Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30

Duration: 9h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)

SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves

Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm

ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear

Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases

Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions

ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.

Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer

QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasUm [snorts] Okay. So, let's say that 80% of your clientele it is non-sexual. Let's grant it. It's

Brian Atlasnon-sexual. But even 20% of them are deriving sexual gratification from it. Even if the minority of your clientele uh are deriving the sexual gratification, you're a sex worker.

Brian AtlasOkay. Now, uh you also write that uh Do Do have a man running your accounts or is it you? It's

Brian Atlasme. Do you have a manager? No. Okay. Um What was your most recent post about? >> [cough]

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I post on there all the time. Have Tiffany do it. >> [snorts] >> Uh Like can you verbalize some of the like the way you do findom? Can you

Ravenverbalize it? >> Yeah. Um the way I do findom I mean I just post >> complicated, guys. It's not that complicated. >> [clears throat]

Raven>> Uh I post selfies. I post like little little video clips like on X just uh saying like findom triggers usually. Um which are just things

Raven>> Can you Yeah, can you give us examples? Yeah. Uh just things like send me money for coffee, send me um you were born to

Ravenbe my wallet, like things like that. And um I mean I a lot of subs send me money and then

Brian Atlasdon't like don't even try to DM me. They just send me money. You uh you use some hashtags in one of your posts that I saw. SPH which stands for Small penis humiliation. So you

Brian Atlashumiliate men who have small penises. Note the women laughing here. Like I don't know how most of you would feel if for example I did findom and I humiliated women for having small boobs. If it's consensual They want it.

Brian AtlasThey don't like Hold on. Even if it was consensual, I think most of you would have some degree of like objection to me humiliating women who have small breasts. I've been teased my whole life for having small breasts. Right, then that's wrong.

Raven>> Okay, okay. I don't think that's okay to do. Okay, are you saying in a consensual way too that we would have a problem if if you like you were doing it consensually?

Brian AtlasI I do think women would have a greater objection to a man even consensually uh humiliating a woman consensually for her small breasts

Ravenuh as it uh as compared to humiliating a man who has a small penis. I think that would be true, but I don't think all women would agree with that. I think

Raventhat if a woman is not maybe experienced with kinks and it maybe she doesn't have any kinks of her own. I think if you do have kinks, then you can have some degree of understanding.

Brian AtlasGive us some of the lingo. You said there's like findom terms lingo. Can you just give us like three or four? Wallet. Human ATM.

Brian AtlasCashlet. Yeah, I I wrote some down. Pay pay pigs. You said uh in some of your posts this is what you wrote. I'm only going to use

Brian Atlasyou, go into debt for me, drain their pockets, two more victims. You You have a sub doing DoorDash orders just to send all of it to you.

Brian AtlasUh you really don't care You wrote you really don't care if you're in debt, go further for me. You like your ATMs obedient. So you refer to men as ATMs.

Brian AtlasYou're fine uh draining their pockets. You want them to go into debt for you. You don't care if they go into debt for you. So when it comes to consent Mhm. This is actual harm that's befalling

Brian Atlasthese men if they are in fact going into debt to fulfill this sexual kink for gratification. That that can be true, but honestly a lot of them aren't actually going into debt. There's a lot

Raventhat literally lie about how much money they have, but they have the fantasy of going into debt. And they want that fantasy played out. Can something Can someone consent to something and it still be wrong?

RavenIt depends It completely depends on the situation. So like what if a what if a 20-year-old woman is dating a 40-year-old man?

MayaIt's consensual, but do you think there's something wrong with that or you super cool with it? It's not my right to say anything. I think it's very dependent on the people. I think it's very dependent on the people and it's dependent on what they're

Rachel WilsonDo you think a 20-year-old girl can consent to being with a 40-year-old man? >> She's an adult, yeah. Okay. >> Yes. Fair enough. Consistent, I guess. You also wrote about pay pigs. You show

Brian Atlasnothing. So you don't do nudity. >> No. Even if a guy offered you like 500 bucks to send a nude pic, you wouldn't do it. >> no, I have been offered. Uh they beg to pay for your nails, make-up, trips.

Brian AtlasUh you have had vacations completely funded by men? Mhm. You've done it for years now. That You say you've made thousands and thousands of dollars bullying men. Yes. How much would you say you've made in total? Um been doing it like on and off for

Brian Atlaslike couple years. Yeah. Uh You started doing it at 18, though. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I saw a TikTok video. You said a new

Brian Atlassub approached you and already sent you $3,000. Mhm. I don't actually believe you. Okay. [snorts] Like Look, maybe it happens.

RavenI personally I just don't get it. So those are actually called whale subs and they will pop up once in a blue moon. I I just don't understand like the

Brian AtlasI mean maybe the findom component is different, but the sugar daddy guys where it's not necessarily findom like You could just get Not that I think men

Brian Atlasshould do this and I find it disgusting, but prostitutes don't cost $3,000. Like you could just [ __ ] a woman for like a couple hundred bucks. Not that you should. That's [ __ ] disgusting. The

Brian AtlasIt's gross, right? But I don't understand like these men who just like sugar daddy and give these women all the and it's they just want sex from these women. But like you Why would you spend X I don't know. The whole thing doesn't make

Ravensense. >> understand the sugar daddy situation either, to be honest. May I? Is that okay? So I think that from what is said men

Oliviahave a lot of risk when they come forward to try to talk to women these days. A lot of times they called misogynistic just for approaching a woman. So a lot of times

Oliviait is safer unfortunately for an unhealed man to skip to minute 2:11 or to pay someone that they don't have to risk being accused things by or they

Oliviadon't have to risk anything unsafe or being painted a certain light and that's really sad and it's not okay and it's definitely preying on a weakness because men societally do not have an okay space to come forward with anything happening

Brian Atlasto them. And that's I think Okay. >> reason. Uh we have Tyler Farrell here No breakfast, no brains, the capybara in red and Wednesday Addams next to her are

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Stream the what Okay, great music, whatever and the Wilsons are goated. Uh hey, thank you very much for the uh super chat, man. Really appreciate it.

