Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224
Date: 2025-01-29
Duration: 8h 22m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Shelby Clayton(guest)
SPEAKER_03Michaela Quan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Samson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Myin(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brandon Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_11Ebony(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mecca(guest)
SPEAKER_13Dea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Ana(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:26
QuoteBella introduces herself as an OnlyFans creator who dropped out of college after 1.5 years.
“hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years”
00:11:52
QuoteBrandon Clark announces he is a virgin unprompted during introduction.
“I am a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now”
00:12:42
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself after shaving his beard — panel shocked by his new look.
“what happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard”
00:22:12
QuoteMyin reveals she was a flying trapeze artist and aerialist who worked for a circus for a decade and lived abroad.
“I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion tamer no he was the general manager”
00:48:27
ControversyAndrew argues women who demand equality should not also demand chivalry (flowers, doors, etc.). Dea pushes back strongly. Extended debate about woodworking, sailboat skills, and toxic femininity.
“I still don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and Status”
01:37:55
QuoteEbony claims women don't need men and women would do better if men disappeared overnight.
“I don't think that women like a lot of people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be perfectly fine”
02:12:03
QuoteEbony admits she doesn't know what a "stud" is in construction context, saying it's a dog or a lesbian.
“what about a circular saw how does that work i've never seen one do you know what the stud is no”
02:23:52
QuoteEbony says she doesn't know who Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, or MLK are. Would put them all in cages.
“I don't know who that is... Nelson Mandela... I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for”
03:09:53
QuoteRatings round: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 ("inbred 5 on camera but 9 in real life"), Brian=8, Andrew=10.
“going back to Michaela and then back I would say 10 10 okay six six all right wow nine all right 10 10 okay I would say seven but six all right I think I'm 10”
03:11:00
ControversyAndrew refuses to accept Dea's reasoning for why she can't rate him objectively. Dea eventually gives him a 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Rachel Wilson messages from home backing Andrew.
“I'm just saying I think most people would say from... no you you didn't even have to do the impression”
03:25:08
QuoteRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) messages during the show: "When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after 3 hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way you accuse him of being difficult while no self-awareness."
“we got a message from Rachel Wilson Andrew Wilson's wife when Andrew find oh we should do a Rachel Wilson Cameo”
04:09:24
QuoteDea reveals she dated an NHL player and a Portuguese soccer player while modeling.
“a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey player but you in relationship those were all very short”
04:13:45
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves the show before the Ebony tweets segment. Brian noted he had tried to keep him for it.
“I wasn't here I was in the... he's gone I was hoping we could get into this”
04:31:22
ControversyAndrew delivers the "faking virtue" argument: women who slept with men they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue, and therefore the guy they claim to like is someone they're just "settling" for.
“what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me”
04:59:29
QuoteBrian's cheeseburger analogy: "making a man wait while her previous 10-20 partners paid $1 for a cheeseburger, then charging him $1,000 because she likes him more."
“I've said it before on the show so it's like making a man wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger”
05:18:52
QuoteBella tells story of a guy who wore a VR headset watching Pornhub while having sex with her because he couldn't get hard.
“he basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset... he searched up Pornhub and then he like”
05:22:00
QuoteBrian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him and explains his daily bow requirement for his girlfriend.
“I do want my girlfriend to do a a respectful bow I expect... it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I prefer deep bow”
05:31:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Dea's Christian theology on submission. Dea eventually concedes she would sell her sailboat if her husband asked her to, per Ephesians 5:22.
“if that's his will then yes... your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it if if that's his will then yes”
05:37:58
QuoteBrandon Clark confirms he is a Christian nationalist who supports patriarchy.
“I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality and yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah”
06:14:42
QuoteBrian fake-proposes to Myin with a ring pop to get her to reveal her body count.
“myin Gertrude wait you can't see it what oh there you go will you marry me wait what will you marry me”
06:18:33
ControversyBrian reads Ebony's tweets live on stream including "Slayer of white men," men should be slaves, men shouldn't vote, home-wrecking, male chastity cages, and reparations tweets. Panel reacts with shock. Ebony defends them as genuine beliefs.
“I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me... men deserve to be treated less than dogs”
06:19:00
QuoteEbony proposes men should be in chastity cages and have 11pm curfews. Multiple women raise hands in favor.
“I think men should be in chassity cages I think we as a society Society should normalize that... I think men should have curfews”
06:23:00
QuoteEbony says men shouldn't vote and men make make are the reason for societal problems.
“I think that men voting is why we're in this predicament now”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Introductions & Relationship Statuses
Brian and all guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then go around the table on current relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with who.
00:31:30
TTS/Viewer Questions — First Date Flowers & Buzz Cut Prices
Viewer-submitted hypotheticals: high-profile job vs $100k sewer cleaning; how much to buzz hair off. Also Trump-as-trans-woman president and WWII trade questions. Discussion on flowers on first dates.
00:41:47
Chivalry vs Equality — Andrew's Position
Andrew Wilson argues women who demand equality shouldn't also demand chivalry. Dea defends acts of kindness. Discussion spirals into Christianity's patriarchal structure, female apostles, and submission theology.
01:19:00
Myin: Too Nice/Submissive — Can Women Be TOO Nice?
Brian deep-dives into Myin's background: Always in relationships since 19, often the caregiver/financier for weak men. Cultural Japanese upbringing causing her to be too generous. Lived abroad/circus career. Brian advises her not to let American culture corrupt her traditional values.
01:37:46
Women Don't Need Men — Ebony's Position & Debate
Ebony claims women would fare better if all men disappeared. Andrew and Brian counter with infrastructure statistics (99% male linemen, 94% loggers, etc.). Debate on whether women gravitate to those jobs by choice or due to patriarchy. Includes pickle jar challenge, "do you know what a stud is" moment.
01:47:55
Men vs Women in the Workforce / Apocalypse Scenario
Continuation of women-don't-need-men theme: Brian shows stats of male-dominated critical infrastructure jobs (99% linemen, 94% truck drivers, etc.). Argument about what would happen if men disappeared overnight.
02:35:45
Age Gap Relationships & Phenotype/PDF Debate
Debate on whether age gap relationships are immoral. Ebony argues men attracted to "childlike phenotypes" are PDF files. Andrew and Brian expose contradictions in her logic. Discussion on mature-looking vs young-looking body types.
03:09:53
Ratings Round — Self-Ratings (1-10 scale)
Stiffler (viewer) asks all guests to rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Results: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 (on camera he says "inbred 5 but 9 in real life"), Brian=8 (consistent 8), Andrew=10. Followed by AI-aging photos of all panelists. Discussion on when women peak in attractiveness.
