, I date women.

Rachel WilsonIf transgender women are women, I don't want to date a transgender Like how What is the chances of this scenario coming to fruition? [laughter] You care about all kinds of stuff that doesn't affect you. No, but What about things

Brian Atlason the podcast long that don't affect you? On dating apps on On dating apps, there's a I'm not on dating apps anymore, but tons of trans women on dating apps, tons. And it's conceivable that a straight man

Brian Atlasuh could be duped could be duped. I'll give you a few other reasons why it matters. Yeah, kids should not be getting [ __ ] hormones and puberty blockers. Leave the [ __ ] kids alone. They don't belong in

Rachel Wilsonthe sports, and uh truth >> bathrooms or women's spaces. And uh the truth matters inherently. Yes. If we can't agree on reality, we've got big problems, and we're seeing that

Oliviaright now. Why are you so sure that it's improbable for this to happen, but also unsure of the stats behind it? Because I haven't done research on it. >> You haven't? Mike Mike Mike Mike Oh, sorry. I haven't done research on it.

MayaSo, my question was how are you so sure? Because of my real life experience None of you have ever had this situation. Your real life experience does not equate to the rest of the world. You You're Are you listening at all? I'm severely doubting that that will happen

Lexi (NY)to you. I don't care what you doubt because you don't know anything at all besides what's trending on Twitter. I've never heard this happen to anyone in my So, [laughter] okay, wait, question for you question for you real quick. It's fine that you don't care. I have a

Lexi (NY)question for you, though. How many transgender confirmed people have you met in This is a two-parter, okay? In my life? How many confirmed transgender people have you spoken to physically? Uh

Lexi (NY)I think three. How many transgender people are there in the world? No [ __ ] Exactly. Pizza? I'm down for pizza. Pizza?

RavenCan't eat gluten. I know. I know. Uh pizza? Pizza? Yes. Yes? Yes.

Brian AtlasYes, yes. Absolutely. I'll have a piece. >> Okay, I'll order I'll order something. Okay. How much longer do you think we're going to be here? >> I don't know. We'll see. We have some fast >> [laughter] >> I'm I'm I have to drive home after this, and I've been driving since 6:00 a.m.

RinaRead this for me, please. All right. Jamo Juice donated $100. Brian and Rachel would love to hear your opinions and guests being called a

Rinamisogynist today is like being called a witch in the past. Impossible to prove. Give your proof. I think so. Burn. >> like a 10-second response to this. Jamo Juice, thank you for that for that. I

Brian Atlasmean, I think it's basically just a convenient labeling. It's very easy to just throw out sexist, racist, transphobic, all these sort of buzzword labels as a method to kind of tear down your opponent without actually

Brian Atlasforwarding any proof or evidence for the claim, and it's just it it can be effective at least for that side of the political aisle. Yeah. Brian nailed it. Yeah, that was my job. Very well

Brian Atlasarticulated. Jamo Juice, again he asks uh if you can read this one. Oh, is it the same one? Being called a misogynist nowadays is

Brian Atlassimilar to being called a witch. Oh, you sent it twice. Well, Jamo Juice, thank you very much for the duplication. W's in the chat for Jamo Juice. Jamo Juice for Welcome, welcome. We got Pasty George here if you can read this.

RinaFake kitty cat >> [laughter] >> is not only faking Oh, [ __ ] gross and an abomination to nature, but is also completely disrespectful to biological women. Agree.

RinaBrian's "Ew" to the fake kitty was funny as hell. LOL. [laughter] I feel like I have something for I don't know. I can't find it. Um

MayaYeah, no, that is I do want to say Uh That's [ __ ] disgusting. I don't know how you could call another human disgusting. I just think that's so [ __ ] up. >> What about pedophiles? Pedophiles are disgusting humans, but

Maya>> [laughter] >> You're putting transgender people and pedophiles on the same level? >> No, I'm not, but you're You just called a transgender person disgusting, and then said, "What about pedophiles?" He said their fake vagina was I didn't say that. I

Brian AtlasWell, I think deceiving a straight man into [ __ ] you when you're a biological male, I find that disgusting. I find it morally reprehensible. I think you have a duty to disclose. Like you already said it

Brian Atlaswas not good. No, by the way, just to be clear, I don't have like hatred for trans people. I I believe many of them suffer from a mental illness. Some of them do it for attention.

