Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30

Duration: 9h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)

SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves

Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm

ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear

Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases

Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions

ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.

Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer

QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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Maya>> That's what I was saying. That's not like a physical like That's not going to mess up their life if they have a scar on them. Like if their hand's broken and they can't use their hand anymore, then that's going to mess up their life. Well, if she drains their wallets to the

Brian Atlaspoint where they have to go through bankruptcy proceedings, that could have long-standing financial consequences to them. I'm asking her has that like ever happened? Like do you know of any >> She probably she has that [ __ ] on her on her page.

Mariana>> but do you know of any scenarios where someone has gone into bankruptcy or has gone into something like that? >> the kink. [laughter] She gave an example. What was the example you gave where it was like >> to give the graduation money from their kids. These men will go to the like it's

Marianaan addiction. They will do absolutely everything and they won't they some guys won't even eat. Oh, I'll just send you like my lunch dinner money and I'm sure like you've had that and that I feel like is your responsibility to see like

Marianayou you need help. Like if somebody was going to you know, you brought up the example of physical pain. Like if someone was like, "Hey, I'm going to or I'm I'm willing to be cut. Can you like cut me or break my pinky bone?" I'd be like, "Let's send you to the doctor. Let's talk about

RavenLet's dive deeper into that." >> I have definitely denied requests. Um and also I've definitely ignored a lot of messages.

SPEAKER_00>> have to let this chat through, but we'll come right back to it. We have Desert Jorge. Thank you, Desert Jorge. >> Okay, let's cut through the nonsense. When a man does something bad, it's all

SPEAKER_00men are bad. When a woman does something bad, it's woman empowerment and all good. This is actual hypocrisy on display. >> Yeah, and Rachel Rachel brought up

Brian Atlassomething Desert Jorge, thank you for that. With Sabrina Carpenter, Rachel brought up that is a really good topic because it goes beyond just at the concert. She's got that the what's the title of the

Brian Atlassong? Man Manchild. >> Manchild. So yeah, she is alluding to men being stupid and useless and all this sort of thing, but even going a little bit deeper in many of her music videos, not just

Brian Atlasthat video, she like physically assaults and even kills men and it it is like getting to a deeper level of analysis where it's like she is she is kind of I think there's a

Rachel Wilsonbit more depth there in terms of the misandrist messaging that she's putting out. What about on a very large scale to young girls who Yeah, also we'll get to that, but really quick

Brian Atlaswith Sabrina Carpenter Sabrina Carpenter also at an award ceremony because I think look, you're going to bring up rap and I think in the artistic expression itself, I don't think you can you can

Brian Atlasstill make a criticism, but there's more leeway, but she was doing Well, hold on. Well, I I think it's fair for both in both directions that in artistic expression, there's a bit more leeway

Brian Atlasgiven than like but she was giving a speech and then the award ceremony and she said that the the key essentially I'm I'm not verbatim here.

Brian AtlasThe key to writing a hit song is you should call all men stupid in your song. That's basically what she said, right? Well, she she did in fact say that, but there's some surrounding

Rachel Wilsoncontext that's irrelevant. And it's like that's going a little further into like anti-male sentiments, but um I'm just begging all the men on Sabrina Carpenter's tour who handle her stage,

Rachel Wilsonher lights, her audio, all of you men that put together her whole show, when she starts doing that song, just shut it all down. Just shut it all off >> and go, "What now? Oh, all the men are useless and stupid or would you like us to turn your concert back on?"

Brian Atlas>> Wait, really really quick, let me just do a few shout-outs. Christina, thank you. Looks like you bought a hoodie. High Hopes, thank you. Demi, thank you. Mr. Alex, thank you. You bought a hoodie. Thank you. Thank

Brian Atlasyou, guys and someone else bought something. Thank you, guys. We also have a chat here really quick that I'm going to get. Thank you, guys for the That's through our merch store shop.thewhatever.com if you want to get something, it pops up. We have Joshua

Brian Atlashere. To be anti-gun is to be anti-woman. Did I already read this or No, okay. Gun save lives more than they take. To share three, I highly employ you to research firearms and understand

Brian Atlasthem and not to just follow Democrat leftist talking points. That's from Joshua Dylan. Thank you for super chat, Joshua and we have Cowboy Larry. This is on behalf of Lexi from Favorited. I love

Brian Atlasthe whatever content. Rachel is so based. Here to support the podcast and shout-out Lexi from Favorited. Okay, there you go. That's you, Lexi. Thank you. Cowboy Larry. Look at that. Hey, just really

Lexi (NY)quick, who here would date Cowboy Larry? That's he's in the that's his avatar. I'm trying to wingman this guy. He's super nice, you guys. Great conversation. >> nice, then yeah. All right. Well, hey, you know, I tried my best. I don't know

Brian AtlasLarry, so I can't say. >> Yeah, of course. Well, to the single women, the single women. The single women, but thank you, Cowboy Larry. There there you go. Thank you, Cowboy Larry. Appreciate that. Reminder, guys,

Brian Atlas$10 display, $100 read, $200 TTS. Thank you, guys. Okay. Rights, women's rights. I think that's where we left off. So it's more just we don't like things

Mayathat random dudes say about random women. Do we have anything more than that? Cuz that seems like a very Something I would add to that is I feel like women also will put themselves into a position to

Mayaseem like less than than men. Like there was a trend going around fairly recently that was like, "When I do good at in the blue store, so I get to go to the pink store." Like women will intentionally make themselves look stupid in order to like appear cute to a man sometimes and

MayaI don't feel like that's a like that's women taking ourselves back further in society. So it's not all just men. I feel like there's like like there's that streamer Cavicular or whatever and he just always has women surrounding him and like people are like, "Oh, like he

Mayashouldn't be treating the woman that way." But it's also I feel like just as much on the women that are there and entertaining him that like they're sitting there doing the same thing. So would that apply to President Trump's comment that these women should They're

Rachel Wilsonthey're putting themselves in the position where they're letting that happen. They enthusiastically chase dudes who will Why is it different cuz it's Trump? No, it's different that is assault cuz Because it's assault. Are women are hyper

Rachel WilsonIt's because you're letting them. You said it's How do you You said it's based on consent. How do how is it unless Because the language the language he used is they will let you. So if he had

Rachel Wilsonsaid they don't want you to, but you can do it anyway, you might have a point, but we can only go off what he said. We can't speculate about anything else. All we can do is take the statement itself at face value and discuss that. You

