Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30
Duration: 9h 15m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)
SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)
SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)
SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)
SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)
SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)
SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

00:00:25
IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves
01:13:15
Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm
01:31:00
ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear
02:07:06
Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases
03:15:00
Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions
04:34:06
ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.
06:32:00
Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer
06:52:00
QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

00:00:25
Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

01:27:32
Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

02:07:06
Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

02:28:36
Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

02:44:30
Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

04:34:06
Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

06:37:00
Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

09:10:00
Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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05:56:17
Rachel Wilsonpattern of, this is what the Whatever podcast is really good at doing and why I defend it so much, it's really good at establishing patterns of behavior that we see in young women and where they come from. So if we see show after show
05:56:29
Rachel Wilsonafter show, girls who are clearly average saying they're 10s. And when we ask them why, they're like I just feel like I'm a you know, and they they go into all these things that have nothing to do with their looks. It kind of it
05:56:42
Rachel Wilsonlets us understand like what's going on in the psychology of young women that affects dating, that affects mate choice, that affects society at large. If all the women are running around going you're a 10, girl. You're a 10.
05:56:54
Rachel WilsonAnd Home app, my friend Home app, does a really great job of explaining this. Women will say we're all 10s because the the actually hot chicks know that if they don't call the other girls a 10,
05:57:07
Rachel Wilsonthey'll all gang up on them and hate them. And the girls who are not 10s all kind of instinctually know we all have to all say that we're 10s as well so that, you know, we can compete in the hierarchy in the sexual marketplace or
05:57:18
Rachel Wilsonwhatever. So like women intersexual competition among women makes us do some weird things. And I'm not even saying it's wrong, but it it kind of helps illustrate what's going on with them. >> We I mean I can answer that. >> disagree. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, really
05:57:30
Brian Atlas[laughter] quick just pull up the the thing.
05:57:36
Brian AtlasOh, uh could you right-click on the image and do uh image open image in new tab? First one. Tab over to it.
05:57:48
Brian AtlasOkay, click on it. All right, scroll to the top. So I mean when when I'm doing a rating it is based off of objectively objective measurable traits. You have the facial harmony.
05:58:00
Brian AtlasScroll down, there's the mid-face ratio, there's there's assessments of the eyes that would have to do with canthal tilt. Um your there's skin. Uh if you're scrolling down, there's certain face shapes. Uh
05:58:14
Brian Atlasyou can look at the person's nose, you can look at their lips. Um there there's certain ratios to the lips that are more desirable. There's the maxilla, the mandible, the zygomatic bones, the cheekbones, the chin.
05:58:25
Brian AtlasUm so so there's all kinds of various features that can be objectively measured when it comes to uh ratings. So yeah. I don't think I disagreed then. I think I just lacked understanding. So
05:58:38
Brian Atlasthank you. Uh here, let's do this. Uh couple things from the questionnaire. We have uh let's see. I guess going to Raven. Uh this sort of ties back to something we were talking about before. Women can't
05:58:50
Brian Atlasbe sexist towards men. Uh I think you're the only one who bid on that, but you also think that uh white people can't or sorry, black people can't be racist towards white people. Why is that?
05:59:06
RavenI feel like it's because feel Oh, yeah, I I forgot. I can't have feelings. >> hold on. Timmy >> have feelings, but Timmy_Indy donated
05:59:17
SPEAKER_00$200. I have no social media. It's poison. Wait, dude. >> you will with your show. I am just a fan. [clears throat] So are you saying that whoever sent me that DM with your
05:59:28
Brian Atlasusername that was like an impostor? It was a fraud? I don't know. Somebody messaged me and said it was you and it had like the same username on Instagram on the whatever Instagram, so I don't know if somebody
05:59:41
Brian Atlaswas being an impostor, but then they stopped responding. Um but thank you for your TTS, man. Appreciate it. You're a legend. Uh okay, so
05:59:53
Ravenpeople of color can't be racist towards white people. Why is that? I believe that people of color can technically say racist things or do racist things
06:00:04
Brian Atlasagainst white people. I just don't think it's to the same degree. It's not as bad when they do it? Yeah. Well, it's Isn't that kind of racist in and of itself to say when a black
06:00:14
Ravenperson does something to a white person, it's not as bad? No, I don't I don't think Or sorry, racist I mean. I I don't think for that reason. It
06:00:26
Brian Atlasdepends on what they do, too. But I don't think it's for the specific the specificity of just racism. >> what about this? So a white person kills
06:00:37
Brian Atlasa black person because they're black. A black person kills a white person because they're white. Is that uh equal in uh terms of what would be the right
06:00:49
Ravenword? Equal in terms of >> Just as a hate crime? Like there's no >> an equal wrong? Like as a hate crime? Just they don't like that person cuz they're black, they don't like that person cuz they're white, so they just
06:01:02
Brian Atlas>> and they kill them for that reason? I think that's the same that's the same crime. Same Well, it's the same crime. Is it the same wrong? >> Yes. Are they morally equivalent in their wrongness?
06:01:13
Brian Atlas>> Yes. Oh okay. Um can can black people be racist in Africa? Towards white people? Where in Africa? Uh Nigeria. >> places. >> Nigeria.
06:01:27
Brian AtlasNo. I mean >> Wait. Black people >> Wait, you did say that even in the United States black people can't be racist towards white people, but the severity is not Wait, but you said can
06:01:38
Ravenblack people in Africa be racist against other black people? Did I say that? No. Wait. I I thought I said >> that's what I that's what I heard. Okay, well can black people in Africa be racist towards white people?
06:01:53
Brian AtlasI guess that Yes, probably because white people would probably be the minority They would be the minority and they wouldn't have like systemic uh power in the country. Like probably all the
06:02:03
Brian Atlaspeople in the government in Nigeria are black and they have uh they have the systemic power in Nigeria. Yes. Okay. Uh using your own metric though, would
06:02:15
Brian Atlasblack on white racism be worse in Nigeria than white on black racism in Nigeria? Because they hold the systemic power in Nigeria.
06:02:27
RavenAre we going back to Back to what? >> the unaliving of like a person? Like a black person killing a white person, white person >> going back to you.
06:02:39
Brian Atlas>> Racism in general? Yeah, so you your position is that people of color Well, you you said that it's not as bad when people of color are racist towards white people. And I'm assuming you're talking about in like a western white country.
