Feminist ACCUSES Him Of MlSOGYNY?! RAGE QUIT?! She Went FERAL?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #244

Date: 2025-05-26

Duration: 9h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJasmine (Jazz)>

LLauren Selby >

SSavannah Stone >

JJulie (SPC DT244)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amy Jeffers(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren Selby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Julie (SPC DT244)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Nasica(guest)

SPEAKER_11Carla Leto(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jasmine (Jazz)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Savannah Stone(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyJazz: burning misogynistic man could be 'net positive' for society

Key MomentAndrew Wilson joins as call-in guest

Key MomentAndrew donates $3,000 for Savannah Stone honeymoon

ControversyJazz accuses Brian and Andrew of misogyny

OtherAndrew Wilson departs the show

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Jazz (feminist), Savannah Stone (married, anti-feminism), Carla Leto (LMFT).

Woman Sets Man on Fire

News article: woman set boyfriend on fire after misogynistic comment.

Feminism/Gender Liberation

Jazz defends feminist views. Accused burning man of being "net positive."

Andrew Wilson Joins

Call-in. Debates Jazz on marriage, commitment, feminism. Donates $3K for Savannah.

Jazz Accuses Misogyny

Directly accuses Brian and Andrew of being misogynistic.

Body Count Discussion

Final topic.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaslight on fire every single feminist. And if I could prove to you, like if I could uh demonstrate that there would just it would clearly be a net positive on so uh

Jasmine (Jazz)society to burn feminists, you would then be in favor of that too. Um if that were the case and you could prove that then I guess technically sure

Jasmine (Jazz)and like sure. Okay. Okay. So, as long as it's a net positive, I'm antiviolence and I don't think this on a grand scale

Brian Atlaswould actually Well, you yourself wouldn't uh perform or participate in said violence, but if like other people could Yeah. I still don't agree. Yeah.

Jasmine (Jazz)Yeah. I don't want anyone to be lit on fire. I was just saying. Okay. It's potentially less harmful what she did compared to what potentially But this is all just Sure. Let me Why don't

Jasmine (Jazz)I ask you this? So, like, so you're you're a feminist, right? Um, sure. If you want to classify it that way. Well, what are you not a feminist? Um, probably not in your definition. I care

Jasmine (Jazz)for like gender liberation. So, gender, what's that? Um, just equality and equity for everyone no matter your gender identity.

Jasmine (Jazz)So, you think feminism is not about uh gender equality? Well, feminism historically if we are talking about like first wave, second wave, third wave

Jasmine (Jazz)had um super specific um like reason and outcome like gaining the right to vote and owning banks and property and stuff like that or their

Jasmine (Jazz)own bank account. Um, I think now we're in a different situation where we have in a lot of ways equal rights legally, but I think socially women and men

Brian Atlassuffer in the structure that we have right now. So, I'm pro-gender liberation. So, for everyone. Okay. I think some people And what do you think about uh are you in favor of deconstructing or dismantling the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy? Um, yes. Okay. All right. I would consider you a feminist then. Okay. Um, so I had a good follow-up question on this. Um, shoot. It's evading me,

Erica Perrythough. I'm going to think about it. We'll come back to you. Your reaction to the that article. Um, I don't like violence. I hate that. If she want to get back at him, she should have gnomed

Brian Atlashis house. She should have gnomed his house or sent like Jehovah's Witnesses or like um forked it. Um, prank called. Okay, got it. Oh, I I recall going back to you

Brian Atlasreally quick and then I'll let the rest of the panel weigh in on the thing. Um, so going back to you, uh, it sounded like, and this is perhaps going back to

Brian Atlasyour your argument about how, uh, net positive, right? Um, so probably this is within the feminist purview, uh, you would probably you might agree with the

Brian Atlasfollowing statement like uh, women are victim of violent crime at men's hands. This is especially prevalent in like essay statistics

Brian Atlasum and uh other sort of forms of like sexual violence and just uh interpartner violence in relationships, right? Um would you say it would be a net positive? So for example, you could

Brian Atlasprobably get rid of most of this uh at least within your world view if you just got rid of men entirely. Would that then be a net positive to just get rid of all men? Um no. I mean technically sure if all the men weren't there then who's

Jasmine (Jazz)purpose who's doing the violent crimes and acts sure but I think men are just as much of a victim in the structure that we have now and that causes them to

Jasmine (Jazz)commit the violence suppressing your emotions from a young age uh putting specific roles on men as man of man of the house and man up and stuff like that. they tend to act out violently because they can't um express their

Jasmine (Jazz)emotions or they don't have a space like women do to where like we're known as being emotional and like so we can kind of have that space together. Not that we're not judged for it, but still we're

Jasmine (Jazz)able to without being emasculated. So, um although men are the oppressors, it doesn't mean that they themselves aren't um victims at the hands of the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy, too. All right. I might get into some of that stuff a little bit later on in the show, but you said men are oppressors. Yes. And women are what? Um, so just just just so I fully

Brian Atlasunderstand, men are men are oppressors collectively as a group. Mhm. Okay. And women are oppressed or oppressed collectively as a group. Um, yes. Okay.

Jasmine (Jazz)And you're a woman? Yes. Okay. Are you as a woman? Um, yes. We live under a patriarchy, so sure. But how how specifically are you oppressed? Um I think the main reason the main ways that

Jasmine (Jazz)I see it in my daily life is like the hypersexualization of women. Uh men aren't sexualized in such a way and then the commodification of that sexualization.