03:10:27
Woodworking Debate & Andrew Rates Himself a 10
Dea claims to do woodworking; Andrew challenges what woodworking actually means. Andrew insists he's a 10; Dea gives him a subjective 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Long debate on whether beauty can be assessed objectively. Rachel Wilson messages from home.
04:09:00
Dea: Dating Professional Athletes & Makeup-Free Living
Dea reveals dating NHL player and Portuguese soccer player briefly while modeling. Currently with her best friend (6'4"). Brian calls out height hypocrisy. Dea explains her natural/no-makeup lifestyle and DIY product-making.
04:26:10
Hookup Culture, Faking Virtue & The "Jipped" Argument
Andrew delivers Brian's "faking virtue" argument: women who were promiscuous with guys they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue. The man is "settling" for someone who won't sleep with him. Mecca's stripper-club origin story illustrates the point. Brian's cheeseburger analogy.
05:22:00
Brian's Bow Video & Biblical Submission
Brian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him. Panel reacts. Dea and Andrew debate biblical submission (Ephesians 5:22). Dea concedes she would sell her boat if husband asked. Brandon reveals he supports patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
06:14:30
Body Count Round
Brian tries to get body counts around the table. Brian fake-proposes to Myin. Mecca says ~8. Dea declines (was assaulted). Samson declines but says motivated by love/fantasy. Most guests decline. Ebony gets called non-binary by mistake.
06:18:33
Ebony's Controversial Tweets & Findom Worldview
Brian reads Ebony's tweets live: "Slayer of white men," men should be in cages, curfews for men, men shouldn't vote, men deserve to be slaves, etc. Panel reacts. Dea and Shelby push back. Ebony defends her views as genuine, not just marketing. Also announces men's income should go to wives and male chastity cages should be normalized.
06:19:00
Curfews for Men & Male Chastity Cages
Ebony proposes men should have 11pm curfews and be put in chastity cages. Multiple women at table raise hands in favor of curfews. Brian, Dea, and Shelby push back.
06:48:50
Bear vs Man in the Forest
Classic viral question: cross paths with a bear or a man in the forest alone? Many women choose bear due to fear of assault. Brian challenges the percentages. Dea shares real experience of being followed by a man for 10 miles while backpacking.
07:38:00
Relationship Advice & Final Topics
Brandon shares positions on patriarchy and arranged marriage. Final viewer chats and roast session. Guests share their types. Brian shares his ideal partner. Call to action for Bella and Mecca to quit sex work.
07:53:52
Roast Session & Show Wrap
Viewers send in roasts of panelists. Ebony fires back at trolls. Guests share Harry Potter houses. Final call to action. Brian raids Monkey News on Twitch.
Transcript
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00:56:25
Andrew Wilsonyou're putting at at a status you're giving yourself additional status that men don't have and what I'm saying is like why the [ __ ] should they do that that sounds really stupid if women are indeed equal to men why waste their time
00:56:37
Deamakes no sense that's fair and that is not how I am you know if men are doing all these things right I know how to fix I I live on a sailboat right so I've learned how to fix my boat I've created
00:56:48
Deathis future for my future partner where we can travel around the world and I will be able to fix the engine which I just did last week I had to fix my heat exchanger I can do my own septic my
00:56:59
DeaPlumbing I can do my own woodworking I have fixed many things on my boat and I'm continuing to learn those skills so that it is an equal partnership now you're saying men are expected to do all these things I'm not expecting a man to
00:57:11
Deado all these things and I just sit back and act like some helpless Damsel in Distress you can do your own woodworking yes I can I actually am a woodworker yeah do you use a wood l no I do not use
00:57:22
Andrew Wilsonwood lay would how do you how do you you don't use a wood lay do you use a router no I do not I have a you don't use a router what do you use to do woodworking
00:57:31
Andrew WilsonI use a hand saw or a circular saw I use how do you act well how are you working the wood with a circular saw what are you talking about that's not
00:57:41
Deawood working that's word wood cutting okay that's not woodworking do you know what woodworking is yes I do I do woodworking on a sailboat it's different it's okay I you I don't know what you
00:57:53
Deawant from me you just just very confused I thought you were a woodw worker I don't know that's not my profession but it is something that I'm learning how to do in order to take care of my sailboat which I can then provide that lifestyle
00:58:05
Deafor my partner so just because I don't what okay okay I've had to fix multiple things on my boat right like I had to create a table okay so I had to learn
00:58:16
Deahow to um take the wood and sand it to the right shape right I had to learn how to cut things I had to use different saws I had to use you know different um
00:58:27
Dealike linseed oil right to to protect it I've had to use different um you know I've had to learn how to work with yeah basic basic woodworking is my knowledge so far I never said I was an expert I'm
00:58:39
Andrew Wilsonsaying I'm learning yeah that mean that that's not even basic woodwork it's just basic maintenance but yeah I mean fair enough I'm just saying uh I'm just curious like I'm just asking when you say I do woodworking how you do woodworking what
00:58:52
Deado you do woodworking with I'm just curious that's all okay yeah and I'm I'm learning still it's not like I'm a carpenter you know like I don't I'm I'm not that level I'm in marketing like I'm learning how to do these things on my
00:59:04
Deaown now if you ask me about septic I can tell you a lot cuz I had to fix mine last month but you know it's it's not like I'm a professional so do I expect men to do everything for me no I'm
00:59:15
Dealearning how to take care of myself and so that I can also help my partner understand and learn and take care of these things as well I don't expect men to save me I do appreciate a man who is
00:59:26
Deaa gentleman but that doesn't mean that I am expecting every man to care for me like a child you know and I don't agree with me then that there's no good reason for men to give women flowers is a
00:59:38
Deagesture of kindness that's a gesture that's a gesture of respect it's not an issue of you can't show people respect unless you open their door and give them flowers I never I never said that I
00:59:48
Andrew Wilsonexpect every bigger sign of respect to treat you exactly as an equal wouldn't that be the biggest sign of respect I I do agree with that and so like I said I've get rid of this evil status of
00:59:59
Andrew Wilsontoxic femininity where they demand additional status in society that they don't deserve when we should be treating them like the equals they demand we treat okay so so what is your definition of toxic femininity what what do you
01:00:11
Andrew Wilsonmean by that what is you know a demand for additional status is based on Old chival codes that are undeserved when you at the same time demand equality so I would say toxic femininity is the
01:00:21
Andrew Wilsondemand of schinger feminists who claim here's a schinger feminist you are both the biggest victim on planet Earth while at the same time the most badass entitled or badass woman on planet Earth
01:00:32
Andrew Wilsonuh and depending on what circumstance you're in you'll use either one of those either you're super oppressed or you're you're badass that's shinger feminist that's fair what toxic femininity is toxic femininity is just saying look uh
01:00:45
Andrew Wilsonif you're demanding additional statuses in society while you're demanding equality in society then you're not demanding equality in society you're demanding status I I agree with that and and you know back to your original point
01:00:57
