Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224
Date: 2025-01-29
Duration: 8h 22m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Shelby Clayton(guest)
SPEAKER_03Michaela Quan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Samson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Myin(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brandon Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_11Ebony(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mecca(guest)
SPEAKER_13Dea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Ana(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:26
QuoteBella introduces herself as an OnlyFans creator who dropped out of college after 1.5 years.
“hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years”
00:11:52
QuoteBrandon Clark announces he is a virgin unprompted during introduction.
“I am a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now”
00:12:42
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself after shaving his beard — panel shocked by his new look.
“what happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard”
00:22:12
QuoteMyin reveals she was a flying trapeze artist and aerialist who worked for a circus for a decade and lived abroad.
“I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion tamer no he was the general manager”
00:48:27
ControversyAndrew argues women who demand equality should not also demand chivalry (flowers, doors, etc.). Dea pushes back strongly. Extended debate about woodworking, sailboat skills, and toxic femininity.
“I still don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and Status”
01:37:55
QuoteEbony claims women don't need men and women would do better if men disappeared overnight.
“I don't think that women like a lot of people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be perfectly fine”
02:12:03
QuoteEbony admits she doesn't know what a "stud" is in construction context, saying it's a dog or a lesbian.
“what about a circular saw how does that work i've never seen one do you know what the stud is no”
02:23:52
QuoteEbony says she doesn't know who Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, or MLK are. Would put them all in cages.
“I don't know who that is... Nelson Mandela... I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for”
03:09:53
QuoteRatings round: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 ("inbred 5 on camera but 9 in real life"), Brian=8, Andrew=10.
“going back to Michaela and then back I would say 10 10 okay six six all right wow nine all right 10 10 okay I would say seven but six all right I think I'm 10”
03:11:00
ControversyAndrew refuses to accept Dea's reasoning for why she can't rate him objectively. Dea eventually gives him a 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Rachel Wilson messages from home backing Andrew.
“I'm just saying I think most people would say from... no you you didn't even have to do the impression”
03:25:08
QuoteRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) messages during the show: "When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after 3 hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way you accuse him of being difficult while no self-awareness."
“we got a message from Rachel Wilson Andrew Wilson's wife when Andrew find oh we should do a Rachel Wilson Cameo”
04:09:24
QuoteDea reveals she dated an NHL player and a Portuguese soccer player while modeling.
“a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey player but you in relationship those were all very short”
04:13:45
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves the show before the Ebony tweets segment. Brian noted he had tried to keep him for it.
“I wasn't here I was in the... he's gone I was hoping we could get into this”
04:31:22
ControversyAndrew delivers the "faking virtue" argument: women who slept with men they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue, and therefore the guy they claim to like is someone they're just "settling" for.
“what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me”
04:59:29
QuoteBrian's cheeseburger analogy: "making a man wait while her previous 10-20 partners paid $1 for a cheeseburger, then charging him $1,000 because she likes him more."
“I've said it before on the show so it's like making a man wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger”
05:18:52
QuoteBella tells story of a guy who wore a VR headset watching Pornhub while having sex with her because he couldn't get hard.
“he basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset... he searched up Pornhub and then he like”
05:22:00
QuoteBrian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him and explains his daily bow requirement for his girlfriend.
“I do want my girlfriend to do a a respectful bow I expect... it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I prefer deep bow”
05:31:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Dea's Christian theology on submission. Dea eventually concedes she would sell her sailboat if her husband asked her to, per Ephesians 5:22.
“if that's his will then yes... your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it if if that's his will then yes”
05:37:58
QuoteBrandon Clark confirms he is a Christian nationalist who supports patriarchy.
“I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality and yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah”
06:14:42
QuoteBrian fake-proposes to Myin with a ring pop to get her to reveal her body count.
“myin Gertrude wait you can't see it what oh there you go will you marry me wait what will you marry me”
06:18:33
ControversyBrian reads Ebony's tweets live on stream including "Slayer of white men," men should be slaves, men shouldn't vote, home-wrecking, male chastity cages, and reparations tweets. Panel reacts with shock. Ebony defends them as genuine beliefs.
“I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me... men deserve to be treated less than dogs”
06:19:00
QuoteEbony proposes men should be in chastity cages and have 11pm curfews. Multiple women raise hands in favor.
“I think men should be in chassity cages I think we as a society Society should normalize that... I think men should have curfews”
06:23:00
QuoteEbony says men shouldn't vote and men make make are the reason for societal problems.
“I think that men voting is why we're in this predicament now”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Introductions & Relationship Statuses
Brian and all guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then go around the table on current relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with who.
00:31:30
TTS/Viewer Questions — First Date Flowers & Buzz Cut Prices
Viewer-submitted hypotheticals: high-profile job vs $100k sewer cleaning; how much to buzz hair off. Also Trump-as-trans-woman president and WWII trade questions. Discussion on flowers on first dates.
00:41:47
Chivalry vs Equality — Andrew's Position
Andrew Wilson argues women who demand equality shouldn't also demand chivalry. Dea defends acts of kindness. Discussion spirals into Christianity's patriarchal structure, female apostles, and submission theology.
01:19:00
Myin: Too Nice/Submissive — Can Women Be TOO Nice?
Brian deep-dives into Myin's background: Always in relationships since 19, often the caregiver/financier for weak men. Cultural Japanese upbringing causing her to be too generous. Lived abroad/circus career. Brian advises her not to let American culture corrupt her traditional values.
01:37:46
Women Don't Need Men — Ebony's Position & Debate
Ebony claims women would fare better if all men disappeared. Andrew and Brian counter with infrastructure statistics (99% male linemen, 94% loggers, etc.). Debate on whether women gravitate to those jobs by choice or due to patriarchy. Includes pickle jar challenge, "do you know what a stud is" moment.
01:47:55
Men vs Women in the Workforce / Apocalypse Scenario
Continuation of women-don't-need-men theme: Brian shows stats of male-dominated critical infrastructure jobs (99% linemen, 94% truck drivers, etc.). Argument about what would happen if men disappeared overnight.
02:35:45
Age Gap Relationships & Phenotype/PDF Debate
Debate on whether age gap relationships are immoral. Ebony argues men attracted to "childlike phenotypes" are PDF files. Andrew and Brian expose contradictions in her logic. Discussion on mature-looking vs young-looking body types.
03:09:53
Ratings Round — Self-Ratings (1-10 scale)
Stiffler (viewer) asks all guests to rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Results: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 (on camera he says "inbred 5 but 9 in real life"), Brian=8 (consistent 8), Andrew=10. Followed by AI-aging photos of all panelists. Discussion on when women peak in attractiveness.
03:10:27
Woodworking Debate & Andrew Rates Himself a 10
Dea claims to do woodworking; Andrew challenges what woodworking actually means. Andrew insists he's a 10; Dea gives him a subjective 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Long debate on whether beauty can be assessed objectively. Rachel Wilson messages from home.
04:09:00
Dea: Dating Professional Athletes & Makeup-Free Living
Dea reveals dating NHL player and Portuguese soccer player briefly while modeling. Currently with her best friend (6'4"). Brian calls out height hypocrisy. Dea explains her natural/no-makeup lifestyle and DIY product-making.