Rachel Wilsoncan't like leap to other things that you think might have been going on, but you really don't know. It's like But okay, so I your comment's fair. I'm still trying to figure out what what unfair treatment or what

Rachel Wilson>> to talk about women's rights? Go to a different country. Yeah, what's worth getting in the street and marching and protesting about? Like what are we lacking? I'm I'm trying to figure that out. I feel

Rachel Wilsonlike women like are putting themselves into a position where they Let me Let me think. Let me think. Let me think of something to >> Raven, you're a protest organizer. So I and you seem like you've If you're

Rachel Wilsonorganizing protests, you might have must have thought about these issues to some degree. So like what do you think is still going on in the world that women need to be out marching about it? I really think it's just how women are treated. I think it's the way that women

Ravenare treated. >> Everyone? Everyone? >> Yes, and I do I do agree that there are women who also do make that worse by making themselves like Uh

Rachel Wilsonyeah, I saw I saw that too. >> I don't understand. Men can and do all the time get in trouble for saying anything to a woman at work that is off-color.

Rachel WilsonFor saying anything online to a woman that's bad. Like men get in trouble for that all the time. You don't have a problem with women talking about men like that. What's the difference? Women aren't act like like you guys had

Mayasaid that men may not be coming forward about their sexual assault or something like that, but following what I assume most of you believe that men are physically stronger than women. If a woman comes on to a man and tries sexually assault him, what's stopping

Rachel Wilsonhim from just like pushing her off or being a child? Well, a child >> [laughter] >> We're not going to talk about children. We're always talking about adult relationships on the show, but okay, let me throw a statistic at you.

Rachel WilsonDid you guys know that in all if you take all the domestic violence cases that are non-reciprocal, meaning it's one party being aggressive and the other

Rachel Wilsonparty is being the victim, that the aggressor is the woman 70% of the time. I still think that's bad. >> of that? I did not know that. >> Yeah. What do we do about that? Should the men

Ravenmarch and demand that that the women stop assaulting them? Men could always march if they wanted to. I think everyone has a right to believe whatever they want. >> You can believe whatever you want, but

Rachel Wilsonthere's also facts. So like if if 70% of non-reciprocally violent domestic violence cases are the woman aggressing against a man. Like Taylor Frankie Paul, that's her name,

Rachel Wilsonright? The Bachelorette that they just canceled her whole season because this video came out of her just attacking her ex-husband, throwing chairs at him, even with her daughter in the room, acting

Rachel Wilsontotally unhinged. I I'm seeing a lot of that and statistically it's that 70% of the time. >> How many men are murderers though? Like yeah, looking at That's another good

Mayaquestion, but did you know that almost all the victims of the murder are men, not women? It's absolutely true. Think about like Ted Bundy. Like they they those men there's like so many prolific serial killers. There's very though. So if you

Rachel Wilsontake all murders, if you take all murders, yes, men are the most offenders when it comes to murder, but they're also the highest share of victims. Why does it matter to me? So men kill other men because we're talking about the

Rachel Wilsondifference. What do women need to march over? So if if men were the primary murderers and 90% of their victims were women, you'd have something, but it's something like 90% of the victims are men. So >> everyone has the right to think what

Mayathey want and if they want to go out and if they and if they want to go out and if they want to go out and if they want to go out on the street and protest and walk about it and show their support and have a group of people showing that that's what they deserve. >> you can't you can go march in the street and say, "I think Rice Krispies are

Rachel Wilsonbetter than Cocoa Puffs." >> That is fine, but >> But I'm asking you guys what What do you mean, what's the issue with that? >> we want to stop them to start with? But why do you care? Why do you care? So I'm trying to see I'm trying to see why do I care? Because

Rachel WilsonI want to know where all of your political outrage is coming from. I want to know where all your outrage against men is coming from. >> like three times. But I've proved but I've proved to you that there's no water

Rachel Wilsonyou your statements don't carry any water. This delusion you have that men are constantly trying to victim victimize you and be bad to you is an a figment of your imagination. It doesn't really exist.

Rachel Wilson>> There's also a vast difference between No, it's There are Do you agree that there are objective facts? Yes. Okay. It's an objective fact that you have every right in this country legally that

Rachel Wilsona man does and probably more and it's an objective fact that you're not at least I know of any victim of some kind of overarching oppression by the patriarchy, correct?

Rachel WilsonOr are you? And if you are, I want to know specifically what that is. Other than I just think some men somewhere say mean things about some women sometimes. >> than it is political, I would say. I would say as a society women are treated

Mayadifferently. Like See, I think as a society women are very privileged over men. I think we're privileged, but I don't think we're privileged over men. Like I feel like a woman should feel safe like walking home at night alone

Mayaand I don't feel like that's always the case. Like if you're in a city or something and a woman's trying to walk alone at night, I guarantee you she either has pepper spray a pocket knife or something like that. >> a man walking alone at night in the city always feels safe? Probably not, but I

Mayathink a a woman a man's probably worried about being beat up. A woman's worried about being raped, tortured, kidnapped and that's thing that can't happen to a man, but I am saying it's more likely to happen to a woman. >> Did you also know that if you factor in

Rachel Wilsonprison rape, men are actually a higher share of victims than women are? That's not like they're not in our society. The world is not fair and bad things happen. What I'm looking for is actual

Rachel Wilsonevidence that women are somehow uniquely oppressed as a group by men. >> I feel like the only reason I have my opinion >> you start your statement with I feel like, that's by definition not going to be factual. That's going to be just opinions.

Maya>> reason I have my opinion about the way women are being treated is cuz have how I've been treated and how I've seen my friends be treated. I'm I don't know >> that's an anecdote. That's not proof.