Deaof the flowers I said that it was a kind gesture I've also given men flowers so I do think that you know there are certain things that are conflicting when it comes to you know feminism and you know wanting to be treated higher than rather
01:01:10
Deathan equal because feminism originally was for equality I do agree with you there um and and that's not a point that I'm arguing with you on obviously like I I believe feminine femininity and
01:01:21
Deafeminism you know in the olden day sense is better than what it's turned turned into I believe that you know if it wasn't it was just it was it was even worse it was even worse women imagine
01:01:32
Andrew Wilsonthis like can you imagine that women and this is the truth women had serious societal status and now they're they're told to compete with men it's [ __ ]
01:01:43
Andrew Wilsonstupid it's like it's dumbest thing ever they had real societal status and they took all that status away from themselves so that they could be equal to men who they can't be equal with it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life what is status if not freedom why
01:01:56
Deawould you trade status for freedom I believe that you should want to be able to be your own person now the the time that talk do what freedom to be an individual in the olden days you had to
01:02:07
Deabe tied to a man you had to be tied to a husband now is that me saying oh I hate men no I plan on having a husband sometime okay in the there's no escaping being tied to men there's no escaping that
01:02:20
Dealike everything the whole building you're in the streets you walk on the cars you drive everything that you do was tied to men there's no there's no escape and there should there should be you know a relationship that is equal between man and woman I'm not saying
01:02:34
Deathat you should cut out men I'm not saying that women should be lower or higher I'm saying that there should be an equal level between men and women men and women have different places in society that they aree but why should they be equal why why should they be
01:02:46
Deaequal because we are both human beings because we both have human right that is like saying that you should treat One race different than the other you shouldn't treat a
01:02:56
Andrew Wilsonman treat oneop hang on back up back up back up back up okay you wouldn't be treating One race differently than another right you'd be treating one sex differently than the other the reason that because you do agree with me that
01:03:09
Andrew Wilsonthere's different races who are the same sex who are women and men so men still had Authority in society right I'm sorry I'm sorry to cut you off in the middle of your long diet trap just want to clarify if men have Stat or have
01:03:21
Andrew Wilsonauthority in society and women have status in society that's fine but if you want to trade that for equality you just you can't you can't [ __ ] when you get it that's my
01:03:32
Deapoint what is the difference between you know treating somebody differently based on their race versus based on their gender there should not be a difference we are all human beings so you should
01:03:42
Andrew Wilsontreat us equal based on that that in of itself is the basis of humanity it's just an assertion we don't treat each other equally at all men don't treat each other equally even slightly we have
01:03:53
Andrew Wilsonto we compete with each other every single day seven days a week uh every single day of the year men are in competition hang on hang on can I respond to what you just said yes sir if not then make sure that you give me the
01:04:06
Deahigh sign say I'm not done yet and I'll be quiet so if you want to continue go ahead and finish and then I'll respond go ahead I was just going to say that maybe my viewpoint isn't how Society is actually based but it's a utopian
01:04:17
DeaViewpoint I I believe that people should be treated equal not based on their gender not based on their race not based on anything else besides that they are a human being so you may speak now that was all I wanted to say and that's and
01:04:29
Andrew Wilsonthat's fine to treat people equally if that's what your value is okay but then you can't ask for additional statuses because that wouldn't be equal that's the point that's the purpose and the thing is is that women do ask for
01:04:40
Andrew Wilsonadditional statuses so here would be true equality you don't lower the training standards for police officers because they're women you don't lower the training standards for soldiers because they're women you don't lower the standards for flight school you don't lower the standards for any of
01:04:54
Andrew Wilsonthese various things that men are clearly much better at than women because they're women that would be true equality when you come back to me and give me that then I'll believe that women don't want additional statuses in
01:05:06
Deasociety but right now sure seems like they do I believe that's fair and you know my viewpoint might not be the same as every other woman in society but I do think that we should be treated equally do you know what that would
01:05:18
Andrew Wilsonactually entail I I do understand what that actually would entail yes sir you would yes sir I do you think you think that if a woman do you think that if a woman smacks a guy that he should turn
01:05:30
Deaaround and Bel her across the mouth okay so smacking and belting is not the same but I do I know but it's okay for me to Belt him right there is a difference in strength between the average man and the average
01:05:43
Deawoman that is not something that is disagreeable based on scientific evidence I'm not going to argue with that now I do think that you know if you are in this utopian society where you are treating everyone equally then that
01:05:55
Andrew Wilsonthat would be a situation that would occur now is that equality no because the man might be stronger than the woman no that's still equality listen we if weaker men Attack stronger men which happens all the time nobody bats an eye if the stronger man beats up the weaker
01:06:07
Andrew Wilsonman so how is it that you can logically say because women are weaker they then deserve the privilege of being able to hit men without men hitting them back if the woman's hitting him hang on hang on if the woman's hitting him at full
01:06:19
Deastrength for instance and he hits her back at full strength that would be equality I mean I don't conone violence like that domestic or nice it has nothing to do with but I understand what
01:06:30
Deayou're saying and and I actually you know I do I do think that that would be you know considered equality in that sense now do I think that it's okay to hit a woman do I think that you should
01:06:42
Deago around smacking women no but you know if you're saying okay a woman is being aggressive towards a man and then a man is aggressive back that would be considered equal is it equal no there is
01:06:53
Andrew Wilsona difference in strength there you know and difference in strength between every human being on planet Earth that's true so no matter what there's always going to be somebody in the fight who's stronger than the other person we don't say that you can't
01:07:06
Andrew Wilsondefend yourself because the other person is weaker so the thing is is like if you really want equality and you want to know what that entails that entails that women have to get screamed at by their bosses just like men do and they can't
01:07:17
Andrew Wilsoncomplain about it whine and cry about it it means that they're going to have to deal with coarse jokes and things like this just like men do and they can't cry about about it they can't whine about it it means that they actually get treated like equals it means that when women put
01:07:30
Andrew Wilsontheir hands all over men and nobody bats an eyelash like at a party or something like this and nobody says that that's sexual battery that men need to begin to say that it is because that's what women say so the thing is is like true
01:07:42
Andrew Wilsonequality I don't even think that that women want it I don't believe you I literally don't believe that women actually want it I don't even think they know what it entail what the entailment of it is you you don't have to believe me I do think it's wrong for a woman to sexually harass a man just as it's wrong
