Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30

Duration: 9h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)

SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves

Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm

ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear

Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases

Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions

ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.

Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer

QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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Brian Atlastoo. And he was balding and I wonder I'm trying to think if I had posted this somewhere. Let me see if I posted it somewhere. I don't know if I did. I know a little bit about nano tech cuz I read a lot of

Brian Atlasbooks on it. But, you would be able to grow hair again. You wouldn't even need to like delude you would be able to regrow hair. Sure, but I I guess in this scenario, it's a complete facade, total mask. I

Brian Atlasthink people, whether it's a man or a woman doing this, would feel like this is to some degree a deception. Like if it's nano robots covering your face and it's changing the jaw and it's

Brian Atlaschanging the shape, but it's like, "Well, that's kind of what makeup does to a degree." Now, depends what the makeup is. A little eyeliner or what, that's not huge, but some of the contouring stuff that women do, some of

Brian Atlasthe That Yeah, that that does change it and it's like I wonder if through that lens women would have a greater objection to they would perhaps see males'

Brian Atlasperspective on the deception that makeup can have. And if if women would have a the different tune on it if men were

Brian Atlaswearing some nano robot mask that looked completely basically real and you you were more attracted to this person because they were wearing it.

Brian AtlasI'm going to have to have ChatGPT like generate an image so you can really see what I'm talking about, but it's I don't know. I think a lot of women

Brian Atlaswould feel deceived if there was some nano robot mask that looked super anyways, whatever. We have some chats here. We have Desert Jorge.

Brian AtlasI wasn't a misogynist before tonight's show. After listening to share two and share three spew their retort-edness all night long, I'm now reconsidering embracing misogyny.

Brian AtlasThank you for showing me the truth. Wow, okay. You He was a egalitarian until you guys talked. Good job, guys. >> Damn it. He's entitled to his own opinion. You know, people accuse me of creating all these misogynists or misandrists, I guess. Or no,

Brian Atlasmisogynists. But uh it might It's really the women. Um only Joker's nuke button you talked about earlier, if men left the planet, there goes your income. If a war

Brian Atlasstarted, I can guarantee semi-auto you'd run to men for a fix. When you call a cop, it's men, for [ __ ] sake, La La Land. Yeah. Yeah, if there was a natural disaster

Rachel Wilsontomorrow, you wouldn't be waiting for the women to come save you. >> [clears throat] >> Uh there's no such thing No there's no No feminists in the Mad Max world nuclear apocalypse. Uh finishing off on

Brian Atlasthe the rating thing really quick. Can you tell me a woman who's a 10? Olivia Rodrigo. Oli- Anyone else? Just curious or

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, Billie Eilish. Um Olivia Rodrigo, okay. Google Olivia Rodrigo and then what about you? A A woman who's a 10? I don't remember the actress's name, but it's Manny from um Degrassi or Degrassi,

Marianayeah. >> Manny from Degrassi. Cassie Steele. Yeah, Cassie Steele. >> her, too. Or what's her name? Um the super the Who's the chick that plays Superwoman? And then

Brian AtlasGal Gadot. That one. Gal Gal Gadot. Okay, so those three. And then uh tell me a man who's a 10.

MarianaUm Tell me a man who's a 10 while she's thinking. >> Um David and James Wait, is it Franco? Yeah, the Francos, the Franco brothers. James Franco, okay. Do James Franco. What about you?

Brian AtlasMaybe like younger Leonardo DiCaprio. Young Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. Okay. He's still hot in his old age. Oh, and also

Brian AtlasTroy Bolton, whoever that his actor name is, Troy Bolton. Zac Efron. Zac Efron, yeah. >> [laughter] >> Oh, Zac Efron. Okay, do Zac Efron, why not? Chris Hemsworth. Chris Hemsworth, why not? >> Zac Efron get like a weird surgery or

Rachel Wilson>> his [ __ ] up. He did? He [ __ ] his [ __ ] up. How come nobody ever brings up Jensen Ackles, like I don't know who that is. [laughter] The guy who plays Dean Winchester from Supernatural. He's like

Brian Atlastoo beautiful to exist. I don't even Do you have all those? Image tab, all those? All right, let's uh we're just going to put run them up really quick. Uh All right. Also young Andrew, 10 out of 10.

Brian Atlas>> young Andrew. That Okay, so that's Olivia Rodrigo, you said she's a 10, you're a 10. Next. See, I think she just looks normal. >> She looks like AOC. So this is Gal Gadot, you said Gal Gadot's a 10, you're

Brian Atlasa 10. Next. Uh you said James Franco is a 10, there you're a 10, okay. >> Tab over. Young Scroll up a little bit. Scroll up. >> [laughter]

SPEAKER_14>> Scroll up. Scroll up. Uh okay. >> The third one, the third one. Yeah, the third Yeah. >> He's cute, but he's just He always looks like a baby to me even when he's >> Yeah. He's a really big head. Leo's a

Brian Atlas10, uh Zac Efron. Uh yeah, he's Chopped Zac Efron. No. He's chopped himself. And then there should be uh Hemsworth or whatever. And

Brian Atlasthen okay, there you go. There's So So those are 10s, you guys are 10s. Um >> [laughter] >> Boy. Boy, oh boy. Um Well, can we ask them what it's going to

Brian Atlasbe in 20 years? Oh, the like will they look Yeah, yeah. We haven't We actually stopped doing that. We can do that, though. Um one quick thing, though. So okay, just to be clear, you listed

Brian Atlasuh James Franco, Leonardo DiCaprio, Chris Hemsworth, Zac Efron as 10s. You're a 10. Are those your Is that your league? No.

MarianaLooks league. Is it your looks league? My looks league? No. I I told you I saw myself as a 10 not based on conventional standards. But if we're going, you know, conventional standards, they're very attractive.

Brian Atlas>> And then who was the guy that you said? Young Leo DiCaprio from You said Leo DiCaprio. So is Leonardo Young Leonardo DiCaprio, that's your looks league? Sure.

MarianaLike like Uh boy. All right. Okay. Um that's the >> like isn't it okay for someone to see themselves as a 10 and also understand

Brian Atlasthat they're not going to get somebody like Zac Efron? Well, not get someone because I mean these We're bringing in other factors in terms of attractiveness, uh their status, there's money, there's

Brian Atlassuccess, there's career there. Um but just on the looks front, I would still question, say for example, an average woman who thinks that she could land a guy who's

Marianaan eight, nine, or 10. Well, that's that is different. Somebody who thinks That's what I'm saying is like if you're delusional in yourself, but also don't understand the world, that is a problem. If If you are so

Marianadelusional to believe that looks actually don't matter, that is a problem cuz this is society. And like I said, we as humans we do start with the looks. But if you see yourself as a 10 and

Brian Atlasunderstand that you as a 10 are not in the leagues of societal 10s, I feel like that's fine. >> to rate yourself a 10? If you acknowledge that there are So if Okay,

Brian Atlasif the scale is zero to 10, uh 10 is the ultimate. How can there possibly be men who you would rate as a 10 that are

Brian Atlasoutside of your league? That's my confusion here. There's an inconsistency in application, but yeah, I just don't understand. I guess what I mean by that is that I don't I

Marianapersonally don't go around judging based on looks first. And looks is like the last thing like looks is something that subconsciously is being made in my

Marianamind, but it's not something that I'm holding attention to. I'm not like I can see someone is conventionally attractive like Zac Efron, but that is a fleeting thought. What stays is who are they as a person?

