Rachel Wilson vs. HATER Feminists & Woke Liberal Girls?! E-GIRL Bankrupts Men?! | Dating Talk 288

Date: 2026-03-30

Duration: 9h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Rina(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_06Raven(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Mariana(guest)

SPEAKER_10Olivia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Annie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lexi (NY)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Rachel Wilson introduce themselves

Key MomentRaven reveals she organized gun control protests but cannot define semi-automatic firearm

ControversyRaven admits she hates men 99% of time, would snap fingers to make all men disappear

Key MomentRachel cites DV statistic: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal cases

Key MomentRachel presents artificial womb hypothetical to test pro-choice positions

ControversyImmigration debate erupts. Maya yells "I'M TRYING MY BEST" in frustration.

Key MomentLexi confronts Raven: 'What can Brian legally do that I cannot?' - Raven cannot answer

QuoteMaya calls Trump 'racist homophobic fascist pedophile' but cannot define fascist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 female guests + Rachel Wilson. Diverse panel ages 22-45.

Findom Career Deep-Dive

Raven's findom explored: wallet draining, SPH, pay pigs.

Domestic Violence Statistics

Rachel cites study: women aggressors in 70% of non-reciprocal DV cases.

Man vs Bear Debate

Panel debates bear vs man; analogies to racial profiling.

Abortion Debate

Extended debate on when life begins. Rachel walks Maya through logic tree.

Immigration and ICE

Heated debate. Maya supports ICE protests. Rachel calls her brainwashed.

Trans Dating and Disclosure

Whether attraction to trans women is gay. Consent and deception debate.

Show Wrap

Brian wraps after ~9 hours.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasis now us. So, even the parts that were stolen, I don't know the statistic on it, but I bet most of the land was occupied by Native Americans. So, let's even grant that 60% of the land was

Brian Atlasstolen. Oh my god. 60% of the land was stolen. 40% of the land wasn't. So, if you find an illegal immigrant on land that was not stolen, fine to deport them then? No, because we still own all of

Raventhe land. would that be relevant? Because we we How would it be relevant? It's relevant because >> because because

Maya>> own all of the land. >> be relevant? >> Because we we >> How would it be relevant? It's relevant because we stole the land that then we all connect I mean we're all connected. It's all one thing. What? I don't know. I'M SO SORRY. I'M TRYING MY BEST.

Maya>> [laughter] >> SO THEN I'M TRYING MY BEST. That's what you're [ __ ] doing. >> [laughter] >> It's like that. >> That's so funny. One of my coworkers compares me to Donnie all of the time.

Brian AtlasMouth noises. Literally nothing. Hold on. I have a TTS here and then we'll get back to it. Thank you unknown soldier. >> The unknown soldier donated $200. >> you, man. The only intelligent thing

SPEAKER_00chair two has said all night was 5 hours ago when she said she wasn't going to hit kids. [clears throat] Thank God. >> You're welcome, brother. Thank you.

RavenThank you, unknown soldier. Can uh can somebody be illegal on non-stolen land? I I honestly regret even cuz like saying

Raventhat sentence because now I can't talk about my viewpoints. Okay. Why not? Because now you're stuck on the sentence. >> Well, well, but hold on. Wait, what? >> [laughter] >> That doesn't even

Brian AtlasNow I can't talk about my viewpoint because >> here. Okay, so your position, if I have it correct, regardless of whether the land is stolen or not, you still object to uh deportations. I object to

Ravendeportations of anyone who is not a violent I don't I think that violent criminals So yes, you can

Raven>> illegal immigrant >> illegal violent criminals. So you're fine with those [snorts] deportations? If it's literally illegal violent criminals, I mean

SPEAKER_03I don't there's no reason to tear apart families. Yes, there is. Okay, what if we're not tearing apart the family? We just say the whole family goes back to their

SPEAKER_03home country. >> doing anything wrong. They came here

Brian AtlasLet's say if I just Do you do you own the house or rent a house? Is it Do you have roommates or is it just you? No, right now I just right now I have an apartment. >> your one-bedroom, two-bedroom apartment?

Brian AtlasThree. Just for you? Yes. Privilege. White female privilege. Waging privilege, I guess. Um So Brian can just crash there. >> I can just walk in Why not? What? Would you call the police?

Brian Atlas>> to kick him out? That's rude. >> not I'm like I'm Yeah, you don't own it, so. >> I am occupying one of the empty bedrooms in your three bed You She has a three-bedroom apartment to herself. Why

Ravenhaven't you housed any illegal immigrants? >> Yeah. [laughter] Cuz it's I would. You would? >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Bull [ __ ] [ __ ] Wait, shake on it? Okay. >> We're going to We're going to go find >> no.

Rachel WilsonI'm saying this on a podcast right now. But I actually talked to my grandma and I had a discussion about this actually. Oh, you talked to the You talked? Hey everybody, uh let us know who needs a home, an illegal immigrant who

Rachel Wilson[laughter] needs homes. We've got two spare bedrooms. They are free. You know, she would never charge you anything because it wouldn't be right to do, so. No man. No, it could be a man. No, no,

Rachel Wilsonshe doesn't like men. No, it could be a Wait, can we deport the illegal men? Can we deport the illegal men? Yeah. You don't have No, no, no. No.

Rachel WilsonOh, boy. >> So does everybody understand now? Cuz I get [ __ ] I get so much [ __ ] about this and I want to ask all the haters, do you now understand why I don't want them to vote? >> You also You guys have proof You have no proof of

Mayaanything you guys are saying. We do have proof. Wait, what is the proof you want? >> I would love to come back sometime after I've been able to do research. I will I will look up some stuff out. I will write I

MayaI would love to after I have time to prepare. Give me time to prepare. I didn't know what the [ __ ] we were talking about. I thought this was a dating podcast. I will give you as [laughter] much time to prepare as you want and you can pick the topic and we

Brian Atlaswill debate. Rachel will debate you with a blindfold and she has to be hung Do you drink, Rachel? I can't drink because of my hemochromatosis. >> Oh, you know what? Rachel

Brian Atlas>> get me super stoned to the point that I don't know where I am and then I'll blindfold myself. Rachel will be blindfolded and we're going to actually um we're going to have have her through sleep deprivation

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> for 24 hours. We're going to have what We're going to have her listening to something. I don't know. Barbie Girl on repeat for 10 hours. [laughter] And just yeah, and she will come and debate you just as a handicap.