01:07:55
Deafor a man to sexually harass a woman just as it's wrong for a man to hit a woman and a woman to hit a man I don't believe that violence of any source is okay I don't think that you know assaulting anyone is okay I don't care
01:08:07
Deawhat your gender is or what you believe that it's not all right advocating that women get drafted you know it's funny because I was planning on signing up for the military after college but that's not
01:08:18
Andrew Wilsonwhat I you got to answer the question though yes yes if if that's equality you're going to start you say can expect you in protest soon demanding that women be
01:08:29
Andrew Wilsondrafted I'm not the type of person to protest but are you going to demand that men also have a say over abortion and that they're also allowed to have a say what happens with with I
01:08:41
Deaam I am Christian so I don't really believe that abortion is a right that somebody should have so yes I do think that if it's a male and a female's you know it's sperm and egg right that does give the man some sort of you're a
01:08:53
Andrew WilsonChristian but believe in equality it's that's a patri Faith patriarchal okay well there's no okay I mean I'm sorry who's is God the father or the
01:09:04
Andrew Wilsonmother God God the father or the mother God yes God is father right was Jesus did Jesus Christ incarnate as a woman or a man as a man he incarnated as a man
01:09:15
Deaand are priests referred to as father and are women allowed to be priests so that's that's a different you know strain I I do believe that women can be
01:09:25
Andrew Wilsonin a place of you know they can hold a place in in a religion so that's can represent the Christ even though the Christ had incarnated as a man that makes sense to you I think that God
01:09:37
Deaspeaks through both men and women here hold on but can can uh just just move things along a little bit can women be clergy what's your denomination follow that yeah I'm non denominational I just follow the Bible so I I don't think that
01:09:49
Deathat pertains to me I I'm not qualified enough to answer that question that's not my denomination okay well I just ask one quick one then go ahead um were there so we have God the Father we have
01:09:59
Andrew WilsonJesus Christ who was incarnate was there a uh can can you point to me to a female Apostle what was her name um I mean there were people that
01:10:10
Deafollowed Jesus that were women there's many signs of that in the Bible so what was what was the apostles name there was Mary
01:10:20
DeaMary um what is she want Esther yep Esther yeah there okay have you seen the chosen there's plenty of women you know that's
01:10:32
Deathat's biblically accurate as well as they you know could do so there are plenty of women referenced in the Bible that did follow Jesus that did you know drop everything and follow him and and
01:10:43
Deahe that's one of the things about Jesus is that he was fair to both men and women you know he he allowed both to follow him and that was something that really really pissed off you know the the Jewish rabbis was the fact that he
01:10:55
Deadid treat women well in comparison to where what they were treated as so I mean he allowed a woman who had had um multiple husbands to follow him so
01:11:08
Deaand and and to give you some context I wasn't raised Christian actually woman that she said he said go and sin no more uh yes yes at the at the fountain or at the um the well sorry I I also I became
01:11:19
DeaChristian a year ago I wasn't raised with Christianity so you know I don't want to miss I just want I just want to make sure I got this right though so we have it on record that you think that Mary and Esther were Apostles I'm not saying that they were Apostles right
01:11:32
Deathere's the 12 apostles which are men I understand that but I am saying they're followers of Christ okay that was what I was saying yeah so that's not my what what was my question though I understand what your question was you asked if
01:11:44
Deathere were any females that were Apostles and there were not Apostles yeah but that does not mean that God does not speak to women or speak through women as well and so in in Paul when
01:11:56
DeaPaul says that women are not allowed to teach in church he was he was just lying there's a few things in the Bible that I'm still coming to grasp and that I don't fully understand so I cannot give
01:12:07
Deayou my best answer on that because again I've only been Christian for a year and it's something that I've been having to go through you know I've been reading the Bible and so no I can't answer your question with all honesty and with you
01:12:19
Andrew Wilsonknow something backing that when I myself am a new why didn't you laugh when I said that Christianity was a patri sck in patriarchal faith I don't get that you were like you were you laughed at it and I'm like why you
01:12:30
Andrew Wilsonlaughing it's a patriarchal faith it always has been it's from the father it's the fact that Jesus was kind to both men and women I'm not saying that I'm talking about being kind Patriarchs are very kind what's wrong
01:12:42
Andrew Wilsonwith is I'm a patriarch therefore I'm mean like is that the ailment of patriarchy is that they're just like mean to women he treated he okay he treated women with respect right there
01:12:54
Deawere women who follow him that had a very vital role within his discipleship and that's what I'm saying there now I I might not completely understand what you're asking me then if you want to
01:13:06
Andrew Wilsonre-clarify the question uh yeah uh you ready uh so in Christianity men have the authority
01:13:18
Samsonyeah what if they're the apostles they don't have the authority cuz God needed to lead them cuz they didn't have their own discernment What's happen I when I read
01:13:29
Samsonuh Corinthians and it's I think Paul's in that it what I read is mat it said don't marry um that you're better off on your own is what I got out of it but that maybe the men are the apostles
01:13:41
Brian Atlasbecause they need more help from God like hold on Andrew before I have you address that we didn't get an answer to his question what was his question again well he he made this well I don't know
01:13:52
Brian Atlasif it was he made a statement is that uh Christianity it's patriarchal agree or
01:14:00
Andrew Wilsondisagree Define patriarchal go ahead from the father it it is God is the father so yes I would agree with you there it's patriarchal is from the father from the father meaning the
01:14:12
Andrew Wilsonfather has the ultimate Authority I do worship Jesus Christ who is the the ultimate Authority right and so the Christ had the teacher the person who is leading your church this person is a
01:14:24
Andrew Wilsonrepresentation of Christ on Earth that's why you can't have a woman be a be a priest or or Pastor or whatever it is that you consider clergy to be so the thing is is that ultimately the view of egalitarianism is not compatible with
01:14:37
Deathe view of Christianity it can't be are you Christian going to be yes are you a Christian yeah okay so then I mean genuinely like from my heart could you educate me on this topic then because like I said we can't Blog the entire uh
01:14:49
Andrew Wilsonpodcast with it down you can definitely reach out and I can move you over to resources that can help you and assist you you in this for sure because you've been sold a hell of a bill of goods can you give me just a summary of what you
01:15:01
Andrew Wilsonbelieve you know when it comes to the patriarchal structure super quick so that Brian can move the show on right than because we've been we've been bogged down here so uh very quickly God
01:15:11
Andrew Wilsonhe is the father okay and you believe in the Trinity I take it father son Holy Ghost all that stuff right okay great so Jesus Christ he's one part of the godhead well not part but he's one
01:15:23
Andrew Wilsonperson of the god godhead then the father one person of the godhead uh when you the worshipper you're worshiping Jesus Christ you're actually worshiping
01:15:32
Andrew WilsonGod right God the representation of God on Earth with this case Jesus Christ the Christ head is the priest and marriage