06:02:51
Brian Atlas>> Yes. Right? So then wouldn't it be the case then in a uh a black uh well, an African country I guess that is the same. Uh uh African country where they're black
06:03:05
Brian Atlas>> [snorts] >> the if black Hold on, I was just getting confused. The the black people, it would be worse for them to be racist towards white people than white people to be racist towards black people in the uh
06:03:16
Brian Atlaspredominantly black country. I guess so. That that's kind of interesting, I guess. I mean I don't know. I I'm I mean I've never personally been that way. >> black people in the United States can be
06:03:29
Brian Atlasracist towards white people. It's just not as bad. Is that correct? Essentially. Okay. Um and then the same with women. Uh women can be sexist towards men, but
06:03:40
Brian Atlasit's not as bad when they do it. Yes. Okay. I assume that applies to all countries then. Yes. Okay. Does it apply to all intersections? Like intersectionality? Like as far as racism goes
06:03:54
Brian Atlas>> there are some women who are like more powerful than some men. Mm. Um Or women who have more privilege [laughter] than some men. Or women who have more money than some men. Or there's a power imbalance like employer-employee.
06:04:08
RavenLike for example, let's say there's a >> Like a poor black homeless man versus a rich white lady. So basically can a rich white lady would it be worse for a rich white lady
06:04:20
Ravento be sexist towards a homeless man than a homeless man to be to be sexist against a rich white lady? Is that the question? Okay, let's let's think of an easier one.
06:04:33
Rachel Wilson>> Wait. I I've got it. >> Homeless white guy is racist towards Oprah Winfrey. Wait, racist or sexist? Racist. >> Racist, okay. If both.
06:04:45
Rachel Wilson>> [laughter] >> Cuz she's definitely a very extremely powerful and influential woman, but she is a woman and she's black. And he is obviously not very powerful cuz he's poor and he's homeless, but he's white
06:04:57
Brian Atlasand he's a man, so Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that's wrong. Oh my god. What the [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> Uh okay, you did circle here women do
06:05:07
Brian Atlasnot have equal rights to men in the USA. Yes, I agree. So Where? >> So what are the what are the rights? Um I guess why do you agree? It's it's
06:05:20
Ravengoing to go into the same thing that I was talking about earlier, but >> Which was what? Which was what? Yes, the vibes. >> No, it's the fact that I know I personally know men that they feel
06:05:32
Ravencompletely comfortable walking down the street at night. They don't think any they feel like they could take on a potential predator or that they really wouldn't be exposed to a potential
06:05:44
Ravenpredator, but pretty much all of the women that I am friends with are scared to walk straight at night. >> do you want us to do about the fact that men are just bigger and stronger? What
06:05:56
Rachel Wilsondo you want us to do about it? I didn't say I wanted to do anything. >> hormones? Should we get to the gym? >> [laughter] >> But no, no. >> to protest You're going to protest You're going to protest about it. You know, you think it's wrong, right? You
06:06:08
Rachel Wilsonthink that that shouldn't be the case. How do If that's a problem we need to fix, how do we fix that? I believe it starts at home. I believe
06:06:18
Ravenit starts when kids are kids. Like I believe it starts at home. >> men not to rape school >> never be crime ever. I mean, there shouldn't be crime, but
06:06:30
Rachel Wilsonit's like Never should be hunger. Women are always going to feel like men could be predators against them because men could. They should always feel like men
06:06:41
Rachel Wilsoncould potentially hurt them because men are bigger and stronger. Like children should feel like adults could potentially overpower them because that's just true. It doesn't mean the
06:06:52
Rachel Wilsonadult did anything wrong by being bigger and more powerful than the child. Men aren't doing anything to us by simply being the dominant sex when it comes to force.
06:07:03
Rachel WilsonAnd I as we've gone over the stats, it's like the problem of violence is more of a male-on-male thing overall. Didn't you say earlier that the least amount of domestic violence is between a man like two gay men?
06:07:16
Rachel Wilson>> I don't want to get too sidetracked here. Yeah, that would actually be a point in favor of the men showing that between two men there But you just said violence was most common between men. >> Well, that is true, but not in romantic relationships. They have the lowest domestic violence rates.
06:07:29
Brian Atlas>> But so okay, really quick. You listed one that that women feel This wouldn't really have to do with rise and like women feel even if it's true that women do feel more scared
06:07:40
Brian Atlaswalking down the street, it's not the case that both that that men can they just can skip through the street at night and they'll be safe. Whereas if a woman just skips through the street at
06:07:52
Brian Atlasnight, she's immediately just going to get robbed and beaten and or worse, right? So and in fact, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. Men are more likely to be mugged. Men
06:08:02
Brian Atlasare more likely to be attacked. And I think there's an additional barrier. So in a public setting, like let's say you're in a like kind of a busy busy nightlife area where there are people
06:08:13
Brian Atlasaround and it's night time. Uh I think if you compare the exper the risk between men and women in that scenario, women are actually safer when they're
06:08:25
Brian Atlasif there's people around, there's crowds, women are safer. And I I think it's because of this. So for example, if I'm walking say I'm walking down the street and some drunk guy picks a fight with me. Um
06:08:38
Brian Atlasand like let's say he's like really big and like he's going to whoop my ass. I'm [ __ ] I'm screwed. Nobody's going to jump in and help me. There's not going to be any There's not going to be stranger men or women who are going to
06:08:49
Brian Atlasintervene on my behalf like a superhero like Superman and save me. I'm going to get curb stomped. I'm going to get [ __ ] up. I'm going to get my head kicked. I'm going to get beat up. No guys are going to be like, "Yo, man, what are you doing? You can't don't
06:09:02
Brian Atlaspunch another man." Guys don't do that. However, if you uh little dainty wage and bratty girl or whatever the [ __ ] uh you're at some like kind of nightlife scenario and um there's there's other
06:09:14
Brian Atlasmen around and they see some guy hassling you and he starts shoving you and he starts grabbing your arm or he he like hits you. Not all men will do this, but if other men see that, they're going to white
06:09:27
Brian Atlasknight for you. And I'm I'm not saying that's wrong to like come and protect a woman in that situation, but you as women kind of have bodyguards, like free bodyguards. So if a man sees a woman getting like beat up on,
06:09:40
Brian Atlasthere will be like I think that guy's going to get mobbed and there the guy who's attacking you as a woman, that guy's going to get mobbed and he's going to get up beat by other men who are like, "You don't put your hands on the women." Which by the way
06:09:52
Brian AtlasI don't think women should be being attacked and I think it's fine for men to intervene to protect uh women. However, men are not afforded that same level of protection from totally random
06:10:03
Brian Atlasstranger men. They see They see a man getting beat up, they're just going to let it go. They see a woman getting beat up, they're going to good chance you're going to someone's going to intervene on your behalf and
06:10:15
Brian Atlasprotect you. So I think women in some ways are actually uh safer. And additionally, let's say I start a fight with a guy. I walked up to a guy and call him a [ __ ] I'm like, "You [ __ ]
06:10:25
Brian Atlas[ __ ] bitch." And I [ __ ] slap him in the face or something. I actually think I don't know what the percentage is because this is just completely conjecture and speculation.