Brian AtlasThey have body Is it dysmorphia or dis Dysphoria. They have body or gender dysphoria, and I don't I don't want them to be attacked. I don't want them to get beat

Brian Atlasup, and I don't want them to face any violence. I want them to maneuver in the world in a positive way as positive as they can, and I hope good things for them. I have no resentment or hatred for these people. But if you're asking me in

Brian Atlasa situation where they could conceivably deceive somebody into having sex with them, or you're I I would find it disgusting, for example, if a parent were to give their children in furtherance of gender-affirming care uh

Rachel Wilsonthe the hormones or whatever or puberty blockers, that is disgusting. It's The data that's come out on that now is like that shit's over because they For a few years, they could get away with saying, "Oh, we think that gender-affirming care

Rachel Wilsonhelps." And now we've got another 10 years of data showing that it's really, really bad in as far as outcomes. >> Personally, I'm very thankful that I was born in '81 versus now because I I'm

Grace5'10. I've always been a tall, skinny girl. I got teased for having small breasts, and I could easily see if I was born today Yeah. that somebody would be, "Oh, you're in the wrong body." Yeah.

Rachel WilsonI was a tomboy growing up. I got called a boy until I was 10. My dad told me I could get whatever haircut I wanted, and I got a buzz cut, and I acted like a boy, and I played with boys, and I had like a radical Marxist

Rachel Wilsonmom, and I think if it was 30 years later, she would have pushed me toward maybe being a boy. I don't know, but yeah. >> same experience. I was a tomboy growing up, too. And I was super uncomfortable with my lady body till I was like 19. >> clothes. Yeah, yeah.

Grace>> [laughter] >> And as a minor, if I wanted to get a breast augmentation, it would have been really hard to find a surgeon or surgeon that would have done that to me as a minor. You know, I think by the time I got to have my brain fully developed, I

Brian Atlaswas like, you know, I'm good with what I have and you know. Yeah. All right, pizza's on its way. Okay, so let's blast through we're going to move off the trans thing, but um Wait, do we

Rachel Wilsonhave to pretend that surgically turning your genitals inside out and pretending that it's a vagina isn't gross though? That is not gross. That's super duper gross. Wait, have you

Rachel WilsonHave you seen them do it? Have you actually like looked up the surgery and seen it? And circumcision isn't gross then? That is gross. But it's even worse to slice open a dick and flip it inside out and then you got to stick stuff in

Gracethere to try to keep it open and it smells and there's like all these problems. It's just no. And then there's the everlasting lifelong pharmaceuticals you're going to have to put in your body. Even take out the surgery like like that's not good for you.

Brian Atlas>> so okay, Rachel you you asked a really good question. So you have an objection to the like the genital preference. Yeah. I have an objection. What do you mean by Well, so okay, the the you object to the categorization

Brian Atlasthat it's gross. So what about this? What if I think it's a gross for me? >> Then that's fine. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What if I think it's gross for me to cross swords with not not a trans woman or a dude?

MayaLike I would think it's gross to touch my penis to another dude's penis. >> Then don't touch your penis to another dude's penis. >> is it is it okay? Stop, stop, stop, stop. It still is

Brian Atlasthough. Listen to the question. This is not a trans person, this is a a gay male. Okay. Would I If would I Is it wrong for me to find it gross for me to touch my penis

Brian Atlasto another man's penis? Yes, you're allowed to think that is gross. Okay. Okay, so but you're saying it's not gross. So if that

Brian Atlassame penile tissue is inverted into a surgically incised hole in the the man's pubic or the transgender woman's pubic area, it's still the same tissue, you

Brian Atlasagree, right? It is the same tissue, but it's not a penis anymore. It's a penis that's flipped inside out. It is still a penis. It's even [ __ ] worse because it's like a Now it's like a a

Brian Atlashole with a wound and it's like I'll be honest, this is going to sound gay as [ __ ] I'd rather cross swords than

Rachel Wilsoninsert into a hole like a penis hole. Like that's crazy, dog. I'm so sorry. I hope you guys never run into any of these situations.

Brian AtlasIt's it's just the fact that anyone ever thought this would could could be normal [laughter] is mind-blowing. >> even heard trans like we've had like left leftists and like ruling trans people or well we've had like two trans people on the

Brian Atlasshow. >> Girl like to destroy trans. Yeah, yeah. I've never heard someone like actually go to this >> not as hardcore as you. I've never heard someone go to Wait, would it be wrong for me to reject a trans person because they're trans?

Brian Atlas>> No, because that is that if they disclose that they're trans and that's not something you want to do then no. All right, new topic. Let's see here. We're going to blast through this as quick as we can.

Brian AtlasLet's see, Raven you write you would Hold on, let's do this actually. Maya Oh boy. Wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex? Yeah, because if you have a girlfriend it's because you love them.

Brian AtlasIt shouldn't just be because you want to [ __ ] them. It's a big part of it. Why not just be friends then? Wait, before before we dive in, Grace you also agree with the statement. Maryanna, you agree with the statement

Brian Atlaswrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him You did circle the statement. >> I? Okay, so do you want to take it back? Grace, but you do agree wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex.