04:26:10
Hookup Culture, Faking Virtue & The "Jipped" Argument
Andrew delivers Brian's "faking virtue" argument: women who were promiscuous with guys they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue. The man is "settling" for someone who won't sleep with him. Mecca's stripper-club origin story illustrates the point. Brian's cheeseburger analogy.
05:22:00
Brian's Bow Video & Biblical Submission
Brian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him. Panel reacts. Dea and Andrew debate biblical submission (Ephesians 5:22). Dea concedes she would sell her boat if husband asked. Brandon reveals he supports patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
06:14:30
Body Count Round
Brian tries to get body counts around the table. Brian fake-proposes to Myin. Mecca says ~8. Dea declines (was assaulted). Samson declines but says motivated by love/fantasy. Most guests decline. Ebony gets called non-binary by mistake.
06:18:33
Ebony's Controversial Tweets & Findom Worldview
Brian reads Ebony's tweets live: "Slayer of white men," men should be in cages, curfews for men, men shouldn't vote, men deserve to be slaves, etc. Panel reacts. Dea and Shelby push back. Ebony defends her views as genuine, not just marketing. Also announces men's income should go to wives and male chastity cages should be normalized.
06:19:00
Curfews for Men & Male Chastity Cages
Ebony proposes men should have 11pm curfews and be put in chastity cages. Multiple women at table raise hands in favor of curfews. Brian, Dea, and Shelby push back.
06:48:50
Bear vs Man in the Forest
Classic viral question: cross paths with a bear or a man in the forest alone? Many women choose bear due to fear of assault. Brian challenges the percentages. Dea shares real experience of being followed by a man for 10 miles while backpacking.
07:38:00
Relationship Advice & Final Topics
Brandon shares positions on patriarchy and arranged marriage. Final viewer chats and roast session. Guests share their types. Brian shares his ideal partner. Call to action for Bella and Mecca to quit sex work.
07:53:52
Roast Session & Show Wrap
Viewers send in roasts of panelists. Ebony fires back at trolls. Guests share Harry Potter houses. Final call to action. Brian raids Monkey News on Twitch.
Transcript
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04:42:20
Brian Atlaspotential he waits who he has to wait for sex but the guy who's maybe going to treat you poorly who's a jerk [ __ ] [ __ ] boy he hits right away like that's what's confusing because she doesn't
04:42:31
Andrew Wilsonwant him to stay around is long-term relationship success so so so hang on so let me just ask you from the from the from the guy's perspective say let's say
04:42:41
Andrew Wilsonyou and I are sitting down for dinner say look I only [ __ ] the guys I don't like what should my play what should my play be what should my play be then
04:42:53
Andrew Wilsonshould it be like I really want you to like me or should it be I really want you to not like me like what should my play be Andrew that's actually a really good I I think we've talked about this
04:43:05
Brian Atlasbefore but that's actually a really good point so your position is if a guy wants to get sex he has to be the bad dude no he has to you guys are incentivizing it
04:43:17
Brian Atlasmen will do what works men okay I think he has to be attractive no men will do what works so like oh you reward the guys who treat you like [ __ ] and you [ __ ] him right away is it any surprise
04:43:29
Brian Atlasthat if you guys are like giving yourself sexually to these awful men that you're reinforcing their behavior well men don't treat you like [ __ ]
04:43:38
Ebonybefore they have sex with you really no okay like I don't think Mo like have you guys ever gotten treated like [ __ ] by a guy wait wait wait though just because
04:43:49
Andrew Wilsonhe sleep but but you sleep with men that you don't like and you won't sleep with men that you do like so if I'm a man who
04:43:57
Brian Atlaswants to sleep with you what should I be what should my goal here be to make you what like me or not like me well I don't think isn't that what you said like he's we're our response is going off of what
04:44:10
Ebonyyou said you said well they sleep with they sleep with a man that they don't like didn't you say that yeah don't want for a long-term relationship maybe he maybe he's highly desirable like maybe he's highly attractive or he has a lot
04:44:23
Ebonyof money he has a lot of women chasing after him so you already know he's not really looking to commit to anyone but he's attractive like I wom settling no sometimes like he's just hot and you just you just you're not
04:44:34
Ebonysettling I think when women how are you not settling I think when women sleep around they usually go for men who are of like a higher status and like more attractive more money whatever because they know that those men are just not
04:44:46
Andrew Wilsongoing to stick around cuz they have more options let me let me get this right I here's your position women are having sex with men who are high status who they don't
04:44:57
Andrew Wilsonactually like who they know they can't actually get when comes to you though they really like you so they're not going to sleep with you right which literally means you're not high status
04:45:09
Ebonyand we're settling no they have to like them it's just that they don't see a long-term relationship with them yeah okay they don't relationship with so so then my goal should be for
04:45:22
Andrew Wilsonyou to not see a long-term relationship with me then if you're just looking if I want to have sex for casual sex as a man sure yeah okay so then the best way to have sex with a woman is that she
04:45:34
Andrew Wilsondoesn't like you and you tell her that you don't want a longterm relationship she has to like you have to be attractive you have to be desable to her yeah sure you're attractive you're desable but if she tells you she doesn't want to sleep with you cuz she really
04:45:46
Andrew Wilsonlikes you then that must mean you're not attractive and desirable she just not exceptional I you're just not exceptional oh okay he was exceptional I'm not exceptional
04:45:58
Andrew Wilsonyou're settling right I women do settle when it comes okay right so you're settling that's it so Brian once again Brian's
04:46:08
Andrew Wilsonargument King no refuge ations whatsoever it's just the entailment that you are settling and faking virtue for men you claim you like who you won't sleep with and this is a problem from
04:46:20
Andrew Wilsonthe Christian ethic I really want to destroy this guy on this I want to completely melt Brian's mind on this but apparently he's right because what you what the
04:46:31
Deaentailment is always is we're settling for you right um but if you were exceptional we'd [ __ ] you so so is is that better to have one night with
04:46:43
Deasomebody versus you could be married to them and then if your goal is sex with somebody being married to them means that you have a longlasting relationship I'll question I'll answer your question
04:46:54
Deaso in this scenario the guy you're saying it's better to be married to this woman no we don't want to Mar want Mar woman I'm that's not what I'm saying I'm
04:47:05
Deasaying that you know if if you're saying is this based purely off of can how quickly I can have sex with a woman is that is that the basis of the conversation based on no no no let me
04:47:17
Andrew Wilsonexplain okay it's based on this if you have had sex with men before very quickly but you will not have sex with the the guy you're with and tell
04:47:27
Andrew Wilsonhim it's because you really like him and want it to go somewhere right the idea from the gal I was just speaking to I'm very sorry I I wasn't here right for the beginning of the show so I didn't catch
04:47:37
Andrew Wilsonyour name she said and I quote well women do settle you're obviously not exceptional that's exactly how the guy would feel he would say why do these
04:47:49
Andrew Wilsonother men get to have sex with you who you say you didn't like but I don't get to have sex with you when you claim I like you that makes no [ __ ] sense that that's fair I I can't comment on
04:48:01
Brian Atlasthat yeah so I guess here's the confusion that I have I just have a question for the panelist so who do you think like which man is I guess more deserving what you say is more deserving
04:48:13
Brian Atlasof sex the guy who you see a long-term potential with or I guess the guy who you don't see long-term potential with