06:10:36
Brian AtlasI think you could walk up to I don't know maybe it's 50%, maybe it's less, maybe it's more. I actually think women could just like walk up to 10 dudes in the night and call them [ __ ] [ __ ] and the guys would never smack
06:10:47
Brian Atlasthem. You would never get hit back. Now if you slapped a guy, there's still some guys that'll give you a pass. Like you walk up to a guy and slap him. Like you you'll get a pass. So like
06:11:00
Brian AtlasMaybe depends on how much they're drinking. I do think that the proportion in any case, like even if a woman is being the assailant, the guy's just going to like try to get
06:11:11
Brian Atlasaway or he's not going to But like if you put a man in that position and the man you're you're a man being aggressive towards another man, you're going to get into a like that man's going to put hands back on you. So women have
06:11:23
Brian Atlascertain like protections I actually think uh in this I mean, do you disagree with anything I just said? You think that that maps on correctly or
06:11:33
RavenI do agree that in that scenario, if a man was being attacked, they are a lot less likely to be helped by other men, for sure. I I
06:11:44
Ravenalso agree that there are some men who would definitely help a woman in that scenario, for [clears throat] sure. So you agree? I agree with that, yes. Well, yes, what I'm saying is that yes, men would step
06:11:57
Brian Atlasin to protect a woman who's getting beat by a man, but many of them would definitely like far fewer perhaps even none would step in to protect another man who's being beat up by another man. They would just see that as like a
06:12:09
Brian Atlasmutual combat situation. Even if the woman was even if the woman was the instigator. Savage Mike Davis wild. Thank you.
06:12:24
Brian AtlasAnd I've seen I actually think though um I actually think in a situation where the woman is the
06:12:34
Brian Atlasaggressor and the and the man uh strikes her back, even if people see what led up to it and see that she was the aggressor first, like let's say the girl like punches him
06:12:46
Brian Atlasin the face and he just [ __ ] clocks her, which you might say, "Hey, that's not fair." But uh I think some men even in that context would be like, "You never put your hands on a woman." Boom and they'd [ __ ]
06:12:59
Brian Atlasthey'd I think they might still attack him even in that circumstance. Now I think it's less likely than just the instance of like the man being the aggressor, but uh so I you know, this
06:13:08
Brian Atlasidea that um women don't have equal rights because women are more scared, I don't know really know about that. And also men are more likely to own
06:13:19
Brian Atlasfirearms. So I think anyways. Um So it occurs to me that men do seem to and men typically own firearms for self-defense.
06:13:30
Brian AtlasLike that's I think the primary reason men own firearms. Well, primary reason anyone owns firearms. For self-defense, but more men own firearms. So it would occur to me then that actually men seem a bit more heavily invested in their self-defense
06:13:43
Brian Atlasthan women are. Men have a greater fear of some scenario that would require a firearm. Yeah. I could frame it like that. Okay. Well, is there anything else besides that when uh you say women do
06:13:56
Ravennot have equal rights to men in the USA. Why is anything else? What vote What has What has there ever been a Okay.
06:14:07
RavenOkay. You got this. When has there ever been a vote about what a man should do with his own body? Because because now we're Cuz now we're going to get dirty here. I love it. No,
06:14:20
Ravenbut here's what I'm saying though is I'm talking I'm going back to abortion. Yeah, we know. >> Yeah. So that's my Yeah. Okay. Well, men
06:14:30
Rachel Wilsonhave to sign up for the draft when they turn 18 and women don't. And if the government calls them and tells them they have to go to war like they did in Vietnam, do you know how many men were drafted into the Vietnam War and died because the government said,
06:14:44
Rachel Wilson"We know you don't want to go to war, but you have to do it anyway." You don't agree with it, but it's the case. Okay, but I don't agree with it. >> doesn't matter if you don't agree with it, it's the case. Okay. You said when has there ever been
06:14:56
Rachel Wilsona law governing a man's body? There is one right now. Men in Ukraine and Russia, I think Russia has lost 140,000 guys since the start of their war. I thought Are they sending any of the
06:15:08
Rachel Wilsonwomen to die? Is the government of Russia sending women to die? I don't think so. I think that's a lot worse. You're entitled to your opinion. >> [laughter] >> I don't know. Like what? than a woman
06:15:20
Brian Atlasnot being able to have an abortion? >> True. Well put. It's definitely worse. Because because the government is forcing the men The government is taking away the woman's
06:15:32
Brian Atlasbodily autonomy, whereas the woman in most cases of abortion, she voluntarily had sex. And so um there's another layer there. I wish we
06:15:43
Rachel Wilsoncould change the conversation from abortions being right or wrong to let's avoid some unwanted pregnancies. Like >> Sure. Everybody knows Everybody knows how to do that now though. There's not a person alive >> there there should be more
06:15:56
Rachel Wilsonaccountability, I just feel like. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, on the note of the whole misogyny charge and women are scared because the men are so violent and and you had said that you think because I'm married to
06:16:07
Rachel WilsonAndrew, that means I must have this misogynist. So therefore you're implying he's very misogynistic. And I thought about this and when I met Andrew, I I had just told you
06:16:18
Rachel Wilsonguys I got out of this very seriously abusive relationship. And he actually took me to a gun range and taught me how to shoot and defend myself so I could protect myself. And that ended up being the only thing that got rid of the bad
06:16:31
Rachel Wilsonguy. So I think that's some good proof that he's not a misogynist. In addition to that, we were at a party one time and a guy just said something rude and off-color to me. He's super drunk and he asked me if I wanted to take a shower with me. I
06:16:44
Rachel Wilsonthought I must have heard him wrong, so I said, "What?" Exactly. I said, "What?" And the guy repeated it and Andrew just calmly open palm [ __ ] slapped the guy, knocked him out cold right on his feet
06:16:56
Rachel Wilsonjust for saying something rude to the lady. So, I think he's actually very chivalrous. He also also defended our whole family in a home invasion. We had a home
06:17:07
Rachel Wilsoninvasion at night in the middle of the night. The dogs outside woke us up. There were people in our basement and Andrew went down with a shotgun and scared them away. Um and they ended up getting arrested, going to prison, all
06:17:19
Rachel Wilsonthat sort of stuff. So, there's at least three times I can think of that he has heroically saved me, a woman. So, I'm wondering like uh he not very
06:17:31
Annienot a very good misogynist. I saw that time with the phone call. That was my first impression of you and I saw that and he really went to bat for you. >> Yeah.
06:17:43
Brian AtlasUm He's pretty awesome. Equal equal rights though, is there anything else equal rights? The Oh, well, you mentioned really quick I just to finish off on the bodily
06:17:54
Brian Atlasautonomy thing. Um so, first off, uh abortion isn't fully outright banned in the United States. There's many states that still allow abortions. So, women still do have
06:18:05
Brian Atlasuh I so I suppose restricted to some degree bodily autonomy. Um but as to the Rachel listed one of the ways in which men don't have bodily autonomy and I think that that particular
06:18:17
Brian Atlasuh way in which men don't have bodily autonomy outweighs the supposed uh restriction on abortion. Uh there's two other things though. Uh one is circumcision. So,
06:18:28
Brian Atlas>> That's another Uh you uh We don't genital mutilate infant girls. Right. So, baby boys, they have their genitals mutilated upon birth. Uh
06:18:38
Brian Atlasthey are obviously are not uh consenting to this. Um and uh Well, although >> [gasps] >> this was a discussion
06:18:49
Brian Atlasuh this was like related to the Dean thing where he like doxxed that family. It's like, well, can kids consent in the in the sense of like for medical procedures? Like obviously
06:19:01
Mayanewborn baby doesn't have the capacity to consent or not consent. Well, I suppose they Why are you laughing? Because >> [laughter] >> I don't know where I'm going with that.
