Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224
Date: 2025-01-29
Duration: 8h 22m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Shelby Clayton(guest)
SPEAKER_03Michaela Quan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Samson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Myin(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brandon Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_11Ebony(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mecca(guest)
SPEAKER_13Dea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Ana(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:26
QuoteBella introduces herself as an OnlyFans creator who dropped out of college after 1.5 years.
“hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years”
00:11:52
QuoteBrandon Clark announces he is a virgin unprompted during introduction.
“I am a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now”
00:12:42
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself after shaving his beard — panel shocked by his new look.
“what happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard”
00:22:12
QuoteMyin reveals she was a flying trapeze artist and aerialist who worked for a circus for a decade and lived abroad.
“I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion tamer no he was the general manager”
00:48:27
ControversyAndrew argues women who demand equality should not also demand chivalry (flowers, doors, etc.). Dea pushes back strongly. Extended debate about woodworking, sailboat skills, and toxic femininity.
“I still don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and Status”
01:37:55
QuoteEbony claims women don't need men and women would do better if men disappeared overnight.
“I don't think that women like a lot of people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be perfectly fine”
02:12:03
QuoteEbony admits she doesn't know what a "stud" is in construction context, saying it's a dog or a lesbian.
“what about a circular saw how does that work i've never seen one do you know what the stud is no”
02:23:52
QuoteEbony says she doesn't know who Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, or MLK are. Would put them all in cages.
“I don't know who that is... Nelson Mandela... I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for”
03:09:53
QuoteRatings round: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 ("inbred 5 on camera but 9 in real life"), Brian=8, Andrew=10.
“going back to Michaela and then back I would say 10 10 okay six six all right wow nine all right 10 10 okay I would say seven but six all right I think I'm 10”
03:11:00
ControversyAndrew refuses to accept Dea's reasoning for why she can't rate him objectively. Dea eventually gives him a 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Rachel Wilson messages from home backing Andrew.
“I'm just saying I think most people would say from... no you you didn't even have to do the impression”
03:25:08
QuoteRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) messages during the show: "When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after 3 hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way you accuse him of being difficult while no self-awareness."
“we got a message from Rachel Wilson Andrew Wilson's wife when Andrew find oh we should do a Rachel Wilson Cameo”
04:09:24
QuoteDea reveals she dated an NHL player and a Portuguese soccer player while modeling.
“a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey player but you in relationship those were all very short”
04:13:45
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves the show before the Ebony tweets segment. Brian noted he had tried to keep him for it.
“I wasn't here I was in the... he's gone I was hoping we could get into this”
04:31:22
ControversyAndrew delivers the "faking virtue" argument: women who slept with men they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue, and therefore the guy they claim to like is someone they're just "settling" for.
“what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me”
04:59:29
QuoteBrian's cheeseburger analogy: "making a man wait while her previous 10-20 partners paid $1 for a cheeseburger, then charging him $1,000 because she likes him more."
“I've said it before on the show so it's like making a man wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger”
05:18:52
QuoteBella tells story of a guy who wore a VR headset watching Pornhub while having sex with her because he couldn't get hard.
“he basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset... he searched up Pornhub and then he like”
05:22:00
QuoteBrian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him and explains his daily bow requirement for his girlfriend.
“I do want my girlfriend to do a a respectful bow I expect... it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I prefer deep bow”
05:31:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Dea's Christian theology on submission. Dea eventually concedes she would sell her sailboat if her husband asked her to, per Ephesians 5:22.
“if that's his will then yes... your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it if if that's his will then yes”
05:37:58
QuoteBrandon Clark confirms he is a Christian nationalist who supports patriarchy.
“I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality and yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah”
06:14:42
QuoteBrian fake-proposes to Myin with a ring pop to get her to reveal her body count.
“myin Gertrude wait you can't see it what oh there you go will you marry me wait what will you marry me”
06:18:33
ControversyBrian reads Ebony's tweets live on stream including "Slayer of white men," men should be slaves, men shouldn't vote, home-wrecking, male chastity cages, and reparations tweets. Panel reacts with shock. Ebony defends them as genuine beliefs.
“I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me... men deserve to be treated less than dogs”
06:19:00
QuoteEbony proposes men should be in chastity cages and have 11pm curfews. Multiple women raise hands in favor.
“I think men should be in chassity cages I think we as a society Society should normalize that... I think men should have curfews”
06:23:00
QuoteEbony says men shouldn't vote and men make make are the reason for societal problems.
“I think that men voting is why we're in this predicament now”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Introductions & Relationship Statuses
Brian and all guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then go around the table on current relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with who.
00:31:30
TTS/Viewer Questions — First Date Flowers & Buzz Cut Prices
Viewer-submitted hypotheticals: high-profile job vs $100k sewer cleaning; how much to buzz hair off. Also Trump-as-trans-woman president and WWII trade questions. Discussion on flowers on first dates.
00:41:47
Chivalry vs Equality — Andrew's Position
Andrew Wilson argues women who demand equality shouldn't also demand chivalry. Dea defends acts of kindness. Discussion spirals into Christianity's patriarchal structure, female apostles, and submission theology.
01:19:00
Myin: Too Nice/Submissive — Can Women Be TOO Nice?
Brian deep-dives into Myin's background: Always in relationships since 19, often the caregiver/financier for weak men. Cultural Japanese upbringing causing her to be too generous. Lived abroad/circus career. Brian advises her not to let American culture corrupt her traditional values.
01:37:46
Women Don't Need Men — Ebony's Position & Debate
Ebony claims women would fare better if all men disappeared. Andrew and Brian counter with infrastructure statistics (99% male linemen, 94% loggers, etc.). Debate on whether women gravitate to those jobs by choice or due to patriarchy. Includes pickle jar challenge, "do you know what a stud is" moment.
01:47:55
Men vs Women in the Workforce / Apocalypse Scenario
Continuation of women-don't-need-men theme: Brian shows stats of male-dominated critical infrastructure jobs (99% linemen, 94% truck drivers, etc.). Argument about what would happen if men disappeared overnight.
02:35:45
Age Gap Relationships & Phenotype/PDF Debate
Debate on whether age gap relationships are immoral. Ebony argues men attracted to "childlike phenotypes" are PDF files. Andrew and Brian expose contradictions in her logic. Discussion on mature-looking vs young-looking body types.
03:09:53
Ratings Round — Self-Ratings (1-10 scale)
Stiffler (viewer) asks all guests to rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Results: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 (on camera he says "inbred 5 but 9 in real life"), Brian=8 (consistent 8), Andrew=10. Followed by AI-aging photos of all panelists. Discussion on when women peak in attractiveness.
03:10:27
Woodworking Debate & Andrew Rates Himself a 10
Dea claims to do woodworking; Andrew challenges what woodworking actually means. Andrew insists he's a 10; Dea gives him a subjective 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Long debate on whether beauty can be assessed objectively. Rachel Wilson messages from home.
04:09:00
Dea: Dating Professional Athletes & Makeup-Free Living
Dea reveals dating NHL player and Portuguese soccer player briefly while modeling. Currently with her best friend (6'4"). Brian calls out height hypocrisy. Dea explains her natural/no-makeup lifestyle and DIY product-making.
04:26:10
Hookup Culture, Faking Virtue & The "Jipped" Argument
Andrew delivers Brian's "faking virtue" argument: women who were promiscuous with guys they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue. The man is "settling" for someone who won't sleep with him. Mecca's stripper-club origin story illustrates the point. Brian's cheeseburger analogy.
