Feminist ACCUSES Him Of MlSOGYNY?! RAGE QUIT?! She Went FERAL?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #244

Date: 2025-05-26

Duration: 9h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJasmine (Jazz)>

LLauren Selby >

SSavannah Stone >

JJulie (SPC DT244)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amy Jeffers(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren Selby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Julie (SPC DT244)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Nasica(guest)

SPEAKER_11Carla Leto(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jasmine (Jazz)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Savannah Stone(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyJazz: burning misogynistic man could be 'net positive' for society

Key MomentAndrew Wilson joins as call-in guest

Key MomentAndrew donates $3,000 for Savannah Stone honeymoon

ControversyJazz accuses Brian and Andrew of misogyny

OtherAndrew Wilson departs the show

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Jazz (feminist), Savannah Stone (married, anti-feminism), Carla Leto (LMFT).

Woman Sets Man on Fire

News article: woman set boyfriend on fire after misogynistic comment.

Feminism/Gender Liberation

Jazz defends feminist views. Accused burning man of being "net positive."

Andrew Wilson Joins

Call-in. Debates Jazz on marriage, commitment, feminism. Donates $3K for Savannah.

Jazz Accuses Misogyny

Directly accuses Brian and Andrew of being misogynistic.

Body Count Discussion

Final topic.

Transcript

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Jasmine (Jazz)Can you provide actual examples of misogynistic statements that I've made? I think not nec not even tonight, any any show. Yes. clips I've seen how and

Jasmine (Jazz)what I've witnessed today where you say you prostitute you sex worker. How many drinks have you had in your mouth? Just me. Just me. You're more of a moderator and a host. I feel like I don't I mean I

Brian Atlasengage I engage in the debates but I you you again though just to be clear uh you sent this before Andrew said that

Brian Atlastonight. So let's push that off to the side. What has what have I or Andrew said previously when you originally sent this that was misogynistic?

Brian AtlasUm, every clip I've seen and other people's perception. Okay. So, there are clips you've seen. What specifically in the clips were was or were was or were was misogynistic? How you speak to women

Jasmine (Jazz)and talk down upon them? Yeah. Because of their life choices like with so much judgment. Give me an example about people doing Only Fans. How is that not an example? Give me give me an example of what I've said. Oh, like specifically

Brian Atlasverbatim. No. Well, it doesn't have to be verbatim, but it could be sort of uh capturing the essence of what I said. Um saying that that they don't have like decent

Jasmine (Jazz)morals or values because they participate in that sort of occupation is is the consensus that I have come to. Sure. I don't think I've ever actually said that or something approaching that. Okay. But um again, I don't have

Jasmine (Jazz)anything verbatim. It's just kind of the essence of Yeah. But how would this uh being engaged in sex work, men can engage in sex work? How would this be specifically? Yes, but you demonize women way more for doing it. You have a podcast where you have eight women come

Brian Atlason who usually have an occupation in sex work. Usually. Oh, usually have an occupation in sex work. Well, I would contest this. The majority of our guests don't do sex work. 15% of our guests uh

Brian Atlashave Only Fans. And this actually isn't that 15 15% of all the guests we've had and we've had over 2,000 guests only 15% of them have been involved in Only Fans. So that typically the way maybe we can

Andrew Wilsondemonstrate it just in an easy way. Raise your hand at the table if you're involved in sex work. Not anymore. Okay then. Well, there's chair you judge

Lauren Selbywomen that he calls girls. I'm 52. I don't give a [ __ ] judged women that participation. not only give a [ __ ] She does not give.

Jasmine (Jazz)She does not give that do that type of 50 plus. Yes. I I don't mean to have judged. I love that card. Yeah. No, I don't judge women who participate in sex work at all. I love that card. Okay. But

Brian Atlashow would even if I grant to you that I've made judgments about women who do sex work? How would that be misogynistic? Couldn't I just have criticisms of sex work specifically? Yeah. And you can have criticisms. There

Jasmine (Jazz)are valid criticisms. Aren't you against like sex work and only fans? Um, I think that it's a false sense of free will that women participate in. I feel like the structure of in earlier in the conversation and I also think in the

Brian Atlasessay you wrote, you said that women are like uh you mentioned hypersexualization. You think the sexualization of women is wrong. So by your own admission, you must I assume

Jasmine (Jazz)you're against sex work to some degree. I think it's very dangerous for society and I think it's kind of a facade of

Jasmine (Jazz)women empowerment. I think if anything it's um reaffirming our role in society as just sexual beings. Okay. So we're both misogynists together then because no I don't disrespect women who are in

Jasmine (Jazz)that occupation. I don't speak down to them on being in those roles. I don't like the structure that exists that that says women should go into those obligations without but at the same time I'm not demonizing

Brian Atlasanyone who's participating. You're going to need to be specific about what I've said that has been um specifically misogynistic as it relates to women who come on the show who do sex work. Yeah.

Jasmine (Jazz)I don't have anything uh verbatim or a quote. It's just I think the public perception is that you are disrespectful to women and that you do Okay. Well, the public perception of you is that you're

Brian Atlasa man-hating misandress and you think men are disposable and you're kind of a hypocrite as it relates to traditional gender roles. Can I denounce that and then you denounce that you're a misogynist, so I guess that's fine. But hang on, hang on. I got to I got to

Andrew Wilsonweigh in just briefly. Go ahead. Right. I agree with you that some of the things which I say or Brian says can be perceived as being misogynist towards certain women. But misogyny

Andrew Wilsondefinitionally is a hatred of all women or some type of oppressive mentality towards all women. You would have to agree that's true. Agree. So the thing is is like you can't possibly believe

Andrew Wilsonthat because some women are [ __ ] nasty bastards to us and so we're nasty bastards back to them that that means we're misogynistic meaning that we have some sort of ill intention towards all

Brian Atlaswomen. You can't actually believe that, do you? No, I think there's I think there's nuance there. That was misogyny, by the way. Um well, I mean that sorry I had to

Brian Atlasmanipulate that, but I I mean I would just say if you're not able to provide like again, you don't need I didn't do homework for this. I thought it was a dating show. I'm sorry. Well, I mean, you aired your criticisms, but these are

Brian Atlaspertinent dating issues. Yeah, very pertinent. Where's like Hold on. Hold on. So, uh, look, I'm not asking you to quote something verbatim, like if you Well, I've given you the best answer I can

Brian Atlasgive. If you give me the essence of what I've said, but you really haven't. And so, essentially, that which is asserted without evidence, I'm going to go ahead and dismiss without evidence. Okay. Can you give me one example, though? Just

Jasmine (Jazz)one example of something I've said that's misogynistic. I think the ideology that you guys hold that our our gender structure should

Jasmine (Jazz)consist of women's main value being reproduction and men doing these things are very limiting and I think that is dangerous to both genders and I think a lot of the times it comes off as

Brian Atlasmisogynist. I have a question for you. Do you think in society men or women are more limited in the roles that they can have when it comes to like romantic partners? What do you mean when it comes to

Brian Atlasromance? I'll just I'll just lay out my argument then. So, here's my position. I think women have choices. So, a woman can be a career woman. Some women pull off both, although it's quite difficult. And I think Andrew would argue that it's

Brian Atlasit's suboptimal for a woman woman to be working and having children at the same time. But also, women can just be stay-at-home wives. They can find a guy who's okay with that dynamic.