Jasmine (Jazz)So, corn and only fans and it's seen as kind of like women empowerment, but I think um it's just teetering a dangerous line of

Brian Atlasum just like becoming that role of women in society. Would you say the hypersexualization of women and you you said this applies to you yourself is

Jasmine (Jazz)this systemic or is this on individual level? Um I think it's uh systemic. The existence of corn and only fans affects every woman no matter if they participate in that activ. Wouldn't this

Brian Atlasall But wouldn't these industries also systemically impact men? In what ways? Well, you said uh Only Fans corn, they systemically impact women, but then I

Brian Atlaswould argue they systemically also would impact men. I think so. Then men are oppressed systemically on the because of Only Fans. Yes. I'm not saying men have the ability to be the oppressors. I'm

Jasmine (Jazz)not saying that they aren't also oppressed um in their own way as well. Okay. But it's at the hands of themselves almost cuz they have the

Jasmine (Jazz)power to oppress and they're kind of putting it upon themselves. Uh can you clarify? Not individually. Um

Jasmine (Jazz)just um just kind of the bro pill ideology of like man up and get in the gym and this is what women want to see and it's like all kind of it's they're not talking to women to see what women

Jasmine (Jazz)really want. They're just discussing amongst other men. Wait, you think going to the gym is No, I'm just saying this idea. Why did you mention the gym though? What does that have to do with this? Because I'm thinking about the internet and how that kind of gym

Jasmine (Jazz)content kind of pushes you into this field of like bettering yourself, but then you get into like these conservative Are you against men bettering themselves? No, I'm just saying it's kind of like a rabbit hole that you go into on the internet. Wait,

Brian Atlasphysical fitness is a rabbit hole for right extremist rightwing propaganda. Yes. Strength training, weightlifting is

Jasmine (Jazz)a lot of the times Yeah. is a slippery slope to right-wing propaganda. Yes. because it's I mean think of like Andrew Tate like he's all about self- betterment and all of those kinds of

Jasmine (Jazz)things and that's super similar. Do do you know that uh Hitler was also vegetarian? Do you think like vegetarian I'm talking about media as it is now not simply because you go in the gym and get

Brian Atlasstronger to better yourself you become I'm saying like the pipeline on the internet is kind of algorithmically leads you there. Yeah. Just because Andrew Tate advocates for like strength training and getting in uh physical

Brian Atlasshape, I don't think you can draw from that then oh any sort of advocation towards increasing your health or physical strength would indicate that you're like going to go down some like

Julie (SPC DT244)rightwing. That's mainly what I've witnessed. May I ask a question? Sure. Do you think that your scope is a bit and and yeah just a bit narrow-minded?

Julie (SPC DT244)And I'm sorry like it's a little awkward. nothing against you but um because of social media right um you know like for example if I only watch the whatever podcast I may think you know all people think in this particular

Julie (SPC DT244)manner right sorry I wasn't speaking in the microphone um if I'm only seeing Andrew Tate on you know and my algorithm pops up more stuff like that right and and I don't agree with that I might

Julie (SPC DT244)think that all men operate in a certain way when in actuality that's not the case whatsoever right and and a lot of I mean a lot of what I hear you saying is very very negative towards men and I

Julie (SPC DT244)happen to think that men are actually pretty incredible and if you have time to look at all that they really do bring to the table. I think they bring so much more than we do. Um and and you know we

Julie (SPC DT244)because we are very emotionally minded. We think of me me and so on and so forth. Then I know that's kind of women. You're saying women women, right? And I know it's kind of going away a little bit from what you're saying, but I just think that, you know, if you're seeing

Julie (SPC DT244)particular algorithms, especially with social media, then we have this idea that all men are a certain way when in actuality that's not the case. Yeah. I don't think all men are a certain way. I

Jasmine (Jazz)was just drawing uh a um kind of a correlation between um men's betterment and improvement and getting in the gym. I see strongly correlated to red pill

Julie (SPC DT244)ideologies online. But what what is the problem with and I don't actually know specifically what red pill is that like the it's basically like the conservative

Julie (SPC DT244)view. Would you would you agree that it's more that route? Yes. And have you taken time to look at what the conservative view actually is when it comes to as a as society as a whole um

Jasmine (Jazz)and how it contributes to our children and the betterment of society? Yes. Um I just kind of disagree with placing binary roles onto people. I think it's

Jasmine (Jazz)dangerous for society and I think that's why the suicide rates are exponentially increasing. Um, so I just kind of disagree with the idea that men should act a certain way and women should act a certain way. And when I see these types

Jasmine (Jazz)of things perpetuated online, I think that's dangerous, especially when it's kind of um strung up as self-improvement and betterment when it's just kind of like this is how a man should act. I

Brian Atlasjust think that's dangerous. I want to let Savannah come in here because Savannah Savannah, you are describe yourself as feminist worst nightmare. Yeah, I would. been listening to what

Brian Atlasshe's she said she said I think I don't want to mischaracterize your argument but you're saying that uh the gender roles or perhaps traditional gender roles when it comes to men and women

Brian Atlasthese are harmful to can be harmful is that is that a fair re recap of your position yes it can be harmful yeah thoughts on that so I would agree with

Savannah Stoneyou that I think most men that weightlift are conservative and I think that there's a reason that most women men that weightlift are conservative Like generally speaking, I think conservatives take better care of themselves. I've never really seen a

Savannah Stoneliberal with a ton of muscle. I think that they're mostly like skinny, weak men. There is that stigma, right? But like the conservative movement, especially with Make America Healthy again, has pushed that, of course,

Savannah Stonebecause our side actually wants people to weightlift, to eat healthier, to stop taking medicine, and the liberal side doesn't want that. So, I I think that that's not a bad thing for men to be

Jasmine (Jazz)conservative and manly and masculine and weightlift. Would you disagree? No, I won't disagree. I was just saying there is a correlation there is all I was saying, which you agreed with as well. Yeah, I agree with that correlation

Savannah Stoneactually. I just don't think that it's it's a bad thing. I I actually encourage men to weightlift. I think that they should have muscle on their bodies. I think that they should be able to protect their families and and have like

Jasmine (Jazz)muscle and strength. Right. Yes. I I agree. I don't think just men. I I advocate for health for everyone. Um I think maybe we see more

Jasmine (Jazz)conservatives uh with a lot of muscle or into bodybuilding more than maybe um people on the left because the left seems to be more interested in academia. when we look at uh demographics and

Jasmine (Jazz)universities, they're getting degrees more and they happen to be Democrats, registered Democrats rather than Republicans type thing. So, I think it's just more of like a

Jasmine (Jazz)social area where like if you're you're conservative, this is your crowd you hang out with. You all go to the gym. And I think it stems from that binary role of men being strong and protectors

Jasmine (Jazz)and wanting to take care protect the house and things like that. But you think that binary ro binary roles are dangerous if you push them on to everyone. I think if you want to do that in your own time and your own household,

Jasmine (Jazz)I think if you look at someone who doesn't fit into that binary or gender identity and you say this is how you should act, man up, I think that can be dangerous. Tell So you think telling men

Savannah Stoneto weightlift is dangerous? No, not to weightlift. Just like man up like emotionally specifically. I would disagree with that. Uh, I think that the reason that we don't live in a society

