Feminist ACCUSES Him Of MlSOGYNY?! RAGE QUIT?! She Went FERAL?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #244

Date: 2025-05-26

Duration: 9h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJasmine (Jazz)>

LLauren Selby >

SSavannah Stone >

JJulie (SPC DT244)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amy Jeffers(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren Selby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Julie (SPC DT244)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Nasica(guest)

SPEAKER_11Carla Leto(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jasmine (Jazz)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Savannah Stone(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyJazz: burning misogynistic man could be 'net positive' for society

Key MomentAndrew Wilson joins as call-in guest

Key MomentAndrew donates $3,000 for Savannah Stone honeymoon

ControversyJazz accuses Brian and Andrew of misogyny

OtherAndrew Wilson departs the show

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Jazz (feminist), Savannah Stone (married, anti-feminism), Carla Leto (LMFT).

Woman Sets Man on Fire

News article: woman set boyfriend on fire after misogynistic comment.

Feminism/Gender Liberation

Jazz defends feminist views. Accused burning man of being "net positive."

Andrew Wilson Joins

Call-in. Debates Jazz on marriage, commitment, feminism. Donates $3K for Savannah.

Jazz Accuses Misogyny

Directly accuses Brian and Andrew of being misogynistic.

Body Count Discussion

Final topic.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonguess. Well, Andrew is part of the convo, so we'll uh go ahead. Sorry, Andrew. Go ahead. Yeah. So we would say that sex was a biological category and gender would be a socially constructed category. Okay. Gender is trying Yeah.

Andrew WilsonSo gender is trying to elude to some type. Now I would disagree with the descriptive of what you consider gender to be. That's true. Um but no, we would we would be able to separate these two

Jasmine (Jazz)concepts with ease. Okay. Yeah, I agree as well that gender is a social construct. But you think that the way it exists, maybe not today, but a couple years ago or um decades ago, uh that

Jasmine (Jazz)male men have a role in society and women have a role in society based off of the role. Yeah. Well, by necessity. So, can can men reproduce?

Andrew WilsonNo. No. So, which sex do we have to count on to reproduce? Sure. But why are you harping on reproduction so much? because that you're you claim that there's no gender roles, right? That

Andrew Wilsonthese are uh that it's a blank slate that people can do whatever they want. But the truth is is that we have to have a society and that's going to require reproduction, right? Do you not think that there would be some sort of balance when it comes to Before you ask me a

Andrew Wilsonquestion, can you do me the service of answering mine? Oh, sorry. Repeat your question. Yeah. So, is it the case that women are the only ones who can

Andrew Wilsonreproduce? Yes. Okay. So, if that's the case, then help me out with this. If we want to have a society, we need women to reproduce, right?

Andrew WilsonYes. So, if we need women to reproduce, why wouldn't we tailor society in such a way which was conducive to female reproduction and men who can't

Andrew Wilsonreproduce, not reproducing, but providing the services in which their body archetype is designed for. Why wouldn't we do that? Well, do you think every woman should reproduce? And

Andrew Wilsonhang on. Answer my question first. Well, I'm getting there, though. You're asking why. You're not getting You don't answer a question by asking one. You answer a question by answering it, and then I'll answer yours. So, start with this. Why

Andrew Wilsonis it that you don't want to tailor society towards females reproducing since they're the only ones who can and men towards doing the hard labor jobs

Andrew Wilsonand the dangerous jobs which basically only they can do as well? Why would you not want society conditioned that way? Because I think it's extremely limiting to the human experience. I think women

Andrew Wilsonare more than just birthgivers. Okay. And can women have an experience if they're not [ __ ] born?

Jasmine (Jazz)No. Okay. Now, I'm willing to Okay. Listen to your uh line of inquiry. Go ahead. Do you think every woman should reproduce? Do you think that if the

Andrew Wilsonroles weren't the way that they are or the way that you want them to be where you know you need a woman? So again, so when you ask a monolithic question, the answer to your question is no. I wouldn't say every woman on planet Earth

Andrew Wilsonneeds to reproduce, but that's kind of beside the point. The truth is is that we still need to have reproduction in order to have a society. So even if it's the case that like women without uteruses can't reproduce or women who

Andrew Wilsoncan't menrate can't reproduce or women who can't have eggs can't reproduce or even some women just are so untailored towards motherhood they can't. I would still think that you would want the social conditions for reproduction to be

Jasmine (Jazz)the thing you focused on because otherwise you don't have human beings. Yes. So, do you think that reproduction wouldn't occur anymore if the roles weren't as they are now? As a matter of

Andrew Wilsonfact, I don't. And here's my proof. What's the birth rate in every single western country and most of the world? Is it above or below reproduction rates?

Andrew WilsonThe birth. So, you need to have you mommy and daddy need to have two babies in order to replace mommy and daddy, right? Are mommy and daddy having two babies to

Andrew Wilsonreplace mommy and daddy right now? No, they're not. Well, that's really weird. It's almost like when we apply your insane ideology

Andrew Wilsonof non-specific gender roles and moving the social conditioning to move women into the marketplace workforce where they're [ __ ] miserable. It's not conducive to reproduction. Now under my

Andrew Wilsonworldview which is the right worldview I would tailor society towards females and reproduction which would include staunch gender roles and then we would actually have a society. Would you and that

Andrew Wilsonexcludes men pretending to be women? Your society hang on hang on your society is being replaced literally replaced by immigrants because our

Jasmine (Jazz)societies can't reproduce themselves. Um, would you not suggest that maybe women should just have more resources to help them resources? You wait, you want

Andrew Wilsonyou want women to have more resources to help with childbearing. Here's the biggest resource I want to give to women that'll help them the most with child care.

Andrew WilsonTime, the ultimate resource that every rich man will tell you is the one thing that they can never get back. It's the one thing that you spend and never comes back to you. Yeah, I would give them

Andrew Wilsontime. And you know how you give women lots and lots of time? You try to move the social condition so that they can stay [ __ ] home with their kids. And then what do they have? The most amount

Andrew Wilsonof abundance of time. The one irreplaceable thing. So if you want to give women resources and stuff, right? I don't think stuff is going to do it. I think

Lauren Selbythat time is what does it. If you're going to spend most of your day away from your child, how is that conducive to reproduction? How does that help us reproduce? Exactly. The government did that to keep us

Amy Jeffersseparated and segregated to to get more tax money. The feminist movement did to indoctrinate our children. Actually, the feminist movement did. Okay, fine. Whatever. It did. It really did. The

SPEAKER_05original. It did. And that's why we're here now. $200. You are gorgeous, girl. I think you are gorgeous. No, wait. One. I'm

Jasmine (Jazz)so four, five, six, seven. Thank you. Oh, I thought you were eight. I'm so sorry. Um, you were gorgeous, too. Did you have a response to Andrew or Yeah.

