Feminist ACCUSES Him Of MlSOGYNY?! RAGE QUIT?! She Went FERAL?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #244

Date: 2025-05-26

Duration: 9h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJasmine (Jazz)>

LLauren Selby >

SSavannah Stone >

JJulie (SPC DT244)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amy Jeffers(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren Selby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Julie (SPC DT244)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Nasica(guest)

SPEAKER_11Carla Leto(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jasmine (Jazz)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Savannah Stone(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyJazz: burning misogynistic man could be 'net positive' for society

Key MomentAndrew Wilson joins as call-in guest

Key MomentAndrew donates $3,000 for Savannah Stone honeymoon

ControversyJazz accuses Brian and Andrew of misogyny

OtherAndrew Wilson departs the show

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Jazz (feminist), Savannah Stone (married, anti-feminism), Carla Leto (LMFT).

Woman Sets Man on Fire

News article: woman set boyfriend on fire after misogynistic comment.

Feminism/Gender Liberation

Jazz defends feminist views. Accused burning man of being "net positive."

Andrew Wilson Joins

Call-in. Debates Jazz on marriage, commitment, feminism. Donates $3K for Savannah.

Jazz Accuses Misogyny

Directly accuses Brian and Andrew of being misogynistic.

Body Count Discussion

Final topic.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasDisclaimer. The views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age,

Jasmine (Jazz)occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead. Um, I'm Jasmine. I'm 23 from Georgia. I'm a

Jasmine (Jazz)bartender, and I have my bachelor's in political science and economics. Are you going for your masters or I am. Okay. In what? In economics, most

Brian Atlaslikely. Okay. What university? Uh, I went to Georgia Southern. Georgia. Is that in Atlanta or? No, South Georgia. Okay, got it. All right. And you Sorry, you said political science and

Erica Perryeconomics. You said yes. You have a minor in economics. Okay. Gotcha. What about you? Hi everybody. I'm Erica Perry. People also call me ET. I'm 30 years old. I'm from Orange County,

Erica PerryCalifornia. And I'm an independent music artist. I released my debut album this year. You can find on Spotify. Alpha Music. Yeah. also on my Instagram. Phone

Brian Atlashome baby et and did you uh where are you from again? Orange County. Always always from OC OC baby. Okay. Any school? I dropped out

Erica Perryfrom Cal State Long Beach cuz they tried to make me get the Oh, the the Fouchy Ouchi. Yeah, they would they wouldn't let me register for my second semester. I'm like [ __ ] no.

Erica PerrySo you Wait, but you're 30, right? Did you do like university? did like seven year like many years of community college cuz I didn't know what my major was going to be. Did you get an associates degree? Yeah. What was your associates degree in? Communication.

Erica PerryComm. Okay. I know. It's like throw that in the toilet. Um it's And but so you went back to school. You were going to get your bachelor's, but then you No, I was I took like many years in community

Erica Perrycollege. I just like took my dandy time. But you you said you went back a bit more recently. No, that I was in

Erica Perrycommunity college for like so I started for what 22 and then in 2021 um I was in Cal State Long Beach and

Brian Atlasthen they wouldn't let me register for 2022. Okay, got it. And you're a singer. Let's uh hear something. Oh, [ __ ] Where's your guitar? Get your guitar. I

Erica Perryknow, right? All right. This is my original. It's called Pop It.

Erica PerryIs that part of it? The Yeah, like little little I like it. Go ahead. Continue. Continue. Go ahead. I'm literally gaining such anxiety. I have Can we like go back?

Brian AtlasHold on. Go back. You You were on American Idol in front of Katie Perry and I don't know who else is was signing. For some reason, I have more anxiety in front of you and I don't know

Erica Perrywhy. I think it's because I saw an I saw Andrew's name on like the whole title and that Well, he's not here yet, but he's tuned in. I'm shaking thinking about it. You're You're literally shaking. She's literally scared of you,

Brian AtlasAndrew, if you're watching. He's not He's not watching and his wife. Oh my god. I was watching like Yeah, there's some Yeah, but you were Okay. You were on American Idol. You were in front of Katy Perry and I don't know who's the other guy. That was the first time I

Erica Perryever sang in front of people. Okay. No one knew I sang. That was like my deep secret. All right, here's number two. Go ahead. Okay, everyone. This is called Pop

Brian AtlasIt. Okay, I can't I can't go to the next person. Ready? Get her Get her a shot of the tequila she gifted. No, I'm just kidding. Wait, can you take a shot with me? I don't uh Brian, come on. We're here. If somebody

Erica Perrypops a ball of If somebody pops a ball of champagne, TTS, so Brian will take shots with me. Okay. $200 for a shot. Okay. Uh disagree. Disagree with the pricing. It's valid. Uh All right. What

Amy Jeffersabout you? I'm Amy Jeffers. I'm from Mantika, California. It's about 5 hours north of here. And um I'm a medical assistant. Uh I don't do that anymore.

Amy JeffersOkay. So, I didn't want to do the ouchie. Yeah. So, now I just help take care of my father who's recovering from cancer. He's still going through his

Brian Atlascancer treatment though. And I do Only Fans. Age? 52. 52. Okay. And any education, college, anything like that? Associates degree. All right. in from

Brian Atlashere. Is it in healthcare or? Yeah. Okay. Cuz you said you got I got it back in 2012 when I graduated. When I graduated. Okay. Associate. What's the associate associate? Associate in

Lauren Selbyscience. Okay. For medical assisting. All right. What about you? I Lauren Selby. I'm 40. I'm a personal chef. I'm from Huntington Beach. Uh I have a

Brian Atlasbachelor's in culinary management. And yeah, that's it. All right. Nothing special. any education or you said bachelor's in culinary management. It was okay. Got it. From uh

Savannah Stonewhich university or was it like a art institute? Oh, okay. Got it. Santa. What about you? Savannah Stone. I'm from Florida. I'm 19 years old. I'm a social

Brian Atlasmedia influencer and I have a high school diploma. All right. Any plans to go to college or anything like that? Nope. I think it's a scam. Just There you go. Thinks it think it's a scam. Okay.

