Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224
Date: 2025-01-29
Duration: 8h 22m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Shelby Clayton(guest)
SPEAKER_03Michaela Quan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Samson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Myin(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brandon Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_11Ebony(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mecca(guest)
SPEAKER_13Dea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Ana(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:26
QuoteBella introduces herself as an OnlyFans creator who dropped out of college after 1.5 years.
“hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years”
00:11:52
QuoteBrandon Clark announces he is a virgin unprompted during introduction.
“I am a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now”
00:12:42
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself after shaving his beard — panel shocked by his new look.
“what happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard”
00:22:12
QuoteMyin reveals she was a flying trapeze artist and aerialist who worked for a circus for a decade and lived abroad.
“I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion tamer no he was the general manager”
00:48:27
ControversyAndrew argues women who demand equality should not also demand chivalry (flowers, doors, etc.). Dea pushes back strongly. Extended debate about woodworking, sailboat skills, and toxic femininity.
“I still don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and Status”
01:37:55
QuoteEbony claims women don't need men and women would do better if men disappeared overnight.
“I don't think that women like a lot of people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be perfectly fine”
02:12:03
QuoteEbony admits she doesn't know what a "stud" is in construction context, saying it's a dog or a lesbian.
“what about a circular saw how does that work i've never seen one do you know what the stud is no”
02:23:52
QuoteEbony says she doesn't know who Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, or MLK are. Would put them all in cages.
“I don't know who that is... Nelson Mandela... I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for”
03:09:53
QuoteRatings round: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 ("inbred 5 on camera but 9 in real life"), Brian=8, Andrew=10.
“going back to Michaela and then back I would say 10 10 okay six six all right wow nine all right 10 10 okay I would say seven but six all right I think I'm 10”
03:11:00
ControversyAndrew refuses to accept Dea's reasoning for why she can't rate him objectively. Dea eventually gives him a 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Rachel Wilson messages from home backing Andrew.
“I'm just saying I think most people would say from... no you you didn't even have to do the impression”
03:25:08
QuoteRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) messages during the show: "When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after 3 hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way you accuse him of being difficult while no self-awareness."
“we got a message from Rachel Wilson Andrew Wilson's wife when Andrew find oh we should do a Rachel Wilson Cameo”
04:09:24
QuoteDea reveals she dated an NHL player and a Portuguese soccer player while modeling.
“a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey player but you in relationship those were all very short”
04:13:45
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves the show before the Ebony tweets segment. Brian noted he had tried to keep him for it.
“I wasn't here I was in the... he's gone I was hoping we could get into this”
04:31:22
ControversyAndrew delivers the "faking virtue" argument: women who slept with men they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue, and therefore the guy they claim to like is someone they're just "settling" for.
“what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me”
04:59:29
QuoteBrian's cheeseburger analogy: "making a man wait while her previous 10-20 partners paid $1 for a cheeseburger, then charging him $1,000 because she likes him more."
“I've said it before on the show so it's like making a man wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger”
05:18:52
QuoteBella tells story of a guy who wore a VR headset watching Pornhub while having sex with her because he couldn't get hard.
“he basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset... he searched up Pornhub and then he like”
05:22:00
QuoteBrian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him and explains his daily bow requirement for his girlfriend.
“I do want my girlfriend to do a a respectful bow I expect... it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I prefer deep bow”
05:31:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Dea's Christian theology on submission. Dea eventually concedes she would sell her sailboat if her husband asked her to, per Ephesians 5:22.
“if that's his will then yes... your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it if if that's his will then yes”
05:37:58
QuoteBrandon Clark confirms he is a Christian nationalist who supports patriarchy.
“I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality and yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah”
06:14:42
QuoteBrian fake-proposes to Myin with a ring pop to get her to reveal her body count.
“myin Gertrude wait you can't see it what oh there you go will you marry me wait what will you marry me”
06:18:33
ControversyBrian reads Ebony's tweets live on stream including "Slayer of white men," men should be slaves, men shouldn't vote, home-wrecking, male chastity cages, and reparations tweets. Panel reacts with shock. Ebony defends them as genuine beliefs.
“I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me... men deserve to be treated less than dogs”
06:19:00
QuoteEbony proposes men should be in chastity cages and have 11pm curfews. Multiple women raise hands in favor.
“I think men should be in chassity cages I think we as a society Society should normalize that... I think men should have curfews”
06:23:00
QuoteEbony says men shouldn't vote and men make make are the reason for societal problems.
“I think that men voting is why we're in this predicament now”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Introductions & Relationship Statuses
Brian and all guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then go around the table on current relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with who.
00:31:30
TTS/Viewer Questions — First Date Flowers & Buzz Cut Prices
Viewer-submitted hypotheticals: high-profile job vs $100k sewer cleaning; how much to buzz hair off. Also Trump-as-trans-woman president and WWII trade questions. Discussion on flowers on first dates.
00:41:47
Chivalry vs Equality — Andrew's Position
Andrew Wilson argues women who demand equality shouldn't also demand chivalry. Dea defends acts of kindness. Discussion spirals into Christianity's patriarchal structure, female apostles, and submission theology.
01:19:00
Myin: Too Nice/Submissive — Can Women Be TOO Nice?
Brian deep-dives into Myin's background: Always in relationships since 19, often the caregiver/financier for weak men. Cultural Japanese upbringing causing her to be too generous. Lived abroad/circus career. Brian advises her not to let American culture corrupt her traditional values.
01:37:46
Women Don't Need Men — Ebony's Position & Debate
Ebony claims women would fare better if all men disappeared. Andrew and Brian counter with infrastructure statistics (99% male linemen, 94% loggers, etc.). Debate on whether women gravitate to those jobs by choice or due to patriarchy. Includes pickle jar challenge, "do you know what a stud is" moment.
01:47:55
Men vs Women in the Workforce / Apocalypse Scenario
Continuation of women-don't-need-men theme: Brian shows stats of male-dominated critical infrastructure jobs (99% linemen, 94% truck drivers, etc.). Argument about what would happen if men disappeared overnight.
02:35:45
Age Gap Relationships & Phenotype/PDF Debate
Debate on whether age gap relationships are immoral. Ebony argues men attracted to "childlike phenotypes" are PDF files. Andrew and Brian expose contradictions in her logic. Discussion on mature-looking vs young-looking body types.
03:09:53
Ratings Round — Self-Ratings (1-10 scale)
Stiffler (viewer) asks all guests to rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Results: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 (on camera he says "inbred 5 but 9 in real life"), Brian=8 (consistent 8), Andrew=10. Followed by AI-aging photos of all panelists. Discussion on when women peak in attractiveness.
03:10:27
Woodworking Debate & Andrew Rates Himself a 10
Dea claims to do woodworking; Andrew challenges what woodworking actually means. Andrew insists he's a 10; Dea gives him a subjective 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Long debate on whether beauty can be assessed objectively. Rachel Wilson messages from home.