Brian AtlasThank you, Tyler. Uh okay, well, um that's interesting. >> [laughter] >> Uh yeah, the findom stuff, I don't know. I uh

Brian Atlasnot a not a fan of it. Uh going to your notes, Maya. Oh boy. Uh you had some not so nice words I think directed

Brian Atlastowards Rachel Wilson or Andrew Wilson. Uh so you wrote that uh as one of your disagreements. You think

Brian Atlasconsidering who his wife is and how she has uh multiple or he has she has multiple baby mama's, daddies, whatever. You think his views his views are

Mayahypocritical. Well, I would assume that your view as being a Christian woman would be that you're supposed to be with one partner for life and you have your kids and you make your big happy family. But to my understanding you have

Mayamultiple baby daddies and you have had multiple relationships. Yeah, so you probably heard a bunch of stuff on the internet. >> and that's what I mean that's what I heard. That's what I heard. Okay, what

Rachel Wilsondo you think a baby daddy is? Someone that you are no longer with who you have a child with. Cuz when people say baby daddy, I'm thinking like a rando that you have a kid with. Not somebody you were married to. It's somebody who you were married

Mayato a baby daddy. >> what would you consider him now that you're not together? An ex-husband. But what about what's >> of your children? I still I still think it's baby daddy. Okay, but would would

Mayait be wrong Why are you assuming that it's wrong that I had kids with somebody else? I'm absolutely not assuming it's wrong. I My understanding just from based on what you have said and what I've seen your husband say that you would be in the position that you are supposed to be

Rachel Wilsonwith one person only. >> Yes, you are. Absolutely you're supposed to be. Yeah. But sometimes people abandon you and sometimes they actually physically abuse you. Yeah, that's And

Rachel Wilsonin that case you don't really have a choice. So So is it wrong if that happened to me and then I come out and say I still

Marianabelieve that you should be married Okay, so I have a question. Okay, so if you feel that way, you don't have a choice because he physically abused you

Rachel Wilsonwhich I'm sorry. What about women who were raped and want to have an abortion? Uh it still doesn't make it okay to kill another human being because the the person who was conceived is not the person who did the crime.

Maya>> Right. And it's such a low percentage. >> it was like their dad or their brother or something and there's a very high chance that that baby will have genetic issues. >> Actually, so I've done some research on that. The odds of you having like actual

Rachel Wilsongenetic problems from one generation of incest is very very very low. It usually only happens after multiple generations. So, like a lot of the Islamic world has a lot of genetic problems because they've had first

Rachel Wilsoncousin marriages for multiple multiple generations. So, the odds of that happening would be extremely low. Just because there's an chance that a baby might have a genetic problem is also not

Mayaa reason to kill it. Do you think that So, you think a woman that has been raped gets pregnant, she should have to bring that baby to term? What about she brings baby to term, has the baby, and she can't even look at that baby. She is

Rachel Wilsonso sad. It just reminds her of what happened every day. >> Why do you think everyone can just adopt? Well, actually everybody can adopt. Did you know that there's a waiting list of people who are waiting

Mayafor newborns? Newborn babies always always get adopted. >> I just feel like the the the mother's right should come first to be able to choose. And I don't think

Rachel WilsonOkay, I have I have a great hypothetical to test your logic on this. So, you might have heard that they're expecting we could have artificial wombs in the future, right? >> wombs? >> Literally an artificial womb. A womb?

Rachel WilsonWomb. I thought you said wounds. No, artificial wombs. So, they're saying maybe within the next 10 years. So, let's say they have artificial wombs and a woman goes to get an abortion and the abortion

Rachel Wilsondoctor says, "Great news, we now have another option. We can transplant this fetus into an artificial womb where it can come be grown to term and then be adopted out by someone else. Would you

Rachel Wilsonlike to do that?" >> If I was If I was in that situation, >> we still But do you still think we should have legal abortion if that option became available?

Rachel WilsonI think it's very situational. Like What would be a reason to still kill the baby? >> Multiple generations of inbreeding or that wasn't the situation. >> Okay, bar barring the most bizarre

Rachel Wilsonfreaking outlier of multi-generational inbreeding. Okay, just any other cuz you know the vast vast vast majority of abortions are just elective and just because of reasons like I don't have the

Rachel Wilsonmoney or it's not a good time for me. If there was an option to transplant the fetus into an artificial womb, do you guys both of you guys who are pro-choice, do you think we should still have legal abortion?

Maya>> I would have to think about that. I've I've never heard of that, but I would have to think on that. But I do think abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. If you're having consensual sex and consistently getting pregnant and consistently going and

Mayagetting abortions, that's not okay. But I think abortion should be available to the people who have been raped or the people that I like physically detrimental to their body to have a baby. I think they should have an issue They should have a reason to. But

Rachel Wilsonif someone is in there five times in a month getting abortions, I know that wouldn't happen, but like that's okay. What about you? What do you think? If there's an artificial womb option and we can just transplant the fetus, it can be

Rachel Wilsonborn at full term and adopted out, should we still have abortion rights? Should you still be able to abort it anyway? Is that what's the cost of this? Is there

RavenIt's free. What I would What I would personally do is I would of course like put it in the artificial. But do you think that women

Rachel Wilsonshould still have a legal option to terminate the fetus?

Rachel WilsonHow would the procedure look? It would just be like let's say it well it it probably wouldn't even be like a full C-section just like it would depend on the age, too. But

Rachel Wilsonlet's say that there was a way that they could do it endoscopically. So, you don't even have to have a big scar. It's just a tiny incision. They can endoscopically go in just like they would to do genetic testing on a fetus. They can just remove it, place it in an

Ravenartificial womb. And does the woman have any responsibility No legal or moral responsibility. I might have to think about that a

Rachel Wilsonlittle bit more, but that sounds like a good solution. Okay. I was curious what you might say to that because I've asked other women that question and they'll still emphatically say that we need to have the right to

Rachel Wilsonjust kill it because I And this one girl told me, "I don't want some person with half my DNA walking around out there. It's It's my right to kill that person." That's not how it works. Yeah, that's not

Maya>> [laughter] >> That's not Can we tie her tubes? I don't see I don't see a fetus as a human being. Like I don't I I know they're human. I know they're human, but I don't see them as like

Maya>> be okay with a cat having abortion? Yeah, absolutely. A cat Yeah, they do that sometimes, but it's just like expensive. Like if a cat has an abortion A cat accidentally was pregnant, absolutely a cat can have an abortion. >> Well, what I what I think this question

Rachel Wilsonkind of proved to me is that both of you, when given the option to just not have the responsibility, not be a mother, not go through the pregnancy and the birth, you did recognize that there's something of value there that should be saved.