Jasmine (Jazz)Again, I just think it's a really um limiting stance. Me personally, I don't think I would find my ultimate purpose and value in having children. I really

Andrew Wilsonwant a career myself. You wouldn't have to like don't you understand that through the illusion of you thinking that you're promoting choice choice you're promoting prison ideology. You're

Andrew Wilsonthe very idea that you have is because you would not be happy being a mommy. You want to go in the workforce or some [ __ ] like that and go work for a boss in a cubicle and complain about how cold it is the HR lady because that's your

Andrew Wilsondream. The assumption there is that all of society should be tailored towards this thing that you want. You can still do that [ __ ] but why wouldn't you try to move society towards the idea of

Andrew Wilsonreproduction and the crossgenerational or nuclear family, the backbone of all societies, the family unit? Why would you not want to move society towards that? Even if you want to go have your

Jasmine (Jazz)cushy little air conditioned job and not reproduce. I hate that women have to choose between raising a child and having a successful They don't. Yeah, exactly. But here's here's the

Andrew Wilsonthing, right? You're trying that's but what you're saying right there is that you would prefer to limit. You would prefer to create limits. I hate that they have to choose, right? Guess what? They didn't always have to choose. That

Andrew Wilsonwasn't always the case. Yeah. They didn't have a choice before. It was just Why is here? Why? Like why is it such a bad thing to tailor society towards the idea that society can reproduce itself even if it limits choice? But

Jasmine (Jazz)reproduction limit choice for everything. It's a good idea to limit choice. Reproduction isn't going to stop happening. There are still plenty of women who want to bear many children, more than one, more than two. And I

Andrew Wilsonwould like to uh read for you something here. I would like to read for you the birth rate in South

Andrew WilsonKorea. The birth rate in South Korea is 0.78 births per woman. 0.78. Not one. It's not one child per

Andrew Wilsonwoman on average. It's less than one child per woman on average. Now, you can watch this on a flowchart from 1960 to 2000 completely bottom out into next to

Andrew Wilsonnothing. South Korea isn't going to be there in 200 years or even 100 years. If they continue on track, it's going to go

Andrew Wilsonthey're estimating it goes as low as 38. Right. That is civilization ending. Do they happen to have a For what? So that you can make a [ __ ] sandwich for a boss somewhere. Like what is that? Do

Andrew Wilsonyou So let me ask you this. I'll just ask you. I've asked many feminists this. I already know the answer, but I'll ask you anyway. If it were the case that we limited women's rights in some capacity,

Andrew Wilsonbut ended up with a thriving reproductive society, or the alternative is that society just ceased to exist because it could not reproduce itself, but women had no rights limited. Would

Andrew Wilsonyou select for the society being wiped out or for rights being somewhat limited for women? I just don't think that's what's happening. I do have a question. Answer the question. Answer the question.

Andrew WilsonI mean, it's like it's a question that wouldn't realistically happen. I have a question about your previous to test your logic. I know it's not I have a question about your previous statistics.

Andrew WilsonIf I asked you if a meteorite struck right next door and started a big fire, would you evacuate the building? You say yes. It's not really going to happen, right? But the point is to test what you

Andrew Wilsonwould do. So, I'm going to give it to you again, the hypothetical again. If it were the case that we limited women's rights to some degree but saw an explosion in reproduction or we didn't limit women's rights to some degree and

Andrew Wilsonsociety ceased to exist in 50 years or 60 years which one would you select for? Which one would you prefer? I don't think um answer the question. I

Jasmine (Jazz)am answering the question. All right. I don't think what you're saying like limiting women's rights would or taking away their rights like

Andrew Wilsonsaying that they should just be homemakers. Additional is if if it were the case that so if it were the case that limiting women's rights slightly and men's even you limit both their

Andrew Wilsonrights slightly right led to a more reproductive and happy society or you limited their rights in some capacity would you prefer and but that led to society ceasing to exist in 50 years

Andrew Wilsonwhich would you select for I'm not asking whether you think that that would happen or not so which one would you select for I would go with the first, but I also don't think that that

Jasmine (Jazz)would be the outcome. Tell us what that is. Um, if you're it's just like extreme absolutes that wouldn't happen. So, I really can't make a decision. You can't

Andrew Wilsonyou don't know. You can't decide on whether or not the human species ceasing to exist in your society ceasing to exist would be preferable over slightly limiting some of your rights.

Andrew WilsonYou don't know the answer to that question and you wonder why it is that so because I don't think those are necessarily the exact outcomes that would happen. Do you understand why so many more people gravitate towards my ideology than they do feminism? Because

Andrew Wilsonwhen you ask a person this question, it's such an easy answer. But feminists can't actually answer it because they know they know that the truth is is that rather than be limited one iota, you would rather see society not [ __ ]

Jasmine (Jazz)exist anymore. But if roles were reversed, if men were limited to just the house and they couldn't have passions and success, you would feel limited to just the house. I didn't say that. I said if you had some of your

Andrew Wilsonrights slightly limited. We have our rights slightly limited right now. I have limited rights on free speech. I can be drafted. Brian can be drafted. The men all watching can be drafted. We have all sorts of limits on our rights

Andrew Wilsonand all sorts of duties associated with us. So tell me since Yeah. And it would be preferable for me if there was a slight limit on men's rights, but it led to a reproductive society. I would definitely prefer that. So like which

Jasmine (Jazz)one for you? Again, I think these are absolutes that just wouldn't happen. Like Yeah, I know. But if they did happen, which one would you select for? Um I would want Okay. If it if those were the absolutes that I

Jasmine (Jazz)have to choose from, I would want um society to continue to exist. So limiting women's rights. But I do not believe that restricting their rights

Jasmine (Jazz)and um would end would would stop reproduction completely. I think we wouldn't have an issue. And I know you give that statistic in North Korea. But I do have a question is if they have a

Andrew Wilsonlimit to how many children that they can have. Nope. There's no limit. Nope. It's not China. And China got rid of the one child policy as well. There's no limit. Okay. Well, I was just wondering because I was trying to conceptualize that.