Maya>> time to prepare, but I guarantee that I would be able to prove more stuff [clears throat] than you guys would be able to prove. I'm ready. I'm down. Honestly though, I do think it's white liberal women who are kind of

Mayaruining the country a little bit. I don't mean I'm I don't I'm I'm I align more with liberal beliefs, but I believe all politicians are bad. I do not like Bill Clinton. I do not like Hillary Hillary Clinton. >> They're Democrats. I don't Okay, but but

Mayalet's not talk about the people. We're talking about the ideas. The ideas, yes, but I don't think any politician is good. I think they are all corrupt and they are all have alternate means for the reason. That sounds like other cool

Brian Atlasstuff you heard someone say. I I so ready to Okay, but what about the the will will of the people that don't want illegal immigrants in this country? The what? The Okay, but you're saying,

Brian Atlas"Well, I don't like uh politicians." Okay, cool. That aside, uh if there's a will of the people that they don't want illegal immigrants in this country, then Yeah. >> you have to contend it with that, not

Mayajust politicians bad. Like all of these protests are demonstrating how much Americans >> That's a tiny tiny tiny minority of the population. The vast majority of us

Rachel Wilsonvoted for Trump because we wanted to And there's also a lot of Republicans that are now regretting voting for Trump. Wait, I don't even understand this argument. They're regretting it cuz he's not deporting enough people. There's a

Brian Atlaslot of step up. He needs to step up the deportation. He's way behind. Wait, but I don't understand the argument of, "Well, there's all these protests that are against him, therefore he's wrong."

MayaWe have a January 6th She said they let them in. I want to go back to that. Why the [ __ ] would they let them in in a protest? That was a good question. If that was a Black Lives Matter protest, they would not have let them in and they

SPEAKER_03would have destroyed [ __ ] You're right. You should probably think about why that might be. >> [laughter] >> supporting black lives? That doesn't make any sense. No, you said, "I don't understand why they let the J6 protest

SPEAKER_03YEAH, YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT. HANG NANCY PELOSI. You should think about why they would let in the protesters. You should go home and let it let it marinate for a while and maybe you'll come up with a

Mayareason why they did that. So they were chanting hang Nancy Nancy Pelosi. Weren't they saying that, right? >> No. Yes. And they were and they were in there and they destroyed [ __ ] in there. They were stealing [ __ ]

Maya>> like a keyboard. That is so I'm so I I need to look up some [ __ ] but I don't know. I I'm ready Yeah, you need to look up You've been watching a lot of [ __ ]

Annie>> were agitators outside chanting um hang Mike Pence. >> That's what I meant. Um but they were proven to be FBI undercover FBI and

MayaAntifa. I would love to see those sources, too. You realize there's support documentation Honestly. Uh okay, we have a super chat here. Uh

Brian AtlasBrian asked chair three about the land stolen from tribes by other Native American tribes. Yeah. Thoughts on that?

Brian AtlasAre you just nuked or what's going on? I really need like an energy drink. Uh okay. We can get get her an energy get her a little energy drink. Um Those purple ones are really good. Yeah, in

Brian AtlasThey're zero sugars. in a cup. in a cup. Um I think I'd rather have the drink. >> Yeah, but so I Do you think we should return the stolen land? Isn't that what reservations are? Can

Ravenyou can you like phrase phrase the question So about land stolen from tribes by other So Native Americans stealing other Native American tribes? stealing the tribes?

Brian Atlas>> No, stealing the stealing the land. I told you I need an energy drink. >> Yeah, so here here's something to here's something to uh meditate on. Before the appearance of

Brian Atlaswhite people in the Americas, these tribes these Native American tribes were warring with each other for uh centuries centuries before before the

Brian Atlasappearance of the Spanish, before the appearance of the British, before before the appearance of you know, any white culture, right? They've been They were warring with each other. They were fighting each other. They were enslaving

Brian Atlaseach other. Um you can see this in North America. You can see in Central America. You can see it in South America. You had the Incas. You had the Aztecs. You had the Mayans. Um

Brian Atlasyou had various Native American tribes in what is now the United States. They were fighting each other. They were conquering each other. And they they did it for conquest. They wanted their gain. They wanted their land. They wanted the

Brian Atlasresources. So the question is if this land this stolen land passed through the hands of two, three, four, five, six, seven different tribes and

Brian Atlasone conquered the next and one conquered the other, to which tribe would we return the stolen land to? To the final Native American tribe that had the land

Brian Atlasthat stole it 10 years prior from this uh tribe that had been conquered by you know the Apache do we who do we return it to?

RavenI think it's far too late for any of that. Like I feel I feel like it's far Like late Like it's far too late like so much has been done it's far too late for any of that. I don't think that that's

Ravennot I wasn't saying that that should happen. I just Do your parents own land? Yes. >> Like do they own the house? Yeah. >> It's not like a apartment it's like a house. Yeah. >> And they're from California too?

Brian AtlasYes. >> Like they own land in California. Um in couple places. Okay oh they own more than one property. Yeah. It's very privileged um >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> in other states? Yeah. Uh okay so how many different properties do they own? Two. Okay. So one in California one in another state.

Brian AtlasIf a Native American tribe approached your family and said hey your house is built Mhm. on our ancestral territory would you be willing to hand the deed over?

Brian AtlasIt's far too long. I mean it's not my house. Well okay your parents own it. Yeah. But say either one day you own a house but I mean

Brian AtlasI are you an only child? Yes. Okay so I mean you you're the heir of your parents property so that land would eventually come to you assuming they don't sell it before they pass away.

Brian AtlasUm So would you be fine with your with well would do you think your parents would give it to the Native American tribe that contacted them?

RavenWould you be okay with that? I don't know. I think it's again I think it's far too late for What why would it be late? Because it because it's too late it happened a while ago.

Brian Atlas>> going to talk about stolen land and you're going to say there's no one illegal on stolen land that we can't enact laws on stolen land if the land is in fact stolen

Ravenif somebody stole something from you should you give it back to them? If someone stole something from me should I give it back to them? >> Sorry did I mishear that? If somebody stole something from you

Brian Atlasshould they give it back to you? Yes. Okay. So if your parents own property or you owned property real estate on stolen Native American ancestral

Brian Atlastribal land should you give it back? >> Sure. And you would do that? Sure. The reality is there's no [ __ ] way you spend a million dollars on some property or

Brian Atlasthe the value of the land and the house is worth a million dollars there's no [ __ ] way that you would ever give it give the deed to a Native American tribe no [ __ ] way you do that. >> Okay but this is just you trying to

Ravencatch me in something instead of talking about my beliefs on anything. I mean we're still on the discussion no because we're still on the whole topic of me saying no one's illegal on stolen land.