Brian AtlasHowever, I would say most men don't have similar options. So, I would say very, very few women would be okay being the sole bread winner and being okay with that relationship dynamic, even if

Brian Atlasthey're feminists like you, even if they're progressive liberals like you. By your own admission, despite uh your polit political leanings, being very progressive, being very liberal, very

Brian Atlasleftist or feminist, you it sounds like you want uh at least on the male side of things, you want him to be falling pretty traditional when it comes to what

Jasmine (Jazz)he's bringing to the table, but I want him to also not make me a homemaker, not to think that I'm, you know what I mean? I want a partner and these are the characteristics I want to partner. But I would say that If you want, you can find

Brian Atlasa guy who's going to do 50/50 with you. You could also probably find a guy who's well off or he makes good money. And if you had a conversation with him, you could say, "Hey, I want to uh just stay at home, take take care of the

Brian Atlashousehold. I don't know if you want kids." You're saying men don't have an option. men really really don't like they really don't have like the majority of the majority of men who could get

Brian Atlasaway with saying, "Yeah, you know, um I have a job right now, but maybe a year into dating or a year into marriage, I just want to stop working and I just want to be a stay-at-home

Brian Atlasdad." I suppose some women might be okay with that. I'm not going to say no women would be okay with it, but I think it's a very, very, very small minority of women. even liberal progressive feminist women who are not going to be okay with

Brian Atlasthat sort of arrangement. Whereas there are certain economic realities where look even if a man is traditional maybe he's not making enough money econom uh

Brian Atlasso the economic reality is even if he is traditional his wife might have to work but he's going to be open to it if he does make enough money that he's going to be able to have say hey you don't have to work I'll be the sole bread

Brian Atlaswinner you take care of the kids stay home men don't have that choice so this idea that women don't have choice is ridiculous why does it have to be the liberal women.

Amy JeffersI mean, I I I know all of a sudden the conservative women have to stay at home and that's what they portray. No, man. I Well, I suppose there could be a conservative woman that Well, most

Amy Jeffersconservative women wouldn't want that sort of relationship dynamic. Well, that's what you think on social media. You know, you're not conservative. I don't think you're conservative, though. You know, I think you're a Republican,

Amy Jeffersbut I don't think you're conservative. I am. I don't give a [ __ ] at this age. Okay. I was born in 1972 and I don't give a [ __ ] I was born in the 80s

Amy Jeffersand this is, you know, and I just had my kid at 37, man. Just to cut off. Okay. And she's got a little septum. She's got a little uh snake bites. She's everything that I didn't have when I was

Amy Jeffersa kid. And I used to have my little head like Madonna. And in fact, my mother used to get called to the school like three times a week because I used to cut my hair like pineapple.

SPEAKER_0514 just came through. I don't know how that right side of the table is disgusting. The woman in the middle, congratulations. Cherry, you're still my favorite. No, that's you. Say something

Brian Atlasnice to uh Hi. Thank you so much. You're kind of female magic. You got to pay the sim tax. What? You got to pay. By the way, she's got a boyfriend, bro. What are you doing? You're stepping on toes. You're talking about stepping on toes.

Erica PerryYou're not discussing. You are faceless. Oh, no. He's sexy. We love you, [ __ ] Love you, baby. No, you're There's one more. One more coming through. One more coming through. Pasty George. Damn,

SPEAKER_05babe. Uh, pay the sim tax in George donated $200. Is correct 100%. Once chair 2 suggested that chair 5 was

SPEAKER_05groomed. That statement implies that she was not an adult and was taken advantage of. even though she was legally one of marriage. I stand by that statement for sure.

Andrew WilsonYeah, you stand you stand you stand by the the I stand with my [ __ ] wide open. Andrew, this woman who's sitting there was groomed by her own husband who she groomed by the man that before he was

Erica Perryher husband. He groomed her when she was 17 at 20. Grooming all the rich guys you [ __ ] for the What did you I'm sorry, it cut out. What did you say? I think that you're grooming all the rich guys you [ __ ] for their money. Oh, wait. Why? Um,

Andrew Wilsonelaborate. I'd love to hear like what your opinion is on that. Isn't it the case that you only are having sex and dating rich guys because you want their money? No. I see. I don't have sex for money. Dating rich guys. And why do you

Andrew Wilsononly date rich guys? Um, they only date me. I You said I only date rich guys. Why do you It's because you want their money. No. Men who ask me on a dates happen to be

Erica Perryrich. Broke guys don't ask me on dates. Oh, how convenient. I know. It's amazing. I literally I hit the luck of money and know men who don't have lots of money. Andrew, honestly, that's

Erica Perryincredible. I was very unlucky in other aspects, but I happened to hit the prime [ __ ] lottery in that part in my life. Like, I had a very tumultuous childhood, but therefore, not a single guy who's

Andrew Wilsonnot rich who you're attracted to, has ever asked you out. I just want to make sure that that's clear. Bro guys have never asked me out. It's actually insane. It's never happened. It's never happened. It's like I hit the line. No, I hit the pizza. Who would like some

Brian Atlaspizza? Can I order some for everybody? Pizza. Pizza. Can I buy it? Like Oh, sorry. Everybody want pizza or I'm okay. No, by the way, I love you. Pizza. Okay. The girls are like and your and your

Savannah Stonewife. I think you guys are honestly a dynamic duo. Like you owe you owe that poor lady. She's not. Hold on. I do have one. If you do if if I was groomed, do you think I'd be

Savannah Stonesitting here right now on the internet live in California when I live my husband lives in Florida. Do you think somebody who groomed me would let me fly

Erica Perryout here and do a podcast? 100%. So, do you know about Bad Baby control? Do you know Do you know have you seen Bad Baby's whole situation? I don't

Erica Perryreally keep up with digital. So, she was groomed and she's still um Oh, Brian, don't you go. I don't I don't know if we can compare my situation to I'm not comparing, but you're acting you're

Erica Perryasking for like Okay. Yeah. I guess we'll like make a It's not like a distinct comparison, but it's like um you guys are similar in age somewhat, you know, and