Brian Atlas>> I mean you have to understand more context of Yeah, I need more context. Okay, here I'll give a hypothetical and it the the severity could be more or less, but the boyfriend

Brian Atlasthe woman is not sick. This wasn't just a one time she's got the flu and she doesn't want to [ __ ] She's otherwise healthy. But

Brian Atlasthey have sex one time per month. And he's brought it to her attention like, "Hey babe, I love you, but listen, I I have a high sex drive. I would like to have sex with you more frequently."

Brian AtlasAnd she's like, "You know, I'm just not I've got a low sex drive." Now of course you should always respect boundaries and consent, but this isn't a conversation about consent. It's Is it justified or

Brian Atlasokay for a man to dump to have to break up with her girlfriend if she is not I suppose sexually satisfying him? I think I probably misread that because I think sex is important in relationships.

Maya>> fine with it. Does it change for you, Raven? I think it's okay if they dump them if that's their opinion, but I think it's [ __ ] up. Like I don't think it's correct, but if that's the decision they make that is none of my business. What are the scenarios in which somebody can dump somebody?

MayaI don't It doesn't matter. It's their relationship. I have no sympathy. >> said it wasn't okay. >> It's not okay in my mind. Like it's in my mind that it's a [ __ ] up reason to dump someone. >> you a question? How about this? That scenario I gave maybe you'd like well,

Brian Atlasthe guy's being unreasonable in that. I don't think so. I'm dating a girl for a year. At the year mark she fully stops having sex with me. Is it okay to and she wants me to be monogamous to

Brian Atlasher. Yeah. Would it be wrong for me to cheat on her? Yes, cuz you're cheating on her. Okay, [laughter] I don't think you should cheat on but on somebody in that situation I'd recommend somebody breaking up. Yeah, I'd recommend

Brian Atlassomebody breaking up, but >> is that important to you then you should >> is important, but but hold on. Um so okay, she fully stops having sex with me and I I've stayed with her for 6 months hoping that we could and we go to

Brian Atlastherapy and I'm I have conversations with her. You're allowed to do whatever the [ __ ] you want with your life. >> [laughter] >> But is it still [ __ ] up for me to dump her if we haven't [ __ ] for 6 months? >> If that happened to me I would be pretty

Brian Atlasupset, but other people's relationship have nothing to do with me. Okay, let me Oh my god. You Your position was it's [ __ ] up to dump somebody because they are uh they are regularly turning them down for sex.

Brian AtlasIn my mind, yes. Okay, I would be upset if that happened If I've been dating Let's say I've been dating a girl for a year and we're both in love and then she just I don't know, she decides to stop having sex with me. It happens a lot. It happened to my best friend who is married.

MayaI don't know cuz I've never been in that situation. Okay, but you said it's [ __ ] up. Is it still [ __ ] up in that scenario? >> In my mind, yeah. I feel like you love someone for more than their body. You love them cuz of who they are. >> So then I am obligated to stay with this

Lexi (NY)woman Well then do it. I I mean that's not my problem. Why would you be upset If wait, what about this? What if like

Lexi (NY)take it a step further, it's not just Billie Eilish. It's not just dating. What if So I have a best friend who was

Lexi (NY)dating a girl 3 years. Eventually they got married and within the first two or three months of them being married everything's gone. No more [ __ ]

Lexi (NY)barely kissing, no sex, nothing. That is a very big switch up in a relationship to say that sex is not important. And I'm probably one of the

Lexi (NY)biggest prudes is very inaccurate. You date someone for a reason. It's more than just a physical attraction. There's a sexual attraction there. What is the point of dating someone if there's

Lexi (NY)nothing else after that? For me maybe it's a traditional point of view, but I'm not going to date Brian for a couple of months and be like, "On to the next."

Lexi (NY)Like I'm going to date Brian because I want to be in a committed relationship, see where it goes, have a family, you know, all the important discussions. And

Lexi (NY)if Brian puts a ring on my finger and suddenly it was just like, "Fuck this sex. It's never going to happen again." What What did we take vows for? What have we been What What changed in the

Rachel Wilsonrelationship? That's a very painful rejection. >> more for a man than a woman too. Well, a little bit. It happened to me in my first marriage for a while and it was extremely painful for me and I thought,

Annie"I'm very young and I'm going to have to go the rest of my life." Like I can't do that. Like what am I supposed to do? See, I was on the other side of it. I I

Anniedid that to somebody. Oh. And I started sleeping like in the other room and you know, I was going through my own [ __ ] and blaming them for everything and just in victim mentality. So you were like it wasn't just the sex you were mad at them

Anniefor other reasons. >> Yeah, I was just not looking at things I was doing and I was blaming them and I was villainizing them and then it turned into I'm no longer sexually attracted to you. I'm going to go sleep in the other

Rachel Wilsonroom, but I'm going to say that I have a back ache type of type of situation. What did I miss? Did I miss something? She's going to marry you. Who? If you >> [laughter] >> were to marry him, she expects some D,

Rachel WilsonBrian. She wants that steady vitamin D if you're going to put a ring on it. >> [laughter] >> That's my sign. Perfect.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Lexington Will you marry me? All right. >> [laughter] >> We do have a TTS coming through. Hold on, let me let that come through.