Savannah Stonewith a bunch of masculine and strong men is cuz we haven't been telling them that for the past, you know, since first wave feminism started. We haven't been telling men to man up and get in the gym and eat healthier and aren't as manly

Jasmine (Jazz)now is what you're saying. I would I would like everybody to weigh in on that. I was just clarifying. I agree, too. Yeah, I completely agree, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad

Savannah Stonething really. Yeah. So, I I'm I'm assuming you want to get married one day. It's not really on my If you Okay, hypothetically speaking, if you were to be, you know, choosing your husband,

Savannah Stonewould you rather have a man who has a lot of muscle and he's masculine and he provides for you and he takes care of the children and he's the head of the household or would you rather have somebody who's passive, feminine, weak-minded,

Jasmine (Jazz)doesn't really look super masculine and manly? Um, it's all personal preference. I uh would like a partner who we have equal responsibilities together. If

Jasmine (Jazz)we're talking physique, um I do go for honestly I want to say I want a tall man with muscles, but I tend to not go for that. But yes, like idealistically.

Brian AtlasWait, let's explore that a little bit. So you're you said your own preferences, right? So you said you would like a guy with who's tall and with muscles. Yes. Okay. Have you dated tall men with

Brian Atlasmuscles? Um, maybe once. Just once. Yeah. Okay. The you were in a uh three year or sorry uh no threeyear relationship. How would you describe him

Jasmine (Jazz)physically? Um he was taller than me and he went to the gym regularly. Your longest relationship. Was that the guy who was tall and muscular? Um no that wasn't the

Jasmine (Jazz)guy I was referencing. You said he went to the gym though. Yes. Okay. Well, when we say muscular, I mean, was he athletic? Was he in good shape? Athletic. Um, he was getting there.

Jasmine (Jazz)Yeah, he went to the gym regularly. Okay. Um, but also, again, this is personal preference. I don't think we should force every man to have to be this protector of the household and stuff like that. I think we should. I

Julie (SPC DT244)think it leads to the downfall. Like, we may not see or people may not see this in the immediate, but I mean, it's it's already here. Um but long term um I mean you're looking at really the downfall of

Julie (SPC DT244)society in a sense and not just that alone but um and I don't disagree that like women should be able to do you know all of these things as well right um

Julie (SPC DT244)however we've taken women out of the home um you know other people are taking care of our kids I mean I can tell you firsthand even though there was another

Julie (SPC DT244)man in the house I essentially raised my son and I'm an emotional person and And I can tell you without going into detail that I have an emotional 22-year-old who

Julie (SPC DT244)is not a man. Um, you know, and we see it all all around us. We have, you know, this lack of masculinity and and it's I think that

Julie (SPC DT244)it's being uh looked at as like it's a it's a it's a bad thing to be masculine and a caretaker and to, you know, even if you want your wife or your significant other

Julie (SPC DT244)to stay at home or things like that. Um I think when you look as a whole to society you see why it's necessary even if like for me um that means I might

Julie (SPC DT244)have to give up things I want because there are certain things that I like like I you know didn't I don't necessarily want to be at home all the time but if it's for the greater good then I would forego that and I think we

Nasicahave to consider the betterment of society as a whole. Mhm. I believe it's also because like we were talking about earlier, women are naturally more emotional and then we

Nasicaknow that men they're just built stronger. So it's like men should work on that like privilege like that benefit that they already have that they're stronger so they can take care of the

Nasicahouse like whenever there's anything that's physical that's needed. And then women like us, we should be more with the kids like in tune with them and like talking about these emotional things and helping them to overcome like certain

Brian Atlastroubles. You know what I mean? Mhm. Yeah. Well, Jazz, I think you're going to probably disagree with her. She said that she said I'm just repeating it that women are more emotional. Do you

Brian Atlasdisagree with that? Um, no. I think women are more emotional. But isn't Wouldn't that be in contradiction of your Hold on. Wouldn't that be in

Jasmine (Jazz)contradiction of your whole like uh rejection of the gender binary? Um so there's a biological and genetic predispositions between the genders. So

Jasmine (Jazz)there are differences between men and women biologically and genetically the way we think, our testosterone, our hormones. Sure. But I think nurture has

Jasmine (Jazz)a lot more to do um with how we turn out rather than our nature. But I think the way that gender exists right now in such binary roles, um, we're perpetuating our

Jasmine (Jazz)nature. And I think that's dangerous because there are a lot of gender identities that exist with outside of the binary. So I think it's very limiting to the human experience to say that because we're naturally this way,

Jasmine (Jazz)we should exasperate those differences and not kind of go outside of those binaries because we can. We just choose not to and think it's better. So essentially, do you care like about the

Nasicatraditional gender roles that we have already? Like does it matter for a man to be like going to the gym and stuff like that? And does it matter for a woman to be at home cooking and taking care of the kids or it's like the roles

Jasmine (Jazz)can be switched and there's like nothing wrong with that? Um I I see a lot of um relationships where the man is kind of the stayathome husband and roles are

Jasmine (Jazz)reversed. There's a really popular couple in Tik Tok, lady with red hair and her husband like cooks for her all day and she pays him to do that. Um, and I think if that works for them, that works for them. But I do want to go back

Jasmine (Jazz)to something you were saying about how you raised your son on your own and you're a woman and we're more emotional. There are statistics to back that up that um, children that are raised with just the mom in the house aren't as well

Jasmine (Jazz)equipped socially in society as if they're raised with just a single dad. And I don't think that's because women are incapable of giving that. I think

Jasmine (Jazz)the way society is constructed, women have to rely on men so much that when the man is missing, then we kind of fail in a sense. And I think that that's

Jasmine (Jazz)wrong. I think we have just as much as an ability um to raise somebody, but in the way that we structure gender now in society, it makes us kind of incapable

Julie (SPC DT244)and unable to. I don't I don't disagree that we are not capable of raising children on our own. Um but well I I'll speak for myself. Yeah. So I'm more

Julie (SPC DT244)likely as a mother, as a woman to give into things that a father would say no, things are going to be this way and this is how it's going to go. Um whereas I ca you know I'm going to cave into things

Julie (SPC DT244)or because my marriage was a particular way I felt like I had to make up for those things by allowing things I should not have allowed. Um I mean I there's I there's definitely you know mothers out

Julie (SPC DT244)there who can be very strong logical make those decisions and stick to those decisions but by nature we are not necessarily like that. And I mean I can see it with um my daughter's father. I