Erica Perry[ __ ] do you not like this discussion? That's really weird. What? How is it similar in age, but she was still rude? That's super weird. I have cash. Yeah. Okay. Give me cash. Wait, why do you

Brian Atlaswant cash? That's cash. Why can't I just Uber Eats it? Uh, hold on. No, no, I need I need the cash cuz we'll order the cash. How much do you want? Well, 100

Brian Atlasbucks. 100 bucks. I mean, I gave you 100 bucks already. The cost of living in Santa Barbara. Actually, you know what's funny? There was recently a report that Santa Barbara is the least affordable. Are you serious? I believe. Yeah. It was

Brian Atlasthe number in the United States. in the entire United States. Santa Barbara here is the That's why that's why Brian's asked me to move out several times and I've thought about it. Wait, what state

Andrew Wilsondo you live in? I'm not running around. If I move If I move out 15 for $2 million a twobedroom house. But there are Yeah. What state? You're going

Erica Perryto have to rent. It's just you can't buy in Santa Barbara. Wait, Andrew, what state do you live in? You don't have to answer. I'm just like curious. Michigan. I live in Michigan. Oh, you're from That's so random. Okay. Shout out. Oh,

Andrew Wilsonyou're next to Oh, Canada. Kid Rock's from Michigan. What the [ __ ] Is he really? Oh my god. I love Rock of Love. That's one of my favorite shows as a kid. All the best musicians came out of What's your question really quick? That

Brian Atlasis because your governor witch. Okay. So, going back to this uh again, I'd like to ask for an example of something that Yeah, I don't have one.

Brian AtlasYou're not a misogynist. You've wiped yourself clean. You're you're you're walking back the Yes. Okay. All right. I'll accept that. I'll accept that. Do you concede the argument then? Yes. All

Brian Atlasof it's conceded. I take back everything. I'll unend it. I don't know. I'll even say this. I just everything we've talked about and in fact everything we're about to talk about. I identify as the correct person on all

Brian Atlasissues past, present, and future related to this podcast recording and this conversation. I want you to affirm my identity as a correct person about all that. I don't want to be rude, Brian.

Jasmine (Jazz)So, I'm going to start by affirming your identity immediately. Be very rude. That you're just correct. You're identifying as correct. Also, what are your pronouns, please? Um, you can call me whatever. I also

Jasmine (Jazz)identify as correct. We can't call you whatever because that would I'm just co-opting your whole [ __ ] I'm whatever now. No, but what are your pronouns actually? Just she, her.

Brian AtlasYeah, sure. Okay. My pronouns are Are you um are you okay?

Brian AtlasI'm doing pronouns. Yeah. So, my pronouns are uh his royal majesty or your royal majesty. Okay. And I will respect that. But every time you address me, I need you to say uh your

Jasmine (Jazz)royal majesty. And you need to do a British voice, too. So, go ahead. Okay. I have to address you all of a sudden. We'll just have it happen naturally. And you you shouldn't you need to avert your

Jasmine (Jazz)eyes because it's rude to avert like not look at you. Avert your eye eye contact. You shouldn't look down when you're talking. Oh, I can't look at you anymore. Is this some sort of fetish? Has he done this before, chat? Let me

Brian Atlasknow. No, it's just like as a royal like I I identify as a royal asy correct person. Yeah, that's my identity. Yeah. So I need some people would say I'm the same.

Jasmine (Jazz)Okay. So I need But you haven't been addressing me. So repeat after me. Your royal majesty. Your royal correct majesty. Wait misogynist. Don't do that.

Brian AtlasWhat the [ __ ] No, he's not royal. Are we going to like have Yes, we get more people in. That's what I'm saying. I'm just trying to move on. Oh, by the way, uh we have uh Would you be willing for

Brian Atlasanother Champagne Pop to wear a MAGA hat for the for 10 minutes? No. That's I don't get the money. Oh [ __ ] I'll I'll cut you a $2 bill.

Jasmine (Jazz)Do you know how much a $2 bill is worth? It's like $5. No. No. No way it's worth something. I'll be so upset. I used to have so many. That's a $2 $2 bill.

Brian AtlasWill you wear a MAGA hat for $2? Obviously not. Wow, that's sad. Okay, so no examples. No examples. He's calling me a misogynist. No examples, nothing.

Brian AtlasOkay. Uh, what's the pseudo? Okay, so moving on to uh the second. What is pseudo or pseudointellectual? Because that's separate from the misogynistic accusations. You say me and Andrew are

Brian Atlaspseudointellect or I guess our ideas are pseudointellectual. Uh, what ideas are pseudointellectual? Oh my god.

Jasmine (Jazz)Um, I didn't know Andrew previously. He seems to at least do some sort of research. Um, but again, I just think it's a bunch I just feel like it's all a

Jasmine (Jazz)workaround to to make like belittle women. That's how I feel about your stance. Yeah. But what are the ideas that are doing that? that women are

Erica Perrymeant to just reproduce and to exist as a certain like sexual Yeah. Your wife had a whole [ __ ] Oh, sorry. I don't let me say the f word, but I watched a whole discussion your

Erica Perrywife made last night about how women need to reproduce and that's like basically their um ultimate purpose. And yeah, and okay, that does that mean that their only purpose or value is reproduction? Well, she went on this

Erica Perrywhole discussion about how women shouldn't pursue their dreams because it's going to um contribute to population de um defamation basically or what's I don't

Erica Perryknow that I don't know a lot of being Yeah. You don't know you don't know what you're talking Oh yeah, I don't know what you're talking I watched I literally watched this last night. How do I not know what I'm talking about? I watched Tell me what she Tell me what she actually she said that women

Erica Perrypursuing their dreams is like concluding to population um basically it just it's what his argument was earlier that yeah wait a second it

Erica Perrywasn't your wife Rachel I can the feminism movement is the blame for this I'm not even calling it feminism I just watched I've literally I watched one of

Erica Perrythe whatever podcast yes nod your head and your wife won this whole like monologue about how um basically women are contributing to population

Lauren Selbydeclining. She's right. If she came on and said the exact same thing as Andrew, we'd probably all agree with her. Yeah. No, cuz like she's Yeah, that's the argument. And like I'm not That's the

Erica Perrywhole thing. But it's the tone. You see? I know. I don't believe in tone. I don't believe in tone. It's the wrong tone. I don't believe in tone. It's the wrong tone over here. I don't believe in tone. I

Erica Perryjust said what you're in tone. You and your wife are on the same level. I'm not I'm not saying one is higher the other because of tone. No. All right, moving it on then. Uh well, that's not precisely true. My wife's actually much smarter than I am. That's I love that

Erica Perryyou say that. Good for you. That's cool. Well, I I only say that because it's actually true. That's cool. I [ __ ] with that. I [ __ ] with you saying that. That means that Yeah, that's cool. I like that. Why I married her? I wanted [ __ ] smart babies. You see? Yeah.