RavenOkay, but okay, but Okay, but the thing is if all of these women are coming together to say, "Hey, I've personally dealt with these issues with men. I've

Ravenfelt I've I've gotten SA'd by men. I've had this happen. I've been uncomfortable." Like all of these things, if there's tons of women coming together, then that kind of there's a

Rachel Wilsonmessage there. >> Oh, okay. Well, if that's the case, then what if a bunch of Trump supporters come together on January 6th and say, "We really feel like this election wasn't fair." [laughter]

MayaI mean, it has to be proved that it's true cuz a whole bunch of people came together. >> people stormed the capital, they would have all been killed. They would have all been killed. I guarantee Okay, is

Rachel Wilsonthat why nobody from BLM rioted? That is once again you making a totally insane, completely baseless assertion that you pulled out of thin air. Please listen. I'm going to try to be nice, but

Rachel WilsonI need you to focus and not just say like wildly crazy, totally baseless [ __ ] I need you to try to live in reality and like come come back to something that's true for something. >> Any of the people on I don't I don't know much Black people were allowed to

Rachel Wilsonriot in the streets and burn down entire cities for a whole summer and nobody went around mowing them down. That was a government building that they broke into and I like I said, I don't pay that much attention to protests. >> federal build Yeah, you don't because

Rachel Wilsonyou would know. They've surrounded federal buildings. They have They have surrounded federal buildings. They have infiltrated federal buildings. They have Uh Portland, Seattle. My husband covers these all the

Rachel Wilsontime on his channel of leftist protesters breaking into buildings. Yes. Right now. They're right now. Yeah. Are they in the buildings? In Portland they broke in. The cops had to actually like

Mayashelter and leave because they broke into the building. Yes. I just she just >> mean you don't know? Do you think I made that up? Do I not seem like pretty well informed on my facts? >> but you could also just be really confident in what you're saying. So I

Rachel Wilsonhaven't seen any personal evidence on my side. But I'm I'm going to look it up if you'd like, but there's been several They set up an autonomous zone in two different cities and took over multiple city blocks and nobody killed them.

Rachel WilsonNothing happened to them and you probably think that's fine. So again, please let's get back to this. Show me any evidence of widespread oppression of women by men other than I just feel like

Rachel Wilsonwomen just feel unsafe. Okay, you feeling unsafe isn't proof of anything. You might feel unsafe and be perfectly safe. I look at I can't do anything about your emotional state. >> I look at what I've gone through and

Mayawhat my friends have gone through and stuff that men have done to them and I just think of like that can't and it happens everyone. That's why like those protests those people that are out at those protests most likely have had something happen to them and I feel like that gathering of people shows something.

Rachel Wilson>> that's anecdotal and there's how many men do you think out there could talk about their experiences with women, getting baby trapped by women, getting their kids taken and stolen from them in family court when they didn't do

Rachel Wilsonanything wrong, a woman cheating on them and leaving and taking the kids, a woman draining the bank account and taking off and leaving, women actually assaulting them and being domestic abusers and they can't even get police or anybody to

Rachel Wilsonreally take them seriously. You guys believe that men are stronger than women. Why aren't they just stopping them? Because what I'll tell you why. What do you think happens if a What do you think the risk is for a man if there's a woman that he lives with

Rachel Wilsonand she's getting drunk and throwing things at him and coming at him with sharp objects and things day after day and he finally in order to protect himself. I know a guy that this happened

Rachel Wilsonto. A woman drunk woman coming at him with a chunk of glass and finally he threw her off of him. She went to the police and said, "He He threw me against the wall. I have a bruise. He beat me up." The guy went to jail.

Maya>> I would just love to see a statistic that says women are more prone. Like didn't you say that 70% of the cases are domestic violence? I would love to see that statistic. My father was stabbed by a woman and almost died. have Brian pull

Rachel Wilsonit up. Again, I mean if you listen, I do this for a living. I don't say these things unless I know exactly where to pull the data from. I posted it to my X,

Rachel Wilsonso if Brian wants to pull up my X Um and FBI statistics. Uh these are very easy things to look up, but yes, it's

MarianaYeah, this is that's the way this is the way the world is. As like crappy as as shitty as it sounds, the world is the way that it is. I don't think that you have every right to do what you want, but I don't think protesting is going to

Marianachange anything. I don't think that changing get Oh, where?

Rachel Wilson2001. I can't believe it. That was over ago. Okay, the stuff I posted to X No, the stuff I posted to X was much more recent. I think it's actually gotten worse since this, but uh I can't see it good

Rachel Wilsonenough to read it. Um okay. If you go to my I don't know if he can dig it up in my X though.

Rachel WilsonUm but yes, it I don't know why you're so uh doubtful of my statistics, but I just find that very hard to believe. Why? Here's the reason You want to know why? And again, you're doing a woman

Rachel Wilsonthing. You're going, "This is my experience. This is reality. This is my experience." And I'm telling you there's a whole world out there that is not your experience. Um I've had things happen to me that most people never have happened to them. I don't assume that's

Rachel Wilsoneveryone's universal experience. That's not very smart. >> like I've heard more often than not in my personal life these experiences. >> that have to do with anything? You understand that your personal Let me

Rachel Wilsonjust say this again. Your personal experience does not have any bearing on the population at large and what the statistics are. You understand that, right? Okay, then let's not talk about that.

GraceAnd then like in your personal experience, you should in the moment am I feeling this because society tells me I should or is it something that like I've had experience with this? Like I

Graceremember growing up, probably you've seen, you know, you're a woman on the elevator and a black man gets on and you hold your purse more tightly. Like for a while I was an Uber driver and you know,

GraceI picked up um some Muslim people at a mosque and I I'm like, "If I was going by what the world says, I should feel like, 'Oh my gosh, they're going to do something horrible to me cuz I'm a woman I'm a

Rachel Wilsonwoman.'" But women shouldn't be cautious. I'm not saying that there aren't men that do bad things. I'm I'm asking them specifically. It's a very specific question and they've given me nothing.

Rachel WilsonWhat rights do women not have? What evidence is there of widespread oppression of women by men? Like how are you oppressed by men that you need to march in the streets? We We just keep saying the same thing over and over.