04:09:00
Dea: Dating Professional Athletes & Makeup-Free Living
Dea reveals dating NHL player and Portuguese soccer player briefly while modeling. Currently with her best friend (6'4"). Brian calls out height hypocrisy. Dea explains her natural/no-makeup lifestyle and DIY product-making.
04:26:10
Hookup Culture, Faking Virtue & The "Jipped" Argument
Andrew delivers Brian's "faking virtue" argument: women who were promiscuous with guys they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue. The man is "settling" for someone who won't sleep with him. Mecca's stripper-club origin story illustrates the point. Brian's cheeseburger analogy.
05:22:00
Brian's Bow Video & Biblical Submission
Brian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him. Panel reacts. Dea and Andrew debate biblical submission (Ephesians 5:22). Dea concedes she would sell her boat if husband asked. Brandon reveals he supports patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
06:14:30
Body Count Round
Brian tries to get body counts around the table. Brian fake-proposes to Myin. Mecca says ~8. Dea declines (was assaulted). Samson declines but says motivated by love/fantasy. Most guests decline. Ebony gets called non-binary by mistake.
06:18:33
Ebony's Controversial Tweets & Findom Worldview
Brian reads Ebony's tweets live: "Slayer of white men," men should be in cages, curfews for men, men shouldn't vote, men deserve to be slaves, etc. Panel reacts. Dea and Shelby push back. Ebony defends her views as genuine, not just marketing. Also announces men's income should go to wives and male chastity cages should be normalized.
06:19:00
Curfews for Men & Male Chastity Cages
Ebony proposes men should have 11pm curfews and be put in chastity cages. Multiple women at table raise hands in favor of curfews. Brian, Dea, and Shelby push back.
06:48:50
Bear vs Man in the Forest
Classic viral question: cross paths with a bear or a man in the forest alone? Many women choose bear due to fear of assault. Brian challenges the percentages. Dea shares real experience of being followed by a man for 10 miles while backpacking.
07:38:00
Relationship Advice & Final Topics
Brandon shares positions on patriarchy and arranged marriage. Final viewer chats and roast session. Guests share their types. Brian shares his ideal partner. Call to action for Bella and Mecca to quit sex work.
07:53:52
Roast Session & Show Wrap
Viewers send in roasts of panelists. Ebony fires back at trolls. Guests share Harry Potter houses. Final call to action. Brian raids Monkey News on Twitch.
Transcript
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06:33:02
Deaphysical strength thing like the worry about sports in bathrooms and stuff yeah I mean there's just there's a whole bunch of things that men and women are literally built differently like there are things that you have as a female and
06:33:13
Ebonya male has that are different it we're not born the same right but again like these people are taking hormones that are suppressing like their physical strength and I mean when a trans woman
06:33:25
TTS/Donationsloses a sport into that stuff a little bit later girl in chair 3 the only Cav we really need is a jibit for you just put it in the Public Square and invite every
06:33:37
Brian Atlasmental man that gave you money to watch you suffer what is a Gibb it I'm actually not sure what a Gibb it is that is cool uh here let's get through the rest of the tweets then we can come back to some of this convo go ahead pull it
06:33:47
Ebonyup all right read it for us uh what did I say I've been on break for half of a month and I'm still making four figures LOL men will always be
06:33:57
Ebonyfailures yikes okay next men are so dumb yikes next had a sub send me eight wait had a sub
06:34:07
Ebonysend me 8,000 oh it disappeared oh here LOL men are too men are too dumb okay next these Subs are liars they may be
06:34:20
Ebonysubmissive but they're still men yeah liar that that that came from like a lot of like these Subs they'll like next next okay white men deserve to be locked
06:34:30
Shelby Claytonin Cassity forever now it's not just men it's white men damn like as a mentally stable woman I would never say anything like that so you're saying she's mentally unstable I
06:34:42
Shelby Claytonmean say it say it with your chest say it with your chest go ahead Shelby based you got it off of do you need the squid you need the squid to say it go ahead
06:34:52
Shelby Claytonum get her the squid the evidence and some of the beliefs that you have it does lead me to what's unstable about it it's like you have all these
06:35:05
Dealike bad connotations about men and white men in particular have you never met like a good man like have you never met a man that you're like oh he doesn't deserve
06:35:17
Brian Atlasto be in a cage I'd love to get to know you what about Barack Obama does he belong in the cage Joe bid I think they all do I think even Barack Obama yes
06:35:28
Ebonywhat about um Nelson Mandela I don't know who that is I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for you Nelson Mandela South Africa okay your
06:35:39
MeccaTweet like like to find like guys to like like guys you sorry yeah they find me through my Twitter okay yeah so that's that's what I was like kind of figuring cuz like guys that want like like dominatrix they like see these
06:35:50
Meccatweets like oh yeah like she'll like put me in my place like I kind of figured TW like to get like more it's marketing mean so you don't actually no she means it so you definitely mean would you put Gandhi in the cage
06:36:04
Brian Atlaswho is G I don't know these people you're talking how do you not know who godi is um would you put I don't know um would you put MLK in a cage oh definitely I think he was cheating on his wife yikes I guess that there is
06:36:15
Brian Atlassome truth that he was probably cheat okay I think that's the rumors anyways um Malcolm X in the cage I don't know much about him but sorry all right by the way JC says
06:36:28
Brian Atlasuh normally we don't do tens but we the black community do not claim this woman she does not speak for us we are intelligent I promise oh my God I'm dying
06:36:40
Ebonynext oh boy okay oh my goodness they keep coming it's juneth white boys reparations are due get to sending to some black goddesses you know it's
06:36:50
Brian Atlasactually funny I got like $1,000 from that tweet alone you know what I feel like oh boy would you be willing to pay me
06:36:59
Brian Atlasreparations for what for going through these tweets uh no but are you right-handed or left-handed I'm right-handed I'm left-handed and this is
06:37:10
Brian Atlasnot has nothing to do with race but I feel because I'm left-handed I am owed by the right-handed people because scissors [ __ ] me up uh desks the [ __ ]
06:37:22
Brian Atlasthe desks you know in like when you were a kid they had like the little thing on the right side never on the left side for your arm uh ink bro if you write
06:37:31
Brian Atlasleft-handed with a pencil are you upy too no but my smeared I invested more in soap because of this okay I oppression left who here's right-handed raise your [ __ ] hands
06:37:43
Brian Atlasyou right-handed you're left-handed I'm a lefty uh I want all of you to go into your purses right now and give me she
06:37:52
Brian Atlasdoesn't get anything but give me 10 bucks for the pain that I have been through I'll cash also my vision's bad
06:38:02
Brian Atlasso who here has good vision uh I'm wearing glasses so I every year I spend hundreds of dollars on new spectacles and contacts I think you guys
06:38:14
Brian Atlasneed to pay me reparations too seems like bad genetics you guys wow excuse
06:38:23
Brian Atlasyou okay that was cool all right thank you je uh wait this is one of the most oh okay thank you thank you Jeff appreciate it uh thank you thank you for the uh m message oh we have uh
06:38:35
TTS/Donationsthis oh okay hahaa donated $200 wait what red shirt is a disgusting coward please who's red shirt k y SS you have a fat
06:38:47