04:48:23
Brian Atlaslongal longm long-term guy okay but so here's the confusing part you you say he's more deserving of it but you're you're saying here that you're
04:48:34
Brian Atlaswithholding sex from The Men Who arguably deserve the most and they put in the most effort uh but you're giving it away freely to the guys who are kind
04:48:45
Brian Atlasof like maybe they're really attractive but they're [ __ ] boys whatever maybe they you know they put in minimal or no effort and a lot of men see this you know maybe they never had to pay for a date never had to be shalis etc etc I
04:48:58
Brian Atlasthink we were maybe were we talking about chivalry earlier today I don't yeah uh so what do men see they see why should I do all the chivalrous stuff
04:49:09
Brian Atlasthat women claim names that they claim they want uh all the shival stuff that women demand needs to be in place before having sex but then you know that she
04:49:21
Brian Atlasfreely has given herself to men who did not do those things so like I'm I don't know the sexual history of the panelist here but like it's maybe fair to say
04:49:32
Brian Atlasthat some of you have had um this isn't a judgment but you've maybe like had a one night stand or hooked up with a guy relatively quickly who didn't pay for dates didn't get you flowers reacted to
04:49:42
Brian Atlasflowers before didn't do all that shiver stuff and it's like men see that men see this you guys are giving sex to the men that aren't chalous that are just like
04:49:54
Brian Atlastext you at 11:00 p.m. on a Friday night what you doing terrible grammar by the way they have terrible grammar too not the the men what you doing they can they they
04:50:05
Brian Atlastext at a fifth grade level or some [ __ ] um and then it's like like oh now you're 30 now you want after you gave yourself to all these other men who didn't have
04:50:16
Deato put in any effort now you want me to put in all this effort that's crazy you're you're commenting on what's the problem with hookup culture in our society like that is the issue is that
04:50:27
Deaby having hookup culture we are perpetuating a society where it's okay to treat women poorly because as long as you're attractive as long as you have high status yeah treat that's women
04:50:38
Andrew Wilsontreating men poorly not men treating women it's it's it's both it takes two to have a hookup culture no no in this case it don't it's just women treating men poorly what they're doing is gaslighting men they're saying listen I
04:50:50
Andrew Wilsonreally like you and so I'm not going to sleep with you I just slept with the three guys before you though because I didn't like them that is the stupidest [ __ ] that I've ever heard in my life and
04:50:59
Andrew Wilsonthere are men who fall for that but this is not a cause of men men what how are men causing that I'm not say how exactly are men marting
04:51:11
Andrew Wilsonin order to Gaslight them with this [ __ ] like they're not I'm not saying that I'm saying that hookup culture as a whole is negative for society it seems like it's perpetuated by women and not men women are the gay keepers of sex not men you
04:51:24
Andrew Wilsonwanted equality if you the second you say that there's equality egalitarianism between men and women women can make those decisions and women are making the decision to be promiscuous and have lots of sex they're The Gatekeepers of sex
04:51:36
Deathey're the determiners of who gets sex and who doesn't how do you not place this s at the feet of women I I mean I I do that's why you know in the Bible it says you said it was men treating women
04:51:47
DeaI'm saying I'm saying that no no hold up I'm saying that by perpetuating hookup culture we are perpetuating the idea that it's okay to treat women who we we women by hooking up with men are
04:51:58
Deaperpetuating the idea that it's okay to treat women poorly we're perpetuating the idea that sex is meaningless that it it that a sin has now become normalized
04:52:08
Andrew Wilsonthat should be you're not perpetuating that men treat women poorly notating thaten treat men poorly I'm saying that sex should not be outside of marriage that's what I'm
04:52:20
Andrew Wilsonsaying I'm saying yeah I know I get it I agree with you sex shouldn't be outside of marriage but what you're actually advocating for here is the opposite of what you think you're not saying that you're that men are treating women poorly you're saying that women are
04:52:32
Andrew Wilsontreating men poorly you're saying that women are gaslighting men they're saying to them I slept with three guys before you that they meant nothing to me but you baby I love you so you get to wait
04:52:44
Andrew Wilsonthat's nothing more than complete gaslighting and virtue signaling what else could that be and would would that not then incentivize the man to treat you like [ __ ] so that you would sleep with him if his if his goal is sex then
04:52:56
Andrew Wilsonyeah that that would incentivize that's what I'm saying is hookup we're not disagreeing we're agreeing what what if this goal wasn't sex it was a long-term relationship how would that make it better like even if my goal was to be
04:53:08
Andrew Wilsonlike I want to have a long-term relationship with with you right um why is it that you not sleeping with me would be better than you sleeping with me if you slept with the three guys
04:53:21
Brian Atlasprevious to me who you didn't even like okay that's that's fair I can't I can't talk on that subject I got I got a few more I got a few more uh things on this I got a couple another examples
04:53:32
Brian Atlashere imagine a guy saying I invested enormous amounts of time effort and money into getting sex from uh r ROM
04:53:40
Brian Atlaswomen in my 20s but now I'm lazy so I won't make any effort for uh for you who I say that you're my girlfriend or who I say you're uh you're either girlfriend
04:53:52
Brian Atlasor wife material and I want marriage with you and you have to wait three months or until marriage to get all that time effort and money I think that would be him growing
04:54:03
Brian Atlasas a person and being smart but but y'all that's maybe that's the case but I feel like a lot of women would be like okay here here's a better one you're
04:54:13
Brian Atlasdating a guy you guys been together for a year but he's kind of like he doesn't really take you out on dates doesn't really take you on dates doesn't do anything romantic never took you on a trip um doesn't want to meet doesn't
04:54:27
Brian Atlaswant to introduce you to his parents doesn't want to meet your parents but he's like I love you babe I care about you so much you're the one you find out that his last three girlfriends he did all that [ __ ] for within 3 months and
04:54:39
Brian Atlasyou've been dating him for a year you don't feel you don't start to question wait what why did he do all that stuff for his exes but not for me maybe you
04:54:51
Brian Atlasfeel typ huh maybe because his ex has played him he felt but then but wouldn't you then think oh so I got to deal with your
04:55:00
Brian Atlastrauma and your [ __ ] from the I'm a new person right why do I have to why did you throw the dice and land on me and now I got to deal with your [ __ ] and we can't have like an em Health Rel
04:55:12
Andrew Wilsona common pattern in men that if you give them sex too early they will leave I totally agree with her Brian um I I do here let like let's do it this
04:55:24
Andrew Wilsonway maybe this is is a better way to do this I was thinking about this earlier do do all of you on the panel agree that people work through incentives right penalties and then
04:55:36
Andrew Wilsonincentives so if I penalize Behavior you're less likely to do it if I incentivize a behavior you're more likely to do it like if I say I'm going to give you $100 extra if you do this
04:55:47
Andrew Wilsonjob you're more likely to do the job right but if I say if you do this thing I don't like I'm going to dock your pay you're going to be less likely to do that thing right does everybody agree with that
04:56:00
Andrew Wilsonshow of hands if you agree that that's true just raise your hands okay great then if we're talking about penalties and incentives then isn't it true that if
04:56:11
Andrew Wilsonyou sleep with men you don't like you're incentivizing men you don't like to sleep with you show of hands if that's
04:56:21
Andrew Wilsontrue Okay then if that's the case then if you refuse to sleep with men that you do like then wouldn't that create a
04:56:31