SPEAKER_00Thank you, based Justin. >> Based Justin donated $200. >> Thank you, Justin. >> Speech two has clearly not evolved past clump of cells, let alone a the cortex. Please make sure she's not ever

SPEAKER_00responsible for anything at all except for blowing a whistle at ICE vehicles. Got to speed girl. >> Did you do that? Do you blow it? >> I don't know. I actually I actually had this situation where I was pulled My friend was driving and we were pulled

Mayaover because she was swerving. >> god. No, but she we had this Are you just like intentionally being a contrarian so you get out of it? >> no. No, I'm No, I'm saying a good thing about this cuz they pulled us over and the cops were like dealing with us like

Mayathey were doing the DUI testing on her and [ __ ] And there was this woman standing there filming being like, "Oh, like I'm just concerned about all the ICE [ __ ] going on and what you're going to get hate crimed and all this stuff." And I went over and talked to her and

Mayamade her leave because that was not okay. I'm not like super unreasonably All right, so anyways. Wait, I was told 7 or 8 hours. It's been 8 hours. >> [laughter] >> Well, it's your fault because you were late. Um

Brian AtlasSometimes A sometimes you get longer. What can I say? A woman should not be rejected because of her weight. Lexi, you agree? Uh hold on. Some other people agreed on this.

Brian AtlasUh one sec. Uh Lexi, you agree and then Mariana, you agree. A woman should not be rejected because of her weight. Why is that?

MarianaUm Now now I feel like I misread this because is it rejection in the relationship? Like let's say No, no, no. This would be like a a dating app or like a in a club and >> Yeah, cuz that's different. If you want

MarianaIf I was like cuz when I got pregnant my I got big. So it's It's just like a upfront rejection. >> Then Lexi, your thoughts? >> that back.

Lexi (NY)Closer to the mic. I think that when you physically view someone who is

Lexi (NY)extremely overweight, it's a health concern. Um I feel that whether you're a man or a woman, it's more the your back thought.

Lexi (NY)Are you rejecting a person cuz ew, you're a flat fat slob and you're lazy? Or can you potentially look past it a

Lexi (NY)little bit? Does this person have the ability to lose weight? What else are they bringing to the table? I don't think a person's their weight should necessarily

Lexi (NY)be a main factor of rejection, but I'll be honest. I am not going to date an overly large man because for me it

Lexi (NY)doesn't always seem like you're taking care of yourself, but it could There can be a multitude of reasons. Not fat shaming. Maybe you're big boned. It's genetics. You have a a health concern. Mhm.

RinaSee, but you have to be sexually attracted to your partner, you know? So I feel like it's fair to to pick a partner off of weight because if I'm not sexually attracted to him, like why, you know?

Brian AtlasYou have to be a Look, I think both scenarios like so what you you are deriving from their them being overweight, you might be able

Brian Atlasto make some some value calls in terms of are they are they lazy? Are they unhealthy? But I think I think it's actually perfectly fine. Let's say they aren't lazy. Let's say they are

Brian Atlasthey are otherwise healthy absent their weight, right? I think it's totally fine just from a purely aesthetic perspective. Even if you're just not a like you're cuz physical attraction it pertains to to

Rinayou. I think rejection on that basis alone is totally acceptable. Sure, cuz if you want your kids to look a certain way and you plan on reproducing with them, you know, it's like

RinaPersonally, it might be a hot take for me, but I just like will not date someone with the fat gene. That's just me. I'm not even like trying to be

Rinacuz I I genetically like my everybody in my family, you know, we're relatively skinny. Okay. >> And I genuinely just like that's just a that's just a thing for me. All right.

Brian AtlasPast should not I think this might be the last one or second to last one on the questionnaire. Past should not matter. Body count to which Maya you think past should not matter. Nope. Uh

Brian AtlasHold on. Uh No, Raven, you might be the only Oh, no. Mariana, past should not matter. Body count. Uh Okay. Uh just you two really quickly. Why should past not matter? Why should body

Marianacount not matter? Is it immature for men to care about that? I think it's immature for men to care about that if they have a double standard. If they have um an insane body count and expect their

Marianawoman to be a virgin, I think that is ludicrous because that's hypocritical. Why do you expect that from somebody else? >> I'm I'm actually I think it's totally fine. Yeah, I do too. >> Well, why But why do you think that? Because it's

Rachel WilsonSorry, go ahead, Rachel. Yeah. Because as a woman, you might want all kinds of things from the guy that are not going to apply to you. And here's the main thing with this. I actually just tweeted about this. So,

Rachel Wilsonyou would have a point if girls were like really into virgin dudes. But girls almost universally don't find virgin guys attractive. We And I'm not saying everyone. There's some good Christian women out there that