Rachel WilsonYeah, and and I and I You know what a defeater is? So if you say we're having a debate you say something, I say something that cancels out your something and makes it null and void and kills your point, then you have to We were saying our point

Rachel Wilsonover and over and over. >> But your point is just I feel like. That's not evidence of anything. That's not a logical argument in favor of anything. It's not proof of anything. Like you There has to be a good reason. Do you know what justification is? So if

Rachel Wilsonyou believe something and you have a belief, you should have a good justified reason to hold that belief. Otherwise, it could be a delusion and we don't want to live and operate off of delusions. I

Rachel Wilsonthink we'd all agree that's not smart. So, we're trying to see if your feeling that women are still generally oppressed by men is accurate. So, I'm asking for

Mayaevidence of your claim that women are oppressed by men. I have no evidence. I have I don't I have never went to college. I've just basing off of my personal experience. But, you do this for a living. I'm literally just some random person that works an everyday

Rachel Wilsonjob. >> [laughter] >> Well, I'm just The whole point of this show is to take normal average everyday women, which I was up until like what, 2 years ago. So, it's not like I've been famous in my whole life or something

Rachel Wilsonlike that. Or and I'm still like a very D-tier internet niche celebrity. It's not that big. But, the whole point is to talk to I'm really not a big deal. >> No big deal. To We're trying to talk to normal

Rachel Wilsonpeople, normal women, and explore their worldview and what they think and why they think it. And the rub with most women is the why they think it part. They're very sure what they think. They have very strong opinions. But, when you

Rachel Wilsonsay, "Why do you have that opinion? What's your justified You know, what's your justification for holding that belief?" They usually just kind of go, "Uh" or they give you reasons that are are not rational or not logical or don't hold weight when you examine them. So,

Gracethat's what we're trying to do. >> of women should like carry mace or whatnot if they're walking alone at night. >> Well, I never said they should. >> Okay, but but that would be more justified if you're walking in a place

Gracewhere like there is a lot of attacks on women. Like, if there's not really if that's not something like I don't imagine this is a dangerous place here in Santa Barbara.

Brian AtlasSanta Barbara's relatively safe, but I mean, you know, actually the statistics show that actually men are more likely to be victim of violent crime. >> Yes, that's what I was telling you. >> I could see that. I could definitely see that cuz of just yeah, gang stuff or not.

Brian Atlas>> I think you were trying to get some more stuff out of the list of the the rights that women supposedly >> still waiting for the rights that we need or evidence of the widespread oppression of women. Can I ask a

Lexi (NY)question quickly? Can you give me an example of how you've been oppressed by a man specifically in your life and why was it oppressing? Let me think.

SPEAKER_03You should have a lot. You just told us your whole life experience. >> this. Your whole life experience is just men endlessly oppressing you. >> it was men endlessly oppressing me. I said >> You

Lexi (NY)said your whole experience You everyone you know just like your whole experience is just >> a lot of your statements were based off of your experience as well as your friends, which means based off of your

Mayaexperience, what what what have you experienced? >> go. There's the source. 2007. That is still like almost 20 years ago. But, I mean, >> [laughter] >> so but even though we're really quick on the date Really quick on the

Brian Atlasdate here. Uh it it would occur to me that society has been moving uh away from misogyny. So, it almost seems like if the data 10, 20, 30 years ago indicated that the rates were like this then, I I think my and my understanding is there's uh violence against women trending downwards. Uh trending downwards towards women. So, even though the studies are from 10, 20, 30 years ago or whatever, I mean, 2007,

Brian Atlasthat's about 20 years ago. Uh I don't think that's actually uh contrary here.

Rachel WilsonYou know what else you guys should consider? The most violent domestic relationships are lesbian relationships. I I have friends that are lesbians and I I I've seen that myself. Well, actually

Brian Atlasthat's a really good point you raised, Rachel. My understanding is when you look at the not just lesbian relationships, but you compare homosexual versus heterosexual

Brian Atlasrelationships, so including gay men, you have two men and the this you I assume your position is men violent. You have two men in a relationship. Those relationships actually, interestingly enough,

Brian Atlasare the least violent when there's two men in the relationship. Then, you have heterosexual relationships in the middle. And then, the most violent relationships are when you have two women.

Rachel WilsonHow would you explain that? Uh well, I can explain it if they don't know. So, women There's a couple things going on. Men growing up have to do rough and tumble play with each other. They play sports. They play contact sports. They

Rachel Wilsonvery quickly learn how easy it is to hurt somebody and that they're strong and that they can hurt somebody and that they've got to get that under control. Women don't really experience that as much. So, that's one thing. The second

Rachel Wilsonthing is this is actually proof of women being so safe and comfortable with men that they feel totally safe attacking them in domestic situations. The woman is not really scared he's going to do anything

Rachel Wilsonback. She knows she's legally probably going to get away with it and that he really doesn't want to hurt her and cuz he could. So, women must feel very

Rachel Wilsoncomfortable attacking men in romantic relationships if the rate is 70% of them of the aggressors are women. So, I don't know if I buy this narrative that women are just so terrified of men because

Mayathey're so violent towards us and they're just waiting for any chance to That's not what I'm trying to I just I think everyone should not hate each other. No one should be shooting I agree. I think we all agree violence is bad. Yeah, violence is bad.

MayaSo, it sounds like we changed your mind. No, well, I I never I never was on the [laughter] standpoint of men are abusive. Men are bad. I No, I was on the standpoint of men are I thought if you're saying that

Mayastatistic is correct, which I I'll believe you if that is I want I'll look it up later when I'm home and see if there's anything more current. But, I'm just saying that like violence overall is bad. It doesn't matter >> to the restroom and I'm going to do it like this.

MayaUh yeah, yeah. I changed I changed the angle. >> matter. It doesn't matter who's committing the violence. Violence is bad. We need to stop hurting each other. Peace and love. Yeah, so So, I guess what what were you trying to

Brian Atlasdraw? Like, let's say that what if we were to grant some of your positions that men commit these crimes more often. What what are we supposed to do with that?

Maya>> all originated from her protesting. And I you guys were just saying, "Why are you protesting? What do you think you're going to get done? Why does it matter?" Well, >> [laughter] >> so what what Why does what matter? >> Why does her doing what she wants with

Brian Atlasher free time matter to anybody else? And why if she is in the streets walking, how does that What does that have to do anything? >> Well, I mean, hold on. That There's a couple different questions smuggled in there. But,

Brian Atlasone I think that, you know, often times these left-wing protests are protests that originate from more of like progressive liberal leftist positions or I guess feminist positions, these are

Brian Atlastypically many times are violent. In any case though, what are we supposed to draw from these assertions about men? Draw from the assertions about men?

