Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30

Duration: 9h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)

SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves

Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm

ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear

Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases

Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions

ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.

Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer

QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> Your statement about the looks thing, that was within While women can bring their looks and that can be a value if you're a model or something, I guess.

OliviaYou were talking about relationships. Um I see it in a way I don't agree with that is unfortunately accurate and true to society where they are paying for OnlyFans. I mean, it's an

Oliviaobvious statistic that there are over 4 million girls doing OnlyFans and there aren't anywhere near 4 million men doing OnlyFans because women wouldn't pay for that. They pay for smutty romance novels

Oliviato secretly replace their husbands instead. So, they go on to look for body parts and things like that and that is why I think it's important in a relationship to like avoid the toxic

Oliviaside of that because it's like, "Hey, if I pick the person that I think is the best in every way, why am I going to go Google boobs when I have my favorite ones right here?" And that's where like the value lies, but I think there's unfortunately a monetary value and I

Oliviaknow women know that with pink tax and when feminism happened, even though women were given the right to. And I'm not saying all women. There are women in untraditional jobs, which

Oliviais great. But most of them are choosing jobs in hair, makeup, fashion, things that have to do with the way they look. So, it feels like women feel that way on a mass

Olivialevel, but don't really want to admit it because they want to find another reason to label something misogynistic, I think. But Uh okay. I've actually said a few times after

Gracegoing to beauty school that it kind of saved me. I was in a really low place before that, but everything that I learned in beauty school just

Rachel Wilsonreally helped me like have more of an identity, too. Yeah, the whole I need to find myself, I don't have an identity. I don't get that. Maybe you can explain that cuz women say that all the time and I've that's a

Rachel Wilsonproblem I've never had. I've always known who I am. I've always known what my identity is. I don't know how you >> How old were you when you got married? Uh the first time I was 22.

Grace23. Okay. I feel like you know, I got married young. I hadn't developed a career of my own. I didn't do that. I had my first baby at 20. I followed my ex-husband everywhere the

GraceMarine Corps sent him. So, at that point in time, if I had met you, I would have said, "My husband does this. My son is this age." I didn't really have something aside from I'm a mom. Yeah, but see like

Rachel Wilsonbefore that, like growing up, I was known as the smart girl who was really good at art and music. I played like seven instruments. I painted. I drew. I had stuff that was in art galleries. I I

Rachel Wilsongot ridiculously good grades without trying very hard. So, that was like my identity. Then I became a mom and I was like, "This is amazing. I want to do this as much as possible." And so now I'm all those things and I'm a mom. And

Rachel Wilsonthen I got married and so now I'm all those things plus I'm a mom and I'm a wife and I'm a Christian, which is my primary identity over everything else that will never leave me my whole life. So, I don't

Rachel WilsonI think when women say I didn't know who I was or I lost my identity when I had a kid or things like that, what they're really saying is like, "I need to find something to do. I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored." To be honest, I think

Rachel Wilson>> I mean >> we psychologize everything and turn it everything into this like massive problem or crisis when it's not. It's like you have food, you have a roof over your

Rachel Wilsonhead, you're not starving, you're not in pain, you're you don't have cancer, you're not dying, you're fine. You like if you don't know your identity, like get a hobby. I don't I just I think I

Oliviajust I don't get that. It drives me nuts. What's wrong with being a mom being a part such a large part of an identity? >> I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Like, "Hey, I take care of someone," but that's it. Like, I just

Gracedon't understand that mindset. >> and molded them from absolutely nothing. Who am I? I feel like right now as a 44-year-old, like I love the I'm a mom

Rachel Wilsonidentity. Like I really I feel like I've grown into that. >> telling you that being just a mom was like for lazy people or losers? Like, "Oh, you don't even have a career. Wow.

GraceLike, what do you do all day?" There was definitely the aspect of like he was the one who was working and like I had been working before our son was born and you

Graceknow, child care is so ridiculously expensive that often if a mom works the majority of the money goes to child care anyhow, so Well, why do you think you needed a job?

Rachel WilsonLike, what how was a job That was like 20 years ago. Like >> Yeah, what do you think it was when you were in your 20s and you felt like, "I'm nobody because I don't have a job."

Rachel Wilson>> had I been in a relationship that I felt I was happy in. I mean Yeah, but relationships aren't for making you happy. This is another

GraceNo. No. No. So, you were looking to him for your identity? No, that's not that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if if you are in a relationship where you

Rachel Wilsonboth are feeling fulfilled and you know, supported and like you're happy then So, you have a different mindset, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm wondering So, like

Rachel Wilson>> cuz it sounds like you had the mindset that all of the pop culture tells women to have, you know, where you're constantly look you're almost looking for the unhappiness. There's two major studies that have been

Rachel Wilsondone. One was at Cambridge, the other was I think University of Pennsylvania. Huge sweeping broad studies that lasted uh the first one was like 10 years. The second one was about the same and the first one they did mostly in the west,

Rachel Wilsonthe second one they did other cultures to see if they could duplicate the results. The first one was called the paradox of female happiness. The second one almost the same name, the paradox of women's declining happiness. And it's

Rachel Wilsonfunny because in the intro where the authors break down their findings, they said, "Uh we have found overwhelmingly that everywhere in every time across

Rachel Wilsontime regardless of race, culture, or financial situation that women are unhappy. Women are just more affected by negative emotion. They are just more they're more

Rachel Wilsonup and they're more down. We just do this a lot. And I think the worst advice we give young women is you should be happy. If you're not happy, there's something wrong. If you're not happy,

Rachel Wilsonyou need a life change. You either need to switch a career or get a divorce or find a new man. It's like, you're going to be unhappy. And the only way you solve that is finding it like, you know,

Rachel Wilsonwithin you through God, understanding, you know, that simply the fact that you're alive is a miracle and that's enough and that every single day you get to decide what you're going to do with your life that day and who you're going