Rachel Wilsonwant a nice virgin boy. And ideally, we want to all be chased until marriage. But if we're just talking about what women want in a man, they like the men that all the other women like. And those dudes have usually been with a lot of

Rachel Wilsonwomen because they can get the access. So, if we were all chasing after virgin men, I think that would be a fine standard to have. But you can't like put the demand out into the market that we

Rachel Wilsonwant these sexy player guys that can get whoever they want. That's the guys that we all go for. But we also want them to only want virgins if we want virgins cuz we don't want virgins. Men do want

Rachel Wilsonwomen with a really low body count or less bodies because of biological reasons for assurance of paternity and just because guys kind of get the ick. Like we're the on the receiving end of

Rinathe body fluids just to be perfectly frank, okay? See, as a woman, I get the ick if I, you know, find out that a guy cuz if you're just ran through, bro, like I'm sorry, but that just No. I

Rachel Wilsonthink I think dudes that are gross I think it's I think that's fair though. If you're not If you don't like that, totally fair. But I also think that if you're a guy who has been with a lot of women and you

Rinastill prefer a woman with a really low body count, I think that's also >> okay with it, then that's her, you know? But personally, I have a very, very low body count and my partner I am literally

Brian Atlashis only one. You know, he was Took his V-card? I did. I did. I don't I don't know if I should be really disclosing that on Well, hey, >> [laughter] >> there it is. No, no, no. You're just Just to be clear like

Brian AtlasI'm totally fine like if a woman has a preference towards low body count men or even virgin, totally fine. They're not being I wasn't like a virgin hunter. I think that's ideal. [laughter] I'm just

Rachel Wilsonsaying that's not usually like usually the guys that all the women want are the guys who can get all the girls and have gotten them all like Is it weird that like all of my serious relationships we

Brian Atlasnever had that conversation? Like I never had to ask them. Oh, I always ask. I never had to ask them that. Maybe that's more new. It's a bit more of a new thing. Like the

Brian Atlasasking >> So I'm old. No, I mean I I just No, I just think it it's it's like a new more of a new I don't know. I'm 45 and every I I again, very small sample size.

Brian AtlasI also have only been with a couple of people, but it's always been a conversation that's been had. I've definitely Yeah, even before some of the these conversations became a bit more

Brian Atlasmainstream, I guess you could say. I definitely remember like [ __ ] 10, 15 years ago being like, "So, how many I didn't say body count, but I was probably like, "So, how many guys have you hooked up with or whatever? How many guys have you?"

RinaUm so, yeah. Um But the Oh, well, I I I guess going around the table. Body count. So, because my boyfriend, you know, I'm his only one, I just feel like I shouldn't cuz I have That's the only

Brian Atlastime I've never >> come back to you. Body count. But you said very low. It's very, very low. Yeah, it's very low. I just don't want to disclose the number because Just so we're clear. Past should not matter. Body count should matter, but

Mayascared to reveal it. >> It's no one's business. Why is it any any more prevalent? You could do a lot to destigmatize an hour overtime and I've Whoa, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Whoa, I don't need the stats from you. I feel like my time's being disrespected.

Brian Atlas>> Your time is being Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. To be clear, the agreement the agreement is to stay for the full show. >> Yes, but I was told it'd be 7 or 8 hours. Well, hold on. It also says may

Brian Atlasgo longer. And pizza. It does say that part. And the pizza's here, but she doesn't want any. Didn't you take work off? Yeah, I still have to be back at two jobs. I have to be back by 3:00 tomorrow and I have to be able to get sleep.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you got to deal with it, I guess. Me, too. Well, let me We're going to We're going to blast through it. Okay. So, uh I think that's Oh, body count.

Lexi (NY)Three. Three? Okay. Low. You want to give a range, I guess. Five, I think. >> Okay. Five. Six or seven, something like that. Okay. Four.

Brian AtlasI can count on my hands. Hands plural? So, more than five, less than 10? Okay. Uh Did you not believe me? >> Already said really low. Oh, okay. Can

Rinacount on one hand. I can count on one hand, but I don't want to disclose the number because my boyfriend has I'm a virgin. I'm a virgin. I [laughter] am a virgin.

Brian AtlasMultiply by three and that's right >> All right, I believe >> [laughter] >> I'm believe that is it for the questionnaire. We do have some closing things though. Uh the pizza has arrived.

Brian AtlasRip. Uh okay, let's see what we can get into. Let Let me blast through the notes and there's like the questions that need to be asked.

Brian AtlasAll right. Uh one sec, guys. Okay. Uh let's go to Sorry, guys. Uh Lexi, the struggle of dating as an

Lexi (NY)influencer / content creator. Wait, have you ever done like OF or anything, Lexi? No. No sexy snaps. No, nothing like that. No OF girls here?