Andrew Wilsondisincentive for the men you do like to be with you yes right so it's a matter of in
04:56:40
Andrew Wilsonincentives so literally what you're saying is we incentivize men to treat us poorly We're incentivizing Men to treat
04:56:51
Andrew Wilsonus like [ __ ] dolls and leave us because we give the incentives to the bad ones to [ __ ] us and we give the incentives to the good ones that we're not going to
04:57:00
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] them it's just it's it's like it's like candy right if I if I if I were training a dog I would train the dog when it did a good thing I would give it a treat and when it did a bad thing I
04:57:12
Andrew Wilsonwould chastise it right isn't that how you would train a dog yeah so if every single time you slept with a a bad guy that's a treat right then how are you not incentivizing
04:57:25
Ebonythat behavior right but I feel can anybody give me an explanation for that like any of you can any of you give me an explanation for that agree with you yeah I agree with you and I think hookup culture is very toxic but I think men
04:57:38
Michaela Quanperpetuate hookup culture the most okay well we can get into that in just a bit go ahead Michaela right um I mean I feel like it's a catch 22 cuz the like men
04:57:47
Michaela Quanmen not typically staying with women who do sleep with them immediately is incentivizing us to not sleep with them immediately so it just why are you sleeping with them immediately I'm I
04:58:00
Andrew Wilsonmean I'm not but I'm just saying like I why are women doing this then that makes no sense like this argument you're that you're making right now reinforces my
04:58:09
Andrew Wilsonown yes I agree if it is the case that men are more likely to move on after you have sex with them immediately then why the [ __ ] are women immediately having
04:58:20
Samsonsex with men that's why they any Somebody explain this to me because people that are only meant in that way and then there's people that you really love and you want to prove yourself so
04:58:32
Samsonyou wouldn't do that on the first Daye you care about women are just [ __ ] don't care I think a lot of women there people you don't care about but they serve energy or a day and time
04:58:44
Andrew Wilsonwhatever yeah I mean it it just sound it's it's the most counterintuitive thing I've ever heard like no about you know what you know like imagine Cindy and Shirley are having a conversation
04:58:54
Andrew Wilsonand Cindy's like you know what you know what men they only want one thing and that's to have sex and Shirley's like yeah so we should have sex with them
04:59:06
Andrew Wilsonit's like this is the stupidest [ __ ] [ __ ] I ever heard in my life why would you incentivize that behavior if you think that that behavior is bad I just like I just don't even I don't even
04:59:18
Brian Atlasunderstand it I I have a few more things here than I do want to move move on just because we have quite a bit more to get to but I one analogy I've I've said it before on the show so it's like making a
04:59:29
Brian Atlasman wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a
04:59:42
Brian Atlascheeseburger and then there's three people in line ahead of me they all pay $1 for a cheeseburger then I finally minutes later I get to the front
04:59:52
Brian Atlasof the line ask for a cheeseburger and the clerk looks at me and says it's ,000 for you sir because I like you more than those other customers those other other
05:00:03
Brian Atlascustomers were just a mistake it would be $1,000 for you you know you know what I mean okay all right it's good good talk I don't think
05:00:13
Samsonthey get it I don't know if they get it oh what I see is um you want to do good for your man uh so part of that is sex so that has nothing to do with it the reason why they're leaving these people
05:00:26
Samsonafterwards and now you have another partners because they have um obedience um they have boundaries and they know what's good for their whole life so in that time they saw something that wasn't
05:00:38
Brian Atlasright and turned away and that's strength and and I guess uh yeah I guess final thing on this and it's at least for I I I understand though as a woman it's a difficult position because on one
05:00:48
Brian Atlashand it's like it's like well am I going to lose the guy if I don't but then you're also like if I do then is he going to judge
05:00:59
Brian Atlasme or like not want to pursue long-term relationship honestly though I think if the guy is really interested in you like if if he's going in wanting a long-term relationship and you you have sex with
05:01:10
Brian Atlashim it's hard for me to see a scenario where he's like oh we just had amazing sex and I I previously wanted to have a long-term relationship with her I'm no longer interested in her because of this no there but then yes there are the men
05:01:23
Brian Atlaswho are just interested in sex that you have to be wary of uh I I get that my position though at least what I'm looking for in a woman is I'm not interested in a one night stand like if I sleep with a girl I want there to be a
05:01:34
Brian Atlascontinuity I'm pursuing like I want to pursue a relationship with a girl if I have sex with a girl like you have to [ __ ] up really bad in some way after the sex for me to be like I'd never want to see you again like if I sleep with a girl there's intention there I want
05:01:48
Brian Atlasthere to be continuity I want to keep seeing her and so at least maybe not all guys move that well I know there's guys who don't move that way there's guys who are just trying to have sex with you once goodbye nice meeting you wham bam
05:01:59
Brian Atlasthank you ma'am uh I think that's weird though for a couple different reasons but it's like from my perspective where I am interested in having a long-term relationship with a woman I I will feel
05:02:10
Brian Atlasthe type of way if I'm like you know you know cuz I think it's normal to kind of talk about like oh what's your relationship history d d and if you like sused out like oh okay maybe she's had a
05:02:20
Brian Atlascouple hookups here and there and it's like oh you want to wait three months and I mean it's like oh we we're adults both already done this I mean a
05:02:31
Brian Atlaswoman's free to do that but then I just kind of feel like she's just not she's playing a game I don't think she's even that into me and um that's just my position it's kind of like there was
05:02:43
Brian Atlasthis viral thing on Twitter a while ago where a uh a woman a guy broke up with his his girlfriend I think she she
05:02:54
Brian Atlassaid I would never hook up with you but your marriage material and like y'all women think that's a compliment that is trust me don't ever say that to a guy oh you're not the guy I would hook up with
05:03:05
Brian Atlasyou're the guy I would date or trust me don't say that to a dude because sounds horrible it's it's not good like it's not good like we want to be the guy
05:03:16
Brian Atlasthat you're you would hook up with but you also want a long-term relationship um so and also like you can start as like a bit more casual go into something more serious but yeah what's your thing don't men say the same thing like oh I'd
05:03:28
Ebonysmash her but I wouldn't date her or I wouldn't marry her oh sure yeah sure sure right do would so what does have do with anything though yeah like you guys also pick and choose who you want to have sex with
05:03:40
Deaand oh no men don't choose who they who they have sex with women choose yeah sure but you yeah men have sex with who they can women have sex with who they want I would love to hear this from a Christian male perspective like the whole sure I would love to hear that do
05:03:54
Andrew Wilsonyou think that because you're a Christian and a man that somehow that alleviates you from the same burdens of every other man on planet Earth it doesn't no women are still The Gatekeepers of sex and they're still the ultimate architects of what that will be
05:04:06
Deaand who they'll have it with I just think that most men that I know that are Christian that's not like the primary focus in their life is to have sex with a woman like they have the the reason for Christianity I mean to follow the
05:04:18
Brian Atlasprinciples in the day-to-day life right is to you're trying not to sin here let me just make it really simple um you're waiting until marriage right correct yeah I mean this is a secular conver like the this specific
05:04:30