Julie (SPC DT244)mean, uh, there there's times where I think, "Oh, he's being mean." And then, but, you know, over the last few years as I've come into realizing that there's

Julie (SPC DT244)order for a purpose. I see where where it's okay if dad sounds mean or, you know, if he's more demonstrative and things like that. So, so I've come to

Julie (SPC DT244)actually appreciate that and understand the need for it because I couldn't do that on my own. Yes, yes, there are times where my kid does something wrong and I'm going to raise my voice and I'm going to be very firm and this is going

Julie (SPC DT244)to be what it is. But ultimately, generally speaking, a man serves a different purpose, right? We compliment each other. And so, I do think that um and I mean, I could go

Julie (SPC DT244)into, you know, the whole feminist the the origins of feminism, not the origins, but some of the reasons behind it is pulling the woman out of the home

Julie (SPC DT244)and creating this disharmony. um for our children. And um again, I you know, I went to school. I worked, you

Julie (SPC DT244)know, full-time. I was not a stay-at-home mom. Um and if I had to go back to do again, despite the fact that, you know, I would have craved more intellectual stimulation than being at

Julie (SPC DT244)home all day, I would have done it because I think ultimately it's it would have been the best thing to do um for at least for my son. Yeah. um with my daughter, you know, I I would

Jasmine (Jazz)well situation's different, but I would love to do it for her as well. I just would disagree that it's purely nature is the reason that these are the outcomes. I think we perpetuate our um

Jasmine (Jazz)genetic differences so much in societal roles that women are incapable in certain areas, like you said, to say no and to the to do the dad role. And I think it's because we push those roles

Jasmine (Jazz)so much when if we kind of dstructured the way that we had gender identities um then women could be a whole person in a

Julie (SPC DT244)way and men could also cater to people emotionally and on a different level. I think that it's always been this way. Like I'll even grant that if you go way back into ancient societies if you want

Julie (SPC DT244)to talk about genders and such, you know, there's there's old or ancient societies that had multiple genders, right? But setting that aside, if you look back at all throughout time, women

Julie (SPC DT244)had a particular role, men had a particular role, and it's actually instead of I think it gets demonized, but in actuality, it's a really beautiful thing. Um, and we're trying to

Julie (SPC DT244)change it to fit this new box that's been created. And I I just I just think order exists for a reason. Um, I'm not, you know, nothing against particular

Julie (SPC DT244)people or or anything like that, but I and I and I can say that um and it doesn't have to be my age. It could just be, you know, the fact that I've learned a little bit more over the last few years. Um, I just think it

Julie (SPC DT244)um it all serves a purpose. Once you see things, they all fall in line instead of trying to like having a Rubik's cube and trying to make all these pieces fit when they don't really fit. It It just seems

Savannah Stoneto be that way. I don't you know, I would I would like to go back to what you said about pushing traditional roles on men and women is dangerous. But we actually I mean in the past, I don't

Savannah Stoneknow 20 years or so, we haven't been pushing those traditional roles on men and women. We've actually been doing the opposite and society has gone downhill. So, how can you say that pushing

Jasmine (Jazz)traditional roles are dangerous when we've done the opposite and no good has come from it? In what ways do you think we're all of a sudden not pushing gender norms and roles onto people and in what

Savannah Stoneways do you think society is being negatively affected? I mean, so as far as not pushing traditional roles on people, right? Like I think as women, we are told now and in this century that

Savannah Stoneour career, our degree, our title is more valuable than being a wife and a mother. We're told that like we essentially have no value. I mean, and I can attest to that because I post all the time about my lifestyle on social

Savannah Stonemedia and I post that I don't have a college degree and I don't necessarily have like a stable career. And I get a lot of backlash for that. And a lot of people will say, well, you don't really have any like value to you. You're not

Savannah Stonesmart. You don't have a degree. You don't have a title. And on men, I mean, you said it like they're they're basically told that they have toxic masculinity if they want to be strong men and they want to be masculine. So, I actually think that we've done the

Savannah Stoneopposite and we haven't pushed traditional roles on men and women and that's why you see women becoming more masculine and you see men becoming more feminine. So, do you think that all women should be in the house

Savannah Stoneand taken care of? I don't necessarily think that all women need to be stay-at-home wives and mothers. I mean, in Savannah's perfect world, I wouldn't make women go work 9 toive corporate jobs that are literally just not good for their hormones. They're being, you

Savannah Stoneknow, bossed around by a boss all day. I don't think it's healthy for women. So in my perfect world, if women wanted to work, they would either go the entrepreneurial route or they would work until they became mothers and then stayed home with the children. But there is a lot of evidence that moms that stay

Savannah Stonehome with their children, the children generally do better in society. So I would say yes, it's important once you have kids to figure out how to stay home with kids. Um I don't think that we need two incomes in today's society. I think

Savannah Stonethat, you know, we're a society that chases after so many materialistic things and, oh, we need two cars and we need this crazy mortgage and we need designer bags and we need three vacations a year. I don't think that

Savannah Stonethat's 100% necessary, but society pushes it to where both men and women have to have an income to raise a family. Um, so yeah, I I think traditional roles would actually help families. It would bring back the

Savannah Stonenuclear family to society. I mean, I think it's it's you see the birth rate like it's it's plummeted. That's not helpful for any society. If it keeps plummeting, we're never going to actually like grow our population.

Brian AtlasUh we'll have to move it on a little bit, but we can come back to some of that later. I just want to finish up really quick. That thing we were reacting to earlier where the girl was getting uh dou or excuse me, the woman

Brian Atlasdowsed the the guy for the misogynistic comment. Uh quick reaction from the rest of the panel. Go ahead. What What do you think on that? Was that a boyfriend or just a friend? I think it was just they

Amy Jefferswere hanging out. It was just a friend. Okay. Yeah. I I don't agree with what she did. She kept his mouth shut. Yes. Your thoughts? Not appropriate, but he probably said it to get a reaction. Sure. Okay. Your thoughts? I think she

Julie (SPC DT244)proved that she can't drink with the boys. That's a good point. Good point. Savannah, what about you? I don't know the context, but I'd like to think I would have laughed and just gone to go make a sandwich or whatever it was he asked for. Oh, you would have made the