Brian AtlasGood for you. Smart babies. That's valid. I like that. Continuing on, Jazz, you said you think the pod would do better with a different demographic of women in addition to who you've been casting. You pick only fans and internet

Brian Atlaswomen who probably aren't wellversed in debating or have a nuanced understanding of gender roles. You potentially get an easier own that way. I think the pod would do better and bigger if you had real conversations, less pointed questions. At a certain point, you stopped caring about listening to others

Brian Atlasopinions and experiences and conceptualizing that into new thought and deciding how you think now is the end- all beall. You should be open and willing to learn every day, no matter your age. It will be your downfall.

Brian AtlasYou're welcome for the unpaid advice. And uh I mean, really quick, just on I already kind of addressed the Only Fans thing, but it just bothered me. It kind of bothers me a lot because I get straw

Brian Atlasmanned with this with the you only bring on like seven room temperature IQ uh only fans street walker uh illiterate

Brian Atlaswith like I get totally straw mans on this. I've have a huge diversity of guests who come on the show. 15% of guests we've had on the show like I said do only fans. So that means on average

Brian Atlasone or two of the panelists have only fans. sometimes more on the panel do and sometimes we have no Only Fans girls on the panel. And then also uh at least from my perspective, I'm a community

Brian Atlascollege dropout. I'm not exactly like an intellectual or academic titan. English is my second language. I have brain fog due to severe neck injury. I like mumble

Brian Atlasor not mumble. I I stutter and half the time I forget what I'm about to say midway through the [ __ ] sentence. So, like this idea that these matchups

Brian Atlasaren't are unfair. I'm not sure if that's actually the case, but um and I actually frequently have women on who are more educated than me. Like you, for example, you have a uh you have two

Brian Atlasbachelor or one bachelor's degree? No. Uh bachelors. And you're going for your master's degree. We've had other women on who have bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, PhDs, professors, lawyers, uh

Brian Atlasdoctors, nurses, etc. um plenty of smart, educated women. Women who are, I suppose on paper, more smart or more educated than I am. Uh but even if they're smart and educated, doesn't mean

Jasmine (Jazz)that they don't hold [ __ ] beliefs. Yeah, you could definitely argue that. And I think me and Andrew both agreed that we um are coming on here arguing our points and that we are not going to change our ideas, but it's just the

Andrew Wilsonaudience. I think we can fix you. No, hang on. I think we can fix you. Thanks. I will change my ideas based on good solid foundational

Andrew Wilsonargumentation. I have changed my ideas. I've had leftists destroy me in debates before and had to re-evaluate why it is

Andrew WilsonI believed some of the stupid [ __ ] I previously believed. Debates are good for doing that. They're good for helping us adjust our worldviews as well. Now,

Andrew Wilsonnot many leftists, and this was early on, but the point still stands that uh no, I I I take every opportunity I can to learn from the opposition. Every opportunity

SPEAKER_05two chats coming through donated $200. Sorry for the delay on this. Are within the confines of our duties or we face consequences. Yep. Women are conditioned through

Brian Atlasfeminism to reject their duty to reproduce and instead compete with men. Thank you, Ry, for that message. I appreciate it. We have Pasty George coming in here in just a moment, guys. I know there's quite a few that have been

Brian Atlasbatched up, so we'll try to get to the batch soon. Uh, but I do see you guys. And just uh give me a moment to uh get to that moment where we pull up the uh the uh lower threshold.

SPEAKER_05George, thank you. Thank you. Shares one and two represent many feminist women who are voting both Canada and America down the drain and into collapse which is less than two decades away because of

Andrew Wilsonthe birth rate crisis. I can't vote. I have a felony. What? What? What was that? Why does that

Andrew Wilsonnot surprise me? I know, Andrew. I know. I told you I was already finger and stuck it in a light socket. I would be less shocked. I know. Wow. I know.

Brian AtlasYou're right. You're right, Andrew. I agree. I know. That's a good one. Um, that's good. All right. Back to the notes. Back to the notes. Jazz, you continue by saying your ideology isn't

Brian Atlasas common as you think and totally frowned upon as society progresses. Yeah. What specifically? Like what is my ideology? I guess again, just gender

Jasmine (Jazz)roles. That's it. You've got gender roles though. It's just exclusive of a lot of gender identities and I think that that's obviously anti-progressive. So, we just disagree

Jasmine (Jazz)there. How many genders are there? Just curious. Exactly. Exactly. The exact number. Um, how many? Yeah. Or

Jasmine (Jazz)just approximation. Yeah. I don't know if there's like a specific number. Are there more than two? I mean, people identify as like non-binary. Yeah. What do you think though? Are

Jasmine (Jazz)there more than two genders? Like socially like a like gender identity? Well, I'm not a doctor, but there's more than two gender identities. Yes. How many do you think there are? Just

Jasmine (Jazz)curious. I'm going to say like I think it's a crazyish number, but I say I'm probably aware of like five or six. And you also wrote how your ideology and perpetuation

Jasmine (Jazz)of the gender binary is ruining society. So, how how is it ruining society? I feel like we've talked in circles this entire time like me and Andrew had the discussion where you think that the best

Jasmine (Jazz)form of society is the structure that you guys perpetuate and males roles g women's roles and I just think it's very limiting to the human experience. I

Brian Atlasthink women I mean again I'm repeating myself for the hundth time. I don't know if you want to hear it again. Well I I just I guess I kind of laugh or scoff a little bit because you say there the Can

Brian Atlasyou just repeat that last part you said there? how it's very limiting to the what did you say the human experience but you yourself place limits on your on the individual level on your own romantic partners that adhere to

Brian Atlastraditional gender roles why don't you be the change you want to see in the world and uh if I scroll up and many other aspect pay for first dates pay for first dates don't look to a guy to be your protector

Jasmine (Jazz)yeah and in many other aspects I do allow men the space to exist not as a manly like put on the front like type of deal. But I just think it's a nice characteristic personally and I don't think I think it's dangerous to

Jasmine (Jazz)perpetuate the idea that men should do these things all the time. But personally, I think it's just personally I think it's nice when a man's like, "Hey, let me step on this side of the sidewalk." I'm

Amy Jefferslike, "You're perpetuating. You can't get rid of the patriarchy if you're doing this. You're putting men back in the women's society and allowing us to

Amy Jeffersshut up for the wackos to get back in our Yeah, there it is, man. I think pushing that idea. You know what it is? Is Democrats going into oligarchy? There

Amy Jeffersit is. You guys are the matriarchy oligarchy. There it is. You know, Bernie

Amy JeffersSanders, AOC. There you guys are. There you guys are. Yep.