Brian Atlas>> Well, so Can I ask you a question? >> [laughter] >> So, would you be okay? So, is this the framework? Men commit these crimes disproportionately. Women are the

Brian Atlasvictims disproportionately. Therefore, we need mass nationwide protests against men? I You know, I think all that matters is it's a demonstration of

Mayapeople coming together to show what they support. Like, the ice the ice protest, the no kings protest. That is showing that our country is not okay with what's happening. And I think Which is what though? What is the thing that is happening that is not okay? ICE

Brian Atlassupporting undocumented immigrants and then even documented immigrants deporting them and tearing families apart. That is not okay. Hold on. We can That's a separate thing. I'd love to We can get into it. But, let's stick to the

Ravenman the man component. Here, what you answer then. We really have to keep talking about men. Okay. Um I It's pertinent.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Okay. Um What What was your question? What are you trying to get at by participating What what are you trying to achieve? What are you trying to communicate about

Ravenmen? About women? What What are you trying to say? When I'm protesting? >> Are men bad? Is What What are you trying to do? Well, protesting. Like, why do I take to the streets and

Raven>> you Yeah, sure. Um I protest for things that I've personally been through, things my friends have been through. It's kind of It's empowering.

RavenIt's I've had friends like when I organize like a protest before, I've had friends literally tell me that they felt so empowered. They'd never done something like that. So, it's not always

Ravenabout just, you know, oh, this protest is going to change something that I want to change. It's also to say, "Hey, I believe this thing." And I think that everyone's allowed

Raven>> you believe? I believe in women's rights. I believe that women should not be Women's rights. Women should not be what? Treated unfairly. >> Treated unfairly.

Brian AtlasTalked about the way talked about in a demeaning way. >> Even even though women mistreat men, even though women talk poorly about men.

Brian AtlasOkay, that's fine. Can I ask you a question though? Is Let me think about this. I want to Really quick. I I We haven't done this segment in a while, but I think it's

Brian Atlasrelevant. Would you rather cross and I'm going to tie it all together. Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike? >> [laughter] >> Well, I wouldn't want to come across with a the bear. Okay. Cuz that would be

Ravenmy life at stake there and yeah, so I definitely would not rather have a I'd rather have a man. >> get the answers, please. >> I would rather have a bear. Bear? That's crazy. >> on the type of bear. Black bear, bear.

AnnieIt's a random man or a random bear. Random bear. Okay. So, what about you? >> with you? Random man. What would I rather? Man. Yeah, I'm going around the table and

Maya>> a man. What about you? A man. A man. Okay. So, bear, bear. Why do you pick bear? Why don't you pick men? This is my my my thought process in that question is that assuming the bear is aggressive, so that would assume that

Mayathe man is also aggressive, right? Is that Is that the the situation or are we just doing random men? So, it's assuming

Brian Atlasthe the myriad and varied ways in which bear a bear or a man encounter could go. So, you would agree that you can encounter a bear, nothing could happen, you can encounter a bear and it eats you

Brian Atlasto death, you can encounter a man, nothing happens, you can encounter a man, he could punch you, you could encounter a man, he could torture you and do all kinds of terrible things. >> If it's just like that, I don't care if I see a man or a bear. I've been hiking

Mayaand I've seen both men and both bears. But if it's in the situation where I'm assuming they're both hostile and aggressive and want to hurt me, I would >> not granted in the question. >> likely to walk away from a man attacking you than a bear attacking you. Maybe she

Mayadoesn't think that though. No, but I've I've seen [clears throat] bears, they've never attacked me. I've hiked in Tahoe, I've been My grandma has a cabin in Tahoe, there's bears outside. Never been attacked by a man or a bear on a hike. >> I've walked past many men without being

Ravenattacked. What's your answer? What's your answer? Bear. And my answer is that because let's let's just say that the bear was violent and literally,

Ravenyou know, ended my life. And let's say the man happened to be violent and ended my life. I would be

Ravenmore scared about what a man would do regardless of just ending my life, what else he might do versus the bear. But at

Ravenleast you would live. No. Hold on. No. No, I'm saying that if I'm assuming that the man does end my life, the bear ends my life, I would rather have it done by a bear because at

Brian Atlasleast that I have the expectation that that bear is the bear how the bear is going to kill me end my life. >> Okay, but this this sort of smuggles in an assumption

Brian Atlasthat in both instances you will be attacked. You now you also have to do a an analysis of the likelihood of an

Ravenattack. Yes, so but when this started being talked about on social media, um a lot of the reason that the women that women were talking about this is

Ravenbecause of the point that I'm saying right now. Not just oh, men are more likely to attack you than a bear or any of that. It was more so that women were scared about what a man what a

Mayaaggressive man might do versus an aggressive bear. >> Sure. What's that? It's well, They're leaving it with too many hypotheticals. Like if I like I said, I've seen a man and a bear, neither of which have attacked me

Brian Atlason a hike. >> into that you can So, okay, even if you don't make a a hypothetical granting of the nature of the person, so it's just left up to could an attack

Brian Atlashappen by the man? Could an attack happen by the bear? It could be yes or no in both instances. Well, if either of them could hypothetically attack me, I hypothetically don't know what I would do. >> get Yeah. Get the Discord going in the resources,

Brian Atlasthere's a bear segment. I want you to get that ready to go in just a moment. Um I want to reframe If I were to reframe the question and if maybe this might help, uh do you So, I guess a couple of

Mayaclarifying questions. Is it okay for women, because of their own experiences, to choose bear over men? Like everyone can have their own opinion. >> They would rather I mean, that's doesn't have anything to do with me, but I think

Maya>> Okay. if they want to choose a bear over a man, they they have the reason to do that, whatever. But you guys are reading I just I was reading the comments. >> Yeah, don't read those. Focus on the conversation. >> Okay, what was the question? Are you serious? Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Is it okay for men, because of their own experiences, to choose bear over men? Okay for women? Okay for women or men? I'm sorry. Is it okay for women, because of their own experiences, to choose bear over men? Yes, it is.

Brian Atlas>> Is it okay for Actually, wait, do I Is it okay because women have uh seen crime statistics that indicate that men perpetrate crimes more frequently than women for women to have

Ravena uh justified or even unjustified fear of men? If they're afraid of >> if if Yeah, if someone is a if someone is afraid of someone, they're afraid of someone. >> Okay. And then

Brian AtlasYeah, yeah, sure. Hold on. Hold on. Chill out. Let me get through [laughter] it. Um Hold on. I lost my train of thought when

Brian Atlasyou were prattling. Uh Um what was the other one? Uh oh, if a woman say she hasn't had her own experiences of violence, but she's

Brian Atlasbeen exposed to many, many Tik Tok videos or media pieces or uh news reportings of men who have attacked women, that even if she hasn't

Brian Atlashad her own first-hand experience, that this would then create justification for her uh picking the bear over men. >> If that's how she feels, yes. She can think whatever she wants. >> Now, let me change the hypothetical and

Brian Atlasyou tell me if you find it objectionable. Now, a white person uh was victimized once or twice or three times by black person. They now pick,

Brian Atlaswhen presented the same question, uh you replace man in the situation and you replace it with black person. And this person's white.