Brian Atlastopic is probably more secular because I'm assuming like at least for him or certain Christian men they're waiting until marriage so I don't think this conversation really pertains to like a Christian D actually it does it does
05:04:41
Andrew Wilsonpertain well it pertains it might pertain to it in well would it pertain to it in the sense that the Christian man who's waiting for marriage wouldn't want to well there's no distin there's no distinction here with it it's kind of
05:04:52
Brian Atlasfun women still Christian women still P kill the choosers I I have also been in a situation with with a previous
05:05:01
Brian Atlasex-girlfriend where like she she was not a virgin and she once said something she said I I said I would have been able to get you to sleep with me right I'm like if
05:05:14
Brian Atlaswe weren't Christians and we weren't waiting till marriage and she said no I was at the point in my life at that point where I wouldn't have given it to you and I was
05:05:23
Andrew Wilsonlike I feel pretty G by that my life where I would have right that's the there right y so so the thing is is like Christian men they also have
05:05:36
Andrew Wilsonto deal with an entirely other aspect of this which is the virtue of the woman who says I'm now a reformed Christian though I was promiscuous in my past 100% and now you should accept me because I
05:05:48
Andrew Wilsonwas promiscuous in my past but Christian men still have the option of saying no I still have a preference against your former promiscuity the woman though is still the Chooser so the thing is is like no
05:06:01
Andrew Wilsonmatter what whether you're a secularist or you're a Christian or a Muslim or whatever maybe not Muslims it depends on the region right but if you're a Christian in the west we're a secularist the woman's still going to be the
05:06:13
Andrew WilsonChooser the decider on the access and gatekeeping to sex even if they're waiting to marriage you're just elongating the process right but it's still the same thing so if you were to
05:06:24
Andrew Wilsontell me let's say I was on like christianmingle.com or something and and you go we go on a date and I sit down with you and you're like look I am a shaved woman right I'm a born again
05:06:36
Andrew Wilsonvirgin though your Heyman doesn't grow back you are born again virgin uh whatever that means and you're going to go on the straight and narrow and I'm like wow that's that you know great you
05:06:48
Andrew Wilsonknow I'm glad you're a woman of virtue now that's fantastic I wouldn't hold your past against you of course you came to Christ that's fantastic but then he said something to me like yeah you know it's the guys I didn't who I would sleep
05:07:00
Andrew Wilsonwith we're still in the same exact position we've just added Jesus Christ to the mix right it's still the same thing all right there's no avoiding the question uh moving on Michaela you said dating is extremely difficult right now
05:07:13
Brian Atlasbecause people are so closed off and either their standards are too high or they don't want a relationship when you say uh their standards are too high do you think this is for for men for women for both
05:07:25
Brian Atlasum I think for both both who do you think it's like worse for like who has higher standards men or
05:07:33
Michaela Quanwomen um right now like um I don't know it's probably equal equal
05:07:43
Brian Atlasokay yeah you think social media is what's contributing to that uh yeah I think it's a big part of it yeah I think women are big
05:07:53
Brian Atlashere and have higher standards have higher stand yeah like here how about this maybe let's just maybe look at it from looks really quick um what percentage of men do you think are
05:08:07
Michaela Quanattractive um
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Brian AtlasI don't probably like 10 have you been on a dating app before yeah yeah like how many percent like what percentage of the men do you swipe yes
05:08:21
Michaela Quanfor um on a dating app probably like 10% 10% what about you like 1% huh 1% 1% of men are attractive what about
05:08:32
Ebonyyou maybe like 20% of in okay five 5% okay 15 15 okay
05:08:44
Deafive all right uh yeah I think like 5 to 10% just like in general are you asking in general are you asking on a dating up
05:08:55
Samsonhave you been on a dating up not really well it' be hard for you to answer the question then so answer it in the way that you can answer it okay um maybe 10%
05:09:05
Brian Atlasokay it's super rare seriously so like find somebody breedable breedable okay all right pump the brakes
05:09:14
Brian Atlasthere uh breedable okay um you know I'm picky Daman I'm going to send you a infographic here really quick that pertains to this uh what percentage of women do you think are attractive it's
05:09:25
Brian Atlasis it low for you it's low Brian knows I'm picky he's trying to set me up he's trying to set me up this guy dude first off set you up with a CR I I was in contact with a Christian virgin who
05:09:38
Brian Atlasreached out to be on the show I you're a virgin she's a virgin I but you didn't like her okay you didn't like but I do have oh man I hate using this word but I have a type and I have a
05:09:49
Brian Atlaslittle bit of a like roster so I mean you got to like perform a little bit better you know what I'm saying like there there are a lot of girls reaching out Brian pull it up pull it up Damian
05:10:00
Brian Atlasuh so I mean this is so this is uh and and they've replicated this sort of study and they found this like occurring in other dating apps so the uh at the top how how men rate women uh and then
05:10:11
Brian Atlasthe bottom is how women rate men uh this is on the dating app and so women are like when it comes to I think pretty sure this pertains to looks here uh men rate women pretty fairly on the bell
05:10:23
Brian Atlascurve but like women are really harsh judges of men uh in terms of their attractiveness uh they find something
05:10:31
Brian Atlaslike uh those first three bars 27 31 so that's like uh 60 that's uh like 80% so they find I would say they find 80% of
05:10:44
Brian Atlasmen like below uh below average looking which kind of pans out with some of your answers here uh 12% average 5% I guess that that would be uh like above average
05:10:56
Brian Atlas2% would be like attractive zero well 0% most wow that's brough uh it's hard out there but uh I mean just on this basis basis alone it seems like women are really picky when it comes to physical appearance I think I happen to think for
05:11:08
Brian Atlasboth men and women you can make arguments that maybe men are a little like a little more preoccupied with physical appearance but I think women are like it sort of levels out when you factor in like well maybe men care more
05:11:19
Brian Atlasabout it but also women find very few men physically attractive so I don't know uh so that's one thing uh and also I do think when it comes to the looks
05:11:29
Brian Atlasthing so uh I think when it comes to the the things that women care about when it comes to looks a lot of that stuff's out
05:11:38
Shelby Claytonof a guys control height hair penis eyes guy can't control that you know I think ating factor is that most people don't take care of their
05:11:51
Ebonyphysical appearance I mean a lot of girls like bald guys there's plenty of attractive bald men sure but most women prefer men with a full head of hair no I think it depends on the man cuz a lot of
05:12:03
Brian Atlasmen will look good bald Am I Wrong to state that most women prefer men with full head of hair I think you are but listen listen are there attractive men who are bald
05:12:16
Brian Atlasabsolutely Are there women who are attracted to bald men absolutely but I'm speaking more generalities here I do think it's fair to say in the same way that I think women are attracted to tall men like and typically the taller the
05:12:27
Brian Atlasbetter although like once you get into like you know 68 maybe women have like a preference for like 6 foot 61 62 63 uh I think generally speaking women prefer men with a full head of air
05:12:40
EbonyI don't think so you don't think so okay what percentage of women prefer bald men 51% I think women make fun of bald men but like in all actuality like we would
05:12:49
Andrew Wilsondate a bald guy y'all would date a bald I think you like bald I think I just want to make sure I'm clear I got I got I got to get clarity here it is your
05:12:59
Andrew Wilsonofficial position that women would have no preference when it comes to a man being bald or having a head of hair I just want I state that she cares about a