01:15:42
Andrew Wilsonthis is in literally this is how it's stated in marriage right the husband is the representation of the Christ head and the woman the body of Christ the man
01:15:53
Andrew Wilsonhas ultimate Authority in the relationship has to be that way that is under the Divine Authority which Christians believe that is the representation so all of these are representations of what
01:16:06
Andrew Wilsonit is that Christians believe doesn't in the Bible it say that men and women are equally yolked yeah so they are and they are
01:16:16
Andrew Wilsonfully yolked so the thing is is that just because a man is in authority and a woman is in a submitted position doesn't mean they're not fully Yol together that's I mean that's just silly remember
01:16:28
Andrew Wilsonwe have 2,000 years of church history governing this we we know how marriages always worked this idea of egalitarianism and equality is brand new and the thing is is that if it was true
01:16:40
Andrew Wilsonequality might have a point but women don't demand real equality they demand higher Social Status and that men have lower social status and then they call that equality and that to me is uh is
01:16:52
Andrew Wilsonbizarre and it has nothing to do with Christianity
01:16:58
Brian Atlasall all right well mov it on then uh that was an that was an interesting back and forth uh spirited back and forth all right we have a chat from Lucas here
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01:19:37
Brian Atlasmen to prison for three years each if it prevented one guilty man from uh from one guilty man from walking free who graped a woman Yik okay all right
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Michaela Quanwe'll do this one quick then um starting with you Michaela no I wouldn't send innocent people okay no it's not their crime
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Brian Atlasno no no no no can I have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table all right and you might okay sorry where did we leave we said no we all said no okay all
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Brian Atlasright very reasonable all right that's great all right there you go uh let's see here we're going to get into uh some of the pre-show notes Here we have why
01:20:18
Brian Atlasdon't we start with h who do we start with uh we'll start with it's myin right yes
01:20:30
Brian Atlasokay uh all right you said you haven't dated much uh and then let's see you've been you were uh you've been single for seven months when you say you haven't
01:20:40
Myindated much what do you mean every time I try to date I end up in a relationship oh okay oh how many dates
01:20:52
Myinhow many different guys have you dated I guess like definitely less than 10 okay I've been in like a relationship
01:21:02
Myinsince I was like 19 with like a month or two of being single so this is like your longest wow like I'm always in a relationship I don't know why okay but you've been
01:21:15
Brian Atlassingle for seven months so this is like a pretty long break yeah this is a longest all right and uh you said that you're not so enthusiastic about dating because of past dis appointments uh you said to be specific you feel like you
01:21:27
Brian Atlastend to be the caregiver or you end up with guys who use you uh when you say use you use you
01:21:36
Myinhow I like they're like broke and then I pay for a lot of stuff and then I also like cook and clean for them and then
01:21:47
Brian Atlasbuy their clothes and yeah stuff like that I have a question for you do you think that the fact that you've run into that in multiple relationships says something
01:21:59
Myinabout who you are definitely I think it's um also cultural as I was raised like in a very strict Japanese household just by my dad and so my sister and I
01:22:12
Myintook on a lot of like the more traditional female roles and so in my adult life I kind of it carried on and I
01:22:20
Myinthink it doesn't translate that well in American culture so pretty much you it sounds to me like you're taking on the
01:22:29
Myinmasculine role correct I think so yeah okay maybe both wait when you say doesn't translate well what do you mean well cuz what doesn't translate well the
01:22:40
Myinlike in the Japanese culture um like the women are a lot more traditional and they're a lot more
01:22:48
Myindocile and it's like a culture I think most Asian cultures were um you're not supposed to like it's a sin to embarrass
01:22:59
Myinyour family and it's like it's a it's a culture where you serve mhm and I lived in also in China and like in Thailand and it's pretty much like that everywhere I've been to surf or serve
01:23:10
Brian Atlasserve yes I surf too though okay gotcha and so what what would that look like so my previous
01:23:18
Myinrelationship so I would do the cooking well I was also a chef so I was cooking doing a lot of the cleaning um you know
01:23:30
MyinI remember like one of the last arguments we had was um I didn't butter his toast how dare you and I I just said I'm sorry I I was busy I'm like I'm I
01:23:42
Myinusually leave the house before him cuz I I work a lot and I have to like leave at 6 did he scold you yeah I mean he made like a joke but it's kind of like I kind of do a lot of stuff and now you're like
01:23:53
MyinI'm sorry I forgot to put but on your toast did you then did you then butter the toast though what did butter the toast I think I like handed him the
01:24:04
Brian Atlasbutter and I was like you could do it yourself today oh man it sounds to he's a lucky guy really he is did you say that you were starting to take over the
01:24:16
Brian Atlasfinancial side of things as well too yeah I also helped him financially so you're saying that you were so TR
01:24:25
Brian Atlasbut then at the same point at the same time like it sounds like you have a previous history of dating just weak men in general that
01:24:35
Myinhave no okay I tried something different it doesn't sound like they're worthy of that behavior true okay so in the past I
01:24:45
Myinhad like a history of dating like um like First Responders and like military and so and that didn't work out so I met this guy and I he was very different so
01:24:56
MyinI gave it a shot you know I thought maybe I should try something different and um I yeah I don't I don't want to take on those roles interesting okay so you
01:25:09
Brian Atlashave you have been in a relationship where you were finding yourself to be like the financial supporter almost but in most of your relationships it sounds like you were the traditional woman yeah very interesting and have you been in
01:25:21
Myinmultiple relationships where the guy was weak and you found yourself almost having to take on the masculine role um so prior to this guy um so I just moved
01:25:33
Myinback to the States four years ago and um when I started dating here in the US or maybe it's like La um I've noticed that
01:25:44
Brian Atlasthere was a lot more men like that versus like when I was dating abroad interesting I wonder what's different about California I'll just go out and say it I really think that there's a
01:25:55
Brian Atlashuge problem I mean a little bit more in Democratic states but I think America is just full of men that are incredibly
01:26:04
Brian Atlasweak and I talk to a lot of women who say that they're they find themselves in similar situations to that and they
01:26:12
Brian Atlascan't even fulfill the traditional role because the man is almost fully reliant on them to the point where they're becoming masculine and they're
01:26:24
Brian Atlasfulfilling the masculine duties to a point where the woman can't be fully feminine I think that's I think that's absolutely ridiculous I think when men are not in their
01:26:37
Brian Atlasmasculine um us as women will have to overcompensate for the lack of interesting and did you with the guys
01:26:47
Brian Atlasthat you've run into this problem with have you noticed that they tend to lean a certain way politically
01:26:56
Brian Atlasyes so do they tend to lean left yes very interesting all right so men that are lacking on the masculine side of things tend to lean left and then you
01:27:07