Carla Letoactual sandwich. All right. What about you? What are your thoughts, Carla? I think she needs to work on her communication skills. Homeg girl needs to buy my book. Probably just a little bit. Probably work on the communication skills. What What do you think? I'd

Brian Atlasignore it and I'd be more concerned for his safety. Okay, there you go. Uh and then there was one other Mary, if you can pull it up there. So, the the comments though on

Brian Atlasthis were atrocious. Uh pull up the Instagram one. We'll go window tab. Uh, just hit the pause on the video. Scroll, zoom,

Brian Atlasmake it bigger. All right, then scroll down so we can see the comments. All right. Uh, one, I'm going to read them. So, she

Brian Atlascooked him. One anti-misogyny assaulted, blah blah blah. Uh, he told her to stay in the kitchen, so she cooked him. Literally 90,000 likes. Scroll down. I

Brian Atlaslove it. The Okay. Well, what was he wearing? Did he try to tell her to stop? 44,000. That's good. Uh, okay. When you use a group A joke with a group B. I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure what that means, but okay. Well, close [ __ ] anyway anymore. This would not This would have not happened if she stayed on the kitchen though. Okay, scroll down. Why would he get

Brian Atlasdrunk like that alone? He should have known better. Like he lit himself. Just reminder, guys, this guy Okay. Uh, I'll read some

Brian Atlasmore. He basically did tell her to cook. Shouldn't have worn flammable clothes. He obviously wanted it. She's an icon

Brian Atlasand she is the moment. Um, mind you, most of these have like uh 10,000 plus likes. Uh, bet he won't say that again. I hope it doesn't ruin her life. She has

Brian Atlassuch a bright future ahead of her. Uh, lies. She was with me the whole day. But what was he wearing? But what was he wearing? Again, 8,000 likes. 8,000

Brian Atlaslikes. Stop defending her. I can't like all the comments. Scroll down. Uh, men throw acid all the time, but when one gets a little charred. Okay, scroll

Brian Atlasdown. But he was asking for it. What's that emoji? Uh, scroll down. If he didn't want to be set on fire, he shouldn't have been he shouldn't have

Brian Atlasworn something flammable. Scroll down. I'm getting carpal tunnel in my thumb from liking all these comments. Mind you, these are all women, by the way. Wait, did he say no? What was he

Brian Atlaswearing? This diva. We'll do three more, I guess. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. She was cooking for real. What was he wearing? No, I don't want to be set

Brian Atlason fire. Uh I think the typically the my objection to this I know these people are joking is typically there's there's

Brian Atlaslike a lot of situations where women are consenting to having consensual sex. There's not a lot of situations where people are consenting to have someone lit on fire. And further, even if you do

Brian Atlasconsent to being lit on fire, the perpetrator of that is still going to be subject to some sort of criminal penalty regardless of if if there was consent or not. Uh although you could make some

Brian Atlasarguments. Ah, you can make some arguments, but whatever. Scroll down. Uh did he loudly and clearly state that. Okay. Anyways, you get the idea. The comments that's just on the Instagram.

Brian AtlasIt's been posted all over Tik Tok, all over Twitter. I think the comments are egregious. They're horrible. They're disgusting. Some of you guys were laughing, but I mean, like, let's remember here. There's a guy who got

Brian Atlasridiculous. Like, this guy's gonna be permanently injured and disabled for life. Like, burns are are serious. Like, they're disfiguring. You're going to

Julie (SPC DT244)have permanent pain issues. So, just like to point that out. I think I was laughing because it was mo and and this probably isn't going to get me any

Julie (SPC DT244)likes. Uh I don't mean that kind of likes, but um because it's mocking all the false accusations from women um for essay.

Julie (SPC DT244)Yeah. Yeah. Does that make sense? Not because the man was uh irony of what happened. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that makes it any better, but that's it's just the internet so silly and ridiculous. That's why we're laughing.

Carla LetoThey want to they want to get likes on their comment. That's what it really is. Yeah. Like I don't think that comedy is about taking her side. It's about finding the irony that using that kind of humor. I think a lot of people

Erica Perryactually are taking her side. Oh well. Really? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. I think all of them were I I've never you were you disavowed

Brian Atlasthe violence if I recall. Yeah. Uh we're going to let a couple chats come through. Oh TTS. Uh Christopher Scott, great. Thanks for the endorsement. The next time a woman is being a misandress, I can light her on fire and if she stops

Jasmine (Jazz)being a misandress, it's a net positive. What a love. Uh response to this, Jazz. Um how is misandry affecting you in your dayto-day? Because misogyny I think we

Jasmine (Jazz)all can agree in some way has affected us personally. I disagree. What does misogyny especially like hating men hatred, contempt or prejudice towards men? No, I didn't know that there was a

Brian Atlasterminology for that. I didn't uh I mean I would dis I disagree with your categorization. So this is like a common and feminist argument. Essentially you're saying uh misand or misogyny kills, misandry hurts feelings

Jasmine (Jazz)basically. That's is that your position? And that's um I wouldn't have worded it that way, but I don't disagree with the way that you just Well, that's the common feminist framing of it is like

Brian Atlasmisandry uh misandry is is either harmless or not that bad whereas misogyny is like very harmful and kills women essentially. He made a women in

Brian Atlasthe kitchen joke like that was it. You know how like that's just funny. People can't laugh anymore about anything. Can I ask you a question? So if um if misandry being non-lethal uh which I

Brian Atlasdon't grant uh it's very disputable but if it makes it less of a concern wouldn't it logically follow that every other kind of bigotry uh is it's not as

Brian Atlasbig of a deal as long as we ensure no one is killed. Um what do you mean? Well, essentially your like your position is is well misandry not really that bad, but misogyny like uh at its

Jasmine (Jazz)worst women are killed. Well, okay. I'm saying the reason for misogyny is and also I'm not necessarily a misogynist, but I'm saying if somebody says they hate men, it's most likely because they

Jasmine (Jazz)have um experienced some sort of violence from men. Whereas, sorry, go ahead. Whereas um if someone's a misandress, I mean that's what I meant. If they're a misandress and they

Jasmine (Jazz)probably experience some form of violence against man, whereas if they're a man is misogynist, they just they're not really experienced vi violence from women. They just hate women. I'm reiterating the same. Yeah. How do

Brian Atlasyou come to that conclusion? Like that's just an assertion. How did you arrive there? Because the numbers um the numbers. Yeah. Violence against women, assault. Sure. Well, a couple I suppose