Amy JeffersAnd oh yeah, Hillary Clinton say, "Oh yes, us women. Oh, we're the matriarchs of patriarchy." Oh, I guess you liberals

Andrew Wilsonare matriarchs of oligarchy. Yes, you're Yes, you are. Uh, did any of your medications say not to mix with alcohol? It doesn't matter. I

Amy Jeffersdon't care. I spoke the truth right there. I'm 52, man. I don't care. Oh, hey, I'm 41, man. I'm Well, I don't

Amy Jefferscare. I almost take medication. 10 years older than you, man. All right. Um, yeah, man. Yeah, man.

Brian AtlasYeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Can you do the Roach Macho Man Randy Savage? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Andrew WilsonHe's going to come back. Wait, can you can you say Oh yeah, brother. Oh yeah, brother. Nice. Okay. Right. Good talk. Um, can I point out that I bought this

Andrew Wilsonpiece of [ __ ] lighter in California? I've never seen brand on planet or [ __ ] California. No, it's not a Bick. It's called a Scoopto or Suto or some [ __ ] It's the stupidest looking [ __ ]

Amy Jefferslighter ever. Get a B. That's your problem. Get a Bick, man. Did you get at the gas station? Yes. Get a big man. Yeah. And don't get one of those

SPEAKER_05see-through ones that you Oh my god, the TTS stupid [ __ ] bags that that came in. There are only two genders, a man and a woman. Anything

SPEAKER_05else is just mental illness and or delusion. Men have z chromosomes while women have 20 chromosomes. There are no other ones. What? Thank you for that,

Brian AtlasPasty. George, do you want to do a quick response to this? No, thank you. Okay. Well, sorry, Pasty. She But women are still smarter than men. I thought you guys also you haven't been addressing me

Andrew Wilsonby my pronouns to growing weed. It does. Hang on. He sent in $200. I am going to clarify what he's saying there. Yes, go ahead. He's saying that uh when it comes to

Andrew Wilsonchromosomes, women, what he classifies as women is XX and for men it's XY. You're saying that there's only two phenotypical pathways which you can develop reproductively

Andrew Wilsonand your chromosome are going to indicate that even if there is xxy that's it or yeah some other variation 200 bucks the guy is a great supporter of the show it's 200 bucks I'm obviously

Andrew Wilsongoing to clarify his [ __ ] view okay granny all right is that all right granny that I no [ __ ] paste pasty I'm telling you no don't scientific

Brian AtlasNo Canada telling you no. Okay. Um Jazz Jazz uh you also wrote you're outdated and it's a dangerous uneducated

Jasmine (Jazz)position. How so? Um I think it's outdated because it's like obviously it's very exclusive of other gender identities. I don't know how many more times I can repeat myself, but I feel like Okay. You're talking about like the

Jasmine (Jazz)gender pronoun stuff. Oh, no. Not the pronoun stuff. Just the gender role stuff. Yes. But you have really outdated views when it comes to your own romantic preferences. I think you

Jasmine (Jazz)related to men. I think you saying that the structure should be this way is dangerous. Not me and my own personal relationship thinking that like a certain characteristic someone has that happens to align with the role of men in

Brian Atlassociety. I don't think that perp liberal progressive feminist women on in on their individ individual hold on the individual and collective level they say well it would be great if men didn't

Brian Atlashave to adhere to their traditional gender roles but if all of them or vast majority of them won't enable men through their own individual uh changing of their own individual preferences then

Brian Atlasde facto even though it sounds nice for you guys to say well men should be able to do this but in pre in application In practice, in reality, you still hold men to traditional gender roles. It's you're

Brian Atlasjust blowing a bunch of smoke and it means nothing. Can I want to issue a call to action to you and a challenge to you? I want you to dispense entirely

Brian Atlaswith your completely sexist uh gender expectations of men. You can no longer from this point on have any traditional gender expectations of men. I want you to put your money where your mouth is.

Brian AtlasIf this is how you want societ society to be where men should not have to adhere to traditional gender roles, why don't you be the change you want to see in the world and dispense entirely with

Jasmine (Jazz)your own traditional gender expectations of men? Why not? Me doing that in my own personal life isn't going to dismantle the structure that exists. Not with that

Brian Atlasattitude. But women uphold if if women if if women shifted and they were like, you know what, we want soy boy. We don't want We don't want providers. We don't

Brian Atlaswant protectors. We want soft feminine soy boy guys. We don't want them to ever do any sort of chivalry. We don't want them to be protectors. Don't want them to be providers. Don't want them to

Brian Atlasinitiate anything. No steps of initiation. Asking for your number, asking for the first date, moving things forward, going for the first kiss, moving things forward physically from there.

Jasmine (Jazz)How is it ever going to change? Again, I think that you guys think my take is that that shouldn't be it in any scenario. I just think everyone can have their personal expectations of their

Carla Letopartner and that we shouldn't perpetuate ideas onto other people's relationship that wouldn't necessarily fit them. I didn't hear her promote that kind of society, which does sound like suck pretty bad actually. It sounds horrible.

Savannah StoneI I wanted I just wanted to circle back cuz you keep using the word dangerous and I feel like we didn't get to finish our conversation. Why do you feel like pushing traditional views is dangerous? Like how is that dangerous? If you want

Jasmine (Jazz)to have that in your own relationship, I think that's completely fine. But I think if you're forcing that ideology on other people who don't feel like they fit into that binary, it can be deadly and costly and and really restrictive. I

Savannah Stonedon't think I and again I think in our society, we're actually forcing the opposite right now. Like we're telling women that their values in their career and their degree and their title and we're telling men that no, you you can be sensitive. It's and everything's

Savannah Stonetoxic masculinity, right? So, we're actually not pushing traditional values anymore and our society has gone so far downhill because we're not pushing those traditional values. So, the way I see it, if we were to push those traditional

Savannah Stonevalues, like Brian mentioned, like or no, sorry, like Andrew mentioned, like limiting women's rights a little bit so that for the for the f further of our society, right? Like I don't see I I I would see our society getting better

Jasmine (Jazz)because right now it's going downhill because we're not pushing those traditional values. Does that make sense? Yeah, I completely I just disagree. I don't think that we're we're losing I just don't think if we lost a

Jasmine (Jazz)sense of traditional value on a grand scale like if if people decided to exist outside of that binary I don't think that there would be a crisis of reproduction

Amy Jeffersbecause you know what there is a woman and a man and that's it and there is no other thing I don't care what propaganda is feeding you I don't care what your