Andrew WilsonSo here, let me give you an easy thing that you could do to tailor this that would make a massive rebound for reproduction. Let's see if you would actually go for it. Now that you've agreed you would rather see society

Andrew Wilsonthrive. If it was the case that we promoted that women did not go to college, right, but used those childbearing years, which is their 20s,

Andrew Wilsonin order to have a family and reproduce instead, uh we would see an explosion in reproduction in the United States. And I know this because the correlation between women going to higher education

Andrew Wilsonand the birth rate dropping, you can literally draw a line parallel to each other because they defer uh their childbearing years until they're in their 30s. That's why they have so uh so

Andrew Wilsonmany less children, right? So would you be against a campaign which which said to women, hey, you can still go to college, but you should do it later in

Andrew Wilsonlife after your 20s, after your reproductive years, and instead you should use those reproductive years to try to to settle down with a family. Would you be against a campaign like

Jasmine (Jazz)that? If we're in a reproductive crisis, maybe. But again, I don't think every woman's um dream or um value is in the

Jasmine (Jazz)fact that they can bear a child. And that's just a personal opinion and I I don't Well, okay. Yeah, I know you don't agree. In fact, let's just dive down that road. What other value? What do you think is more valuable a woman can do? I

Andrew Wilsonmean, we're humans. We're like the most um Yeah, I know you're humans, but what is the more valuable thing that that a woman can do rather than give us children? Well, I mean just in a broader sense, our existence, I don't think we

Andrew Wilsoncan. Your existence is more valuable than giving more. Well, I don't want to limit it to just reproducing. We're humans with experiences and women's only value is not reproduction. Name a single

Andrew Wilsonthing that's more valuable a woman can bring than reproduction. What What is a more valuable thing a woman can do than reproduce? What? Uh I'd say take care of their community. I don't necessarily think that their

Jasmine (Jazz)only value. Well, is there a community if the women aren't reproducing? I don't think all men are I mean, all women are going to stop reproducing at one time. This is just like an outlandish absolute that we're already stopping reproduction. We have a crisis. I just

Andrew Wilsonshowed it to you. It's not just there. Do you want to see what it is in the United States? It's it's dropping like a rock here, too. They are not reproducing. That's one. And two, if it

Andrew Wilsonis the case that you can that taking care of the community is more valuable than child birth, then why wouldn't you advocate that no women gave child birth to children and instead just took care of their community? They're probably not

Andrew Wilsonreproducing anymore because men think that their only value is in giving birth, which is just not true. Oh, gee, that makes a lot of sense. Oh, hey, you have this really, really valuable thing

Andrew Wilsonthat you can do and neither can any male on planet Earth. Wow, that's amazing. How dare you say that that's the most valuable thing that I can do even though I agree with

Andrew Wilsonyou. You think that that makes sense? Like who here all you think women are that is more valuable than female reproduction from a female? What is more

Jasmine (Jazz)valuable than that? Any takers? Nothing. Nothing. Wow. I I can think of some things, but I can't I'm not denoting its value. I'm not saying like

Jasmine (Jazz)it's a beautiful thing and for the people who want to participate in that that is great for them. Everyone says it's like that's their meaning in life when they have children and like the love is just unconditional and all of

Jasmine (Jazz)these things but I think it's just again limiting to the human experience and if men collectively only view women as something to I had to mute reproduce. There's something I've been wanting to

Andrew Wilsonask you since I've been listening to you tonight and I'm going to give you the floor right for this because I want to hear it in the worst way. Let's pretend that you're playing a video game where

Andrew Wilsonyou have to organize society. Okay? And you note that one people group in the video game are twice as strong as the other, right? And they don't have as

Andrew Wilsonmuch trouble with hormone regulation. the other sex of the video game or the other people group in the video game. They happen to be the ones that can have the babies and they're a weaker sex,

Andrew Wilsonright? And they have a little bit more trouble with hormone regulation. Now, you want to see that society thrive. How would you organize it as the video game player? It's sim

Jasmine (Jazz)world. Those are your parameters. How would you organize this thriving society? I think we're way more complex than a Sims game where you just want to create Yeah, I know. But inside

Jasmine (Jazz)of the Sims game, how would you organize the society? Similar to how you suggest we should do it in our society right now. Isn't that amazing for a video game where where they're not humans and they're not

Andrew Wilsoncomplex and they don't have aspirations outside of reproduction? Isn't it amazing that when you ask a feminist this question, they want to organize society exactly how I want to in order to beat the game? Those are the parameters. You've given us the craziest

Andrew Wilsonparameters. Like these are the craziest parameters that you have a stronger sex that's twice as strong as the other and one sex can reproduce. You mean all of human experience? But that doesn't mean that's all we're meant for. Just because we we're the only ones that can do it

Andrew Wilsondoesn't mean that's our monolithically saying we're all only meant for X, right? Most women are meant for reproduction. Yes, you all have

Andrew Wilsonreproductive organs so that you can reproduce. Men also, guess what? They're designed for reproduction. The reason their dicks get hard and they want to put them inside a woman's vagina is

Andrew Wilsonbecause they're biologically engineered to [ __ ] reproduce. That's why. And so the reason they look at you and they're like, "Wow, she's got big old tits and nice little voluumptuous hips or

Andrew Wilsonwhatever it is that they say. It's because, right, they're looking at you as a vessel for a child from a biological perspective. That's how all of [ __ ] humanity is organized and how all of humanity has always organized.

Andrew WilsonNow, I would like you as the video game player to show me your new humanity and how it's organized. I can't [ __ ] wait.

Jasmine (Jazz)Have you heard about them um reproducing or making children from potentially from the bone marrow of

Andrew Wilsonwomen and their egg? Great. You know what? I wish to God that the test tube babies could actually happen absent female eggs. You know why? Because the

Andrew Wilsonone power that women do have in society is the power over reproduction. And I would love to see what happened if men then had the power over reproduction. I think that your ideas of being an equal

Andrew Wilsoncitizen and things like that with men would completely deteriorate to non-existence if men had the power over their own reproduction. Imagine a man could just go and make the type of baby

Andrew Wilsonthat he wanted absent ever having to have a long-term relationship with a woman. Wouldn't they prioritize that? And what do you think happens to the rights of women then?

Andrew WilsonI think the case is that you still need the the female egg, but in a world you're saying and how many female eggs can you get? You can get a lot of them. Hey, if you'll sell your [ __ ] on

Andrew WilsonOnly Fans, I'm pretty sure you'll sell your eggs for a few thousand bucks.

Jasmine (Jazz)Anyway, I mean, my take is just that I think it's extremely limiting to assume women's roles in society, even if it again, we're not in a reproductive crisis. Like, this is like extremes that we're discussing. I'll tell you what,

Andrew Wilsonshow me then the society that you would organize and how it would thrive absent those narrow gender roles where you have one sex which is twice as strong as the other and can't reproduce, the other is

Andrew Wilsonhalf as strong and can reproduce. How the [ __ ] would you organize society better?