Rachel Wilson>> I said I need to think about it. Okay, but you did not just immediately say, "Oh, it's just a clump of cells. Why would I even bother?" You paused and said, "I probably would." So, that tells me that something in your mind knows

Raventhat there's something in there of inherent value. So, me personally, that's not really where I was what I was thinking. I was thinking more so that there are women

Ravenwho do struggle when they get an abortion, they struggle with the decision. It's not just like a something they take lightly. I think that it would help a lot of women who don't want the

Ravenbaby, don't like do don't want to go through the pregnancy, any of that. I think it would help them to be able to do something like that. Yeah, but but doesn't that also prove that maybe

Rachel Wilsonthere's something of inherent value there. Maybe it's a human life and maybe that means something. Maybe it's Maybe I can't just dismiss it. Like the clump of cells thing worked when I was a kid

Rachel Wilsonbefore we had 3D and 4D imaging of of fetuses and embryos and things where people could see what is in there and that it looks human, that it moves and that it has a heartbeat and a

Mayacirculatory system even at 6 weeks old. I don't think the clump of cells works anymore. Everyone knows it's not just a clump of cells. I have my answer on that. I think the woman should always still have the right to choose. If she

Mayawants to I if if that hypothetical does come into play and there is a artificial womb, I think the woman should still have the right to choose if she wants an abortion or not, but I think it should be circumstantial. So, if like a woman was

Mayaraped or there was incest involved, then she can choose to abort it. But if it's someone just coming in cuz they got pregnant just on a whim, then they should have to put it into the artificial womb and not >> Okay, why?

Rachel WilsonBecause I feel like the emotional damage of knowing that someone who raped you has your DNA. >> I'm saying why in the case of we for the sake of the conversation, I'll just

Rachel Wilsongrant rape and incest, okay? We're talking about everybody else, elective abortions. So, why should somebody just going in for an elective abortion have to choose the artificial womb option?

Rachel Wilson>> is their own like that was their fault. But if it's just a clump of cells, it's not even a person, it's just tissue, why do we care? Why bother? I mean, if that's if that's the

Rachel Wilsonargument, I would say she should also have the right to abort. I think a woman should just they should be able to choose. >> That was what you initially at first said. So, are you rethinking the whole it's just tissue? >> think it's just a clump of cells and tissue and all that.

Maya>> you why would you say she has to choose the artificial womb option? I don't know cuz I don't think she should have been pregnant in the first place. She should have been using >> [laughter] >> protection. >> that's conflicted. There's something in your mind pulling you in two separate directions.

Maya>> my whole stance on abortion isn't necessarily about like is it a clump of cells or is it a fetus? It's more of it's a woman's body and she should have a right to choose with what she wants. It's not about like if she

Rachel Wilson>> the fetus is a woman? What woman doesn't have What woman in 2026 doesn't know how to avoid getting pregnant? No, they all do. They They all absolutely do. >> So, so they did choose. They did have

Rachel Wilsonthe right to choose and they chose to risk it and then they got pregnant. So, why should they be allowed to kill a live human being even if you personally don't think it's a person?

Rachel WilsonCuz it's not a human being. It is a human being. It's a human fetus. Human means homo sapiens. It means the species human. You're human. Everyone here is

Mayahuman, okay? It's a human. So, it's You can't say it's not human. Choose a different word. It's not >> It's not it like I I don't know how I don't know much about abortions in general, but depending on how fully

Mayadeveloped the baby is, that's one thing. But if it's like you've been pregnant for a week, like that's Are you saying that is a that is a human being? It's a living human being definitionally and biologically. You

Rachel Wilsoncan't disagree. That's a fact. That's like me saying, "This is a white table." and you're going, "I disagree." It is definitionally a living human being. So, what is it that makes it okay to kill it?

Maya>> Because it's not conscious. It's not it Like But if it's consciousness, so we're going to walk through this It's not conscious. What's a What's a better word for it? Like Yeah. I don't know not conscious, but like their brain like

Mayathey don't have I don't think babies are in the womb that like when they're just at that stage, they're not for forming thoughts. They're not like >> recognize a mother's voice. >> I don't one week? Two weeks?

Rachel WilsonWell, first of all, I unless I think you can only take the pill up until like at 8 weeks. I don't think you can have the surgical option until at least 8 weeks if I remember correctly, but

Rachel WilsonOkay, if it's just that it's not conscious and it can't form thoughts, once again, somebody in a coma. They we should be allowed to just kill them. If I'm a caretaker a whole life,

Rachel Wilsonthough. So, my husband was in a car accident. He is now in a coma. He's in my home. I have to like change his, you know, IV bag. I have to change his tube. I have to take care of him. But, he's

Rachel Wilsonunconscious. Why can't I just kill him? >> a life ahead of that, and you've known him, loved him his entire life. >> why does that mean What does that have to do with whether or not it's okay to kill a human being?

Rachel Wilson>> and I So? I I I The baby has also been alive. >> though. But, it is. It It is alive. It Maybe it hasn't So, you think you have to have experiences? >> Do you When does a baby's heart like start beating in the womb? >> Six weeks.

Rachel Wilson>> Six weeks. I think >> Five Five or six weeks. >> why don't we just make it so abortions can't happen until after six weeks? >> nobody knows they're pregnant and can get in to get an abortion before six weeks. Most of them have to happen after

Rachel Wilsonthat. The only way you can do that is with the abortion pill. Mhm. Well, I just think that women should have the right to choose. >> what we've found through this inquiry is that you don't have You have arbitrary

Rachel Wilsonmetrics based on your feels. That's what you have. You don't have any like any justified reason for choosing, oh, this is the criteria of when it's okay to abort and when it's not. You're like, I just don't think it matters because I

Rinajust don't. >> I have a question in regards to that, actually. So, I am someone that has been in like a a crazy accident, you know, freak accident, one in a million thing. I broke my back. Um I'm lucky to I mean, every day I'm

Rinagrateful, and I'm very happy to be alive. But, uh I was supposed to be paralyzed from the waist down. So, pregnancy for me, I mean, I obviously I I have an IUD, and I am very, very careful. But, pregnancy