06:19:13
Rachel WilsonCircumcision is the parents decision ultimately and I agree with that. I mean, decision. >> But I think that if girls if we were removing the clitorises or the hoods of infant girls, you guys would have a problem with it.
06:19:25
Maya>> They do that in Africa, don't they? And and it's wrong. Isn't it but isn't when But that's why we bombed Iran. Circum- circum- I can't say the word. I'm so tired. Circum- I don't know I Yes, yeah, there you go. That in men wasn't that
06:19:38
Mayajust like to prevent like infection and cleanliness and stuff? >> No, it was a Jewish religious thing. >> god, have you seen what they do? They literally suck it off. I [laughter] don't want to [ __ ] hear that [ __ ] I don't want to hear that No, there was
06:19:51
Brian AtlasNo, seriously, there were people Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get we know what they do. I don't want to hear it though. Well, I just feel bad for the kids that got diseases from it. >> It It is true they have uh they can get the [ __ ] they have like herpes or something. It's
06:20:03
Brian Atlasdisgusting. Um But yeah, so in that way they don't have uh bodily autonomy and then the third way um the third way would be Hmm, we can even
06:20:15
Brian Atlasmaybe tack on a fourth, but the third way would be uh as it relates to child support. And so, um a man could uh well, we did away with debtors' prisons. So, if you owe a debt to
06:20:27
Brian Atlassomeone or a company, uh in the past you could be sent to prison just for ow- owing a financial debt. Um but we did away with that. We said, well, if you owe money to somebody, uh that would never justify you being
06:20:40
Brian Atlasimprisoned with the exception of one thing, child support. If you fail to pay child support, which while it is technically true women can be uh ordered to pay ordered to pay child support, the
06:20:53
Brian Atlasmajority of child support payments go from men to women. I think it's anywhere from 93 to 97%. That's the uh so, disproportionately impacts men. In addition to that, I do think that if we
06:21:05
Brian Atlaswere to account for the discrepancies, I think judges would be less likely to send women who are defaulting on their child support or who are
06:21:15
Rachel Wilson>> are. I looked that up. So, of women who are ordered to pay child support, a much larger share of them don't pay and a much larger share of them never even get like a driver's license pulled or go to
06:21:28
Anniejail for it. >> I went to jail for child support. >> You did? >> Oh [ __ ] >> You're a tiny minority. >> Let's go W's in the chat. >> be So, because of J6, they sent me to jail [clears throat] for that. So, they caught you on something else.
06:21:41
Annie>> Well, no, no, no. So, they sent me to jail for that. >> Okay. And then And then all this support, you know, my ex filed and Whoa. Um
06:21:51
AnnieYeah, so he went for custody and all sorts of crazy stuff because of I got federally indicted. Are you going to be able to like recoup any of that or sue them back or anything like that?
06:22:04
Brian Atlas>> Uh I have lawsuits right now, yeah. But I did I did 45 days in jail for child support. >> Before the J6 thing though, so you were paying your ex child support or her? I still do. You still do. You still do. Okay,
06:22:16
Brian Atlasinteresting. Um although I'm curious like if you were Hmm, wouldn't your your circumstances have changed? I guess this is a legal question. Like if if you lost your job
06:22:29
Brian Atlasor your circumstance your financial circumstances changed, then there could have been a um an adjustment of the child support. They don't care. They don't care. Uh well, well, so yes, women uh
06:22:42
Brian Atlassometimes do pay child support, sometimes they even go to jail for failing to pay for it. But uh there there are discrepancies there. >> much smaller percentage. >> Yeah, so but so the there way higher
06:22:53
Brian Atlasproportion of men who will get sent to jail for not paying child support. That is taking away men uh men's bodily autonomy. >> There's another big legal right that
06:23:03
Rachel Wilsonwomen have over men. Well, uh a way that that's very unequal is that um and I have the study in my phone if you want If you want the source, I have it bookmarked in my phone. Um
06:23:15
Rachel Wilsonthey did a study of like criminal offentin- offenses and sentencing um with like 20 different states or something and uh all the different crimes, they tried to line it up as much as they could
06:23:28
Rachel Wilsonwhere you're getting convicted for the same thing like, you know, second degree criminal sexual conduct or whatever. They made sure the charges were the same and they found that women had 30% lighter sentences than men did across
06:23:41
Rinathe board. So, there's that. There is Yes, that's Yeah. Women get a lot lighter sentences for the same crimes. Isn't there something to do with I don't quote me on this, but I've heard
06:23:53
Rachel Wilsonsomething like along the lines of when a woman is crying, the something with the man's hormones actually activates and they will Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, people People are so deeply
06:24:05
Rachel Wilsonuncomfortable with women crying that we're willing to literally destroy like all of humanity over it. Like right now the birth rates are so low that we're facing like a catastrophic population collapse and everybody's like, "Shh,
06:24:17
Brian Atlasdon't upset the women." I actually a woman cried last Sunday on the show. Oh, really? [laughter] Oh, that was pretty bad. Yeah, yeah, we the whole panel actually rage quit. What? [laughter] How did I miss that? Well, I'll tell I'll tell you what
06:24:29
Brian Atlashappened. So, I mean, I'll give you a quick uh a quick recap. Uh we were talking about looks and stuff. One of the questions on It was actually one of the questions on the questionnaire, which is number 12. A woman should not
06:24:41
Brian Atlasbe rejected because of her weight. Oh. Um and she seemed really offended by the idea that uh And by the way, I think it's totally fine for a woman even to not want to date a guy because
06:24:53
Brian Atlashe's too chubby or he's too skinny or whatever it is, right? Um But so, she got really upset by it and then I started like engaging with her in the debate and uh
06:25:06
Brian Atlasuh it was kind of funny because she I asked her about her height preference. She was like 5'3" and she was like, uh "Well, I would only date a guy who's 5'7" or something." And she'd only had
06:25:18
Brian Atlasone boyfriend and her boyfriend was 6'4". And it's like, well, you would date a guy who's shorter, but conveniently the only man you've had a relationship with happened to be like 1% uh 1% men in
06:25:30
Brian Atlasterms of height. Um but she got really bent out of shape and then she started crying and left. Because of the weight thing. But speaking of which, back to the questionnaire. Although really quick, any other ways in which women don't have equal rights?
