Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224
Date: 2025-01-29
Duration: 8h 22m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Shelby Clayton(guest)
SPEAKER_03Michaela Quan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Samson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Myin(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brandon Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_11Ebony(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mecca(guest)
SPEAKER_13Dea(guest)
SPEAKER_14Ana(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:26
QuoteBella introduces herself as an OnlyFans creator who dropped out of college after 1.5 years.
“hi my name is Bella I do only fans um I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years”
00:11:52
QuoteBrandon Clark announces he is a virgin unprompted during introduction.
“I am a virgin I might as well just get that out of the way right now”
00:12:42
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself after shaving his beard — panel shocked by his new look.
“what happened hold on just cut cut the call Damen cut the call what did oh dude yeah my face is very cold he shaved he shaved his beard”
00:22:12
QuoteMyin reveals she was a flying trapeze artist and aerialist who worked for a circus for a decade and lived abroad.
“I was a flying chapes artist and an aerialist nice okay was he like a lion tamer no he was the general manager”
00:48:27
ControversyAndrew argues women who demand equality should not also demand chivalry (flowers, doors, etc.). Dea pushes back strongly. Extended debate about woodworking, sailboat skills, and toxic femininity.
“I still don't understand that I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and Status”
01:37:55
QuoteEbony claims women don't need men and women would do better if men disappeared overnight.
“I don't think that women like a lot of people think that women need men in like Society to maintain society and I don't think so I think women would be perfectly fine”
02:12:03
QuoteEbony admits she doesn't know what a "stud" is in construction context, saying it's a dog or a lesbian.
“what about a circular saw how does that work i've never seen one do you know what the stud is no”
02:23:52
QuoteEbony says she doesn't know who Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, or MLK are. Would put them all in cages.
“I don't know who that is... Nelson Mandela... I've heard that before but I don't know who that like what is he known for”
03:09:53
QuoteRatings round: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 ("inbred 5 on camera but 9 in real life"), Brian=8, Andrew=10.
“going back to Michaela and then back I would say 10 10 okay six six all right wow nine all right 10 10 okay I would say seven but six all right I think I'm 10”
03:11:00
ControversyAndrew refuses to accept Dea's reasoning for why she can't rate him objectively. Dea eventually gives him a 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Rachel Wilson messages from home backing Andrew.
“I'm just saying I think most people would say from... no you you didn't even have to do the impression”
03:25:08
QuoteRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) messages during the show: "When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after 3 hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way you accuse him of being difficult while no self-awareness."
“we got a message from Rachel Wilson Andrew Wilson's wife when Andrew find oh we should do a Rachel Wilson Cameo”
04:09:24
QuoteDea reveals she dated an NHL player and a Portuguese soccer player while modeling.
“a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey player but you in relationship those were all very short”
04:13:45
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves the show before the Ebony tweets segment. Brian noted he had tried to keep him for it.
“I wasn't here I was in the... he's gone I was hoping we could get into this”
04:31:22
ControversyAndrew delivers the "faking virtue" argument: women who slept with men they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue, and therefore the guy they claim to like is someone they're just "settling" for.
“what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me”
04:59:29
QuoteBrian's cheeseburger analogy: "making a man wait while her previous 10-20 partners paid $1 for a cheeseburger, then charging him $1,000 because she likes him more."
“I've said it before on the show so it's like making a man wait while her you know woman's past 10 20 whatever previous Partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger”
05:18:52
QuoteBella tells story of a guy who wore a VR headset watching Pornhub while having sex with her because he couldn't get hard.
“he basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset... he searched up Pornhub and then he like”
05:22:00
QuoteBrian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him and explains his daily bow requirement for his girlfriend.
“I do want my girlfriend to do a a respectful bow I expect... it has to be at least I think 40 45 de minimum is respect I prefer deep bow”
05:31:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Dea's Christian theology on submission. Dea eventually concedes she would sell her sailboat if her husband asked her to, per Ephesians 5:22.
“if that's his will then yes... your husband he says I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing do you do it if if that's his will then yes”
05:37:58
QuoteBrandon Clark confirms he is a Christian nationalist who supports patriarchy.
“I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality and yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah”
06:14:42
QuoteBrian fake-proposes to Myin with a ring pop to get her to reveal her body count.
“myin Gertrude wait you can't see it what oh there you go will you marry me wait what will you marry me”
06:18:33
ControversyBrian reads Ebony's tweets live on stream including "Slayer of white men," men should be slaves, men shouldn't vote, home-wrecking, male chastity cages, and reparations tweets. Panel reacts with shock. Ebony defends them as genuine beliefs.
“I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me... men deserve to be treated less than dogs”
06:19:00
QuoteEbony proposes men should be in chastity cages and have 11pm curfews. Multiple women raise hands in favor.
