Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224
Date: 2025-01-29
Duration: 8h 22m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Shelby Clayton(guest)
SPEAKER_03Michaela Quan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Samson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Myin(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brandon Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_11Ebony(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mecca(guest)
SPEAKER_13Dea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Ana(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:26
QuoteBella introduces herself as an OnlyFans creator who dropped out of college after 1.5 years.
“hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years”
00:11:52
QuoteBrandon Clark announces he is a virgin unprompted during introduction.
“I am a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now”
00:12:42
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself after shaving his beard — panel shocked by his new look.
“what happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard”
00:22:12
QuoteMyin reveals she was a flying trapeze artist and aerialist who worked for a circus for a decade and lived abroad.
“I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion tamer no he was the general manager”
00:48:27
ControversyAndrew argues women who demand equality should not also demand chivalry (flowers, doors, etc.). Dea pushes back strongly. Extended debate about woodworking, sailboat skills, and toxic femininity.
“I still don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and Status”
01:37:55
QuoteEbony claims women don't need men and women would do better if men disappeared overnight.
“I don't think that women like a lot of people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be perfectly fine”
02:12:03
QuoteEbony admits she doesn't know what a "stud" is in construction context, saying it's a dog or a lesbian.
“what about a circular saw how does that work i've never seen one do you know what the stud is no”
02:23:52
QuoteEbony says she doesn't know who Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, or MLK are. Would put them all in cages.
“I don't know who that is... Nelson Mandela... I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for”
03:09:53
QuoteRatings round: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 ("inbred 5 on camera but 9 in real life"), Brian=8, Andrew=10.
“going back to Michaela and then back I would say 10 10 okay six six all right wow nine all right 10 10 okay I would say seven but six all right I think I'm 10”
03:11:00
ControversyAndrew refuses to accept Dea's reasoning for why she can't rate him objectively. Dea eventually gives him a 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Rachel Wilson messages from home backing Andrew.
“I'm just saying I think most people would say from... no you you didn't even have to do the impression”
03:25:08
QuoteRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) messages during the show: "When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after 3 hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way you accuse him of being difficult while no self-awareness."
“we got a message from Rachel Wilson Andrew Wilson's wife when Andrew find oh we should do a Rachel Wilson Cameo”
04:09:24
QuoteDea reveals she dated an NHL player and a Portuguese soccer player while modeling.
“a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey player but you in relationship those were all very short”
04:13:45
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves the show before the Ebony tweets segment. Brian noted he had tried to keep him for it.
“I wasn't here I was in the... he's gone I was hoping we could get into this”
04:31:22
ControversyAndrew delivers the "faking virtue" argument: women who slept with men they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue, and therefore the guy they claim to like is someone they're just "settling" for.
“what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me”
04:59:29
QuoteBrian's cheeseburger analogy: "making a man wait while her previous 10-20 partners paid $1 for a cheeseburger, then charging him $1,000 because she likes him more."
“I've said it before on the show so it's like making a man wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger”
05:18:52
QuoteBella tells story of a guy who wore a VR headset watching Pornhub while having sex with her because he couldn't get hard.
“he basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset... he searched up Pornhub and then he like”
05:22:00
QuoteBrian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him and explains his daily bow requirement for his girlfriend.
“I do want my girlfriend to do a a respectful bow I expect... it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I prefer deep bow”
05:31:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Dea's Christian theology on submission. Dea eventually concedes she would sell her sailboat if her husband asked her to, per Ephesians 5:22.
“if that's his will then yes... your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it if if that's his will then yes”
05:37:58
QuoteBrandon Clark confirms he is a Christian nationalist who supports patriarchy.
“I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality and yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah”
06:14:42
QuoteBrian fake-proposes to Myin with a ring pop to get her to reveal her body count.
“myin Gertrude wait you can't see it what oh there you go will you marry me wait what will you marry me”
06:18:33
ControversyBrian reads Ebony's tweets live on stream including "Slayer of white men," men should be slaves, men shouldn't vote, home-wrecking, male chastity cages, and reparations tweets. Panel reacts with shock. Ebony defends them as genuine beliefs.
“I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me... men deserve to be treated less than dogs”
06:19:00
QuoteEbony proposes men should be in chastity cages and have 11pm curfews. Multiple women raise hands in favor.
“I think men should be in chassity cages I think we as a society Society should normalize that... I think men should have curfews”
06:23:00
QuoteEbony says men shouldn't vote and men make make are the reason for societal problems.
“I think that men voting is why we're in this predicament now”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Introductions & Relationship Statuses
Brian and all guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then go around the table on current relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with who.
00:31:30
TTS/Viewer Questions — First Date Flowers & Buzz Cut Prices
Viewer-submitted hypotheticals: high-profile job vs $100k sewer cleaning; how much to buzz hair off. Also Trump-as-trans-woman president and WWII trade questions. Discussion on flowers on first dates.
00:41:47
Chivalry vs Equality — Andrew's Position
Andrew Wilson argues women who demand equality shouldn't also demand chivalry. Dea defends acts of kindness. Discussion spirals into Christianity's patriarchal structure, female apostles, and submission theology.
01:19:00
Myin: Too Nice/Submissive — Can Women Be TOO Nice?
Brian deep-dives into Myin's background: Always in relationships since 19, often the caregiver/financier for weak men. Cultural Japanese upbringing causing her to be too generous. Lived abroad/circus career. Brian advises her not to let American culture corrupt her traditional values.
01:37:46
Women Don't Need Men — Ebony's Position & Debate
Ebony claims women would fare better if all men disappeared. Andrew and Brian counter with infrastructure statistics (99% male linemen, 94% loggers, etc.). Debate on whether women gravitate to those jobs by choice or due to patriarchy. Includes pickle jar challenge, "do you know what a stud is" moment.
01:47:55
Men vs Women in the Workforce / Apocalypse Scenario
Continuation of women-don't-need-men theme: Brian shows stats of male-dominated critical infrastructure jobs (99% linemen, 94% truck drivers, etc.). Argument about what would happen if men disappeared overnight.
02:35:45
Age Gap Relationships & Phenotype/PDF Debate
Debate on whether age gap relationships are immoral. Ebony argues men attracted to "childlike phenotypes" are PDF files. Andrew and Brian expose contradictions in her logic. Discussion on mature-looking vs young-looking body types.