Brian AtlasSee, everyone's Oh, Brian. The Remember [ __ ] Drina Drino yesterday? There's a perception that you only bring on sex workers. Like, there's no [ __ ] Well, she's a sex worker, but she doesn't do She doesn't do like porn or nude content

Brian Atlasor whatever. Uh Wait, Grace. Okay. Um Uh Not sure if you ever talk about domestic violence. In September, you left your daughter's dad after he got physical with you. You're the one that called 911

Brian Atlasscared, but because you bit him, you're the one that got arrested. You're in jail for 48 hours and all charges were dropped. Now your ex is manipulating the court system to get custody of your daughter. Ooh. He filed a temporary restraining

Graceorder against me. Wow. Wait. He was I was a 100% the >> I was 100% the default parent. Um he was diagnosed with cancer last year. Okay. Yeah, it's

Brian AtlasAnd just some clarifying questions prior to and besides this incident, had there ever been any physical altercations or DV before? Uh no. It was So, this was

Gracelike a kind of unique one-time occurrence? I mean His ex-wife, when he and I first started dating, he told me that she called him a

Brian Atlasnarcissist and I was like, "No, she's crazy." Um yeah. >> Um but there wasn't prior to this specific incident, he had not He had not laid hands on you before.

Brian AtlasOkay. Um Had there been ever been instances of non-reciprocal, like you were hitting him before? Okay. Um and how long had you been with him?

Brian AtlasUm we met the end of 2020. So, you Who initiated the this one physical altercation? >> Uh he shoved me first. He

GraceUm What Was there something that led up to that? Like, he didn't I'm assuming He didn't just walk up to him >> No, it was stupid. Um So, with him being diagnosed with cancer

Gracelast year, his mom and sister decided to come visit for extended periods of time. Um June last year, it was

GraceOh, so um all the get For more context, um my best friend last year was also diagnosed with stage four [clears throat] pancreatic cancer the end of January. So, him being diagnosed and my friend being

Gracediagnosed, like my stress levels was up here. And so, I didn't really feel like his mom and sister were

Gracethe best to come visit in June because I was trying to feed him a clean organic diet and they are very, you know, generic American diet. And I said I thought it would be more helpful for him

Graceto come or for them to come visit when his son was going to be there over the summer. Um and then when he was going through radiation treatment and all that and, you know, my opinions weren't considered at all and

GraceI I kind of had a little bit of a breakdown while they were there in June. Um His mom was like putting dishes away in the wrong spot, which was really stressful for me cuz I was trying to control the

Gracesmall little things that I could control. Um Shh. She was trying to put one of my expensive uh Cutco pots in the oven um to cook a roast and I said, "Oh, that

Gracedoesn't go in the oven." Instead of being like, "Oh, I'm so sorry. What would you rather me use?" She's like fighting me on like putting my expensive pot in the oven. Um

GraceAnd when I wasn't paying attention, his mom and sister completely raided where all of my daughter's clothes was, where I was the one who prior to that was always

Gracethe one putting it away and taking care of all that. So, I kind of like went to look for a pair of shorts or something and it wasn't there and it just was like

Graceyeah. Um so then in September, um they were coming back after his son had already left and I I had said that I didn't feel like it was a good time and

Gracethat they should delay their visit and he lied to me and said that they bought non-refundable tickets. Um I also said that, you know, it was going to be my birthday and I didn't

Gracereally want them there for my birthday cuz I wanted to have a more relaxing birthday, low-key. I didn't want extra company there and so, this was

Gracethe DV incident happened two days after my birthday. Um I had told my daughter earlier in the day that if she didn't eat her food, that she couldn't watch shows later. Her dad and grandma were out running errands

Graceand I was home with her aunt. And when they got home, I went back to my room and was just kind of getting some of my own space. Um

GraceI came back out later to get some food and I saw my daughter watching shows [clears throat] and I said, "Oh, you're not supposed to be watching shows." So, I took the tablet away and she threw a big old fit and they were all

Gracewatching a movie. So, I took her back to my room and I was trying to calm her down. Um She [snorts] I I've I've come to understand more so

Gracethat especially at such a young age, taking a tablet away from a child is a bigger response that you're going to get. Um

GraceSo, he and his sister came back to my room and started accusing me of abusing my daughter because she had thrown a fit and she hadn't calmed down yet. Um so, I was in

Gracekind of mama bear defense mode and he and [cough] I were arguing. Um I said I didn't want him to take her out. What I should have said is I didn't want him undermining my authority. I'd given her

Gracea discipline and was following through with what I said. And he It was like something snapped in him and he just shoves me out of the way and takes our

Gracedaughter to the front. Then I followed after him. Um I had her on my hip. I was trying to get back to my room and he's blocking the way like this and For the sake of time, I'm very sorry.

Rachel WilsonThere's been a lot of Yeah. >> frankly irrelevant. Well, I I think it's actually it's interesting though because it sounds like a lot of very small things led up to this.