“I think men should be in chassity cages I think we as a society Society should normalize that... I think men should have curfews”
06:23:00
QuoteEbony says men shouldn't vote and men make make are the reason for societal problems.
“I think that men voting is why we're in this predicament now”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Introductions & Relationship Statuses
Brian and all guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then go around the table on current relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with who.
00:31:30
TTS/Viewer Questions — First Date Flowers & Buzz Cut Prices
Viewer-submitted hypotheticals: high-profile job vs $100k sewer cleaning; how much to buzz hair off. Also Trump-as-trans-woman president and WWII trade questions. Discussion on flowers on first dates.
00:41:47
Chivalry vs Equality — Andrew's Position
Andrew Wilson argues women who demand equality shouldn't also demand chivalry. Dea defends acts of kindness. Discussion spirals into Christianity's patriarchal structure, female apostles, and submission theology.
01:19:00
Myin: Too Nice/Submissive — Can Women Be TOO Nice?
Brian deep-dives into Myin's background: Always in relationships since 19, often the caregiver/financier for weak men. Cultural Japanese upbringing causing her to be too generous. Lived abroad/circus career. Brian advises her not to let American culture corrupt her traditional values.
01:37:46
Women Don't Need Men — Ebony's Position & Debate
Ebony claims women would fare better if all men disappeared. Andrew and Brian counter with infrastructure statistics (99% male linemen, 94% loggers, etc.). Debate on whether women gravitate to those jobs by choice or due to patriarchy. Includes pickle jar challenge, "do you know what a stud is" moment.
01:47:55
Men vs Women in the Workforce / Apocalypse Scenario
Continuation of women-don't-need-men theme: Brian shows stats of male-dominated critical infrastructure jobs (99% linemen, 94% truck drivers, etc.). Argument about what would happen if men disappeared overnight.
02:35:45
Age Gap Relationships & Phenotype/PDF Debate
Debate on whether age gap relationships are immoral. Ebony argues men attracted to "childlike phenotypes" are PDF files. Andrew and Brian expose contradictions in her logic. Discussion on mature-looking vs young-looking body types.
03:09:53
Ratings Round — Self-Ratings (1-10 scale)
Stiffler (viewer) asks all guests to rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Results: Ebony=8, Michaela=10, Bella=10, Shelby=6, Ana=9, Myin=10, Mecca=10, Dea=8, Samson=6, Brandon=10 (on camera he says "inbred 5 but 9 in real life"), Brian=8 (consistent 8), Andrew=10. Followed by AI-aging photos of all panelists. Discussion on when women peak in attractiveness.
03:10:27
Woodworking Debate & Andrew Rates Himself a 10
Dea claims to do woodworking; Andrew challenges what woodworking actually means. Andrew insists he's a 10; Dea gives him a subjective 5 (reduced to 4 for personality). Long debate on whether beauty can be assessed objectively. Rachel Wilson messages from home.
04:09:00
Dea: Dating Professional Athletes & Makeup-Free Living
Dea reveals dating NHL player and Portuguese soccer player briefly while modeling. Currently with her best friend (6'4"). Brian calls out height hypocrisy. Dea explains her natural/no-makeup lifestyle and DIY product-making.
04:26:10
Hookup Culture, Faking Virtue & The "Jipped" Argument
Andrew delivers Brian's "faking virtue" argument: women who were promiscuous with guys they didn't like but make the good guy wait are faking virtue. The man is "settling" for someone who won't sleep with him. Mecca's stripper-club origin story illustrates the point. Brian's cheeseburger analogy.
05:22:00
Brian's Bow Video & Biblical Submission
Brian shows clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him. Panel reacts. Dea and Andrew debate biblical submission (Ephesians 5:22). Dea concedes she would sell her boat if husband asked. Brandon reveals he supports patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
06:14:30
Body Count Round
Brian tries to get body counts around the table. Brian fake-proposes to Myin. Mecca says ~8. Dea declines (was assaulted). Samson declines but says motivated by love/fantasy. Most guests decline. Ebony gets called non-binary by mistake.
06:18:33
Ebony's Controversial Tweets & Findom Worldview
Brian reads Ebony's tweets live: "Slayer of white men," men should be in cages, curfews for men, men shouldn't vote, men deserve to be slaves, etc. Panel reacts. Dea and Shelby push back. Ebony defends her views as genuine, not just marketing. Also announces men's income should go to wives and male chastity cages should be normalized.
06:19:00
Curfews for Men & Male Chastity Cages
Ebony proposes men should have 11pm curfews and be put in chastity cages. Multiple women at table raise hands in favor of curfews. Brian, Dea, and Shelby push back.