05:22:00
Brian's Bow Video & Biblical Submission
Brian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him. Panel reacts. Dea and Andrew debate biblical submission (Ephesians 5:22). Dea concedes she would sell her boat if husband asked. Brandon reveals he supports patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
06:14:30
Body Count Round
Brian tries to get body counts around the table. Brian fake-proposes to Myin. Mecca says ~8. Dea declines (was assaulted). Samson declines but says motivated by love/fantasy. Most guests decline. Ebony gets called non-binary by mistake.
06:18:33
Ebony's Controversial Tweets & Findom Worldview
Brian reads Ebony's tweets live: "Slayer of white men," men should be in cages, curfews for men, men shouldn't vote, men deserve to be slaves, etc. Panel reacts. Dea and Shelby push back. Ebony defends her views as genuine, not just marketing. Also announces men's income should go to wives and male chastity cages should be normalized.
06:19:00
Curfews for Men & Male Chastity Cages
Ebony proposes men should have 11pm curfews and be put in chastity cages. Multiple women at table raise hands in favor of curfews. Brian, Dea, and Shelby push back.
06:48:50
Bear vs Man in the Forest
Classic viral question: cross paths with a bear or a man in the forest alone? Many women choose bear due to fear of assault. Brian challenges the percentages. Dea shares real experience of being followed by a man for 10 miles while backpacking.
07:38:00
Relationship Advice & Final Topics
Brandon shares positions on patriarchy and arranged marriage. Final viewer chats and roast session. Guests share their types. Brian shares his ideal partner. Call to action for Bella and Mecca to quit sex work.
07:53:52
Roast Session & Show Wrap
Viewers send in roasts of panelists. Ebony fires back at trolls. Guests share Harry Potter houses. Final call to action. Brian raids Monkey News on Twitch.
Transcript
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01:52:35
Ebonyhungry once they're thirsty you think women aren't going to start killing each other really I mean we would still maintain Society initially like money and I mean women work in grocery stores and stuff like
01:52:47
Ebonywe're not just going to go immediately go stealing things and stuff like that I don't think that's exactly people are going to loot immed because there's no men you got Jeffrey it's like a Thanos thing they disappear you can't
01:53:01
Brian Atlasyou would for the sake of your own Survival you wouldn't just go immediately like looting the grocery store no because there would be other women with weapons listen I'm going to give you uh credit where credit is due
01:53:12
Andrew Wilsonwe can just take a look at the top 10 uh female jobs and we we know you're right human resource managers they're going to be really good dental hygienists can't wait for them nurse practitioners physical therapists physician assistants
01:53:23
Andrew Wilsonveterinarians child care workers Healthcare administrators marketing managers medical scientists this means uh you're part of a research crew guess what's not
01:53:34
Andrew Wilsonthere what you'll never guess construction worker linen um you know any type of mechanical engineering any type of Labor whatsoever uh women tend
01:53:46
Andrew Wilsonto gravitate towards child care and nursing and administrative jobs they and clerical work they don't gravitate towards any of the jobs that you're talking about so how useful do you think human resource managers are going to be
01:53:58
Deain the female apocalypse exactly I will teach you how to sail and we can just sail away cuz you people fit on your boat how many people fit on your boat comfortably like with a bed or like
01:54:08
Brian Atlasthey're on the floor but who's going to farm the food it doesn't matter it doesn't matter pull it up Damon I have a spear gun so you can bigger bigger bigger bigger cut
01:54:21
Brian Atlasthat off uh all right so this is the top 20 most dangerous use occupations and the percentage of Mal so logging workers 94%
01:54:30
Brian Atlasmale fishing workers 99% male aircraft Pilots roofers uh truck drivers is 94% male uh Iron and Steel Workers 98% male
01:54:39
Brian Atlasfarmers and ranchers 70 so for the food 75% agricultural workers 79% uh mining Landscaping construction workers 97% uh hide move us to the other side cement
01:54:49
Brian Atlasand concrete manufacturing that's that's not super important but electrical well for the apocalypse scenario smaller I need to just tie this just hi this totally just this totally hold on hold
01:55:00
Brian Atlason hold on hold on electrical Powerline workers 99% police officers 85% maintenance repair workers 97% uh and those are the pertaining to the apocalypse scenario go ahead Andrew but
01:55:13
Ebonycould they do that Brian without their human resource managers really could they I mean at the end of the day I feel like women don't really occupy those jobs because of the patriarch and because of gender stereotypes that we
01:55:26
Brian Atlashave in society like I feel like if men disappeared like women wouldn't really be catering their life to like oh I want a family and here no we can here we can prove this pull up the Discord uh go to
01:55:36
Brian Atlaslike men The Men at Work tab uh we have some videos here that we can show you uh you got it of what minute work
01:55:48
Brian Atlastab patriarchy is preventing you from being a logger yes put on the Windows Windows T AR video Back by who show us by the
01:55:59
Brian Atlaspeople who hire right big due to sexism that works um due to the fact that they're not strong enough to do logging let's see here um oh I'm notar
01:56:11
Brian Atlasscroll up Scroll up all the way up all the way to the top and the bur CIFA stuff that's not really scroll down scroll down uh scroll down scroll down the first line worker one
01:56:23
Brian Atlasplay that one uh so this is a guy doing some uh work on the line in snowing and it looks like I don't
01:56:33
Samsonknow that's a c what 100 feet plus I don't know he better is it the patriarchy that's preventing women from doing this job honestly that looks like so protectors and they would never let a
01:56:44
Brian Atlasdo that job or they're not a man what are you talking okay no man would let a woman take on that job because we're sexist or because we're shiv nothing is preventing women from
01:56:57
Ebonydoing this job they just don't want to do it I will say there are out of it there are a lot of women here play that play that uh the North Sea compation women don't want to do those jobs the
01:57:07
Deatop I would totally do it totally okay then if you would totally do it go do it go do it I'll give you $1,000 doar if you do the [ __ ] for lineman School wait
01:57:18
Deafor the fishermen cuz I will totally do that no do do this the North Sea okay yes do this oh that yeah you go do it for three months go oil it takes like three years to be able to do that cuz
01:57:30
Brian Atlasthe the metal workers that that that's an extreme job okay total cop out go just go ask if there's a job go ask yeah it is a cop out go ask if there's a
01:57:40
Deajob stop go ask if there's a job on an oil rig for you to take go do it Exile that sailing is male dominated and the skills I'm learning are also male dominated that doesn't stop from doing
01:57:53
Brian Atlasfish that's also male dominated that doesn't stop did the did the patriarchy prevent you from being a sailor no women don't want to do this women don't want to work with want to do this there's nothing
01:58:04
Brian Atlaspreventing there's nothing preventing a woman from doing this job women don't want to work with men women don't want to be sexually harassed at work and made fun of or treated
01:58:15
Brian Atlaslike not there's multiple reason why wom J oh the women the patriarchy has to do with patriarchy uh and that's it we've shown the may I speak on this just for a
01:58:27
Deasecond so so being somebody who has a lot of male dominated skills right with like I've started spear fishing about two years ago that's something that's definitely male dominated like fishing in general is male dominated now that's
01:58:39
Deamore of like a hobby than like a job I don't do these for my jobs but you know you can if you are in a scenario of oh like you know can a woman do these things she can do these things are is it a majority of women no and I'm not going
01:58:51
Deato argue that's a stupid point compared to the you you literally have the the data right there when but when you hold on no no no when you say fishing yes do you mean you throw out a line and you
01:59:02
Brian Atlasreel the fish do you know how physically laborious commercial fishing is I do I do I have a lot of friends who are fishermen cuz they're in the okay but were you stopped by men said what I'm
01:59:14