Rinafor me is something that could leave me like rendered in a place where I Let's say my nerves decided to, you know, [ __ ] up during my pregnancy, and then it leaves me rendered in a

Rachel Wilsonwheelchair the rest of my life. Do you think that that is a an a case of, you know, where it'd be okay? Uh I wouldn't say it's okay because >> Because you do have the option to just

Rinanot get pregnant. Like, No, but no, no, let me let me let me get the like a really specific case here. I have an IUD, right? Which is over 99% uh What is it? Effective, right? Mhm. But, in the rare case that I was to get pregnant or

Rachel Wilsonhave an even uh What is it called? Like an ophthalmic pregnancy, where Ectopic That's not So, in the case of things like ectopics, that's not a viable pregnancy. The The baby can't be There's

Rachel Wilsononly one documented case of like an abdominal ectopic pregnancy accidentally making it close to term without uh the fetus or the mother dying. >> let's say that it did, you know, regular in the uterus, where it's

Rinasupposed to be, and I still did get pregnant, and even though I've been very careful, you know. Let's say it happens, cuz it does happen. It does. And especially in cases like mine, where it would leave me then rendered in a wheelchair for the rest of my life, just because I would be forced to have a

Rinachild. >> certain it would do that? Cuz I'm not. >> a chance, and I'm not willing to take that chance. >> But, that right there shows >> selfish, that's okay. So, if you shouldn't have sex. If you're not willing to take that chance, a lot of

Marianapeople jump into having sexual relationships, and they don't actually understand the risk, because if you're >> That's why I have an IUD, and it's very effective. >> I'm saying. Like, 99% is not 100%. If you No, but I would I do want to have

Rachel Wilsona child at some point, but I'm planning on just having a surrogate, so. Well, but you There's some issues with that, too. But, we don't need to get into that for this topic. The thing about those kind of things, I've been

Rachel WilsonIf I had $5 for every time I was told by a doctor, this is what's wrong with you, and they were wrong, like I'd be rich. Uh I had a doctor tell me after number five that I was never going to be able to lift weights or walk again, and I

Rachel Wilsonshould just get a walker. Idiots. Well, they have to tell you things based on um liability. Mhm. So, if there's like the tiniest, minuscule chance something could go wrong, they will try to like enforce that to you, so

Rinathat you can't come back and sue them. >> brain, like, knowing that a You know, we're supposed to trust the doctors, right? I mean, there's a whole bunch of fallacies with that whole system and everything like that. We're not going to

Rinaget into that. But, like, in my brain, I know it's a possibility that it would leave me rendered in a wheelchair. So, for me, that is something that like, you know, a after a certain time obviously

Rachel WilsonIf If we were having like a hardcore abortion debate, I think it'd be fine to spend time on that. But, I think for a dating podcast, uh taking like the really far outliers, I don't know. Like, I

Rachel WilsonMy personal view is I would not kill a baby, even if there was a risk that I could I mean, there's all kinds of risks for healthy, normal pregnancies. >> Sure. Absolutely. They're They're low. They're very low, but they do exist, and

Rachel WilsonI took the chance, you know, multiple times. So, uh you know, I had an epidural that went horribly wrong and could have left me paralyzed, and luckily it didn't. Great for me. Yay. But, uh I don't know. Let's see. What else do

Marianayou guys want to talk about? Does anybody else have a like a topic >> something real quick, cuz I In my experience, I Talking from my own experience, I did want to abort my son, because after subconscious thought, after

Marianaunderstanding myself, it was because I was scared to take commitment, to take accountability for actions. I'm a teen mom. Had to go to my parents with that. Had to tell them, hey, this is what I did. And I was scared, and I didn't

Marianaadmit that I was scared. I wanted to take an easy way out. And for most cases, because great babies are not as statistically, that doesn't happen to the norm of everybody else who are

Marianahaving abortions. And going by Yeah, and and going by that statistic, a lot of It seems like society just doesn't want to take accountability. Women who get pregnant don't want to take accountability because because um and this is the argument I hear, that

Marianamen don't want to take accountability. And that's the fault And I'm not saying that you deserve what happens to you. I'm not saying that um it was okay, but it's still you as the adult making the

Marianaconscious choice to be in this relationship, knowing that you could get pregnant. That happens. Doesn't matter your um birth control. There are I had birth control after getting pregnant, and I was still talked to about the risk

Marianaof getting pregnant right after um already having a baby. There was no the No doctor told me, yeah, this is going to be fine. Go ahead, have unprotected sex. It doesn't, you know, like you won't have a baby with this in there.

MarianaThat's They They gave me a list of birth controls, a list of disclaimers. This is not the only thing that will protect you from having a baby is abstinence. And no one wants to like really agree with that, cuz of instant gratification. I

Marianawant to have sex. And that's fine. We're humans. We're, you know, we have that animal instinct, but it's also like the understanding. Like, the whole idea about abortion is the argument of like if it's a baby or if it's not a baby,

MarianaI feel like is useless, because the real issue is accountability. Are you Are you somebody that can make a conscious choice and stick to that, hey, I had sex. I got pregnant. And now I'm going

Marianato do the hard work. That's just how it is, because that's your responsibility. And we talk about it being women's bodies, your choice, then you should already have that choice. Okay, if I'm

Rachel Wilsongoing to choose to have sex and get pregnant, I should commit to that. I was going to ask um Raven a question. So, your moniker online is Goddess Raven. Do you actually like believe in

Rachel Wilsonlike paganism, witchcraft, anything like that, or is it just like a a tagline? I actually do believe in witchcraft. Okay. Yeah.