Mariana[clears throat] Is this Is this person someone that I feel cuz attraction isn't just thinking they look good. It's It's a literal sexual desire there, too. >> Yeah, but we're just we're like I was saying, it's just if you're just looking

Rachel Wilsonat a picture. >> Right. So It's not all of those intangibles that when you meet someone and they've got like mad charisma and confidence and they're just like have this aura and all those other things.

MarianaBut you're just looking at a picture. Looking at a picture of you. Looking at look looking at pictures and stuff. Yeah, if I looked at a picture of myself and saw myself as a 10, I think that's because of like he said,

Brian Atlasof my own delusion in myself. I like to see myself as a 10. Okay, um I guess uh final question on this sort of uh you give me a rating out of 10.

MarianaFor yourself? Yeah. Yeah, um I don't know. >> [laughter] >> Here's the Here's the problem is that I feel like like I don't I don't habitually do that. You

Marianawant me to rate you Yeah. as It can be low, I don't care. I won't be offended. >> I was going to Hmm. It can be whatever. I mean, if it's higher or lower, it's fine. >> you know? I'd say you're a 10.

Mariana>> [laughter] >> I don't know what you want me to say. Like I This is I don't know. The I guess. I don't know. Because I think it's strange that we as a society even rates people like this. I think that's

Brian Atlasstrange. I think it's strange that we always like have and like like looks we can't we can't change how we look. Just because I vocalize it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Like it's still It still permeates everything. Like So when

Brian Atlasa woman looks at a man and makes like a split-section subconscious unconscious It's not Well, it's not a conscious determination. She's subconsciously like, "Whoa, that guy's attractive." You've You've like looked at his jaw

Brian Atlasshape. Like you're making like an instantaneous assessment that is factoring in like these very sort of superficial assessments of of humans. Like okay, his inter-pupillary distance is this much. Like you'd be like, "Oh,

Ravenyou'd be less attractive if his eyes were like [ __ ] over here and shit." Yeah, we're not like rating on numbers, you know? We're not like looking at someone like making an assessment of what So So you know like how when you're playing

Brian Atlasuh you you use your iPhone or Have you ever watched a movie? So like you Are you familiar with like computer code or anything? Like coding? Yeah. Yeah. Like it breaks down to zeros and ones. Everything

Brian Atlasbreaks down to numbers to some degree. Like you can break almost anything down into a numerical representation of the thing. You know, like how many molecules are how many how many atoms how many So

Rachel Wilsonlike you can break things down. >> is You rate stuff on DoorDash. When you get your DoorDash order, you give it four stars, you give it five stars. That's all we're talking about with

Rachel Wilsonlooks. And what women do is they assign all this emotional baggage to Oh, if I say that she's not a 10, I'm saying I don't like her and the sisterhood's going to attack me. And if I tell Brian that he's not handsome, he's going I guess I like something called

Marianademisexuals. And it's like when it's It It is a like difficult and that when Okay, I found that it was difficult for me to relate to people who are like, "This guy's really hot. This guy's really

Marianahot." And And that I didn't know was abnormal growing up. I didn't know that like everybody was >> Stop it. Get some help. No. Well, hey. You know, that's It's okay for the world

Rachel Wilsonto be that way. [laughter] Okay, do you have a Did you say if you had a boyfriend right now? >> Yeah. What does he look like? How tall is he? He's 5'7" or 5'9", 5'9". >> Okay, is he good-looking? He would call himself a six. He would tell He doesn't

Marianawant to talk about like he doesn't He has a lower love for himself than I feel like I have for himself. >> Or looks for himself. Like he looks himself in the mirror and he's like, "No, I'm not Uh let's do this. Uh Rachel

Brian Atlaswanted to bring this up. Very good question. Uh Do you think Tell us your age and if you think you'll be better looking in 10 years.

RinaUh genetically speaking, how you know, we we break down over time. Uh I think it's safe to assume that in 10 years from now I probably won't look just as good unless I have plastic

Rinasurgery or have other stuff done just because genetically I'm white as [ __ ] So, I mean somebody that's like a Korean, like her, you know, she has over 10 years maybe she'll look better than I would. But over 10 years I can almost

Rachel Wilsonprobably She looks more She looks more certain years. She looks more white than she does Asian to be honest. But um I mean down to the genome, you know, You know who she looks like? She looks like Winnie Cooper from The Wonder Years. So, I've been told that so many times.

RinaI think Danica McKellar's her. I'd say it's safe to assume in 10 years from now I'm probably not going to look as good. That's just how it is. Okay. Uh you're 22. Will you be better looking at 32? Absolutely not.

Brian AtlasUh you are refused to get I'm going to say 23. Will you be better looking in 10 years' time? Yes. 20 years' time?

GraceNo. Okay, but yes okay. Uh you're 44. Better looking at 54? I would hope to maintain the same. I do think I'm better looking in my 30s and 40s than I was in my 20s. Uh any particular reason? Like

Brian Atlassome people say, "Well, okay, I was a [ __ ] heroin addict to the >> school at the end of my 20s, so I Beauty school? I I know a little bit more about how to do my hair and that kind of stuff. >> might I ask this question? Let's say you

Brian Atlaswere to transpose your hair that you have now to when you were uh 24 and say makeup routine, uh would you be better looking at 24 and uh than you are now at 44?

Brian AtlasMm. I mean, I probably equal, maybe. Wait, wait, wait. Let let Well, let me ask the first question. So, uh 44, will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 54? I would

Gracelike to be the same. You would like to be the same doesn't quite answer the question though. >> Well, I mean, [laughter] I >> like I eat healthy. I work out. I don't do drugs. I don't do alcohol. Like

Grace[laughter] probably like my lifestyle I think is conducive to say that I think I will be equal. So, there'll be no change in 10 years' time. I mean, I might have a few more gray hairs than I do now.

Grace>> That's it. From 44 to 54 like just a couple more gray hairs. I mean, who who who who who are we asking though? Like am I asking You could ask a woman or a man. Like you're

Gracestill the same. >> Yeah. Yeah. Am I comparing myself to other 54-year-olds or am I saying >> Compared to your 44-year-old self, do you think you'll be better looking at 54? In 10 years' time?