Amy Jefferscollege is feeding you I don't care what your professor is feeding you. There is a woman and a man. That is it. That we're not talking. And we're not going to do this

Savannah Stonetransgender stuff. Let her talk. I'm hearing this transgender thing. No, we're not talking about transgenderism. Hold on. Transender. Let her talk. But the birth rate is going down. Like it's

Savannah Stoneplummeting. So, how can you say we don't have a crisis? We are. I don't think it Oh my god, that's crazy. George donated $200. Oh, thank you, Pace George. I am

SPEAKER_05indigenous cre or first nations cre of turtle island which is now called North America. While I live in Canada, I am not Canadian. The government classifies

Brian Atlasus as Aboriginal. Is that Dave? Ha. Shout out Dave Ho. Yep. Yep. We love Dave Ho for sure. What What's it called? Like before a speech is given, you do a

Brian Atlasland Oh, land acknowledgement. So, um cover page. Uh wait, land acknowledgement exam. I should start doing land acknowledgements. We acknowledge here at

Brian Atlasthe Whatever podcast that we are on the traditional land of the Chumash people. I would like to acknowled Wait, this is a good idea.

Brian AtlasUh, and the Chumash were the original stewards of this land and the land was we honor their long history and stewardship of this land and we pay our respects to their elders past, present,

Lauren Selbyand emerging. Andrew's talking [ __ ] and he mutes it and then he thinks he can't see. There's a lot. Anyways, okay, whatever. Um, Pasty George, thank you for that. Thank you, man. Uh,

Jasmine (Jazz)Pasty, I'll do a L. I should start doing a land acknledgement, but it would be the same. Nationality. Are you, Brian? Can I ask nationality or ethnicity? That's out of the blue. Why? Wait, what was your first language? You want to know your first Let us guess. Can we go?

Lauren SelbyIf you don't want to answer, it's okay. Well, if you're asking if you're asking ethnicity, he would be American. and white depending on which criteria you have. Okay. It's not that and of course Democrats like the highest like your

Brian Atlasyour ancestors, you know what I mean? Like your background, your blood. I'm like Eastern European and uh French. So your first language is French Canadian.

Andrew WilsonIt's a mixing. Yeah, I'm a mix. Eastern European and French. So your first language is French. Brian, right? Do you speak any Eastern European language? Oh

Brian Atlasmy god. Or do you speak French? I speak French. Is he racing your French, Brian? This is a This is a racer. You're right. Wait, I'm just confused. Why does he

SPEAKER_05hate white flag right is the volume max? I'm seeing a ton of messages coming through. Oh, that's weird. Can you read the other two? My bad. Thought it was 100 to be

Brian Atlasread out loud, not 200. So, here's the 200. We'll try to get to it, but there's a few other things before we got to do some reads. But I I I promise you I I have them here. We will read them, but

Carla Letowe got to wait until we do the batch reading. So, where were we? Few more things here, Jazz. Few more things here, Jazz. Fun stuff. Like, would you rather meet a bear or a man in

Brian Atlasthe woods or We'll get to that. No, trust me, we'll get to the other stuff. Uh Jazz, you wrote I'm not scared of a debate. It's been like chronically like serious. Jazz, you said I'm not scared of a debate. got your bachelor's in political

Brian Atlasdata analysis and minored in economics. You're not going to argue if women's body count matter, LMAO, not legitimizing your position because it's a joke, the body count thing. Yeah. Um and then you said, "Sure, preference for

Brian Atlasdating is fine, but you bash women for having high body counts." Point blank. Not because all of a sudden they're undatable. I actually, you know, if I actually almost give props to women if

Brian Atlasthey reveal their body count, especially if it's high, because that takes courage. I don't agree with their decisions, but I don't bash them if Can we point out your argument though? You're not going to be with the high

Brian Atlasbody count. I'll be honest. 30. Is that drool? Is that drool on your shirt? No, that's just Okay, don't Oh my god. Got to put it over here before. All right, it's all good. Sorry. Go ahead,

Jasmine (Jazz)Jazz. Go ahead. Um, your argument was like, yes. Is it something about stop stop just move it on? Okay, go ahead. Um, women having a higher You don't want

Jasmine (Jazz)a woman with a higher body count or an equal body count to yours because um it's correlated with infidelity. Oh, you're talking about when we actually argued about it. Yeah, that's where this conversation, right? Uh,

Jasmine (Jazz)yeah. Well, I think that was your first thing that you uh went to when we were having the back and forth. Yeah, I also do think it is hypocritical to suggest that you're allowed to have as many

Jasmine (Jazz)partners as you want, but women should be monogamous and only have one partner. I don't really argue argue that. So, I don't think that's what you argued previously. I don't know if Well, so I don't think promiscuity is good in men

Brian Atlasor women. Okay. But I do think that there's a couple differences. I do think men uh I think if a woman doesn't want to date a guy who's has a high body count or he's a player, I think that's

Brian Atlastotally justified. no qualms whatsoever. But I do think it is the case that women generally speaking seem to care less about it than men. Or they might not even care at all. Maybe if it's like an

Brian Atlasinsane body, men care more is the Yes, men care more. And I think there's reasons for that. I think there's uh societal reasons, cultural reasons, but I think primarily it's biological reasons. Men have a greater disgust

Brian Atlasresponse to promiscuity in women. Uh so there's that. And then I would also just say in terms of the differential in terms of why again I don't think promiscuity is good in me in men or women. But I think the difference is

Brian Atlasthat you might hear from other people where if a male's promiscuous it's kind of big upped by some men. They're like oh you're a stud. But if a woman does that she's a [ __ ] Well I would argue

Brian Atlasthat that's viewed differently because it's really really easy for a woman to be a [ __ ] Whereas it takes some degree or perhaps quite a bit of degree of skill to be a [ __ ] as a man. Yeah. So as

Brian Atlasa woman, every single woman here, if you wanted to, you could probably even It's 10:30 on a Sunday, you could hop on Tinder tonight, get laid tonight. Vast

Erica Perrymajority, not true. Not [ __ ] true at all, man. I think even at Not [ __ ] true. I have a question. Do you think it's biological for men to want to [ __ ] [ __ ] man. Uh-uh. Do you

Amy Jeffersthink it's biological? But you don't think you could get laid tonight? Hell no. Not with that attitude. No. No. I mean, if you know what? If I wanted to [ __ ] just sit there and you know

Amy JeffersYeah. Some ugly [ __ ] right now. Some ugly [ __ ] Let's do a Wait a minute. Some ugly [ __ ] No. Some decent whatever. Yeah. I don't think so. Brian, I have a What's up? What's your Do you