Rachel WilsonHave you considered that like maybe you have like some emotional like regulation problems, maybe? I mean, I know cancer is stressful and things like that, but at your age to have a domestic violence

Graceincident over like a kid and a tablet or people visiting or a pot or clothes, like >> Yeah. No, so what happened was he grabbed her out of my arms and then he was restraining me from behind and so I bit him on the inside of his wrist

Rachel Wilsontrying to >> But why would you If things are escalating like that, why are you trying to like do I feel like it could have been handled like way before it ever got to that

Rachel Wilsonpoint and it sounds like with both relationships, you're kind of saying like these things were just happening to you. Like you didn't have

Rachel WilsonI mean any agency in handling things or realizing, "Hey, this is just a pot. Hey, I want him to be on the organic diet cuz I think it's

Gracebest, but if he wants to put the food in his mouth, you know, whatever." No, I mean, at the end of the day, he's an adult. He gets to feed himself what he wants to. >> Right. Right. Yeah. So, you >> I'm just saying like I would have

Rachel Wilsonexpected it to be like serious. To If you were 22, that would be different, but at our age to get into a DV over a

Rachel Wilson>> Uh I don't think that's a good reason. I mean >> Just from this You You're telling the story, so I'm just going off of what you're telling me. Right. Oh, sorry. Um Did me to cut you off there, Rachel, if

Brian Atlasyou wanted to continue, but Can we I guess From what I heard, um What was the like the the immediate

Gracething that happened prior to the shove? Like I know there's like build-up. >> He was trying to argue with me, trying to take our daughter out of my room and I said, "No." >> Why did he try to take the daughter out of the room? Cuz he accused me of

Brian Atlasabusing her cuz I took a tablet away from her and she got upset. So, I wouldn't I mean, that wouldn't I don't think that'd be abusive to take a tablet away, but I don't know all the details.

Rachel Wilson>> either, but if the child if the child is upset and he as the dad comes in and says, "Okay, you and her are having a moment. You know, you She's upset, you're upset. I'm taking her out of here." Why would

Rachel Wilsonyou bite him? Why wouldn't you let him take the child out of the situation, let her calm down, let you calm down? Why would you bite him? And then why would you >> him at that point. I bit him when he was restraining me and

Brian Atlaswouldn't let me go. Why was he restraining you? So, he Usually when you're restraining somebody, it's it's a Like, you don't just walk up to somebody who's not doing anything and just >> He restrained me after he pulled our

Oliviadaughter from my arms. >> What happened between that? Like, did you happen to say like oh I'm going to do this or I'm not going to let you take her like I'm not saying it's your fault but is there like a detail between when

Gracehe restrained you and that moment from the tablet does that make sense? So I was in my room with my daughter we were verbally arguing he decided he didn't want to argue anymore and he

Graceshoved me out of the way I'd never had anybody put their hands on me before so he took her daughter in the other room I got her back and I was trying to go back to my room cuz I didn't feel safe.

Rachel WilsonIt sounds like he was trying to de-escalate a situation with you and the kid and you were so worked up cuz you would you just told me all that other detail to let me

Rachel Wilsonknow that you were you said I had a bit of a breakdown. You know I had a bit of a mental breakdown over all this stress so it sounds like he was seeing

Rachel Wilsonthat you were out of control the kid is upset I got to separate them. And you took that as him you know overstepping or or trying to take her from you or something when

Gracemaybe he was trying to de-escalate I don't know I wasn't there but I mean how would you take it if somebody accused you of abusing your child when

Graceyou were not abusing them? Well I I didn't I didn't let her get off of my bed. >> them or try to like I'd be like I'm not abusing her. The entire time like me telling him that I

Rachel Wilsondidn't feel like it was a good time for his family to come visit um But if he has cancer you'll let his family visit I don't really care you know like there are certain situations yes you're

Rachel Wilsonstressed yes it's your home but if the man just got diagnosed with cancer and he wants his mother and his sister there I think you can handle that if you again if he were 22 maybe [clears throat] you don't have

Mayathose skills yet but I feel like at your age if if your husband gets diagnosed with cancer and he wants his family There are so many other things also to everything like It's 1:00 in the morning I have to drive home after this

Brian Atlasit's 9 hours like Chill out chill out stop you got I'm sorry that you're not getting any attention at the moment. >> just saying it's 1:00 and I was told this would be over at like 11:30 12. >> No hold on.

Brian AtlasWould you stop winging this is actually you know you you want to go on the crusade for do you think a woman should be president? I think a woman could be a president I don't Okay then suck it up then so anyways back to this >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> back to this story just be a [ __ ] trooper just be a trooper we're we're we're I'm getting through everyone's notes we're we're at the tail end here just be a trooper okay but in any case so you you are in

Brian Atlasthe there's a were the charges dropped yeah you said you were in jail they had you did bite him you bit a cancer patient? Wow the optics of that are not good.