Brian Atlas>> I don't think I'll be better looking. No. Will you be the same though? I think so. There won't be degradation. If there is, maybe a little bit. A little bit. Okay, what about uh 64

Brian Atlasversus 44? About the same? Probably better looking at 44 than 64. Yes, better looking but uh slight very slight change or

Brian AtlasI I mean, I don't think Well, okay, 54 to 64. About the same? Probably. Mm, okay. I guess 20-year gaps. Um and then let's

Brian Atlasgo back in time. You're 44 going back to 34. Better looking at 34 or better looking now at 44? Uh I think I was better looking at 34. Okay, and then going back to uh 24.

Brian Atlas24 compared to 44 now. Better looking now or 24? I would say now. Were you like a

GraceMy hair's No, my hair's naturally curly. I just you know, I didn't really wear any makeup. I mean, I don't really wear a ton of makeup now. Um I don't know. I mean, Do you have photos of yourself when you were

Brian Atlas24 you could show us? I could find something probably. I feel like you have good baseline aesthetics. Like you're probably you're probably babing it up at 24. Probably, yeah. Maybe you still are.

Brian AtlasProbably. I mean, [ __ ] Have you You haven't had your rebound yet. I mean, maybe >> [laughter]

Grace>> Nathan, why would you ask that? I I have [laughter] a really funny story about that. About what? >> Uh when I was married to my ex-husband um Yeah. I was going through the gate to go on base after I had brought him lunch

Graceor something. And one of the guys was like, "Man, she's a MILF. Like that's a full MILF." And then >> [laughter] >> he sees my husband waving at me and he's like, "You know her?" He's like, "Oh yeah, that's my wife."

GraceAnd So, every time I came on base to see my ex-husband at that point um that guy ran away from me. He was too embarrassed. And it was a your husband's was a

Brian Atlasmilitary police officer. So, it's like He He worked with him. They were both military police. Oh, they were both. Um okay. Um And then well, you Okay, so better at 44

Gracethan 24. Okay. Uh what about 44 and 18? Probably doesn't change anything but >> I mean, I I I like the way I look better now than when I was 18.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, how about This is not really totally looks related but if you could reget your 20-year-old body, would you make the change? Like would you do the trade? There's not a huge difference. I mean, I probably had a little bit more muscle

Rinathan I do now. You wouldn't You wouldn't You wouldn't do [snorts] the trade? You just get boom, 20-year-old Your bone density would be great again.

Grace>> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, so having a baby at 25 versus 40 Sure. It was a lot easier to recover then, you know, a lot more energy chasing the baby around but >> You You are 25. Better looking at 35?

Brian AtlasYes. Uh better looking at 45? No. Okay. Uh you're 35. Better looking at 45? No. Uh 35. Better looking at 25? Yes.

Brian AtlasBetter looking now? No, I was better looking at 25. >> Uh you are third Sorry, 23. Wait. 33. Uh 33. Better looking at 43? I'll be better looking at 43 because

Brian AtlasI'll be even further along in my health and fitness journey. So, to counteract um even if there are a couple wrinkles based on where I'm at now, yeah, I think that would be great. Might I ask you this question though?

Brian AtlasUh assuming assuming nothing changed Mhm. uh between now uh I guess you're talking about weight, right? Let's say you stayed the same weight. Uh would you be better looking at 43?

Brian AtlasProbably not. Okay. And then 33. Let's go back to 23. Better looking at 23 or 33? Now, I used to be really fat, so You You were more fat at 23. Yes.

Brian AtlasOkay. All right. I've lost 67 lbs. Oh, yeah. Uh you are 30. Better looking at 40? Yeah. Better looking at 40? Yeah. Uh 50?

Lexi (NY)Not as good. But about the same? Yeah.

Lexi (NY)Uh uh 60? About the same? Um Respectfully, if I have as strong as my

Lexi (NY)mother's genes, then I'm very okay with it. It's not going to change very much. In 30 years' time, it's not going to change much. Okay. I'm sorry. Did you

Lexi (NY)mean from 40 to 50? >> 30 to 60. From 30 to 60, extremely different. Definitely not going to be as attractive. I thought you meant from Oh, from each incremental incre Okay. Uh

Brian Atlasyou're 30. Were you better looking at 20 or better looking now at 30? Better looking now. And you said your mother's genes. Are you half black? No, I'm Italian and Lebanese. Really?

Brian AtlasDo you Do you get that a lot? Yes. >> that a lot, right? Yeah. I thought she was half black. Italian? [laughter] Wait, you're Italian and Lebanese. She has like

Brian Atlas>> Actually, I can kind of see I see the Lebanese. I see the Lebanese. All right, there you go. All right. Um okay. And then uh All three of you girls right next to me

Rachel Wilsonhave gorgeous eyes. They have like really bright coloring whoa. She uh Color contacts? Oh, whoa. Your eyes are like yellow. Oh, [ __ ] That's kind of cool.

Brian AtlasWhat What's the like technical or like the actual color? It just says green on my license but Yeah. But They're like kind of They're They're like a yellowish light super light green

Lexi (NY)now. What about the girl over here? Like gray blue? Oh, okay. And then you've got Depends on hazelish Sometimes it'll be a blue gray. All right. All right, well, there it is.

Brian AtlasThere it is. >> [laughter] >> That's interesting. Okay, well, we have a little fun segment now. We you know, we've been grilling you guys for a while. We have put all of you through AI. Oh, no. Oh, no. Now, do we have the

Brian Atlastwo batches? We have like the aging or not Wait, did we No, no, no. We have the gender swap. Oh, I don't like me as a The beautification. Okay. [laughter] All right. So, we have made all of you

Brian Atlasdudes. Hell, yeah. You're all men now. You've all been transformed into men and wait, I have something for this but I

Brian AtlasI've done this >> even find it. So the question you have to think of when you're seeing these photos is would you date the male version of you and then we're going to get into some heated debate destroyed. Okay.

RinaAll right. [laughter] I'm so excited. All right, go ahead. Oh [laughter] bro, okay. Listen. I need to sleep.

RinaWait, push yourself into frame. Um Yikes bro. >> [laughter] >> You're hot. Okay, to be fair my hair is weird. I have weird hair so like it's going to

Rinamake the guy look weird, you know. Would would you date him? Um Kind of with a beard. Yeah, with a beard. It's not that bad. But it doesn't look close enough to my

Rinaboyfriend so I'm going to say no. Okay. Next. Oh god, can you get that to go over? >> [laughter] >> Absolutely not. Wait, you got to zoom

Brian Atlasthese in a little bit because they're like small. So here I'll pull it back up. Would you date the male version of you? >> Absolutely not.