RavenAt the end of the day my viewpoint is not going to change and I don't think that illegal immigrants should be deported. I think he's trying to understand like

MarianaOkay. Why? You yeah like you you say that but then you he asks this hypothetical question you say yes I would give it to him. So in a sense like I think he's just trying to understand

Marianalike your logic behind the fact that you say it's relevant now but then if he's like okay so if Native Americans are like can you give me back my land back you're saying oh that's too late it's

Marianatoo late to talk about that but you're making it a relevant excuse as to why people shouldn't be deported you're using the fact that it's stolen land as an excuse so that should that means it's relevant now. You're saying it's too

Marianalate to change then why is it relevant right now? It shouldn't it never should have happened in the first place. You guys are talking about the past. >> [laughter] >> There's been like more war and more

Marianavery detrimental ways of getting people kicked out of the country than right now. I would say I would go as far as to say as the everyone wants to talk about the world being really bad I think we

Marianahave evolved I think that we are I mean to put it frankly the fact that you have the ability and the freedom and the time to go out and protest for rights is already privileged that shows that we

Marianaare a lot better in the world because that would not be on somebody's mind 100 years ago when Genghis Khan was killing everybody and taking conquering land. And he he killed so much people that the

Marianatemperature of the world lowered so he conquered so much. You know what I'm [snorts] saying? Like that no one's talking about that everyone's talking about Genghis Khan being this great leader but the fact

Marianathat you're using stolen land as an excuse as to right now to this modern day and age is kind of ludicrous in my opinion. You know like why why use that as an excuse now but then go back and say well like

Marianait's in the past you know that means that means like people warlords like Genghis Khan he should be held just as accountable but he's seen as like a powerful person and no one takes into consideration like he literally

Ravenconquered a lot of the world. I I more so mean like it's happened so long ago but it never should have happened in the first place. I'm not saying it should have ever happened in

Lexi (NY)the first place. This isn't the only country that's had land taken stolen whatever you want to use. At the end of the day you don't have any proof that the Native Americans were the first ones

Mayahere. What are you talking about? >> It was conquered. Do you have the proof? >> [clears throat] >> Yeah it was Do you have the proof? It was con- it was absolutely conquered. There was absolutely I I don't have it on me but I'm sure I could find some factual evidence that Native Americans

Lexi (NY)But you don't know. Why are they called Native Americans if they were from somewhere else? >> were called. They First of all respectfully when

Lexi (NY)Christopher Columbus came to America was it called America? No but what Okay so they just decided to call America America so the natives of the land are Native Americans.

Lexi (NY)>> So yes you are proving my point anyone But how do you know they were the first ones on this specific land? >> weren't it's been proven it's been proven that black foundational black

Lexi (NY)Americans can go back they've gone back over 17 generations now. >> they were the ones that were here when we came here. But there were people there before them so what you're telling me Oh my god honestly bro. Okay. [laughter]

MayaSo do you think that uh should we just have open borders? Should anybody be able to come here? I think we should all live off the land and just basically cults just big cult groups

Raventhat choose their plot of land and they all live together That is that is the question answer the question. Do I think we should have borders? Some type of borders sure.

Lexi (NY)I guess. What's the point of having a border if people can come here illegally and have no repercussion for it? I mean but there's there's other places no what there's other places that have borders.

Lexi (NY)You're saying we should have borders which means some people are allowed to cross and some people aren't so you're saying that when people aren't allowed to do something we should just yell oh

Olivia[ __ ] it. Yell oh [ __ ] it. Sure [ __ ] it. So when you say some type of border like what would be the purpose of your border like what would you want from it ideally?

RinaIt's to keep people out right? To protect you. What's the point of having it then if everyone can just go in and out without protection? Okay then no borders.

Raven>> [laughter] >> Okay but I don't want to it's because I don't want to keep having this argument. I I'm We're we're just circling around the same topic over and over again. I'm getting bored I'm getting bored of this.

Brian AtlasShe's bored she wants to talk about small penis humiliation. She wants to talk about ball crushing and [ __ ] All right we have Rikinaki.

Brian AtlasBrian reminds here too that in the 1970s a black supremacist supremacist group excuse me literally stormed the capital with AK-47s they held part of the building and were eventually captured but ultimately many were released and

Brian Atlastheir guns were returned to them chair two assumed racism. True. That was also in 1970 and we are in 20 Wait wait wait I love this. Wait I love this. How long ago did we steal the land

Mayafrom Native Americans? I have no [ __ ] clue. It was it doesn't it doesn't matter though because it happened a long time ago right? It's the principle the fact of the matter is it's [ __ ] up. >> Wait can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? When did slavery happen? Oh brother I

Mayadon't know. It was a long time ago right? Was it the 1970s? WAS IT THE 1970S? >> [laughter] >> WASN'T IT 17 1776 around there?

Brian AtlasAround there? Was I wrong? I don't know. I have no clue. It was hundreds of years ago right? >> Yes. Yeah. I I have no [ __ ] idea. Yeah so it happened a long time ago so it

Mayadoesn't matter then is that your point? No that's not what I'm saying. >> You were saying because you okay he said >> It happened a long time ago so it does matter. Slavery does matter cuz But you're like oh my god 1970s that's why

Mayawhy are we talking about the 1970s? It's a frame so when that happened in 1970s and then it happened again in 2020 it's a that's what is that 50 years? I mean that's Uh okay [snorts] guys $10 display $99

Brian Atlasread $200 TTS. Speaking of TTS we have based Justin here. Thank you man appreciate it. >> Based Justin donated $200. >> Thank you dude. I'm happy to offer up a

SPEAKER_00therapeutic. I can certainly arrange for you both to get denaturalized and deported to >> [laughter] >> the land you think belongs to you. English is the official language of Uganda.