Rachel Wilsonto be that day. And even when you're going through it and things are not good, you still have that power to to make those decisions every day. But what the pop culture tells us is if you're

Rachel Wilsonunhappy it's probably a man, first of all. >> [laughter] >> Like Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift would tell you they are useless. Or that or that you need, you know, a

Rachel Wilsonjob. You have to have a career. You need to be fulfilled and like all those words are buzzwords that don't really mean anything at the end of the day. And I think it sounds to me like you got really hit with all that propaganda from

Rachel Wilsonour generation. I did, too. I did, too. I think we all There's probably a little bit of that, too. But like [clears throat] you know, there would be times where like

Gracehe would like continue to go at me and go at me until like he got me to cry. And then like the next day he would always come back and be like, "All right, I told myself I need to stop." But like there was just something in him

Brian Atlasthat he wouldn't stop like getting upset with me until I was crying. Mhm. Uh Well, let's continue on with the people's relationship status. What about What about A really quick, actually.

Brian AtlasHere, we got the um No, no, hold on. Hide that. Uh >> [laughter] >> All right, guys. It's members only mode for the chat. There's 10,000 concurrent viewers right

Brian Atlasnow. We need to get the likes. We're at 1,500 likes. We need to get the likes to 3,000 and then I will free the pores. I will free you. You guys get us So, if you

Brian Atlasguys are watching, I need to see 3,000 likes on the video and we'll we'll open it back up. Thank you, guys. Okay. Relationship status, please. I am in a relationship, almost 2 years now. But the longest one I've had was 3

Annieyears. All right. What about you? Um I'm married to Jesus. >> [laughter] >> Okay, so you're going to become a nun? State some of it. >> just I'm I'm celibate. I'm, you know,

Brian Atlasfully focused on myself, my son. Okay, so you're single. Yes. Longest relationship? Um I think it was 10 or 11 years, my son's father. Were you married? No.

Brian AtlasEver married? Nope. How long you've been single for? Um a while. Few years. Uh okay. And then also I in your introduction, you uh

Brian Atlasthere was something you wanted to share about you. I did? That you wrote. Why don't you share that? What did I write? That you >> Oh, um on IG?

Brian AtlasIs that what you're talking >> Yes. Oh. You You want me to share that? >> Yes, please share it. Okay, I'm a pardon J6er. >> [laughter] >> Cool.

Brian AtlasSo, you stormed the capital. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. You may or may not Okay, cool. Pardons though. Trump [laughter] Do you have Did Do you have like a pardon from Trump?

Annie>> I do. I do. I have You should Is it like a piece of paper or how did you So, they actually they sent digital because there were so many of us that got a pardon the same day. Okay. They sent digital copies.

Maya>> Nice. Yeah, so an an official US pardon attorney sent me the What compelled you to go riot at the capital? A lot. It was That was not a peaceful protest. You

Mayawill never see I've never in my lifetime I've never seen They were They were They were Did you see the video? You didn't see the video of the cop like getting shoved around and stuff?

MayaThis was a bunch of people meandering through the capital. You know that there was The only person who got killed was one of the protesters. They were chanting What Kill Nancy Pelosi? Is that what

Mayathey were saying? And didn't her husband's house get broke Something like that happened. I remember that happened. You wanted those lights out, Brian. Huh? Yeah. [laughter] You wanted those lights Well, um Do you think You said you've never seen

Mayaanything like that before. Did you participate Have you participated like No Kings or any protests or anything like that? I've never been to any protest ever. >> You You've never been to a protest. >> been to a protest. No offense, you look like I look >> [laughter]

Maya>> Yeah, I I could see that. I could see that. I I mean, I don't I feel like going to a protest like Yes, you can show like this is what I stand for, this is what I support, whatever, but in reality like being there like what What is that going to do? Like that literally

Brian Atlasdoesn't do Yeah, you're just standing You're just standing there in the street with signs. Do Do you So, no BLM protest, no ice stuff. You were shaking your head. What about you? I've been to

Brian Atlasmany protests and led protests as well. You've led How many How many How many Hold on. How many protests [laughter] When's Okay, how recently have you

Ravenparticipated in a protest? When was the Probably the No Kings protest. >> one just this weekend, but >> Okay. Then it was >> Like a month ago. It was like a It was like last year.

Brian AtlasOkay. You said You've said that you participated in You said that you've participated in many protests. Going back to when?

RavenEver since I was a kid. Like Like your parents took you Did they force you into that? No. No, I was I've always been more active. Like I've always been more of an activist than

Mayapretty much anyone in my family. >> a what? For what cause? I have the same question for the January 6th though. What is the goal? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We're exploring her thing now. So, um

Brian AtlasOkay, you What was the first protest you ever went to? And then how young? The first protest I ever went to, I believe was a women's march. Okay, so that Was this like Donald Trump No, it was before

Brian AtlasNo, it was before that. >> Me, too. The women's march? >> I Yeah, me, too. Me, too. Yeah. Me, too. Ruined this country. Hold on. That's secondary. So, right back to this. Um

Brian AtlasOkay, but did you participate in BLM protests? >> Yes. ICE protests? >> Yes. Um I'm trying to think. >> Um March for our lives. Okay, so like all the George Floyd

Brian Atlasstuff. Yes. And you said not only did you participate, but you also organized or led? Yeah, through high school. What So, when you say led, what protest were

Ravenyou leading? Um There was a protest after There was a um Am I allowed to say the word um

Ravenafter pew pew shoot Oh, okay, after a shooting. >> No, no. Not after. Not No. Um but there was

Raventhe Parkland Parkland school So, shooting. Yeah, after the shooting. Um I led a protest

Raven>> Against what? Like I led it for gun laws. So, Okay. What Yeah, stricter gun laws. Basically.