05:13:11
Andrew Wilsonspecific hairstyle on a guy great let's run a social experiment real quick all the girls at the table I'm going to assume all of you are maximum honest
05:13:19
Andrew Wilsonright at this moment do you prefer if you prefer men with hair raise your hand not saying it it's a deal breaker just saying you prefer it you could still date a bald guy well wait a say now hang
05:13:31
Andrew Wilsonon look around real quick you said you've never heard of a woman even one time saying this now how many women do you count that the entire panel just
05:13:41
Ebonyjust pointing that out I feel like as we get older I think like with our age okay I think with our age like yeah like we're dating someone around our age they have to have hair cuz if you don't have
05:13:51
Ebonyhair that's just odd but I feel like as you get older now she's now she's I feel like if you're if you're an older woman you're dating older men you wouldn't be like a guy being bald like
05:14:03
Brian Atlaswhat like that's a that's a problem but okay so hold on I'll I'll explore that super quick so yeah I mean as a woman ages like the the men in her age cohort
05:14:14
Brian Atlasand women are typically going to like dat a guy like women aren't you know 35-year-old woman's typically not like trying to date a 20-year-old right so she's going to be dating a guy like her age or like maybe with him 5 10 years whatever it's more common it's more
05:14:27
Brian Atlaslikely that maybe he's starting to Bald or maybe he's got a shaved head but like if you were to ask her she might be more like she has to take an assessment uh okay well I might have to like be a
05:14:38
Brian Atlaslittle more forgiving of this uh she would probably still prefer not to say she would never date a guy who's bald she'd probably still prefer a guy with a
05:14:47
Brian Atlasbig thick full head of hair okay even at 40 even at 50 there are still men at that age who do have full head of hair MH and then there's also women who are 20 and there's men who are 20 who are
05:15:00
Samsonbalding there's guys who start balding in high school right so it's like I don't know all right I got to move it on though oh quick thing congrat the Elder woman when they have a man with hair
05:15:12
Brian Atlasstill cuz they never knew it's like hitting a lottery ticket back then okay cool very cool very cool all right let's see here uh we're getting into the rest of the notes trying to move through this
05:15:23
Brian Atlasquick uh Ana is it yeah did I say it's not Anissa Ana no it's Ana uh your anti- hookup culture give us your thoughts um
05:15:33
AnaI just don't like it I mean like I used to fall into hookup culture and um for me it had effects on like my confidence and just what I thought of myself that's
05:15:44
Anajust a personal take like I don't talk down on anyone else that hook hooks up like my friends and they got like girl
05:15:52
Anago get that but just for me personally no or maybe just I've had my experience with that and it's just you realize it's not something that you want or it's not something that you're into like at the beginning it feels good then
05:16:06
Brian Atlasonce you're done it's kind of you feel a little less thin or me personally I feel a little less thin sure all right that's fair Bella getting into your notes you said your ex's mom worked as a hospital
05:16:16
Brian Atlasreceptionist and uh she didn't like you and uh went through your medical records and reported everything back to your ex so what were in your medical
05:16:28
Bellarecords and how much psychiatric treatment have you had quite a lot oh really have you been 5150 I have not but it was just like medication on there oh
05:16:37
Brian Atlaswhat was it for bipolar no it was for uh anxiety depression huh PTSD oh PTSD but
05:16:49
Brian Atlasum not trying to make it awkward did you uh did you go to war no do you [ __ ] with the war no oh okay just okay we don't have to get into the you know we won't get
05:17:01
Brian Atlasinto the causes I thought maybe it was like you saw some [ __ ] in like Iraq or something um okay uh so she reported it and then did you that seems like that's
05:17:12
Brian Atlasprobably like a HIPPA violation it is definitely and then also like totally invasive and so did you uh did you break
05:17:21
Bellaup with him or um so it's a long story but basically she kind of covered it up the way that it happened was that uh because of the fact that she worked at
05:17:32
BellaKaiser she wanted to kind of schedule me an appointment for my eyes to get it checked and and then she got my card because she was like oh like let me schedule it for you so she grabbed it and then read all of
05:17:44
Bellait and said it was an accident that had just popped up M um I mean I I believed her I I don't know what it looks like when it you scan it but I would assume
05:17:53
Brian Atlasthat it you have to go look for it damn but yeah yikes okay uh you also have a story first date Story the guy couldn't
05:18:02
Brian Atlasget hard so he wore a VR headset and made you YouTube which adult content he would watch while
05:18:12
Brian Atlashe thrusted you while being soft with the head set on while being coked out did you date him for like three years or was that was that the six Monon
05:18:24
Bellaguy was that the six-month guy no okay so this was obviously my opinions have changed on the hookup culture but this is back when like I wasn't really educated on what hookup culture actually was um I
05:18:37
Bellahad like I think like five dates with the guy and then we finally like got to it but I don't know how to explain that he basically what kind of VR was it like
05:18:48
Bellathe like the Oculus VR headset and so he was like I can't get hard so like give me a second and then he put it on oh he put it on he put it on and then you picked yeah he he searched up Pornhub and then he like feel like that's got to
05:18:59
Brian Atlasbe a little offensive to the woman like right ladies wouldn't you be upset okay you're hooking up with a guy he can't get hard and he's like uh I have to wear
05:19:10
Bellaa VR headset while having sex with you yeah and you allowed him to do that nobody he my ride home and he's also cooked out so I can't like I can't just
05:19:20
Ebonyleave so that's why you don't let them take you anymore you got make you got your own transp you should you should have married that guy no literally like that's how you tell your kids like oh
05:19:31
Brian Atlasyeah like the first time we we we had sex yeah in fact he impregnated me with a VR headset oh my goodness that's so
05:19:41
Brian Atlasromantic imagine telling like your future kids he couldn't get hard so it's like he's literally thrust me in the air okay but you never saw him again after that right no you said something you wrote something here about getting
05:19:53
Bellaleaked what is that like some some something leaked um like pictures or whatever is that what you're talking about yeah so basically I I had really
05:20:02
Bellashitty xes just but um he had to take in a recording of me and then also pictures while we were sleeping together and
05:20:12
Brian Atlasthen he got the mail and then sent it to my address under my parents name okay my goodness I is that a I think that's a crime maybe I don't know um you got
05:20:24
Brian Atlasthreatened to get married at 16 someone threatened you he threatened he was basically like he like he had a knife and he's like marry me [ __ ] like what no he was basically like if you don't marry me you don't love me you don't care about me and I was like 16 so I was
05:20:38
Brian Atlaslike damn this guy lowy thinking about it like okay uh you also got blackmailed same guy yeah same person oh okay nice wow wow uh you also wow you uh here's
05:20:50
Brian Atlasanother one you dated a guy who was homeless and you paid for his rent while while he or you were making $150 a week yeah and this was when you were 16 yeah
05:21:02
Brian Atlasso at 16 wait were you living with your parents yeah they wait hold on both are are your parents still together yeah Live Together live together you were at
05:21:13
Brian Atlasyour parents' house did you ask them that you wait he you let a homeless man move into your parents house long story short um I don't know
05:21:25
Bellaif you would consider this like actual dating or not but I met him online and then after basically but after I've talking to him for a while wait hold on
05:21:33
Brian Atlasyou met him online yeah after I how old was he 19 is that is this in California is that is that is that a