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Yeah I don't know. Ultimately, I think >> Can I go to Iceland? I would love to go to Iceland. Can I be a tourist in Yeah. Um Oh, really quick, I need to do a few shout-outs here. We have uh John

Brian AtlasStraight, thanks for the 25 on Venmo. Michael Michael uh Michael W, thank you for the 25 on Venmo. I think you sent it twice. Thank you for the double 25 on

Brian AtlasVenmo. Katrina Katrina D, thank you for the 10. And uh Troy, thank you for the 10. If I already didn't say it, Kristen, thank you for the 10 on Cash App. Kristen M, thank you. And Christian L, thank you

Brian Atlasfor the one. Appreciate it, guys. Okay. Uh let's get You know what? Let's Let's get into some dating stuff really quick. Um Before the show started, you guys were having girl talk a little bit, and I heard somebody say, I think it was

Brian Atlasyou, talking about an ex-husband, and you were pregnant, and you want your feet were hurting, and he didn't give you a foot rub. I was getting foot cramps, which is commonly a side effect of being pregnant, and he doesn't like

Brian Atlasfeet, so he wouldn't help me get the foot cramp to go away. Okay, what does the panel think? Do you think uh is it fair you have a disliking towards feet, he doesn't want to do it, or should he have manned manned up or

Rinasomething and just, you know, I mean, he could have paid. If he was He was the provider and the protector in in their relationship, right? So, I was saying to her earlier, he could have paid to go Yeah, I mean, if you don't like feet, I I guess, but

Mariana>> That's a creative solution. >> the time I got to some place that could do that, though, it probably would have gone away on its own. I thought it was wild because you mentioned your ex was a Marine Corps,

Marianaright? In the Marine Corps. And I was like, oh, but you wouldn't touch your wife's feet is wild to me. That I think is kind of nuts. It's kind of weird. But >> [laughter] >> you know consent?

MayaIf he doesn't want to touch her feet, he shouldn't have to. But that also being said, she is carrying his child. >> his child, you know. You know, but I think like consent. If he doesn't want to have to If he doesn't have to do it. >> feet, like maybe he has a super strong

Graceaversion to feet. >> I mean, that's totally fine. If he doesn't want to do it, then Okay. All right. >> I didn't like throwing up, either, but I didn't get a choice about that. >> Oh, you didn't like throwing up? >> No. Yeah, well That's kind of something that happens though when you're pregnant

Gracesometimes. >> But you kind of consent to it. Because you know if you get pregnant, that's going to entail some level of sickness. I feel like now, having had two children, I if I got pregnant now,

Graceknowing that, but yeah, that would probably happen. That was the first time I ever >> kids? I My daughter's almost four. I don't necessarily love the idea of three

Gracechildren by three different guys. Um Hey, I mean, you can always And you know, the last relationship really really hurt my trust, and I feel like I would need time to get to the point

Gracewhere but you know, if there was a magic button where I could like stop aging or what not. Okay. Uh Desert Jorge, chair two is the new poster child for why the 19th needs to be repealed.

AnnieI would love to see a flyer with my face on it. Needs to be repealed. I I will give up my voting rights for that. I'll give up my license.

Brian AtlasI mean, [laughter] like I sometimes I I sometimes do ponder if it is women who are ushering in policy that will be destructive to the nation,

MayaI don't know. It's just straight sexist, though. Just cuz I'm stupid doesn't mean all the other women are stupid. YOU [laughter] GUYS HAVE Don't Don't call yourself stupid. You may be slightly uneducated, but don't

Mayadon't say that about yourself. That's not kind. No, I'm just saying, though. Just cuz I'm I'm one I'm one person. That doesn't mean I I can't I guarantee that >> [laughter]

Maya>> Just cuz I'm stupid doesn't mean all the other women are stupid. I guarantee I'm okay with that. All right, [laughter] so I guarantee I just need If I have time to look up some [ __ ] I would >> [laughter]

Maya>> I can be so much smarter, I swear. So, you're uneducated and ignorant. >> Yes, and I could be I I thought this was a dating I thought this was a dating show podcast. You [laughter] should have watched a few episodes.

Maya>> [clears throat] >> If I knew we were going to talk about politics, I would have looked the [ __ ] All right. All right. Going around the table, what is the minimum yearly income to be your

Rinafuture husband? I feel like I'm still really young. 25 is young. I don't feel like you have to have everything figured out by then. You don't have to be making a certain amount of money in order to be capable of

Rinadating me kind of thing. Like my boyfriend certainly was not making that much. >> answers just to move things along. >> I think like 50 grand is >> Okay. What about you? 80,000. What about

Brian Atlasyou? 75k for wife. Future wife, okay. Yes. If it was a husband, how much would they have to make? Infinity. For it to be a man, yes. All right. What about you? Enough to buy a

Gracehouse. Okay. 60k. All right. What about you? 50, 60. Okay. Enough to pay mortgage and bills based on location. All right. What about you?

Lexi (NY)I would say ideally around what I make or a little bit more. I don't like to say that exact number,

Brian Atlasbut for my area, above average income. Uh where are you from again? New York. Oh, you You do you live in uh Manhattan? I'm at the border of the boroughs.

Lexi (NY)I'm in >> So, Brooklyn or Queens or I'm um in Westchester County. Oh, Westchester, okay. Got it. All right. So, a bit north, right? That's north of Manhattan? Slightly. Very slight.

Rachel Wilson>> Okay. Uh all right. Um well, Rachel, you're already married, and Andrew's doing quite well for himself. He does okay, but neither of us had >> Neither of us had [ __ ] when we got together. For the longest period of

Rinatime. >> Yeah, you're supposed to grow together. All right. How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date? I am 5'5, and

Rinamaybe like 5'8, you know, nothing 5'6, 6 ft. Really quick. Yes. Remember earlier >> [laughter] >> when you were like, I don't care about looks.

MayaWell, here's my If I were to ever date someone, it would have to be such a Like cuz I would like if a very specific person came along, I probably would date him. But the thing is, I think it's

Mayaeither going to take me till I'm a lot older to reach that point, or it's going to take like it's I'm not just going to settle down for anyone if I'm marrying them, like wanting to be with them for the rest of my life.

Maya>> So, I was right earlier when I said that you're a mid who's just like, but no one's good enough for me unless they're like a nine. Like personality-wise more than anything. I wouldn't say that. As long as he's 6 ft, and he's got a great

Brian Atlaspersonality, then yeah. I'm just confused because you said you were Just there, you were saying that uh well, if I don't cuz you you don't want to settle down. Like you you don't

Brian Atlaswant to get into a relationship, but the guy that you would get into a relationship has to be like really good. >> No, he doesn't have to be like super attractive, right? Wait. Wait. To To just have like a fun little

SPEAKER_03casual thing, can he be shorter than 6 ft? >> Absolutely. He That's his ideal. >> Wait, that's so backwards. So, like sort of like >> [laughter] >> So, okay. The guy you'll be in a relationship

SPEAKER_03>> But if I'm going to be in a relationship >> Yes, she'll [ __ ] She'll [ __ ] anybody. [laughter] But That's kind of what you said. All right. What about you? Height? I'm 5'3, and I don't care about

Grace>> Okay. What about you? 5'10. I prefer at least 6 ft, but like 6'2, 6'4 would be better. 6'2, 6'4. Damn. Would be better than 6 ft. >> It It would be better. >> [laughter]

Grace>> I mean, it's like a sliding scale, like Yeah. If somebody is closer to my height, they better be like amazing in all the other To like make up for it.