Raven>> Such as? Yeah, well, what what What gun laws did you want? >> Yeah, what did you want to Just it it to be a stricter system. I don't

Ravennecessarily believe that that people don't have the right to bear arms. I just Here's a question. Should we um

Brian AtlasShould we ban semi-automatic rifles? Yes. Okay, what is a semi-automatic rifle? Like >> I shouldn't say Should we buy Excuse me,

RavenI misspoke. Should we ban semi-automatic firearms? I think that any

Brian Atlasweapon that can fire like 20 bullets within like But semi I'm asking specifically

Ravensemi-automatic firearms. I'm sorry, what's a semi-automatic firearm? >> You You led a pro Hold on. You led a protest [laughter] Okay, I was First of all, I was a I was a kid during this time. I've been I've done a lot of

Brian Atlasdifferent protests. >> at the time. Were you like a senior or junior? Oh, Brian. >> [laughter] >> So anyways, um But okay, so um

Brian AtlasWould you like to see a ban on semi-automatic firearms? Is that like a AR-15? It can't Yes, it would include AR-15s.

Raven>> Yes. A weapon like that. So, a scary-looking Wait, so just to be clear, a scary-looking weapon. I think I think No, I think that

Brian AtlasI don't know. I don't I don't believe I have family members that do own guns for safety. >> But okay, so you do want to see semi-automatic firearms banned.

RavenI What is a semi-automatic This is She doesn't know, Brian. She's just against the thing. She's just against the current thing. I'm against I'm against what can happen. I'm against what can happen.

Brian AtlasHold on. Wait, wait, hold on. Hey, wait, wait, wait. Stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop. Even people who are pro-Second Amendment who conceivably hey, who probably want looser gun restrictions

Brian Atlasare also against things bad things that can happen. Yeah. But so it seems like you should have a basic understanding of firearms if you're

Ravengoing to do anti-firearm advocacy. Okay, but to be fair, I mean, I haven't done any type of movement against

Ravenfirearms since I was very >> Okay. since I was younger. So, I didn't know I It's true like I didn't know at the time, but I haven't done any research since But at the time you led a protest and you didn't know what a

Ravensemi-automatic firearm is. Yeah, but it was more It was more than just that. It was more It was like There was more of a reason that I was doing that. Okay. So, well, just to be >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, just to be clear, a semi-automatic firearm, so that would include an AR-15. It would also basically cover almost any pistol. Right. >> So, semi-automatic means you pull the

Brian Atlastrigger one bullet comes out. You pull it again, another bullet comes out. >> Okay. So, you can a big long gun like a AR-15 Yes. that is semi-automatic, but also a

Brian Atlaslittle teeny uh concealed carry 9 mm Yeah. >> that is also semi a semi-automatic firearm. Okay. So, you would be wanting to essentially ban

Ravenalmost all firearms. Okay, so I think >> There's already laws against people owning automatic firearms. Okay, so that's probably that's probably more so what I'm talking about. But that's been the case

Raven>> banned. Okay. So, what specific gun restrictions Oh, no. So, my opinion is not really on type of gun

Ravenrestrictions as much, I guess. It's more so on the people that are able to get the guns or just background checks in general. >> Most of these shooters are typically especially like school shooters, they're typically young with no criminal

Marianahistory. >> Yeah, I know. It can A lot of times they don't buy it, they take it from someone else. Stricter gun laws will actually make it easier for criminals to get that. I can

SPEAKER_14see your point I can see your point on that. A lot of people will than safe. Yeah, I can see your point on that. Um I don't know. I just thinks it's like bad when people die and stuff, you know. I think it's

Brian Atlasjust like It's like so sad. I do find it very We should march about it. Yes, [laughter] exactly. Yes, I mean, it it is bad, but um What What are the solutions?

RavenMarching. Just being unemployed. No, I I will say No, I will say that in my opinion I won't I won't say that this is always

Raventhe case, but I do have my own opinions about like just regular peaceful protests about how much they actually do.

Brian AtlasIn terms But But But really quick, final thing on the firearm thing here really quick. So, I think even if you were to outright ban firearm ownership entirely

Brian Atlasand you had police going door-to-door and [ __ ] Gestapo steal taking the guns, even if you did that in an effort to stop school shootings for example, once somebody like for example, you do

Brian Atlasagree that various hardcore drugs are completely criminalized. They're completely illegal. People still manage to get their hands on them. If you've made a determination, you're that mentally ill, you're that dead set

Brian Atlason being a piece of [ __ ] and murdering a bunch of people in the school, you're prepared to you're prepared to to accept the crime of or take on being charged with the crime

Brian Atlasof murder mass murder, then you're prepared to take on the charge of illegally obtaining a firearm. That's like So so they've already made the

Brian Atlasdetermination. It's a lot of times they take themselves out, too. So even if you were to pass a law that says, well, this is you can't own a firearm, they've already committed to doing something illegal. So they will

Brian Atlasillegally come into possession of a firearm. So banning firearms would not prevent these tragedies. I don't think firearms are

Ravennecessarily like the only evil in the situation, though. Like I think that well, like they're not the only like it's not it's not the

Ravenfirearm killing people. Like I'm not people. Yeah, it's people. So I So I do think that I do think it's people. So there's other things.

Maya>> Yeah, you know do you know that group of people who's been doing the most of that lately? There was recently a school shooting where I live at a high school in a kind of a more rural area and one of my

Mayafriend's mom's is the like bus driver and drives all the kids to school. And the kid before it wasn't a school shooting, but he shot someone on school property. Before that happened, she had said there was so many signs that he was going to do something like that and they

Mayatried to report it to Well, she tried to report it to like the staff and administration and nothing was done and that was the outcome. But I don't think that had to do with the gun involved. I think that was poor like people not

Brian Atlashelping in the situation that they could. Um here, before we come back to the the protest stuff, um we were doing I would just want to finish up relationship status really

Oliviaquick. Uh so single I think yeah, I asked you about January 6th, I guess. What about you? Um I am engaged. I am getting married in

Olivia10 days. Congratulations. Um he [clears throat] is a Navy veteran and he owns an art gallery and he is an avid Pokémon collector and seller. All right. How long you've been together? Um

Brian Atlasit's going to be 3 years in June. And longest relationship? Um just under 8 years. Got it. Uh married before? I've never been married.