03:09:53
Ratings Round — Self-Ratings (1-10 scale)
Stiffler (viewer) asks all guests to rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Results: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 (on camera he says "inbred 5 but 9 in real life"), Brian=8 (consistent 8), Andrew=10. Followed by AI-aging photos of all panelists. Discussion on when women peak in attractiveness.
03:10:27
Woodworking Debate & Andrew Rates Himself a 10
Dea claims to do woodworking; Andrew challenges what woodworking actually means. Andrew insists he's a 10; Dea gives him a subjective 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Long debate on whether beauty can be assessed objectively. Rachel Wilson messages from home.
04:09:00
Dea: Dating Professional Athletes & Makeup-Free Living
Dea reveals dating NHL player and Portuguese soccer player briefly while modeling. Currently with her best friend (6'4"). Brian calls out height hypocrisy. Dea explains her natural/no-makeup lifestyle and DIY product-making.
04:26:10
Hookup Culture, Faking Virtue & The "Jipped" Argument
Andrew delivers Brian's "faking virtue" argument: women who were promiscuous with guys they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue. The man is "settling" for someone who won't sleep with him. Mecca's stripper-club origin story illustrates the point. Brian's cheeseburger analogy.
05:22:00
Brian's Bow Video & Biblical Submission
Brian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him. Panel reacts. Dea and Andrew debate biblical submission (Ephesians 5:22). Dea concedes she would sell her boat if husband asked. Brandon reveals he supports patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
06:14:30
Body Count Round
Brian tries to get body counts around the table. Brian fake-proposes to Myin. Mecca says ~8. Dea declines (was assaulted). Samson declines but says motivated by love/fantasy. Most guests decline. Ebony gets called non-binary by mistake.
06:18:33
Ebony's Controversial Tweets & Findom Worldview
Brian reads Ebony's tweets live: "Slayer of white men," men should be in cages, curfews for men, men shouldn't vote, men deserve to be slaves, etc. Panel reacts. Dea and Shelby push back. Ebony defends her views as genuine, not just marketing. Also announces men's income should go to wives and male chastity cages should be normalized.
06:19:00
Curfews for Men & Male Chastity Cages
Ebony proposes men should have 11pm curfews and be put in chastity cages. Multiple women at table raise hands in favor of curfews. Brian, Dea, and Shelby push back.
06:48:50
Bear vs Man in the Forest
Classic viral question: cross paths with a bear or a man in the forest alone? Many women choose bear due to fear of assault. Brian challenges the percentages. Dea shares real experience of being followed by a man for 10 miles while backpacking.
07:38:00
Relationship Advice & Final Topics
Brandon shares positions on patriarchy and arranged marriage. Final viewer chats and roast session. Guests share their types. Brian shares his ideal partner. Call to action for Bella and Mecca to quit sex work.
07:53:52
Roast Session & Show Wrap
Viewers send in roasts of panelists. Ebony fires back at trolls. Guests share Harry Potter houses. Final call to action. Brian raids Monkey News on Twitch.
Transcript
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Michaela Quanum I'm from Fort Lauderdale Florida I am a medical assistant and then I'm an influencer on the side and I have a bachelor's in nutrition from the University of Florida all right rock and
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Bellaroll what about hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years majoring in criminal justice and I'm 20 years old all right and uh
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Brian Atlasdid you say where you're from oh and I'm from LA from La oh like born and raised or okay and uh what do you do on o what kind of content uh full nity any BG
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Brian Atlasstuff or okay and what did can we even I don't know if we can say it on on stream uh maybe try to censor it but
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Brian Atlaswhat it I don't know if what's your Instagram usern I'm just curious chinker Bell that's that's crazy um we have a couple we have I believe two two other
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Brian AtlasAsian women at on the panel do you what do you guys think about the you know the the name is it fire is it fire funny Oh okay that's cool yeah that's fun uh all
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Ebonyright uh what about you uh my name is Ebony I'm 20 I'm from Florida um do I have to say the city no you don't have to say City I'm from Florida
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Ebonyand um I do only fans as well I also do webcaming and um what was the other question uh education like are you in college I was in college I dropped out I
00:05:45
Shelby Claytonwas doing biology okay all right how many years in did you drop out like two semesters yeah okay uh what about you hello my
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Shelby Claytonname is Shelby Clayton I'm 23 years old I'm a originally from Reno Nevada but I live in LA now um I do acting modeling
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Anaand fitness content all right cool oh uh any school M no school okay what about you um hi I'm Ana born and
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Anaraised in La I'm still in college majoring in political science um I act make music and do influencing on the side as well uh age 20 20 and you're
00:06:27
Brian Atlasyou've always been from LA or well um born and raised a little bit in La then I moved to the valley so I guess you could say Willen Hills gotcha and you're in your uh third year fourth year of University or college second year and
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Brian Atlasyou said you uh do some music what kind of music do you do um I sing R&B music let's hear something oh wait do you know uh Eda James uh at last do you
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Anaknow that song I know a couple words I mean I could do like couple or whatever you want you can do whatever you'd like okay let's see
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Anathrew away a love letters I thought it made me feel better I I finally got you out my head but I still can't get you
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Anaoff my bed ooh I'm sending you one text at a time I know you by your phone so boy pick up your
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Analine and I Ain't Too Proud to Beg so what's been said has been said that was great that
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Brian Atlaswasti rock and roll and you said that you do influencing can you be a little bit more specific what's the is there like a genre of influencing um I guess like I like to say kind of Lifestyle
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Anacontent so like everyday errands I'll do some videos on that I'm out shopping and fashion stuff too and just daily lifestyle stuffash fashion and I do makeup videos as well so it's kind of
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Michaela Quanlike a little bit of everything that has to do with everyday life gotcha okay and you said that you did influencing too what's yours is yours similar yeah it's mostly like it's on Tik Tok um it's pretty much now it's like lifestyle
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Michaela Quancontent um it started off just like sharing stuff about being biracial gotcha okay interesting it started off that way but yeah did it continue I mean it continued but like people started
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Michaela Quanmaking fun of me they were saying it was like my only personality trait so I kind of switched to do like content that I like to do all right yeah what about you
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Myinhi my name is myin I'm 33 and I own and manage a meal prep store in West Hollywood in Silver Lake and um I
00:08:41
Brian Atlasgraduated from the cordon blue and is that a it's a chef culinary school Chef oh culinary okay um did you do any like uh besides that did you go to like I
00:08:53
Brian Atlasdon't know more typical University or college or straight to culinary school I tried call College like six times how many different colleges six six
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Myindifferent colleges okay yeah and did you get like an Associates or I was getting ready to apply to nursing school and I just kind