Rachel WilsonIt's actually It's very popular. It's actually a very popular thing. I've done I've done a bunch of deep dives on it. Like, witch talk. Look up the hashtag witch talk. It's got millions upon millions of hits. It's crazy. But, I

Rachel Wilsonbelieve in a lot of things, actually. So, I know a lot of women who believe in witchcraft and goddess worship and like uh nature worship and things like that. Even a lot of indigenous cultures, they

Rachel Wilsonactually consider abortion to be like a sacrament, like a religious sacrament. They do. If you go to witch talk, you can find women on TikTok who will show you how to make a religious ritual out of your abortion. So, I was just

Brian Atlaswondering if that's like any So, definitely like not my speed. Um Okay. Uh >> [laughter] >> We have uh Just thought I'd ask. Hey guys, we have it on members-only mode. I'll take it off members-only. Let's get the likes to

Brian AtlasWe have 10,000 concurrent viewers. Let's get to 5,000 likes. We're at 4,400 likes. Get us to 5,000 likes, and we'll open up the chat. Uh so, like the video, guys. Also, you know what? We're just

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Brian Atlasyou can send in a read, send in a TTS, and you can uh propose a topic, propose ask a question. So, there is that. But, we have Gorlock the Destroyer. So, on a

Brian Atlasscale of 0 to 10, yeah, on a scale of 0 to 10, rate your own looks, face, body, total. You can't pick seven. So, when you're responding,

Brian Atlasif you can phrase it something like uh face six, body six, total six, something like that. Obviously, it can It could be face seven, or well, face six,

Rina[clears throat] body eight, etc., etc. I'm in the hot seat. Okay. Well, I believe I wrote on my paper seven on the face, cuz uh you know, I I I don't want I'm not going to dig into it, but

Rina>> [laughter] >> seven on the face. Um I think I'm a pretty healthy individual, and I give myself an eight on the body. So, we're at a seven and a half total. Okay. I'd say four face, four body. Total?

RavenTo four. Okay. What about you? 10 face, 10 body, 10.

SPEAKER_14>> [laughter]

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Grace>> Okay. Um what about you? Um six face, eight body, so seven. All right, what about you? 10 face, 10 body, total 10.

RavenConfidence. Yes, girl.

Olivia>> [snorts] >> What about you? I'm humble. I'll say three face, three body. That's Okay, that's just being ridiculous. Like, you're attractive. You're like, you're gorgeous. All right, what about you?

OliviaSix face, four body. Six face, four body. Total? Five. Okay, what about you?

Lexi (NY)I would say my face is like a five, six. My body like a seven. I would say I'm a total

Rachel Wilsonseven. Okay, Rachel. Uh, last time I gave myself fives, but I've gotten in much better shape since then. So, I'm going to say six face, six body, total six.

Rachel WilsonIf you're counting that I'm really old, maybe you could bump me up a half a point for being old. >> All right, I give For 45, I'm doing all right. I give myself 4.5, 4.5, 4.5 on all metrics. [laughter]

Brian AtlasUh, well, we're not going to dive deep into everybody's answers, but there's a few that have caught my attention. So, we have a 10, >> [clears throat]

Brian Atlas>> uh, a 10 a 10, and a 10. You guys, uh, I Well, hold on, a couple clarifying questions here. Um,

Brian Atlaswhere do I begin? If you had to assign a percentage, what percentage of women would you say are less attractive than you? I think all women are 10s.

Raven>> [laughter] >> Um, okay. It's meaningless. >> Okay. It doesn't mean anything. It means something to me, though. >> All women are I feel like I'm a 10. I feel like all women are 10s in different ways. So, a way that I'm pretty We're

Rachel Wilsontalking about physical attractiveness. Like, look, obviously if you had my brains and my amazing personality, I'm a >> [laughter] >> Is Rachel a 10 in your eyes? >> Is Rachel a 10? Yes. Is Is

Rachel Wilsonuh, hmm, are anti-abortionist women 10s? I can't say that. I need to see them. We're talking about looks here, right? We're just If we're just talking about looks. So, you can't meet the person, you can't talk to them, you're just looking at a picture of their face and

Rinabody. >> Is Gorlock the Destroyer a 10 to you? She is a definitely 10. I haven't I haven't seen Gorlock. I'd have to see them. >> [laughter] >> It's not Gorlock. It's a meme. Well, I

Rinadon't know her name, but >> Alweasley or So, all women are 10s. Yes. Are all men 10s?

Brian AtlasNo. Right. Why is it So, why are all women 10s and why are not all men 10s? In my opinion. I Yeah, I get that it's your opinion. Why [laughter]

Rachel Wilsonis it your opinion? I I honestly just believe that women are prettier than men. See, I kind of feel like I feel like when I'm out walking around in public, like I'm just at the grocery store, I

Rachel Wilsonsee a lot especially as people get older. When they're younger, the the girls might be better looking, but we're talking 40s, 50s, I see a lot of hot dads who obviously hit the gym and they

Rachel Wilsonlook pretty dang good, and their wife is like heavy and let herself go, and I'm like, dang. And he's still like rubbing on her and everything, and I'm like, wow.

Brian AtlasWe're lucky men like us a lot, you know. It's how I feel. But so, yeah, why why is it Well, how about this? Are some women more attractive than other women?

RavenI feel like it depends on who's Like, to me, like, can I look at one woman and say I'm more attracted to this woman than the other woman? Or am I just

Raven>> One's better looking than the other. >> Looks more beautiful. Yeah, talking about looks. But then that's based on my attraction. But sure, I mean, I can be more attracted to

Brian Atlas>> Well, your attraction aside, uh, can't you make a determination as to their physical appearance absent attraction? But that's But that's kind of like

Ravensaying Like, I know that there was there was someone on the podcast that liked like bigger men. Like, there was some There was some girl on the podcast >> chaser. >> Yeah, she You know what I mean? So, it's like

Raven>> So, an outlier. Okay. >> Yeah, it's kind of like >> [snorts] >> it's kind of like all preference based. Cuz like, she like, she could look at someone who like, everyone in here

Ravenbasically could say is more attractive Like, she could say they're less attractive, everyone else could say they're more attractive than the other person, but she still thinks that the other person who's chubbier is more

Brian Atlasattractive. >> let's let's map that onto like a million people. So, are you going to start seeing patterns in terms of assessment? If you Say you have a million people You have a

Brian Atlasmillion men and a million women, and you show all those million people pictures of 10 men and 10 women, and say they're of varying attractiveness, don't you think you would come to

Brian Atlaslike there's going to be some degree of consensus? Like, yeah, maybe the maybe, you know, this one person gets rates them very high in attractiveness,

Brian Atlaswhereas others don't, but like, um, who's a woman who you think is very beautiful? Hmm.