Lexi (NY)>> Okay. No kids? No. What about you? Um I'm single. I've been single for at least a year. All right. Longest relationship?

Rachel WilsonA little over a year. A little over a year. Was that the one that ended a year ago? No. Okay. All right. Uh and Rachel, what about you? I've been with Andrew for almost two

Brian Atlasdecades now. I've been married a really long time. Okay. >> longest relationship. Are you Andrew's wife? I I just realized that. Okay. >> [laughter] >> Uh yes. That is Rachel Wilson in the

Brian Atlasflesh. Um okay, going back to the protest thing. Uh what were the other ones that you were like the leader or organizer of? Um

RavenI would I more so helped out with some other women's marches. That was like the main ones. >> Okay. And you did like some BLM I did,

Brian Atlasyes. stuff or whatever. Okay. I have a question. Yeah. Pro-life or pro-choice? Pro-choice. Okay. >> So babies don't count as Okay.

MayaThey're not babies, though. They are babies. >> [laughter] >> They are not babies. >> absolutely babies. They are not babies.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Let's let's save the abortion Well, we can do it, though, but I I do want to finish off on some of the protest stuff. So okay, the the BLM stuff. >> I want to know about marching for women's rights. What rights are we

Ravenmarching for that we don't have? >> What rights are we missing exactly in this current day and age? I mean, I the last time I went to a

Rachel Wilsonwomen's march was like a while ago. So So you don't believe in that anymore? >> I do. I do believe in that. >> What rights are we missing that we still need?

MayaIt's more so how we're treated in the society. Okay, tell me about that. >> something to add to that. I remember I think it was 2016 when Trump said like grab her in the [ __ ] or something like that. That led to a women's march because he was going to be our

Brian Atlaspresident. >> Well, really quick on that. So even if you and I think those comments, even as somebody who voted for Trump, I disagree with those comments. I think those comments are in bad taste.

Brian AtlasHowever, how would this actually if somebody saying 20 years ago in private >> offensive comments as offensive as they may be, how would this actually be evidence of some sort of

Brian Atlaswidespread you know discrimination that that women face and warranting mass nationwide protests? Cuz I feel like a lot of people look up to our

Mayapoliticians. Like a lot of people really worship Trump. So when he's saying stuff like that and he's treating women like that, they're going to look at him and say, okay, I can treat women like this. I can talk to women like this. >> Didn't Trump dis like say, hey, you know

Rachel WilsonWasn't Trump in the Epstein files? No. >> that be relevant? He absolutely was not. No, he wasn't. Tell me I don't see how that's relevant. Come on. I mean you got to let me Well, no, I mean like I don't Okay, first let's go back to the

Rachel Wilsongrabbing by the [ __ ] Are you saying that's not simply a fact that there's a ton of women a ton of women out there who will let any rich high status man do whatever they want. I don't think

Rachel Wilsonthey were letting him, though. That's the thing. He said, okay, but it's not about what he did. It's about what he said and what he said is, if you're super rich and famous, women will just let you grab them by the [ __ ] Yeah,

Mayawhy why is that okay to say? >> It's not. Why is it It's the truth. What's wrong about it? [laughter] How Tell me how it's wrong. Because if someone walked up to you walked outside right now and someone walked up to you and said, oh, I'm going to grab you by the [ __ ] or grabbed you by the [ __ ]

Rachel Wilsonand said, okay. >> You are equivocating. That's not what I said. That's not what he said. What he said was, if you are a rich famous high status man a lot of women will just let you grab them right by the [ __ ] How's he wrong?

Maya>> It's that mindset that's wrong. >> But how's he wrong? >> That's what I'm saying. It's the mindset that is wrong that he is thinking >> It's true. Tell me how it's not true. >> where you would take your mindset like >> Tell me how it's not true. It's a fact

Rachel Wilsonof life, okay? >> wait. What's a fact of life? That if you that a lot of women will let any very rich famous high status man grab them by the [ __ ] That's a fact of society. You

Rachel Wilsonever You ever Yes, that's a fact. The fact is that women chase high status very wealthy men and and But that also generalizes all women and that also He didn't say

Rachel Wilsonall women. Exactly my point. Exactly my point. >> A lot of women. How's he wrong? You know >> It's a completely accurate factual statement. You don't like it. You don't like how it makes you feel. You don't

Rachel Wilsonlike how it sounds. It's icky. Fine, but is it wrong? >> don't understand how you as a woman are okay with hearing our president saying stuff like that about you. I'll tell you how. Because he said it in private. It was

Rachel Wilsonlocker room talk between guys that happened way before he was president and I know for a fact he's correct. There's a reason why groupies exist. There's a reason why you see girls that come on this podcast. There's a girl named Chloe

Rachel Wilsoncomes on all the time throwing herself at SoundCloud rappers trying to get their attention. Women throughout all of human history, tale as old as time, have thrown themselves at rich high status

Rachel Wilsonmen, especially if they're famous. It's a It's just he's correct. So no, it doesn't offend me. It's the truth. And he was pointing out more of this. Hold on. We have a TTS We have a TTS coming through, but we have something

SPEAKER_00interesting that I want to bring up related to this. >> donated $200. >> Thank you for the TTS. >> It makes complete sense that chat three is a findom. Oh. >> She's clinically ass and couldn't do an actual job. >> Speaking of

Brian Atlas>> with her brain would be destitute and homeless. Uh Is this my camel off? Check. Check. Don't do that. But um hey, anonymous soldier, thank you, man. Appreciate it. Well,

Brian Atlasquestion for you. He did address you there. Uh do you do you have an issue cuz you were the one who went to the women's march protest? Do you have an issue with

Brian Atlasthe statements that Donald Trump made? Yes. Okay. And you're you do I don't know if you said this in your intro. You do findom. Yes. >> Did you say that in your intro? >> I do. Yeah. >> You do findom. And this includes you

Brian Atlasmake money bullying men. I do. So I see there's a bit of confusion here. Perhaps it's a bit contradictory. On one hand, you have a criticism of Donald Trump

Brian Atlassaying something in private, but you publicly have some perhaps objectionable things that you say about men. Yes. And I have some tweets I'd like to pull up right now.