TTS/Donationsracist baboon in front of you and all of you are too cowardly to say anything pathetic wait what wait what is it me no I think I don't know I'm a little
06:38:56
Brian Atlasconfused ha red shirt is disgusting confused is he confusing me and her am I the cuz I'm the only fat person here so
06:39:05
Brian Atlasam I the fat racist baboon K why I'm so lost everybody here is pretty trim so I mean I don't know who they're talking about but all right thank you man
06:39:16
Brian Atlasappreciate it all right there how many more let's get to the rest pull it up read it wow another I hate men classic that's dis wow oh my
06:39:28
EbonyGod next just turned just turned a alpha man into
06:39:36
Ebonya s I love being hot I mean hold on what next shut the hell up normalize putting men in cages and
06:39:46
Ebonyleaving them there to ride with the St every now and then I love that
06:39:56
Ebonyresponse no he looked directly at next oh my God all you pathetic white beta cuck should be begging to
06:40:06
Ebonyserve as my lifelong [ __ ] and ATM that's all you are and will ever
06:40:15
Ebonybe yeah I mean was next oh my good oh my God can I say that word yeah you can say it's fun such a tiny penis makes you such a worthless
06:40:28
Ebonyman the hottest thing you can do is open up your wallet and shut the [ __ ] up yeah yeah next oh my bad you should know that your place as a
06:40:40
Ebonyman is to open that [ __ ] wallet and shut the [ __ ]
06:40:47
Ebonyup I'm just so iconic like looking back at these it's like you know this ass makes you weak white
06:40:55
Brian Atlasboy you know what [ __ ] it scroll down no don't do that wait did she wait check check it first make sure it's okay is it is she bur close naked all right [ __ ] it
06:41:07
Brian AtlasI was in the gym wait no no no hide
06:41:14
Brian Atlasus Val I mean shut the hell up y'all y'all be dealing with the flattest ass hold on as a pale white guy whatever dude whatever dude that's
06:41:27
Brian Atlasnot even my best photo I could have better wait you know what after seeing that photo I think any guy who's attracted to your phenotype is a PDF file wow I don't think you I don't think
06:41:38
Ebonyyou got enough I look like a child I don't think you have enough therefore phenotype blah I don't have enough woman grown woman booty there's just not
06:41:50
Brian Atlasenough there I'm sorry my dear I'm sorry damn I'm that's why I was in the gym I'm working on it okay good talk next is there
06:41:59
Ebonyare my goodness shows uh shows juneth is coming soon and you white boys have some reparations to pay handed over loser damn that's [ __ ] up okay
06:42:13
Ebonynext okay I love being a home wrecking bratty Dy making old men spend send me money and think about me all night while they laid next to their sleeping wives is so
06:42:27
Brian Atlashot wait tilt your mic down a little bit um wait so you're you you like uh enjoy the whole ruining marriages thing I don't ruin any marriages I just think
06:42:38
Brian Atlasit's funny homew you think it's funny to ruin marriages didn't you say that men deserve being put into a chastity belt because they cheat yeah and yeah but it's not my responsibility as a stranger
06:42:51
Brian Atlasto make sure that they don't cheat that's crazy man all right is there any more that's their own choice that's it that's it oh my that was a lot I don't know if it's
06:43:00
Brian Atlashard to handle all that racism and sexism um do the girls here have any do the any of the girls want to rebuke her we need saving somebody needs to come to
06:43:11
Brian Atlasour defense all right any girls here going to rebuke this yeah I I think there's probably a lot of generalization and then maybe I don't
06:43:23
Myinthink you should ever talk about anyone's race or even like I just I just believe if you're going to you should respect every everyone and like whether they're men
06:43:35
TTS/Donationsrespect everyone I'm not racist it's just it's just a telling people they should be locked up in cages and poked with a stick it doesn't really sound like respect to me you don't respect
06:43:46
Myinthey don't deserve respect that's what they like it's crazy bro it's crazy bro let me uh let me shout out let me see if anybody has actually I mean like they're
06:43:58
Brian Atlasfunny if it's like a joke I don't it's just a kink it's just a sexual uh guys if you want to do contribution venmo cash app whatever pod I'll give you guys a shout out we just have Ian
06:44:09
Brian Atlaswho sent in 10 via venmo and then we have thank you so much man and then we had um it was wait it was sorry uh cariss Carissa with the 15 on cash app
06:44:21
Brian Atlasthank you guys so much W's in the chat for them uh okay so uh we have a chat here from Lucas Finny
06:44:33
Brian Atlashate to burst your Female Supremacy bubble but your Supremacy redounds to nothing more than being an incubator covered by protoplasm big words here
06:44:42
Ebonyunfortunately you don't come with a mute button can I respond oh yeah so I know and I understand that you are a loser
06:44:53
Ebonywith a pot belly and a receding hairline living in your mother's basement making 30k a year but sending half of your weekly income to a podcast to talk to a girl who's getting money because you're
06:45:04
Ebonya hater will not make you a high value man please go spend that money on a on a decent date to Applebees like you can afford on a girl and maybe then you'll stop being so bitter okay did somebody
06:45:17
Myinpee at the table smell it smells like piss did somebody PE the door's open I think it's coming outside are you trying to get it attention off of you did you pee no the
06:45:29
Myinbathroom does kind of smell I think I'm starting to smell it but it's coming from that dire went away who did it wait hey Daman can you close the bathroom door man that's
06:45:41
Brian Atlascrazy damn somebody strong enough no I think it's somebody's been eating their asparagus who had asparagus somebody got some foxer in or some [ __ ] I don't know that's crazy yo Luke thank for the Lucas
06:45:52
Brian Atlasexcuse me thank you man do appreciate it uh let's see here and then uh okay well that's that's pretty much it for all the notes here's what we're going to do um we have just a few more few more things to get through who's
06:46:04
Brian Atlaswilling to take off their makeup Michaela will you do it want to you want to
06:46:13
Brian Atlasdoes2 Bill but y'all in this2 bill I'll wipe my face to prove I've been up since 4:00 a.m. just so you know have makeup on like barely who who will'll take it
06:46:27
Anaoff will you take it off you said wait you said you would take it off I say you said you take it off I'm going to no I'm Ana hey come on Ana come on it was like four other girls that said they'll take
06:46:37
Brian Atlastheir makeup off take your makeup off what's the point of this it's to um to bed from the makeup topic go
06:46:48
Michaela Quanahead Bella go for it I don't have to wash my face when I get home anybody else anybody Michaela no the I just don't want to do
06:46:59
Michaela Quanit cuz then I have to like I have to wash my face off immediately after I have that stuff on on it those makeup wipes have so much oil in them those are
06:47:09
Brian Atlastop of the line this is the second time the same only the best for my girls I get you Neutrogena you want some like off brand like
06:47:20
Brian AtlasCVS no I get you Neutrogena okay well I appreciate the thought I'm a gentleman great um all right here we're going to do a few things from the questionnaires we're not going to do everything just
06:47:31
Brian Atlascuz it's already lit um um is it didn't notice yeah so funny wait were there other
06:47:41
Brian Atlasreacts Damian or I don't think so I don't think there's any other reacts um all right here we'll do this uh let's see yeah one sec guys any any final
06:47:55
Brian Atlasthoughts from any of the panelists here before we get into a few other things and then wrap up the show
06:48:02
Ebonyjust say since I used to Doom too you still do it why don't you do it anymore you still do it not oh it is a lot of work isn't it that's why I've been kind of like and he