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Myinof I decided to go more like the entrepreneur like business route okay got it got it and I'm also from Los Angeles but I was born in Japan okay do
00:09:24
Meccayou speak Japanese or yeah I sound like I'm five but yeah okay all right uh what about you um my name is Mecca I'm 25 I'm from La I model and I dance um I went to school but I dropped out but I want to
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Deago back for cosmetology gotcha and when you say dance like uh like in a club stripping yeah all right there you go okay what
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Deaabout you my name is Dea um I'm 21 I'm originally from Arizona in Georgia and now I live in LA um I graduated with my bachelor's degree in marketing and now I
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Deawork as a marketer and a sailor and a sailor okay got it uh what do you sale on do you have a boat I do have a boat yeah you own a boat I yeah and I'm I'm
00:10:11
Deabeginning a business where I'm teaching other women how to sail so that's the end goal is to teach other women how to be one with Mother Nature do you will you teach men or is it exclusion like
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DeaBrandon over here wants to learn how to S what if I want to sale do you ID as a woman um no okay no I mean um I plan on doing women only trips I feel like that's safer creating
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Deaa safe space for just women to be together yeah what if there's a bear on the sailboat then we're pushing the bear off I've got my would you rather have a bear on the sailboat or a man on the sailboat so I believe that you know I I
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Deahave taught some men and I would teach Men Sailing but I would not do male groups with myself on a sailboat in a remote island I don't think that's a good idea so it's like a safe space for
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Deawomen yes but like what if none of the women are like strong enough to like move the jib boom well I can move the you know how to move the jib Boom the jib boom is do you know what you're a sailor right you know what the jib boom why are you calling it a jib boom that's
00:11:10
Brian Atlaswhat it's called okay there's a mast which has a boom the jib boom there's okay I will teach you how to S you in
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Samsoncollege all right um what about you my name is Samson I'm 28 I'm from Michigan and I'm a home improvement contractor along with I've done maintenance and
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Brian Atlastechnician work uh any schooling or college anything uh just two on one year of college okay yeah all right my name is Brandon Clark I'm from Boseman
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Brian AtlasMontana I am a natural bodybuilder um I'm an entrepreneur Fitness coach uh I own a couple of businesses and I am a College
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Brian AtlasDropout yes W's in the chat for the and I'm I'm a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now and Bri is trying to find the love of my life for me yes um we were I was going to get to that during the like the
00:12:05
Brian Atlasrelationship status part I thought you just wanted me to come out with it now just like yeah I mean that works too I might as well stamp it on my forehead at this point all right there you go yeah I
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Brian Atlasam his uh I'm I'm your you have to go through Brian DM Brian first to get to
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Brian Atlasme yes um all right uh I'm Brian Atlas 35 YouTuber washed up has been over the
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Brian Atlashill podcast host uh yeah that's pretty much it uh Andrew what about you oh no Andrew oh oh my gosh she sh the beard
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Andrew Wilsonwhat happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard yeah so my name is
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Andrew WilsonAndrew Wilson I'm the host of the Cru WS popular entertainment Channel on YouTube YouTube I'm a political analyst a political saturnist and I do conversations and debates all over the world and I'm happy to be here tonight welcome Andrew by the way I I saw a
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Brian Atlascouple days ago I didn't mention this on Sunday's stream your debate on uh Pier Pier Morgan with sank fantastic guys so you guys uh if you haven't seen it yet you can just check it out on YouTube but
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Brian Atlasvery he he sped pretty hard it was really funny yeah it was it was a definitely very very interesting debate um uh going around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship
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Brian Atlasstatus if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead um I'm single I've been single for five months now um and my longest relationship was four
00:13:45
Brian Atlasyears was that the one that ended uh five months ago yeah okay pretty fresh uh who broke up with who um he broke up with me was there a reason given or um
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Michaela Quanhe was a medical student so the last two years of our relationship was um long distance mhm so he got really busy and I was living in Florida okay no cheating
00:14:06
Brian Atlasno okay okay so he's medical student got busy uh 5 months foure relationship isn't it like I don't know if you guys know like isn't it the case that it
00:14:17
Brian Atlastakes half the length of the relationship to get over it is that has that been the case for any of you are you are you good yeah no I'm definitely over it yeah I think I read somewhere
00:14:28
Brian Atlasthat it was like one month for every year that you were in the relationship I don't know wow that's pretty fast I would say that's pretty was okay all right um and uh so you've been
00:14:41
Brian Atlassingle for five months any have you been on any dates since then or anything yeah I've been on a few dates yeah any prospects any not really no yeah what would you say you're looking
00:14:51
Michaela Quanfor um I don't think I'm necessarily looking for anything right now I'm just like you know if it comes like if the right
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Bellaperson comes then that's it all right good times good times what about you so I am single for a year and a half my longest relationship was like 6 months
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Bellaall right was that the one that ended a year and a half ago yeah who broke up with who I did why um it was kind of like agree to disagree kind of thing uh we argued a lot and we couldn't come to a conclusion so we kind of just broke
00:15:25
Brian Atlasthings who started the arguments he did he did he'd start it okay okay was it on again off again or was it it was consistent okay so you ended it a year and a half ago it was a six-month relationship yeah and that's your
00:15:37
Brian Atlaslongest okay and that's before you started your only fans yeah that ended okay were you thinking of starting no while okay and uh in the year and a half
00:15:49
Brian Atlasthat you've been single have you been SE have you seen anybody maybe for like a month two months anything like that You' been have have you been celibate for a year and a half yes come on really yeah
00:16:00
Brian Atlasokay all right and uh so any dates or anything or no no no dates no dates cuz I thought I think I saw on your Tik Tok you uh you made clickit it's clickbait
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Brian Atlasyou posted a t no well you you posted a Tik Tok about uh you you were looking for announcing that you were looking for for someone to like slide into your DMs
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Bellaor something how's that it's rage be oh so you're not actually looking no no well don't okay so you wouldn't even go on a date like if somebody ask you out I generally don't want a relationship right now especially I'm doing only
00:16:34
Brian Atlasyou're focused on business yeah interesting is there like a specific number that you're trying to hit before you're like okay now I'll date um until I fall off until you fall off you fall off yeah and then I just quit the
00:16:44
Brian Atlasindustry so like three three months or you have like year you fall off people fall off typically on it like 20 23 24 or you planning on just going as long as it possibly takes as long as I can milk
00:16:56