Rachel WilsonSo if you don't mind, I'll pull them up. Nathan Schwandt, findom is financial domination. So if you guys don't know what findom is it's men who have weird fetishes where they want to be like dominated. They

Ravenwant to give chicks money. It's a men They're definitely mentally ill. There's something wrong with them. And it's men who give girls money and expect nothing in return. It's to get humiliated.

Brian Atlas>> But you you also engage in Actually, well, I have them in the notes, but first I want to show the tweets. And so I want to hear, I guess, from both of you. I just want to make

Brian Atlassure that we're consistent in our application of principles. If it's wrong to have these, you know, certain views, then I want you both, I guess you have

Brian Atlasto admonish yourself, and you're going to have to make a criticism of her. Go ahead, pull the first one up. This one's not really that bad, but oh my god, hello, scuffed already. You scuffed it

Brian Atlasalready. Where is it scuffed? >> The You gone F11 in OBS. Please fix. Okay, um So, okay, this is This is just building a picture here. This one's not that bad, but you claim a simp bought

Brian Atlasyou a car. Yes. >> Okay, so just to be clear, that's just establishing something. Uh tab over to the next one. Uh you said men don't deserve women. Okay, so I guess that's

Brian Atlasyou cuz you date women, I guess. Yes. Okay, well, that's uh if men don't deserve women, I assume that means you think that the species should end. No, so >> [laughter]

Raven>> I actually made that post because I was just like thinking about like how pretty girls are. So, I was just Uh okay. Yeah. Next, please. >> Yeah, I was just I just I just like shitpost on Twitter or something.

Raven>> read these for us? Just read them out. >> Sure. Not in your brain, in >> [laughter] >> I didn't I didn't I was trying to make sure that was me cuz I have accounts that like pretend to

Raven>> need the explanation. Okay. Girls talk because it's so true women will take your heart out, crush it in front of you while smiling. I can't resist them, however. And I do not like men. Yay for me.

Brian Atlas>> like men. No. And you you mean in the general sense. Like you don't like men, not just for from a romantic perspective.

Raven>> I don't like most men. Most men. Most men that I have personally met I do not like. Okay, let me ask you some

Brian Atlasquestions here. Do you think men suck? Yes. Do you think men are trash? Sometimes. >> hate men? Sometimes. Do uh sometimes. How How often is

Brian Atlassometimes? Most of the time. Most of the time. 99% [clears throat] of the time. Yes. Okay, um and you're not exaggerating. Like that's genuine. Yes. >> Okay, you genuinely hate men. Okay, um and then

Brian Atlasdo you Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Few more questions. Uh If you could snap your fingers and all men disappeared, and let's say women, this wouldn't be the end of the human

Rinaspecies, let's say women could reproduce absent men, do you take the trade? Yes. Oh, so you want to work on an oil rig? >> Hold on. You want to go weld underwater and stuff? No, I didn't say that I personally

Rina>> I'll I'll do that. Dude, I'll do it with you, but like Let's not get distracted. Let's not get distracted here. So, uh what else? Uh Uh so, okay, you snap your fingers, all

Brian Atlasmen disappeared. You you take that trade. Yes. No, no, no, no, no. >> No, no, no, no, don't walk it back. Okay, but but >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. Uh do you

Brian Atlasthink um Hmm. What else would be in culpatory here? Okay, so you think men are trash, you think men suck, you hate men. Hmm, that's probably good enough. >> [laughter] >> Uh

Ravenand then there's one more tweet, please. Pull it up. Uh and then read this. Is that four? Yeah. Okay, read it. I love lying to men about what I'm spending the money on

Mayathat they're sending me. Just another way to mess with their brains. Okay, now look really quick, you're smiling because >> [laughter] >> there's a certain There's a certain I didn't even realize I was smiling. That was so not intentional. But but there's a certain

Brian Atlasuh What What there's a term for this that is evading me right now. There's a certain joy or uh what's the term? What? Like when when somebody is like

Brian Atlasfeeling a degree of sadism, maybe? Satisfaction in somebody else's suffering. Uh there is a certain reveling that uh some women do when the

Mayauh when men are painted in a bad way or men are aggressed upon by women. >> I just think it's funny when people post like that on social media cuz I like I it's just like So, I I wasn't even They

Brian Atlaswasn't even the concept >> Hold on. But but stick with that. So, it's funny when women say misandrist things about men publicly, which has

Brian Atlaswhich will have a tendency to influence other women, influence society, but uh a uh surreptitiously record I guess it wasn't surreptitious because he was

Brian Atlasprobably hot mic or whatever. Uh 20-year-old uh private audio recording between Donald Trump and this guy where it he was just bantering with him and it was locker room talk. As objectionable

Brian Atlasas you might find it, I'm sure your jaw was agape in disgust when you heard that, but you hear here her as I was looking at you as she was saying that she thinks men are trash Your You're

Brian Atlaslaughing now. I have something to say. I have something to say about So, so hold on. As she was saying men are trash, men suck, uh she hoped she hates all men, and that she'd be fine with all men disappearing, which is

Brian Atlasgenocide, I guess. >> [laughter] >> bonkers You find this amusing. So, how could you possibly tell me that you have any principles as it relates to Donald Trump's statements,

Mayaand here you have a full-blown admitted misandrist uh genocidal maniac, essentially. Correct Okay, I want her to correct me if I'm wrong, but she for her job, this is all consent but these men are

Mayaconsenting to be treated like this, and it's part of her persona online to be aggressive towards men. So, it's the difference is consent in these situations, apparently.