Deasaying is is that like if you want to do these things in a woman as a woman you can like there might be a strength barrier that you'd have to survival situation in a survival situation I would be fine personally cuz
01:59:27
Deaagain I live on a boat I own my own boat it's able to get power from my my engine which I've learned how to fix I have solar which supplements the battery for that which power fuel that's fair
01:59:38
Deahonestly how am I going to get fuel I have a sailboat so I can sail if I run out of fuel you know I've got plenty of canned goods I've got a spear gun I know how to spear fish I can go underw for it I can fish above water too I can get my
01:59:50
Deameat there I've learned how to fish fish like that how to literally fet the fish how to eat that way cool cool Co cool I'm sorry I have to cut you off here going back to the original conversation I wasn't here for that huh I wasn't here
02:00:02
Brian Atlasfor the beginning of that so I don't know how this started we she made the claim that women would do better in a I'm not I'm not arguing that I don't you got to let me finish before you keep interrupting so she made the claim that
02:00:14
Brian Atlaswomen would Fair better in a situation where like all men disappeared and we're presenting evidence to the contrary my my position here is not would some women
02:00:25
Brian Atlason the individual level would they be able to survive do women can have survival skills they can have all the skills you listed I don't doubt that you have any of them congratulations we're
02:00:36
Brian Atlastalking about like the macro level like societal level catastrophe that would occur in a situation where all men or all women disappeared and because of
02:00:47
Brian Atlasmen's over representation in critical infrastructure Fields my position is is it would be absolute chaos in the event if all men disappeared whereas if all
02:00:58
Brian Atlaswomen disappeared that would be terrible it'd be the end of the human species but all the critical infrastructure we would keep that going and we would have a much
02:01:07
Ebonyhigher standard of living if all women were to disappear than the reverse yeah I do think it would kind of be like Lord of the Flies but I do agree with think most men would just be you know living
02:01:18
Brian Atlasin a shoe box once women disappears what's what's the motivation what's the reasoning anymore wait but don't you think it's a little bit hypocritical to
02:01:27
Brian Atlassay that women aren't or women don't get into jobs like that like being alignmen and working on oil rigs because they're
02:01:37
Brian Atlasscared that they're going to be sexually harassed by men like when you do only fans how would that be contradicting well because you're saying that you're
02:01:49
Brian Atlasbasically saying that women aren't trying to be sexually harassed when aren't only fans models isn't that essentially what you're putting yourself out there even if you're not trying to
02:02:01
Brian Atlasget sexually harassed isn't that the job where you are going to get sexually harassed the most I mean I haven't been sexually harassed I don't necessarily think you would be sex you really think
02:02:13
Brian Atlasthat men sexually or women's fear of getting sexually harassed by men is what keeps them out of jobs like that yeah like women just don't want to be in working jobs with men where they would feel like
02:02:24
Brian Atlasa lesser person they would be underestimated stuff like that but in this case in those jobs like they are weaker so they would be necessarily lesser correct I agree with that I agree with what you're saying I don't think it's about sexual harassment I think it
02:02:37
Andrew Wilsonis about strength and also just like who who isus point if if that's the case if that's the argument why wouldn't women just start their own firms and compete with these male firms and with all women
02:02:48
Andrew Wilsonwho if if you really have women who really want to do these jobs then if a woman started this firm they should have a limitless amount and could compete very easily by even offering slightly
02:02:59
Andrew Wilsonlower wages than the male competitors these women are desperate to get in to these jobs because they don't want to be sexually harassed by these men you could still have an all female firm yeah I mean I think that what like I think
02:03:12
Ebonythat's what turns women away from working these kinds of jobs but I think like again gender stereotypes and gender roles in society plays a huge part in this like generally with you know
02:03:23
Andrew Wilsonhistorically what we've told women okay wa wait argument at a time before you as you've been like a tuba toothpaste we squeeze here and you just move there I squeeze there you move here so back on
02:03:35
Andrew Wilsonthis argument we'll stay with it can you answer why it is that if it is the case that you believe that there's just tons of women who want to do these jobs just excluded due to the fact I don't think there is hey let me finish the question
02:03:48
Andrew Wilsonthat they're excluded because they think they're going to be sexually harassed why wouldn't they just start female firms and then make a killing paying them slightly less than the competitor yeah again because I don't think women do want to do those jobs well then why
02:04:00
Andrew Wilsondid you earlier say that the reason that there's a barrier for entry into these jobs and I have witnesses here who can confirm this one smiling because he clearly heard the same thing I did that you said the barrier for entrance is
02:04:12
Ebonythat they did not want to be sexually harassed by the evil men because that like that would be the reason why a lot of women would be deterred from those jobs or wouldn't get into those jobs in the I don't necessarily think there's a
02:04:24
Ebonylarge wait hold on hold on hold on I don't necessarily think there's some large in like group of women who want to do these jobs I just think that maybe there would be women who would do them but they just wouldn't do them because
02:04:35
Andrew Wilsonit's male dominated how about we hear from you're saying that women gravitate naturally towards jobs that aren't like these but somehow the apocalyptic world where there's tons of women who don't gravitate towards these jobs they're
02:04:47
Andrew Wilsongoing to do better than men can you explain logically how that works can we hear from a woman who's actually in the field with a no I can I would like to finish real quick okay but but she's got she's got I know I know and we can we can get to her just a second I'd like to
02:04:59
Andrew Wilsonfinish the line of inquiry here so back to this can you explain to me logically just break it down very quickly how it could possibly be that if you now agree that uh women just don't gravitate towards these jobs you would have to
02:05:11
Andrew Wilsonnecessarily agree that they don't want to do them they don't have interest in them so how is it that they would Faire better but in a PO post-apocalyptic non-male World exactly because like
02:05:22
Andrew Wilsonthere would be no men they wouldn't be scared to enter these jobs um due to wait I thought you just said they didn't want to do these jobs it wasn't a matter but there would be a need for it now they don't want to do it because most
02:05:33
Ebonywomen think oh like I want a family or whatever and I want to be seen as a feminine woman but you know like they want to be feminine and do all these traditionally feminine things
02:05:45
Andrew Wilsonno there's no barrier for interest it's mix interested and we have a cultural problem it's a mixture of both it's a it's a mixture of both now so they but you so then you do agree that most women
02:05:57
Andrew Wilsonjust don't want to do these jobs yeah so then how would they Faire better when they don't even gravitate with an interest towards these types of things than men who do clearly have an interest in these things like aren't you going to
02:06:09
Ebonybe better at your work if you're interested in the work well I never said that women would do better in the no no women Society quote ready quote women would Faire better than
02:06:22
Andrew Wilsonjust pointing that out yeah in general not in these specific occupations yeah how could that be if women don't gravitate towards those things and men do aren't men going to naturally be better at them then because they're interested in them because the reason
02:06:35
Ebonywhy women don't gravitate towards these things is because it's male dominated and because women are not encouraged to be in those kinds of jobs under you just got done you you just contradicted yourself because first your argument was
02:06:46
Andrew Wilsonno it's not that the barrier for entry is otherwise we would have female firms that would compete beat rather it's a small minority of women who have interest in these jobs and they gravitate towards these other jobs because of the interest they have in