05:21:42
Bellayikes where is this so when we had meet up at what What state were you on Tinder no the date was it a dating at no it was literally through like online like
05:21:54
BellaDiscord through what it was through gaming oh gaming okay what game Siege Siege Rainbow Six Siege yeah yeah
05:22:03
Brian Atlasof course I know what that is oh oh no no [ __ ] I know what it is go ahead go ahead um okay so he's homeless trying you moved him into your parents
05:22:13
Bellahouse what's the story um okay let me have back track so we hadn't talk or we had talked for like a long time and then his parents had kicked him out he flew
05:22:24
Brian Atlasdown here and then I basically got an Airbnb for him to live in oh okay so he didn't move in with your parents no he was living in
05:22:35
Bellaan Airbnb how how long did that last for like two 3 months but then I like could not did your parents know um they knew I was like getting
05:22:47
Brian Atlashousing housing an an adult while you were oh my this just sounds that's incredible doesn't your dad no or wait I don't never mind never mind did you say
05:22:58
Brian Atlasyou were taking a break from dating H you said you were taking a break okay I understand why this is Psychopaths getting things okay all right that's cool uming damn good time um I actually know homeless guy like are
05:23:10
Brian Atlasyou down to take him in or sure I'm kidding I'm kidding her eyes lit up uh you said you disagree I don't I mean I don't know you said you we asked if you disagree with anything on the show host you said not too sure but you disagree
05:23:24
Brian Atlason Extreme uh beliefs on control I.E women are property well I don't that's not my position I don't think that's Andrew's position either but uh I don't know I
05:23:37
Brian Atlaskind of wrote that at like 3 in the morning no that's fine okay we don't have to get into that then uh but this would be a good segue though maybe you know I don't know if this is controlling it's more so what I I I'd like in a
05:23:48
Brian Atlaswoman can we pull up the clip of my ex-girlfriend please pull up the bow video and then we're going to do an Instagram react after it so this is my ex-girlfriend I
05:24:00
Brian Atlashad to dump her up start from the beginning oh my God all right go ahead boom huge bow so this is my expectation I want my girlfriend to bow to me at least once a day um preferably
05:24:11
Brian Atlasmore but you know once a day satisfactory uh you know getting my laundry ready I just was coming home from a long day shooting the podcast and very attentive which is good very
05:24:21
Brian Atlasattentive scampering to the refrigerator cracking open the beer or the whatever that was um and uh I had to scold her for those Tomatoes if you look in the bottom right
05:24:33
Brian Atlascorner she just had tomatoes that that's gross uh Play One More Time
05:24:38
Brian Atlasand then boom huge bow okay so this is uh I do want my girlfriend to do a a
05:24:49
Brian Atlasrespectful bow I expect you can't do like the that it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I
05:24:58
Brian Atlasprefer deep bow though so that's like a 90° bow right yeah so um yes do you have a problem with it anybody have any panelists have a
05:25:09
Anaproblem with my I do yeah oh speak up speak up any anybody bowing is crazy I mean like oh yeah I'll prepare food for my man you know that have food for you
05:25:22
Brian Atlaswhen you come home from a long day of work but bowing bowing for you is insane by the way I just want to make this clear I expect this of all Races I know she was an Asian women but don't any of
05:25:34
Brian Atlasyou here be racist I date white women the whitest women they can very pale they still have to bow in fact I'll the
05:25:41
Brian AtlasLatina bow black woman bow Native American bow Pacific Islander bow uh Middle Eastern
05:25:52
Brian Atlasbow are there any other I don't know um so wait you anybody has object I'd like to hear some objections I think the man should bow to the woman okay we'll get to your we're going to get to
05:26:04
Brian Atlasyour don't worry we'll get back we're going to get back what I think the Christian woman needs to weigh in on the the bow thing though what do you object to the bow some water
05:26:16
Brian Atlasum yeah I I would prefer not to bow to my partner but what if he what if he uh you were married to him and he he asked you to do it is it a joke cuz that would
05:26:25
Brian Atlasbe funny he he's not like going to murder you over it but he he does want it politely but also do that
05:26:35
Dea[ __ ] but also polite respectfully know you you would say that respectfully no but hold on isn't what Andrew Bible verse yeah I know submit to your husband
05:26:47
DeaI already know what you say what's the Bible verse you're talking about obey submit well so so it's says submit to your husband wives are supposed to submit right and and but at the same
05:26:58
Deatime you you know wives are supposed to submit to your husband but also men are supposed to it's it's like Jesus is to the church right so
05:27:08
Deawomen you know you're supposed to submit to your husband as Christ you know you submit to Christ like the church is under Christ in that way but also men are supposed to have this sacrificial
05:27:21
Dealove for you so do you have a sacrificial love for your girlfriend you get the sacrificial love if you submit see see this is something that's like highly debated among the Christian Community it's highly debated you didn't
05:27:33
Dealet me finish my my okay you didn't let me it's not highly debated but go ahead okay what I was going to say is is this idea that you need a sacrificial love
05:27:43
Deaand you need to submit to your husband it's kind of like a idealistic relationship that is very hard to obtain so I mean do you have that with let me
05:27:55
Andrew Wilsonhelp you with something okay I'm going to I'm going to help you out with your theology I'm going to I'm going to demonstrate for you why it's incorrect okay do you receive divine revelation through the Holy Spirit which assists
05:28:06
Andrew Wilsonyou with exegeting mean me interpreting the text of the Bible sorry was that a question let me repeat the question yes
05:28:17
Andrew Wilsonsorry when you read the Bible yes are you filled with the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is telling you that what you're reading is true yes
05:28:30
Andrew Wilsonand so your interpretation of that text is
05:28:35
Deatrue well I mean God says to lean not on your own understanding so I'm not supposed to interpret whose understanding are you leaning on right now I'm I'm leaning on my own this is something that I Str so then wait I
05:28:48
Deathat's really confusing wait wait wait wait wait lean not on your own understanding but you're leaning on I age with you I agree with you this is a point in Christianity that I I have struggled with and I haven't yet then
05:29:00
Andrew Wilsonjust help me out with this okay if it is the case that the holy spirit is in you and that is what is assisting you in reading the Bible so you know it is true
05:29:11
Deais that how people interpret the Bible that specific line or are you talking about is no is that how people interpret the B through the Holy Spirit
05:29:21
Andrew Wilsonyes yes that's that's and the Holy Spirit is telling you what is true right yes then how come you don't write down everything the Holy Spirit tells
05:29:33
Deayou as a new form of the Bible that's fair I I mean that's why there's so many denominations that's an issue among Christians like not every
05:29:42
Deayou write down everything the Holy Spirit tells you and call it a new Bible cuz you're not supposed to lean on your own understanding that's me leaning on my understanding I'm confus understanding are you leaning
05:29:55
Andrew Wilson[Music] on I'm I'm hang on hang on Brian this is important I'll tie it in very quickly okay try to be you know very quickly who understanding are you leaning on
05:30:08
Deawhen I'm reading the Bible whose understanding am I leaning on is that the
05:30:15
Andrew Wilsonquestion you have no idea and so the thing is is like this is why you have you have a flawed theology okay you don't even know what your theology is
05:30:27
Andrew Wilsonand because of that and I just showed you why that is true I sh literally walked you through step by step why this is the case right when I tell you
05:30:38
Andrew WilsonChristianity is patriarchal Christianity from the top down 2,000 years of church history it is a patriarchal religion where you are to