Rachel Wilson>> Wait a minute, because Donald Trump was saying they let you grab them by the [ __ ] They let you. He wasn't saying you could you do it against their will and you grape them. He said, "Hey, look,

Mayawhen you're rich and famous, these women will just let you do it. They consent." How How do you know the women aren't scared or giving consent? >> know the men she's talking to are mentally ill? How do you know they're not mentally ill? >> That's a completely different argument. >> Wait, Rachel, that's a fantastic point,

Rachel Wilsonby the way. That's the consent argument, fantastic. I'm sensing something here, and I don't know if I want to say it yet or if I want to wait. Say it. I say [laughter] say it. You should say it. >> I think that the reason you're so

Mayagleeful about her hatred of men is that you're not very successful with men. No, I Or at least not the men you want. >> I have never had a problem getting with

Mayamen. I have had a problem with men wanting to be with me in a relationship long term. >> Exactly. Okay, my No, they want to be in a relationship, I don't want to be in a relationship. >> they Are you one of the girls who's aiming at the guys who are like a eight,

Rachel Wilsonnine, 10, and then they sleep with you, but they don't want a commitment, but then the guys who are more on your level do want a commitment, and you think they're icky? And they're not I also don't just sleep around. I don't just go out and just take someone new home every single night. Like if I like someone,

Rachel WilsonI'll sleep with them, maybe. >> does your hatred of men come from? Cuz I Sure, her name is Goddess Raven, so I already kind of know where that comes from, but >> zero hatred towards men. I don't think as like I don't think men are bad people at all. I don't think you can generalize

Rachel Wilsonone whole >> do you think it's so funny to humiliate men, but when Trump says, "Hey, a lot of chicks like, you know, rich, famous dudes, they'll just let you grab them by the pussy." Why is that so offensive? You realize that's cognitive dissonance.

MayaIt makes no sense. >> Like I said, consent. This is her persona. This is how she makes money. She's making money by these men consenting. >> consent? Can a mentally ill woman consent to being grabbed by the [ __ ] >> What do you think?

Rachel Wilson>> No, but how do you Why would one be mentally ill? Not all of the Not all of these men are mentally ill. If I could play devil's advocate, you know, she And definitely not all the women who are

Rachel Wilsongroupies chasing after rock stars are mentally ill. They're just They're just hot girls who want a rich, famous dude. Also, really quick, I think it's worth pointing out uh

Brian Atlasshe's on the podcast right now, and so you might be able to raise this defense as it relates to her findom, but this she's not in findom mode. She made a

Brian Atlasgenuine admission of thinking men are trash, men suck, she hates men, and she nuke them What if they don't nuke them? >> What if they're watching the podcast? Like that's my argument. Either way,

Mayalike if the men that are paying her know that that is her mind Even if that is truly her mindset, I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Like why Wait, wait, wait, so are men entitled to misogynistic opinions? >> If they want As long as they don't act on their opinions, they can think whatever they want. But if they're going

Rachel Wilsonif >> just was talking. No, but he There's I've seen files. Are you guys say he's not in there either? >> You tell me. Tell me this, cuz I've asked this question and Andrew's asked this question. Not one of you TikTok brain liberals ever has an answer for

Rachel Wilsonit. Where in the Epstein files does it say that Donald Trump did anything to anyone? The fact that No one was on Epstein's island just to hang out. Like they weren't >> He wasn't even on the island. You don't know that. You heard [laughter]

Rachel WilsonHere's what happened. Here's what happened, TikTok brain girl who needs to really like get her [ __ ] together. You heard some people say that. You said, "I don't like him, so that must be true, and I'm going to repeat it as if it's a

Rachel Wilsonfact." And you shouldn't do that. That's [ __ ] You don't have any evidence. Okay, give me some evidence that Donald Trump did anything to any underage people. Go ahead. I don't have any evidence of

Rachel Wilsonthat, but I also >> Exactly, so shut up. Shut up. Just stop. Just stop. We don't care about your faux outrage at this point, anyway, because you get all upset about Donald Trump making a locker room joke, but when she's sitting here saying this stuff

Rachel Wilsonabout men, you're giggling, you think it's so funny. Was she on an island with underage kids? >> Trump was never on the island. You don't know that he was there, and you don't know there were underage kids. There are

Rachel Wilsonpeople in the files because they were just named in a email of something that had nothing to do with anything. You don't even know what you're talking about. >> I saw something something like >> like I saw something. I feel like I

Rachel Wilsonheard someone say you don't know what you're talking about. Shut up. Shut up. Stop talking if you don't Because you don't know what you're talking about. You're ignorant. Have you >> You're just talking out of your ass. I am talking out of my ass. >> Yeah, so shut up. Just shut up.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Shut up. You don't know anything. Shut up. >> I I don't understand this accusation that if somebody so that scene files encompass like for example, he he

Brian AtlasI I believe received an email from Blizzard customer service because he was enrolled to play World of Warcraft. So does everyone who ever played World of

Brian AtlasWarcraft, do they have some sort of uh connection to Jeffrey Epstein because Blizzard technical support >> Exactly. No, I There are

Rachel Wilsonthousands of people in the files who were completely unrelated to Epstein. This is what you stupid liberals need to shut your mouths about because you're talking about stuff and damaging people's reputations. This is why they

Rachel Wilsonhad to redact so much information because dummies like you are going to go "Ooh, their name's in the files. Oh my gosh, that means they're a PDF." >> If No. That is not how that works. It's It's thousands upon thousands of emails