Erica Perrythink it's biological for men to want to sleep with more women than women to want to sleep with more men? Yeah, I would say that there's uh Yeah, I mean you can make an argument. So, do you think there's more social pressure because you

Brian Atlasget the big ups like or social conditioning? Well, hold on. I'm getting a bunch of different questions here. So I mean I think that there there could be a different sexual strategy because men don't get pregnant so they can repro

Brian Atlaslike men can impregnate multiple women in a day or I mean there's not women whereas women you can only get pregnant for 9 months at a time right so how is that

Brian Atlasbiologically ingrained in your brain to want to sleep with more women because their seed and like literally biology and I would say there is like an evolutionary or

Brian Atlasbiological component of men wanting to spread their seed. But I don't think that's good for society. No. Yeah. No, I didn't ask if it's good for society. I just ask if you think it's biological. I'll grant it. And also, I don't think

Brian Atlasthey should do it. But yeah, I'll grant it. Do you think that there's societies that believe otherwise? Uh well, hold on. Now we're getting away from biology and evolution. Yeah. Christian societies have values

Brian Atlassocieties. Christian. Well, you're asking if societies Christian societies throughout all human history have valued chastity and monogamy in both men and women. Both men and women were supposed to rem remain virgins until marriage. I wasn't talking about Christian

Erica Perrysocieties. I'm just saying you're asking about societies. No, I'm asking if you think it's biological and if you think that there's actually like So, my argument is that it's social conditioning vers like it's not

Jasmine (Jazz)biological. And so do you think that they're like Yeah, because I think feel like women are like it's frowned upon for them to have multiple partners whereas like you were saying with men. Yeah. So I think a lot of it is socially constructed too

Carla Letothat like Yeah, I agree that there's a social construct. I can name multiple societies with more than one other man. There's societies in southwestern China that they allow multiple contributors. You know, there's the biological and

Carla Letothere's the societal. I don't think it's biological. I think it's social conditioning. One doesn't have to rule out the other. There can be the biological argument that I don't think it's biological at all. Okay. What's

Erica Perrymore there's actual there's actual proof. There's like multiple societies who What are you looking for? A virgin man. You're not going to have it. Which societies? What do you mean? So there's a society in southwestern China. Um I

Erica Perrybelieve it's called the Muaso. Believe something like that. Yeah. What? What are they? Um, so they believe that the women can have open courtship where they can have multiple partners and the men

Erica Perryactually come home at Why are you like not like are you saying oh my god this is like actually factual sure I'm going to grant the going and then there's also a society in

Erica PerryPapa New Guinea. There's also societies in um Africa as well. So like it's just trying to prove I'm basically saying that like there are America has like we

Brian Atlasjust look at America like oh no like these certain and western civilization is superior okay elaborate why is it superior oh in first to industrialize most of the

Erica Perryinventions created are from western countries I would argue not that we are like so behind in technology and like like have you been to Asia IA like it's

Andrew Wilsonso much more like advanced like here we are nothing compared to other countries name an Asian nation which is super advanced that was not significantly influenced by the west for those

Erica Perryadvancements. Go ahead. Not significantly advanced. What do you guys There is nothing compare comparable to like we are living like in the 50s compared to like can you repeat can you can you repeat back my question? Yeah.

Erica PerryYou said, "Name a society that's not um influenced by Western civilization advancement." Ask. Okay. What? Say it again. I asked. Say it again then, Andrew. This is your This is your shtick. I I've studied you. Trust me, I

Andrew Wilsonknow you. Well, if you studied me, Here's the thing that's interesting. Okay. What's interesting? Being a debater and studying his rhetoric doesn't actually give you any defense from it. I'm not trying to defend you. I'm just saying that you're Here's the thing. Here's the thing that's

Andrew Wilsoninteresting is like I asked you a specific question. I asked you which Asian nation can you name that has all this advanced technology? China which

Andrew Wilsonwas not stop which was not heavily influenced by the west for these technological marvels name China so don't say China no not China is

Andrew Wilsonliterally the entire industrial base and all of technology which exists in te in China was ripped off from the west especially from our businesses from GE

Andrew Wilsonfrom I can give you tons Boeing Chrysler they rip all of that technology off from By the way, more technolog. Hang on, hang on. They're not more

Andrew Wilsontechnologically advanced in the United States. You got another example? Hey, she just called you. Hang on, hang on. Let her let her let let her answer. Do you have another example? I'm not just talking about Asian societies. You

Erica Perrydid you didn't let me like keep going on [ __ ] Qatar. Um, have you been to Dubai? Have you been to Dubai? It's way more advanced than here. Oh, Dubai? You mean a western? That's not western.

Andrew WilsonThat's not western. Yes, it is. Dubai is the most that's the Middle East port which has ever existed in history. It's the Middle East. Even hang on. Even Baghdad, even Baghdad when it was all

Andrew Wilsoninfluenced by the West, it was considered a central trading hub of the world is not as westernized as Dubai. Westerners literally live in high-rise buildings there. Dubai looks like Disneyland. He makes a good point. It's

Erica Perrynot. But it's not. Why? So why? Tell me. Tell me why. what's called the Palm Islands. Lady, tell me why. No, lady. Don't stop calling me lady. It's so like arbitrary. Like, stop that [ __ ] You keep mentioning it's arbitrary to call

Erica Perryyou lady or it's specific. It's just like it's kind of like um an like you're trying to insult me and be like lady. Like no, I don't [ __ ] with that. I don't know your name. I wasn't here for the beginning for the names. My name is

Erica PerryErica. People also call me ET. So, hello Andrew. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Hello. Well, Erica, yes. Dubai is heavily

Erica Perryinfluenced by what? Really? Did they tell you that? Did they Are you the mayor of Dubai? He is. Do I? Oh my god. I want to like I want to know your affiliation with Dubai cuz apparently you know everything that they're like

Erica Perrythey're involved with the US because I make a valid point. You don't You don't make a valid point. Where? So your whole argument all the time is like what is your statistics? Like what is your arguments? Like you have no like credentials with that. Oh, I know.

Erica PerryThat's crazy. I need I am I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I'm making an actual factual argument and you're trying to say, "Oh, they're influ They're influenced by the like Okay, sorry. You said this. They're influenced by Western

Erica Perrysociety. They're not influenced by Western society." Like, what are you talking about? 1,000% Dubai is influenced by No, it is not. Because Tell me why the US literally an American. Then why does the

Erica PerryUS not have the technology they have? Tell me. Okay. What technology do you think the US Have you been to? Dubai. Can you name the technology you think Dubai? It's way better than the US. Let me tell you that. We look like we're

Andrew Wilsonliving in the [ __ ] 50s here. Like, okay. So, so real quick, can you repeat my question? No, I'm I'm just saying. I'm sorry. Can you repeat my question, do you? What is your question, Andrew? Please repeat it. Can you name the

Andrew Wilsontechnology Dubai has that the United States? The architecture is technology. What? The architecture is technology itself. Their architectural technology?