Brian AtlasWhat's Wait, wait, wait, wait. Remember when she was like I don't care about looks, looks don't [ __ ] matter. Well, I don't know. It's AI. That's what it looks like. I would not date him. Yeah,

Mayabut He looks like every every like No, [laughter] he he looks like the He looks like he's 40. What are you talking about? He looks like 25. No, he does not.

GraceHe looks like I would No, he looks like he's 35. What do you think is more attractive, you or the male version of you? I think we're about the same. It looks like Harry Potter to me. >> Okay. All right, [laughter] next.

MarianaWoah. That is not me. >> [laughter] >> Not me. Actually, I actually think that's like funny. That has to be a fin sub bro. All right.

Brian AtlasAll right. Would you date him? I would only date women so Yeah, but like no. Yeah, okay, next. Would you date him? Show it again.

MarianaSure. Okay. Into the mic still. Next. He seems safe. Oh bro. >> [laughter] >> I would date him bro. He's got He looks Look at that smile.

Mariana>> [laughter] >> Wait, but you're You're not Asian. I am Asian. Oh, you are. What? >> Yeah, I'm half Filipino. Oh, half Filipino half Half Romanian. Oh, okay. The Filipino is strong in you.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> I thought you were like Mexican. Latina or Native American.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Okay, so you would date him. Yeah. Okay. Next. Here, hide hide the super chat, please. Oh boy, you guys scuffed scuffed these. Wouldn't date him? >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas[laughter] >> All right, next. Bro, what are you guys doing? Here, hold on. Fix Get them fixed before we go to them, please. [laughter] What do you mean you can't fix them?

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Okay, I see what I don't know why that would Okay, that's weird but okay. >> [laughter] >> Would you date him?

AnnieOkay. All right, next. I would.

Brian AtlasOkay, they pretty generous on this one, not going to lie.

SPEAKER_14>> [laughter]

SPEAKER_14>> Next. Woah, okay.

SPEAKER_14>> [laughter] >> Huh? You saying I look like Andrew? No, I just That's your guy. That's your man. Um like let me see it again.

SPEAKER_14Not bad. He's not bad. He looks like a good guy.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> All right, next. Wow. Okay, I feel like they're a little generous there. I'm not going to lie. A little generous. >> [laughter]

Mariana>> Well, you know what? I think it's the eyeliner. I think the eyeliner is uh >> [laughter] >> Yeah, she can She's [ __ ] hot. Not going to lie. She's hot. I know, right?

Brian AtlasSign me up. >> [laughter] >> Sign me up. And then we did a beautification, I think. I guess we could just run through that super quick. Does Actually, yeah, [ __ ] it. Why not? Why don't we do it? Here, >> [snorts]

Brian Atlas>> you know what? [ __ ] it. We're not going to do it because it's all out of whack, I guess. All right, let's get back into some some debate. Let's get into some disagreements here. >> [laughter] >> So where do I begin? Let me see if there's

Brian Atlasanything in the notes, otherwise we're going to go to the questionnaire. We have Let's see. We did all of Raven's

Brian Atlasnotes, I think, aside from Yeah, no, we did all your stuff about the findom. Maya, you said

Brian Atlasaside from not dating people apparently, you believe that having done porn or only fans shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive. So is this response to something I've said or a clip from

Mayame? I probably. I I don't remember when I filled that out, I'm going to be honest. But yeah, most likely. I I don't think it should inherently make someone unattractive. I think if a man chooses not to be with a woman because she's

Mayadone porn or only fans, that is absolutely his choice and that is absolutely fair. But like it shouldn't be like oh, you're like disgusting [ __ ] because you've done only fans. >> Well, that's different. So okay,

Brian Atlascalling a woman a disgusting [ __ ] is different than your first claim which was doing porn or only fans shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive. No.

MayaBut so what's the difference between What if a man thinks it inherently makes a woman unattractive? >> entitled to that opinion. But in my personal opinion, I don't think I Well, I mean I don't think I

MayaI personally wouldn't go up to like a woman or a man and be like oh, you've done porn, you've done only fans like you're unattractive immediately cuz to me it doesn't matter. So I don't think it should matter to other people, too. But if they think that, then they can.

Brian Atlas>> Well, so it would boil down to preference, I I guess. But um Would it be wrong for many many men to have the preference that just on the just on the basis of them having done

Brian Atlassex work or only fans or porn, that's the sole metric. That is what is disqualifying them, just that. If it say 70% men have this viewpoint,

Mayais this somehow wrong or objectionable to you? I don't think it's wrong cuz I mean you can't like make someone Anyone can be attracted to who they want to be

Brian Atlasattracted to. It doesn't matter what >> Well, is it So like let's say they see women on a dating app who have in their bio used to do porn, used to do only

Brian Atlasfans, used to do all of this and the man like instantly shuts off and that's the end of it. He doesn't give her the chance to reveal more about herself. Is that Is that somehow unfair? I think

Mayathat's fair. But what I think would be unfair is being in a relationship with someone for like say like six months, finding out that they're doing porn or only fans and they really like that person but because they found that out, they break up with them. >> shifting the goal post a little bit

Brian Atlashere. I mean I even I would agree with you that if you knew the girl was a porn star Well, I'm saying if she didn't know and then you found out. Oh, okay, that's interesting. Wait, wait, wait, that's really

Brian Atlasinteresting actually. Well, what I was going to say is I think look, if if you go into a relationship with somebody and you have full knowledge

Brian Atlasahead of time, I think it is fair for you to like maybe start to have issues with it as the relationship progresses. But also

Brian Atlasit's like buyer beware, you kind of knew what you're getting into. Like if she's an only fans girl, good chance she's not going to stop it now like six months deep into a relationship. But

Brian Atlaswhat you said is actually I I guess I misheard you. You're saying that she has kept this from you and then only six months into the relationship when you can see you've fallen madly you She's

Brian Atlasamazing. She's beautiful. Her personality is is striking. But you find out she does only fans six months into the relationship. You then would think it would be wrong for the

Mayaman to dump her or break up with her after this revelation. Is that Do I Is that correct? Why would that be wrong? I think that would be wrong because I don't think

Mayalike what someone does should like change your love for them. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What if it's porn and she's [ __ ] other men? Well, he should be made aware

Brian Atlasof that. That should be on her to make him aware. Then Yeah, there is the deception component. So you're saying So this would not apply. You wouldn't present this hypothetical scenario as

Brian Atlasher having sex with other men and her keeping that secret. When you put it that way, when you put it that way, that is wrong. But then I also see it I see it as work. >> say she's just doing solo content and

Brian Atlasshe's posting pictures of her butt hole and like dildoing herself and [ __ ] >> Dildoing herself, yeah. [laughter] You think it would be wrong in that circumstance where the she there's not an infidelity happening in so far as

Brian Atlasshe's [ __ ] other men, right? Now she is talking to other men on OnlyFans, but Yeah. you might be okay with that. It's not You think it would be wrong for the guy to dump her in that circumstance.