Brian AtlasWould you find it racist if somebody were to want to be confronted by a bear over a Well, not confronted. Uh encounter a bear over a black person.

Maya>> I think racism stems from like an inherent hate for a certain race. I don't think you can like I I I don't think it's a matter of being >> Could you Wait, can you inherently hate a gender? Yes, absolutely. I don't hate

Mayamen at all. I've never once said that I hate men, but I'm saying I'm >> I didn't say You said something about racism. I didn't say anything about racism. >> basically what you're implying, cuz you're saying they saw him three times to be afraid of a black man.

MayaWait, so is it sexist to be afraid of a man? And I didn't say black man, I said black person. >> I think as long like I I see sexism is someone who like has a deep hatred towards one gender and they act upon those

Mayabeliefs. As long as they're just thinking it and they're not doing anything >> Okay, but so why does it matter what they think? So, is it sexist for women to pick bear? Sexist for women to pick bear? I Mhm. I think it depends on the reasoning

Brian Atlasfor picking bear and it depends on the way they're thinking of the question. >> the three things I gave. So, either they had first-hand uh bad experience with a man, they are aware of crime statistics that indicate that men commit crimes more frequently than women,

Brian Atlasuh granting that, I guess. And then third, uh they see like news and media and Tik Toks about how bad men are, but they haven't had a bad experience themselves. Um

MayaI don't think it's I think that is sexist to just assume because it's a man that they're going to do something bad, but I feel like you can read someone's body language. Feel like if they're staring at you a certain way or something like that, then that's one thing. But I do think it is sexist to

Mayajust assume to choose bear because So, it's sexist? >> I think that is sexist, but Is sexism bad? when most people think of that question, they are assuming both of the part both of the >> No, I don't think they're assuming >> They absolutely are.

Brian Atlas>> They're not assuming that in both instances they will be attacked. It's not granted in the hypothetical. >> That's the way I've always thought about that question. >> is the way that it was intended. >> Okay, well then let me change the

Brian Atlashypothetical then. Would you rather Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike? And in this hypothetical, there's not a granting of in both

Brian Atlasinstances you will be attacked, you don't know. >> Okay, but this was not the argument on social media. This wasn't why >> No, because you can't make that

Rachel Wilsonassumption. The point of the hypothetical, the whole point of the man versus bear question, is to assess do women have a realistic risk assessment when it comes to men and

Rachel Wilsontheir aggressiveness? So, like if you and here's the reason why. Usually, the follow-up to this question is we got cuz and women will say what you said. Well, the bear is not going to

Rachel Wilsongrape me, but the man might. And so, I'd rather get eaten by the bear. Okay, and then we go around the table and say what percentage of men do you think would do that to you if they could get away with it?

Rachel WilsonAnd maybe we should just ask that because some of the answers are wild. Like what do you What percentage of men, on average, do you think would grape you if they thought they could get away with it?

RavenIf they could get away with it, mhm, maybe 20%. I'm going to say like

Rachel Wilson5 to 15. Okay. Um We've had girls say like 80%. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> That's a bit That's a bit So,

Mayahold on. But I do want to go back to uh But do you think it's okay if a woman picks bear? I I think they she can pick whatever she wants. >> She's You're fine with it? You're fine

Brian Atlaswith it? Okay, is it okay for a white person to pick bear bear over black person. Bear for a white >> Wait, for a woman to pick bear. I think that's fair. >> white person.

Maya>> if a white person sees a black person >> A white person I just >> picks bear over black person. I think either way >> You you would have to agree >> like the way I've always thought of that

Mayaquestion is that like I've said this already but both of them are racist. >> your explanation, answer my question. I don't think you're asking if it's okay. I it's not me not me personally. They can think whatever they want. I'm not going to this hypothetical person

Brian Atlas>> Okay, people can >> Yes, people can think whatever they want but the question would you object to their line of thinking? It's I would have to be in that >> Do you object to racism?

Maya>> object to racism absolutely but I don't think that's racism. You don't think it it'd be a little racist? I mean that is yeah. No, you're right. You're right. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. That is racist but

Mayaalso like That's like Everyone has a different train of thought. Like you guys are just all hypothetical. Like you're not getting What do you think would you object to a white person picking bear over black person?

RavenI I can't really object to something that's going on in their own mind. Their own feelings. If you can definitely object I mean I can't >> You object to how men talk about women

Ravenor how they talk about men. They a right to feel how they want to feel. That's not what I'm feeling inside. >> Wait wait wait. Outside and inside like You don't object to people having

Mayathoughts. That's useless in a conversation that's trying to explore whether something is right or wrong. >> I feel like if I would if I put myself in that situation, I saw three black people and they did something bad to me.

MayaThey attacked me or something like that and then I saw another black person. >> You're adding a bunch of stuff. >> [laughter] >> You do a lot of this and not a lot of this. So let me help you. Let me you got

Rachel Wilsonto Let me help you. The point of the hypothetical, the reason there's not all these details is to see what your assumptions are and to test Yes, it is.

Rachel WilsonSo it's there to test where does your brain go? What are your assumptions you're going to make and then what is the logic behind why you're thinking that? That's the point of the hypothetical. If we load it with a bunch

Rachel Wilsonof specifics, it's no longer serving the purpose. >> I just feel like it has to be specific in order to be accurate. What? >> But life isn't specific. Uh here, let me change it. What here, can I see can I change it?

Brian AtlasThat's the point of a hypothetical. I'll change it. Okay, do you think it's wrong for women to if say it's at night or whatever and they're walking down the street and they see three men, is it wrong for the women

Brian Atlasto cross the street? >> Absolutely not. Okay, if a white person sees a group of black people, is it wrong for them to cross the street? I don't think it's it I

Mayadon't think it's wrong. I don't I think Is it That's racist. That is racist. I will admit that it is racist but if they and they're like I I wouldn't do that but if that person feels very threatened by black people then they could cross the street. That's like they can do

Mayawhatever they want. >> Okay, but I you >> not asking me personally what I would do. Like that's the difference. She's looping. She's just looping. I don't But so What you want to say? But so >> Hold on. And what about you?