GraceThat's kind of insane. It a little bit >> what would you do if somebody was behind you restraining you and not letting you go? It depends on why they were restraining you or were scared.

Rachel WilsonSo I'm I'm there's been times where you know I I've had I've been under stress we have five kids in the house I'm having a meltdown because I'm hormonal

Rachel Wilsonand Andrew literally grabs my shoulders and goes you need a nap and walks me into the bedroom and closes the door. >> That sounds like more of a love me gesture. Yeah but it so I'll just ask you

Rachel Wilsonstraight up were you being a little unhinged were you acting a little bit off the cuff and and this man was thinking okay this is out of control and somebody's got to get it back under control cuz there's my

Rachel Wilsonchild's involved? My mom. If you say no if you're like no I was completely in control I was calm and handling it and he out of nowhere

Grace>> and I said you're not supposed to be watching shows and I calmly brought her back to my room. She I mean three year olds throw good fits. >> Sure they do but I'm saying

Rachel Wilson>> prior to this that was on a Wednesday >> you said he needed to come in and like push you out of the way to get her? Now if he came into the room and said >> When he came in and he tried to say that

Rachel WilsonI was abusing my daughter because she was still crying it had been like five to 10 minutes. Okay. She was throwing a fit. >> that since he said you were abusing her

Rachel Wilsonthat means that we can get physical or was it like he said I feel like you're being abusive? >> should have got physical in the first place I wasn't the one who made it physical he was the one

Rachel Wilsonwho made it physical. >> blocking him trying to get to his child? I Because he's the dad too so if he comes this is why we need to submit to our husbands okay so he comes in he's like maybe you thought you were being a

Gracelittle >> me to marry him and then proceeded to never follow through with that um that >> know what that has to do with anything. >> So you were blocking him from his kid after making his night with cancer with

Oliviahis family about an iPad and a pot and he didn't abuse you he restrained you which was very kind in that situation and it is not your fault. Well I I don't even know I'm I'm trying to be fair to

Rachel Wilsonher and and figure it out but I'm At what point did when he had to when he shoved you out of the way was that because he was like let me get her out of here and even if he said something that offended you he said I think you're

Rachel Wilsonbeing abusive and you got very upset and offended by that did he say I'm going to take her out of here and you were like no and that's why he shoved you out of the way? He yeah.

Brian AtlasI didn't mean to cut you off. >> good what do you want to say? Well I was just going to ask could you visually show us the nature of the shove into the air? Was it was it a one hand shove a two hand shove was it a Both hands he

Graceyeah. >> shoulder and in the chest and in the like threw me kind of I mean it didn't like pick me up off the ground but All right. Um All right. He had also

Gracehe had a pattern of um deciding he wasn't happy with me for one reason or another and so like the weekend prior to that I don't even remember what happened but

Gracehe completely ignored me all day Sunday and then Monday was my birthday and he comes and just starts love bombing me and just like there's a cycle of abuse there.

Brian AtlasYeah but relationships >> Yes. there's always history and they did this and they did that there's a lot of stuff that goes on um well okay let me blast through the rest of the notes here.

Grace>> I wanted to know or wanted to make sure that other women know that in California if you call 911 for domestic violence they have to arrest somebody.

Brian AtlasUm Well if you bite a guy though. I acted in self defense. Because he was cuz he shoved you? Cuz he was restraining her. >> Wait can I can I have you when you say

Brian Atlasyou were acting in self defense so he was restraining you. >> He was restraining me from behind. >> there an escalation of the assault beyond restraining you? When I was trying to go back to my room I was

Graceholding our daughter and I tried to like push my way through and he's shoving me and he hit our daughter's head on the wall like I didn't want him having her at that point. >> all sounds very dysfunctional. >> No it was totally dysfunctional.

Brian Atlas>> Very dysfunctional and I'm not happy with that being the way it ended but I'm glad that the relationship is over cuz Okay all right well going to you Mariana a topic you feel strongly about is that the patriarchy

Brian Atlashas hurt the energy of the divine masculine so I wish we got into this sooner but has hurt the energy of the divine masculine so much so that men don't find pleasure in pleasing a woman

Marianawhen you say pleasing a woman are you Not socially. Just like And I want to say that I don't it's I after hearing Rachel talk I'm very much understanding that my idea of the

Marianapatriarchy is not what I thought it was but I do believe that I believe that today a lot of >> [laughter] >> men have not done and I think this goes for everybody I think the problem is my

Marianasomething I feel strongly about is that everybody is so out of touch with their selves and so in touch with things like like the gender and asking questions

Marianathat shouldn't matter and everyone's so outside of themselves and I think like what I meant by men don't want to please women anymore I feel like in today's society it feels like men

Marianawant to be the simps and they want to be like well what am I going to get from a woman what do I what is the relationship giving me but I

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