Julie (SPC DT244)Maybe some uh you two might tangle on that one. Um what about you? I'm Julie. I'm 45. I uh went to Cal State University of Long Beach. I have a

Julie (SPC DT244)bachelor's in psychology and also my education specialist credential. Um I'm from the outer parts of LA. Um I currently I recent recently went back to

Julie (SPC DT244)teaching and I also am an administrative assistant for a private ministry. Um we do commercial investments. We help people in the uh private sector. So

Julie (SPC DT244)everything we do is in the private. Um we do investments with commercial paper. Um so if there's any people with lots of money or any Only Fans ladies who would like to invest um there's a lot of money

Brian Atlasto be made in that arena. Wait, you said it's through a ministry? Yes. Wait, you want only fans girls to invest through you or what? So one of the ways of um

Julie (SPC DT244)operating in in business in the private sector would be to have uh something called a private membership association. So basically you're operating out of

Julie (SPC DT244)your um your first amendment rights which is through your religious uh freedom. Mhm. And so when you operate that way instead of taking payments you

Julie (SPC DT244)take donations. And so it allows you to be tax-free. Um there's lots of great ways to operate um that put you in a

Julie (SPC DT244)favorable position when it comes to business and taxes and many many things. Um so yes um it isn't necessarily a ministry in the way that people might

Julie (SPC DT244)consider it that way. It's tax evasion. It's not tax evasion. Taxes are actually voluntary. Um but you can't you can't just well you can't just not Wait, are

Julie (SPC DT244)you sovereign citizen? I'm not a sovereign citizen. Okay. However, um operating in the private puts you in

Julie (SPC DT244)particular positions, but you cannot just opt out of um paying taxes is is what I'm saying. You have to do it in a particular way. Got it. Okay. But you said that uh what what's the involvement? You mentioned Only Fans

Julie (SPC DT244)girls. What's the involvement with Do you work directly with Only Fans Girls or No, not at all. I just put that out there since oftent times there's uh several guests um who say that they make a lot of money and um if that's

Julie (SPC DT244)something that they wanted to do to protect their assets. I didn't mean it that way but um it would be an option so I just threw that out there. Wait, so the income generated you're saying an

Brian Atlasonly fans girl could generate income but if they set up uh like an organization in such a way that they their only fans income would not be taxed. There are particular ways to operate um so that

Julie (SPC DT244)they're well uh not necessarily because with with for their situation um they are going through a particular entity and that entity is in the public sector

Julie (SPC DT244)um but you could take the money you make and invest um and make money in that in that realm. Okay. What about you? My name is Carla Leto. I'm a licensed

Carla Letomarriage and family therapist in Los Angeles, California, and a relationship coach and the author of the book Outsmarting Egoomaniacs: How to Respond

Carla Letoto Narcissists and Master Manipulators. Got it. Uh age 50. All right. And uh education um two master's degrees in psychology.

Carla Letoboth of them in psychology or are there is like subcategory or Yeah, one is um one was an academic based um on route to a doctorate and then I changed my mind

Carla Letoand did a clinical um emphasis in marriage and family to be licensed as a therapist. And you're a marriage therapist or relationship therapist?

Brian AtlasYeah, psychotherapist. Um and I specialize in relationship issues. What's the uh there's like a title? Not LMFT. LMFT. What does that stand for? It's licensed and family therapy. Okay.

NasicaGot it. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Welcome. What about you? Hi, my name is Nasica. I'm 19 years old and I'm currently studying pre-business at UC

NasicaRiverside, but I'm originally from San Francisco, California. And I'm also a content creator in the fitness niche. All right. What do you do with uh the fitness stuff? I just like I post my

Nasicaworkouts. I post like inspirational videos. I post lots of mind like self-growth and stuff like that, too. Okay, got it. All right, welcome everybody. We're going to go around the

Brian Atlastable once more. What is your current relationship status? If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Go ahead. Uh, currently

Jasmine (Jazz)single. Last relationship I was in was about 2 years ago, and it was also my longest relationship, about 3 years. All right. And the three-year relationships, the

Brian Atlasones that ended two years ago. Yes. Who broke up with who? Um, I think by the end of it, it was mutual. By the end it was mutual. Okay. Uh, was it ever on and

Brian Atlasoff at any points? How many times was it off? Um, two. Two times. Yes. Okay. Uh, of the times it was off, who initiated those? Was it you or him? I did the

Brian Atlasfirst time and then he did the second time. Got it. Okay. Were you guys uh what were the breaks in between the during the long periods? Yeah. Um I'd

Brian Atlassay 3 months for the first one and maybe similar for the second. Got it. Okay. Uh was there any infidelity in the

Erica Perryrelationship? No. No. Okay. What about you? Um I'm so sorry. Can you repeat the question? Relationship status. Oh, I'm

Erica Perrysingle. How long have you been single? That's up for negotiation. But so I was in a relationship for three years and we were hooking up for four years and we

Erica Perrystopped talking to each other in July last year. So we've been no contact for almost a year. No contact for almost a year. It's so terrible. He blocked me.

Brian AtlasUh so you would you say you've been single for a year? Sure. But there's Okay. Well, we'll get into that. Uh longest relationship him. Three years. Three years. Okay. Who

Erica Perrybroke up with who? He broke up with me. Okay. Why is that? Um multitude of reasons. Um first one being his friends and family did not

Erica Perrylike me. Why was that? Why? Because of my past. What about your past? I was a sex worker in the past. But like he knew from the get- go. Like the first day we met, I told him he didn't care. When you

Brian Atlassay sex worker, what kind of sex work? Stripper. escort. Okay. Uh, and the other reason he broke up with you was because you refused to serenate him. Is that was he used to? Yeah. You refused to serenate him,

Erica PerryBrian. I know. Okay. No, it was because so he let his friends and family get to his head and um he started coming up with like his own reasons, I would

Brian Atlasguess. And he said I had no motivation, no drive. And yeah, that's why. Okay. and um uh your

Brian Atlaspast. So you said dancing, escorting. Yeah. How many different uh I guess clients did you have when it came to escorting? How many different Yeah. How many clients did you have? How many?