06:25:46
Rachel WilsonNothing. You got nothing. >> started to consider that perhaps your interpretation of the vibes was off? The vibes. The vibes threw me. Okay. So, you're one of those ladies that it
06:25:56
Rachel Wilsondoesn't matter how much evidence I present, what logical arguments I have, you And you told me this, you're not going to change your mind. >> I'm not going to change my mind. Waste of So, you don't care about facts or evidence or logic or anything. It's all
06:26:09
Ravenbased on how you feel. No, I do care about facts, but you're telling me facts that you're getting from conservative media. There's also facts >> wait, wait. It's not from conservative media. So,
06:26:21
Rachel WilsonI'm an Well, that's because of the nature of what we're doing. If I could look it up, I could tell you. But like my book for instance, I don't take anything from conservative media. It's all either the
06:26:31
Rachel Wilsonwritings of feminists themselves or it's the NIH, it's the DHS, it's um some kind of government agency or some kind of FBI crime statistics, something like that. So,
06:26:42
Rachel Wilsonif I came to you with completely non-biased sources and and could show and demonstrate and prove and through logical argumentation show you that my reasoning was sound, would you then change your mind?
06:26:57
RavenIt would depend on each scenario. Like each thing that you're showing me. So and this is why I don't want women to vote. Like I know again, people think I'm mean for this, but I don't want her
06:27:09
Rachel Wilsondeciding who runs the country and what the laws are. I do not. I that I don't want to drive next to her. Good thing it's not your choice. That's female tyranny. That's not your choice. Wait, I got I've got a question on this. You look a bit shocked.
06:27:22
Mariana>> No, I just I think everything you've said had was logical and had substance. Everything that Rachel said has been based on fact, logic, um and had basis. And it feels like
06:27:35
Marianaevery time the questions have been turned to you, it was like a lot of circling and I don't knows. And and I feel like if you were to have this strong of an opinion, there would be
06:27:47
Marianafacts and basis the same way that she pulls them out. Here. And That's just credibility. >> Yeah, so uh two two things here uh for you, I guess.
06:27:56
Brian AtlasIf if we could establish that like through science or something, although it is the case as it is, but if we were to present
06:28:07
Brian Atlasyou with convincing evidence, like actual proof, and it is true, not just conservative facts, conservative news, like actually true that life began at
06:28:17
Brian Atlasconception, would you be against abortion in that circumstance?
06:28:28
Brian AtlasBut I don't believe that. >> No no I understand that. But but so if there was if evidence came out
06:28:36
Brian Atlasthat it that is the case that life begins at conception, under that circumstance, would you be against abortion?
06:28:49
RavenI'm just going to say no, I wouldn't be because and that's not how I believe. That's not what I believe. >> no but if evidence if there was evidence >> not the question, but this is hypothetical. where she makes up her own
06:29:02
Lexi (NY)reality. >> asked a question, just answer it though. Like you've been kind of circling But you're being asked a question, you're on a podcast and all you're doing is kind of circling around and not saying
06:29:12
Lexi (NY)anything. You've been asked 1400 thousand times What is 1400 thousand Go off. Literally Yeah. You have said so many times that like women are oppressed and this and that. What is the
06:29:23
Lexi (NY)difference between Brian and I? What can he legally do that I cannot? You can't answer the question cuz there's not that. That's a great question. What can he legally do THAT I CANNOT? GO OFF, QUEEN. [laughter]
06:29:35
Rachel WilsonGo off, queen. Is there a reason you're so uh >> Is there a reason why you can't answer the question? >> Because you're frustrating everybody. We can see that you have nothing. We can see you're not being logical, you're not
06:29:47
Rachel Wilsoneven reasonable, you're not even open to the fact that you could be wrong and you're just doubling, tripling down and you're just being obstinate and difficult and you're frustrating everybody. That's why. Most of the
06:29:57
Lexi (NY)people in this room right now have a lot of conservative beliefs. >> You just won't answer the question. What can Brian legally do that I cannot?
06:30:11
Brian AtlasJust to move just to move it on, um Lexi asked you a really good question. I'll ask it straight. What rights or right do men have that women don't? I already answered this.
06:30:26
Brian AtlasNo no, what right do men have that women don't?
06:30:33
Lexi (NY)You don't have the answer cuz there's literally no answer. There's none. Do you know what the laws are? Do you know our amendments, anything? When did women get the right to vote? She doesn't know. I feel like I I feel
06:30:46
Ravenlike I feel like the only Yeah, I feel like the questions have been targeted right here this whole podcast. Because you don't answer questions. That's That's irrelevant. That's irrelevant. So, do
06:30:59
Brian Atlasyou want to answer the question though? No. Because she doesn't know the answer. I mean Here. Just just so we just so I can move it on. Quickly restate because you said I already I already explained
06:31:11
Brian Atlasit. Just bullet point. One, two, three things. What are the rights that uh that men have that women don't? Bullet point it. In literally 10 seconds, we can move on.
06:31:21
Brian AtlasJust bullet point it. Or one. Wait wait, just let her talk. Bullet point it.
06:31:33
Rachel WilsonOne eternity later. This is why she doesn't like men and why she dates women because only women will put up with this kind of bratty attitude. No man in his right mind is ever going to put up with
06:31:44
Rachel Wilsonit because >> a misogynist, Rachel. I I find this to be I find this to be a trend that I've seen with women who are lesbians. It tends to be that they have this kind of
06:31:56
Rachel Wilsonpersonality type where they're extremely difficult and they're extremely obstinate and difficult to deal with and they found men won't deal with that, but they can find a dysfunctional woman who will.
06:32:07
SPEAKER_01So, I'm just saying it's an observation. I got to play something.
06:32:16
OliviaYou just got destroyed right there. Like that's crazy. That was That was That was crazy, dog. That's insane. I feel like there's this habit of just picking up trending opinions and deciding that because something is
06:32:29
Oliviacommonly said by other trending liberals that are fed to you because of what you engage with in your feed, then it becomes something that you have to preach and you even said yourself like I don't know why I'm protesting, but it's okay. People just
06:32:42
Oliviawant to do something dif- What do we What? You want to do something different? Isn't the whole point of protesting that you want to get your point across, that you want to make a change? But then it's been over 6 hours and there's no point and there's no key change that wants to
06:32:54
Oliviabe made. There's no nail being hit on the head. There is nothing being said except I don't like the way you're framing the question. I'm not going to change my point. Cool, why? What is your view? You have nothing because you've
06:33:07
Oliviadone no research because you're defending this whole persona of wanting to abuse and take advantage of men who no offense over minding it. You can laugh, but you're still so uneducated. You have all this fake knowledge and no
06:33:20
Oliviawisdom to apply it and that's the problem and it's humiliating. So yes, the fact that there is such a large percentage of women like you on the internet, I don't want you to vote.