02:06:59
Andrew Wilsonthose jobs instead so if that is the case we have now deduced using inductive reasoning that you believe most women don't have an interest in these jobs if that is the case why do you think post-apocalyptic suddenly they would
02:07:12
Andrew Wilsonjust have an interest they would be interested they wouldn't be interested there would just be a need for it so they like I there be a need for it they just wouldn't be interested in it so the
02:07:23
Ebonything is women to get into these jobs and eventually society would adapt like it's kind of like how would Society adapt if they have no interest
02:07:34
Andrew Wilsonin the job they only are gravitating based around need and they don't have interest if it is the case that people have interest in a job they do better at that job yeah women don't aren't interested in these jobs because of
02:07:47
Andrew Wilsontraditional gender roles if we get rid of the other gender there is no need for that continuous contradiction it can't it's not aad I'm going to I'll show you it cannot be both oh because of
02:07:58
Andrew Wilsontraditional gender roles are not interested and okay at the same time well it's just that men gravitate towards it because they're interested so you got to pick pick pick yeah the
02:08:09
Andrew Wilsonreason why they're interest because of traditional gend I don't see so hard compreh the case is it is it the case that women would normally be interested in these jobs and they're just not cuz men or is it the case that they're just
02:08:21
Andrew Wilsonnot interested in these jobs which is it they're not because of cultural like our culture basically okay so you believe that if we had like a massive government
02:08:33
Andrew Wilsonprogram which incentivized women to do these jobs that women would be gravitating towards these jobs right yeah okay great we already have that why aren't they what do you mean I mean we have massive government programs
02:08:46
Andrew Wilsonincluding affirmative action including government stiens government grants including for the the first Dy seal millions of dollars were spent to find one overwhelmingly the government has
02:08:56
Andrew Wilsonspent hundreds of billions of dollars in uh affirmative propaganda to get women into male positions and they don't want it one such example you can find would
02:09:07
Andrew Wilsonbe in the Nordic Nations where there was hundreds of millions of uh uh dollars spent whatever their dollars are in pushing women into those fields and telling them to gravitate into those
02:09:20
Ebonyfields and they still don't how do you account for that then I mean I would just say again because women think about wanting a family with a man and being attracted to a man so they're not interested in it being
02:09:32
Brian Atlasattracted so they're interested in something else other than those jobs can I add something I I do have to move things on I do have to move things on but uh and also Andrew wouldn't you know I almost wonder if
02:09:45
Brian Atlasthis conversation is a bit secondary because isn't it just a defeater in this scenario like when it comes to a societal
02:09:54
Brian Atlasbreakdown uh even if there were women who had the interest there's the you know it's like a black hole the point of no return once
02:10:04
Brian Atlasthere's been enough societal decline in like an apocalyptic scenario like you you are so declined that you're just never like if there's just not enough
02:10:15
Brian Atlaspeople with like the knowledge base uh or enough people in this field there's just going to be like like so many cascading problems that like you're not even thinking about getting internet back you're not thinking about
02:10:28
Andrew Wilsonelectricity back you're thinking about like base level survival easier even easier all you have to do is just take a look at reason right reason is important when it comes to survival you have to reason things out and think about how
02:10:40
Andrew Wilsonmany unreasonable contradictions I just went through women are really interested in these jobs but they're not interested in them there's a gender divide and if the government were to produce tons of propaganda towards these jobs women would then be interested in them and
02:10:53
Andrew Wilsonthat was her position and then when I explained hey but that's already happening then it became well I think that women just have other interests again in this case men they're just interested in men which again demonstrates that they have other
02:11:04
Andrew Wilsoninterest than what these jobs are so it's contradiction after contradiction after contradiction because of a lack of reason and the thing is is like all you really have to do is think about that
02:11:16
Andrew Wilsonfor 15 seconds right you can see all those contradictions what Brian points out here as he says this is way past the curve right he says wait a second if societal Decay got to X threshold
02:11:29
Andrew Wilsonthere's no coming back anyway and it's not like we're going to ReDiscover the technology of anvils and you know horses and Buggies and things like that that's not an overnight thing we would actually it would take us time to regress in
02:11:39
Andrew Wilsontechnology that's true but the thing is is like immediately I don't even think she believes her own position so it's like it it can just be categorically rejected anyhow I do uh have to get some chat's coming in here we have Chris
02:11:52
Brian AtlasChris $200 ask women to open a pickle jar and we'll see how strong they are all right all right Michaela you do we'll we'll start with Michaela we'll go
02:12:03
Brian Atlas[Music] down grab that all right go ahead Michela are you like close it reclose it and then re well if she gets it that's it so go ahead Michaela Michaela goes
02:12:15
Brian Atlasfirst she she works out though so she might get it come on you got it let's go Michaela well wait you only oh wow got it you know ran that's not a good look I Wasing
02:12:27
Brian Atlashey Chris is the one who asked for the pickle jar Chris Chris I loosened it a bit for her I'll just you know I want you know I wanted to give Michaela W over here she she
02:12:38
Brian Atlashasn't gotten so good job Michaela um the there is a catch though Michaela whoever opens it has to eat all the pickles oh my God does any will anybody
02:12:49
Brian Atlaseat a pickle right now oh holy [ __ ] chill out chill oh my God that she really likes the pickles man she really likes the your back down uh I think we need to get you like a little paper towel though otherwise it's going to
02:13:01
Brian Atlasleak everywhere um do you want to just go grab like a paper towel and actually Daman Daman can you just grab her one all right we got some more chats coming through here uh I do apologize those came in a while ago sorry for the delay guys we were just kind of hold on guys
02:13:14
Brian Atlasstop stop we were just in the middle of something so uh you know I wanted to let the conversation play out but um uh so sorry for the delay on these guys
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TTS/DonationsChris thank you for that beans donated $200 yeah go ahead hello from the UK just one at first time I've ever been up
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TTS/Donationslate enough to watch live chair one and four wow how important is loyalty in the
02:13:45
Brian Atlasrelationship oh no wow good job all right it was like two three bites but okay all right congratul let's yeah W's in the chat for uh Bella over here W's in the chat she's a she's a pickle Destroyer um all
02:13:57
Brian Atlasright uh or just leave it over there in case you get hungry and you want another one um let's see here we have beans okay so that was for chair one and chair 4 uh
02:14:08
Brian Atlashow important is loyalty in a oh wait no chair one and chair 4 wow oh the question was not specifically D directed at you he just said wow to Michaela and
02:14:18
Brian AtlasShelby I guess he okay whatever how important is loyalty in a relationship going around the table how important is it yeah that's I mean extremely important yeah okay going around the
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Myintable super quick go ahead it's everything it's everything it's the most important mhm Shelby yes yes okay there's no relationship without loyalty yeah
02:14:42
Brian Atlasokay I think it's super important all right what about you yeah I think it's really important goe it's the foundation yeah what the they said and just to be fair you wanted to come in uh I guess on
02:14:55
Brian Atlasthe previous I do have to move it on afterwards but you wanted to come in on the conversation we were having um with the guys and girls in the work what we were just talking about yeah uh there