Brian Atlasit all right I mean what if what if you don't fall off until like you're 60 then I'm single till 60 all right there you go uh what about
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Ebonyyou uh my last relationship was like high school like my junior year um I'm single um so you've been single for 3 years three four years basically I guess
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Brian Atlaslike okay yeah all right longest relationship it was like 6 months he was like my only boyfriend all right he's the only boyfriend you've had okay in the three years you've been single uh anything shorter term like one two 3
00:17:29
Ebonymonths anything like that yeah I've had like some flings here and there okay mhm all right uh do you have a roster currently do I have a roster I mean not
00:17:39
Brian Atlasreally I mean no so there's no guys in the picture currently not one okay maybe a few but it's not like a roster what's a few five like three
00:17:51
Brian Atlasthree okay did they know about each other of course not okay okay so it is a roster I guess sounds like a roster like I'm just going out you know are you like
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Brian Atlasuh I I think this is kind of common like are you hooking up with one and the other two like just dating no not you're not hooking up with any of them no I'm not Hing okay but you're dating all of
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Shelby Claytonthem okay all right interesting okay uh what about you um I've been single for like two years and my longest relationship was two years as well is that the two-year relationship
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Shelby Claytonis that the one that ended two years ago yeah okay who broke up with too um I broke up with him why um
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Shelby Claytonjust wanted to have a season of being single and learn more about myself and just experience life being single not in a bad way but just focus on myself did
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Shelby Claytonyou want to find yourself um I just think it's important to like be single when you're young so that you can focus on yourself and learn
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Shelby Claytonwhat you're looking for and find somebody whose goals and paths and values align with yours okay all right what about you um
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AnaI've been single for almost two years and my longest relationship was two years as well all right is that the one that ended two years ago yes who broke
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Anaup with who I did why I just couldn't do it anymore like it was just too much for me it was just very stressful it started to get really toxic he was kind of
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Anainsecure so it was just hard to handle okay uh and uh do you are you are you seeing anybody currently no I'm just nobody no prospects no nothing none they
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Brian Atlasall just got cut off but for the new year okay when you say all how what are we talking about like two three four what do um maybe like four okay four yeah
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Analike four and you were seeing them for a couple weeks couple months yeah each of them it was kind of like I was talking to one and then another one just came along and like you know since I'm single it's just like you know I'm going to talk to both of you guys
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Shelby Claytonand then the third one came along and the fourth one yeah all right oh and going back to you Shelby really quick um are there any guys in the picture
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Shelby Claytoncurrently um I'm dating but no nobody's like nobody like serious right now do
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Myinyou have a roster no okay all right what about you I'm I'm currently single I've been single for about 7 months um my longest relationship was 6 years is that
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Myinthe one that ended seven months ago or is that no it was like one when I was in my early 20s okay gotcha the six-year relationship who broke up with who I broke up with them the seven Monon
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Brian Atlasrelation or the relationship seven months ago who broke up with who me okay uh what were the reasons for the what was the reason for the sixy year one um he was 15 years older than me and I
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Brian Atlasthink I was maturing and I was I guess kind of changing or becoming my own person uh wait uh how old were you when
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Brian Atlasyou met him I was 19 and he you said 15 he was 15 older 15 years old 15 years older so he was 30 30 32 33 something
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Brian Atlaslike that okay the math is just difficult for us um it's been a while uh wait so uh okay you were with him for 6 years though and then I mean were there any issues in the
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Myinrelationship or just like oh he's old no it had I don't think he had anything to do with the age he didn't start balding or anything he was already
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Myinstarting when I met him oh that he was a great he's a great guy I just I think um because when you're 19 I
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Myinthink you're not quite sure what you want and um as I was getting older and more mature I realized that that person wasn't um someone I wanted to spend the rest of my life with how did you meet
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Myinhim him being so much older than you so I lived abroad for the last decade and I worked in the circus so I traveled a lot and um we worked for the same company
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Myinand I met him through work per circus what you what did you do in the circus I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion
00:22:23
Brian Atlastamer no he was the general manager of like the the G okay was it an open relationship no no it was closed okay um
00:22:35
Brian Atlasyou said that there were I I forgot exactly what you said but there were uh things that you were looking for that as you got older what were those like new things I guess that you were looking for that he wasn't
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Myinfulfilling well I guess cuz he was much older than me he was a little bit more more set in his ways
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Myinand I I guess I didn't completely agree with his ways yeah what can you give us like one or two examples like um what
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Myinwas the ways he was said in well I mean like when we go out and our friends are our friends were much older or like
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Myincloser to his age and as a 19-year-old is a little bit hard to relate and I always felt kind of uded
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Myinor like not quite understanding what was going on like at that maturity level okay was there ever a disagreement between who wanted kids and who no I
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Myinthink we both wanted kids actually I was engaged to him but then then I realized um I haven't I like didn't really date
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Brian Atlasbefore him so I didn't really know what I wanted okay so you needed that freedom of exploration it seems like something similar yeah I didn't really explore
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Andrew Wilsonmuch though yeah do you ever open the story with like yeah I got into relationships and started sleeping with my boss at the circus like that's kind of funny
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Myinright it's kind of I mean it it is kind of funny is yeah no I never tell people that I mean but yeah I usually when I mention
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Myinanything about about the circus um then I get like pretty flooded with questions because I know it's pretty unusual what okay question for for like
00:24:36
Brian Atlasany guy or girl looking to date somebody who works in a circus like is there a certain like stay away from the like the flame eaters like what what's the best
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Myinoh yeah that's a good question okay um the guys that do like the the ones on the motorcycles like the the wheel of death that one and like oh where like