Andrew WilsonHow? Yeah. nothing crickets because can't be done because the only logical thing would be to take the oh you're twice as strong as this sex let's put you in all the strength roles and this

Andrew Wilsonsex which is much weaker than you and can reproduce we should probably put them in the nurturing roles you know this it's intuitive everybody knows it just by looking at it but right now you have the opportunity of a lifetime you

Andrew Wilsoncan make me look so [ __ ] stupid all you'd have to do is point out how you would organize society absent that Go ahead. I just think we're way beyond the

Jasmine (Jazz)necessity to have a structure that consists of what you're suggesting. How are we beyond that? Do you think that women hatch and start logging or what do you think if that's their passion? Sure. I don't see the I don't see the reason

Andrew Wilsonin limiting their existence to just reproducing. You're not they're not limited right now. And they don't do any of those [ __ ] jobs. They don't log. They're not linemen. They're not inside of the electrical fields. They're not inside of the trades. They don't do any

Andrew Wilsonof that [ __ ] They get degrees in nursing and in psychology and they work in [ __ ] office jobs and they work as servers and they do the same top 10 jobs that they've done for the last 100

Andrew Wilsonyears. The same [ __ ] that Tell me how they're limited right now. How? Because we exist in the roles that you're suggesting is the best. Because because why? Because those are the roles that

Andrew Wilsonyou're capable of doing and that's why women select for them. Why do you think women don't select to be plumbers? Why do you think they don't select to be loggers even though they can? Why do you think they don't select to be linemen? Why do you think they don't select for

Andrew Wilsonjobs which [ __ ] kill you? Which is why you see the rate of death from women in the workforce is basically 0% and from men it's overwhelmingly high. Why do you think women select for those jobs? Why?

Jasmine (Jazz)Because of all the reasons you've suggested here because those are the ones they can do. And I'm just saying as a counterargument that I think that's limiting. I think a lot of women would find success in male dominant roles. Limited by your own existence. You know,

Andrew Wilsonwe need No, it's by your structure. It's not just our own. You should go and you should complain to God that he limited your existence to how you exist. But the truth of the matter is is that you couldn't organize society any other way.

Andrew WilsonI just gave you the force so you could demonstrate it. You couldn't. All right. I asked you why it is that women when they have free choice still don't choose any of these dangerous jobs that men do. You couldn't explain that either except to say it's because those are the ones

Andrew Wilsonthat they can do, right? How do you organize society differently? How I'm saying we have opportunity now to

Andrew Wilsonnot have to force women to just reproduce or limit never forced forced to reproduce. But you said societal roles were set up where it was conducive. It's like, and you know what

Andrew Wilsonelse is so funny about this? It's like, "Oh no. Oh my god. I don't have to work and have to stay in this [ __ ] nice house all day and take care of my Oh my god. Oh, the human. Oh, the humanity.

Andrew WilsonOh, well, how could you do this to me? Oh, and women didn't have to. They couldn't get credit cards. Oh. Oh, but they got no debt. Oh my god, there's no debt. Oh no, not no debt for women. They

Andrew Wilsondidn't have to get drafted, right? They didn't have to join the fire brigade in order to vote. They didn't have to uh be subject to poll voting laws like men did. Oh my god, women, they're so [ __ ] oppressed. Oh god. It's like,

Andrew Wilsonwhat are you talking about? What are you I When I look at the historical standard for feminism, I think to myself, you had it made in the [ __ ] shade and you [ __ ] it all up. What are you stupid? Like you took the same amount of men and

Andrew Wilsonyou organized it and said you could stay at [ __ ] home all day, incur no debt, basically get whatever the [ __ ] you wanted and be subject to uh limited amounts of uh lawfare against you. They'd be like, "Yeah, I'm taking that

Amy Jeffers[ __ ] deal." What cigarette is smoking, man? Mary's jealous. Oh [ __ ] With the filter. Hell yeah. Yeah.

Savannah StoneHere. Does this make you feel better? Here we get rid of the filter. I really like there you go. Just need to know is argument

Savannah Stoneover to conclusion. Yeah, mom and the filters. It's just running in circles like that. I feel the same way. I love it. We do have uh some more. So, why

Brian Atlasdon't we uh let's see if there's any Clay. I'm going to let the chat come through the TTS. We have others below the threshold that we're going to batch up. But I did I did want to add real quick Brian before you I'll just let this

SPEAKER_05one. Go ahead. There are definitely many of you that shouldn't reproduce like 62.5% of this panel. Well,

SPEAKER_0512.5% can't. Chair one and two, please do not pass on that intelligence or lack thereof. Wait, what? Clay, thank you. Sorry for the delay on that. Uh, sorry for the delay on pulling. I did want to

Andrew Wilsongive her an opportunity if she wanted to cross-examine my worldview that I that's like I'll just answer your questions without asking you any if that was something that you wanted to do. I am

Jasmine (Jazz)curious what you think of women who pursue uh work in male dominant roles and vice versa. Men who want to find I think those women I think that those

Andrew Wilsonwomen have always existed in a minority. But I think that tailoring society in order to try to be super accommodating to a very very uh small subset of

Brian Atlassociety at the expense of the greater society is a really bad idea. Okay. It's a terrible idea. Moving on. In your notes, you said you also wrote to me, "Some opinions don't

Brian Atlasdeserve a debate because it legitimizes the other side, which isn't based in any fact." Uh, can you give me some examples of opinions that I suppose I or Andrew

Jasmine (Jazz)have uh that doesn't deserve a debate? Um, I recently saw a clip of Andrew debating whether um rape is Oh, grape. And I don't know if this was out of

Andrew Wilsoncontext or not, but I'm just from uh from Oliver. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm going to tell you guys, I'm going to tell all of you because I haven't had an opportunity yet because I just got home to counterclipip and destroy Oliver for

Andrew Wilsonhis lying. And so, he actually apologized on this podcast because he tried to uh infer that other people who were on the podcast were PDFs, even though they clearly weren't, he had to

Andrew Wilsonapologize for it when he was called out on it. But here's the truth. The reason that Oliver clips these things to make it look like everybody else is uh promoting essay or various things like this, which by the way totally

Andrew Wilsondisingenuous. That entire argument was based around grouping people as monoliths or not and why you shouldn't do that. And I used essay as an example, but he clipped it and cut it as though I

Andrew Wilsonwas trying to promote that essay was okay. Oliver has been involved in multiple scandals where he when he was uh younger was flashing underage girls.

Andrew WilsonAnd so what he's done as part of his rebrand is be super ultra super feminist and pretend as part of his rebrand that that never happened. And that's why he tries to label his opposition this way.