Oliviawith thousands upon thousands of people's names in there. That does not mean that they were all PDFs on an island doing God knows what. 100% because Michael Jackson was there rescuing kids. Justin Bieber was there against his will as a kid. The writer of

OliviaThe Simpsons was there for Intel. So like I think your intention for protect the kids, I'm with you on that 100%. [sighs] Now when people were making these accusations about Trump even though I am a supporter, if there's an accusation,

OliviaI'm like okay, where are the facts? I found pictures of a little girl with a blacked out square and then I was like "Ooh, metadata removed that. Oh, it's his daughter, you weirdos. Okay, next." And then I'd keep looking and then I was like "Oh, you I'm not really interested in diving

Brian AtlasHold on. Hold on. I'm not really interested in like diving deep into the files. Sorry. >> That's not material to the conversation really. Um in any case though >> anything about it yet anyway. Everybody's just jump playing jump to

Brian Atlasconclusions. really quickly. Uh we have Alucard. He says Lexi swag. Uh okay. Thank you for the uh for that. >> Lexi? And that's me. Hi. Oh, hi. Uh we have Harvey Danger. My wife is the

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Brian Atlasprotest riots. I also ride in the streets for this exact cause. Uh And uh I also ratioed Kanye West on that if you can show that too. And then uh I think the final [laughter] thing is we have a Discord. If you guys can pull uh

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Brian AtlasI thought you were just misinformed. Now it's clear you're following the same brain dead leftist script. No independent thinking, no real research, just repeating whatever narrative is handed to you. Anti-gun, no kings, BLM talking points. Do you want to respond

Brian Atlasto that? Thank you, Rob. Okay. for the super chat. That's it? Just okay? You're entitled to your opinion. Okay then. All right, there it is. And

Brian Atlasthen reminder, $10 display, 100 read, $200 TTS. Thank you, guys. Okay. Uh right back into this. So I I guess I want to finish off a bit on the protest stuff. Um

MayaYeah. Still want to hear what women's rights were lacking. Yeah, that's a good one. Thank you to whoever bought. Looks like somebody just bought a hoodie. Thank you. What What did What was it? How we were saying that it's just the way that women

Mayaare like it's accepted for them to be talked about and treated in society is not fair. I don't think it was about like rights as much as it was the conversation and the verbiage and stuff that's being used by these politicians people talk around women. But a lot of

Rachel Wilsonpeople use that same verbiage about men. So Sabrina Carpenter at her concert with thousands and thousands of people telling the the crowd to cheer along with her and call

Mayamen useless, stupid. You know, that whole thing? That's okay. I think that is so different than like being okay with like I feel like women are Let me think of my words.

MayaLike when men are talking about like sexually assaulting women or like objectifying their bodies and stuff like that, I don't think that's a fair way to talk. But if they wanted to go and say men like women suck, I hate women, that's one thing. But when it becomes something that could turn into a

Mayaphysical component, I think that's where like the line is drawn. Why Why is the premise though that this is within the context of non-consent? Cuz that's what I thought that at least I don't know much about any of the protests, but at least back in 2016 when there was that

Brian Atlasum women's march, I thought that was because of Trump saying Really quick, I have something on on this. Um Nathan, can you pull up my my personal Instagram Brian Atlas? And then there's a post

Brian Atlasthat I did. I think it's like either the most recent or the one below it. It's a woman wearing a t-shirt, Lili Reinhart. She has 24 million followers on Instagram. She's like a B-tier, C-tier

Brian Atlasactress. Do you have it, Nathan? On what? My ex, my personal ex. It should be if you just scroll down, it should be like the most recent or second most recent post.

Brian AtlasI just want to get your guys' perspective on that. So, click click on the photo, actually. So, she has a shirt that says, "I support a man's right to shut the [ __ ] up." And then I wrote, "If a male actor

Brian Atlaswore a shirt like this about women, he'd be dropped by his agency talent agency and banished from Hollywood, not to mention backlash from the public, journalists, media, etc."

MayaShe's got 24 million followers on Instagram. She's not a nobody. Yeah. So, what do you think of her t-shirt, first of all? Is that wrong? I I don't think it's right. I do agree that's like if a man wore that >> Sorry, you don't >> I think she everyone is entitled to

Mayatheir own opinion. She can think whatever she wants. >> do it, it's cute, but when boys do it, it's greasy. >> is what other people If a man wore that shirt, I'd be like, "Damn, that's kind of crazy." But I like society would probably be a lot more upset about that.

Rachel WilsonBut me personally, I'm not going to see a man wearing that shirt and throw an outrage about it. >> is it that men are doing to women that you think requires marching? I've never I've never marched, but >> Okay, what are you What do you think men

Ravenare doing to us that requires us marching in the streets? I feel like there's too many things to even Okay, name one. Okay, list. Okay. List.

Raven>> There's Okay, comments about women 24/7. >> women make comments about men 24/7. >> Okay, I would say then Here. SA. Well,

Brian Atlaslet's list it. So, okay, mean So, like misogynistic comments. Yes. Okay, so there SA. Yes. Okay. What else? Mm.

RavenJust feel like not just sexist comments, but sexual comments, like very derogatory.

Lexi (NY)>> Okay. Just like overly derogatory. >> do that, too. Like a woman's very capable of SAing a man the same way a man can do that to a woman. But also, best believe I've seen that Wait, wait,

Lexi (NY)wait, wait, wait. Let her finish. Let her finish. Go ahead. But you think women don't catcall, either? I hang out with my girlfriends and I see a good-looking guy, I'm like Look at No, you know what I mean?