06:48:13
Bellasaid they're top of the line they are top of the line it's not really about they trying to be racist um it's just the white men typically like being
06:48:23
Bellacalled for being white men like the the people that are she's attracting they thrive on the fact that they're being called white men right it's like a kink to them exactly we never met a white guy a little weird but
06:48:37
Brian Atlasit's a little weird but like it's not her take the fakes off too or are those like glued on for they glued on okay doesn't matter are you going to take your makeup off no I'm leaving all my makeup on shave that beard let's see uh
06:48:50
Brian Atlasokay let's get into it would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest bear bear wait let's start with Michaela I would definitely rather cross PS with a man okay I said bear uh just
06:49:02
Brian Atlasscoot your mic a little closer to you okay what about you man oh wow that's surprising okay I can Shelby a bear a bear a bear bear wow a
06:49:12
Brian Atlasman a bear a bear I've actually had that happen really oh boy okay and then what about you Samson man man okay a lot of bears here why do you uh why really
06:49:25
Bellaquickly we won't linger too long on it why do you pick bear cuz I could I was starting with the Bella I feel like with a I would just
06:49:33
Shelby Claytonget killed but with the man I would Hardward s mhm next Shelby um I pick the bear because it's just their natural
06:49:43
Shelby Claytoninstinct and they don't really know that they're doing anything wrong whereas a man obviously knows what they're doing and they can torture you longer and I
06:49:54
Brian Atlaswould I wouldn't feel as like victimized by a bear wow okay that is uh who else be a bear just like you guys said like it's
06:50:06
AnaNatural Instincts you crossed paths with a man what was it in a forest like what is he doing in a forest you don't know his intentions he's hiking you're you're
06:50:15
Brian Atlasprobably in a forest hiking we didn't specify if it's like like a hiker or I think it's like a hike you're you're in the for cross paths with a bear okay why
06:50:27
Meccado you pick bear um because I fig out I think I'll be able to figure out a way to kill a bear and then I could use I could eat its meat use its Furs keep warm how are you going
06:50:38
Deato kill the bear I don't know but I'll figure it out even guns don't kill bears like you need a certain caliber to kill a bear or just wait till it dies or I don't know I'll figure it out I'm not
06:50:50
Deadisagreeing with you because I also chose bear but okay it's more useful be bear is more useful um I have I've come across a bear twice backpacking because that's like one of my favorite things to
06:51:00
Deado is backpack and I go by myself and one time the bear literally just saw me and kept walking uh the other time I was asleep and it came across my tent and literally sniffed me and kept walking
06:51:12
Deabut I have had men follow me into the Wilderness when I've been on like 60 mile backpacking trips and that is absolutely terrifying like one time I literally had a family that I saw as I
06:51:24
Deawas going around the preset circuit Loop cuz I used to live in Arizona and I had to get a ride back with them to my car cuz there was a man following me for 10 miles and he thought I didn't see him
06:51:35
Deabut he was behind me so I'd rather be with the Bear in that situation yeah but how many men have you walked past that did absolutely nothing to you that's fair I mean is the you know Bears sometimes don't there
06:51:47
Deasometimes they're not bothered by you and if it's you know an aggressive bear or an aggressive man I still would rather be around an aggressive bear because a man will sexually assault you
06:51:58
Brian Atlasbefore you die versus a bear will kill you so I'd rather be killed than sexually assaulted and then killed uh but I mean you have significantly more data points when it comes to
06:52:09
Brian Atlasinteractions with men uh yeah sure there are bad men out there and maybe they've uh and they've done bad things to you or you know you've had uncomfortable or awful experiences with men I don't doubt
06:52:21
Brian Atlasthis at all uh but you also have like data points of like men who you just walk past the street that's true don't even look at you don't care whatsoever if they're following you've probably passed tens of thousands Maybe hundreds
06:52:32
Brian Atlasof thousands of men in your entire life didn't do a single thing to you but is basically my understanding is well you're you either you have experiences or maybe you on top of that you've heard
06:52:43
Brian Atlasexperiences of other women who've had bad experiences with men and because of this there's like some you your concern as well the guy could of essay me essentially uh so on that note what is what percentage of men then because
06:52:56
Brian Atlasyou're doing a risk assessment you're thinking well the man could do nothing the bear could do nothing the bear could kill me the man could kill me the man could essay me what percentage of men do
06:53:06
Brian Atlasyou think would uh be inclined to uh essay a woman in the
06:53:13
Brian Atlassituation like a woman alone in the in the woods yeah what percentage of men I don't know if you it doesn't have to be precise it could be you could say 50%
06:53:23
Dea60% 30% 10% what do you think I I really can't answer that question I don't know I don't know I think if they were following following me then that's obviously a different scenario if you're
06:53:34
Deajust saying a random man or a bear I would pick like the man if he's not following me but if they're following me that's a different okay look here's the scenario you spawn into a forest
06:53:46
Brian Atlasrandomly then you have two buttons that are presented to you you can spawn in a random man from the entire US population or a random bear okay man then man but if yeah that's different that that's not
06:53:58
Brian Atlashow I understood the question that's fine yeah uh we got you said bear what do you I mean so you all of you who say bear I'm assuming there's some component of fear when it comes to essay what percentage of men do
06:54:10
Brian Atlasyou think would essay you or be inclined to essay I guess maybe like 50% half
06:54:16
Brian Atlasokay what about you 50 into the mic just closer 50 50 I'd say like 60 60 30 30
06:54:25
Brian Atlasokay so wait 50 50 60 30 oh well you said man but not I mean no no no like what was the question the question was would be inclined to yeah what
06:54:36
Brian Atlaspercentage of men in the entire population of the United States would uh you think if given this opportunity would saay you I mean I answered bar but you still want I mean man do you I mean if you
06:54:49
Michaela Quanwant it sounded like you wanted an answer like 1% maybe 1% okay sure 889 huh 89 89% I do I think think it's you
06:55:00
Samsonbut you pick if you think that you pick man you said you picked man right well a bear will kill you you talking about just um yeah yeah
06:55:12
Brian Atlasoh that's a difference 89 wow um think okay so uh 89 50 50 60 30 uh let's I guess start with
06:55:23
Samsonthose um do you have brothers one one brother you have cousin male cousins Five Sisters um one two you have a dad
06:55:32
Brian Atlasno no dad no passed away just no dads oh okay uh grandparents um male grandpar Grandpa okay Grandpa you have brothers
06:55:42
Brian Atlashow many brothers one one you have a dad yeah grandparents um male cousins yeah four brothers Four Brothers you got a
06:55:52
Brian Atlasdad yeah grandparents yeah male cousins yeah Brothers father grandparent okay
06:56:02
Brian Atlasuh do you have male friends okay what about you I dad brothers no father yeah male friends cousins yeah
06:56:14
Brian Atlasgrandparents okay uh so you said you had four brothers was it and sorry did you say how you had one brother yeah so there's like a 50% chance your brother's an essayer and then two of your brothers are
06:56:27