Brian AtlasBy the way, it's very common for leftists to do this. They are usually guilty of that which they accuse you of. Yeah. And uh I saw the clip, Andrew. I think I showed it to you originally when

Brian Atlasyou were still in studio and it's leaving out critical context. I mean, that was a 5hour conversation. There was Yeah, I I think it's all over the internet. You guys can go look. But

Andrew Wilsonyeah, Oliver was basically run off of the internet for without the woman's permission, an underage girl's permission, flashing her. And so, um,

Andrew Wilsonthat's why, if you look at all of his content, he always is trying to promote that he's like super ultra feminist as part of the shame ritual that leftists must go through in order to be accepted

Andrew Wilsonby their side uh, for forgiveness or whatever it is. It's a it's a literal shame ritual. But that is why he tries to clip his opposition as though he's trying to defeat that idea even though

Brian Atlasthat idea never came up to begin with. Yeah. And Andrew, how would you just quickly, I guess, respond to It's pretty clear to me that you were not advocating

Andrew Wilsonthat essay is good, but that's the way the opposite. What I was saying is what Oliver did is anytime I would make an argument, which would have a large group

Andrew Wilsonof people, he'd say some people, but some people blah. And I said, "Look, you wouldn't use that argument in reverse. If I were to say, could there be one woman on planet Earth who enjoyed her

Andrew Wilsonown essay, then if I said some people enjoy essay, would you accept that as an argument?" And he was like, "Well, no, of course not." Right? Which stands to

Andrew Wilsonreason, right? I'm saying you can't group people monolithically that way and then look to the outliers in order to make your argument. That was the whole point of the exchange. But what he did

Andrew Wilsonwas clipped it so that it sounded like I was saying, "Oh, SA is fine. That's great. More SA. Hey, if we could do more of it, great." You know what I mean? That's But that's the fundamental

Brian Atlasdishonest nature of progressive scumbags. And Andrew, let me ask you this question and tell me if this is essentially what he did. Let's say that

Brian AtlasJazz here said the following. It it is wrong to it's wrong to say that black people

Brian Atlasare bad. And what Oliver did is he started the clip where Jazz would have said black people are bad. Is that

Andrew Wilsonessentially what he did to you? So he just because he left out he left out the critical context before where I was explaining to him. Why do you keep

Andrew Wilsonsaying but some people? If I use the same argument, right, to say like could some people enjoy their own essay, right? You'd have to concede that

Andrew Wilsonlogically that's at least possible. And so he was like the the second that clicked with him that he would actually have to logically say that that's possible, he was trying to uh viscerally

Andrew Wilsonchange the dynamic for me just trying to explain that's not how you logically debate into me trying to actually advocate for this [ __ ] crazy thing. I'm just pointing out the obvious that

Brian Atlasfrom your worldview, right? You can't just say some people X and that's an argument. That's not an argument. I do actually uh really quick I just want to give a shout out because uh

Brian AtlasMyron looks like he finished his stream and uh he sent us a raid or a host. So I want to thank uh Myron Gaines uh from Fresh and Fit. Thank you so much for the uh raid man. Really appreciate it. Yeah.

Brian AtlasUh that's very nice. Uh so moving on to the next thing here. Uh and mind you though you so you brought that up that exchange with Oliver although you sent

Brian Atlasme this Yeah. along prior to your So your statement again is some opinions don't deserve a de excuse me debate because it legitimizes the other side but you sent that to me before Andrew

Brian Atlaseven had that debate with Oliver. Can you give me examples of opinions that uh I've stated or whatever that doesn't deserve a debate. Yeah, I don't necessarily know exactly what I was

Jasmine (Jazz)referring to, but I will say that I think um the idea that women are just meant for reproduction is something that I don't agree with. So, I feel like we

Jasmine (Jazz)couldn't have a decent debate when we fundamentally disagree. And again, it legitimizes your idea or your take that is not the best debate is that two people disagree. Like, what do you think

Andrew Wilsona debate? Sure. That's why I'm here that hang on. Do you think a debate is we agree on the topic and then shake hands and go, "Oh yeah, we agree." What do you think a debate is? If we can't agree on like very baseline

Jasmine (Jazz)fundamental ideas, then I feel like it's very hard to get anywhere. Like I think the fundamentals Well, I think after this, neither of us are going to have a different opinion. It's not for you or I to have different opinions. It's for the

Andrew Wilsonhundreds upon hundreds of thousands. Yes. And that's why I'm here and that's why inevitably I decided to come. But the thing is like that's what a debate is. I I have the opposite view. I think that debating practically anything is

Andrew Wilsongenerally speaking a fairly good idea for the health and welfare of society. And I think it's due to the fact that we've had people who try to oppress certain views. That's what makes those views prominent. I think that if you

Andrew Wilsondidn't contain those views, leftists did this, progressives did this all over YouTube. They did it all over every platform like uh X when it was Twitter. We don't agree with your views. You're kicked the [ __ ] out. Well, what those

Andrew Wilsonpeople do is they band together and they create brand new platforms and they propagate the view completely unopposed. Basically, most of the cringe ass views that you probably hate, you're probably the most responsible for by refusing to

Jasmine (Jazz)actually confront them. Just saying. Sure. Weren't the restrictions on Twitter originally hate speech? Not necessarily restrictions. But the problem is is is like if I say I don't

Andrew Wilsonbelieve that a man could be a woman, they considered that hate speech. However, that was the pro prominent idea of the time. The prominent idea from most people was that that was true and

Andrew Wilsonthey still considered it hate. Yeah. And they still considered that to be hate speech and removed you even though that was there is no such thing as hate speech. So the thing is is like there is no such thing as hate speech. Hang on.

Andrew WilsonHang on. Well, okay. But hang on. The idea here that you get to arbitrarily define what is hateful and what is not hateful. Even when we're talking about it doesn't matter

Andrew Wilsonconstitutionally there's no hate speech. Just let him finish please. Yeah. I'm almost done and then I'll turn it over. I know I've been monologuing a bit and you guys want to get involved and I'm totally fine with that. I'm just saying

Andrew Wilsonplease from from your from from your view right when you get to define what that is. Like let let's just imagine for a second that like Twitter was run by

Andrew Wilsonlike a a white nationalist and he was like, "Well, anytime a black person says anything negative about white people, that's hate speech, right? Would you be for that?" Probably not, right? So, but the idea is for some reason leftists

Andrew Wilsonthought that they could contain the right by just deplatforming them and the opposite happened. What happened is that they just went unopposed. It was very stupid. It was a tactical mistake. So, no, I I believe 100% in debate. I've

Andrew Wilsonseen leftists wipe the floor with right-wingers and vice versa. And it's like some of those views change people's minds. And what's happened instead is like dumbass leftists are like, "No, we're just not going to give you a platform." It's like, "Well, they just

Brian Atlasgo make their own." That's it. There's no hate speech. That's it. So, to get back to it, you said some opinions don't deserve a debate, which aren't based in fact. Can you just like quickly rapidfire list out

Brian Atlaswhich claims have I made that are not based in fact that aren't worthy of debate or uh and shouldn't be legitimized? Yeah, it was I just

Jasmine (Jazz)referenced this, but his idea that women's value is only in the fact that they can reproduce. I just don't agree. Anything else? Why? Like why anything else? No, I know I'm giving you a