Brian AtlasYeah. Clients. Oh, I I don't know. Cuz most like they weren't like all sexual like Yeah. If it's like Sugar Baby, but I I

Erica PerryOh, I couldn't count on my hand. I'm so sorry. I exact number. You think it was over 100? Oh, not at that time. No, no, before. In total. In total. Before him, it was definitely less than 100. After

Brian Atlashim, can't say the same. Are you currently uh involved in sex work? No, I'm unemployed. Unemployed. Okay. Uh, when's the last time you were involved in sex work of

Brian Atlasany kind? Last year. Last year. And you were escorting or? Yeah, just dates. No sex. Just dates. So, sugar sugar baby sugar. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And sugar

Erica Perrydaddies. How many sugar daddies have you had in total? I I I'm so sorry. I'm not trying to not give you an exact number. I genuinely do not know. Well, I don't need a precise

Brian Atlasnumber, but you could say like over 50 over Oh, it's had to be hundreds. Oh, in the hundreds. Okay. Yeah. Got it. All right. And uh Okay. Threeear relationship single

Brian Atlasfor one year. in this one year. Uh, are you is there currently a guy in the picture? No, I mean I have a like a roster. You have a roster. How big is

Erica Perrythe roster currently? It's slimmed down definitely cuz to what? So I'm only like sleeping with one person right now. How many people are you dating right now? Dating? Yeah.

Brian AtlasLike nine. Okay. Yeah. Uh, dating nine. Yeah. And then some go off the roster, new ones come in. Uh, at its peak throughout your whole life, how

Erica Perrybig has the roster been? Um, so right now I really enjoy my roster of men. They're like super kind to me. In the past they were terrible.

Brian AtlasSure. These ones this year it's like so refreshing. 2025 brought like the best the best. Yeah. The best of the best. But in the past I don't. Yeah. What's the Has it ever been like 15? Has it

Erica Perryever been 20 of the roster? Oh, probably. What's the biggest? 30. Brian, you're giving me mathematical questions. I I don't know the exact

Erica Perrynumber, but I know the I was so I used to do a lot of Xanax, so I don't I don't No, I'm I'm being dead ass. Like I was like I was

Erica Perrylike I used to do drugs and I used to too. No, like I was criminally addicted and I'm not anymore. Have you Have you been to rehab? Yes. How many times? Once. I

Erica Perryleft after one day cuz it was a bunch of heroin addicts and like it just didn't fit in. You didn't fit in with the They were scary. They were like And not to be No, I'm not judging heroin addicts. No.

Brian AtlasNo. But like the rehab I got sent to was like kind of low um low income cuz like it was on my medical. You wanted the bougie rehab. I wanted Malibu Retreat. Yeah. Why didn't you go to Malibu

Erica PerryRetreat? Cuz I don't have my mom's not rich like that. Uh, one of the sugar daddies could have paid for it. No, he got shot and I had to go to rehab. Sorry, this is I'm getting so deep so fast. Which one of the multiple of your

Erica Perrysugar daddies got shot? My I had a main sugar daddy. Main sugar daddy got shot. Yes, he got shot. So, he was in the hospital. How did he get How's How old was the sugar daddy? He was So, at the

Erica Perrytime I was 20 and he was 41. How was he? How did he get shot? Why did he Yes. Good question. Why was Oh my god. Probably shouldn't say this. I have people are probably Okay, whatever. Who

Erica Perrycares? You got people in the streets. No, you're watching this. You going to snitch? You can't snitch. There are ops out here. Brian, the ops out here. The ops out. Don't snitch. But no, he was like very involved in the cannabis

Erica Perryindustry. Not in like the low stratosphere. Like he was one of the um pioneers what you would see the commercialization right now. And um yeah, he was just like an [ __ ] to a lot of people. Had a lot of enemies. And yeah, so I was with him when he got shot

Erica Perrythe first time. You were there? Yeah, he got shot. I had a gun away. Yeah, hold on. [Music] Shot the first time. So, he got shot the second time. The second time he got

Brian Atlasmurdered. Yeah, he's dead. Like, I can't say that. Oh. Oh my god. I'm so sorry. Are you going to take me off? No, he's unive alive. It's fine. No, it's fine. It's fine. I'm actually so sorry. Like,

Erica Perryit's okay. You're fine. You're fine. It's not a big deal. Um, okay. Were you there when he got No, not the when he got alive. Un alive? No. No. The first time. Yes. I had a gun to my head.

Erica PerryHe was in the legal cannabis industry. Yes. Well, so before it became legalized, it's what you know there was a gray area. Sorry, I'm not speaking to the mic. My bad. That's fine. Um, so

Brian AtlasOkay. Uh, and then you were also addicted to Xanax and then you went to rehab and like mommy and Yeah, it was like poverty rehab. It was low income because I had like Kaiser

Erica PerryPermanente. Yes. Wait, it wasn't Malibu Retreats. There wasn't celebrities. It was like Yeah. people that had like, you know, before you get veneers, the little nubs. Do you have Do you have veneers? No. I've never I don't have veneers. Not

Erica Perryto like mention, but I think people who have veneers don't brush their teeth. I think they go the op out so they can like have bad breath probably. Or not. So I'm saying they didn't brush your teeth. That's why they have Yes. that they didn't brush their teeth so they

Brian Atlasgot veneers. So the original question though was uh how big was the roster to which you said I don't remember I was on Xanax. Oh my god. We gotten like a whole spiral do you think? But they're

Brian Atlasprobably windows of last year. Okay. You're probably like lucid during periods. Well, how often are you going on the dates? Oh, at at its peak. Like I

Erica Perrydon't do sugar dates this year. I'm I'm dating for fun now. She's dating for fun. Oh, wait. No, no. I take that back. I have I had one the guy that was just like giving me money. I've never met him in person. Oh, wait. No, I have two.