06:33:30
AnnieI'm almost done. I'm sorry. Dude. >> [laughter] >> Also, when you guys answer questions, all you do is say I feel I feel I feel I feel.
06:33:42
AnnieNever once have you given us a statistic, a piece of facts of any kind. It's all I feel I feel, not I think, not I know,
06:33:53
Annienot logically, not it's been proven. It's I feel. I should have done more research before coming onto this podcast cuz I didn't know this was what the what the Wait, I have a good conversation with you. One sec, we do have a chat coming through.
06:34:05
SPEAKER_00Justin donated $200. Thank you, Justin. Brian, please refill C3's champagne. I've been watching her commit a felony for the last 69 minutes.
06:34:16
SPEAKER_00#cooked. Pack your bags, cutie, and say goodbye to whoever TFI guess might have tried to raise you.
06:34:27
Brian AtlasThat's crazy. Crazy. Yo, Base Justin, thank you very much. We have a super chat coming in here from Mr. Northumberland. Uh can I have you read this? Can you
06:34:37
Rinaread it for me into the mic if you can? Oh. Most states have laws linking selective service registration to applying for driver's licenses {slash} state IDs.
06:34:49
Rina36 [clears throat] states require an ID to vote at polls. Is there anything that government mandated and exclusively applies to women that could hinder the ability to vote or get an ID?
06:35:05
RavenOh my god, she's rereading it. You're back to me again? It was directed at you. It was? Okay, I've been know you were still talking to me. Uh
06:35:17
Brian AtlasMost states have Oh my god, I'm sorry. You know, thank you for the super chat, Mr. Northumberland. She just She might be illiterate. She doesn't I'm kidding.
06:35:27
Brian AtlasI'm kidding. Um but really quick, guys guys, $10 display, $100 read, $200 TTS, Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod, twitch.tv/whatever. Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub, shop.whatever.com. Just like the video, guys. Also like the video
06:35:41
Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Also debateuniversity.com, debate university. You want to become a master debater like Andrew Wilson, Rachel Wilson. I'm like a I'm like a journeyman. I'm working on it. I'm I'm working on it. Like I owe a lot of
06:35:52
Brian Atlascredit to Andrew, you know, I just being witnessing Andrew and also you debating. I I I learned things through observation, but I'm a I'm a Is journeyman? I'm I'm like working on it, you know, I'm I'm building up. I'm
06:36:05
SPEAKER_14working on it, you know. Sometimes I you know Is senpai the guy who follows the sensei? What's the name of the or is it apprentice or like I'm the apprentice debater. Apprentice debater.
06:36:18
Annie>> Brian, I think if you practice, you could be as good as Charlie. I practiced. He's pretty He gets a lot of practice every week. I think you know what? I think to Like Andrew has natural talent though.
06:36:31
SPEAKER_14>> Yeah. He does. >> he's got He's got some natural talent. Sorry, I know I'm a terrible simp. I can't help it. Simping for her husband. Um Hell yeah. >> But yeah, he's good. >> You I also simp for my boyfriend every
06:36:44
Brian Atlasday of the week. I love him. I simp for him. >> I did want to ask uh I'm trying to remember what where this came from. >> me Rachel Wilson. Wilson, there you go. Uh >> [laughter]
06:36:56
Brian Atlas>> what do you think it is [snorts] dating podcast, right? Is it gay for a man to date a trans woman? [laughter] No. >> [sighs]
06:37:07
Rina>> That's Oh, wait. Wait. Is it gay? >> Yes, so you Yes, is it gay? Oh. Okay. Well, it kind of depends on like the trans man. So, that's a that's a girl.
06:37:18
RinaOh, okay. So, that's a woman. >> Yeah, that was a Biological male became a trans [clears throat] woman. Now, speak. >> Okay. Do they have a dick? >> [laughter]
06:37:30
Rina>> No, real. Like it's a serious man with trans woman. No. No, is it gay? >> gay for a guy to be with a trans woman? >> To date a trans woman. Well, I would say
06:37:41
RinaI mean, just tell me for both. Pre-op and post-op. Touchy, touchy. Um >> [laughter] >> You know, Maybe like 4 years ago. >> Yeah. Dude, I get called trans. You'd be
06:37:53
Rinasurprised. They I saw one on there that was asking. But uh Anyways, I would say if they have a dick, then that would be
06:38:03
Brian Atlasgay. What if they have a whatever the [ __ ] that thing is? Post. If they've like been changed, I mean, like
06:38:16
Brian AtlasI guess technically it's not gay cuz it's not a dick. But at the same time, like it's a mentally confused person and like Okay, before Before we give our response, we'll have everybody answer. Is it gay for a man to
06:38:28
Brian Atlasdate a trans woman? >> No. Period. No. Not gay at all. Okay. No. It's straight So, it's heterosexual.
06:38:39
Brian AtlasStraight. It Straight is slang for heterosexual. Duh. [snorts] Well, I don't know. You You got a questionable You're You're like You're You're [laughter] You're um
06:38:50
Brian AtlasWait. Wait. Wait. No. No. The your your your ping is like 300. Wait, what? What does that mean? >> What? Like your ping. What's a ping? >> Like you know when you're playing a video game and your ping is like 400
06:39:03
Ravenmilliseconds or whatever. She like [ __ ] delayed like There's like a delay. I I mean, I'm I'm tired as [ __ ] right now cuz I didn't sleep the last couple nights. I'm not going to lie.
06:39:14
Ravenenergy Okay, what's the answer? What's the answer? Give us the answer. Okay. No, it is not gay for a straight man to date a trans woman.
06:39:27
OliviaOkay, so it would be straight. It would be heterosexual. Yes. >> Hetero. Okay. Gay. Gay? Gay. Gay? Gay as [ __ ] Yes, it's gay for a man to date a man even if he's cosplaying as a
06:39:38
Brian Atlaswoman with bad surgery. Oh, why? You're bi. I got to disagree with Lexi there. >> Gay. I would vote extra gay. Uh really quick before we get into it, we do have
06:39:51
SPEAKER_00a TTS coming through and then we'll get right into that convo. Stanny Boy TM, thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> Stanny Boyton donated $200. Despite her views and sexual preference,
06:40:03
RavenI will still do the brunette with my micro penis. >> I mean, she >> [laughter] >> No, you [ __ ] won't. No, you [ __ ] won't. Go. Here, findom him or bully him or whatever. Not for free, right?
06:40:14
Brian Atlas>> Micro penis for [ __ ] free. Oh, [ __ ] Stanny Boy sends in another 200 to to the whatever podcast and she'll do it. >> No, I won't. >> Okay, well, anyways, back to the topic.