Rachel Wilson>> I just feel like it's work. It's a job. It's not like they're you know >> Oh, okay. I have a hypothetical then. You're Let's just I know you don't date guys, but let's just say you were dating a guy.

Rachel Wilson>> Yes. And it's like 2 months in you really like him, he's awesome, but then you find out that he works for Donald Trump. He's a Donald Trump campaign manager. >> be fine with that. I've had someone who

MayaI was like, hey >> like super against that. >> Well, I have had someone I was hanging I don't think people's political beliefs should divide them. Like we're all people at the end of the day and I think you should everyone should be able to get along with everyone. There's people whose political beliefs I haven't known, I've gotten to know them, became good

Mayafriends, I found them out and I didn't stop being friends with those people because of it. Like I mean I've I would not date a leftist. I I don't know if this is like >> Oh. Rachel, tell me if you think this is

Brian Atlaslike super [ __ ] Um what if you found out 6 months into the >> [laughter] >> that he worked for NAMBLA? What is NAMBLA? >> The North American Man Boy Love Association.

Maya>> [ __ ] is that? [laughter] Basically, uh PDF. PDF writer. >> Okay, that's that's illegal. That is illegal. So absolutely not. I mean that is Yeah, I don't know if that that might have been like >> way far. If some if my boyfriend's a

Brian Atlaspedophile, yes, I'm not going to be with him anymore. But what if he's just looking at pictures and he's not actually like He's not one, but he works for the

Brian Atlascompany and does the ad like helps with their ad I mean it's an advocacy organization. Wait, so they're advocating for child porn or against it? >> Well, uh well, they're advocating >> They advocate that young boys can consent

Brian AtlasOkay, no, absolutely not cuz I don't I don't think a child can consent to anything. Yeah. Okay, that maybe it's a false equivalence. Maybe. Yeah, so maybe that's not a fair comparison. Um

Brian AtlasYeah, you asked me if pedophilia is okay. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, okay. I guess I'm retardedly nuclear retardedly there, but Uh in any case, there's the deception

Brian Atlascomponent. Like you are either through omission or through hiding this, uh you are kind of Like for example, I think it's really common when you're just getting to know somebody, like a

Brian Atlascommon thread of conversation is, "Oh, so what do you do for work?" And if the woman chose in that moment to not disclose, like "Hey, my primary source of Like let's say hmm would you object

Brian Atlasto this? Her only job is doing OnlyFans, but she lies about I think that's wrong. I don't think anyone should ever lie. I hate liars and hypocrites and if she's lying about it >> lie through omission?

MayaYou can lie through omission. If she was like, "Oh, you know, I'm kind of in between jobs or just like not saying what she does directly," I do think that is like like What if she said she's a content creator? Hmm. >> Then I I mean technically that's true.

MayaIt's just not saying what kind of content creator she is. I was on a date with someone and then they told me they were content creator, I would immediately look them up on all platforms and figure out what they're doing. So I would figure out get to the bottom of what they're doing and make a

Brian Atlasdecision from there. I still Look, I think you should disclose if you're a sex worker. Um Absolutely. >> And I mean you've kind of keep walking things back and back and back to make your position more tenable. So it's like

Brian Atlasyour original message you sent, "Having done porn or OnlyFans shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive." Now it's like, "Okay, well, what if um Well, she lied about it, that's one thing. But I don't think like you should immediately like

Mayascreen someone out? >> Yeah, because they're yeah. Like I wouldn't immediately screen someone out if they were against my political beliefs or if they were doing something like that. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah. Oh, no, there's >> [laughter] >> I'm just saying personally I don't think

Brian Atlaswe should judge people. I wouldn't do that. But you're saying having done But this your claim goes beyond just your own personal preference. You're making a social critique of people who

Brian Atlasuh I assume men who would refuse to date a woman on the sole basis that she's done porn or OnlyFans. Like for example, I would not I would not want to date a woman who has done

Brian Atlasporn. That's fair. I worded the I worded my I worded my answer bad. I'm so sorry. But also it's you shouldn't shouldn't It shouldn't inherently make a girl

Mayaunattractive or unappealing. Yeah, in my personal belief, but that's not >> to stand on You can't just be like I guess it's okay. I I don't really stand on anything. I want everyone to be happy They call you flip flop.

Rachel WilsonYou I just want everyone [laughter] to be happy and jolly. I just want everyone to sing Kumbaya and hold hands. >> Sometimes [laughter] I think it might be nice to live in Delulu Land with a lot

Mayaof the other women. You guys all just are ignoring our that Epstein files and all just living in Delulu Land that Trump's not in there. I mean that's the same [ __ ] The same thing. >> [laughter] >> ICE is taking families apart. There are

Rachel Wilsoneven legal immigrants that are still living in the U.S. >> yet that you had any clue what you were talking about. So we're just going to all recognize that you also have no clue what you're talking about on this one either. Okay. So if somebody gets caught in Disneyland and didn't buy a ticket,

Gracedo you think they should get kicked out? Yeah, but what about the people that >> the difference between that and ICE kicking somebody out? Because all some of them have papers and documents and they're being kicked out anyway. Who? The immigrants Not one single person was

Mayaan American citizen. >> We kicked out a veteran. Did you guys see that? We had a veteran who served the United States of America I profiled guy that turned out to actually be illegal. I don't think he was.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, can we test this really quick? So okay, I actually I So I agree with you as follows. Yes, if ICE is making mistakes and if it

Brian Atlasis the case that they are deporting people who have a a genuine right to be like actual citizens, then that's wrong in the same way that sometimes police officers do make mistakes. Of course, like yes, sometimes

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> sometimes there are genuine cases of of police misconduct, brutality, killings and often times those are genuinely prosecuted and then sometimes not too, right? If I can agree to that, are you

Brian Atlaswilling to say that I I'll stand by you and say either unjustified actions by ICE or unjustified deportations, which my understanding it's compared to the millions of deportations that are

Brian Atlashappening, we're talking about a handful. We're talking about a few. Even if it is happening, it's wrong. Are you okay with the millions and millions of genuinely viable, true

Mayadeportations that are occurring, are you totally fine with those? I'm not totally fine with all of them. Okay, so your objection is not about the >> America was a We were built upon immigrants. We are all immigrants. She's

Mayajust talking points for your education. She's just No, but what are the immigrants doing that's affecting us? First, have any of you ever been personally victimized by an immigrant? A lot of people have been victimized by immigrants.