Brian AtlasSorry. And so, um, would you say maybe like at its peak maybe the roster was 20? Yeah, something like that. Something like that. Okay. A little bit of this and that. Going back to you, Jazz here really quick, you said you've been single for two years, but are there

Brian Atlascurrently like any guys in the picture or anything? Currently, no. Currently no. And excuse me, in the past two years, have you had any situationships or anything? Yes. Uh what's I guess have you had like 3 months 6 month

Jasmine (Jazz)situationship in the past? Um I'd say 3 months. The most recent was just a month long. Mhm. And that ended last week. So ended last week. Okay. So that's pretty fresh. Yeah. How you upset about it? No,

Jasmine (Jazz)I'm good. You're good. Who ended it? Or was it like a mutual ghost? So I found out that he had a girlfriend of seven years. Seven? Yeah. And they had just bought a house together in January. Good

Jasmine (Jazz)times. So I was just Yeah. So, I blocked him and let her know and yeah, it's over. Good time. Oh, you contacted the Oh, yeah. Immediately. Yeah. Good times.

Jasmine (Jazz)Wait, what did she say? She Did she know? I don't want to air their drama, but she like called him first and talked to him for 4 hours before talking to me about it. Oh, so he manipulated her.

Jasmine (Jazz)Yes. Yeah. There it goes. Uh, and so are you on dating apps currently? Um, I haven't logged on since then. Okay. Since before

Brian AtlasI met him. No guys in the picture. No. Nothing. Okay. No prospects. It's been a week. No prospects? No. All right. And uh, have you ever had a roster? Um,

Jasmine (Jazz)that's like a high school thing. I feel like at least for me. Like Yeah. For me, I'm very immature. I'm a 30-year-old 15year-old. No. No. Yeah. ET. How do you feel about that?

Jasmine (Jazz)She's saying that it's okay. doing some high school [ __ ] with your nine deep I just I just haven't talked to more than one guy at a time in like a very long time I think. Okay, so you you one

Erica Perryperson at a time. Wait, how old are you again? 23. Oh, you're soated. No, thank you. Wait, what are you? What do you mean? I look like they My dad's black and my mom's white. Oh, yeah.

Brian AtlasYou're very exotic looking. I like it. Thank you. Beautiful. Is she allowed to say that? Um, is she allowed to call? Everyone says it like, but like hold on. If a white guy was

Jasmine (Jazz)like, "Wow, you're so exotic. Wouldn't you raise an eyebrow?" Yeah, it happens all the time. Really? Is that offensive? I No, it's not offensive. It just makes me feel like So, what do you prefer? Just beautiful. No, I Right. Yeah. Like, why can't they just give like a normal

Erica Perrycompliment? I feel like Well, cuz like Okay. I get I I didn't No, I don't hate it from you either. I didn't realize that it was like No, I think it's weird from guys. Like genuinely just from guys. M white guys looking at you too

Carla Letofrom the side you guys look like you could be related. Is that because you think that like if they think that you're beautiful and exotic that your beauty is a fetish and not just beauty?

Brian AtlasExactly. Okay. All right. Uh what about Oops, that pen just flew out of there. Uh what about you? I've been single for about two and a half years. All right.

Amy JeffersUm currently no men in the picture. Okay. Longest relationship. Actually, it was this one. This last one. Yeah. How long was that? Eight years. Eight years. Were you

Amy Jeffersmarried? Yeah, I've been married three times. Married three times. Okay. Any kids? One. One kid. Is that from your first, second, or third marriage? None of them. That was actually an oopsie. It

Brian Atlaswas a friend with benefits. Okay. And uh your uh how old were you when you had your uh is it daughter song? Daughter. Daughter. She's uh she's 15. 15. Okay.

Brian AtlasSo, you had her 37? 37. Yes. Yeah. And that Okay. So, give me the the chronological order of the three marriages. So, uh when how old were you when you first got married? First time

Brian Atlas17. 17. And how long were you married for? About two years. Two years. And then who initiated the divorce? I did. I was getting physically abused. And then your second marriage, how old were you?

Amy JeffersI was about 20. 20. Okay. So, not too long after the end of your first marriage. How long were it was your second marriage? Uh well we were like married

Amy Jefferslike agreeable married for about maybe five months and then he was in the Navy so then all of a sudden we lost contact and back then that was before cell phones and even computers

Amy Jeffersreally I mean people had computers but they weren't like mainstream. This was way back in like 939 93. Yes. Okay. And he was in the Navy. I was in Guam. That's where I met him and

Amy JeffersYeah. like you. I was an exotic dancer years ago. Oh, what were you doing in Guam? Dancing. In Guam? Yeah, they have clubs out there. Yeah, it's a big naval station, Air Force base, too out there.

Amy JeffersMhm. Uh, so how long were you married to him? We were only Well, legally, as far as dates, from 93 till about 90, beginning of 94. So, about a year. Okay.

Brian AtlasA little over a year. Got it. Yeah. But you separated prior to that? Yes. Yes. And then uh so you were what? You were 20. I was 20 when I when I married him and then 21 and then the third one I was

Amy Jeffers22 when I married third marriage 22. How long did that last? Uh about 6 months I realized I wasn't in love with the guy. I loved him as a friend but I wasn't in love with him. Got it. Yeah.