Erica PerryYes. What architectural technology do you think Dubai has the United States doesn't have? Have So, have you been to Miami? Yes. They're living in the [ __ ] 50s

Erica Perrycompared to Dubai and like and basically every city here. Like, have you been to all the cities across America? They don't even measure what architect and also Dubai United States in Asia. Like

Andrew Wilsonit's just it's not you can't even compare. You think that Miami is more primitive than [ __ ] Asia? Yes.

SPEAKER_05I'll let some chats come through. Uh you're trying to make me look stupid, but I'm way moreated. I don't even think you've been to Dubai. Interrupting chair 5. She was

SPEAKER_05discussing the birth rate crisis with chair one and how she believes it either doesn't exist or is not that bad. There's two other chats I need to let come through. We have Sensei and then we

Brian Atlashave Pasty George. Sorry for the delays on these guys. I try to get them in as soon as possible as there's a little break. Uh we have Sensei coming in here in just a moment. Thank you, Py George.

SPEAKER_05Sensei donated $200. Chair 2 is higher than a giraffe's rainbows. Thank you. Oh, it it ch it was ass. Normally I hear this. Wait, what do you

Brian Atlasmean? It was what? Wait, what? What' you say? Oh, it the Streamlabs. It'll change bad words to other words. So, it's giraffe ass, but it changed ass to

SPEAKER_05rainbows for some reason. Cheers. Thank you, sensei. That makes sense. Thank you, Sensei. Appreciate it. I wish. Oh, high five. Got Pasty George. Pasty George donated $200. All indigenous peoples in Canada and

SPEAKER_05America lived in the stone age until European settlers came to North America and brought their technological inventions. Now all reservations have internet. Lol.

Andrew WilsonActually, no. I I'll go a step further. Almost all societies except Far Eastern societies basically lived under primitive conditions. You probably have

Erica PerryChad GBT in front of you. Like actually Andrew like you have the benefit like you're in front of a computer screen. It's all in his brain. It's all in his brain. I don't believe that. I'm not listen because why didn't he have the argument earlier? Hang on. I agree.

Andrew WilsonThere's actually an olive branch I'll give you. Okay. I do agree that you would be at a disadvantage to me. Anytime though that I source information from the internet, I will always tell you that [ __ ] I will always tell you

Andrew Wilsonthat [ __ ] Okay. Thank you. That is fair, right? That's fair facts. Okay. I always do want to be fair, right? Same thing. Even if I'm in a live debate, I'll tell people like, "Go ahead, look it up. Pull up your cell phone. Look

Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] up." You know, things like this. There's a lot of notes. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. Um, we'll do a few more from Jazz, but Jazz, have you ever been on a date with a guy

Brian Atlaswho you really like, who you're really attracted to, and then you disclose that you're like a woke feminist, and then the soul, you see the soul leave the the guy's body when you tell them that

Jasmine (Jazz)you're a feminist? No, I don't necessarily identify as a feminist, so I would never claim that. But I do let my ideologies be known. You

Jasmine (Jazz)can categorize it however you'd like, but um I don't know. I think a lot of uh if they are conservative or whatever or they have ideologies that don't allow align with mine, they usually like get

Brian Atlasenergized. I don't see them get like drained. I mean, in your I think it's in your link link tree or whatever dissecting power, race, and gender norms. I feel like most guys they see that. Well, I

Brian Atlassuppose if they're more conservative put you think the the eyes just glaze over. They're like, "Oh man, she's like she's kind of cool and like good-looking or whatever." And then it's just like defeat. Oh no. I'm telling you, I'm

Brian Atlaslooking for I'm looking for a very specific man that probably Would you date? Do you know who that is? Um I've heard of him. Okay. Like streamer. Uh in your essay that me and Andrew thoroughly

Brian Atlaskind of didn't really go through. I Well, I read it sort of. Why would you even say that? I I thoroughly went through it honestly. Thank you, Andrew. But it was only a few paragraphs. It

Brian AtlasYeah, I I went through it. You said, "Patriarchy refers to a social structure in which powers disproportionately held by men. Historically, this is indisputable. Only men were allowed to own property, open

Brian Atlasbank accounts, vote, and participate fully in public life. Over time, women have gained legal rights such as equal access to employment, pay equity, credit, military service, and protections against discrimination."

Brian AtlasUh Andrew would probably dispute quite a few of these as it relates to owning property, open banking accounts, voting. Uh I don't know if we have a bunch of time to dive into each of those specifics. I I don't know if

Brian Atlasum like women being able to join the military is necessarily like some sort of like like a privilege necessarily, but I don't know. Um, you also wrote, "Modern western ideals often present

Brian Atlasgender roles as natural, making much of the manual labor, both historically and currently, fall onto men. While some might argue that biology justifies this division, the deeper consequences of such a structure are far more

Jasmine (Jazz)troubling." But so, do you disagree that men are more capable and able physical laborers? No, I don't disagree with the uh predisposed biological and genetic differences between men and women. I

Jasmine (Jazz)disagree with the fact that we should structure and force every man and every woman to participate in those specific roles all the time.

Andrew WilsonYeah. But is is that actually the case? Because e even even under basically the most patriarchal systems that I can

Andrew Wilsonthink of, there's always people who are outliers who don't participate in the the normaly of society. Like that's just always the case. So I I like this why I

Andrew Wilsondon't I never understand what feminists are actually advocating for. If you agree with us that the health of a society is going to be based primarily along the the lines of gender roles, meaning men are going to do most of the destructive labor jobs and the

Jasmine (Jazz)protection roles and women are going to reproduce society. What is it that feminists actually are arguing for here? Um, I just don't think that our

Jasmine (Jazz)predisposed um, genetic traits should be the end- all beall. Even if you think that that is the most beneficial structure for us, I just think it's again exclusive to a

Jasmine (Jazz)lot of people who, like you said, are outliers in this case. I don't think it's a good idea to force those roles on the outliers. I think the outliers Yeah. So, what should we do with the outliers? I think they should feel free to exist

Jasmine (Jazz)uh and not be demonized or frowned upon or emasculated in a sense. But then what would make them outliers? The fact that they don't exist in the realm of the binary as you described,

Andrew Wilsonright? They don't they don't exist like if you were going to say what a mental illness was. If I were to ask you how would you identify what a mental illness is? Isn't the only way to actually

Carla Letoidentify it is to look at behavioral patterns which go against the norm of society. Isn't that really the only way to even identify mental illness? I think a mental illness um is classified as it

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