Brian Atlasfind yourself going above and beyond yeah interesting and are you looking for like a long-term relationship are you trying to get married yeah I'm trying to
01:27:18
Myinget married and have kids I'm 33 my eggs are dying okay there you go why you should have buttered that [ __ ] toes wait but didn't you say you you
01:27:28
Brian Atlasdated like uh First Responders like you said you dated EMS uh military guys were those guys a bit more on the conservative side or tend to be then she came to
01:27:41
Brian AtlasCalifornia there's conc there's coner so good there's where where are you I live near Santa Monica oh like Orange County
01:27:49
Brian Atlasis pretty conservative anyways whatever um okay and let's see here um you also said that you think you might be too
01:27:59
Myingenerous or too nice is that yeah I think it's um again
01:28:09
Myincultural I feel like um the way I was raised it's like to please others I don't know do you feel that like in Asian culture it's
01:28:20
Myinlike you you're like born to serve others and then if you're in a society where everyone's serving others it makes sense
01:28:29
Myinbut when you're in a society where like most people don't view life in that way it makes it feels like um we're getting taken advantage of do you 100% yeah in
01:28:41
Brian AtlasAmerica you're really encouraged to go out on your own and do your own thing and do things for yourself so wait you also grew up in a similar culture um
01:28:52
Brian Atlasfirst generation okay first generation very interesting okay and what did what do they think of your work oh I don't really talk to them they don't talk no did they not know about it
01:29:04
Brian Atlasuh I'm pretty sure they know about it but I don't talk to them oh you don't talk to them anymore you guys had it falling out yeah very interesting okay uh but so going back to this you said you think you might be too generous
01:29:17
Brian Atlasor too nice my personal position on this I don't think there's such a thing as too generous or too nice or too submissive like I'm never going to look
01:29:28
Brian Atlasat a beautiful woman who does everything that I want and go you know what you do too much of what I say what I want I'm going I wish you would just
01:29:41
Brian Atlasfight with me a lot yeah I I'm going to go break up with you I'm going to break up with you and go get some disagreable chick no no so I don't know I I mean I I
01:29:52
Brian Atlascan definitely see how certain situations when when women feel maybe like they don't feel like they're appreciated for what they do or like the guy isn't holding up his end of the deal
01:30:02
Brian Atlaslike in your case so like you're you said you were more too generous too nice maybe submissive whatever it is but like you were kind of uh when it came to the
01:30:13
Brian Atlasfinances it sounded like in some of these relationships you were providing and I don't know what these guys were up to in terms of what they were bringing if you guys were living together like would you split the bills and stuff with
01:30:26
Myinthese guys or did you live with any of them I did um we would split the rent but that's pretty much it don't let
01:30:37
Brian AtlasAmerican society corrupt you on that because if you find the right man that's worthy of that you you have to be ready to go all in cuz if you spend too much
01:30:48
Brian Atlastime single you're going to you're going to get corrupted and you're not going to be able to fully put out when that person does come in front of you what makes you think that they're worthy of
01:30:58
Andrew Wilsonthat man what makes me think that they're worthy yeah that they're worthy of the well I mean ultimately this happens all the time right people are like you find a man who's worthy when
01:31:10
Andrew Wilsonthis happens it's like why do you why is that even presupposed like maybe you're just [ __ ] awful you know what I mean like that there's this other possibility and women that often just will not look
01:31:21
Andrew Wilsonat this possibility like maybe these men many of them are perfectly fine and you're just [ __ ] awful like that could also be a possibility right you're not saying that about my I think I think
01:31:35
Brian Atlasyou're saying are you saying that in general in general right I mean it could just be you too right wait what did you did you say sorry did you ask me just be you right I
01:31:47
Brian Atlasmean it could I maybe you suck maybe you're terrible maybe I suck but I I don't I mean don't just he's just mad because you didn't butter the there was the butter in he that there was the
01:31:58
Brian Atlasbutter incident was alarming drop the ball on that I I just looked at your uh Tik Tok you said something about lesbian energy what what's that about people think you're a lesbian people think I'm a lesbian all
01:32:10
Myinthe time you have broad shoulders I mean I worked in this circus and I like I run Ultra marathons I'm just really active of voice She's Fit man look at her doesn't mean she's doesn't mean she's a
01:32:23
Brian Atlaslesbian well no I know but I I don't know the the tattoos is a big thing for me as well I think that the tattoos in general I mean they're great I'm a big fan of tattoos but at the same time I feel like
01:32:35
Brian Atlasthe double Japanese is it called Japanese traditional sleeves I I mean I don't I don't completely disagree with that prior to the
01:32:45
Myintattoos like I yeah I get like I don't know we get hit on by lesbians very interesting I I mean I've asked some
01:32:53
Myinpeople before and they they said it's because I'm like like like levelheaded I
01:33:01
Brian Atlasdon't know or like calm or not like neurotic I feel like that's lesbian traits Am I Wrong is it I don't know
01:33:11
Brian Atlasthat I'm just just relaying what I've heard very interesting huh that's cool okay I get hit on by lesbians too it's really weird like they I don't know if they
01:33:22
Brian Atlasthink I'm like a chick or [ __ ] up man [ __ ] you a lesbian me too or I'm you're the butch I you know maybe I turn them I'm Brian's just that good I'm turning
01:33:33
Brian Atlasthem he's that good I'm that good I'm that good um all right here we have a super chat uh I'll get this pulled up here real quick living says never got an answer to my question last year if a
01:33:43
Brian Atlaswoman is going down on another woman H what how big does the [ __ ] have to be before it becomes straight um
01:33:54
Brian Atlaslisten man this is part of you know big labia matter pertains to laas but listen we also do some like side side gigs when
01:34:03
Brian Atlasit comes to like large clits um a woman can still have a large [ __ ] and it's doesn't matter how big the [ __ ]
01:34:14
Brian Atlasis it's always straight I think I can as long as she's female really okay I can I can speak to this a little bit as a bodybuilder because when Fe females so
01:34:24
Brian Atlasfemale bodybuilding is huge and I am honestly I'm not a fan of female bodybuilding because it involves females taking androgenic steroids which
01:34:36
Brian Atlasbasically turns them into men and yes their [ __ ] tends to get bigger I really think that if you are I I don't think women should be taking anabolic steroids
01:34:47
Brian Atlasandrogenic steroids at all I think it decreases their femininity and that's something that's positive that's something they have going for them what what are your thoughts on this because
01:34:58
Shelby Claytonyou're you're also a bodybuilder aren't you you said that before the show yeah are you are you a natural bodybuilder like me um I've taken a little bit of anavar okay you're a varie like 5 Mig is
01:35:10
Shelby Claytonlike the smallest amount possible you took like one cycle or whatever yeah like 12 weeks but it's literally just to the like small amount of anabar is just to like retain your muscle mass while
01:35:21
Brian Atlasyou're in a very low color did the [ __ ] get bigger no it's literally just anabar like a 5 m i I mean her voice is still feminine so
01:35:33
Shelby Claytonyeah it's it's it's just like to make you your muscles look harder and so you can dry out but you wouldn't go further down that Ro no I do agree that I think that that's okay so when you look at