Brian Atlasessers no I'm not saying they are well you said 50% of men this would include your immediate family true so I want you to look into I'm not look into this
06:56:38
Brian Atlascamera right here and you don't have to say their name but be like hey my I don't know maybe you don't know which of the two brothers are ERS but tell your
06:56:48
Anabrothers that they're ERS no but oh so your family is just different no I'm not saying they're different but I'm not going to say that either what the hell
06:56:59
Brian Atlasbut why not I mean your own statistics would indicate that they could prob 50% that blood brothers are ERS they could probably be the 50% that's not Shelby you said you had male friends 50 60% of
06:57:12
Shelby Claytonthem are essers all the men you know 60% of them essers well that's because
06:57:20
Shelby Claytonlike I don't hang around people that would like do things like that so
06:57:28
Brian Atlasit like exuse the I mean I don't but okay 30% of your all your uh male relatives are essers if given the chance I think look
06:57:40
Brian Atlasinto this camera and say Hi family I'll see you at the family reunion 30% of you men are sers say to the camera I'm not saying that I'm just saying if they were
06:57:51
Samsongiven the chance no repercussions they would 33% wow okay yeah it change the whole culture of the world and then just be
06:58:01
Brian Atlasand then you 89% of your male um not my family of the world like it was allowed the whole world would be different I
06:58:09
Brian Atlasdon't know that's kind of crazy but um pretty wild uh okay well um sorry loso all right let's see here couple
06:58:20
Brian Atlasmore notes um while I'm just looking at these any thoughts from anybody any final topics you guys one hit on we're going to wrap here very soon this is
06:58:28
Brian Atlasmaking me sad very sad well just the how
06:58:36
Brian Atlasincredibly I don't know you guys are so down on men I mean you guys have had bad situations I mean
06:58:45
Brian Atlas50% of men you think would essay you if they got the chance that's that's an incredible incredible sta say and I
06:58:57
Shelby Claytondon't know any of these girls that they have all had at least one experience and that's like bare minimum of feeling assaulted at one point in their life
06:59:07
Brian Atlasthat is so it's so terrible yeah ex which I totally agree with but just consider the amount of people of men that you've had good interactions I get
06:59:19
Brian Atlaslike verbally assaulted like every single day really yeah today how do you get verb what happened today tell me what happened today I work at like a
06:59:28
Shelby Claytoncoffee shop and like literally an older man man with his family was like I can't remember the verbiage but he's like I'm trying to think of a way
06:59:39
Shelby Claytonto assault this girl or harass this girl he said harass this girl yes he said I'm thinking of work today with he said he was with his family
06:59:51
Shelby Claytonyeah like it happens like way more than y'all think because you guys don't experience it through our eyes and like being a girl you don't experience but how many good interaction do you have a
07:00:03
Brian Atlasman on every single day no it does because it's percentages it's like if you're taking the negative the negative things you have to take the positive ones into account as well you know
07:00:13
Shelby Claytonthat's like that's like me getting whatever hurt by my guys say things guys like they'll look at you and you don't even know what's going through their
07:00:29
Deaminds the culture is suring sex right like that's what we were talking about earlier with hookup culture so it's fair to say that like these frustrated men
07:00:40
Deaare assaulting women like there there there are a lot of cases of assault and if not if not reported well you know sometimes it's like you feel vulnerable you feel like you can't report it cuz how was I weak enough to let this happen
07:00:52
Deato me like you start to question your own worth when you're in a position like that and you know maybe it's not 50% maybe it's only 20% but when you don't report it then they they'll do it to the next person as well and a lot of times
07:01:05
Deait's within relationships so you're saying that not reporting it is the problem no no no I'm not saying well it sounds like that's a really big part of the problem I it's very difficult to report something like that I mean have
07:01:16
Brian Atlasyou been sexually assaulted well I mean the problem needs to be fixed so if the problem is going to be fixed I don't think the answer is chastity belts I don't think the answer is that either I think the answer is
07:01:28
Deaself-control and seeing human beings as things that are worthy of respect not assaulting them I think that's the answer I don't know well I would just ask for a little bit lower of a
07:01:39
Shelby Claytonpercentage because that is pretty insulting like dating apps like the first like thing a lot of guys will say is just something lustful well I mean you
07:01:49
Brian Atlasare you're engaging with hookup culture you're in a position where you're putting yourself out there I mean most women that I know on tender most men that I know on tender as well like are
07:02:01
Brian Atlasvery much on there to engage and hook up culture tnder though hold on the Internet is like both men and women receive all kinds of like ridiculous stuff on the internet your your
07:02:12
Brian Atlascomplaint here has shifted from like an actual crime to a man saying like an inappropriate perhaps sexual statement on a dating app like grow some thicker
07:02:22
Brian Atlasskin yeah guys shouldn't be doing that but like a guy's like oh nice titties on a dating app bro grow thicker skin I mean
07:02:32
DeaI got my first gun at 18 my first pistol I was gifted it because of men because my parents were worried about the hobbies that I have and me encountering
07:02:42
Deaa man you know doing one of those things whether it was you know going on a dirt biking trip and them seeing that I was alone and them you know trying to come after me there or whether it was
07:02:54
Deabackpacking and somebody you know trying to stalk me like I had happened so you know there there is something that's not talked about there I'm not saying that men are innately horrible I'm not saying that a men you know innately want to
07:03:06
Deasexually assault women and I do think there are a lot of great men out there however there's something that's not really spoken about most women I mean I I don't know the statistic but a lot of these women have have been assaulted and
07:03:19
Brian Atlasand if if yeah well hold on I I want to challenge this this assault thing because there's all these surveys that are out there rain publishes it these other places publish it and if you actually I I've actually investigated
07:03:30
Brian Atlasthese surveys they do now we can go off like FBI and doj statistics when it comes to violent crime because that's you say well they don't report how else can we make a determination as to what
07:03:43
Brian Atlasactually has happened and what doesn't unless we're looking at crime statistics but if we're looking at surveys which are dubious at best and these mind you these surveys have significant bias and
07:03:55
Brian Atlasa lot of these surveys one there's self- selection people are like oh I want to answer this I don't um if you actually look at the content of it what they include there's like different levels of
07:04:06
Brian Atlaswhat they'll consider assault and in the surveys they'll ask women questions like have you ever been cat called I don't think cat calling is appropriate I don't
07:04:16
Brian Atlasthink you have been sexually assaulted if a guy said an inappropriate thing to you in the street I don't think men should do it I think it's wrong but they
07:04:25
Brian Atlasinclude that in the statistics to try to forward a narrative and Pad the num to make it to create this sort of fear dynamic in women that this is something
07:04:36
Brian Atlasthat is far more common than it actually is it's I think it's insulting to women who are actually victims of awful crimes