Brian Atlascounterarguments here. Uh first I would point out that if you look at uh homosexual relationships, so you look at lesbian relationships, gay relationships, and and also I'll include the heterosexual stats on that. Uh the incidents of domestic violence are the

Brian Atlashighest in lesbian relationships. They're the lowest in gay relationships. So two men and then uh so it's lesbian relationships, two women, highest levels of domestic violence. Then you have

Brian Atlasheterosexual relationships, man, woman. And then the lowest incidence rate of uh interpartner violence is homos u gay men. So how could it possibly be when

Brian Atlasyou have two men in a relationship where conceivably men are allegedly more violent than women? They're the least violent. But when you have two women in a relationship, they're the most violent. How could that be? Men are more

Brian Atlasviolent against women, not against other men. I don't You get what I'm saying? I think it's not really the same argument if it's woman on women. Here's my secondary argument in response to that. So, if we

Brian Atlasare if we're going to just completely ignore uh my arguments as it relates to if we're looking at homosexual relationships and the rates of domestic violence in those, fine, we can just look at heterosexual relationships. If

Brian Atlaswe look at the rates of inter um nonrescrocal uh interpartner vi is it intra intraartner non-rescrocal violence in heterosexual relationships. So, this

Brian Atlasis where one person is beating the other and there's not reciprocal violence. Women are far more likely to be onedirectionally abusing their male partners than the reverse. It's actually

Brian Atlas50/50 if you look at they're both beating each other. It's 50 It's It's 50% equal. Okay. But what are the stats

Jasmine (Jazz)on like violence and murder? Well, you mean in relationships? Well, no. I'm outside of relationships. Oh, yeah. Men are more likely to be victims

Jasmine (Jazz)of violent crime by other men. Why would that matter? Well, I'm just saying they're also more likely to be the perpetrators of crimes against women, violent crime. Yeah, I'd be willing to

Brian Atlasgrant that. It Yeah, you could look it up. It's Yeah, but just just so I better understand if bad thing happens to woman Okay. and

Brian Atlasman is the perpetrator. Did he do the crime because she's a woman? Um, no, not necessarily. Okay. So then how can you

Brian Atlaspoint to incident incidences of domestic violence or murder that occur to women, these must it must be the case that it happened because this person is a woman

Jasmine (Jazz)or it happened due to sexism. Again, I blame it on the gender construct and how um we suppress male emotion. And I think it turns it it comes out violently and

Jasmine (Jazz)and subconsciously maybe they hold some sort of resentment against women who get to express their emotions and have those feelings and and that's what makes them act out in those ways. I think it's just the pressure of or the way men exist in

Brian Atlassociety now is what creates that, not just that she's a woman so he beats her. Yeah. And going back to your previous point though, you were saying how um w with

Brian Atlasthe comparison between misogyny and um misandry that when women say things like uh if they say they hate men, it's because

Brian Atlasthey themselves have experienced uh could have experienced violence from a man in their past. Qu a couple question clarifying questions for you on that. uh do you think their statements or

Brian Atlastheir misandry is perhaps fair or justified? And look, just let me preface this by saying uh violence towards anybody is wrong. Women who experience violence at the hands of men, absolutely

Brian Atlasuh abhorentt, completely wrong. They should be prosecuted. Um, but if a woman does experience violence at the hands of a man, does that then give them cart

Brian Atlasblanch to uh have uh to be misandressous or to say and it seems like that's your position to say uh that they hate men and that that's an acceptable uh thing

Jasmine (Jazz)to say. No, I I don't think it's acceptable. I think um if you say a statement so simplistic, you're not really looking deeper at again I think the structure of gender is the reason

Jasmine (Jazz)that they have these opinions of men and it's not necessarily I think it's very shallow and like an empty statement to just say I hate men. I don't think they're they're looking at the structure

Jasmine (Jazz)of gender and thinking it's not really men. It's it's the socialization of men and how we create them to be. But I'm a little confused because earlier it sounded like you were essentially trying

Jasmine (Jazz)to justify women saying these things, saying that they hate women. You were you were So your position was sense, but I think it's not deep. I don't think that they are I agree with you. It's not

Brian Atlasdeep. But what are you I guess what are you trying to get at when we're talking about the comparisons between misogyny and misandry when you say well it's not so bad when women say that they

Jasmine (Jazz)hate men or that they're misanderrists is that your position I think um widely women have more of a reason like a a very basic observational reason to say

Jasmine (Jazz)this is why I hate men whereas when men do it it's because because what? because they just don't like women. But I think they don't like

Jasmine (Jazz)the Do those women just not like men. Again, I think that statement is very empty. It doesn't really hold much nuance. But I think if they were But there's a reason. Yes. And is the reason

Jasmine (Jazz)justified? Um justified. No, because I don't hate all men point blank statement. I hate the structure of gender is how if if you heard a female friend of yours, I would understand her

Brian Atlassentiment. Yeah. But if she said, uh, I hate all men because I went through XYZ ne negative experiences with one, two, three, or more men in my past. Would you

Jasmine (Jazz)like correct her clearly bigoted statement? Um, I think if she's my friend, we probably have a common understanding that it's because men are socialized to be that way and it's not necessarily

Brian Atlaslike their fault. It's not. So, it's not their fault. What I would if a man's violent towards a woman, I would blame him directly. Sure. Independently, but I mean like when we're talking

Jasmine (Jazz)structurally, the reason that those statistics exist and that men act out violently is because of the pressure they're put under. I mean, yeah, I suppose there's all kinds of life factors that I would understand their

Carla Letosentiment. I wouldn't necessarily agree with it uh without adding nuance, right? But I I mean I think Brian's asking would you challenge her on hating all men even though what you're saying is it sounds like what you're saying is her

Carla Letoreason is some kind of trauma response that she hasn't like fully explored. Fine. Would you still challenge that notion that all men should be hated or that that's okay or like yes would you

Jasmine (Jazz)challenge it? Would you push back on it? Is that what you're asking Brian? Kind of. Yeah. Well, at least for that part. Yeah. Yeah. I think we'd have a discussion about the existence of gender, how it exists today socially rather than Yeah. But would you um like

Brian Atlaslet me ask you, if a male friend of yours that you were hanging out with, he said, "I hate women." Would you be like, "Whoa, that's kind of a sexist,

Brian Atlasmisogynist thing to say." Yes. In the same way that saying you hate all men is. But would you would you have a similar sort of conversation with your female friends? Yes. Would you? Yeah.