06:40:24
MayaSo, okay. [laughter] Bisexual and then not gay, not gay. Also, even if it was gay, why does it Why does it matter to anyone what someone's sexual preference is? Wait. Wait. So, even if we were to be
06:40:37
Brian Atlaslike, "Look, whatever. You want to date somebody in your private life, don't give a fuck." But if we're having a discussion about it, >> [laughter] >> then what is the truth? >> I don't think it's a gay because that
06:40:48
Rachel Wilsonperson identifies as a man or I don't remember which man or woman. I'm tired. But if either way, if like Even if they're trans, that's not a gay relationship. If you guys think that women have an
06:41:00
Rachel Wilsonunfair shake in the United States, women are oppressed, whatever, why don't you just identify as a man? Problem solved. Okay, but that [ __ ] The trans woman is
06:41:11
Rachel Wilsonalso not a woman. Yes, they are a woman. No, they're a man. They're not biologically. Yeah, they're not biologically. >> can just say, "I'm a woman" and still be
06:41:24
Rachel Wilsona dude with a dick, Why does it bother you so much? as girls with vaginas just say, "Hey, I identify as a man" and then you'll get all that sweet male privilege? Because I don't identify But you could just pretend. How would anybody know? And then you get all the
06:41:36
SPEAKER_03male privilege. I don't want to do that. I LIKE I LIKE BEING A GIRL. It bothers us because You like being a girl? Why? You're so oppressed. It's so terrible. That's why I am and I'm still a girl. I
06:41:48
Rinathink it bothers I guess it's not that bad for you. I guess it's not so bad. Listen, I think it bothers women when you said, you know, why does it bother us so much? I think it bothers women so much that we have trans men pretending to be us. It's like
06:42:00
Rinayou know, it would be really It is insulting and there was a I think I saw something like that >> this is a costume? You mean a woman? You can just put on a wig and you're a woman. Did you guys see that video of
06:42:11
Anniethe 30 37-year week-old pregnancy guy? He's like, "Oh, I'm still working and I'm 37 weeks pregnant" and he's cosplaying pregnancy.
06:42:23
Brian AtlasAnd Really quick, your answer was Your answer was if post-op straight. I think you said that. It's like a
06:42:32
Rinareally blurry line. But like parts for parts, like it's not, I guess. >> Let's just say this, whether post-op or pre-op, gay. >> [laughter] >> I mean, chromosomes don't lie.
06:42:45
Brian AtlasShe's She's shaking her head. She's shaking So, okay. Can I ask you a question? I We can frame it. And maybe you'll think that this is a bit trick uh some some treachery, some trickery.
06:42:56
RavenWhat does straight stand for? Heterosexual. Heterosexual. So, you like the opposite gender?
06:43:06
Brian AtlasOpposite sex. Yes, opposite. >> Okay. So, can you change your sex? You cannot change your sex. So, just to be clear, you can Okay, you can change your gender. I'll grant that for the
06:43:18
Mayasake of the argument. Uh You would agree though that your sex cannot be changed. So, the the transgender woman is still male? No, if it's woman's transgender, she's a
06:43:29
Brian Atlaswoman. If she's No, but it's a male. So, okay, gender gender Now, I disagree with this, but for the sake of the conversation, I'll grant it. Gender is man, woman. Sex is male,
06:43:39
Mayafemale. So, Yes. transgender women are male. Do you agree? Transgender women are Their sex is male. That's their They're biologically, yes. Biologically,
06:43:51
Brian Atlasyes. Okay. So, they're still male. You would agree that when a man and a transgender woman are engaging in sexual intercourse
06:44:02
Brian Atlasas far as they even can, uh you would agree that that's two males having sex, correct? No. Why is this a problem for you? You just granted
06:44:14
Brian AtlasYou just granted that Wait. Wait. Hold on. Are transgender women males? No. You Wait, you They're biologically chromosomes. Yeah. Well, there is no other category Yes, there I don't know
06:44:27
SPEAKER_03why you guys care. Why do you care what people do behind closed doors? Why do you care if we care? Because why do you care? WHY CAN'T WE CARE?
06:44:41
Rachel WilsonI'LL GIVE YOU REASONS. I'LL GIVE YOU REASONS. Don't tell me how I should feel. I'm allowed to feel however I want. You've said it a hundred times. You've said a hundred times in this
06:44:51
Mayapodcast I'm entitled to my opinion. But you're speaking hatefully about these
06:44:59
MayaYou are brainwashed. Brainwashed NPC [laughter] You guys are saying it as though like Oh, no, they're like you're you're What's the word? You're You're It's
06:45:11
Mayahateful to speak biological truth. No, you're not respecting their identity.
06:45:22
Brian AtlasOkay, let me Not respecting. Because what? I think every human deserves respect no matter what. You know what? My pronouns are your royal majesty. >> I will call you your royal majesty.
06:45:33
Brian Atlas>> majesty, your royal majesty, your royal majesty. Every time you even talk, you need to say your royal high uh No, majesty. I do prefer majesty.
06:45:45
MayaAnd those are my pronouns or adjectives or whatever. So, if I were to refer to you, instead of saying he, I would say your royal majesty. If that's what you want, I can do that to you. And she didn't [ __ ] do it. But I'll tell you why it matters. [laughter] I'll tell you why it matters.
06:45:58
Brian AtlasOkay, so when it comes to dating, do you think trans people have a duty to disclose that they're trans? >> Yes, absolutely. >> hide it? Well, I Why would you hide that? If you're really interested in someone, you want them to know. Obviously, they're going to find out
06:46:11
Mayayou're trans at some point. So, why wouldn't you just disclose in the first Well, some Some trans women are uh passing visually. Yeah, so why would that matter though? If they come up and they're like about to have sex or
06:46:24
Brian Atlassomething, obviously that guy's going to end up knowing that that's >> Not necessarily. You don't think in the history of trans women, no trans women have ever tricked a man into having sex? >> consent comes into play. What do you mean tricked a man? You know if someone
06:46:35
Mayahas a dick or not when you pull their pants down. So what Okay, then that doesn't I mean that doesn't matter then. Why what other than genitalia what's the Wait wait so
06:46:44
Mayajust to be clear. So if a if a trans woman is post-op and has a neo-vagina They have they have no need to say that cuz they are a woman. I would not
06:47:04
Brian AtlasWait wait wait they drone on and on about consent but I if a woman if a trans woman did that to me I would actually think that I was just [ __ ] raped. >> Yes. No no. Or you yes.
06:47:21
Brian AtlasWait question. So if let's say a trans woman is like super passing and she's aware of my podcast and she knows like for example I'll just make the statement now in order for me to be
06:47:32
Brian Atlaswilling and able to consent to sex that has to be a biological female. So and if a trans woman somehow can dupes me into [ __ ] her was I raped? No absolutely [ __ ] not.
06:47:44
MayaSo even even knowing that this is my boundary for consent If that's crazy bro holy [ __ ] That's not rape. I'm sorry cuz if you Are you serious? If you like a bit of a killer or something
06:47:56
MayaWhat the [ __ ] If you if you consented if you consented to having sex with them then that's If you consented to having sex with them why would it matter if you're transgender or not? >> Because a condition of me hmm this is actually
06:48:09
Brian Atlas>> that have anything to do with you? Perhaps it's not strictly rape under the legal definition or criminal definition of rape but I think it ought to be some sort of sex crime but I do think it's [ __ ] rape. Like that's It's not rape.