Amy JeffersAnd and I I thought maybe you know down the road I can have maybe a kid or two and try to do that love thing and I'm like no no no. Sure. And that that was another thing. I didn't want to have kids right then,

Brian Atlastoo. And he was really wanting to start having babies and I'm like, "No, I'm not ready for this yet." Got it. And you said that. Okay. That lasted And sorry, you were 22. Mhm. Okay. And that one

Brian Atlaslasted And you divorced him? You initiated the divorce? Yes, I initiated. So, you initiated all three of the divorces? All three of them. Yes. And uh have you been proposed to since? Yes. But are you uh did you like the guys but

Amy Jeffersyou just already been through it and you didn't want to get married again? Uh at the time when my last engagement that I had I he wanted to I wanted to but it just

Amy Jeffersit was like bad timing. He was going through some legal crap and he wanted me to move where he was and he actually got in trouble where I was living. So, we were like, "Okay, well,

Amy Jeffersif you're going to have to do any kind of jail time, why would I want to move up there if I'm going to have to come and visit you here?" So, I decided, "Okay, I'm done. Just take your ring back and you can just go your own way." And uh you said you were a sex worker.

Brian AtlasWas it just the dancing you were doing? Just dancing. No escorting. No escorting. Just dancing. You currently do Only Fans, though. Is that correct? Okay. And uh you said you had one kid

Brian Atlasthat was she's she's 15. Uh, and it was from a one night stand, you said, or No, we're friends with benefits. Yeah. Yeah, he actually owns Is he in the Is he in the picture at all with No. No. No. Does

Brian Atlashe pay child support? Yes. How much? Just out of curiosity, how much does he pay in child support? Close to about 600 a month. 600 a month. And of course, he [ __ ] about that, too. Okay. And uh for your marriages, did you receive any

Amy Jeffersalimony from any of them or No. No. Cuz they were pretty short, so I don't think Well, that that and I didn't even ask for it because I didn't want something to be tied to either. Right. And I even gave back my rings and everything to him, too. I wasn't even going to hold on

Brian Atlasto that [ __ ] Go. Just take it. All right. And uh you said you've been single for two and a half years. No guys in the picture. Okay. No. All right.

Lauren SelbyWhat about you? I'm single. All right. Longest relationship? Four years. Four years. Okay. Um with my son's dad. We

Brian Atlaskind of That's been 10 years. Um, 10 years you've been with him like No, 10 years ago I met him. Okay. So, how old you have one kid? Yeah. How old's your

Brian Atlaskid? Almost eight. Almost eight. Uh, how long you been single? Six. Six years. Yeah. Uh, was that when that was the end of your four-year

Brian Atlasrelationship with the Yeah. father of your uh correct son? Correct. Who broke up with who?

Lauren SelbyI mean, I I was done. I tried to get rid of him. He wouldn't leave and then, you know, we'd fight a lot. So,

Lauren Selbyum I had to get a restrain order for him to get out and uh it's just kind of spiral. When you say he wouldn't leave, were you guys living together? Yes. Was

Lauren Selbyit a like you guys were sharing? We were actually living at my mom's house. He and he wouldn't leave. Yeah. Yes. Great. So, you had to evict him or Excuse me.

Lauren SelbyYou had to get him evicted cuz he was legally a tenant. Correct. Well, yeah. Correct. Mhm. But he was he was lazy. Well, I don't want to say anything

Lauren Selbybad about my son's dad. That's fine. Yet. Yet. Okay. Give me a couple hours. Uh, so for the past six years though, have you dated at all? Like a threemon nothing, but honestly,

Lauren Selbyno. Not really. Okay. Roster's dry. Roster's dry. Yeah, I'm My ho phase is done. The hoof phase is done. Ho phase has been done for a while. There was a hoof phase. Of course. Yes. Going back

Lauren Selbythis way. All girls have a ho. Yes, I worked in it. Of course. Yes, I worked in a club. I did things. Ho phase. Any girl who says they don't have a hose face is a liar. You're a liar. I wasn't

Jasmine (Jazz)a Uber, but I was model. No, I agree. Have you had the hoes, Jazz? Um, not. How are we defining hoe? Exactly. A trumpet. I don't know that trumpet. I've

Jasmine (Jazz)had moments where I've gone on like many dates, like first dates. That can be thing. Yeah, that's like the furthest my Whatever your sense of hoof phase is

Brian Atlaslike describe the hoof phase. You're like you were just went uh going on like three dates a week, four dates a week, five dates a week. Oh, that's a bit much. I'd say like three a month. Okay.

Brian Atlasjust like whenever the opportunity came like sure I'll go on a date and then I just one of us wasn't interested and so that would be your whole phase like three dates. Okay. And wait you said you

Brian Atlaswere involved in you were a dancer. I did. Yeah. Uh and then you said other things too. Escorting. No, she didn't do that. No, not technically escorting. just uh what was the it seemed like

Lauren Selbyyou're saying or suggesting there was just meeting people at the club and doing extra things. Not really. I don't know. I don't know. At the the strip

Lauren Selbyclub. Uhhuh. In the strip club. Was it the champagne room or whatever? No. The champagne room. What the No. What happens in the champagne room stays in the champagne

Lauren Selbyroom. But sometime like couples would come up and want me to go hang out with them like a unicorn. Dorkies that never I don't know. I don't know. And would

Lauren Selbythey pay you for that? Of course. And I wouldn't even have to do wait stuff. I would like direct them to do stuff. You'd be in the cuck chair like watching crying in the corner. Yeah. Yeah. One time a I'm like let's light some

Lauren Selbycandles. Let's like make it cute. And like the whole room lit up was on fire. Exactly. I know. I was like, "Okay, we're done. Like, I got to go. Things are on fire. All right, that's I ran out

Brian Atlasof there." Yeah, it's fun. All right. Good times. Uh any sugar daddy type stuff or technically? Yeah. Technically, yeah. Yeah. Uh but you you were like you

Brian Atlasdid engage in uh like sexual activity for money. Technically, yeah. I mean, yes. Well, explain it to me, too.

Lauren SelbyI mean, guys would come to the club and then they want, you know, extra things or blowy or dates or just take me to Vegas or whatever. That's what it's

Erica Perrycalled, right? Maybe an HJ. I don't know. Such a cute. You want a flowy H? An HJ. Do you guys want a flowy? Yeah. An HJ or I try to HJ

Erica Perryavoid that all the way. How much is an HJ? Who gives out hand jobs? Well, that's here's the I've said this. I've never sold a hand job. That's crazy. Well, I agree with the first space. I would like here's the thing. I I could

Brian Atlasbe with the most beautiful girl and she's like, "Look, I like you, Brian, but I'm not ready yet. I'll give you a hand job." I'd be like, "I'm good. I'd rather just turn down the hand job."