02:15:06
Samsonwas a couple things uh if you want I don't know so uh one um you know that job because you're doing the job so everything's taught
02:15:18
Samsonanother thing it's not all really strength unless it is something down to a pickle jar um a lot of the jobs use machines now like um you really aren't doing much you rather just moving your
02:15:29
Brian Atlashand or something um the thing about wait wait hold I'm sorry hold on Damian pull up the Discord again I'm sorry I'm sorry pull up the Discord oh okay so with the Cockroaches
02:15:42
Brian Atlashold hold hold on in the tunnel pull pull up the Discord okay all right no no no hold on hold on scroll up Scroll up just driving this point play play the
02:15:50
Brian Atlasrough next hold on hold on full screen it skip forward to so so you're saying the these men they they're just like pulling a lever um yes if you hold on
02:16:02
Brian Atlasyeah there so that might be a little heavy that's it took to hold on you think this jobs different this do you realize how strong these guys are these guys who work on these dercks and stuff the rough necks no that one are they
02:16:14
Brian Atlasjust pulling a lever that has to be in in a m form this is how you get that once but I think that the important point is that with a lot of the machines that
02:16:25
Brian Atlaseven that women would be using like who manufactures the machines and then who maintains them and that requires work like back to this real quick just real
02:16:36
Samsonquick I'd like to just just go right back to your points before we shift it on when you say what jobs are you talking about here I will say with the one with the guy in the sewer tunnel and
02:16:47
Samsonthe bugs are calling um no I mean which ones were you referencing when you said it just take you know you're okay so let's say uh it work building fiber wiring there there's actually a machine
02:16:58
Samsonbuilding the or digging through the ground really um there's there's many jobs like even the logging right um You have machines doing it like you're crawling up and you have a chainsaw now
02:17:10
Andrew Wilsonagain you can say like a man eventually created the machine as well I will say the hang on hang on just one point in a time so let's start with Fiber Wire I've run Fiber Wire and I've cut down trees I've done both of those things
02:17:21
Andrew Wilsonuh no you don't have a machine which lay you're still manually laying cable by the way you're still manually laying it and you have terrain conditions that go into account so machines can only get in certain places right okay uh and human
02:17:34
Andrew Wilsonbeings can get in many more places that machines cannot get that's that's the first one and then your second point when it comes to logging especially I don't know if you've ever Chainsaw for
02:17:44
Andrew Wilsonhours that is hard ass work those chainsaws are extremely heavy you have to have correct technique it's extremely laborious and it's backbreaking because
02:17:54
Andrew Wilsonof the way that you have to bend you're constantly basically at a 45 degre angle the entire time with this chainsaw uh no that requires immense physical strength I don't I don't know where you got the
02:18:06
Andrew Wilsonidea that oh you have a chainsaw and so therefore like it might even better less laborious uh to cut down a single tree with an axe because you can at least stand upright when you're swinging the
02:18:19
Andrew Wilsonaxe but with a chainsaw you're expected to cut down many many many trees in a day and it's extremely heavy it's extremely laborous work like I don't I don't know where you're coming up with this
02:18:30
Samsonum for yourself as a chainsa you're only chainsawing what you need I'm not a chainsaw you're doing I have changed down trees there's definitely some type of Machining already involved for that
02:18:42
Andrew Wilsontype of labor for that multitude um what that machine does it's La it's a labor saving device it doesn't
02:18:51
Andrew Wilsonmake the labor easier what it does is it makes it faster chaining down tons of trees with a chainsaw climbing up so first of all you have to cut a tree down
02:19:02
Andrew Wilsonfrom the top up so you have to climb up to the top of the tree and delimit with a chainsaw in one hand while you're holding the tree with another hand you delim it down then you cut it down at
02:19:13
Andrew Wilsonthe base it is true that it's a lot faster than doing it with an axe but it's still very labor intensive that's all it means is you can like cut more down quicker not that the work is
02:19:25
Samsoneasier um you see what I'm saying and then the job with the guy in the tunnel in the Cockroaches at the end of the day uh how I saw that was an act of Love um
02:19:36
Samsonnot really that no woman would ever do it at the end of the day a man would never uh let the woman do that a woman could they never would cuz men would
02:19:47
Brian Atlasnever I would let a woman do it I don't think you would if you loved your woman you wouldn't let like cuz that sewer system is for your house or whatever oh I don't know if I would want my girlfriend to do it but like if I had a
02:19:58
Brian Atlasjob and a woman came to me and she was capable of doing it would I you you would want me as like the ma the man oh you can't do that
02:20:09
Brian Atlaswoman I'd be like okay if you can do it [ __ ] it well you're small you can get into maybe you're she's smaller she can get into the spaces better I don't know yeah I don't know well that woman's
02:20:19
Brian Atlasthere cuz she like doing I but okay all right uh I got to let the rest of the chats come through we have uh actually yeah we'll let these come
02:20:31
TTS/Donationsthrough metr donated $200 women of the panel would you do these jobs what is stopping you from
02:20:39
Brian Atlasdoing them settle the debate also stop the C chair 3 so uh of some of the videos I showed you just going around the table like would you do those jobs so like the in the in that manhole like
02:20:52
Brian Atlasgetting rid of the Cockroaches that the the power lines or whatever snowing would would you do those jobs yeah I would do them you you do them
02:21:03
Ebonyokay if worse comes to worse I'll do it okay you you do those jobs or no just because I'm a [ __ ] but I'd probably do something like construction or like
02:21:14
Brian Atlaselectrici or whatever all right yeah all right what about you yeah no no there are other badass women who would do it I wouldn't want to do it you wouldn't want
02:21:23
Deato do it what about you um it depends I think I would okay I do my own septic so I do have to do that for myself but I don't know how I would feel about doing
02:21:32
Samsonthat for somebody else so okay I would 100% okay wait you would 100% but didn't you say men should not allow women to do that no I didn't say that I said the
02:21:44
Brian Atlasonly reason why the man got in the end was because that's what a man does out of love wait the man does it he's she's
02:21:55
Brian Atlassaying that we out of chivalry wouldn't let a woman do that which I If a woman wanted to do that job would you have issue with it I would let the woman do the job if she wanted to do the job but
02:22:06
TTS/Donationsshe doesn't want to do the job that's the problem yeah you know I don't know um all right uh let's see here graffo tagged hey thank you man graffito tact donated
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TTS/Donations$200 if all the men were to disappear who is going to get get rid of the spiders for you huh yeah I mean who's going to kill kill my own sp who's going to kill the spiders I'll
02:22:28
Brian Atlascome in with a B someone with lesbian energy that's that's who needs to come in to save
02:22:38
Brian Atlastoday all right and uh we have uh really quick I want to shout out some people who uh by the way guys W's in the chat for graffo welcome back man good to see you Metro mat W's in the chat for
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02:23:30
Michaela Quanhere uh Michaela you get to do the honors you get to read alas behold the profound scholarship of our F aidite that danam pesky First Amendment women
02:23:42
Michaela Quandon't need men curious how well you're dainty little fin Don tuckus would prosper and end these days all right there you go do you want to respond to
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EbonyLucas okay so yeah I do do fendom and yes men are mostly my customers but again I think if I obviously I need men
02:24:01
Ebonyto do fendom right cuz women aren't that stupid but I'm I'm just kidding um but you know um shots fired I could still do
02:24:12
Bellaother jobs okay we have another one from Lucas uh Bella let me have you read this one hey fny indulge me with a thought exercise walk around a bit and compile a list of everything you've come across