Brian Atlas>> done? What have they done? But hold on, why are we deporting children and tearing families apart? Like why are we doing that? Well, well, hold on. So should we we should keep the children here and separate them from their parents and deport them back? >> anyway. No, typically if you if you do a deportation, the kids go with the

Mayaparents. >> true. Yes, parents are in different facilities than their children and there are young girls being raped and getting pregnant in there. >> That is also not true. She is literally just sitting here saying it's

Rachel WilsonI know where you're getting this from because we do a thing [laughter] we do a thing on the Crucible called TikTok Invasions where we go into leftist TikTok and we hear them say this insane stuff and we challenge them on the actual facts and they're always wrong. >> facts that are in like do you guys have

Rachel Wilsonany documentation that that stuff is not happening? Well, he could bring it up, but you don't have documentation either. Where's your facts? Where's your facts? YEAH, WHERE'S YOUR FACTS? WHERE'S YOUR FACTS? I DON'T HAVE THE WHY WHY ARE YOU confidently asserting something then? If

MayaBut you're asking me for evidence, but you don't have to provide evidence. I don't think we would have like millions of Americans protesting right now if there wasn't some basis of truth to it. >> Well, you would be wrong because we had

Mayayou girls protesting in the streets over women's oppression when that's not happening either because you just feel like it is. >> It's the way that women are being We We already talked about that. The way that women are being talked

Mayaabout and treated and why like the way that men think it's okay to talk about us and as >> Nobody's talking about you. Wait, wait. Can I ask you a question? Nobody's talking about you. I've got a really good question here. So okay, do you

Brian Atlasthink sometimes when people are when people are doing activism or protests that beyond just finding something objectionable, even if it's not like government down, like okay, in

Brian Atlassociety there's misogyny and oh my god, it's so terrible. Whether real or imagined, would you agree that sometimes the aim of active activism or protest could be to attempt to get laws passed? I would agree so, but I don't think it

Brian Atlaswould be >> criminalize misogyny? Criminalize misogyny? >> Yeah. No, cuz they're entitled to their own opinion. But I think the So then what the [ __ ] is the what the [ __ ] is the point of that? But the point of the the

Brian Atlaspoint What do you want the government to do about men, some very small amount of men who sometimes say mean things about women? What do you want them to do? >> is The protest is a gathering of people

Mayato show that there is an issue that people are recognizing and seeing. There's no There's no doing that. What is the issue? >> I've said it. >> [laughter] >> Who are you protesting against? >> We're just trying to show like a group

Mayaof like getting together with a group of like-minded people that support you and sing Yeah, and just getting together to loudly complain in public. >> What is wrong with complaining though? But what are you complaining about? What do you want done? I have not answered

Rachel Wilsonthat question so stop saying you've answered the question [laughter] cuz you have not answered it. What what do you want done about it? The the point of the protest is that you want what? Something done. No, I'm not saying they want anything done. They're in the So they're

Lexi (NY)just complaining. We just want to complain. We just want And what is wrong with complaining? We have freedom of speech. >> What are you complaining about that men are apparent allegedly according to you

Mayamen are always talking [ __ ] about women? Who? The amount of time the amount of horrible [ __ ] I've >> is who? >> The amount of horrible [ __ ] I've heard men say about women specifically. >> TikTok? >> No, I had I was with a group of I was

Mayawith a group of guys once and they're all talking about like sex or whatever and they were talking about like sex position where you do some [ __ ] up [ __ ] to a woman and she tries to get away from you and they all were laughing about it. That is not okay. >> wait you haven't [laughter] heard women

Rachel Wilsonsay awful things about men and all laughing about it. You guys just did. You just did on this podcast. Wait, this is a complete I I believe that. >> That's not for public protesting though. We're talking about public policy.

Brian AtlasPlease please please. Hold on hold on. I think Hold on we'll get into that too. I think this is a complete actual misrepresentation of what these protests are actually about. Now I think it's

Brian Atlasfine for women to feel upset about some sort of cultural or social zeitgeist where there's like misogyny or whatever. If women feel that way that they can object to that but these protests are

Brian Atlasseem to be more about women don't have rights and we we got to we got to rally together to protect the women's rights. What are the specific rights in which you're attempting to secure or protect for women?

Maya>> more recently Roe v. Wade is the one that most women have been protesting for is that one being overturned they're trying to keep that and we already talked about abortion but I think that's what they're trying to keep in there. Okay. So I have a question for you. You

Rachel Wilsonsaid which We're going to do a little lesson in how to think you said I don't think a bunch of people would be protesting if this wasn't going

Rachel Wilsonon right? Okay. Do you trust the government? >> No, absolutely not. Okay. Are you aware of the fact that entities like NGOs and

Rachel Wilsonthe CIA have paid protesters that this is a proven fact that there are astroturfed fake social movements? >> And I am also aware that there is people like that you can go on on Indeed and

Rachel Wilsonfind a pro people that will hire you to go out and protest so I'm aware of that. >> Yeah, so I wrote this little book that y'all should buy on Amazon. It's called the Cult Feminism the Secret History of Women's Liberation and it details how

Rachel Wilsonthe CIA was actually involved in the creation of Ms. Magazine and multiple other feminist propaganda to push it into the culture during the Cold War. Do you think there

Rachel Wilsonmight be something going on right now? Do you think that there could be any of these kind of entities behind some of the like ICE protests or the No Kings Day stuff? >> Absolutely and I think they're trying to

Rachel Wilsondistract us from the Epstein files. Okay. But you have a problem with ICE so we're not we're not going to just endlessly talk about that on here because it's also YouTube TOS and it's all speculation. The thing about that is

Rachel Wilsonit's all speculation right now. So you have a problem with ICE deporting people. Didn't Obama deport more people than Trump has? >> He absolutely did. But that was over an 8-year term wasn't it? >> Obama put them in cages too. Yeah. And

Mayayou don't think Trump's putting them in cages? We put people in jail. If they violate laws they're air-conditioned facilities they're getting three meals a day. Yes, they are. No, you're delusional.

Lexi (NY)What what you I would love to see you guys' evidence to this. I would like to see yours cuz you you keep talking about a lot of these facts but you keep going I feel this I think that. Do you know or do you think

Rachel Wilsoncuz it sounds like you think a lot of stuff that you don't know about. >> she is is she's a great representation like the Marxists put this in all of their writing during like the Bolshevik Revolution they said you've got to get the young women. You've got to send them

Rachel Wilsonto university because they're the easiest to capture and propagandize and they're the easiest people to turn into crazy revolutionaries because you can weaponize their motherly instincts and

Rachel Wilsonyou you show them pictures of kids in cages. You tell them that families are being separated. You say the little girls are getting raped by ICE and they'll believe that and they'll go oh my god I have to protect the innocent

Rachel Wilsonundefend in thing that can't defend itself, right? This is why you see insane women in the street trying to fight ICE like literally trying to block them with their SUVs and punch them in the face. My dear, you are completely brainwashed

Mayaand totally propagandized and you've eaten up all the propaganda and you totally believe it. >> I if I will look up some sources and find some articles once we're done here. I hope that you do and you're going to find out that you're wrong. You're going