MarianaCan like a guy who's 6'5 just be a piece of [ __ ] No. Oh, okay. All right. No. Uh what about you? I'm 5 I'm 5'2, and 5'5, 5'6.

Brian Atlas5'10. Just at least 3 in taller. Cuz I think it's fun to look up. Well, there is a thing that where women will like as the guy becomes more attractive, or this even has to do with height, like if he's taller, women will

Brian Atlasignore red flags. >> Oh, yeah. Like if he's >> [clears throat] >> The more The more attractive he is, uh the more leeway you give with like red flags and stuff. So, what about you? Um I'm 5'8, and as long as they're like an inch or two taller, I

Lexi (NY)you know. Okay. What about you? Um I'm 5'3, and at least 5'4. All right. What about you? I'm 5 ft, and I would say

Rachel Wilson5'4, so I can wear heels. Okay. All right. I'm 5'6, and just my height would be good. Like my first little puppy love boyfriend was the same height as me, but he was really cute, so I

SPEAKER_07didn't care. Okay. Go on ahead. Wait, hold on. We have Chatty Wait, Chatty Annie. Oh, these are out of order. Wait. A little Hold on. Oh, no. Oh, no, his papers.

Brian Atlas>> Alexis Lexi. That's you, right? Okay, hold on. Oh, okay. Hold on. Wait, let's see. Disagreement. Raven, you disagree, yes, about the views on women.

Brian AtlasYou wrote that as a disagreement. What are the views on women that either I or Rachel or I guess Andrew Wilson have that you disagree with? >> [laughter] >> Because he's here. All of them. Yes.

Brian AtlasWell, okay. But I I need specificity. What specifically? Uh Wait, hold on. >> Wait, wait. I think women are great. You disagree with that?

Brian AtlasThe way you talk to >> You [ __ ] sexist misogynist. I think women are wonderful. I think women are great. You disagree with all my views on women? Wow, that's [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, [ __ ] women, honestly. [laughter] All right, there you go. But so okay,

Ravenwhat what are the views that you find objectionable? Um so uh you said Oh god, it's honestly a lot of Andrew Wilsons. Um >> Okay, we can dive into it. For sure.

RavenUm first of all, I don't like the way that he talks to women on >> uh so tone, okay. Tone for sure. >> Well, let's let's list a few before we dive into any of that. >> nicer than me. He might be.

Rachel Wilson>> Don't you think? You are you are so mean. No, I'm just kidding. Um No, you Andrew's really patient and he's usually like 95% of the time he's very calm, very chill.

Rachel Wilson>> Andrew's a teddy bear. >> So you've probably seen clips of the one or two times that after like 6 hours of some girl just being absolutely obnoxious and horrible, he finally got a little bit testy.

Raven>> No, no, I actually watched like a longer video. It was actually on the whatever podcast and it was What Do you know which one that I'm thinking of? >> It's it's the one where the girl's

Ravencrying. >> anything of Where the girl is crying because she had like the not like not boyfriend on a dog bed. Oh, you were upset about that? Okay, oh

Ravenwait, that makes sense cuz she does that, too. Okay. Yeah, well, no. So it wasn't even I think what made me upset about that is that she wasn't even like she wasn't

Raveneven really into findom or anything. It seemed like the guy is Yeah, but it seemed like that guy was the one who wanted all of that and she was just kind of >> already talked about that and like

Brian Atlaslook, you can probably find times where I or Rachel or Andrew have have said things with a certain tone or maybe we said something slightly mean, but your thing here was yes with you disagree

Brian Atlaswith the views on women. I want to dive into the specific views on women. So what aside from the the tone or the you know, we said something mean, what

Ravenare the actual views that you disagree with? I don't think that women were put on the planet to be a wife and a

Ravenbaby maker. Like I don't think that the only goal in life for a woman is to have children. Okay, look Did any of us ever say that was the only >> that it was the only goal, but it was a

Brian Atlasvery strong goal. >> Okay, so there's that, but before we dive in, let's have you list the other views. Um >> [gasps] >> just like

Brian Atlasa lot of different ones. Um Do you How about this? Do you think I am a misogynist? I think you're a bit of a misogynist. >> Okay, um well, first we need to define

Ravenour terms. What is a misogynist? Someone who is sexist towards women. Well, define misogyny. What is that?

RavenThe act of being sexist towards women. The act of having Yeah. Okay, so being sexist towards women. >> Yeah.

Brian AtlasI suppose that falls within the purview of misogyny, although I typically it's more like a I mean it would be hatred of women or pred- or prejudice towards women, which would be sexism.

Brian AtlasYes. [clears throat] Okay, um so in what ways then am I sexist towards women? I think I think it's >> [snorts] >> it's just some of the things you say. Like I can't even think of them right

Ravennow, but No, because I'll watch your videos. Like I've I've watched some of them and then I'm like, that's sexist. >> Okay, but you don't need to like give me

Brian Atlasa verbatim word-for-word quote. Give me the essence of what I say that you object to. Well, I also don't like the way you talk to women sometimes. >> Okay, so the tone, but But not even just

Brian Atlasthe tone, the words. >> Okay, but could I say could I say like in a really mean tone that I love somebody? Yes. Right. So okay, but that wouldn't be sexist to say I I love somebody in a

Brian Atlasmean way. That's kind of weird, but kind of contrary >> say something really rude in a really nice tone. Yeah, but so even granting that I sometimes I might be rude or my tone's all [ __ ] up or whatever.

Brian AtlasUh yeah, I don't even dispute it. I probably do that [ __ ] What is the content of what I'm saying that is sexist? Because you would agree with me simply by virtue of saying being rude to some

Brian AtlasLike you can be rude to a man as you could to a woman in the tone. That wouldn't be evidence of a sexism. Uh just because you're rude to a woman doesn't mean you're sexist. Women are rude to women all the time. It doesn't

Rinamean they're sexist. Can I ask you a question real quickly? Yeah. So you're upset and you think that he's sexist because of how he's spoken to women, right? I'm not upset.