Andrew Wilsonheadache. I'm just saying. Why the [ __ ] are you lying though? Like why do you people do this to me constantly? Why do you lie so much? Did I actually say that women's only value is in reproduction or

Andrew Wilsondid you just make that [ __ ] up? That's what I thought you said. If you want Yeah, right. You only heard what you wanted to hear. I said the most valuable. Does that Well, you asked me

Andrew Wilsonto suggest any other valuable. You asked me to suggest any other value. Anything because No, no, no. Anything that was of higher value than that. Oh, okay. Do you see the distinction? Yes. It's

Andrew Wilsonlike it's like do you think that I just think that women are only valuable for the purposes of reproduction or do you think that I can still hold that that could be the most valuable thing a woman

Andrew Wilsoncan do and still hold that they have many other values as well? Yes. Then then I would agree in a so why did you instantly take the most negative

Jasmine (Jazz)connotation only believes women's value is that they can reproduce. Why? Because when you want to structure a society based on the fact that women reproduce

Jasmine (Jazz)and to exasperate reproduction, then I feel like that fundamentally means that you think that that's their only use is reproduction. Why? That doesn't even make sense. I would also like to

Andrew Wilsonstructure society where some of the strongest men are firefighters. Does that mean I think men's only use is fighting fires? Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Brian AtlasUh, wait, hold on. We got a jungle here. All right. Uh, back to back to back. I'm going to do all of them. Jungle donating. I need three champagne bottles, please.

SPEAKER_05Wait, is this for reproduction? Yo, Jungle's freaking legend. Thank you, Jungle. We love We love Elis. The choice to do so or not. No,

Erica Perryit's just uh champagne. Thank you, Jungle. Brian, are you hungry? Start. Are you going to order us pizza? I would order You want me to order you a pizza? I will. Yeah, we can arrange that. Okay. Wait, what you guys order? Hold on. Hold

Brian Atlason. Don't talk about it on stream. We donated $1,000. Pop champagne. I just want everyone to be happy. Yeah, we should get food. We can get food. I can just tell you're hungry. There's a lot to I'm good.

Brian AtlasThere's a lot to get through. Really? You were so happy at the beginning. Other people. Well, yes, but just because Andrew has uh limited Love you, Andrew. I want to get through all those. Hold on. Hold on. What? You want You

Erica Perrywant Rachel? You want the smoke from Rachel? She'll smoke me, but I like I say, where where is she? What about Jungle donated $1,000? What about smoke?

SPEAKER_05Yo, Jungle, you're a legend. Wait, hold on. Crucible, Andrew. Cheers, boys. Chair three, you're annoying. Can you give me a

Brian AtlasAndrew? I think you know you got to have a little bit of uh some hard feelings towards Jungle here because he is the

Jasmine (Jazz)architect of the uh the pickled the Oh no, I should the olive jar. The the jar that shall not be named. Oh my

Andrew Wilsongod. Now I'm going to have the feminist debate. The labia jar. The feminist jar. Here's the thing, right? It's the grip.

Brian AtlasIf God wanted me to always take the W, right? How then how could he keep me humble? Sometimes you got to Sometimes you got to take an L. Thank you.

Andrew WilsonSometimes you have to take an L. L. But here's the thing. I've taken an L from an olive jar, but I've never taken a [ __ ] L from a feminist. I ain't never taken no [ __ ] L from a feminist. And

Brian AtlasI ain't never going to take an L [ __ ] feminist. I you know there's so much misinformation about this this clip. Um I should have spoken up more. That [ __ ] was greased. It was slippery. Andrew,

Brian Atlasthere was a moment where I I touched the top. It was greasy. It was greasy. You know, did you guys grease it? I'm confused. No, I just I figured that you tighten I think Did y'all tighten it?

Andrew WilsonThe top the top of it. It could have been from the store, but it also could have been because the chick was wearing hand lotion, but I don't know if she was. Is that a twist? No, it's not. But women women wear a lot of hand lotion. Everything's a toilet. Basically, Brian

Andrew WilsonBrian couldn't get a grip either. That was sweet. Jake came over. He had a damp paper towel because that assist was able to pop it. Oh my god. Wait, who was the guy

Jasmine (Jazz)that donated that? Uh, Jungle. Love you, Jungle. Yo, W's in the chat. $1,000 for Andre. Love you, Jungle. You're the best. Get me drunk. Just saying. We have

Lauren Selbya we have a ball of crystalall for one Ethereum. If somebody How much is one? The feminine level has dropped drastically through this whole episode. The what? Feminism.

Lauren SelbyThe what? The feminism level has dropped. It's dropped. Yeah. Like we started we started at 90 and I feel like we're at like 69 right now. Are you saying that jazz like the only I'm not

Lauren Selbyattacking you. I'm just I hear you and you're validated this cuz I'm I used to be young and cute and like be a little Democratic too, but Oh, I'm not a Democrat. Oh my. Okay. So, what did you

Lauren Selbyvote for? So, what are you then? Um Oh my god. I hear it's not going to pop. It's okay. It's okay. I totally hear you. Like I used to feel the same way. Was that Andre? You're not wrong. You're

Lauren Selbynot It's nothing. It's just different ways of thinking. Oh, okay. Definitely. But listen, she's young. She's young. And I am too. I'm four years younger than her. But but hang on. Hang on. Let me ask you this. Yeah. Like this is

Andrew Wilsonactually to the to the gal in white who's speaking. I'm sorry. I wasn't here at the beginning so I didn't catch all your names. So if I call you by your clothing, it's not because I'm misogynist. It's because I just didn't catch your names from the beginning.

Lauren SelbyIt's fine. No, I I hear in the white. No, it's okay. Yeah, white is right. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Who is white? Um, she can vote, right? I mean, there's no

Lauren Selbydestroy. You have more rights now than any woman has ever had in like time. Like, he's No one's taking away anything from you. You can work. You can have kids. You don't have to have kids. You

Lauren Selbycan do whatever you want as a woman. I don't want to do any of that. But like, I mean, just let it go. Let it go. I hear her and I I understand where she's coming from. Oh my god. If I cannot work, that's great. I love that.

Lauren SelbyWow. I love my job. I love to work, but I also love being so lounging. It's a little balance. That's it. Amazing. Uh, I work part time and I full. That's it.

Erica PerryChampagne, thank you. I'm talking to you. Yes. [ __ ] everybody. Champagne. Andrew, I wish you were here to take a shot with us. Andrew, underage. Yeah. Can't drink. I was very scared of you, but like over trying to release my

Erica Perrytrying to lease my shot. Okay. So, what the [ __ ] No. No. Andrew, I actually I wish you were here so I can like, you know, make Ashley take your shot together.