RavenI The first question was can people cross the can a woman cross the street? >> three men Yes. Is it fine from your

Brian Atlasperspective for her to cross the street? Yes. Okay, is it sexist if she does it? Is she a sexist? I don't know.

Brian AtlasOkay, cool. If a white person sees a group of three black people, not specifying their gender even is it racist if they're like three black people, I'm crossing the street. >> That is definitely a racist thought.

RavenYeah, I in most cases I believe so. And is racism bad? Yes. Is sexism bad? >> Yes. Well, yes. Wait, >> [laughter] >> is sexism only bad when men do it to

Brian Atlaswomen? No. No, I mean it Can women even be sexist? Yes.

Brian AtlasYes, women can be sexist but I think >> Well, Raven actually on the questionnaire you indicated women can't be sexist towards men and you agree with that statement.

Raven>> Yeah, so I was I was kind of like going through it and I was like technically yes, women can say sexist things or do sexist things towards men. I just don't

Raventhink that it equates to the same level. How so? Because men have always been in positions of power. Men have always like Yeah.

Raven>> What about now though? How does that matter I guess? I mean then I'm going to get into something that that's going to be a whole different topic. >> is what? I mean the

Raventhe reason why the president like the reason why the president is who the president is right now. I mean that's So you think that Kamala Harris didn't get elected because she's a woman? Yes, because she's a woman of color.

MayaOkay. What evidence do you have to support that? You guys think Michelle Obama's transgender too or you guys those people? I I don't think that but I don't see how that's relevant. I was just

Rachel Wilsongoing to say. Do you know off hand how many women voted for Trump? I don't. I have no idea. Probably a ton. a majority of what you think on that. >> Well, a majority of female voters voted for Trump.

Maya>> Yes and it's very unfortunate. But I I'm not surprised by it. >> I mean Roe v. Wade Is it Roe v. Wade is being overturned?

Rachel WilsonNo, it means that we're not murdering babies in record numbers. Yes, babies. Okay, what are they? They are fetuses. Okay. If you don't want to get pregnant then don't have unprotected sex. Wait let me walk them down the logic tree. Wait wait wait wait wait.

Rachel WilsonI'm with women so I'm going to >> Let me walk them down the logic tree. Is a fetus a human? No. Oh, what is it? A fetus. A human fetus. You know that fetus just

Rachel Wilsontells you gestational age and that the species is human. It's a homo sapiens, right? If it's not human, what the [ __ ] is it? You're not going to change my belief on this. >> I'm not trying to change your belief.

Rachel WilsonI'm trying to walk down the logic tree and see where you get the belief. So if it's not a human, what is it? A fetus. A human fetus or like a dog fetus or a

Rachel Wilsonpig fetus? A human fetus. Okay, if it's a human fetus and you abort it, you're killing a human fetus.

Rachel WilsonWhat do you mean it's not alive yet? Why do you have to kill it? If it's not alive, you can you can literally hear the heartbeat within two months.

Rachel WilsonIt doesn't even it's a biologists agree, okay? Don't deny science now. Biologists agree that it's alive.

Rachel WilsonYou just think it's not a person, right? She said it's not human which is wild. You said it's not human like three times. Then I finally got you to admit

Rachel Wilsonit. Yeah,

Rachel WilsonYou don't even They don't even know their own position. What left smart leftists say, not you people but smart leftists say it doesn't have personhood. It's human.

Rachel WilsonIt's alive. But we don't consider it a person yet. We don't exactly know at what point we do consider it a person or it needs to have consciousness. There's usually like a cutoff point in some kind of consciousness or personhood argument.

Rachel WilsonYou guys aren't even smart enough to come up with that. So why how on earth did you come up with this idea that you're not killing a human being that is alive? I think it's funny that

Ravenconservatives like to attack other people's like character or smarts when it comes to things like this. I think it's funny because you don't really see it I think it's funny that you believe in stuff

Rachel Wilsonthat you don't even know what you're talking about and that you can't explain when you're asked the simplest question. You don't You don't If you believe murder is wrong, then you're killing a human being. I'm going to say you're not

Rachel Wilsonallowed to do that. It's not up to your opinion. It is not absolutely Tell me how. If a woman was murdered while she's pregnant I'll tell you how it's murder. It's

Rachel Wilsonmurder because it's a human being who is alive. Why do you kill anything? Where do you Where do you believe consciousness begins? It doesn't matter

Rachel Wilsonto me where consciousness begins. Okay, fine. If there's a person, they're 22 years old and they were they have a debilitative disease and they don't have

Mayaconsciousness anymore. Is it okay for you to kill them? If someone's brain dead, yeah. Oh, you can just walk into the hospital and kill them? If someone is brain dead, don't they get I don't know much about it but don't they give you the option to let them take them off

Rachel Wilsonlife support? They're not conscious. They're in a coma. Well, I would argue that a baby's brain dead. It's like they don't have Do you think a baby So let's follow the logic. You think that if somebody is not conscious, it's

Rachel Wilsonokay to kill them. So if Brian has too much to drink tonight and he passes out on the couch, you can kill him cuz he's not conscious. Okay, so it's got to be something else. So what makes it okay to kill a human

SPEAKER_00fetus? >> is not a conscious being. It is a fetus. You know the definitions Hold on. I do got to move it on. We can come back to abortion later. >> They sold native $200. >> Thank you, man. At the end of the day,

SPEAKER_00you can trust a bear to be a bear but can't trust a human man to be humane. We cannot support this delusion anymore. How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning? Uh for you two, how would you feel if you didn't have

Brian Atlasbreakfast this morning? I didn't have breakfast this morning, I'm I didn't have breakfast. >> [laughter] >> Oh my god. >> I'm rather failed. Wait, wait, what is the question? >> Failed the breakfast one. I totally failed it. Totally failed it. >> you could trust a baby ferret. Uh thank

SPEAKER_00you based Thor, desert Jorge. John Cena. Talking about brain dead, holy cow. You going to call fetuses brain dead? has come to ruling on this panel. Chair two and chair three are full on [ __ ]

SPEAKER_00displaying clinical cognitive dissonance in front of a live audience. Brixon, it's time for the asteroid. Oh, I'll send the asteroid. It's been a while since we've done that. [laughter] Sending the asteroid, sending the

Brian Atlasasteroid, coming in. Uh if you By the way, we have other options if you want to send one in or is it a I have funny missile, split missile, and I think I have a nuke I can also send. >> I'd love to be nuked. Uh this one's

Brian Atlascrazy. Uh this is definitely not my girlfriend, but uh Brian's girlfriend, baby, I'm already tired of listening to the name mindless Who's this in Discord? mindless drivel from chair two and

Brian Atlasthree. Come home so my my wizard sleeves can cast grip 10 >> [laughter] >> and thrust seven on you. Okay, that's crazy. Hashtag be a lion.