RinaBut she thinks I'm sexist. Okay, but you don't you don't necessarily like, you know, that quality in him that he speaks to women, you think in a certain tone or aspect or whatever, right? You think it's sexist? From your own words. I'm I'm repeating

Rinayour own words. >> Yes, yeah. But then you literally do that for a living. Like that is what you do to make money. So like do you know that you're a hypocrite or like

Rachel WilsonThey want >> it okay for you, but like The women but the women that he talks to on the podcast willingly come here. >> They do willingly come on the podcast. >> of them know the nature of the adversary They know the adversarial nature of the

Ravenpodcast. >> Yeah, I I know that a lot of the people that come on the podcast probably do prior research, but there's some that I've watched that I'm like, I don't

Brian Atlasthink she knew because That might be true, but how would that I mean uh even if it is true that she herself is I guess a hypocrite and she I actually

Brian Atlasthink in some ways what she does is for sure worse than what I do because [laughter] like I I typically avoid insults. Sometimes I do and many times it's playful jabbing. It's it's more teasing.

Brian AtlasBut sometimes yes, I've I've said mean things. I'll I'll even admit to it. But um you will do you'll do small penis humiliation. It would never occur to me by the way. It would never occur to me

Brian Atlasas someone who's believes in genitalia positivity might be maybe a matter movement. >> [laughter] >> I actually am counter contrary to you. I don't think people >> we're doing the exact opposite.

Brian Atlas>> people should not be I'm doing advocacy. I'm an activist. People should Men Men and women should not be shamed for their genitalia. If a woman has an outie, she should not be shamed. If she has an innie, I mean women with innies

Brian Atlasdon't really get shamed for, but that's you know, it's kind of you know, it's mostly the the women with the the the you know, the wizard sleeves >> wizard sleeves, you know, they're they're getting they're [laughter]

Brian Atlasgetting shamed and and I defend them, but I don't You do small penis humiliation. I I'll go to I'll I'll go to bat for men with small penis. I will defend them. They could have a micro

Brian Atlaspenis. Men should not be shamed for their penis size and that's why I object to terms like big dick energy, small dick energy cuz I find it very offensive. For example, >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> I think when women throw out these terms big dick energy, small dick energy, you guys would take pause if men, you know, the locker room talk like Trump. >> [laughter] >> If I started saying any loose [ __ ]

Brian Atlasor cavernous vagina energy, you know, you guys women would take pause and be like, oh, that's kind of vulgar and kind of icky and gross and stuff. Or she's got small small titty energy, small titty energy. [laughter]

Brian AtlasLike small titty Like I I'll defend women with small titties, big titties, lopsided titties, [ __ ] saggy titties. I'll defend them all. You shouldn't [laughter] shame women. You shouldn't shame the women for their titties or

Brian Atlaswhatever. You shouldn't shame them for their labia whether it dangles or it's all over the [laughter] place. If it's just like a flapping in the air, you know, you should not shame them. >> [laughter] >> You should not shame a woman, okay? You shouldn't shame a woman. I don't know

Brian Atlaswhere I'm going with >> [laughter] >> But um Yeah, so but >> [laughter] >> but back I guess back to the central thing here is

Brian Atlaseven if you're a hypocrite, that wouldn't really be a defeater to even if I can point out that you also engage in this behavior, your criticism of me may or may not be valid. So what

Brian Atlasspecifically am I doing? What is the content of what I'm doing that is sexist towards women? What are my sexist positions?

RavenWell, would you Would you date a non-traditional woman? Um uh

Brian AtlasI think even if I say yes yes or no, that this wouldn't establish me as a sexist, but >> preference. >> Yeah, that would be a preference, but I What is the answer that would make you

Brian Atlasthink I'm more sexist and I'll answer it that way. >> [laughter] >> Uh no, I would never date a non-traditional woman. How does it make me sexist?

RavenI just think that your views on women based on your dating preferences, not just because you have preferences with dating, but just your

Ravenviews on women is that they should be traditional, that they should always be traditional. Now Raven, before the show we had you fill out a questionnaire. Yes. [laughter] And on this questionnaire, the first

Brian Atlasfive statements are as follows, and we ask you to circle if you agree with the statement. Men should pay on first dates. Men should provide, protect. Men should be chivalrous. Husbands should be willing to die protecting you, take the bullet.

Brian AtlasUm so are you a sexist then? Because you even you would hear, although you're a lesbian, so I'm a bit confused, but um I guess you if you were

Brian Atlasdating a man, you'd want him to do all these things. So, you're holding men to a traditional standard. Does that make you a sexist? It could. So, sexist sexism is

Brian Atlasfine when you do it or it's fine entirely? No, it's not fine entirely. But so I so I don't think if you're a traditional person and you have

Brian Atlasdesire a traditional dating dynamic, I don't think that's sexist. No, I don't think that's sexist. >> Or I mean, it depends if we're how

Ravenstrictly we're referring to sexism. I was more so saying that I've seen like videos of >> of men you talking about your preference No, talking about your preferences

Raven>> Which are what? Which are you want a traditional woman, which is completely fine. That's completely fine. >> though? No, for you to want a traditional woman, that's not sexist. >> So, but but but the question was, what are the

Brian Atlassexist statements I've made? So, if it's not sexist for me to desire traditional woman, what are the other sexist statements I've made? I don't have a list. Well, again, I'm not asking for verbatim, but you've

Brian Atlasyou've accused me of being slightly misogynistic, slightly sexist it seems, or even s- On a scale of zero to 10, how do you rate my misogyny {slash} sexism?

Brian AtlasLike a like a four or a five. >> Okay, so I feel like you need to give at least >> to do better. I need to step my [laughter] game up. I got to Rachel, I got to step my game up. What do you rate Rachel over here? >> [laughter]

Rachel Wilson>> What do you Look at Look at this [ __ ] She wrote a [ __ ] book, man. Oh, yeah. Hey. She wrote a book. Hey, the book opens by saying, "If feminism was a movement by women for

Rachel Wilsonwomen, then we deserve to know the truth about it." And that's what the book is about. So, it's not because I You hate women, Rachel. You just hate women. No. Does she rank higher on this sexism

Brian Atlasscale than me? Yes. What's her What's her rate? What do you rate her on a scale of zero to 10? Like like a eight. Wow. Why?

Rachel Wilson>> Okay, all right, Rachel. >> [laughter] >> All right. It's because I said I didn't want you to vote. >> [laughter] >> But I only said that because you guys don't know anything about what you're talking about, so. I will soon. It wasn't

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> I disagree with your women. It wasn't just because of women. >> Oh. Wait, really quick, uh we got uh we got a little something coming here. We got a little

SPEAKER_00Tim B on the score. Oh, hey, what's up, man? How's it going? Oh, wow. W Rachel Oh, [ __ ] Julie Brian W Oh my goodness. Well

Brian Atlashow long you've been watching? Um yo, Indie, you're a [ __ ] legend, sir. Guys, we need W's in the chat for Indie. Oh, what the We need W's in the chat for

Brian AtlasIndie. The guy's a legend, champagne pop. Uh yeah, man. Thank you so much for the big champagne pop. >> I was going to be sad if nobody did a champagne pop when I came back. Thank you, Indie. That's awesome of you.