Erica PerryLike have a degenerate like um a little fest. Oh yeah, I forgot you think that socially drinking is degenerate. I I did

Erica Perrynot say that. I just said that I think your perception of it is a little skewed and you like to um It's kind of like my So my sister is very religious. So, um Oh, well then that must make you an

Erica Perryexpert. Oh, it doesn't make me an expert. I just will find like fallacies and like her beliefs. That's like when a chick's chick's chick's a medical expert cuz she's [ __ ] a dog. No, no, no. Andrew, I've been watching you for a while. Trust me.

Erica PerryI I'm like a internet. I watch the internet and I notice that you indulge in alcohol and then you like I'm sorry. What are you even prattling about? I'm

Erica Perryjust saying we're both juning. Drinking isn't a sin. It's It's I never said it was a sin. I just said it's if you're indulging in over indulgence of drinking, like more than one drink, then it's it's gluttonous. Oh my god. Oh, I know what I'm talking

Savannah Stoneabout. It's not even gluttonous. It's drunkenness. But if you're having one or two drinks, that's not drunkenness. How would you know? You've never You're 19. I' I've drank before. My husband's 23. Like, so you're I've had a drink. You're

Erica Perrya 20-year-old c you're a 20-year-old husband who married you when you were 17 has also drank with you. Grooming. Hello. That's not That's not what you talking about. How is that grooming? You have been groomed and I feel like you

Savannah Stonedon't even realize it. I think you're drunk out your mind. I'm so I'm highly inebriated. I'm not going to yell. I'm not going to yell or argue with you. You take I'm going to argue with you. I'm not going to drink. What do you mean she

Andrew Wilsonwas groomed? She's Are you happily married, ma'am? I'm happily married. I got married at 18 and she thinks I was Andrew, I know that you're you're all for age gaps, but Shush Only Fans hook her. Shut up. I've never been on only fans in the back. I'm talking I'm

Andrew Wilsontalking to the Don't call me an Only Fans hooker. I'm not Only Fans hooker, baby. I'm talking to the nice lady in the back. To the nice married lady in the back. You know, she got married when she was 17 to a 20-year-old. Stop

Erica Perrytalking, lady. To the nice girl in the back from the entire crucible. Congratulations. I'm very happy. Congratulations on getting married while you were a teenager to an adult. Congratulations. I can't even hear what

Erica Perryhe's saying. Oh, cuz I'm so inebriated and drunk. Yes, I think you are drunk. I I got married at 18. I was an adult. I think you've been very privileged and you don't understand other individuals.

Erica PerryShe's privileged. Oh, she's privileged. Yeah. No, she privileged. You You really are privileged. Define privilege. Well, so when we had our our well our discussion earlier, you were talking

Erica Perryabout abortion. I asked if you're from a two um a two-party household. You were. That's a privilege, is it not? Sure, that's a privilege. But you're gonna throw around the word privilege as in

Savannah StoneI'm the way I am because I had a two parent household. You haven't experienced a lot of other life and like babe, you got married at 17 to a 20-year-old. Like I didn't get married at 17. I got married at 18. So let's not

Savannah Stonelike throw a year later. My bad. So I was an adult. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. You want some, right? What would what would me, you know, experiencing life? Would that be me being single

Savannah Stoneuntil I'm 30, hooking up with a bunch of guys, go getting on drugs, going to rehab, sleeping around? That would be life experience for you. And that would I wouldn't call that life experience,

Erica Perrybut you were you had a predisposition predisposition towards me because of what you have not experienced. Basically, how did I have a predisposition towards you? were basically saying that like abortion was

Erica Perrywrong because you were from a type of household that you're like, "Oh, you should keep the baby type of thing because you've been from like um two parents that raised it." Well, that's not what I said. I said that when you have sex, there is a chance that you

Savannah Stonewill get pregnant and nobody wants to take responsibility.

Erica PerryIt's not even about that. My argument was that people who have come from households that are broken, they can't raise a child, cannot properly raise them. Yes, it is not. All right, hold on. Uh, can I ask a question briefly

Erica Perryreally quick before you do though? And then you're calling me drunk, which is so like it's such it's such a low blow because like you're 19. You can't even drink with us. You can't even drink this. I don't drink anyways. I don't You

Erica Perrycan't drink. You're 19. You're not 21. Personal. Don't judge her personal. I'm not judging you. You're right. You're right. I'm actually so proud to say I'm not going to be. You're right. You have strong. All right, really quick before you guys

Brian Atlascontinue your bickering and arguing, we need to uh do a cheers to jungle. Uh cheers to jungle. Welcome to the jungle.

Andrew WilsonWelcome to the jungle. I can't do a drink. Cheers, Andrew. Love you. She gets to march them. But here's the thing. To the to the girl in the back in the center who was talking, I I had a

Savannah Stonecouple of questions. Mhm. Um, you and your husband, you you got married 18. You're 19 years old. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Did you guys have a nice honeymoon? No, we actually were like kind of

Savannah Stoneunconventional. We got eloped like 3 days after getting engaged. Um, we haven't done a honeymoon yet just cuz we're saving up for that later in the future. Like our priority is having kids and buying a house. So, that's not

Savannah Stonereally Are you religious? I am. I'm Christian. Christian? Yeah. Yeah. Is that why you got married? Yeah. Uh, yeah. I I would say that's the main reason for sure. Like I don't think that there's really any reason to date. Well,

Andrew WilsonI want to show this chick what privilege actually looks like. So, the Crucible is going to send you $3,000 so that you and your husband can go on a honeymoon and you can go [ __ ] yourself. You needless

Andrew Wilsonscumbag. Go [ __ ] yourself. Her only crime was that she's happily married and you can't [ __ ] stand it. [ __ ] you. There I never said that. [ __ ] I never said that. You

Andrew Wilsonweren't here from the first portion of the argument. Glad I'm do your air horns. Kill your babies. I know. It's terrible. She told you she can't kill your babies. I think Wait, I'm sorry. Wasn't your wife formerly married like twice before you and had kids before

Erica Perryyou? Yeah. So what? So what? She sure wasn't killing them. So So how are you going to come at me and say I'm jealous of her when your wife has been with men before you? Time you had your wife has been touched. How many kids would you have? Your wife is not a virgin. And

Erica Perryyou're so religious and holy and you're coming at me, baby. Your wife has been with multiple men before you. Guess what? She has kids with other men. How does that make you? She's trying to get a reaction.