Rachel Wilsonto find out that you're wrong. >> to finding out I'm wrong. So the whole I had a big fight with people on Twitter about this. There was some other dummy left lefty idiot on Twitter who was making the same allegation all the ICE

Rachel Wilsonagents are raping and impregnating all the girls in these places. No. Some of the women that are coming over the border and get detained the even very young girls are found to be pregnant but it's the coyotes who are human

Rachel Wilsontrafficking them across the border who are impregnating them. They show up already pregnant. They're not being raped by ICE in prison. Like you think there's not cameras in these facilities? You think there's no oversight? Like if something like that was going on on a

Mayawidespread level there'd be we would be seeing a case at least. Have you guys seen the uh she was like a leftist what was what's the word reporter and she tried to get a job with ICE and they like barely did any interview process any

Rachel Wilsontraining or Yeah, I really trust a leftist reporter to to honestly report on how ICE hiring processes work. But can you tell can you tell me why we shouldn't deport illegal immigrants? You

Mayasaid you have a problem with ICE. >> illegal so they are Okay, tell me about that. Explain. >> How could you say a person is illegal? That's So you don't think there should be nations or borders? No, there should

Rachel Wilsonbe nations and borders but >> What makes a nation? What makes a nation if you don't have legal citizenship? The people that are here. Doesn't like somewhere in the Bible it says something about that says that

Rachel Wilson>> say don't it don't even No, there's not you know that though. No, it doesn't mean have open borders. We're talking about ancient kingdoms that would literally slit your

Rachel Wilsonthroat if you crossed their border without being allowed in. Um thank you Brian. Do you think it's wrong for Japanese people not to let immigrants in? No, but I think it when people are

Maya>> Wait wait wait when people when people are already here and they have established a life and now Trump is in office and you just So if you try sneaking into Iran and see what Iran does to you. Do you think it's

Mayaokay if you sneak across the border into Iran and they put you in prison? Do you think it's wrong for Iran to do that? No, but I also I'm just saying >> Wait, so why is it wrong for Iran? >> It's the way that we're doing it that I

SPEAKER_03think is wrong. How should we do it? >> we should see that >> Should we put them on a little padded cushion and and give and peel grapes and put little grapes in their mouth and sing them

Mayasongs when they go to sleep at night? >> find I mean if they're not like undocumented immigrants and they're in America why and they've been here they have a life established here they have children here cuz their children were

Mayaborn in America and they're citizens why can't we help them get like their proper citizenship rather than just kicking them out? I mean they're already here. >> There are some there are some people who are going through that process and are being allowed to do it but it depends on

Rachel Wilsonthe case and the problem is that this has been going on since before I was born, okay? So we've had such a massive wave of immigration over the last 50 years that now we're in a really [ __ ] situation where we got to try to unfuck

Rachel Wilsonit and guess what? You're not going to deport millions of people without a little bit of discomfort. And I know women don't like discomfort which is why I say men ought to be the ones in charge of all this thing because even right-wing conservative women will often see this stuff and get upset and get

Rachel Wilsonworked up and be like I don't know we shouldn't do it. Life is hard and there has to be rules and there has to be borders and boundaries and if there's no borders or boundaries if if we're not allowed as a

Rachel Wilsoncountry to enforce our borders why are you as a woman allowed to enforce your boundaries and borders? Like why don't you let immigrants into your home? Oh yeah, I think so. I think we should let them stay with you. I think we

Rachel Wilsonshould let Jose and his whole family come live with you. You can pay for their health care and you can pay for their food. I honestly think we're not doing enough. Yeah, we're not doing enough. We're not near enough. Tearing families apart isn't

Brian Atlasenough? Hold on. Wait wait wait. Tearing families apart Yes. Oh, you're tearing families if that's a consequence of somebody illegally immigrating here then So what about what about the people whose children are citizens and they are

Mayanot citizens cuz they immigrated to America had their baby here and

Rachel WilsonSo that you don't have that anymore. So let me let me check you in for consistency. If if I if I commit a murder tomorrow and I get put in prison

Rachel WilsonI'm being separated from my children. Is that is that okay? Yes, cuz you So if I commit a crime and I get put in prison I'm separated from my children. That's okay. Yes. Yes. So if you are illegally

Rachel Wilsonresiding in a country and by the way these people were warned. Everybody's forgetting about this. We gave them a couple of years to get out do it the proper way get their paperwork in order and those who didn't we warned them for

Rachel Wilsona couple of years. Hey, you're going to be deported. Hey, make your plans. Hey, take care of this and they chose not to. They very willingly violated the law

Rachel Wilsonagain and again and again and chose to do that. So why is it not okay to deport them? Murder? And so >> hold on. Rachel brings up a really good

Brian Atlaspoint here. So, if we make them aware of their status, like let's say like let's say they just came in and they didn't know. And let's say we said, "You have a

Brian Atlasyear to make arrangements to leave." Let's say we did that. Um by the way, 99% of them wouldn't voluntarily leave. But you think that's because of their race or you're just

Mayasaying that you're like like what Why are you saying that? Why don't you think they wouldn't voluntarily leave? I know, but that's what I'm asking you. Because if they've come here illegally, they've they've willfully uh But your hypothetical was they didn't know that it was illegal to move here.

MayaIsn't that what you said first? But I'm saying if they didn't know uh Wait, hold on. Do you I don't know how that is even racist, but you said that if they didn't know and they came here and then they were given a year to leave and then you said they probably

Rachel Wilsonwouldn't. Why What is your basis of that? Why would you say they probably wouldn't? They didn't know they weren't illegally here anyway. Because they're already here violating the law. They're here violating the law. But your hypothetical was you did they didn't know it was illegal to move here. Yes, he did say that. He did say that. No, I'm saying No, I so I I said that let's

Brian Atlassay they did come here and they didn't know that they [laughter] were violating any law and say they were put on notice, "Hey, you know, look, you you came here, you didn't know. By the way, this is a completely ridiculous hypothetical scenario and we gave them a year to voluntarily leave." Uh and they don't leave. And that would then entail or well, and that would then allow us to deport them and this would split up a family. Would it still be wrong then? No, I think that's absolutely fair. I think that's what's happening. Okay, so now but however, that the the scenario I gave you, uh that doesn't exist. Most of them are aware of their illegal status. So, they know they know that they're subject to Like do you do you think that

Brian Atlasa an illegal immigrant who's here today, who's been here for 1 2 3 4 5 years, isn't aware of the current like Oh, but they they absolutely are. So, they're aware. Why are they not Wait, wait, so why are they not voluntarily self-deporting? It's the way that ICE is treating them. ICE wouldn't even be involved if they got the [ __ ] out. And do you think it's the way they're supposed to be treated? My my issue isn't with I don't I'm I'm unbiased to the immigrants completely. My issue is how ICE is treating like the the process that they beat Oh my god, I can't speak. The process that is being done to remove