Erica PerryYou're like, "You're not a I don't want a hand job, though." Wait, can I ask why you don't want a hand job? Cuz it's it's I don't know. That was a girl. Like why?

Lauren SelbyWhy? Start off with the HJ then you work your way up. It's just not like what you don't like the Handies. Yeah, but you're not like on its own. Like if you really

Carla Letoget laid to where you She could be the most beautiful woman in the world and he is into her and like I think that's cool. Like that reflects well on you and I think No, he wants more. Right. But Right. But but he's saying if if we're

Carla Letonot going to be intimate, I don't need you to like do me this thing. like it's okay. It means that you like her, you respect her, and you want to have a good experience. Maybe keep

Carla Letodisag but also the guy who wants a hand job, he just wants to nut. He doesn't care about the girl and he's like, "Okay, give me a hand job then." That that's not about But that's what they want. That's what they go there for. And

Carla LetoI'm saying Brian wants the three course. There's a place in time. There's nothing wrong with that. But I just think it's cool that you want I just think it's cool that you want the connection and not the hand job. That's Thank you very much for the endorsement.

Lauren SelbyThat's great framing. I love the framing on that. It's sponsored by whatever framing. The framing I think it's more like being a tip. Yeah. You're not like a guy that's going to go search for an

Lauren SelbyHJ. Like you're actually probably a decent person. It's a You know what I mean? I I guess guys do those things and and search for I think you guys are being a little too charitable here. You

Brian Atlasguys are being a little charitable. Giving out H. Brian want H. It's not because I'm like this wholesome guy. It's just like you are. Well, okay. A

Brian Atlaslittle bit. But but like a Yo, chat. Yeah. How many? All that's on the table is a hand job. Would you rather just not get the hand job? I'd rather just not get the hand job. I think it's a

Jasmine (Jazz)self-report. Self-report. Wait, how's that not that into the girl? No, I'm telling you. She could be I hear you. I'm saying I think it's a self-report. She could be She could be like, "If I

Nasicadon't give you one, it's over." I'm like I'm like, "Good. I don't want one. Goodbye." So, why don't you want one, though? Like, why would you rather just

Jasmine (Jazz)not have it? It's just Well, she gets free. Or maybe she gets too comfortable with just doing just that and not do anything for me, you know? Yeah, I guess if you're just not into that. Say less.

Brian AtlasI get you. You're not doing it right. No, it's just Anyways, let me What is the chat saying? What's the chat saying? I'm so curious. I want to see what they read their comments. Mary, you can put on hit the live. Do you see where or not

Brian Atlasgo? Don't hit go live, but you see next to starred where it says live. Streamlabs. Streamyard. Yeah, I love Streamyard. It's, you know, where the pullups where you pull up the

Brian Atlaschats right here. No, just Oh, man. I got to pull. Okay. Yeah. Hit hit that. Uh, people are saying pass. Pass. No.

Jasmine (Jazz)HJ. No. No. No. Uh, no. Yeah. Chat, get that head for me. Fine. That's Oh, that's a good point. What did he say? Someone said, "No one's giving me an HJ better than

Erica PerryI'm doing it myself." Said that. Mhm. That's the real reason. Yeah, that's actually a that's a good point. You guys are boring. You know, guys like can go jack off to somebody. The chat agrees with me. All right.

Brian AtlasWell, someone also said Brian, stop talking. They did say that. Don't listen over that jazz. You should You should see what they've been saying, don't you?

Brian AtlasSo, uh Okay, I need to start pulling up these chats. One sec. Uh TTS's one sec. Uh hold on. Actually, I here. Uh, where

Brian Atlaswere we here? Uh, oh, relationship status. Okay, go ahead. Relationship status. I am happily married. Oh, all right. How long have you been married for? A little over a year. And how long

Savannah Stonewere you guys dating before you got married? A year. Okay. Uh, and are you guys like high school sweethearts or how did you guys meet? No, I mean we he was

Savannah Stone20 and I was 17 when we met. So, I was like senior in high school, but we grew up in the same hometown. Okay. Gotcha. And uh are you guys any kids or No, not

Brian Atlasyet. Are you holding off on that a little bit or do you have a plan for when you guys would like to start? I think probably within like one to two years. So I I would like to have kids young. Okay. All right. Can I ask a

Savannah Stonequestion? He met you when he was 20 and you were 17. Yeah. It's not illegal in Florida. You also have parental consent. It's three years. That's like nothing.

Jasmine (Jazz)You're right. You're right. Was he when I got married? No, we both didn't go to school. Yeah, that makes more sense. Like if they're not in college, similar stage of life. Sure. I feel like in the

Brian Atlassouth that's kind of common. Oh, really? Yeah, it's really common in the South. Interesting. Okay. All right. And uh let's see. Is this

Julie (SPC DT244)your longest relationship? Yes. Got it. Okay. All right. What about you? I'm currently in a relationship um for it's been a year. Um, and my longest

Brian Atlasrelationship was 13 years. All right. Uh, were you married? I was. Is it uh only marriage or other marriages? Only marriage. One marriage to the 13 year,

Brian AtlasI'm assuming. Uh, and how long you were together 13 years total or married for 13 years? Uh, together. 13. How long were you married? Nine years. Nine

Julie (SPC DT244)years. Uh, kids? Yes. How many kids? I have a 22year-old and an 11year-old. All right. The 22-year-old, is that from your marriage? No. Um, okay. I was in a

Brian Atlas5-year relationship when I was starting at 19, 19 to 24 and it didn't work out, obviously. So, you had your you got pregnant at 22, 23? 22. 22. And that was

Brian Atlaswith the 5-year relationship. Mhm. All right. And then you said you had a 11-year-old. How uh was that in your