RavenThere's so many. Uh, Olivia Rodrigo. Billie Eilish. Those are just like people in the Billie Eilish? Yeah, so >> Yeah. Do you think that,

Brian Atlasuh, do you think that a lot of people would tend to agree with that? Yes. Okay. So, I would agree with that. I would agree with that. >> [laughter]

Maya>> Yeah. Uh, okay. Um, I don't understand why looks are so prevalent. Like, why as a society do we care about what people look like surrounding us? Like, if someone >> That's the basis of attraction. I know,

Mayabut I don't I That's not my basis of attraction. I don't care what someone looks like. I also Really? I really don't. I'm friends with some I'm not very I'm not looks-oriented. I won't I wouldn't date anyone. It doesn't matter. But I just I look at

Rachel Wilsonpeople >> you like asexual? Like, you don't have a sex drive? No. So, you have attraction. >> I have attraction. Absolutely. There's absolutely attraction, but I don't think it matters like So, do you If you have a a 5'4 bald guy with terrible acne and a

Rachel Wilson6'2 like athletic-looking Chad, like, which one are you going to say is better looking? Well, they're better looking, but why does it like matter? What do you mean, why does it matter?

Rachel Wilson>> understand why it doesn't matter what people look like. >> because you're going to pursue the people you think are better looking. >> the one that has a better personality and I feel like I'd be safe with. Yeah, that's total code. >> No, what happens is they have to pass

Rachel Wilsonthe looks test for you to be attracted first. Then you choose based on personality. I disagree with that. There is no woman on planet Earth who is filtering potential mates based on personality first and looks later.

Rachel WilsonThat's just a lie. I I That's baloney. Well, there's a sort of degree, though. Wait, can I ask a question real quick? Do you already have like a disordered attraction? No, I don't. That's your opinion. Being attracted to the same sex

Lexi (NY)is disordered attraction. >> Why do you care? No, it is not. Yes, it is. >> Hold on. Go ahead. Sorry. Um, I know you're not interested in dating, but if you

Mayajust feeling yourself, wanting to go out and get just a little Mm, right? How would you do that? I don't usually do that, but if I were to do that,

MayaI don't know. Like, would you go to a bar or a dating app? I wouldn't go to a dating app, definitely not. But if I ran into someone when I was out, maybe. So, how do you know anything about their personality? Well, I would never sleep

Mayawith someone the first night I met them. I would absolutely never do that. If they asked for like my Instagram or my phone number or something and we talked and hung out a little bit, and then something happened, that's one thing. But >> [ __ ] liar. I have never I have never slept with someone the

Mayafirst night I met them. I will put that on my dog, who I love so dearly. I will put that on my father, on my brother. I have never slept with someone the first night I met them. But is it not say that the likelihood of you giving an

Mayaindividual your contact information is likely because they were visually attractive before you got to hear what they said? >> I have never turned any Anyone who has asked to have my number or contact at

Mayaany time, I've never said no to them. If the amount that I will respond to them is a different story, but if someone like gets my number and then is just texting all day, every day, like trying to get my attention, I will not respond to them.

Brian Atlas>> So, a man's looks hold no weight for you. It doesn't matter whatsoever. >> That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying like >> why you So, then >> know. I would just say as a society

Maya>> So, you do cuz you Yeah, you were asking why does it matter? You know yourself because you just admitted that you care about looks. Yes, but I was more saying why does it That's I was saying in the context of

Mayalike society and people, why does it matter what people look like? >> That's why. >> Why does it matter? >> Because we all choose who we're going to make babies with If someone's ugly, they're just like chopped liver.

Rachel WilsonWell, no, threes match with sixes and sixes match with sixes, generally. Generally. But now we have this problem where all the women all think they're 10s. So, they look at dudes who are their looks match and they're like, "Ew,

Rachel Wilsonhe's not good enough for me. I'm a 10 and he's only a seven." And it's like Mhm. in reality, she's probably a five. She's probably average and she's dismissing average guys because she

Gracethinks she's a 10. I personally would rather date a confident, average-looking guy versus the "Ooh, who's that?" because the average guy is going to treat you better, I think. Not all of

GraceNot all of us are perfect. >> there's some truth to that. When men have all their options open, um And I think the guy that thinks, "Oh my gosh, how did I get her attention? I'm the luckiest guy in the world." If a guy

Rachel Wilsonthinks like that, those relationships >> Simps make my ovaries retreat. So, I do like a guy who I mean, I like a guy who I feel is like Like I feel like my husband's just a little bit out of my

Rachel Wilsonleague. I feel like I'm I'm punching up a little bit. I feel like I feel like one day he's going to wake up and be like "This is not the wife I ordered. They gave me a different wife. I ordered the I ordered the eight." And I'm I'm just going to ride it until he figures that out. But

SPEAKER_00>> I would have rated you higher than you rated yourself. >> Well, thanks. He rates me higher than that, too. We have the TTS here. >> a naked $200. You have your boobs hanging out and you're all made up and you don't know

Mayawhy looks matter. Oh, shut up. >> I have no makeup >> you're awesome. Thank you. >> I have no makeup on and my hair is up in two I don't know how I'm all done up. I have boobs that are going to be out.

Raven>> Your outfit says Your outfit says, "Look here, not here." >> [laughter] >> She just has boobs. And she did If she didn't have Her shirt's like the same as mine. Okay,

Mayabut she has boobs. She has She has boobs. Her shirt Her shirt's the same as mine. Look. That is base but you don't have boobs. If I If my boobs were in that shirt, it would be like >> boobs, it's completely different respectfully. Absolutely not. I just

Rachel Wilsonchoose to not wear shirts like that because I know my body. >> You know, I hear this cope about like I'm a busty chick, too. I've been in my whole life. Even when I was 117 lbs, I had biggins, okay? But yeah, little tank

Rachel Wilsontops look [ __ ] on me than they do on my sister who's got little boobs. That's life, you know? So, if you got biggins, you need more coverage. That's how that goes. We have a chat here from Only Jokers.

Brian AtlasAfter watching for a while, the Libyan the corner, for men to suck so bad, you sure have a very comfortable life because of men. And ironically, your whole life and well-being is centered around men. Do you want to Do you respond to that?

RavenAs it should be. Oh, okay. >> [laughter] >> So, men should just give you stuff. Yes. Why? Because I deserve it. Why?