02:24:24
Bellathat was not put there by Nature everything on your list was both invented by and built by men you want to respond to that or everything on your list what does he mean by that I think
02:24:34
Brian Atlasyou listed a couple things um originally this came in like 30 minutes ago so I think you're saying like uh I don't know women they take
02:24:44
Brian Atlascare of their space and they're you know take they take better care of the the house in the apocalypse oh the house was built by men maintained and you know
02:24:56
EbonyI guess I think women could build houses like I could totally build a house you could okay you're troll I could definitely build a house like what just from scratch or just by yourself with a
02:25:06
Brian Atlasteam of women sure I think with okay maybe a team of that woman like if you multiplied her by 12 maybe but if I I'm
02:25:15
Andrew Wilsonnot sure about the whole group here hey I can build you a boat just a really really simple question for the house
02:25:23
Andrew WilsonBuilder can you describe for me a jigsaw how does a jigsaw work that's for you a jigsaw I don't even know what that is go
02:25:34
Ebonywhat about a circular saw how does that work i' never seen one do you know what the stud is okay hang on hang on a stud just real there's multiple like isn't
02:25:46
Ebonythat like a Les she was about to point at me Brian isn't that like a dog that breeds or like a lesbian oh
02:25:56
Ebonymy like wait doesn't know like a masculine lesbian right correct not I know I know are we talking
02:26:06
Ebonyas it pertains to like in the context in the context building do you know what the stud is no oh boy okay all
02:26:15
Dearight well uh what's a hot guy what's a right a stud's a fom I don't know what that me Financial it means financial domination oh it means she's a terrible
02:26:27
Brian Atlashuman being can I go into that a little bit or we'll get to it we'll get to it we'll get to it um all right terminal lanced these delusional women need to admit or actually no hold on Bella go
02:26:39
Bellaahead these delusional women need to admit that they live in a privilege or they live in privilege and don't want to do manual intensive jobs why work 12 hours a day lifting 100 lb when I can
02:26:50
Brian Atlasshow my butthole for 30 minutes and get the 5x the critical thinking I couldn't read that 5x all right uh terminal lancec that I do appreciate your message W's in the
02:27:03
Brian Atlaschat for terminal I mean I guess just the final thing on this it's like do you have any appreciation for men you know yes like I can sit here and say I think women are great but I I feel like you
02:27:16
Ebonydon't think that about men I think men are pretty cool oh yeah I think they're think by the end of this podcast I'm going to prove that you I don't hate men oh really I just think we need to like regulate them you called all of your
02:27:28
Brian Atlascustomers you called all of your customers the people that hire you for fom stupid for hiring you forom are they literally are I agree I agree with that
02:27:40
Brian Atlasyou just want well I I very much agree with it but you'll just insult them like that yeah I mean yeah that's incredible that's incredible that's
02:27:51
Brian AtlasI guess I'll say this so men they're pretty much uh they're responsible for nearly all the physical Necessities Comforts and conveniences that uh you enjoy and obviously take for granted and
02:28:03
Brian Atlasare quite ungrateful for that's the firefighters police garbag men plumbers uh you know when there's a fire natural disaster we just had the Palisade well you're you flew in right from where
02:28:14
Brian AtlasFlorida okay I don't know well we just had the fires here in California fire natural disaster crime power outage when you call plumber who's showing up a man or a woman it's a man yeah when [ __ ]
02:28:27
Brian Atlashits a fan we're the ones that are going to come not me I got a [ __ ] podcast I ain't doing [ __ ] but uh you know the other men out there who you're ungrateful for uh so I don't know I
02:28:39
Ebonywouldn't say I'm ungrateful for them I think men are pretty cool for doing those jobs I just think that women could also step up and do those jobs if needed if needed okay that's fine that's fine uh and this isn't I'm not like this isn't
02:28:52
Brian Atlaswhen I make these arguments it's not like trying to dunk on women it's more so just like could you have an ounce of appreciation for like the the the
02:29:02
Brian Atlascomfort that through men's labor has provided you oh yeah definitely we're getting something maybe we're getting something I think it's ridiculous to say
02:29:11
Brian Atlasthat women like don't need men like that sentence in and of itself like Man was created for woman woman was created for man either way we're headed for an apocalypse we're going to become an
02:29:24
Ebonyextinct species either way but at the same time like yeah I think I think Andrew made really good points why are you guys so offended by that statement I feel like if a man said men don't need women I wouldn't I wouldn't care is it
02:29:36
Andrew Wilsonbecause I think that men very much need women very much need women nobody's offended by the statement we just really love mansplaining it's true I I think that I
02:29:49
Andrew Wilsonthink that men really really do need women I think without women Society Falls apinity you need this you need it it's good for you the toxic masculinity of man's bling when you're like I can
02:30:00
Andrew Wilsonbuild a house and we go what's a stud and you go oh it's a it's a [ __ ] animal that has sex with another animal that's the male I I think that our
02:30:09
Andrew Wilsonconfidence level in your building ability goes greatly down so the thing is is like um so yeah I'm sorry sorry you have to sit here and be mansplain to
02:30:20
Andrew Wilsonbut if if it were the case that you were making logical reasoned points I would be happy to listen to you like the Galler was talking to earlier she made logic reasoned points right and then we
02:30:32
Brian Atlashave you who's not making logic reasoned points so we have the man's plan a bit will you take that statement back like just after hearing all of us say those points would you say like women can't
02:30:43
Brian Atlassurvive or women wouldn't survive without women wouldn't live as cushy of lives without men sure oh boy but do women need men for survival you want keep going further about this okay you
02:30:54
Brian Atlasdon't no no no no your your question was fine it was more so just like I I'm not saying that this is not a dunk on women but it's just like it's just the reality when it comes to the different
02:31:05
Brian Atlasrepresentation when it comes to men being in these critical infrastructure positions I'm not saying this is like an own on women in this apocalyptic scenario all
02:31:16
Brian Atlasmen instantly disappear within two weeks I'm not saying this to be a dick 50% of women are dead easily I just don't now a lot of men are
02:31:27
Brian Atlasdead a lot of men also die in the reverse scenario but because like like he was saying in like in uh Montana or places where it's like freezing right
02:31:37
Brian Atlasnow you need electricity and so like if once the electrical G grid goes to [ __ ] which I'm being dead honest here it will
02:31:47
Brian Atlasbe gone within 72 hours people are dead 24 hours after that so yeah 50% of women gone we just want a little bit of resp you know look if it happens in summer
02:31:58
Brian Atlasyou guys got a you do a little better winter time you guys are [ __ ] I mean still [ __ ] summer florid not as bad all right all right anyways whatever
02:32:08
Brian Atlasuh I got we'll get on to the next thing here uh okay so um we'll do a few more viewers then we'll come back to some other stuff we'll get some other people involved yes let's you said single mothers promiscuous and older women can
02:32:20
Brian Atlasstill pull when you say you still pulled what do you mean like just [ __ ] mared like still have sex wait have like solid relationships or okay yeah absolutely do do you yeah
02:32:32
Brian Atlassure I mean they can yeah I mean a woman who slept with 100 men or older women or single mothers can they still end up like in a relation You by pull you mean like a relationship or just have sex cuz
02:32:43
Brian Atlaswhen I think of pull I think just okay that's fine um do you think though compared to like so let's just look do one at a time single mothers do you think single mothers fa better in the
02:32:55
Brian AtlasDAT dating Marketplace than childless women no but that doesn't mean that yeah they can't that's fair your CLA your claim is can still pull but I'm more so looking at like who's going to have a
02:33:07