06:48:21
OliviaThat's some kind of That is so unfair to put that and rape in the same category. That is so [ __ ] It's definitely That is not rape. That that has to be the same kind of deception. Imagine you're making out with someone and then something just
06:48:32
Oliviacomes out of your pants and you had no idea. They didn't consent to that person. They consented Wait but hold on. to a woman that you pretended to be. For straight people that's horrific. That's so sick. >> [laughter] >> And they can you can withdraw consent at any point and if that person doesn't
06:48:45
Mayarespect that then that is rape but if they consented originally that is not rape. They were making out with you if you have that. What about the deception of being a sex worker? Like how we were talking about innies and outies of [ __ ] earlier. If
06:48:57
Oliviasomeone had an outie you didn't consent to [ __ ] them when they had an outie You didn't tell me your vagina was ugly so I didn't consent. >> [laughter]
06:49:09
Mariana>> How much longer are we going to be here? What about I mean I need to go. I'm tired. You you said that there there was deception for somebody who wasn't disclosing that they were a sex worker. You said that's deception. Yes. I did not say that was My my whole
06:49:22
Marianastandpoint was that if they that that was his point not mine. Right but you said that if you got into a relationship and um you know that you you thought that it was wrong for them to leave at that
06:49:34
Oliviapoint when even though they had they had I I would a boundary like oh I don't want this. >> can absolutely leave. Everyone is their own individual person. But you can't erase what happened with that person that you with that was a facade that you
06:49:47
Mayadid not want to hook up with Why are they any less than that coming Why are they any less than a woman than a bio like a born biological Because they're a male. They're not They don't [laughter] have ovaries. They don't have a uterus. They don't have a
06:49:59
Brian Atlasperiod. I don't know why you can't stop It is hateful. hate for trans people. >> Would you be friends with someone that was transgender? Yes. Yes. I have a trans friend that's I have multiple friends that are transgender. And then how are you acting like this towards
06:50:13
Rachel Wilsontransgender? >> Acting like what? Because they're lying. Are we really not allowed to decide who we want to have sex with and why? Absolutely. You can't be I mean you said it right now that it's hateful
06:50:25
MarianaOkay what if what if I pretended to pretended to be a man and I got with a dude who was gay and later on he was like what [ __ ] You know like you're not That is [ __ ] not rape. All right
06:50:37
Marianathat's not rape but No what I guess my point of being my it's not rape My my point being is like imagine imagine how a gay person would feel especially cuz we're going with the gay
06:50:49
Marianaargument here. Imagine how a gay person would feel if they found that out. That would if they found out a straight person did that and they were like what the [ __ ] like what weird [ __ ] is that? I but the the difference between you guys and me is I see a transgender woman as a woman. Don't say the
06:51:01
Mayadifference between any of us. It's highly No because I see a transgender woman as a woman. I see a transgender man as a man. I don't see them as being transgender. I see them as what they are. Are my implants are my boobs real? They're not.
06:51:13
Brian AtlasI actually I don't do this often. I might actually want to walk back the claim. Because I'm thinking of other So I think deceiving somebody while morally
06:51:25
Brian Atlasreprehensible and wrong I don't think all wrong things necessarily rise to the level I've been mass I've been wronged and I've been deceived and it's disgusting
06:51:38
Brian Atlasand perhaps it could be some other category of a sex crime. I don't know if it raises to the level of rape. I wouldn't say rape. Thank you. That's that's all it is. It might though but I because I'm thinking of other scenarios
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Brian Atlaswhere deception is involved but consent was otherwise given. I'm worried age girls lie about their age. Well not even that but it's like what if a guy um
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MayaWhat if a guy lies about his job? And he says he's No I know it's not as bad but it is If they're flat out asked if they're transgender and they say no and lied
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Marianaabout it that's one thing. Why should they have to What if you lied about how if you wanted to be a doctor and you lied about all of your cuz this has happened. People have you know lied about medical licensing and have ended
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Marianaup doing operations on people's bodies you know without having the prior knowledge or the right education. How would you feel if you knew a doctor took that risk on your body? You know and I know that sounds really crazy but it's
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Marianalike the idea of deception right then consent. Would you feel okay knowing hey this person doesn't actually have all of the knowledge and research am I okay with them working on my body?
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Brian Atlastopics Well related to hold on related to consent there is a there is a scenario where for example let's say it's it's dark in a bedroom and a
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Brian Atlasa woman sneaks into like a stranger woman sneaks into a a married man's bed and she uh maybe she she pretends her well she doesn't even have to speak but
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Brian Atlasshe acts as if she is the wife of the husband and this could go in either direction. Um that is actually uh and the sex is otherwise consensual but there's an act of deception. That is
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Brian Atlasrape. identity deception >> An identity deception Yeah so so it is actually like for example there's there there was a case where a man snuck into a woman's bed and she she was married
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Brian Atlasand the husband I don't know what the whole context was but she a man snuck into a woman's bed and acted as if he was the husband and there was a so it
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Brian Atlaswas consent the the the sex was not forced but um and I'm not articulating this perfectly >> I know what you're saying. That that is rape. Legally deemed criminally deemed
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Brian Atlasrape. So in this same circumstance perhaps there is an argument where something as so uh critical as to the the identity deception of the person is
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Mayabeing >> still know who they are. They don't change when they go Yes you you but >> But if you're straight and you only like women vaginas actual vaginas because whatever
06:54:20
Rachel Wilsontrans people have is not a vagina. It is a vagina. It is not a vagina. It is a pseudo vagina. It's a [ __ ] The problem is in transgender. That's not their issue. Their issue is in like
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Marianatrans people. Stop uterus. It's not at all. Then you know. Oh boy. >> Okay I've got a I've got a question for the pro-trans people. When somebody has anorexia
06:54:43
Rachel Wilsonand they think they're fat but they're not they're actually super skinny to the point that it's dangerous to their health. We don't reaffirm that and say you should stop eating you're actually really fat because that's what they want
06:54:54
Rachel Wilsonto hear. We get them treatment. Why do we do the opposite with trans people? Why when a biological male says I think I'm a lady we don't just go No you're
06:55:05
Rachel Wilsonnot. How come we are compelled to play into and play along with the delusion which in the case of men is often autogynephilia which is a sexual kink?
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Rachel WilsonWhy are we forced to participate in their sexual kink? >> No one is asking you to participate in any part of their life. >> you're asking me to affirm their gender identity yes. You are asking me to
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Rachel Wilsonparticipate in their sexual kink by calling him a her. There's dudes that get boners from Yes autogynephilia is literally a kink. Majority of transgender people don't have it as a kink. That is who they are as their