Brian AtlasOkay. And but again, I'm still really trying to get to the the substance of you're saying uh misogyny essentially

Brian Atlasworse than uh misandry. Yes. Okay. And are you to some degree excusing misandry?

Jasmine (Jazz)Excusing I I just don't think that it um ends deadly for men. like misandry doesn't end in extreme violence and

Brian Atlasdeath and rape for men as the counter does. I mean, there's some dispute there with some of those claims, but uh let me

Brian Atlasask you this. Uh if a white person had uh one or more negative uh negative encounters with someone who's black or some other minority

Brian Atlasgroup, it could be could be Latino, could be Asian. and uh and then they become racist towards that minority group. You would then I I assume you

Brian Atlaswould give them some uh you would understand their racism because of their own negative experiences with the with that racial group. Um I would be like I understand the sentiment, sure, but you

Jasmine (Jazz)also need to realize that race is socially constructed as well. So, if you're having similar experiences with a certain race, it's because of um our

Jasmine (Jazz)class structure, um you know what I mean? Um I mean, this is a totally different conversation, but again, I it's it's just another social

Jasmine (Jazz)construct, so it's way more nuanced. And I would understand the sentiment of them deciding to be racist or whatnot, but I think that they just lack an understanding of um the structure that

Brian Atlaswe live under. And this would also apply to females who are misandress. Yes. And I applied them equally. Yeah. But would you give the same sort of leeway when it

Brian Atlascomes to misandra statements by made by women as you would to someone who's uh say like a member of the KKK and this

Brian Atlasperson themselves has had numerous maybe they were victims of violent crime. Maybe a family member was murdered by somebody of a racial minority. Would you then give them a pass for their racism

Jasmine (Jazz)because of their own lived experience? Again, I'm not giving a pass to any of these. I'm just saying I understand the sentiment, but you're misunderstanding the structures of society. And then to dive a little deeper on that, if we were

Brian Atlasto look at, for example, would you say there's a in the same way there's a differential between men and women, you're saying, well, misogyny worse than um Missandry. Let's say there's a black person who's had negative encounters

Brian Atlaswith white people, and then that black person has uh prejudice or bigotry towards white people because of uh their lived experiences. Would you say that their you might not even categorize it as racism, but I'll just for the

Brian Atlassimplicity, I'll just say their prejudice towards towards white people. Would it be more less harmful than on the individual

Brian Atlaslevel than if there was a white person who held uh racist or bigoted, prejudice beliefs, even if that white person had just as bad or even worse violent

Jasmine (Jazz)encounters where they were the victim of a black person? Um yeah, I think

Jasmine (Jazz)um racism against black people is on a a social and structural scale. So, an outlier offense of a black person

Jasmine (Jazz)committing some violence against a white person or just being prejudice or racist against white people doesn't have the same effect as when white people who are the oppressors or have some sort of

Brian Atlashigher social status in society were to be racist against a minority or people who are already disenfranchised. Gotcha. And you mentioned like white people being the oppressors. Uh but I don't

Brian Atlasknow if there's any intersection here. So, what if uh like the wealthiest, let's say Barack Obama walks up to a white person who's like a janitor and uh just starts beating the [ __ ] out of the

Brian Atlasjanitor because he's white. Uh would you say that, mind you, Barack Obama, former president of the United States, he's like extremely wealthy. He has I would say even though he's the ex-president of

Brian Atlasthe United States, probably like substantial amounts of power uh in varying degrees. I could even make the scenario when he was the president where

Brian Atlashe's the leader of the uh the most powerful nation in the world and he walks up to the White House janitor who happens to be white and just starts

Brian Atlasbeating him up because he's white, would that still fall under your system of like, well, this is not really as bad or as racist because there's a system that uh says that like when a black person is

Jasmine (Jazz)a perpetrator against a white person, it's not like as bad. Um, I'm against violence again in any circumstance. Um, I think independently obviously that's wrong of

Jasmine (Jazz)them to do, but I am saying that a black person saying that they don't like white people is different than white people saying they don't like black people because of the social status differences. But what what about your intersectionality? So, you would then

Brian Atlashave to factor in like social class, these sorts of things. All of it includes I think you you would probably agree that Barack Obama is like higher in terms of an extreme independent scenario and yeah I know but it's just

Jasmine (Jazz)I'm just testing out your logic here. I'm I'm talking about the the whole structure of race not just like independent I mean you there's you can point out any kind of outlier and well I think the individual is the ultimate

Brian Atlasminority. So, I think I would agree with you like when it comes to socioeconomic status, uh, yeah, white people are probably doing better socioeconomically, generally speaking,

Jasmine (Jazz)than black people. So, it's more of an implication and kind of more extreme when white people say they hate black people rather than you think it's less justified for black people to hate white

Brian Atlaspeople or you think it's more I think it's equally bad. Okay. Think it's even though that there's even though there's a a difference in socioeconomic Yeah. Sure. Okay, but I this would just come down to intersectionality and the ultimate so you would be like, "Okay,

Brian Atlaswell let let's look at their socioeconomic status. Let's look at their are they able-bodied? Let's look at um you know uh are they a man or woman? Let's look at their skin color. Let's look at their race." We you'd look

Brian Atlasat all these varying factors and I would just bring it down to the ultimate uh minority group which is the individual. So on the individual level, you'd have to look at the totality of circumstances between each person. And I can give you

Brian Atlasexamples where like if you if you have one black person versus one white person where that like the intersectionality of like their respective privileges and disadvantages where the black person is

Brian Atlasmore privileged than that specific white person. And so I would just categorically reject that like the entire system would be completely irrelevant to the individual

Brian Atlasuh encounter. it would it wouldn't have any bearing whatsoever. Okay. Okay. Uh well, I'm gonna let some more chats come through. We have Lucas

Brian Atlashere. One sec, Lucas. Going to get this pulled up. All right. One sec. Here we got Lucas. Boom. Uh chair one. Wow. You're Oh, okay. Wow. They're going for you. You're a vile loathome bottom

Brian Atlasfeeder, but hey, congratulations. You're 32nd. No, Lucas. Come on. Be nice. Uh, Pratt justifying this man's immolation just fostered the creation of a

Brian Atlas100,000 new misogynist. Whoa, wait. The net negative now that you've created. Big net negative there, Jazz. Uh, okay. We have Clay here. I'm not sure I have the energy for this panel tonight,

Brian Atlasespecially chair one and two. Their combined IQ is less than their combined age. A degree does not denote intelligence. Pilots don't need a degree. Okay, thank you, Clay. Good to see you in the chat. Do you want to respond to Clay here? really quick. Me?