Erica PerryRachel's gonna go. Okay, let her see. Let her go. Rachel cameo. Rachel cameo while a nice lady goes out on her nice honey. I never said she was not a nice lady. I think she's beautiful. Like

Erica Perryshe's one of the most beautiful girls. I just think that, you know, she we have different She's going to make lots of beautiful babies and not kill them. Unlike you. I'm going to go grab I've never killed a baby. I've never had an

Erica Perryabortion. You're a [ __ ] liar. You're a [ __ ] liar. Ah, wow. That was interesting. Um,

Erica Perryyeah. I've never had an abortion. Um, Andrew, would you probably Mike, is it because of that? That's never happened. So, I don't know. It's never happened. I'm just I'm asking this like just

Erica Perryrespectfully cuz I'm curious. Yeah. If you got pregnant right now accidentally, would you get an abortion? I don't know. It's never happened. And if it I it's up for who it is. Wait, isn't it depends on

Erica Perrywho the father is? It depends. I only sleep with wealthy men, so I probably keep it.

Andrew WilsonI just don't even know what. I don't sleep with broke men. I know. But this nice lady though, I never said she wasn't nice. I think she's beautiful. We just At 17 At 17, she married a

Andrew Wilson20-year-old. Yeah. Sorry. At 18, she married a 20-year-old. And you're so [ __ ] butth hurt about that. Oh, I never said I was butth hurt. Her husband, her poor husband, who's not even here to defend himself, [ __ ] groomed her. I just Yeah, I do think

Andrew Wilsonit's grooming when he [ __ ] psychopath. Oh, yeah. It's a psychopath. It's psychopathic to think that a teenager, you know how she defends her husband? That's why she That's why she Yeah, sure. Sure. It's great. That's why

Erica Perryshe has one, cuz she's here defending him. This I've been proposed to. Andrew, you act like you act like I'm like some like amphibian. Andrew, are we

Brian Atlasgoing to get a Rachel cameo, by the way? Um, here. I don't I'm actually scared of your wife. I know she's going to demolish me. Like, I already know. Um, here. Let's get back to the Let's try to get through it. So, we have uh got some

Jasmine (Jazz)more notes here. Going back to you, Jazz. Beautiful, by the way. We just have disagreements, you know. So, Jazz, you said feel free feel free to jump in. No, no, no. We need to get through all the notes here, Jazz. So, okay, Jazz, you said about me and Andrew, maybe it

Brian Atlaswas just about me. I don't know. Yeah, you said the following. You spew misogynistic, pseudointellectual, redpilled bro ideas and care about stressing traditional gender roles when

Brian Atlasgender is extremely complex. And anyone in academia understands the evolution of human society and gender, we are much more advanced than animals. Not sure you've caught on to that. Now, before I

Brian Atlashave Andrew jump in, a few clarifying questions. misogynistic, pseudointellectual, redpilled bro ideas. I'd like to first maybe define our terms. What is misogyny?

Jasmine (Jazz)Um, hating women. I do think y'all are misogynists. Okay. So uh how I think it's

Jasmine (Jazz)um if you think that women have a certain role in society and if they don't fit that role then they're deemed inadequate as a woman

Brian Atlasthen I think that's misogynistic. Before I respond to that uh actually I'll respond to that then I'll get other examples of the alleged misogyny. Uh,

Brian Atlasdidn't earlier you raise your hand seven times when I asked you should men do X and they were all related to male traditional gender roles. So by your own

Jasmine (Jazz)logic then you would be a misandress. Okay. But I'm not saying I hate men. If I if I say I want them to walk on I respect when they walk on that side of the sidewalk to protect me then that's

Brian Atlasfrom what? What are they protecting you from? The cars passing. So you would essentially I actually think but I'm not saying I hate men. Well, actually, but I think it's you you might not hate men, but you you have a misandress view

Brian Atlastowards men. Stop [ __ ] talking, lady. So, you have a misandress view towards men. And I'll explain it as follows. You think men are disposable because you think, hm, a man can protect me from an

Jasmine (Jazz)oncoming car. He's disposable because he should die on my behalf. No, personally I just think it's like a respect thing and that they value me and and care if they're willing to put themselves in a position like that. It's

Brian Atlasnot necessarily I think they're disposable. I would my world would be shattered if my person if that accident happened with them. They're not disposable. Right. But you're saying men should sacrifice themselves for women or

Brian Atlasfor you. No, I'm just saying I think it's a good characteristic for someone to be like, I'll step on this side in case of some sort of event. That's So, what's stopping me from saying I think it's a good characteristic for women to adhere to their traditional gender

Brian Atlasroles? You seem to say that that points to misogyny. So, then surely it must point to you being a misandress. Okay. If you want to draw that conclusion. Okay. So, we're just going to call each other misandress and misogynist or are

Jasmine (Jazz)we going to actually back up these assertions with with actual evidence for the claims? the way that you talk to women on this podcast. I think what's an example of how calling someone like a prostitute in a derogator that was

Andrew WilsonAndrew, but if she is actually a prostitute, you're saying misogynist to pay for for a young couple's uh honeymoon. What's a huckleberry? That's very kind. I'm not taking away from that

Jasmine (Jazz)huckleberry. Very misogynistic, right? It doesn't mean that everything you do has to be in the vein of hating women. I'm just saying but if I hated women, why would I assist women?

Jasmine (Jazz)I I mean you're giving them their honeymoon, but still I've wait again. She's a woman that agrees with your idea. So if it also benefits a man, then that means No, but she's also a woman

Andrew Wilsonthat agrees with your ideology. No. You know what? I don't know if she agrees with my ideology. Oh, she has a No. If you're a stripper, excuse me.

Andrew WilsonIf you're a stripper, that doesn't mean you're a [ __ ] sex worker. woman for the crime of being happily [ __ ] married cuz you're nutc. I completely support I did not viciously attack her. We were having a discussion. [ __ ] You're lying through your teeth.

Andrew WilsonRevisionist. Tell me, give me verbatim how I viciously attacked her. Yeah. Here's how you viciously attacked her. You said that her husband groomed her and that her marriage was invalid because of you. I never said it was invalid. I said she was groomed. I never

Andrew Wilsonsaid invalid. What do you think that means? That means to the audience, you shouldn't take anything that that is said here with this marriage seriously cuz this guy groomed her. It was the worst most scumbag horrid thing to do to a young couple because you [ __ ]

Erica Perrypeople are so anti-natalist. You can't stand to see a woman happy. That's unbelievable. That's your perception. But I never She's going to go on a honeymoon and have 50 [ __ ] I hope she does. I hope she has a great honeymoon with the man that got to go have 50 kids

Erica Perrywhile you're riding the [ __ ] carousel. I love the [ __ ] carousel. It's a great [ __ ] time. I love Dick in My Mouth. It's [ __ ] fantastic. What? What the [ __ ] All right, hold on. Let me bring it back here. Get off the meta

Brian Atlasconversation. Uh Mike Davis, I see this. Uh it's we do reads in batches. I see your hundred. It's going to be batched. So, getting back to this. Oh god.

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