Ebonybetter time but like some men actually prefer single mothers um now sometimes it's weird because yeah sometimes it's predatory but some men actually like to see that a woman is already a good mom before having a child with her and I've
02:33:20
Ebonyactually heard men say that themselves like oh I actually prefer when a woman is already a mom CU I can see like if she's a good mom okay before I have kids with her the thing with single mothers
02:33:30
Brian Atlasis then you would be raising somebody else's child and that's that's quite counter Evolution no it's not yeah I
02:33:41
Ebonymean it is well I mean historically like if we look through like throughout most of human history prior to us becoming modern human
02:33:50
Ebonyhumans like women were very the women were very like polyamorous like you know men used to like impregnate or not impregnate but like used to inseminate
02:34:01
Ebonythe same woman like they used to share the women wait is that I don't know but is it true like this was before we evolved to have like the prefrontal cortex and be like in tribal
02:34:13
Brian Atlascivilization no this was back when like humans were like we were more closely related to CH like we were more oh when we like hundreds of thousands of years ago oh in sex before Dawn it talks all
02:34:24
Ebonyabout how in Primal civilizations one man would have multiple women right and this is when we became more similar to the modern humans that we are now I'm
02:34:34
Brian Atlastalking about prior to that when we were closer to like our ancient like ape ancestors so before him before how was it before that that's like the original caveman like the original caveman
02:34:48
Brian Atlasbecause I'm talking about before the caveman we were basically women had multiple wait so men were monogamous and women had multiple partners uh no both were
02:34:57
Ebonypolyamor both were poly but women take n months to give birth I don't want to talk about they were just raising children that weren't theirs it was it was like
02:35:10
Brian Atlaspeople were ra like we were living in tribes humans had to stick together because we were always at the bottom of the food chain H okay that all right I don't all right uh you said older women can still pull
02:35:22
Ebonybut do they pull better than younger women I think it's like almost the same honestly I think I really do because I mean a lot of people say oh like you're 35 you hit your wall but younger women
02:35:34
Ebonydon't want older men like at least not significantly older men wait younger women don't want older men no I do really I think when we I think when we say we want older men we're thinking
02:35:45
Brian Atlaslike 3 to 5 years older but it's not like I'm 19 and I want a man who's 35 I think that's I think that's pretty much essentially exactly what most women want
02:35:56
Brian Atlasespecially being a guy that has grown up seen younger being around younger women I I've been decently financially successful in my early 20s which is cool
02:36:08
Brian Atlasbut at the same time I have watched women Overlook me simply because the fact that they are drawn to men that look like they have it P like put
02:36:19
Brian Atlastogether like men almost in their 30s it's very very interesting I mean I think I think generally speaking most women are dating men like around their age but there's a greater proportion of
02:36:32
Brian Atlasyoung women who are going to date like there's going to be age Gap like 5 10 15 years but I I would agree generally speaking most women are dating men their own age but there's like I don't know if it's 5% 10% but you don't really see the
02:36:44
Ebonyreverse I think a lot of girls have that phase where they're like oh I want a man who's like that old but then you actually do it and it's like this guy is literally my dad Wa Would you date Brad Pit no how about wait do you have a type
02:36:56
Ebonywhat's your type I I'll find an old guy that you'll find uh I mean I don't Denzel I don't have a racial type if that's sorry I'm just trying to go through all this who do you want what I feel like
02:37:09
Ebonymaybe I would like sleep with these men but like I wouldn't like date them no they they would be like my father wait but would be my father's you if you dated someone your own age that's like
02:37:20
Andrew Wilsondating your brother no but I can at least relate to that oh oh you don't you don't have anything for that I atast at relate to that person weren't you the person that
02:37:30
Brian Atlasoriginally said that women should date a man more for the financial side of things so wouldn't that encourage younger women to date older men isn't that exactly what you're doing are more likely to have their fin who are more
02:37:43
Brian Atlaslikely to be successful I mean it's different when you're younger like I think I think if you encourage that if you encourage women go out and like date people date men more based off of their
02:37:53
Brian Atlasfinancial situation you're going to have a lot of really young ladies dating really old men or even could arue that late 20s 30s and I mean yeah you said women should prioritize finances in the
02:38:06
Brian Atlasman so like a 20-year-old she's going to date a 20-year-old college guy who doesn't make any money like what in your world view if he's willing to give her money like take her on dates and stuff
02:38:18
Brian Atlas20-y old College guys don't have money like that typically they can have a job bro they can have a job starving college student she's say no over here they even if they have a job they're probably think like I don't think women I I do
02:38:31
Andrew Wilsonthink women should date older just not like significantly older like I think women generally prer like three to five years do you think so just two two very brief questions can you respond first to your first argument which was that would be like dating my father how come it's
02:38:44
Ebonynot like dating your brother to date someone 3 years older than you cuz you you don't have to deal with the the mansplaining and like just dealing with someone who you don't understand your brother doesn't mansplain don't lie no my brother does not mansplain okay well
02:38:57
Andrew Wilsonmost people's brother I mansplain to my sisters so the thing is is like why I don't understand how it is that even mansplaining would have a difference age like you think that because you're 20
02:39:08
Ebonyand he's 25 that the man's planing goes away cuz he doesn't go away it's to a lesser degree cuz I feel like older men they talk to you like you don't know any better and you're just like you're literally a child to them it's like why
02:39:19
Ebonyare you attracted to me if I'm like a child to you it's just weird that was what's weird about it reing it's just does give you the it
02:39:30
Andrew Wilsonfeels does it give you the does it give you the ick yes it does it gives you the ick well let me ask you a question uh since we're on the ick can
02:39:40
Andrew Wilsonyou give me a single moral argument a single one for why it would actually be immoral for a 20-year-old woman to date or marry a 50-year-old man just a single
02:39:51
Ebonyargument that's actually shows that this is immoral well for the woman I don't think it's immoral I don't think it's immoral for younger women to like older people or for younger people like why is
02:40:02
Andrew Wilsonit immoral for the 50-year-old man who has a woman who's 20 who's interested in him to be interested in reciprocate her feeling uh because younger people like I think like once you're under the age of
02:40:13
Ebonylike 25 21 maybe you have higher levels of neuroticism you are dealing with hot and cold cognition you are dealing with peer pressure you have a lack of
02:40:22
Ebonyidentity um so we shouldn't let him vote shouldn't let him vote yeah um I think that we can have like I don't necessar I think that certain privileges
02:40:34
Andrew Wilsoncan be afforded to I think that certain levels of privileges can be afforded to different um I don't understand if they're neurotic and stupid and can't make these decisions but somehow you're
02:40:45
Ebonygoing to charge them with the fate of the nation what can you explain that against it I wouldn't be completely against it so you
02:40:56
Andrew Wilsonwant to raise the voting age to 26 okay so then once they get 26 and their Abdullah ablang is fully developed or whatever um then and it would be okay
02:41:06
Andrew Wilsonafter the Abdullah ablang reaches the fruition of Abdullah aangat for them to then date a man who's 50 at 26 right yeah I don't like for example right I don't think that there would be any
02:41:18
Andrew Wilsonmoral issue with like a man 50 dating a 30-year old woman or like a 25y old woman okay do you help me out with with one more thing the prefrontal cortex I agree with you it's fully developed in women at about age 26 but something