01:35:43
Brian Atlasfemale bodybuilders oh wow I'm going to get flamed for this when you look at female bodybuilders do you get grossed out as well okay because I get I get flamed for talking about that but I
01:35:56
Brian Atlasthink it is genuinely I I think it's disgusting I think female bodybuilding besides you know there is a new division that they're coming out with like you men you think bikini I think well so there's to
01:36:08
Brian Atlasan extent I think bikini is the best female bodybuilding division but as soon as you go start going further than that cuz that's the smallest and the most feminine but there's one the fit model
01:36:18
Brian Atlasyeah now there's a new one there you go okay all right uh we have one other ch here that uh just yo kaiaka thank you
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01:37:24
Brian Atlasstatistics are on how many single people there are or the decline of dating but you have a theory that we are not as mature as our older generations and have it very easy almost like we're too spoiled and don't understand or haven't
01:37:34
Brian Atlasexperienced real hardships to know what we value yeah anything else you want to add to that or pretty much speaks for itself yeah pretty much speaks for itself rock and roll that's great all
01:37:46
Brian Atlasright we're going to get to ebony over here eony you are quite the provocator uh ebony you said you went on a date with a guy and he took you on a
01:37:55
Brian Atlas$110,000 shopping spree at some Mall in Miami mhm um is that the most of guys ever spent on you in it yeah wait were you wearing those glasses before or did you just get them the whole time I just
01:38:08
Brian Atlasget them I just got them oh you just got them oh it's too much glare take them off no that oh for real yeah too much glare we need to see the eyes Okay the eyes are the something something soul I don't know um what did this guy do for work he was retired he used to be a
01:38:21
Ebonylawyer he used to do a bunch of jobs but he also to invest and stuff all right so uh is that that's the most the guys
01:38:27
Ebonyspend on you yeah basically um he was into fendom cuz I do that too and so I am like a
01:38:39
EbonyDominatrix and so yeah it was really interesting um okay so you said that women should prioritize finances in a
01:38:50
Brian Atlasman yes over what what do you think women tend to prioritize like love typically love okay so finances first uh
01:39:00
Ebonyyou also say here women don't need men do you want to elaborate a bit on that uh I don't think that women like a lot
01:39:09
Ebonyof people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be
01:39:18
Brian Atlasperfectly fine I think men I think women would do better off I agre how about without women well so so let let me uh let me ask you a couple clar hold on let
01:39:31
Brian Atlasme ask a couple clarifying questions here um what what about this scenario if men just instantly disappeared or women instantly
01:39:42
Brian Atlasdisappeared cuz your your position is men would fare worse yeah than the women mhm um so in that scenario where it's not like oh okay men are going to
01:39:53
Brian Atlasdisappear in like a year but it's like men disappear tonight and there's no ability for the women to prepare you think the women uh fa better definitely why Wow because I I think first of all I
01:40:04
Ebonythink men's society would kind of it would go stagnant I think the reason why men have done as much as they've done so far is for women and because of women
01:40:15
Ebonyand so women on the other hand are quite motivated outside of men uh older women who are you know divorce and don't plan on getting in relationships anymore still maintain their lifestyle they
01:40:27
Brian Atlasstill keep their places clean they still you know like they still maintain here a couple more questions um who here agrees with her on this just
01:40:37
Brian Atlascurious anybody agree so instantaneously all men disappear or instantaneously all women disappear uh her position is uh men would Fair worse in that scenario than women who who agrees with her
01:40:50
Shelby Claytonthere's actually there was like a study on that with kids I I know like I still think that men and women like should you remember what the study was called by chance I don't I saw
01:41:01
Shelby ClaytonI but it was like um Elementary schoolers or maybe it was middle schoolers but there was they were in like a house for a couple days just girls and then versus guys and the girls
01:41:12
Brian Atlasactually did a lot better than just the boys and that what was the age of the children I'm pretty sure they were in middle school okay I see how that pertains to
01:41:25
Brian Atlasthis does anybody else agree with her going once going she agrees who you agree yeah and you agree okay and then um you mentioned that women they keep
01:41:37
Brian Atlastheir houses uh in good shape right but what happens in this scenario when within 72
01:41:48
Brian Atlashours there's no electricity there's no food the water stop stops working there's fires that break out and you don't have male firefighters to put
01:41:58
Ebonythese fires out so uh let's assume like a woman loses her residence what then uh women know how to collect food I mean back when we were hunter gatherers the gatherers being women would you
01:42:11
Brian Atlasthink the average Urban woman knows how to collect food in the forest uh yeah that's what women used to do they they used to do but that was like taught it's
01:42:21
Brian Atlasnot like you can't just drop some who's lived in Civilization their entire life into the for like do you think you think an average would go for both men
01:42:31
Brian Atlasand women I don't think the average man well no because even then there's a there's a strength discrepancy so you take like a uh a man who's grown up in an urban environment and a woman who's
01:42:42
Brian Atlasgrown up in an urban environment they both have like very little knowledge just on the basis that men have uh more strength generally speaking the man's
01:42:52
Brian Atlasalready in an advance AG in what way like what is that for him you don't think early human beings relied on like strength and labor to move like okay I
01:43:03
Brian Atlaswant to chop down a tree I need to chop up this firewood I need to move these materials to this position I think women could work as a team like Community well in this scenario I'm thinking like
01:43:15
Brian Atlasoneon-one but even then two women don't possess the same strength as two men or three women don't possess the same strength as three men right but I I don't think you need to have like some incredible degree of strength I think
01:43:27
Ebonythat as long as you have a community you have a tribe you'd be fine it doesn't really matter what level of strength there is I think women have enough strength to survive on their own what was the question would you be interested
01:43:39
Andrew Wilsonin a real social experiment then let's say you get 12 of your girlfriends who have even survival skills let's just let let's say they have survival skills we'll collect 12
01:43:51
Andrew Wilsonmen who have survival skills or we can collect 12 who don't and 12 women and then give them uh just a knife a piece and send them off into the Wilderness I mean they already do this do you watch
01:44:01
Brian AtlasNaked and Afraid yeah yeah I mean they how do the women do they did they actually did do this so uh in how did uh how did the women do women survive just
01:44:12
Andrew Wilsonfine by themselves no no they went over to the men during the exact same social experiment I'm talking about which didn't include 12 year olds okay when they were fully grown adults and here's
01:44:23
Andrew Wilsonwhat happened women crying they were freezing and they went over and begged the men to help them and the men finally did and uh I have see no no reason why
01:44:35
Andrew Wilsonthat would not be the K by the way these were all ages of men all ages of women and uh they failed miserably miserably I've seen episodes
01:44:46
Andrew Wilsonwhere the women have hunted and caught like large kills and I mean and the women you know they do multiple season I'm not disputing that women can't can't