07:04:46
Brian Atlasuh but to include things like cat calling or inappropriate jokes or um a guy I read one of these uh if your
07:04:57
Brian Atlasboyfriend wants to break up with you because you no longer have sex with him that sexual coercion I'm sorry if whether you're a man or a woman if your partner no longer wants to have sex with you if you're a woman you can dump the
07:05:10
Brian Atlasguy if you're a man you can dump the woman that's not a sex crime that's not sexual assault that's not sexual coercion that's just a fair expectation to have in a relationship but because
07:05:20
Brian Atlasthese feminist institutions want to pad their position they're going to include cat calling and um inappropriate jokes and a boyfriend who breaks up with his
07:05:32
Deagirlfriend or maybe says he wants to break up with her because they're not having sex anymore okay I I never argued a statistic CU I don't know any of the statistics and so what I'm saying here
07:05:43
Deais actual sexual assault that's sexual harassment there's a clear line with that even in the workplace but they include that in the sexual assault statistics that's yeah I understand that and you know that's definitely worked then because women do have a sense of
07:05:56
Brian Atlasfear around men like you do not want to be the only woman in a room of 20 guys it's it's but if you're going to throw out a statistic and say no no I'm saying I'm saying all of you guys saying your
07:06:07
Brian Atlasstati no no no sorry I'm talking to the 50 centers the 60 centers and you guys if you choose to be out in the wilderness with a bear instead of a man
07:06:18
Brian Atlasyou have to understand like you have to look into that camera and say that the men in your lives your family your dads your brothers like they are included in
07:06:29
Brian Atlasthat statistic that you think like I know your experiences may have been terrible but at the same time you have to include them in there and like
07:06:39
Brian Atlasmost of you guys said you won't because that's not an accurate representation of the actual percentage I think you guys have a lot more faith in men than you
07:06:49
Brian Atlasactually think you do but that those those statistics don't reflect that at all here how about this though um why don't we just go ahead and Grant it like that that uh you know maybe the rates
07:07:02
Brian Atlasare this high is it you or me bro what do you mean 50% it's 50% you or me or Daman I guess like here's the objection here is like you I'll go ahead and Grant
07:07:15
Brian Atlasyou guys have all had terrible experiences with men maybe even to the point of like a crime you know crimes been committed um and that's terrible
07:07:23
Brian Atlasand awful and I hope that that person gets his Justice or Karma or whatever um but I guess it's like you did have a bad
07:07:34
Brian Atlasexperience with a man and then now you think all men bad now I wonder though is this sexist and I want to change change
07:07:43
Brian Atlasthe be question a little bit so let's say there's a white person who either themselves or has known people who have been assaulted by a black person they also see news stories and belong to
07:07:56
Brian Atlasonline groups and their Tik Tok Al algorithm feeds feeds them stories about black on white crime much like as a woman if you engage on Tik Tok with certain stuff that relates to sa the
07:08:07
Brian Atlasalgorithm is going to feed you more of that because of their safety concerns they are scared of black people they believe all black people have the capacity for violence or assault of some kind would this person be
07:08:24
Brian Atlasracist yes so then if women have a fear of all men because of one two three or hearing other people's poor experiences with men would this make you guys sexist
07:08:36
Deatowards men that's completely different how is it different different how is it different I do think if if you're if if you you know are not able to see the good in any man because of those
07:08:48
Deaexperiences then that is you being sexist I mean I personally have gone through things that I would rather not discuss and I still have a loving boyfriend that I plan to marry like I still love my dad very deeply I still
07:09:00
Deahave friends that I care very deeply about I have my brother that I love you know I I I don't go around assuming every man is going to do that but I I do have to be hypervigilant of certain
07:09:11
Deabehaviors that could lead to that and and having firsthand experience it's like you're aware and you start to recognize patterns and you know the sad truth is is that there's there's a lot
07:09:22
Deaof of men that that they exhibit those patterns and you notice it and you you have to take a step back now that's fine is Texas though to to for for me to is
07:09:34
Deait Tex against men for me to recognize patterns and basis base my my you would rather be in the forest with a wild an clarified it I I I changed my point when you clarified it when you clarify can we
07:09:46
Brian Atlashear from somebody with a like that actually gave a statistic like the 50 50% like what do you think of his point that he made like is that is that sexist of women to think that way
07:09:59
Meccaum wait can you repeat the question it it it has to be sexist it has to be sexist there's no way around it well sexist is the idea of like hating one gender so just because like
07:10:11
Brian Atlaswe well it could be like you have a bias or like a Prejudice so like for example if you think all uh if I thought all Latino people were criminals would this be racist I don't think all men are like
07:10:23
Shelby Claytonbad or anything but no but if you think like all men or like a high proportion of men have a propensity towards being criminals AKA essers if essaying or
07:10:35
Shelby Claytonwhatever wasn't involved if it was just like being able to get murdered that's what's like different it's the essaying part that differes the
07:10:46
Brian Atlasracism and the sexism in his example he was talking about like black people if you're constantly fed this influx of content that's making you think that black
07:10:58
Brian Atlaspeople commit a lot of crime and so then you become scared of black people we asked you do you think that's racist she said yes so then the the alternative would would also be sexist if you have
07:11:10
Brian Atlasthese experiences to automatically be applying your experiences in your situation to the majority of men that would be sexist but I'm saying when
07:11:20
Shelby Claytonyou put in the factor of being essayed into it that like just changes the whole dynamic I think it's like an exaggerated CH the dnam but not necessarily sexist
07:11:31
Brian Atlasit's it's violence against other people I I don't understand though like what so is your position like and maybe it is essay worse than
07:11:40
Shelby Claytonmurder no but I'm saying that women exp I agree with you that essay is different than murder we both have the same chance of being murdered technically but women have no we don't
07:11:52
Shelby Claytonno no no no hold on no we don't men are men are much more likely to be murdered much more likely but I mean like the act of it like if someone came into a room and just like shot like we both have
07:12:04
Shelby Claytonlike the same chance of getting shot like just theoretically but like men have less chance of being essayed than women sure I'll go ahead Grant what's
07:12:15
Brian Atlasyour point it aren't men more essayed because of Prisons well I me don't need to get I mean there's here's the thing if you look at the actual like the definition of grape would actually
07:12:27
Brian Atlaspreclude it from ever being considered something that can happen to men now if you include like made made to penetrate uh then perhaps those numbers even up
07:12:38
Brian Atlasbut then like uh like so man on man on man essay where the man can be penetrated if you're super antia you should be out yes it happens more to
07:12:47