Brian AtlasIndie's a Indie's a legend. I I think we saw you was it three four weeks ago with the uh that situation. Yo, I tried to convince that girl like I I there there's backstory. By the way, I you

Brian Atlasnever got back to me on the DMs. You never got back to me on what are you looking for? I don't have my cups. Oh, um I got some here, but um wait, hold on. Is everyone over 21? Yeah, everyone's I don't think. Yeah, yeah. Who wants

Brian Atlaschampagne? >> straight home after this. So so no >> I'll be driving too. No. I'll take a sip. >> Yes. Two? I can have a tiny sip. >> Just a four? Just a little. Five? Wait, actually I can't give it to you because

Brian Atlasyou didn't disclose your age. Sorry. No. [laughter] No champagne for her. No, you can't. Nope, I can't verify it. You You do look young, you know, you're I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You know what though? Get her an applesauce. She's She's

Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> I suck at free throws. Get her a little applesauce and a Capri Sun and some uh Lunchables or something. >> [laughter] >> Uh so wait, so uh yes? Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_14Five. I want a a tiny bit. I can have a tiny bit. >> Look, there's a pouch. It's a applesauce. >> [laughter] >> Those are literally the best. No way. Oh, you're actually going to eat it? I'm

Ravenactually I really [ __ ] yeah. We actually might have some I don't know. Capri Sun? I'm not drinking a juice. It's not juice. We have a Do you want a Gatorade? Do you want a Gatorade?

SPEAKER_03No. Okay. I don't know. You seem a little Bro shut >> [laughter] >> I'm trying to figure out how He has to verify your age. He can't give you

Anniealcohol. How does um How does that show your You have your ID? I actually don't have it on me. How does that show your age so protect you?

RinaI think it's because it's like if she's younger or if they don't know her age kind of thing, they'll be like less attracted cuz maybe there's pedophiles and stuff, you know?

RavenI can have a For me it's a privacy thing cuz I there's more things that I want to Rachel, while I'm struggling with things I want to do than just >> Can Do you want to take over the convo for

Rachel Wilsonjust a moment, Rachel? So, since I'm an eight on the misogyny scale, what what puts me at an eight?

RavenI mean, I was just throwing out a number, really. I thought we were just like joking around, but I mean I mean, I Wait, if we're joking around, why was he

Ravenfour and her eight? I feel I feel like I feel like he does have some misogyny, but I feel like he's a little bit more subtle with it. Like

Ravenlike like like I can sense it, but I can't really point out specific things at the moment.

Rachel WilsonI haven't heard anything. Okay. So, was there something I said here or was it like other stuff you've seen or maybe you haven't seen any of my other stuff. I haven't actually watched a lot of your other stuff.

Raven>> Okay. So so what I don't want to I can't like pull it out of you, you know. Um I mean

RavenI feel like I feel like with the nature of who you're married to, I feel like your viewpoints have to kind of align at least Well,

Rachel Wilsonyou know, people say that a lot, and the funny thing is Hello. >> [laughter] >> I'm much like if you if you think Andrew's views are like misogynistic,

Rachel Wilsonmine are probably worse. Now, I don't I don't consider myself misogynistic whatsoever because misogyny means you hate women like without good reason. You just broadly as a category

Rachel Wilsonuh hate or dislike women. I do not hate or dislike women at all. Plenty of women in my life that I love. I have four daughters. But I hate what feminism has done to women. I believe you I believe you said

Rachel WilsonThat's what I take issue I believe you said that women were equal at some point. Um I think they have equal value in the

Rachel Wilsoneyes of God, but I don't think that they are equal on a lot of other >> [laughter] >> Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. in a lot of other categories. So, I don't think I think that hierarchy is the natural order of

Rachel Wilsonthings. I think that there's an intentional design for this world and for human beings, and that patriarchy is the natural design. That's why men are bigger, stronger, have the monopoly on

Rachel Wilsonforce, and should generally rule things. Women are designed Now, you said we shouldn't just be baby machines. I've been called a baby factory on this show.

Rachel WilsonI've been called a baby machine. I've been called just all you do is pop out babies. So, if anything, I feel like I'm the one who's on the receiving end of the misogyny or or the

Rachel Wilson>> [laughter] >> of the discrimination. I think a lot of other women, if anything, have looked at me and and said really disparaging things about me because [clears throat] I have five kids as though I haven't done anything else.

RavenYou're I and you're being disrupted. >> my men should be in charge of >> [laughter] >> Yeah, THIS IS BRIAN, THIS IS SEXIST RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE interrupting her.

Rachel WilsonOh. [laughter] Do you want me to open it? He loosened it for you. So, yeah, I just >> It's literally [ __ ] stuck. I swear to God. Literally, do you want me to try to do it? >> Wait. Wait. Wait.

Rachel Wilson>> want me to do it? [laughter] I swear I have freakish grip strength from many years of powerlifting. I'm kind of memeing a little bit, but >> So, yeah, it's it's not that I hate it's not that I hate women or I'm

Rachel Wilsonmisogynistic, but I don't think there's anything wrong with the way that everything was done for all of human history until 100 years ago. I think the last 50 years is the weird thing and everything else that came before it was

Rachel Wilsonthe normal thing. And I think that it's very backwards to assert that oh, the last 50 years is actually how everything should be and whenever I ask people why they don't know. So >> [laughter] >> Bro. Oh, didn't even [ __ ] pop. What

Rachel Wilsonthe hell? I did get it off. That was so anti-climactic.