Mayathe immigrants is it thing I have the issue with. What is the process? seen a handful

Rachel Wilsonof stories that the media makes it look super terrible. Don't you wonder why under Obama you didn't see any of those stories? No, I'm going to look into them later. I'm going to I'm going to look into all of those. I didn't even think about it. You know, I'm starting to think that the problem

Mayawith you is that you were not disciplined enough as a child. Okay. >> [laughter] >> I'm really starting to think that your mama should have should have taken care of you. I've I've been told I should have been whipped with a belt. Yeah. But that I'm a bit confused. [laughter]

Brian AtlasSo, what about you? You're way too confidently ignorant. Just way too confidently ignorant. I'm just trying to What if we were to do this though? You would acknowledge that there are legal immigrants who aren't being torn who don't have family here, who don't have

Brian Atlaschildren, who aren't being Their families are being ripped apart. Are you fine with us deporting say, I don't know, a 25-year-old illegal immigrant male who has no family here? If they have their life

SPEAKER_03established here, yes. If they don't, then no. Oh my god, all these additional like variables that But you they have to be additional variables in order to be accurate. Like it can't just be Who gives a [ __ ] if they have a life established here? They can go establish it somewhere else.

SPEAKER_03Go establish it in How would you feel if I just picked you up and took you to Canada right now to just drop you THERE COMPLETELY? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD happen to me. If I go to a country where I'm not a citizen and I'm there

Marianaillegally, they should kick me out. It's crazy. They do everywhere but here. That's why people come here because it's easy to come in. It's easy to come into America. It was not wrong for Japan to kick people out. It's only wrong in the United [clears throat] States. But it's the same situation. If they had

Mayaestablished a life in Iran somehow, figured it out, and then we just keep them there. Like they're still illegal. I mean, they kicked them out of their own country. Wait, wait, wait, question. Who agrees with her? Like who's against uh the deportations? Are you you're against deportations? What Anyone else? So, I think it's a bit more

Brian Atlasconservative-leaning panel. But you're you're also and I guess could you echo some of your own uh positions on this? Like what why are you against ICE? Why are you against deportations?

Brian AtlasI don't think that anyone is illegal on stolen land. It was stolen. It was conquered. I agree with that. But that's true. That is the truth. Wait, wait. TikTok told me that nobody's illegal on stolen land. Billie Eilish told me that. We didn't kill Native Americans. We

SPEAKER_03didn't do any of that. No, we didn't. Did you hear the story about Billie Eilish having the guy before them though? Like Most of the Native American Native Americans who were killed were died from disease. That is not true. It is absolutely true. We killed We killed Native We stole their land. Even if they did die from diseases, do you think it's okay? We brought the disease. We still killed them indirectly. So, it's clearly a colonization problem, isn't it? Yes,

Rachel Wilsonyou guys are I think Let me ask you a question then about that. When Spanish explorers came to Central America and found that they were performing human sacrifice in huge numbers and they stopped it by force, were they wrong? No. I don't know. Why not? It's a different time frame. If I walked in like this day and age and saw that, I'd be like, "Yeah, that's [ __ ] up." But back in that time frame, I I don't know what they were doing. They could have been having a good time. They were performing human sacrifice in huge numbers. Archaeological in the 15 1600s when Spanish explorers were I mean, people were like I mean, it was that was

Rachel Wilsonjust it's just all a completely different time frame. What? What were you talking about? It's a completely different time frame. Let's let her talk a bit. Let's let her talk a bit. Go ahead. Me? Yeah. About my Okay. Your position,

Rachel Wilsonwhy? Yeah, um so, all right. Um yeah, no one's illegal on stolen land, but uh Sorry, I've literally I Is there any land Wait, wait. Is there any land

Mayathat's not stolen? Yeah, yeah. When you say stolen Yeah. Genghis Khan. Hold on. When you say stolen land, can you What does that mean? No one's illegal on stolen Well, that's

Mayagreat. I'm just repeating stolen land. Hold on. [ __ ] repeated the same thing. So, if a if land is stolen by people, how how are they Hold on. Hold on. What is stolen land?

RavenLand that was like Stolen land is land that was stolen. Okay, that's helpful. Through colonization. Through colonization? Yes. Is all land in America colonized land?

RavenThat's that's not really That's not really the point that I was getting at. I think it's the whole point. Okay, so what is stolen land? Okay, but answer the question. What is stolen

Brian Atlasland? A land I'm land that's stolen. That makes no [ __ ] sense. Okay, what does that mean? You're asking the same question. You're asking the same question. No, but if you say stolen

Ravenland, yes. See, they they have these catchphrases, but they don't even know what they mean. They don't. They they just repeat No one is illegal on stolen land. What is stolen land? I believe that it's stolen from Native Americans.

Brian AtlasOkay, so are there which particular pieces of land were stolen from Native Americans and which specific tribe? There were I know different tribes.

RavenThere was And was all was all land in the Americas belonging to Native Americans? I don't know if all land in America Well, well, actually most of the land in

Raventhe United States was actually bought is my understanding. Like the Louisiana Purchase and most [laughter] of it was bought. Okay, well, my belief at the end of the day Wait, oh, no, this is Wait, wait, really good, really good. I have

Brian Atlassomething really good for this. Okay, so, do you think Native America Hold on. Do you think Native Americans in the United States or whatever it was before the United States

Brian Atlasin the Americas, do you think Native American Americans occupied all pieces of land within the United States? Or were there Were there some pieces of land that were unoccupied? There were probably pieces

Brian Atlasof land that were unoccupied. So, if I could point out to you, perhaps in various state territories, that there was land that was not at any point occupied by Native Americans and you

Brian Atlasit's genuinely it's not stolen land. It was just land that was either discovered or purchased or whatever and it's property and territory of the United States government and there's an illegal immigrant living on the not

Brian Atlasstolen land. Are you fine with it illegal deportation of illegal immigrants on the not stolen land? Am I fine with deportation of illegal immigrants on on land in the United

Brian AtlasStates that's not stolen? Because you'd agree that there's some land in the United States that's not stolen, that's perhaps currently a city. I don't know. I couldn't point to the precise area. Nevada probably wasn't. We have some in Arizona, too. Right, like yeah, yeah.

Brian Atlas>> [clears throat] >> Okay, so, then let's not even say the phrase anymore. My belief is still the same. Wait, wait, wait. Well, hold on. What the [ __ ] Cuz cuz you're cuz you're I tried to walk her through that, but No,

Brian Atlasno. You're focused on the phrase I said that everyone says. Well, you cuz the basis was it's stolen land. So, you have no right to deport. But we're we've colonized now. Like the all of America

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