Rachel WilsonBecause I want it. >> Because you exist and you want it? Yes. >> don't think that's actually narcissistic? You could call it narcissistic. It's entitlement. >> So, you're a psychopath. So, you're a psychopath. Do you think that narcissism

Ravenand entitlement is like fine and you're cool with it and you think that's good? to diagnose me with a actual mental health disorder? Maybe. Okay. We can take that up.

Raven>> have Yeah, do you have? No, I am not No, I don't have antisocial personality disorder. >> you been diagnosed with anything? No. Don't take any psych meds or anything?

Rachel WilsonNo. No anxiety or She seems actually narcissistic because she seems super comfortable like hating men, taking advantage of them. Uh she thinks that narcissistic sociopathy is

Rachel Wilsonfine but she's worried about men and how they talk about women. You realize these things don't make sense. In fact, it seems more like you're playing a character. Maybe to support your findom grift.

Brian AtlasYou know what? I actually think it's completely genuine. I think she thinks men are >> [laughter] >> I think she thinks men are trash. I think she thinks men suck. Uh and she's comfortable. May I ask her a question quick?

Annie>> Yeah. If if um a woman and she was an attractive woman came on your findom and she wanted to, you know, do these humiliating things. >> That's a good question. >> Would you do it since you, you know, hate men and

Ravenlove women? Since So, I've actually had fem subs. Like I've actually had females send me money before. Um

RavenI've never had I've never had a female actually want to be humiliated per se by me. Like I've

Ravennever gotten like specific requests like that, but I have had like girls send me for coffee and just like little things and stuff. I love the sisterhood.

Brian Atlas>> Is there any point though like if >> No, like there are female subs. Well, I do got to bring it back to the topic we were discussing which is the looks rating thing here. So, um all men are 10s. Or sorry, excuse me.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> You think all All women are 10s but not all men are 10s. Yes, and yeah. That's interesting how that works. Um are there any men who are more attractive than women?

Brian AtlasLike conventionally, yes. But I'm confused. If all women are 10s but not all men are 10s. Not all men are 10s. Some men are 10s but if all men if some men are 10s and all women are 10s

Brian Atlasmaybe there's a man who's just as good-looking as a woman but it wouldn't be possible for a man to ever be better-looking than a woman from your perspective. Yeah, I think it's just like I'm I'm looking at it in a

Ravendifferent way. I think all women are 10s just based on like not conventionally not because of conventional attractiveness

Ravenjust because like all women are beautiful in different ways. But not all men are beautiful in different ways. Yeah, I guess all men can be beautiful

Brian Atlasin different ways. But is it possible for a man to ever be more attractive than a woman? Conventionally, yes.

Brian AtlasBut I'm But Well, non-conventionally, no? Not really. I mean >> So, it's impossible for a man to non-conventionally

Ravenbe more attractive than a woman. Well, there's there's men that like a lot of straight women will say are just like the hottest and they're they're usually

Ravenreally tall, like they're built, they're like They They look very similar. Like >> Sure. Uh

RavenThe most women would come to a consensus on the fact that that man is like attractive. For me personally, I

Ravenprobably wouldn't see that man as being that attractive but I can still I still know that most women would say that that's a conventionally attractive man.

Brian Atlas>> going to you, you also gave yourself a 10. Uh do you think all women are 10s?

MarianaI think that all women believe what they want to believe based on societal conditions. The reason I gave my 10 was because of my own delusion in myself. I feel

Marianalike if I have to see myself as the best for anyone else to love me unconditionally cuz if I don't unconditionally Hold on. If I don't unconditionally love myself cuz I'm not rating myself based on

Marianawhat you said, conventional society standards. I'm rating on myself on how I see myself in the mirror. And that's usually not everybody else's 10 but that's my 10. And if I don't see myself with this unconditional love, I can't

Marianaexpect to find that in a partner. If I don't see myself as a 10, then I don't know if my partner would also see me as a 10 regardless of conventional standards. That sounded great like self-help stuff

Rachel Wilsonbut I will say first of all, I don't think in romantic relationships there's any such thing as unconditional love. All romantic relationships are conditional. If my husband tomorrow stopped acting like the man he's always

Rachel Wilsonacted like and started acting like some kind of jerk to me, I don't think I'd love him as much. You know what I mean? And same thing, if I started treating him badly or if I cheated on him or something, I don't think he'd love me as much either.

Rachel WilsonAnd me understanding and acknowledging that I am an average-looking woman, I'm I'm not I don't walk down the street and people like, "Oh my god, who is that woman?" That's They're like, "Oh,

Marianathere goes that normal-looking lady." You know, that's an ego-driven decision. My delusion is fed on my own like you said, self-help, on my own confidence in myself. But if you think this way and expect other

Marianapeople to look at you with the conventional standards. If you think you're better than everyone else and expect to get a exceptional level of um of a man

Marianabecause of how you look, I think that has a lot to do with your own ego and not reality of yourself. If you say, "Hey, I'm confident in my body. I know for a fact that in uh society standards,

MarianaI would not be considered a 10. But if I can walk in this world and consider myself a 10, I'm walking confident and I know that my confidence will be more attractive. >> I think I'm a very confident person. I don't I don't know if that Yeah. I don't

Rachel Wilsonknow if that comes across at all but I'm confident but my confidence isn't based on me having to tell myself that I am a a 10 looks-wise or that I'm the prettiest girl in the room or something

Rachel Wilsonlike that. I can say I'm average-looking and as a total package, I think uh there's a lot of reasons a guy would want to be with me and I could probably get a pretty good guy for myself and I did. >> Let's test this out though. So,

Brian Atlasusing your framework of you think that if you have this confidence that that is going to be magnetic and that is going to enable you

Brian Atlasto get higher quality men, more top-tier men, more attractive men. Let me propose this. A [snorts] morbidly obese woman who has,

Brian Atlasperhaps, the most confidence in the world. She and it's true, she genuinely believes it, she's a thousand times more delusional than you. >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> She She has an aura to her. She's so confident. She's so has such strong belief in her. She weighs 500 lb.

Brian AtlasVersus I could I could also put her in a room next to the most physically beautiful woman you've ever seen, but she's deeply insecure. Do you really humble about it, maybe?

Brian AtlasYeah, but she's just very insecure and she nitpicks her looks and stuff. Is it your belief that the 500 lb

Brian Atlaswoman's aura supersedes the palpable

Brian Atlasjaw-dropping beauty of this woman and she that 500 lb woman would outcompete the beautiful model when it comes to dating?