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Myinlike the guys are in the motorcycle that one they're usually like Adrenaline Junkies and the one where is it the wheel of death where they're like spinning like and there's two like
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Myincircles and it's there's two people like one at the top and it's spinning and they're on the motorcycle right um these guys are like jump roping oh okay those guys are also like Adrenaline Junkies so
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Brian Atlasso okay them yeah but what about like the the sword dudes or like the flame people are they cool or yeah they're they're like tame were they dwarves no I didn't work
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Myinin like that kind of circus it was mostly like the aerial performances no fire stuff no fire stuff sword stuff sword stuff yeah but I was more in like I was a I was a flying traes artist so
00:25:45
Brian Atlaswe didn't it's weird like we don't like really hang out with who's at the top who's at the top of the echelon in the circus game to me it's the guys that do
00:25:56
Brian Atlasstraps straps what is that like it's like not like bondage or anything straps
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Myinno I mean like uh maybe not for dating but like or maybe I was just for career like who's the to me the guys that do straps straps yeah it's like an apparatus that has like two straps
00:26:18
Myinhanging and usually there's like a loop for your hands like your hands to go through or sometimes it's your feet um and it's just like pure strength so you don't usually see women doing it it's
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Meccalike a lot of it's like a more like a guy's apparatus got it uh what about your relationship status um it's like so complicated cuz I
00:26:41
Meccahave a kid so my kid's dad I don't want to be in the relationship anymore but he wants to so I kind of I don't know I don't really talk to
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Meccapeople but you don't want to be in the room I don't want to be in the room you guys are married or no no we were like engaged but like when I was pregnant I found out like he cheated and then yeah I was on Mother's Day I caught him
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Brian AtlasMother's Day nice uh and you have just one kid yeah okay and do you share custody um well he like just moved out of my place and got his own place so okay you so you kicked him out because he he still wanted to be in the
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Meccarelationship okay so you kicked him out and you were with you were dancing while you were with him still um I met him at the club and then like he kind of got like mad about it so I like I stopped and like he took care and stuff like when I didn't work but like the whole
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Meccalike cheating thing I was like not for that cuz it's like you're chea on me while I was pregnant and then I found out like for like the first four months of my kid's life he was like doing it so it was just a lot I was like I can't do this anymore and plus like I'm older than him so like I know what I want in
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Meccalife and like I don't think he really has it figured out so I'm kind of like I'm like very focused on what my goals are for this year and like how long have you been with him uh we were together for two years all right is that your longest relationship M all right got it
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Deauh what about you um I am in a relationship and my longest relationship was 2 years before this all right how long is this relationship 8 months but we were best friends for 2
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Samsonyears before so it's kind of like a weird line there got it what about you uh I'm single my last relationship was in 2018 we dated for 4 years um and I
00:28:22
Brian Atlaslived with him for a little bit two years and you said you've been single since 2018 yeah so like seven seven years ago I did talk to a boy on Discord
00:28:31
Samsonfor two years that was interesting how did you meet him on Discord like what Forum um so there's this uh Discord
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Samsonserver called Daddy Discord wait uh it's called Daddy Discord Daddy yeah um so it's a server with tons of public voice
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Samsonchannels public has tons of public voice channels where you have 10 people in a call and then you can go hopped on to another one that could only have five
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Samsonall over the world um so we met in there um okay but you never met in person no actually he kind of showed up to my
00:29:09
Samsonhouse he like I blocked him and uh he got my grandmother's phone number so he did he live in the same town as you or did he come to your town he live in California so he went from
00:29:21
Brian AtlasCalifornia to Michigan yeah it was wild it was wild all right uh but so you've been single for years since about 2018 uh have there have you had any short-term anything with any guys in
00:29:33
Samsonthat time period um no I always keep an eye out though so wait have you been celibate for seven years no oh you so you've had flings and stuff yeah when when's the last fling that you
00:29:46
Brian Atlashad yesterday last week um September sep September okay is that over though yeah okay all right what about you um let's
00:29:58
Brian Atlasyear so the longest relationship that I've been in was about a year and 8 months and it was very off and on we broke up quite a few times um I would
00:30:07
Brian Atlassay in total I've been in about three decently serious relationships I see okay and you are a virgin yes there we go 24y old virgin yep it's good 24y old
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Brian Atlasvirgin adorable I've never met a I'm curious you've never met a virgin before would any of you date virgin going around the table would you date a
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Ebonyvirgin yeah preferably not ouch yeah probably not yeah
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Deayeah yeah I don't think so yes cuz I'm also celibate
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Brian Atlasso wait what yes okay all right you okay so you're you're a virgin or you just celibate I'm just celbrate okay gotcha fantastic yeah very interesting all right uh right now I know who to grill
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Brian Atlason this but no I'm just kidding please don't I'm tot all right uh Andrew relationship status uh I'm married all right rock and roll cool so
00:31:17
Brian Atlasthat's everybody's status uh we have a couple chats here that I'm going to let come through uh touch my blade he sent this in uh what yesterday touch my blade it came in like right at the end of The Stream So he missed it thank you for all
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TTS/Donationsyour patronage yesterday man appreciate it we have a question here from duke Glock T views VI donated $200
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TTS/Donationsyou rather have a high profile J high C $100,000 a year also what's the least
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TTS/Donationsamount of money am of money you would Buzz your hair off per wow okay I need to fix that I don't know why okay I like the way
00:31:59
Brian Atlasit so the question would you rather have a high-profile job with no pay or clean sewers for $100,000 a year uh let's do that one first then we can do the other one starting with you
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Brian AtlasMichaela I don't I don't know you got to pick you have if you have to pick one so the status or the money
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Michaela Quanessentially um I I think I'd clean sewers for 100,000 okay I'd clean sewers for 100,000 okay Yeah i' clean the sewers okay well what's the pay of the other
00:32:32
Brian Atlasone like terrible here it's would you rather have a high-profile job with no pay so you make zero or clean sewers for $100,000 I pick the high so for example
00:32:45
Brian Atlashigh-profile job you might be like a You' be a doctor or an attorney or something like that but you don't get paid anything and you work full-time mhm okay you pick that what about you I'll do the sewers sewers okay i' caim sewers