Shelby Claytonwomen what's your point that you guys don't experience or understand what it like what we feel because it technically like so you're saying men can't be
07:12:58
Brian Atlasessayed no like a man could be essayed by imagine imagine no cuz and like the whole you guys you said you guys are stronger than us too do you want to know something that's funny is I get I get
07:13:09
Brian Atlasall of the exact type of cat calls that you guys get from men from men as well in fact like because of my following on YouTube like I get I get a very very similar amount in a situation of getting
07:13:22
Shelby Claytonessayed you'd have a better chance of being able to not because you have the same physical strength as the other man yeah so I'm so we're already at a disadvantage I'm happy to just go ahead
07:13:34
Brian Atlasand Grant your position uh essay is a bigger concern for women that in is for men what I agree but you do have to the
07:13:44
Brian Atlasthe statement is is it sexist to have this like General fear or bias of all men or like this hes hesitancy towards all
07:13:54
Deamen so I I definitely felt like I became sexist after what had happened for a little bit I was afraid of but you have to work through it it's just like if you're a little kid right and you don't understand depth yet and
07:14:06
Deayou walk onto a cliff and you fall right let's say the Cliff's not that high right it's like 5T and you hurt yourself okay so after that you understand Cliff equals fall so you have to change that
07:14:17
Deain your brain to understand that man does not mean hurt like man does not mean you know danger now that's something that takes a lot of work you're literally training yourself cuz that's a stimulus you you've had the
07:14:29
Deastimulus you see the cause and effect and so you create a perception based off of that you create a mental set a data set around men based off of that so you have to then retrain yourself to trust
07:14:39
Deamen again and that's you know if you don't then yes you you said yes you said yes it I'm trying to I'm trying to like help people understand how the other women are thinking the way that they are
07:14:52
Deaif you haven't trained yourself to rewire that so you're not afraid of men anymore you're still going to have that fear like like we said earlier when I was like okay a man following me or a bear following me I would rather have
07:15:04
Deathe bear cuz I'd get killed rather than assaulted and then killed like that is a fear that is in your head but you have to learn how to rewire it okay it's do you think it's
07:15:15
Bellasexist okay what I wanted to comment on was I think that black men being considered quote unquote violent has nothing to do with the race and more of the
07:15:25
Bellaenvironment true or false wait what like going back to the whole like racism part uhhuh and so what do you mean the
07:15:35
Brian Atlasenvironment like how do you explain it hold how about this um would you like if you guys saw a group of men coming at you and you were walking alone it was late at night or whatever would you
07:15:47
Ebonycross the street okay now do you think that's sexist to do that I feel like in order for it to be sex it has to be irrational I don't think it's irrational to it's
07:15:58
Shelby Claytonlike if you see a group of black women walking towards you I wouldn't really necessarily feel inclined to cross the street if I saw a group of black men walking towards me yeah so it has nothing to do with
07:16:09
Brian Atlasrace but if a certain population commits a certain percentage of the crime does that make you racist for avoiding them
07:16:21
Brian Atlasmore no the situation ofing but but so but the the scenario would just simply be if if it if it's not here if it's
07:16:33
Brian Atlasracist to cross the street if you see a group of Latino people or black people or whatever racial group if that's if
07:16:43
Brian Atlasthat would be racist to do then it would have to also be sexist if you cross the street because you saw a group of men regard it doesn't matter what the RAC is I would cross the street depending on
07:16:54
Brian Atlastheir Ral in it's depending on if it's yeah but okay what if somebody did cross the street because they saw a group of black people it wouldn't matter not be racist okay then it would have to it would have to be sexist to
07:17:07
Brian Atlascross the street if you saw a group of okay so if you saw a group of men I it could be Latino it could be it could be Latino it could be any race I'm just
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Myinusing okay so at night say if you saw a group of men at night and you're alone will you cross the street or you're just
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Myingoing to walk like normal like a group of men at night mhm you wouldn't
07:17:32
Brian AtlasWould I Do It um that's a good question uh huh are you sexist bro see would you feel more scared to
07:17:43
Brian Atlascome across a group of men than aoup but I want the thing is is I want you guys hon you if it was a group of white dudes
07:17:52
Brian AtlasI would not care at all wa boy not at all not at all because there are specific people that commit a
07:18:03
Ebonycertain amount of the crime and there's a certain gender that also commits a certain amount of a crime yeah but even like with that statistic of there's a certain group of people like most of those people that you're talking about
07:18:14
Brian Atlasare men when it comes to Crime everything yeah you're talking about oh how black people commit you're talking about black people committing 50% of the crime or something well that's the original yeah that's the original thing that we were using if somebody is constantly
07:18:26
Brian Atlasportrayed to them like hey like a certain number or a certain group of people is committing most of the crime and then you're just fed that information over and over again just
07:18:38
Brian Atlaslike somebody who gets sa they're fed over and over again like this be wary of men be careful around men like ultimately I don't think that it would make you racist I don't think it would
07:18:50
Ebonymake you sexist like in either of those scenarios I don't so you don't think it would be racist across the street because there's a group of black people walking towards you at
07:18:59
Brian Atlasnight do I think that it would be racist for me to walk across the street no I do not think it would I do have to move things on here to try to just get this uh we got drag drag ises chair three
07:19:12
Brian Atlasyou're out here selling overpriced self-esteem issues to the world's weakest men acting like it's some Grand Revolution take a bow you're the MLM scam of modern dating please get back to your mother's
07:19:23
Ebonybasement I really don't care so funny these men sending half of their weekly income like to talk to me like please go and spin it on a woman
07:19:35
Brian Atlasget some coochie stop being mad uh let's see here just a couple things here I won't hit everything uh we have uh where did where did it go uh Ana so the statement is acceptable to refuse
07:19:47
Brian Atlasto date a transgender person because they are trans to which you disagreed with um yeah like I agreed that it's okay to refuse that you
07:19:59
Brian Atlasdisagreed that it's okay to refuse yes so the statement oh no that's not what I mean then you got mixed up that's I the other way around that's fine I was so we were having a thing a back and forth though really quick on the trans thing
07:20:11
Brian Atlaswe'll wrap that up super quick do one two or three more and then we're going to wrap the show um so what was your position again on the whole like trans stuff um yeah I I used to be transphobic
07:20:23
Ebonybut I think trans women are women wait and she used to be she can you say that again yeah I used to be trans I used to be like everyone else oh what about the bathrooms like no okay but then you're
07:20:36
Ebonynot scared of men coming into the women's bathrooms men as in trans women yeah this goes back to the bear thing like yeah this is all oh you'd rather pick a bear first of all I don't but
07:20:47