01:44:56
Andrew Wilsondo uh in in groups and teams I mean um women are not stupid I'm sure that they can hunt uh to a but it's the degree to which you're effective at the thing that matters so when Brian says strength I
01:45:09
Andrew Wilsondon't even think that that you realize what what he's saying when you're talking about all the labor jobs which keep Society going that requires a great degree of physical strength and physical strength is multiplied by multiple men
01:45:22
Andrew Wilsonoh you don't think so you think it's just done by machines the nice thing about machines is that machines and machines take a great amount of physical strength to use you have a a gal here who said she was in maintenance yeah
01:45:33
Andrew Wilsonshe'll tell you if you want to pick up a 400 lb machine motor uh it's really heavy just so you know it's not an easy fee so I don't I don't know where you get the idea that raw strength is not
01:45:45
Andrew Wilsonstill the staple of human labor because it still is we have Labor saving devices but but strength is still very much key in labor sure but you know also just you you do
01:45:56
Brian Atlasacknowledge that there's discrepancies in terms of representation when it comes to uh critical infrastructure jobs
01:46:07
Brian Atlasright sure yeah so like for example um like water I I've got a list here water sewage electricity gas fuel refinement garbage collection telecommunications it
01:46:18
Brian Atlasinfrastructure road maintenance truck and delivery drivers police fire rescue these are predominated by men do you agree with this I mean it's just factually true um so if all men
01:46:31
Brian Atlasdisappear instantly there's not enough women in these fields to essentially there's not enough women in the fields where if they just disappeared immediately it would just be
01:46:43
Brian Atlascomplete it would be a complete catastrophe and I mean you'd have electricity gone within 72 hours telecommunications gone within 72 hours
01:46:53
Brian Atlaswomen are not on in those fields when like there's a snowstorm or a hurricane and the power's out and it's below freezing and Bosman Montana and and they got to fix the power lines or they got
01:47:04
Brian Atlasto fix something they got to check the Grid at 1:00 a.m. and it's snowing and hailing outside is the woman who goes or it's a man it's always a man okay so what happened during World War II when
01:47:17
Brian Atlasmen had to go to war and women had to take over the jobs women had first of all not not all men went to World War II right women stepped up to some degree
01:47:29
Brian Atlasbut they also had plenty of time to prepare for it in the scenario I provided men disappeared instantly so in that scenario women would not be able to like oh okay we're
01:47:41
Brian Atlasjust going to take over the water the sewage the telecons you you there wouldn't be enough women who have the knowledge base or even necessarily the physical capacity to even do some of these jobs even if they did have the
01:47:53
Ebonyknowledge base I think they would I mean we still have the internet we women are dominating education the internet would be down within 72 hours why do you real
01:48:04
Andrew Wilsondo you realize how often like there there needs to be runs because you seeing the internet runs on electricity and if there's no more Electrical Workers there no female electrici
01:48:14
Andrew Wilsonoverwhelming amount of them are men I'm talking vast I think it's like 98% in fact I think I think 100% of linemen last iy checked linen those are the people who put up your tell you know
01:48:26
Ebonyyour power poles I think they're all men like deal point that wasn't me right maybe you're right maybe it would go out there wouldn't be enough women to
01:48:34
Andrew Wilsonsustain you know like but I think over time women would evolve and it would we would get it like well you have one generation cuz without Men You're basically going to go extinct and unless
01:48:47
Andrew Wilsonof course you decide that you're going to use frozen male sperm and then only keep the women but you're going to run out eventually so then I guess you would have to have men so that men could then reins seminate you at some point and then the second you have men to do that
01:48:59
Andrew Wilsonyou have the problem of they're really [ __ ] strong and may decide that you get to go in the cages I I don't really know I don't really know like how this is a you know even feasible from the
01:49:11
Andrew Wilsonfemale standpoint if all men disappeared tomorrow it seems to me like this would be dire and catastrophic for women not exactly sure how it would be for men we don't need it any anyway the stuff
01:49:24
Andrew Wilsonyou're talking about right I mean we've survived as societies without electricity you do real okay you do realize body was condition for this so you're talking about conditions so if you if you live in a world like if you go to the third world for instance have
01:49:37
Andrew Wilsonyou ever seen What's called the third world squat that now if you just took that normal squat sitting position that almost everybody sits in in the third world all day long your Cals would be
01:49:48
Andrew Wilsonkilling you within about 20 minutes and you'd have to get back up because most people don't sit like this right we sit on chairs which is actually bad for our back they're actually conditioned for this movement because they were raised
01:50:00
Andrew Wilsonin environment for the movement the soles of their feet are conditioned to not have shoes they were raised in an environment for that everything about them is conditioned for the environment that they're in that is not the case
01:50:11
Andrew Wilsonanymore you're not conditioned to go out in the forest and find [ __ ] berries okay nobody's women are not modern women are not conditioned to do that neither are Modern Men
01:50:23
Andrew Wilsonmodern men mostly Modern Men keep up forestry Modern Men keep up physical conditioning for outdoor jobs and outdoor work and outdoor foraging and hunting and things
01:50:35
Brian Atlaslike that women do nothing and there are women who do these jobs too very few so I live in Boseman Montana and I can tell you that if men disappeared you know some people will say you know you we
01:50:47
Brian Atlasdon't need these amenities to survive there's a large surplus of the population that lives in a climate where if these things
01:50:57
Brian Atlasdisappear millions and millions of people would just die so like Brian said if they had time to prepare if females have time to prepare they can obviously
01:51:07
Brian Atlasmake that happen but I think to say that if men just disappeared women would be fine already prepared though like we already have education we already have
01:51:17
Brian Atlasfood in grocery stores we like we would have time wait but hold on wait wait hold on one thing one thing so right but like if all men disappeared
01:51:28
Brian Atlashow quickly are you going to the grocery store and looting everything right how how quick until all that food's gone and then one you're you're going to have bands of women who are just maybe
01:51:40
Brian Atlascollectively get together they're going to take everything and then and you don't have police so if there's women who are inclined to violence there's nobody who's going to be able to enforce any of the laws and then secondly hold
01:51:50
Brian Atlason hold on once that food is gone who's going to where's the farmers who are going to cultivate it 90% of drivers truck drivers are me so I don't know if that's the exact number the
01:52:03
Ebonymajority of truck drivers are men transport how do they get to the grocery store how do they get to Trader Joe's I mean again so we wouldn't have as much of a population to sustain because half of the population would be gone right and then also I think women are just you know I think women are quite civilized I
01:52:16
Brian Atlasdon't think we are just going to go and start looting things and like I think we can share I think we can wait hold on do you
01:52:24
Brian Atlasrealize how Okay Society is like what what do they say like six meals away from Pure chaos like once people are