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Meccasewers ERS okay I don't know I feel kind of conflicted cuz I feel like if you have a high-profile job you can like Network and then get paid like doing some side things but if that's not an option then I guess clean sewers she found a loophole there's the loop yeah
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Deathe loophole I don't know if that would pan out but what about you no actually I agree with her from the marketing perspective like you could definitely make money off of that just like make a Tik Tok or something I don't accept this
00:33:20
Dealoophole I reject the loop okay it's you can't do the side hustle is the high profile job something where you're helping people cuz then it's a combination of money versus like aiding
00:33:31
Deapeople like you said a doctor if you clean sewers you're helping people that's a noble job you're picking for money though you said it's $100,000 versus a high-profile job no money
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Deathat's the question so if it's a doctor versus sewers yes doctor sure doctor versus I would rather help people for no money than get paid a lot of money to clean what about you I do the high
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Brian Atlasprofile um because it's testing your brain I'd say all right it's fun I love money but I can't clean sewers for the rest of my life so yeah but you're going to be broke Brandon I dude it's sad you
00:34:06
Brian Atlaswant kids you want a family I I would have to take the I'd have to take the status of it you're going to so you just because I assume I'd be able I wouldn't be living on the street right you I mean you're not making any money oh I so I'd
00:34:18
Brian Atlashave to live with my parents again you you got to live with your parents or you got to marry you got to marry Sugar Mama okay if I'm completely broke BR so I I
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Brian Atlaswould I would have to clean the sewers I see okay oh and then really quick on this one he asked a second quick what's the least amount of money you would Buzz your hair off
00:34:39
Brian Atlasfor starting with Michaela so Buzz shorter than my hair just I mean see the sides the whole head that's how short um
00:34:51
Michaela Quanprobably yeah I don't know this a great question
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Ebony10K well done um 10K 10K I don't know 100K yeah probably okay probably 100K 100K I've been thinking about it
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Myinactually so probably like 50k 50k bare minimum okay least amount to buzz your hair off probably 100K 100K yeah
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Myin100K I used to be bald so like you'll do it for hamburger really no was that when you were in the circus yeah I just wanted to see what I look like like bald so I was it like a Britney Spears moment
00:35:30
Myinno that's what everyone always asks you know I just wanted to see like it's more aerodynamic I'm sure yeah no it's like velcro nice everything sticks with so how much um I don't want to do it again
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Meccaso probably like a lot of I don't know how much 100 Grand all right what about you 10 grand um yeah I've also shaved my head like twice in my life before so all right there you go how much right
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Samsonnow probably like 50,000 I'll do it all right I agree with that 50 50k all right 200k cuz I wouldn't leave the house for 2 years yeah also you can buy a wig wig
00:36:05
Brian Atlasyou can buy uh Brandon how much would you buzz your I would personally take like $5,000 and then I would just wear one of those George Washington wigs around for the entire time so yeah the price is pretty low I
00:36:18
Brian Atlasthink my head would look pretty good shaved not terribly okay but I do like my hair that's cool all right uh we have two more coming through here oh Andrew how much would you uh shave your Buzz
00:36:28
Andrew Wilsonnot shave Buzz your hair off for [ __ ] do it for free if it was hot enough outside that's like totally unimportant to me someone was like here's 5,000
00:36:39
Brian Atlasbucks Buzz your head I don't care it grows back yeah I've I've uh asked this question before and we've had some women who wouldn't even do it for a Mill and I was like that's crazy cuz like you could get a really nice wig they're coping and
00:36:51
Brian Atlasit's they're full of it come on somebody walk like here's a million dollars cash if you buzz your head all these chicks are Buzz head immediately well I tried to explain it like okay let's think about it okay what's your job okay you make $20 an hour uh you would have to
00:37:03
Brian Atlaswork like 20 years to make a million dollars like you're not going to do it I guess if they're making tons off of O though the hair is making the money but I guess they could get the wig at the
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TTS/Donationswig all right we have another another one from uh oh boy Arch okay oh my okay came out oh my God would you accept
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TTS/Donationsas the first woman president of us Trump never became but it me the PO Germany won
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Brian AtlasWW2 you take that trade that's an amazing question here I'm going to have to probably retrigger I'm not sure why all right were you guys able to understand that or okay here
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TTS/DonationsI'll play One More Time thank you AR hopefully it doesn't do it again Duke views the donated $200 if Trump came out as trans would you accept him as the first woman
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TTS/Donationspresident of the USA plus if Trump never became president but it meant the aess powers Germany won World War II would you take that trade uh okay so first question we'll start with the first and
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Brian Atlaswe'll come back to the second if Trump came out as trans would you accept him as the first woman president of the United States Michaela yeah sure okay that's very sure yeah that's good unfortunately yes unfortunately yes okay
00:38:25
Brian Atlasthat would be a great like step forward for women I think but what about you no no you wouldn't accept there's only two genders okay there you go what about you yeah I'll AC you would accept him as the
00:38:37
Meccafirst woman president okay sure sure okay um I'll accept but it depends on what says what's going to be like his stance moving forward with the Trans people cuz right now it's like yeah very
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Deacontroversial so I would not you wouldn't why um well he's trans so okay sorry he would be trans so he would be considered a transom woman but I don't
00:39:01
Deathink that that would make him the first woman president okay all right what about you Simpson he wouldn't be the first woman president okay yeah that's a
00:39:10
Brian Atlasdude okay all right and then the second part the second question is if Trump never became president but it meant to
00:39:19
Brian Atlasaccess power so like Germany it Le Japan uh they won World War II would you take the trade what does that mean it's trying to figure out if you hate Trump or not it's
00:39:32
Brian Atlassaying would you accept Nazi Germany versus Trump basically like so if if you could make the trade like wow you guys just oh my God ter I get you guys both
00:39:43
Brian Atlasmade it worse how do we both make it worse wait it's because you you uh I forgot what's the term is you guys whatever okay you added other qualifiers oh now it's just more confusing you
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Brian Atlasadded other qualifiers which may warp warp people's responses but um so okay starting with Michaela I guess she doesn't even know what she's answering yeah to be
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Brian Atlashonest I don't know so it's like Trump never became president Trump doesn't but the entailment of that so if
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Michaela Quanhe never became president but it meant like his time machine Germany won World War II Italy but he like he is the president so why I'm just going to no it's hypothe
00:40:29
Michaela Quanhypothetical yeah so okay then I just accept him being president over that all right what about I wouldn't take the trade off wouldn't take the trade no wouldn't take the wouldn't take the
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Brian Atlastrade no no okay no no no no there you go all right got our attention yeah no what okay all right I