Brian Atlasmarriage? Yes. Got it. Okay. And then uh the hold on getting the timeline here. So fiveyear you have a kid from

Brian Atlasthe 5-year relationship when you were a bit younger. Uh did he pay child support? He did. Okay. You guys went to court or was it just kind of informally

Brian Atlasthrough mediation? Through mediation. Okay. And then how much was he paying? 500 a month from the from the get-go or did it like increase over time? Uh no, it just remained the same. Just

Julie (SPC DT244)remained. Um yeah, just remained the same and primarily my son lived with me. All right. Uh so it was you had full custody um of your for the most part. He

Julie (SPC DT244)he saw his dad um every other weekend and on Wednesdays um and then he got to a certain age and he did not want to go to his dad's anymore. So um he was with

Brian Atlasme. And then your 11-year-old uh same sort of situation. Do you have shared custody or We do. Yes. 50/50. Uh, yes. And we've not gone through the courts. We just take care of it on our

Brian Atlasown and there's no Does he pay you child support? Do you pay him child support? No, it's No, not necessary. Okay. And, uh, what was the other question? Oh, uh, your marriage, does he pay you alimony?

Brian AtlasNo. Okay. Nor would I ask for it. Got it. Uh, who initiated the, uh, divorce? Um, I did essentially. Okay. And your five-year relationship, who

Brian Atlasinitiated the breakup, I guess? Uh, it was mutual. Mutual. And then so you had the 13-ear relationship, the 5-year relationship, any other long relationships or was that it? That's it. Okay. And you've currently been seeing a

Brian Atlasguy for one year? Mhm. All right. And you guys live together? We do not. Do not. Okay. How's that going? It's going well. Going well. Okay.

Brian AtlasCool. And uh what about you? Happily married. Okay. Married. How long have you been married for? Seven years. Seven

Brian Atlasyears. First marriage. Second. Second marriage. How long was your first marriage? My first marriage was eight years.

Carla LetoWas that your longest uh relationship? No, I was the current one. Say the current one is the longest relationship cuz we've been together now for about 11 years. 11 years. The other one though you said was seven years or eight years.

Brian AtlasI married for eight. We were together for 10. 10 years. Okay. Uh the first marriage who initiated the divorce? I did. You did? Okay. Uh was there a reason? Irreconcilable differences or Yeah. You know, we just kind of um

Carla Letodrifted apart. We have a little closer to the mic if you We have very different personalities and just kind of drifted apart. Okay. Gotcha. So, uh you initiated it or I did. You filed for the

Carla Letodivorce. Okay. And uh any other long relationships that weren't either of these two? Um, they would have had to have been in my 20s.

Carla LetoUm, not as long as these, but maybe like a year or a couple of years or three years at the most, maybe at different points. Yeah. You said you have how many kids? I have one daughter. Is that from

Brian Atlasyour current marriage? From my first marriage. Previous marriage. Got it. How old is she? 17. 17. Got it. All right. Uh, from your first marriage, did your ex-husband, uh, does he pay you child

Carla Letosupport? No, he did for a little while until I told him he didn't have to anymore. Okay. Uh, what's the custody arrangement? Is it 50/50 joint?50. He's a great dad. Okay. And, uh, no longer

Brian Atlaspays you child support. Did he pay you alimony at all? Um, yeah. Again, both for a little while until it was no longer needed. Gotcha. Was he the bread winner in the relationship? Yeah. When you were

Carla Letodating. Yeah. I was in graduate school and um he supported me and we came to our own agreement amicably and around the time I got licensed and was moving

Carla Letoin with my current partner before we got married. I didn't need his money so I I told him to stop. Oops. Uh sorry, misclicked something here. Okay. Got it. Thank you for sharing. What about you?

NasicaMy boyfriend and I have been dating for almost a year, and my longest relationship is 2 years. All right. In your 2-year relationship, who broke up

Nasicawith who? Um, it was I broke up with him. Okay. Uh, any reason or Yeah, I found out that he cheated on me. All right. Did you cheat on him at all or

Brian AtlasNo, no, not at all. All right. That's everybody's relationship status. So, we're gonna get into some of the pre-show notes here in just a moment. Let me see if we have any chats we can pull up. Guys, quick reminder, read is

Brian Atlas100, TTS is 200. We got a lot of really great notes that we're going to get into, guys. And reminder, Andrew is going to be calling in uh a little bit. I'm so scared. Yeah, be scared. Be

Brian Atlasterrified. Andrew, I'm scared of you. All right, so uh we're going to react the first thing that we're going to react to, uh Mary, if you can pull up

Brian Atlasthat article. This was kind of going viral and I thought it was interesting.

Brian AtlasAll right. So, here. Pause that. Pause. Pause that video. Pause that video. I don't I don't know what kind of [ __ ] they're going. Okay. Scroll up. 24year-old Australian woman set friend on fire for making misogynistic remark.

Brian AtlasScroll down. You guys might have seen this. Uh, that's good. Keep it there. An Australian woman allegedly allegedly lit her longtime friend on fire because he made a misogynistic remark during a wild

Brian Atlasnight of partying. A court heard earlier this month. Corby, 24, pleaded guilty in court to the arson attack on Jake Loader, 23, saying she felt overwhelmed

Brian Atlasby his antagonistic behavior throughout the night before she was finally set off by a sexist remark he made during a house party in New South Wales last

Brian Atlasyear. According to the ABC, scroll down a little bit. Uh, Loader told her uh, she should, so the misogynistic, the

Brian Atlasalleged misogynistic comment was she should stay in the kitchen making scones if she couldn't handle drinking with the boys, which sent the 24year-old into a

Brian Atlasrage. the court heard. According to the outlet, she grabbed a gallon of gasoline from the garage and dowsed uh the guy with the flammable substance, waving a lighter at him

Brian Atlasthreateningly. Go on, do it. That's a kind of a stupid thing to say. It's like these look, I don't condone I I don't condone violence, but if somebody's like

Brian Atlasthreatening you with a gun, you probably shouldn't say, "Go shoot me, pussy." Like you probably shouldn't taunt or provoke somebody who's got, you know, who's threatening physical violence.