06:48:50
Bear vs Man in the Forest
Classic viral question: cross paths with a bear or a man in the forest alone? Many women choose bear due to fear of assault. Brian challenges the percentages. Dea shares real experience of being followed by a man for 10 miles while backpacking.
07:38:00
Relationship Advice & Final Topics
Brandon shares positions on patriarchy and arranged marriage. Final viewer chats and roast session. Guests share their types. Brian shares his ideal partner. Call to action for Bella and Mecca to quit sex work.
07:53:52
Roast Session & Show Wrap
Viewers send in roasts of panelists. Ebony fires back at trolls. Guests share Harry Potter houses. Final call to action. Brian raids Monkey News on Twitch.
Transcript
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03:45:48
Brian Atlasbecome more feminized you know part of my job you know as a fitness coach and with a lot of the guys that I work with I honestly I just help them become more
03:45:59
Brian Atlasmasculine and sort of take on more masculine roles I encourage them you know as a coach to go out there and try to become more of a man so that we can continue to advance Society in the right
03:46:11
Brian Atlasdirection because I think there's been a lot of chaos with equality and I yeah I don't I don't agree with equality I don't before Brian moves on I'm sorry yeah I I understand how this always
03:46:24
Andrew Wilsonseems to the guest but because there's so many people here you try to get to all of them um so just kind of my last question is like ultimately if we were
03:46:33
Andrew Wilsonto ultimately reduce your worldview to like some semblance of a thing that we could easily make uh palatable to everybody who's listening it sounds s
03:46:45
Brian Atlaslike you're on the kind of Christian nationalist also patriarchy Camp would that be correct I would I would say that that is correct can I ask you a question what am I getting roasted for in the
03:46:55
Andrew Wilsonchat I'm genuinely interested what's the biggest you have well listen you have to understand that if people don't know you and you have thousands upon thousands of people watching you not everybody always understands the distinction between if
03:47:08
Andrew Wilsonyou're doing an internal criticism meaning you say hey let's dive into these views I agree with this I don't age with this versus your actual stance you understand the distinction yeah
03:47:19
Brian Atlasthank you for giving me the opportunity to sort of put that out there yes I'm very Pro patriarchy I'm not pro equality
03:47:28
Brian Atlasand yeah I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it but yeah I definitely do think overall you know this nation should return to basic
03:47:40
Brian AtlasChristian values I was raised my dad's a pastor so he's a pastor Presbyterian pastor and I went to school and I studied you know Christian apologetics
03:47:51
Andrew Wilsonand things along those lines that's that's my well we got we got that out of the way there you go thank you ran go ahead all right um can I have you read this
03:48:01
Michaela QuanMicha oh boy thank you Lucas before it disappears holy [ __ ] the level of illiteracy miguelin was the first man to circumnavigate the globe you are a
03:48:13
Michaela Quansnowflake you're but because Andrew isn't nice he's direct pointed and forthright that's laughable loable oh okay yeah quick response quick quick
03:48:24
Dearesponse please okay well I'm sorry that I also hurt your feelings apparently because you felt the need to put that in the chat but I didn't know who the first person was who circumnavigated so thank
03:48:34
Brian Atlasyou for that that's good knowledge to have thank you just just also it's just mellin yeah okay mellin I was what okay I don't understand no you're
03:48:47
Brian Atlasjust a little solipsistic like I feel like you think everything is directed to you or about you but I was actually directing snowflake I was making the
03:48:57
Brian Atlasmellin what just forget it just forget it um I didn't follow that one so yeah um all right um pull up twitch really quick cuz I
03:49:09
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03:49:20
Brian Atlasthese streams just drop us a follow if you have a prime sub drop us a prime sub Sabrina thank you for the Prime bronzy thank you for the prime appreciate it guys thank you thank you all right let's get back into it uh we have a lot to get over so I'm going to try to do it as
03:49:32
Brian Atlasquickly as possible uh let's go to Mecca Mecca you said why do you guys think that just because you had something casual with them that you want to move things further like can we keep things
03:49:42
Meccachill No Label be cool not looking for anything more yeah cuz I feel like some guys like if you think they're cute or like you hooked up with
03:49:53
Meccathem I feel like they think as a girl like you're more emotionally like attached and it's like no you're just cute that's it that's all like I don't want to be anything with you I don't
03:50:04
Meccawant to further this but like I feel like they get that like that like you know you want to keep talking to them it's like yeah we can still be friends but that's are you saying that
03:50:16
Meccayou you're using men for sex and they're having a problem with that too I mean they no I get the problem when they're like well they like automatically think that
03:50:27
Brian AtlasI think or girls in general think that oh she wants more it's like no do you think that the assumption is correct that most women tend to pair bond with
03:50:39