Brian Atlas>> Your girlfriend's wild. >> That is insane. Um definitely not That's probably a dude who sent that. Um >> [laughter] >> Uh cowboy Larry, imagine you flip this around in this day and time men would

Brian Atlasrather encounter bear than women only because of the possibility of false accusations and being a creep. >> That's totally fine. >> Thank you, cowboy Larry. Thanks for your super chat. Mr. North Umberland, racism

Brian Atlasis treating or viewing an individual or group of individuals negatively solely based on their race or sex for sexism, regardless of context or circumstance. Power and privilege are relevant. It's like saying only people in power can

Brian Atlashate. That makes no sense because you were saying that uh when women do sexism, it's not as bad as when men do sexism, it's not as severe because of historical power imbalances

Brian Atlasand blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Yes. So, can I ask you a question? Yeah. Where How does the intersection of like socioeconomic or socioeconomics or class factor into this? So, like

Brian Atlascould a really wealthy woman who like sees a homeless man be like say some like really sexist [ __ ] to him and that's more severe than uh like a broke guy calling Taylor Swift a [ __ ]

Brian AtlasCuz you Would you say it's sexist to just like call women [ __ ] just cuz? Yes. But what if it's a broke guy calling Taylor Swift a [ __ ] So, Okay. power dynamics come into play there using your like backwards

Ravendefinition of it, but >> I think it's I mean I don't know. That's Yeah, that's like a good point with like the power dynamic

Brian Atlasthing. Yeah. Findom has all some power dynamics going on. Yes. Ooh, that's a good point. Yeah, you That's [laughter] like your whole basis

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Brian Atlas>> Okay. Let the grifting cease, I guess. Uh all right. So, where were we? Uh we were talking about the the the the protests.

GraceWait, we're still talking about this? >> so. Maybe. No, you brought it back to findom. Can I ask a question? Uh yeah.

Grace>> If you had to fight a bear and know that he was going to eat you and kill you or be sexually assaulted by a man, but you would live. Would you still choose the bear?

Grace>> Probably the man, but that's just like I In that's a specific situation. >> I mean, I'd rather be alive than dead. >> yeah. So, like that's kind of the

Graceridiculousness of the bear being the choice because you know, if I was going to be sexually assaulted man coming I mean, as long as he's not having a weapon. You have certain things you can do to punch him, kick him in the balls, you

Mayaknow. >> that kill women end up doing other things to like necrophilia, rape, like all that stuff, torture, like >> chats or But then you would still be alive at the end of that versus the bear eating

Maya>> after? No, you wouldn't. No, I'm saying the other stuff, but I don't know. There's It's just too open-ended of a question to give a accurate answer without specifics. Well,

Brian Atlaswe're going to shift off that, but I had a question for you on the findom stuff. Um So, you write that you don't believe findom is taking advantage of men

Brian Atlasbecause they are consensually participating. I guess we talked about it that a little bit, but I don't know if I got a clear-cut answer on the consent thing. Uh they're the ones seeking you out and

Brian Atlasbegging to pay you. Yes. Um Okay. Uh And then there's another thing you also don't believe all women should be stereotyped as overly emotional,

Brian Atlasdramatic, or reactive. We'll come back to that one. Uh going back to the findom stuff, you describe yourself in some of your bios as spoiled, greedy, wagian brat. Yes.

Brian AtlasWhy do you laugh at that? Isn't that It's part of the persona. >> Does that make you >> [laughter] >> Does that make you cringe hearing your own words or something? >> No, it's just funny. It's funny? Uh you say you're wagian. What What's your

Brian Atlasother half, I guess? Half Korean, half white. Okay. And you also describe yourself as a wallet drainer. Yes. So, you drain the wallet. Uh you charge a tribute uh of $40 to speak to you. Really quick,

Ravenwhat is a tribute for those who don't know? That is what a sub has to pay me to for me to reply to their DM. Okay. >> So, before I'll even reply.

Brian AtlasOkay. And you you uh had a simp funds a car. So, you paid for the whole car? No, that was not just one simp that funded the car. Oh, okay. Yeah. Do your parents know you do this? Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Are your parents still together? Uh no. Do you have siblings? No. Uh Is one of them not alive or One of my parents? What

RavenWell, I asked if your parents are still together and you said no, but Oh, no. My mom is the only one who's like in the picture. So.

RavenOkay. Were your parents married? No. Okay. Um your mom Both your parents know about it, though. I do I don't think that my father knows about it.

Grace>> knows. Yes. Is she supportive? Yeah, she was asking how to get started. Yikes. [laughter] Yikes. What's the most significant relationship you've had with a man? Huh? Me?

Grace>> what's the most significant relationship cuz if your dad's not in the picture, like do you have any other people in your life? You've had a three-year relationship, correct? >> No. Oh, not with a man. Oh, that That's right.

Grace>> you Do you mean just men in general? Like family, any any male person, not a sexual, not a Yeah, I mean, I had my uncle growing up. We were really close. Um so, okay. Your

Ravenmom wants to also start doing sex work. Sure. If if you if you do believe that findom is sex work. >> It is sex work. Okay. And you're entitled to believe that, then yes. Well, it's not just that I'm entitled to

Ravenbelieve it. It's factually correct. >> you said it's a sexual kink. Well, it's a it's a kink. But I also don't believe that all kinks are sexual.

Lexi (NY)But it's providing sexual gratification. It It might be. So, people are paying you to be sexually gratified, which means it's sex work. I'm prepared to

Brian Atlasmake the argument that Let's say even granting your We need to swap that chair. Get You guys need to be checking the chairs. Can Can you get her a non-squeaker, please?

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