Lexi (NY)>> Yeah. So, girls do it, too. Maybe men are more open and more doggish, if if you want to say that, and I can't agree to that, but everything you're stating

Ravengoes both ways. Sounds like policing speech is what I hear. I do agree that it goes both ways. I think there's just major differences. I think that men do

Rachel Wilsonit a lot more, and I >> it just not as reported? No, men I But even in experiences of >> Because men don't speak up often. Men are not going to go and report it if

Rachel Wilsona woman If a woman gives a man like a shoulder rub he didn't ask for, he's not going to go to HR and report it. I don't I don't believe in that, either. I do not think that I do not think that a man

Ravenshould be touched in a way that he does not want to be touched. I do I do not think that Consent goes both ways. I completely agree with that.

Rachel WilsonHave you guys ever seen the There's like a video compilation that's always online of Justin Bieber when he was young, like before he turned 18, all the different actresses and people touching him,

Rachel Wilsonmaking sexual comments about him. Yeah, like It happens quite a bit to men, too, and we just give women a pass on it. >> like you're actually really interesting about that, Rachel, is that while there

Brian Atlasyou know, and many of these clips have kind of resurfaced more recently, in the moment there's absolute pretty much no backlash. But if you reverse the genders, if you do a

Brian Atlasgender swap, I mean, these people if it was a man doing that to a a young a girl >> Oh my gosh. the career over, but there's really not When you gender swap these

Brian Atlassituations, there's not the outrage, there's not the losing the job, there's not the getting dropped dropped from talent agency thing. It's like

Brian Atlasacceptable to be anti-male or say negative things about men, etc., etc. So. Well, and you were saying No, you can talk. So, in your HR example with somebody in the shoulder rub

Gracedepends on if she thinks he's attractive or not. If If If a woman If a woman that is creeped out by a guy cuz he's gross or a loser or unattractive to her, she's going to be like, "Oh, sexual harassment." But if if

Brian Atlasit's somebody that she's like, "Ooh, let's go on a date, you know, >> Yeah, if it's the boss and he's rich and hot, she might let him grab her by the [ __ ] even. Oh, we really quick, we do have the TTS coming in here. Let me just let this through from Chaw. One moment here, it's

SPEAKER_00coming in right now. Uh thank you, Chaw. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys, who bought the merch. Thank you, Chaw. >> Chaw XD donated $200. The fact that a girl who does findom as a job while talking about how she

SPEAKER_00participates in protests is a vile irony. You're a monster and you're preying on vulnerable men who desperately need help. Quick You have a response to that? And then we have one more chat coming

Marianain. How do How do they know he needs help? Like why are they just assuming all that's not normal? But it is very For some people some people are It's disfunctional. It is like gambling or it's like addictive drinking. >> her problem?

Rachel Wilson>> That is true. She's enabling it. If a man was enabling that kind of So, if a man had a girlfriend who was a little not all there upstairs, right? She has some

Rachel Wilsonmental problems. And he's, you know, telling her to pretend to be a dog and sleep in a dog bed at the end of the bed and telling her she's a coat rack and hanging her coats on him and his coats

Mayaon her and things like that. You'd be outraged. You'd say he's abusing her. That's That's awful. >> say that. I would I think as long as it's two consenting adults, I don't think it's I don't think it's any different. I think someone's mental

Mayahealth if they like obviously if they have a mental health issue, family around them's going to know. They're going to try and get them help. That's not a person. No, no, no. So, if women if women consent to being treated badly by a man, you're cool with it. Yeah, if they if they're say if they're sitting

Mayalike BDSM, if a woman's sitting there saying, "I want you to like smack sh out of me while we're having sex." That is consenting. That's fine. I I don't have I don't think there's any issue with that. As long as it's two consenting adults. People have kinks. People have kinks. Yeah.

Brian AtlasBut are there ever instances where even if consent exists, does it go beyond consent? These people that are in these relationships like that that have like findom relationships or anything like

Mayathat, they're they have safe words. Like they are There's a lot of communication. I I've never been in one. Don't never known anyone in one. But from my understanding is there is consent and many conversations and safe words and

Marianait's just like I'd like to speak on that cuz I actually did findom for like 3 months. And I don't know your experience, but in my experience, it felt that I had to really discern things and

MarianaI ended up leaving because in every experience, it became unethical. And there were like men who would "Hey, I'm going to give you my kids' graduation money." And other women

Marianaonline would accept that and think, "Well, that's my job and that's okay." But that's the responsibility of you as the business owner. Like if if you go like a lot of people don't like McDonald's because of how McDonald's

Marianawhat they put in their food and all that. So, in that same way, right? It is up to that business owner like you wouldn't go to McDonald's if you didn't think that their policies are great, you wouldn't go there, right? And

Brian Atlasthey are feeding off sick people. >> Might I ask that you you raise a good point. Might I ask the I guess the question was does anything go beyond consent? So, for example, even within the purview of

Brian AtlasBDSM, are there some acts that you feel like even if you give consent and even if you are of sound mind that that's too far? Like for example, sometimes there's

Brian Atlasuh uh instances where you know, you you'd agree that BDSM typically will involve can involve physical pain. Yes. Now, what about

Brian AtlasWhat about this? Uh scar scars, something that will leave a scar. Can you consent to that? I think if you're a If you're a child, no. But if you're an adult and >> hold on. >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> That's what we're talking about. Yes, we're talking about adults. But so, how far does that go, though? So, what if Okay, a scar, maybe not so bad. Um what about um

Brian Atlasbreaking a pinky bone? Can you consent to that? That that wouldn't It would heal, I guess. >> I've never thought of it that, really, but But let's say a woman did have a kink where she wants just her pinky bone

Brian Atlasto be broken. Can she consent to that? I mean I don't I guess. I don't really know, but I think so. But let's How How How far can we go? The whole hand smashed

Brian Atlaswith a hammer. Now, she would No, but she Maybe she has it It's a could cause permanent damage, maybe not, but can she consent to it? >> I mean, I'm Like I said, never been in a

Mayarelationship like that. Never really put much mind to BDSM relationship. But I think if it's something is being done that could possibly cause irreparable damage, then it that's where the line should be drawn. >> a scar, though? I mean But some people have want to be cut for

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