Brian AtlasThat was really Your face is all red. It was Hey, I don't know what was up with that [ __ ] champagne bottle. Let me It was greased twice. It was greased. It's greased. [laughter] Sorry. All

Marianaright. Uh you guys wanted champagne, correct? Sorry, continue on. I Continue on. My apologies. I will say that you've really opened my mind to a lot of things

Marianain a very logical way cuz I feel like I feel like social media does perpetrate people's minds, especially like younger kids and I mean we all know that the algorithm is fed to your liking. It is

Marianaliterally made so that you believe the world is exactly how you think it is. And the whole point of social media is to keep you on, to keep you distracted, to keep to for them to make money. And

Brian Atlasthey're going to do it in the way that makes sense. And when you're like always being fed with yes, you're right, you're going to want to be on the app more. You're going Sorry, really quick. We got to do the

Brian AtlasWe got We got to do the cheers. Cheers to Indy. Cheers to Indy. Salut. Salut. >> [laughter] >> Jeez, it's from the bottle. It's crazy work.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you, Indy. You're a [ __ ] legend. W's in the chat for Indy. I still owe you one, Indy. You got to message me back on Instagram. I You disappeared there. Okay, um Why am I misogynist? Can we just get an

Ravenanswer, sir? Well, she is more misogynist than you. Yes, sir. >> [laughter] >> Sir. Okay, ma'am. Let me think. He He liked it. I saw that face. You

Ravenlike that? Oh, yeah. Loved it. >> [laughter]

Maya>> Oh. Have they given an answer yet? Like to anything? >> No, we're still waiting. No, not really. But they haven't had any proof of what they're saying being true. They're just You're both spewing that. Well, it's just that there's a majority literally

Rachel Wilsonbrought up a stat and you're like it's from 2007. >> from 25 years ago. Doesn't mean it's that much less true. It's 21 years ago. But why would it have changed? >> that is 20 years

Maya>> [laughter] >> But I'll look up some more current stats. In relation to the misogynist thing, the burden of proof is on her. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Like if you accuse somebody of something, the burden of proof is on you to establish. I've watched a lot of your stuff and I

Mayadisagree with what you say, but I do think you're mostly respectful to women in the times I've seen them cry I've The times I've seen them cry on the podcast, I feel like it's been when they're like low-key being a little [ __ ] Like you're Like like you're You've never

Mayasaid anything that's like directly personally attacked someone. Like you've never been like you're a [ __ ] fat [ __ ] or something. You've never said [laughter] that. Yeah, no. I I almost always like I almost never go to

Brian Atlaspersonal insults. There Have I pro Like there's like probably thousands of hours of this podcast. We've done nearly 300 episodes. 2,000 women been on the show. Um

Rachel WilsonI may maybe one or two times I've insulted somebody. A couple times, maybe. It seems to me that when when ladies have this objection and believe me, I get it all the time. Andrew gets

Rachel Wilsonit all the time. And when we ask specifically what they usually either say something we never said that or they'll take something someone else said and then think that we said it. Or it's more just I feel like you're

Rachel Wilsontrying to make women look bad. And what I always ask them about that is how is it that I am able to come on here and not make myself look bad? This gal and this gal Look, plenty of women have been

Rachel Wilsonable to come on the podcast and not make themselves look bad. How is it my fault, Andrew's fault, or Brian's fault if they make themselves look bad?

RavenI think I think the reason that I get a misogynistic vibe from Brian would probably just be when

Ravenhe gets like an attitude with women, but I think it's because that there's mostly women on the podcast all the time. >> Yeah. So when he is hitting at women

Rachel Wilson>> get an attitude with a woman who didn't have one with him first? Yes. Okay. I I haven't actually cuz Andrew and Brian are both usually really good at matching energy and they're both

Rachel Wilsonusually really, really patient. And it'll take hours of someone being difficult, not answering questions, going off into space, asking to repeat the Just being

Rachel Wilsondifficult or bratty or having a nasty attitude before they usually finally just start to lose their temper a little bit and just you know, hand it to them a little bit. Same with I'm probably worse

Brian Atlaswith that. But I'm I'm even willing to grant that there's there's been moments where I can be >> [cough and clears throat] >> sharp with somebody or I can be a bit short or whatever, but I don't think

Brian Atlasthat this would be a This might mean I'm a jerk sometimes. I don't know if it would establish a strict sense of misogyny or sexism. No, not a strict sense. I think it's

Brian Atlasjust the vibe I got. It's the vibes. Yeah. Like I Like I said, I could Like I said. Just I guess to move this on here pretty quick, but

Rachel Wilsonis there anything you can point to that's concrete as to my misogyny? Not like a specific thing right now. Or even me. Um if I Sorry. >> With Andrew, when people say this about

Rachel Wilsonhim, I'm like did you Have you watched the debates he does against men? Cuz he's a way tougher on men. And he debates [clears throat] way more men. People have this weird idea that he only You only debate underage girls. He's

Rachel Wilsonnever debated anyone underage. He's always only debated women who said they wanted to debate. But he debates a lot more men and men with much more education, much higher status than him,

Lexi (NY)and he's arguably way meaner to them. Alexis, yeah? Lexi? Um I was going to say I understand to an extent why

Lexi (NY)a woman could view Brian as being slightly misogynistic due to the fact that for this particular podcast, it is yes,

Lexi (NY)a majority of women. So when you have a man coming off as being combative [clears throat] with a woman,

Lexi (NY)I can understand why some people may be so quick to view very superficial superficial clips as being misogynistic, but being

Oliviacombative doesn't necessarily make you misogynistic. Yeah. How about the way Andrew stuck up for his wife? Like that one [clears throat] time. I don't remember her name. Oh, yeah. She had black hair. Yeah, he finally sticks up

Rachel Wilsonfor me and then that's misogynistic. And then that's misogynistic and then the whole internet attacks him for that. It's like pick one. Do you want him to be good to his wife or do you want him to just be this It's They don't know.

Rachel WilsonWas that the time on the phone? Yeah, when I called in and told her all the things she got wrong and was saying that weren't true. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Uh Olivia, you said you had one or two

Brian Atlasdisagreements. What are those? I think I disagree with everybody on this one. >> No, no, no. But do you have any disagreements with the show {slash} hosts? You wrote only one or two. Yeah, um What are those? I think the way

Oliviathat people are rated and it might also be because I don't understand the standard and objective that we're going for. And the way that I see it

Oliviais some people are going to be more into someone like Megan Fox. Some people are going to be more into someone like Megan Sweeney Megan Sweeney Sydney Sweeney, right? They just like a blonde big boobs

Oliviaor someone that's not like that. So what is the measurement that everyone is kind of attaining to when it comes to personal preference or is there like this unspoken thing where it's like no,

Oliviano, no. Well, if they have this, this, this, and this, then they have to be like that. Now, I know that obvious lines of like don't be morbidly obese, don't be probably a feminist, don't have really bad plastic surgery.

Rachel Wilson>> You mean the one through 10 question? Do you get what I'm asking? Yeah. And a lot of people get confused on this for some reason. And the whole point of the question is just to see like do you have a somewhat accurate assessment of your

Rachel Wilsonown looks or are you like delusionally off the charts with it? So even if you have different tastes, you know, maybe I prefer curvier blondes and maybe that guy likes really skinny dark-haired

Rachel Wilsongirls or something like that. It's still going to be in a range. It's still going to be like Am I Am I more somewhere in the average range? Am I more somewhere in the above or the below average range? And what you find this

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