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Brian Atlascouldn't read it oh okay uh and then uh let's see we have Lucas Here Andrew Am I Wrong looks like you've dropped a [ __ ] of weight looking good brother should be
00:40:58
Brian Atlasable to make it to nework New Jersey debate will be fun watching ftfe get the sank snake treatment now it's really funny because there's tons of people who
00:41:08
Andrew Wilsonare going over to modern day debate who paid for tickets and they paid for uh the VIP and everything else because they want to see me over there debating you
00:41:19
Andrew Wilsonshould tell James that he should give all of that money to me and keep none of it since I filled his seats up just to piss off it'll be good for James all
00:41:29
Brian Atlasright nice very cool very cool all right so uh let's see here we're going to get into some of the pre-show actually let's
00:41:38
Brian Atlasdo a react uh Daman let's do that first Twitter react do you know which one I'm talking about the very first one not the
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Brian Atlasgroups the grou the first one oh yeah yeah yeah let's get that pulled up all right guys so this tweet went viral it was like a month ago back in December but uh all right so first date ever
00:42:00
Brian Atlastonight absolutely bricking it wish us luck ladies and gentlemen click the photo all right and so uh he he has flowers going on a first date with flowers you can X out of that uh and
00:42:12
Brian Atlasthen the uh the Tweet went viral though it got like I don't know 100 million views on Twitter people were debating whether uh in today's day and age like is it kind of lame to bring a girl F
00:42:24
Brian Atlasflowers uh so going around the table what do you guys think do you think uh it's kind of sweet for a guy to bring girls flowers on the first date is he maybe kind of trying too hard doing too
00:42:35
Michaela Quanmuch a little extra starting with Michaela what do you think I I feel like it depends on how long attractive the guys no oh okay how like
00:42:47
Michaela Quanhow long how how long I've been talking to him like beforehand say you met him on Discord if no flowers
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Ebonyno flowers okay disregard the Discord thing what that I think it's really sweet okay if he brings flowers okay um I don't really care for flowers maybe if there's like money wrapped around
00:43:11
Shelby Claytonthem period all right what about you uh I would love flowers I'm curious of why you said you wouldn't like
00:43:21
Michaela Quanflowers um I feel like like if I've known him for a while like we were friends beforehand and then he was like okay I want to take you on a date and he brought flowers I feel like that's fine
00:43:33
Michaela Quanbut I don't know somebody that I like don't know bringing like I would feel weird cuz I don't have anything for him either so like it'd be weird if he brought me
00:43:44
Deasomething and I didn't have anything you feel like it needs to be transactional like why can't somebody just give you something just for the sake of giving yeah I guess that's true that's fair
00:43:55
Anaenough okay I think it's really sweet I love flowers like it's better than him coming empty-handed all right yeah I think it's sweet I'll
00:44:06
Deaaccept them mhm yeah I'd appreciate flowers I think that's really cute it shows that he made effort so yes MH
00:44:16
Brian Atlasmhm yes but I think they should gift house plants instead they live longer I agree with that actually yeah there you go Brandon what do you think flowers no
00:44:25
Brian Atlasflowers I have never BL brought flowers on a first date but I don't know if I was feeling really romantic it might happened but we would have had to have
00:44:37
Brian Atlastalked for a while before that I I have a funny first date yeah thing really quick before I have you go into that has anybody here got in flowers on a first
00:44:47
Deadate yes multiple times AAA Wow no yeah yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yes yeah yes no
00:44:57
Brian Atlasno damn somebody help out uh hi help him out with some flowers or [ __ ] I've actually I've re you've gotten flowers
00:45:08
Brian Atlason first a girl brought me flowers on the done that and then a girl a different girl this it wasn't the first date though she brought me flowers I don't know it's like a couple dates in
00:45:20
Brian Atlasbut first date a girl brought me flowers I was like okay cool did it what do I do did it go any further than that uh did it go and what was your original
00:45:30
Brian Atlasreaction to that uh I mean it was like endearing but it was like but then you were were you carrying around the flowers for the whole day I didn't know what to do so you were just carrying
00:45:42
Brian Atlasthem around uh no well we stopped somewhere so it's was like yeah I wasn't carrying them though he put them in his hair yeah I put one in my right here yeah men deserve flowers too yeah that's
00:45:55
Brian Atlasright I think women should bring flow flow on not the men the women should bring flowers on the first dat you something Shelby go ahead um a guy brought me well he brought me cat treats
00:46:06
Shelby Claytonon the first date because I have cats and that's kind of what sparked our conversation so he was really I thought it was really sweet he brought cat
00:46:16
Shelby Claytontreats for my cats okay yeah I think that that's so he brought like he brought like Meow Mix no yeah they were actually like from Amazon and they were like Amazon wrapped and like in a gift
00:46:28
MyinOh okay that's cool there was like a lot of thought put into it wow good times good times all right I received a road bike on a first date nice cuz they found out that was training for a triathlon I thought you
00:46:40
Brian Atlasdon't date the like the biker guys though Road like like a tri I got I got my wires crossed there those are expensive those are like
00:46:49
Brian Atlas$3,000 it was brand new or it was it was used it was like his ex wies or something oh wow wow very very romantic that's great yeah the first date wait
00:47:02
Brian Atlashow bad would it be I definitely didn't do this so I told you guys how on the first Daye a girl brought me flowers on the first date what if I regifted those
00:47:13
Brian Atlasto another like another girl that I was I was going on the first day to live with I don't think last that would be crazy what do you mean that would be I'm just saying what what if I did that I mean she wouldn't
00:47:26
Deaknow I guess you could get away with it if it lasts till then you know like if somebody gives you a toaster and you don't need a toaster you just gift it to somebody else it's like I don't need flowers what if you started dating and then you know years down the line you
00:47:38
Brian Atlashave to tell her that those flowers that she thought were so sweet were actually from another girl Oh I thought you meant what do I say to the to our children to the first girl who gave me the flowers yeah I would tell our kids that yeah
00:47:50
Brian Atlasyour mom gave me flowers and then I gave them away to another girl that's really romantic okay actually it'd be more romantic if I was dating the other woman who I gave the flowers to cuz then like I picked
00:48:03
Brian Atlasher over the flower girl know all right tough Crow How I Met Your Mother that's fantastic yeah uh were we going around the table on the flower thing oh Shelby did you
00:48:16
Brian Atlashave something or did you already I already talked oh you already it was the cat trats oh the cat traits okay God it Andrew your thoughts on the flower thing should a guy bring a girl flowers
00:48:27
Andrew Wilsonon the first dat Andrew I mean I guess if he wants to I don't really see again though I don't really see why uh women in modernity deserve any type of chivalry I don't I I
00:48:39
Andrew Wilsonstill don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some for some reason you deserve equality and Status it's like that's not how that works so uh I I
00:48:53
Andrew Wilsondon't think so I don't think the men should probably bring women anything on a first day to be honest with you I think it's a bad idea H I'm with Michaela on this I don't
00:49:03
Deabelieve is that how you got your wife by not giving her flowers yeah W W's in the
00:49:13
Deachap and he's the only one here who's married yeah boom how about that how about them M maybe if you didn't want flowers you'd be married I'm I'm 21 so I would rather not be married right now
00:49:25
Deathank you I mean it's yeah well I mean if you keep demanding flowers it's going to be 41 I never demanded anything I've never demanded anything I've just had very sweet boyfriends what what your cat's name's going to be anyway fluffy