05:30:49
Andrew Wilsonsubmit to your husband as and it and I I'll give you the text if you want Sarah called Abraham Lord you are to submit and call your husband Lord as as Sarah
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Andrew Wilsoncalled Abraham Lord why if that is the case that you're supposed to have that kind of reference for your husband will you not bow that's
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Deafair would you bow that's actually that's fair I mean what he said was fair yeah it's fair would you
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Deabow would you bow to your lord Andrew I think we've just convinced her to be an atheist no never that one never that one no no this I mean this
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Brian Atlasisk no no we get that it's fair would you bow to your husband
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Deathis is hard for me like I'm a new Christian so I'm I'm not leading me down something that I'm I'm not you know just give Andrew the benefit of the doubt he's 100% correct
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Brian Atlason the theology do you bow to your husband well he's the head of yeah he he would be you know he's the head and you're the body so then I guess yes okay how about this um and Andrew maybe you want to weigh in on this too uh you're
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Brian Atlasyou get married right you want to get married eventually yes and then have kids yes okay your husband in his determination for what's best for the
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Brian Atlasfamily wants you to sell your boat and stop sailing hang onang Brian just real quick I just wanted Ephesians 5:22 wives
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Deasubmit to your husbands as to the Lord right who is the Lord Jesus Christ would you bow to Jesus Christ yes and and I think that actually is a good point that you just brought up with that verse
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Deabecause you know the Bible also does say that you know if if there's there's an instance I don't remember the name of the woman but her husband was not obeying God and so she went on her own
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Deaaccord to an army and negotiated with them because he was being unreasonable he was being prideful and so there is a differentiation there of you know if if a man is sacrificial in his love as
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DeaChrist that decision well so hold up what I'm saying is is if a man is sacrificial in his love as Christ was who gets to make that decision if you are following Christ and your husband is
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Dealeing make that decision you or your husband if your let me speak please if your husband is leading you rambling I want to know I'm tring to say something speciic question if your husband but I
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Andrew Wilsonwas saying something the man or the woman who gets to make the decision who do you get to make it or does he if it
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Deagoes against God he does not get to make the decision if foll the B who gets to make the decision Jesus Christ Jesus Christ gets to make ision okay so Jesus
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DeaChrist is telling you then no Jesus Christ in the Bible you follow the Bible so if your husband asking yes if you think your husband's going against Theology and he thinks you are who submits to
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Andrew Wilsonwho that's fair yeah you don't know no I I you're supposed to obey as unto the Lord for this reason because hang on if an impass comes up if
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Andrew Wilsonan impass comes up you are to obey for this reason because otherwise you are the person being submitted to you are the ultimate Arbiter do you
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Andrew Wilsonunderstand if you go to your husband and say your theology is wrong you are not doing what God wants then you are the ultimate Arbiter
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Brian Atlasand not him there's explicit words in the Bible so if he goes against we can't get to we can't go too much deeper into the theology stuff here but okay yeah
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Andrew Wilsonfair enough I mean um I'm just I'm just I'm just pointing out here quickly I'll just I'll just end it with this if it is the case as Brian says okay that you are
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Andrew Wilsonyou are to submit to your husband as you would unto the Lord then bowing should be no problem right it's your own willful Pride that would prevent you from doing that it's not an unreasonable expectation if you are to obey as you
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Andrew Wilsonwould unto the Lord to bow to your husband that's what my ultimate point is I get into why your theology is flawed in another time but I'm just pointing out that it's very flawed very obviously
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Deaflawed but anyway I I agree with you thank you I'm trying to learn again I've only been Christian for a year so I appreciate you speaking through it and
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Brian Atlasactually giving me real information rather than just attacking so I do appreciate that okay so going back to my thing your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it
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Brian Atlasif if that's his will then yes oh okay all right there you have it uh any other objections to the bow video from
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Brian Atlasanybody is it wrong yeah but each their own is it what is it wrong yeah wrong it's wrong to B it's wrong I mean to okay well look we go ahead go ahead go
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Bellaahead why do you think it's wrong the type of person who wants to see as women as equal to you what do you mean or no because I feel like your whole argument
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Brian Atlasis we established at the beginning equality is is not not there as in jobs this around on you okay like why do women want men to open the car door why
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Brian Atlasdo women want uh men to open doors why do women want men to pay for first aid it's like do you want a guy to pay for the first date I don't care you don't care you have no preference okay I mean it
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Brian Atlasthere's no gender expectations at all when it comes to what you want in the man gender expectations not like there's no I mean it could be the case maybe there's
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Brian Atlasnothing huh leading oh leading why because that's not very equal of of you to expect him to put in that effort takes a lot of work to lead yeah leading is responsibility I just think bowing is
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Bellaa little bit Overkill but also it's like you're submitting yourself it's it's like 100 zero do men want submissive women wait it's 100 to zero it feels like it you think wait you
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Brian Atlasthink kind like a pe oh there's things that are way more submissive than a simple bow I mean if you actually think about the physicality of it it's actually quite
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Brian Atlasbenign takes two seconds anybody can do it it doesn't take any effort right yeah but looking at the video she's cooking for her whole life is designated to
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Brian Atlasserving you what's wrong with that that's what I'm saying it's like Z is it not oh you you can do way more than that that's the that's the easy [ __ ]
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Brian Atlasthat's the easy [ __ ] wait until there's a situation where she disagrees with me okay but like also in like I want her to sell the boat and she doesn't want to
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Samsonsell the boat you know I think that's wrong oh okay why I feel like if you love them you