02:41:30
Andrew Wilsoninteresting happens and I'd like your take on this do you know that after it's fully developed it starts to Decay so since it starts to Decay by the time you're 50 it's in a rapid State of
02:41:42
Andrew WilsonDecay in fact in most people mhm so isn't it the case then if that's the truth that a 50-year-old is actually probably more equally yoked with a 20-year-old because their prefrontal cortex is in a state of decay just like
02:41:54
Ebonythe 20-year-old no it's just not cuz that 50-year-old actually has knowledge and life experience whereas that's oh so it doesn't come down to the prefrontal cortex it comes down to no I never said it came down to the preal cortex
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Ebonynecessar you did that was your primary AR I said that you're dealing with higher levels of neuroticism a lack of self-identity you're dealing with things you would find in a 50-year-old due to the prefrontal cortex I wouldn't I would have to see some research on that I
02:42:18
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't be sure well I mean it decays after 26 you can look it up right now it decays after 26 years old becomes in a state of decay so that means it's been decaying for what 20 years so wouldn't they be more equally Yol I mean you
02:42:31
Ebonycould probably argue that there might be something a moral like of like a younger woman dating like a 70-year-old or something cuz they're really out of it but like oh yeah so the 20y oldy oldy
02:42:43
Andrew WilsonConant to me so wait so a 20-year-old and a 70-year-old that would be fine but a 20-year-old 50-year-old not fine no that would not be fine why wouldn't it be fine I think that the 20-year-old
02:42:54
Andrew Wilsonwould probably at that point I think it would it would be sick on both sides at that point like so then so then what's your argument here reduces to then it would be sick even though they're mentally at about the same level so does
02:43:06
Ebonythis mean then that no 20-year-old basally at the same level why why aren't they if a 70-year-old is in a state of mental Decay the 70y old probably just doesn't remember things and forgets
02:43:18
Ebonythings and like a a 20-year-old is again dealing with higher the 20-year-old would be taking advantage of the 70-year-old probably for its money or something oh okay so so actually your
02:43:29
Andrew Wilsonargument here then reduces to this Andrew nobody under the age of 26 should be dating because they're high in neuroticism they make bad decisions they make bad choices so why should they ever
02:43:42
Andrew Wilsondate anybody until they're 26 they can't even make informed decisions why not raise the age of consent then to 26 can you tell me why why we shouldn't do that because I mean I think people who are 26
02:43:54
Andrew Wilsoncan just date each other yeah I know but but why shouldn't we raise the age to 26 if people can't make good decisions before the age of 26 I don't think we should because I
02:44:06
Andrew Wilsonthink to a degree you are like an adult by the age of 18 well you're an adult but you can't choose who you date you can choose to vote you can choose to join the military you can choose to do all of the you can choose to smoke you
02:44:18
Andrew Wilsonchoose to do all these things but you can't choose who you date really you can choose who you date I just think that the so why would so why would it be a moral then for a 20-year-old to date a 50-year-old can I make an argument here
02:44:29
Ebonycan you let her finish hers okay yeah I mean just think about it so first of all like if you're a mother you're in this you're competing in the same dating Market as your
02:44:40
Andrew Wilsondaughter you could potentially be talking to the same man why is that immoral it's disgusting like why is it immoral if I is the argument that we should have no no lgbtq cuz I found it
02:44:52
Ebonydisgusting would you accept that as an argument no it's just that I think then don't use disgusting as an argument tell me why it's morally wrong I just think it's morally wrong because again like the older man would be taking advantage
02:45:05
Andrew Wilsonof the younger woman due to her having a lack of identity and but I don't disagree with you why are they allowed to date at all until they're 26 because
02:45:15
Andrew Wilsonif they're not competent enough at 20 to pick their partner right why are we letting them pick their Partners when they're incompetent you are taking advantage of them right no because by allowing them to make those bad
02:45:28
Brian Atlasdecisions like the two 20-year-olds don't have any advantage over each other I got a I got a quick question here quick question for you so your your concern here is um you said taking
02:45:39
Brian Atlasadvantage of right so like predatory abusive right these age Gap relationships are predatory abusive predatory sure I mean taking advantage what kind of abuse are you talking about
02:45:51
Brian Atlaswell you said taking advantage of right yeah okay so but you would acknowledge that age Gap relationships aren't always that
02:46:01
Brian Atlasway maybe not no or do you think all age Gap relationships the older individual is taking advantage as you put it of the younger individual yeah generally like
02:46:12
Brian Atlasthey naivity and but could you imagine a singular age Gap relationship where the older individual is not taking advantage of the younger individual maybe so what would your objection be in that case if
02:46:23
Brian Atlasthere's no taking advantage of and it's an otherwise healthy relationship the older individual has good intentions what would be your argument against an agap relationship be an association with
02:46:33
Ebonylike the usual Dynamic of that kind of relationship but I just I can I put in I said that there's good intentions I'm not going to investigate every single
02:46:44
Brian Atlasage Gap relationship like I'm just going adting that many age patterns to be well but I I very much agree with your point when you said that
02:46:53
Brian Atlaswomen should take the a man's finances into consideration when they're dating and they should date for finances but at the same time if you flip it back around
02:47:05
Brian AtlasI also think that men should be able to date for attractiveness I agree so you would agree with that but in the case of a 50-year-old and a 20-year-old that's just him exercising that right and
02:47:16
Brian Atlassaying hey I'm 50 years old I want date a young attractive 20-year-old like pure woman he can he can go for 25s women women in their mid 20s are still attractive but what if he wants a
02:47:29
Dea20-year-old there's no there's no problem with him wanting a scienic there's actually scientific evidence that 20 to 23 is Peak attractiveness to male men of all ages for women so that's
02:47:41
Deaactually I'm not trying to argue their point cuz I actually I have been in a relationship where I was underage in Georgia the age of consent is 16 I was 17 we're not talking about underage relationship right but but that's the
02:47:52
Deaage of consent so so that was a relationship that I felt like was not fair because of the age Gap and there is a dynamic within those relationships where there is kind of an authority you know on the man over the woman so it's
02:48:05
Deareally just if you think that that's appropriate in a relationship then you think that an age Gap is appropriate in a relationship if you don't think that's appropriate then you don't think that is an appropriate relationship hold on I'd like you to I'd like you to repeat what
02:48:17
Brian Atlasyou said so a 20-year-old is a what like usually 20y olds have the phenotype of a child like of a young wa wait hold on hold on hold on wait wait
02:48:27
Brian Atlaswait wait wait let me investigate this a little bit um you so you said your original statement was a 20-year-old is a child that's what so are you talking but you were now you're talking about
02:48:38
Brian Atlastheir uh how they look physically but uh what about mentally is there a mental component there too uh I wouldn't say they're a child I would say they're just when you say phenotype you mean their
02:48:50
Brian Atlasbody yeah I think most 20-year-olds look really young do you look so you look childlike no not me I me I'm the exception no no no but hold on so just to be clear so but actually let's
02:49:01
Brian Atlasinvestigate this so let's say there's a 30-year-old who has this phenotype that you consider childlike so a man who's attracted to a 30-year-old with like perhaps she's not very curvy perhaps she
02:49:13
Brian Atlashas like a small breast or small butt you would say he's a PDF file for dating a 30-year-old Woman and he's 35 yeah that's actual if he's attracted to that phen wait so hold on just to be clear