Brian AtlasYeah. Do you have a you want to shoot shots back at him or um No, thank you though. Okay. Uh we have Cha. Men are liberal or leftists largely as a mating strategy. Rather

Brian Atlasthan pursuing physical excellence in tradition, they tell silly girls like you what you want to hear in an attempt to uh f you. It got changed. But uh have you ever been bamboozled where you're

Jasmine (Jazz)like this guy, a guy lied to you and he was like, "Oh yeah, I voted for Camala." Not that extremely, but I do feel like sometimes they hide their views. Yeah. Men really say they're leftist to bang a

Jasmine (Jazz)chick. Is that what he's saying? That is what like really they'll share their zodiac. I've never had a guy do that. The zodiac. Yeah. They'll be like, I'm an Aries. Like, you know, let me take you home. All right. We have Josh Brooks

Brian Atlashere. Hey, good to see you, man. Is she to be expected to take care of the home invader? New challenge unlocked. slide back the pistol cartridge receiver and lock it in place. You know what? Me and Jazz probably agree with that. I don't

Brian Atlasthink um me personally, I think it's a very outdated gender role that men should be willing to sacrifice their life for women. I'm on board with the feminist on this. I would actually if I was dating a woman, I would use her as a

Brian Atlasmeat shield. In fact, you're lying. I will I will take my girlfriend. And but as a feminist, you would have to agree that this is going to be like that's really my life for yours. Yeah.

Brian AtlasNo, that's like really Yeah, that's like why can't we just as you're dying you can be like oh my god he's such a feminist you'd be you'd be like yes I died for it no protecting the woman

Amy Jefferswould be more extreme feminism would be more feminist yeah but I no I I get what you when it comes to a gun who knows how to use it that's my question now see I know how to use it so you know if a guy if I'm with a guy he doesn't know how to

Brian Atlasuse it I'll be like just lay there I'll handle it no what this is what I'm going to do so I can continue living my life. I would be like, "Okay, Jazz. Uh, I'm going to jump out the window. You go and take care." How much you like 100

Savannah Stonepounds? 90 97. Sorry. Did that is that insulting if is it? It's just not relevant. It's a little misogynistic. Brian, how is it? Better watch out. You better watch out.

Brian AtlasWay more heavier and bigger than us. Jazz is my bodyguard. I'm going to send her down to take care of the the 200 lb home invader. She She's, you know, you could just with these things, right? Would you want your man to know how to

Jasmine (Jazz)use a gun? Fist, man. Let's Yeah, I think we would both have to know. I would cuz what if I'm alone at home? Yeah. Well, yeah. But I didn't know if that was a forced gender role. You get a gun and you learn jiu-jitsu. Men are more likely to know how to handle a

Brian Atlasweapon. Yeah. And I think that's as they should be. That's a really misogynistic statement. No, it's because of the structure of gender. Like I think women are just as capable of they are, but we

Jasmine (Jazz)don't allow them in those spaces to do so. Come on. Women can. Do you have a gun? You have to take way more initiative rather than men just kind of let's go shoot. You know, you know what I'm saying? Different hobbies, but

Brian Atlasthat's not nature. It's nurture. Are you married to gather? We have Christopher Scott. Well, let's see. For 20 plus years, society, mainly feminists, have told men we are monsters and predators.

Brian AtlasOh man, it's been going on for longer than that. But, uh, such as unal alive. Yep. Unal alive all men. That's how misandry hurts men. I mean, I can think of a whole bunch of things. Like, for example, there's way more. I think there I don't know what the distribution of

Brian Atlaspediatricians is. Uh and I mean you I don't know if this is totally gendered but like circumcision uh one with all these female pediatricians suggesting that there be circumcision this is male

Brian Atlasgenital mutilation. Um I thought that was religious like a religious I mean it's like it's pretty uh I don't think like hospitals when there's a newborn and they're going to circumcise the

Julie (SPC DT244)child. I don't think they're You believe in uncut? Well, I I think there are. It was originally. It was origin. You believe in uncut day, but but not currently. That's we love all day. There you go. Who cares? But then and then if

Brian Atlasyou look at the single motherhood rate, the single mothers are almost unilaterally all having their child their uh boy uh babies genitals mutilated in like the United States.

Jasmine (Jazz)Yeah, in the United States. What's the What is that like a real statistic? Yeah, it's a cultural health. My sister didn't do that to her kids. I don't think that's true. Health, that's what they say. And it's a cultural thing. In

Julie (SPC DT244)Europe, they don't. Unless you decline it, they're going to have you in the procedure. A lot of British boys do not have cut dicks. But I when it comes to the comparisons

Brian Atlasbetween misogyny and misandry, this is what's always confusing. So it's like when I think of like misogyny and misandry, I'm thinking more so about verbal statements, but like so what what exactly would be categorized? So are you

Brian Atlassaying like if somebody exhibits misogynistic tendencies, what is going to be the downstream effects of that in terms of like actual negative impacts? And I can think of a whole bunch. I mean I always try to categorize that

Brian Atlasspecifically with words both on the misogyny side and the misandry side. But I mean there's plenty of actual downstream negative impacts as it relates to Missandry I would say. Yeah.

Jasmine (Jazz)Well, his example was a hashtag unal aliveall men and I think that's I mean unless I'm unaware of some sort of genocide or mass murder of men all of a

Jasmine (Jazz)sudden perpetrated by women. Um, so I think the extent of women on male on men violence is um a hashtag. That seems to be the extent of

Brian Atlasit rather than in our reality women are being murdered by men on well. So I think if we're if we're going back to the original example though where this woman lit this man on fire, I would

Brian Atlasargue that feminist rhetoric, misandric rhetoric in society, either through the classroom, most universities have like a feminist studies program, everything you

Brian Atlassee online, in media, in uh in the government, news, journalism, there's a very there's a very heavy feminist bent.

Brian AtlasMhm. And I would say that that would that would lead to situations where because of the narratives as it relates to if you try

Brian Atlasto paint something as uh like oh my god this this specific form of bigotry is completely egregious and in order to

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