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Andrew Wilsonyou're going have one name fluffy I don't really think it's smart to have a cat on a boat are you do you think you're going to give them people names like Chuck you going to call like Chuck and Fred you going to give your cat people names it going to be people name
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Deacats that's a very great question please ask me in 5 years when I'm 26 and apparently washed up 20 who said 26 what are you talking about you're saying that
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Deabecause I'm 21 and not married that's you know me thinking that flowers are sweet are the reason for that that's idiotic that does not make any sense I'm not saying I demand flowers I'm saying that a gentleman I know perfectly good
00:50:13
Andrew Wilsonjoke I know a perfectly good joke can hurt your feelings for no particularly good reason even though I'm clearly kidding but perhaps you can take a take a breath and actually respond to my argument instead so here's here's my ACT
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Andrew Wilsonhere's my actual position my actual position is that chivalry gives women additional status that men do not receive therefore if women want egalitarianism or equality they don't
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Deadeserve additional status you see that's my actual position status I I understand what you're saying I want to understand it further so what do you mean by
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Andrew Wilsonstatus okay well uh men get on the lifeboats last men are expected to protect women men are expected to not hit women back men are expected to go to Frontline Warfare and combat and draft
00:51:00
Andrew Wilsonwomen are not the list is endless in fact of the statuses in which women get in society that men do not due to a uh this idea of chivalry which is hundreds
00:51:11
Andrew Wilsonof years old now which is carried over when women were given this special status in society because men had the authority now that men do not have that Authority and women are equal why do
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Deawomen deserve this shival status why do they deserve it I don't see why they do so do you believe that kind gestures like flowers are comparable to front lines in the war can you just repeat back what I said
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Andrew Wilsonso I know that you got it I heard what you said what you were saying is that repat then repeat it back to me so I know what that I then I know you understand what I'm saying okay that's actual position on this how I understood
00:51:46
Deait which you can correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding was that you see the fact that you know men have a lower position in society compared to women right when it comes to the fact that
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Deawomen are not going to be drafted that men have other you know issues that they have to deal with that women are kind of put back for women do not you know have to be expected to let their man first
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Deaget on the Lifeboat if there's you know a ship that's sinking I understand what you're saying but I don't understand how a kind action of somebody giving you
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Andrew Wilsonflowers is comparable to the issues that men have to go through on a dayto Bas I guess men are kind than women if you expect that men then will bring you flowers and you w bring themers don't expect it I do think that that is you
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Andrew Wilsonknow fair to say that it is a kind gentleman to bring you flowers I can agree with there would be a kind woman who brought the gentle brought yeah I have also brought my boyfriend flowers there's no argument be competing over who's Kinder then and on the first date
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Andrew Wilsonshouldn't the woman be bringing the man flowers to show how kind she is that's fair I have done that on a first date it's a respect thing it's it's showing how many times on the first date have you brought flowers versus you have
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Andrew Wilsonflowers brought to you okay well I so you're just meaner than all the men you date aren't you just say Andrew by my own logic I'm meaner than all of the men I date because I don't bring them
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Deaflowers and they bring me flowers goad there's different ways to show affection rather than just gifts you can show affection through acts of service whether that's you know cooking them a meal whether that's you know setting up
00:53:20
Deathe date itself whether that's you know them teaching you a new skill you teaching them a new skill I've taken people on dates where I've taught them how to ride motorcycles or to sail or that sounds like an exchange I thought
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Andrew Wilsonyou were talking about acts of kindness so if you're talking about acts of kindness and not an exchange and you say it's a very kind thing for people to show up and give me flowers well would it be and it's a very kind thing if you show up and give them flowers then why is it that more men are being more kind
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Andrew Wilsonto you than you are to them can you explain that to why is it a competition between who is Kinder why isn't it just you're the one who made it a competition cuz you said it's an act of kindness and gentlemanly Men should do it I saying I
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Deawas saying that it was kind when men do do this you know when men do give flowers that is an act of generosity that is an act of gener more men have brought you flowers than you've
00:54:09
Andrew Wilsonbrought men flowers so therefore by that logic men are way kinder to you than you are to men yeah so do I have to care can you answer my question can you answer my
00:54:19
Andrew Wilsonquestion by your logic if it's kind to bring flowers and more men bring you flowers than you bring men flowers then men are kinder to you than you're kind to men is that correct or not correct
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Deait's flawed logic oh okay how because it's not whether or not you know I brought them flowers or they brought me flowers it's them doing something that
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Deais kind towards me right which yes in that scenario that would be them being Kinder on the first date however I have not dated that many men and I have not
00:54:52
Deayou know exchanged flowers with that many men that's not like something oh it's a Tuesday I'm going to go on a date so I can get flowers like that is an evil intention to just use men for a purpose like that yes have men given me
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Andrew Wilsonmore flowers than I've given them sure does that mean that I am cruel because I didn't I don't know what that has to do with anything I'm just utilizing your metric I'm not saying you're an unkind person I'm just saying that men are CLE
00:55:15
Andrew Wilsonkind to you I'm not saying you're an unkind person I'm not saying you're mean I'm not saying you're cruel I'm not saying any of those things I'm just saying that if it is the case that flowers equals kindness and kind act and
00:55:27
Andrew Wilsonmore men bring you flowers than you bring them men are acting kindly towards you than you're acting towards them simp that I can agree with they were kinder to me in the beginning that is fair that is a fair assessment now does that mean
00:55:40
Deathat you know what you're saying is that I you you started with you know I am crueler to men than men are to me that men are kinder to me than I am to them that's not a fair assumption you know but are you saying that they did a
00:55:51
Andrew WilsonKinder gesture to me on a first I'm saying is very simple is that if you if you these additional statuses in society like men have the shival gentle
00:56:02
Andrew Wilsongentlemanly men open my car door gentlemanly men will bring me flowers gentlemanly men will pay for the First with respect hold on hold on you got to let them finish then you can respond and then I'll let you talk I promise just
00:56:14
Andrew Wilsonrelax okay gentlemanly men will do all of these things for me right that's very nice of them to do all those things for them you what are you doing for them well you're not doing anything because well that's what gentlemanly men do so