Brian Atlasyou'd rather be in a bathroom with a dud controversial opinion bathrooms being segregated is stupid bathrooms shouldn't be segregated bathrooms shouldn't be segregated y'all y'all pee all over the
07:20:59
Ebonyand that's that's the that's the main reason why bathrooms are segregated because men are disgusted by women's periods and women leave the bathroom discuss I'm not really interested in the bathroom conversation but let's get into
07:21:09
Brian Atlaslike the the the like actual Crux of the conversation so um our trans your position is transgender women are women mhm are transgender women
07:21:20
Brian Atlasfemale no no oh okay because female would be sex huh okay all right I don't really have much to argue with really oh cuz we're getting into the Trump but you you
07:21:32
Brian Atlasdifferentiate obviously between sex and gender yeah okay and you're fine though if like I I think here you didn't say anything about not straight forment to
07:21:42
Brian Atlasno you're fine with uh so you think uh a man dating a transom is uh that wouldn't be straight no okay all right well I that would be pansexual panexual okay we
07:21:54
Brian Atlasdidn't talk about plastic surgery at all do you want to touch on that I think didn't we we talked like n two minutes n no uh let's see here we got a couple on oops my
07:22:06
Brian Atlasbad um I don't know most of you just agree with every you guys are all super based uh DEA says except for you wait maybe you ex this out you can be sexist
07:22:17
Brian Atlastowards men but no I think you can be sexist towards men oh okay never mind then uh that's what I just said Samson so the statement women have equal rights to men in the USA you disagree do you
07:22:28
Samsonwant to elaborate on that um um I thought I we do have equal rights in the USA it's in the workforce I think oh like wage Gap oh no I don't know what did I also Mecca you disagree women you
07:22:40
Meccadisagree that women have equal rights in the USA oh my God chill out um yeah I disagree because um like like right now like for example Donald Trump he's trying to like uh ban abortion stuff like if it was equal he
07:22:53
Meccawould like let a woman choose what to do with her own body like that's not like for a man to decide so if it was equal like it would just be like okay it's her choice you know well I'm not sure though if
07:23:06
Brian Atlaswouldn't if it was equal if he actually wanted to make it equal between men and women wouldn't it require that there just be an outright 100% abortion ban
07:23:17
Brian Atlasbecause like men can't get abortions they can't compel women to get abortions have kids they they can't have right but like if if we're talking about equality typically we're talking about equal rights we're talking about doing a
07:23:30
Brian Atlascompar comparison between a right that a man has versus a right that a woman doesn't have men have no Reproductive Rights so the actual equality between men and women if that's what we're
07:23:40
Brian Atlastalking about would dictate that women can't get abortions period at all we could say you know if you think if you think it's a
07:23:51
Brian Atlasright uh a women's rights issue I think that's perhaps different but equal rights pertain equal rights to men pertains to comparisons between men and women okay
07:24:02
Brian Atlasother than like women's rights then oh but then that's a separate conversation I'm just thinking equality between men and women men don't have Reproductive Rights so what could be equal an
07:24:14
Brian Atlasalternative form of equality if women can have abortions uh if the woman wants to keep the child the man can say well I'm going to do uh it's called Legal paternal surrender I don't have to be
07:24:25
Brian Atlasresponsible I don't have to pay you child support I can just revoke my uh Financial Obligations that would be a form of equality at least as close as
07:24:35
Brian Atlasyou can get to equality if women have abortion rights would you be in favor of that um of them like yeah so like let's say let's say uh abortion rights are
07:24:47
Brian Atlasprotected but in order to get that men which it's not the case but men can say well um like let's say there's a one night stand the girl gets pregnant she wants to keep it the man didn't want it
07:24:58
Brian Atlashe's not financially ready he uh doesn't want to be a father he doesn't want to have a parental role she wants to keep it though so he's like well okay um do you think men should just be able to sit
07:25:10
Brian Atlasthrow their hands up walk away not have any Financial or parental responsibility to the child you think that's fair I mean they already do but no I mean you could go you have a kid right yeah right
07:25:21
Brian Atlasum does he pay child support no he just helps out willingly right yeah yeah but if he stopped helping out you could go to court and force him to pay for the CH how's your kid uh she's almost one year yeah he would have to pay for that kid
07:25:34
Brian Atlasuh depends on the state anywhere from 18 to 21 years and you could force him to do it and he would have no say he can I don't want to do that nope the court says you're going to pay it if you don't we're going to garish your wages we're going to take money from your bank
07:25:46
Brian Atlasaccounts we're going to take money from any sort of uh liquid cash that you have and if you don't if you don't we're going to punish you and we're going to send you to jail well I think it's Case
07:25:56
Meccaby case but in that case of um the the girl wants to keep the guy doesn't then yeah I think he has the right to say well I don't want it I don't no well he has the right to say that but like if if
07:26:08
Meccayou're like what you're saying like if if they were allowed to say like to remove like paternity then yeah he has that right no well like I know it's not a real thing but like if if it was then
07:26:20
Brian Atlasyeah he you would be you would be in favor of that sort of legal Arrangement where the guy could just without needing the woman's permission he would just say nah you take care of it I'm out peace yeah never asked to pay child supp
07:26:32
Brian Atlasthat's only fair you know but that's not the case right but I I guess what I'm saying is that would be about as close as to equality if abortion remains legal
07:26:42
Brian Atlasthat's about as close as it would be now if you're uh boyfriend partner whatever the complicated situation if he just dipped and stopped Prov like paying
07:26:54
Meccayou any money would you seek child support no no but you could and you could force him to pay yeah but if he doesn't want to I wouldn't force them but if that that's that's his choosing
07:27:05
Brian AtlasCourt would force him yeah but when it comes to the government the state will eventually send him to jail that's actually taking away fun kind of ironically taking away his bodily
07:27:16
Brian Atlasautonomy well yeah but if I don't like initiate that then they can't see sure yeah you're right like a woman could choose not to uh I think most women do
07:27:26
Brian Atlasseek child support uh from through the State and also here's the other catch let's say you have no intention of ever um like you you're not going to go to
07:27:38
Brian Atlasthe state but if you ever even just momentarily need to go on any sort of uh what's it called like government Aid like if you go get need uh like medical
07:27:50
Brian Atlasor you need um I forgot what it's called Uh you need a not food what's it called uh Medicaid food stamps EBT yes EBT uh food assistant they're going to it automatically you
07:28:03
Brian Atlascan't tell them no no no no no I want food assistance uh I want medical I want like uh government health insurance they're going to go after him for child support regardless of what you
07:28:13
Meccawant so that's another component there do you think the judicial system should be changed to accommodate that to
07:28:23
Brian Atlasaccommodate um men being able to get out of Child Support easily um women are never going to advocate for that CU that's true equality at the end