MarianaNo, I don't believe so and that's my point is that I don't That was your point, wasn't it? No, my point is that I believe that my own attraction has to come from myself and my confidence and

Mariananot being humbled and seeing yourself as a 10 for yourself can be true. Both those things can be true. If you are ego-driven, if this

Marianadelusional person was like looking at this model, right, and said, "No, for a fact, I could get more men than you." If we're going by that hypothetical, then I feel like they haven't done the

Marianareflection of society because this is the world and this is society and society does base a lot of their wants on attraction, on physical attraction.

MarianaWe are human, we see and we want and um a lot of people disregard the fact that even though you can be like in very confident in yourself, disregard the way

Brian Atlasof the world. This is This is completely contrary to what you just said earlier, which was, "If I have this confidence and I'm moving through the world, that's

Marianagoing to enable me to attract uh better men, essentially." Isn't that Is that not what you said? I guess I misspoke because it wasn't better men, but I

MarianaI feel like what I how I see myself is reflected in other people. If I see myself as a piece of shit-looking person, I don't expect my partner to

Marianasee me as this most beautiful person. I don't expect that because if I see myself as a piece of [ __ ] subconsciously, they're not going to see me as beautiful, either. But, don't you think it's equally delusional So, I

Rachel Wilsonthink it's equally delusional for cuz you are pretty. You got like this cool Pocahontas vibes thing going on. You got a pretty face. You're a pretty girl. I don't think you need to tell yourself you're a 10. I think you could just say I don't tell myself I'm a 10. I'm

Marianaanswering a question. They said, "Do you see yourself as a 10?" And I'm not going to be, "Well, I see myself as a five." That's my opinion of myself. If I have that opinion of myself, I want it to be the absolute best.

Brian AtlasAnd just to be clear, we are talking about looks, right? Like you can see yourself in like a totality sense, encompassing your personality, your friends, your family. That's what I'm saying is that I have to be able to look

Marianaat myself in the mirror and decide that I'm a 10, not what society decides for me, but what I decide for myself. I notice you're wearing makeup. Do you when you look in the mirror, cuz

Brian Atlasyou said when you look at yourself in the mirror, is your assessment of you are you less are you not a 10 before you put the makeup on? No, that's not true at all. So, you're a 10 before you put

Brian Atlasthe makeup on. I'm a 10 at all times. I'm a 10 at all times. Yeah. Defend yourself at all times. I mean, but then why the need to put on the makeup if you're already a 10? Cuz

Marianait's fun. I love putting on glitter. It This is the funnest thing that I do, yeah. My son loves it. I love it. I love it. A lot of people feel like there's a reason. Thank you. Well, you've got the

Marianaface and you've got the fake lashes, right, and you've got the mascara and you've got some eye shadow. And I love putting on glitter. I love the glittery things. I love that we are in a world where we can do that kind of

Mariana[ __ ] I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of a ferret. I like sparkly things, too. And [laughter] I like the fact that I live in a country where if I choose to wear makeup, I can do that. If I don't want to wear makeup, I don't have to do that. It's lit. I love dressing up. It's

Marianafun. A lot of people don't do things just because it's always, "Oh, if I can get a man or if I can get this, I do this for that." Instead of maybe I just do it just cuz it's fun and I could die in like two seconds, you know. You never know what's going to happen, so I'd

Mayarather die with glitter on my face. Do you guys think it's wrong to try to look attractive for your man, though? No. No, not at all. Okay. I think you should try to look attractive for yourself first, but then secondarily, a man. Like if

Marianathat's your only goal if you're like if your goal is to make yourself look better because you're insecure that you don't look good, that's that's stuff that you need to think about. That's not

Marianalike like some people show up as desperate. Oh, I need to do this, this and that and that way I will earn a earn a a good whatever, but their intention is wrong. It's super Maybe

Rachel Wilsonthis is just me being married for a really long time, but I think like for me it's important to still be attractive to my husband. I still want his attention. I'm still hoping that like when I walk by if he's playing video games, he'll at

Marianaleast give me a little and I think that's really [snorts] important there, too, because I heard you say something about like, "Oh, like how can I be with this wife who let themselves go?" I think that in all cases, if you look your best to get

Marianasomeone, then stay looking your best. I think that if you're doing things just to get someone and then completely stop doing whatever that was, I think that is entering a relationship. Yeah, that's false and I think that's

MarianaShow up exactly as you were going to show up, you know, regardless. If you're somebody that puts on makeup every day, put on makeup every day. If you're doing it only to get a man and then get mad, "Oh my god, he doesn't love me because I don't wear

Brian Atlasmakeup." There's a There's a lot to say about that. Really quick on the makeup thing. I I've been trying to conceive and create and invent a way to properly

Brian Atlasarticulate some of my objections as it relates to makeup because I feel like sometimes it doesn't quite I mean, from my perspective and there's obviously it's not just

Brian Atlason-off switch, black or white. I think there's a scale to the level of deception, fraud, misrepresentation. A woman wears a bit of eyeliner, that's different than a woman who's full face

Brian Atlasof makeup, contouring, powder, fake lashes. Then you can even get into plastic surgery, lip filler, Botox, using filters. There's a scale, there's

Brian Atlasa severity to it. But, I wonder if if it was framed like this and perhaps in the future something like this will

Brian Atlasbe real. Imagine nano robots that >> [laughter] >> micro robots that and thousands or even millions of them that can maneuver themselves on someone's face, either

Brian Atlasboth a man or a woman, maneuver themselves on on someone's face so as to completely, maybe not completely, like there's still a character of them there,

Rachel Wilsonbut you know, reshaping the jaw. Exactly. There you go. You're >> [laughter] >> close, today. You're close. You're close, Rachel. You're close. That's me from another dimension 20

Brian Atlasyears ago with plastic surgery. Doesn't even look like me at all. It's very close, Rachel. I mean, you know, look, it was ChatGPT. It took its liberties, but but I I would say that I

Brian AtlasI I think women, if, for example, you ran into this guy who's the most beautiful man, handsome man you ever saw and he had some futuristic nano robot

Brian Atlasthing that changed his face and then when he took it off, he his skin was all [ __ ] up and he was balding and he could create fake hair,

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