Brian AtlasWhat are you gonna do? Shoot me and then they get the moment. Look, you shouldn't do it, but come on. All right. He was drunk, though, and he had consumed nose

Brian Atlascandy. She confessed. Scroll down. Uh, Wappily then touched him with the lighter, setting him ablaze. Loader sustained burns to 50% of his

Brian Atlasbody and had some of his sweat glands burned off. He was put in a medically induced coma for 8 days after the attack. According to a victim impact statement read in court, he required 10

Brian Atlasoperations and spent 74 days in a burn unit at a Melbourne hospital. According to the statement, scroll down a bit. Uh suffered burns. The friend

Brian Atlasuh he can't step outside because of the damage. Uh she had been I guess take drinking and taking

Brian Atlassubstances. Uh the she claimed she was pushed to the edge due to his misogynistic

Brian Atlascomments. Uh tried to wrestle with her. The [ __ ] And was being antagonistic throughout the night. She feels

Brian Atlashorrible. Remorseful. Scroll down. Uh, all right. Uh, scroll down. I find it very hard to believe the

Brian Atlasinjuries that were caused was from my doing. I mean, you lit the dude on fire. She pleaded guilty to one charge of burning or maming by using corrosive fluid. So, she's back in court this

Brian Atlasmonth for sentencing. So, I want to go around the table on this, get the penalty reaction. So, the allegations here are he was making throughout the course of the night various misogynistic comments, get back in the

Jasmine (Jazz)kitchen, something like that, and then she lit him on fire. Do you think that's uh I think that's an appropriate think it's a fair response starting with you going around the table? Um, I think if he's less

Jasmine (Jazz)misogynistic now, it's probably a net positive, but if he's not, I'd say it's a bit much. What's a bit much extreme for her to

Brian Atlaslight him on fire? Wait, so just to be clear, a a man was uh was nearly burned to death and your knee-jerk initial reaction is well, if

Jasmine (Jazz)he's a bit less misogynistic, net positive though, not that that's the that's the So when you say net positive in totality. Mhm. So yeah, what she did was really awful and like he's going to

Jasmine (Jazz)have to suffer for the rest of his life because of it. But if like his casual misogyny is lessened, it's a net positive. Positive. Yeah.

Jasmine (Jazz)What What's the math? What's the calculus on it being a net positive? Um let's say if he just stayed like super misogynistic and like got his friends together and they were all kind of like that, then they're kind of causing a lot

Jasmine (Jazz)of hell on women. So if he's less misogynistic now and he's not getting all his guys together to say things about women, it, you know, it doesn't affect I see. So what you're

Brian Atlassaying is is that um serious bodily he's like a martyr if anything. So, what you're saying is serious bodily injury so long as within

Brian Atlasyour purview, there's a uh wait, just to be

Brian Atlasclear, I I can't even wrap my head around the the comment you've just made, but violent crime not as bad or sorry,

Brian Atlasuh violent crime more bad than misogynistic joke. Um, not necessarily. I think it's more nuanced, I'd say. Explain the nuance. Um, because if you're constantly

Jasmine (Jazz)talking bad about women in that way or saying that women, you know, should stick stick to these sort of roles, it perpetuates in the long term kind of

Jasmine (Jazz)violence against women in general on a grand scale. But also, um, just to be frank, I was kind of kidding. And it is wrong of her to have done that.

Brian AtlasWell, I'm a bit confused. You just you just said that there was nuance. I It's wrong that she did. Okay. No, no. I'm saying hold on to her. Go ahead. Um Yeah. I just think in this specific

Jasmine (Jazz)situation, I'm not saying everyone should light uh men on fire because that would make the world better. I'm just saying in this instance, if it happened to make him less misogynistic, it's probably a net positive. Do you know

Brian Atlasthat? But I'm not encouraging violence against men. Right. So what you're saying is yes, it was bad that he got

Brian Atlaslit on fire. What she did was wrong. But if if the outcome is that he's now less allegedly misogynistic, that that it was

Brian Atlasactually worth it that she burned him. Because in order for your statement to be true that it's a net positive, it would have to indicate that it's it's worth it, right? If it's a net positive.

Brian AtlasYeah. Would you kill Hitler baby? Baby Hitler, excuse me. Too deep of a question. If you could time travel back in time, would you kill baby Hitler? Because it would be a net positive,

Jasmine (Jazz)right, in your worldview. Yeah. So, you would I don't have a definite answer on that, but I do denounce the genocide of the Jewish people. And Okay, that's not really answering my question though. So,

Jasmine (Jazz)the hypothetical, I don't know cuz what would happen if I killed baby Hitler and then like Mussolini did something even more extreme and crazy? Like I don't know the Italian butterfly effect. Yeah, I don't know the butterfly effect, but I

Brian AtlasI would say if the only difference there is that Hitler didn't exist and then like the concentration camps didn't happen. So what's your you you did I don't know if you're like walking back your position a little bit doing a mod

Brian Atlasand Bailey, but you said that you're joking. Please be more specific though because you're saying there's nuance to the situation. So again, is her act

Brian Atlasjustified because of the net positive? assuming the net pot assuming he's going to be less misogynistic now. Is it justified to some degree? Um I'd say no.

Jasmine (Jazz)Violence is not ever justifiable. But you did say that the net Well, yeah. If we're talking about long-term effects on like what potentially his statements and actions could have caused against

Jasmine (Jazz)multitudes of women, like more than just one person. And is this your subjective opinion or like you think objective? Absolutely. Um, if it was objective, I think that would mean that if we just burned

Brian Atlaseveryone who said that, then like the world would be better. But I don't necessarily think that's the case. Okay. And uh so what if what if uh I had a

Brian Atlasposition that feminist rhetoric is damaging and there was there was a uh a uh a movement to basically like

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