Brian Atlasmen obviously like during sex and that's why they expect the woman to be become more emotionally attached or do you not believe that that's a fair assumption um I mean I've met girls like that but I've
03:50:50
Brian Atlasalso met girls like that have the same like ideas me is like you can still like hook up or like be casual and like leave it at that do would you say that that's a masculine quality for a woman to have
03:51:01
Meccato use a man to want to use someone for sex um I guess I never really thought about it that way but cuz you know guys women are becoming hyper masculine can I
03:51:12
Deasay something here from a scientific perspective Ive women actually releasee oxytocin um when they have sex with somebody at Le when once they've had sex three times versus men don't so that it is true that women will be bonded to a
03:51:25
Deaman you know whether or not you actually give into that and you like force yourself to not have that your brain's still going to release the oxytocin if you've slept with a man for more than three times versus men don't have that reaction actually sometimes if they have
03:51:37
Deasex with a woman and they're not in love with them yeah they have the opposite reaction where they no longer find that woman attractive which is a if I sleep with a woman she releases it on the first
03:51:49
Brian Atlastime Brian you're a virgin Brian stop it what are you say what do you say do you feel more empowered by like going around and sleeping with men and then sort of
03:52:01
Brian Atlasalmost getting back at them at sort and sort of using them for sex because girls so often use men for sex heaven forbid these men want a relationship oh my God
03:52:11
Brian Atlasthese [ __ ] scum these [ __ ] scumbag wanting a relationship with you Mecca [ __ ] those guys [ __ ] those pieces of [ __ ] you're a single mother aren't you
03:52:23
Brian Atlasso you're you're a single wait you are right yeah so you're a single mother and you're not looking for like actively not looking for a relationship yeah no I don't even like hook but I'm like saying that as like when I was like younger
03:52:36
Brian Atlaslike I noticed like a lot of guys be like they think you want more and it's like no like we could just you know [ __ ] move on from all of my experiences with single mothers I feel
03:52:46
Brian Atlaslike they are no I can tell you with 100% certainty every single single mother that I have had an interaction with was desperate to be in a
03:52:56
Brian Atlasrelationship that is a that's a personal thing so I can say that you are I get hit up by single moms a lot I can genuinely say you the first single mother I have ever met that wasn't
03:53:08
Meccaactively looking to get into a relation yeah cuz I feel like for me also it's like I don't want to introduce another guy into my kid's life that cuz I would have to like get to know you for like a good while cuz
03:53:21
Brian Atlasthat's just like a different level but don't you think that the kid having a father figure is super well she still has her dad just because we're not together okay so they you guys split the
03:53:31
Brian Atlastime yeah okay okay so she does have a father figure okay but you obviously broke it off with this man because you thought that he had characteristics that
03:53:43
Brian Atlasyou didn't like that you didn't really want to continue to be associated with so why would you let that rub off on your daughter instead of going out and actively seeking to find like a
03:53:53
Meccamasculine man that can be a good example for ask that I broke up with my my kid's dad because he cheated so people always say oh you're not a good example I'm like why I wouldn't what my daughter to say was someone that cheated on her
03:54:04
Meccaespecially while you're pregnant dealing like with like being a mom for like the first four months I wouldn't want my kids to go through that so so wouldn't you want to find another man that
03:54:15
Brian Atlaswouldn't do that that would instill those values in your child yeah but that's not my priority right now and also like you don't have a kid right no I do not so I feel like once you do have
03:54:26
Brian Atlasa kid you kind of Immaculate Conception that would I am the Virgin Brandon that's a l feel like the people you want around your kid pregnant
03:54:39
Meccalike you you don't want everyone around your kid like you wouldn't want everyone around kid you wouldn't want any guy meeting your kid all so you'd have to vet them yeah of course do you think
03:54:49
Brian Atlasthat I have a question for you do you think your kid would approve or would you approve of your kid like being who you are right now
03:55:01
Brian Atlasgoing out and like sleeping with guys and not looking for a relationship is it a daughter it's a son right it's a girl it's a girl okay so perfect that fits the analogy if you would you approve
03:55:12
Brian Atlaswould you want your daughter going out and sleeping with multiple men not looking for a relationship if she wants to do that if she wants to just who am I to tell her no she's going to be a grown woman you think you'll say that when
03:55:25
Meccayou're older when she's out there doing that exact same thing do you think you give her that advice you know she's over 18 and it's consensual and she can [ __ ] who she wants to [ __ ] I don't give a God I don't care no that's very interesting
03:55:36
Andrew Wilsonit's just interesting do you think what do you think or um just just a quick question like let's say that you were with a good man what do you think he would say wait what
03:55:48
Andrew Wilsonif you were with a good man right who was like an excellent role model for your daughter what do you think he would say um my that question was posed to him my kid's dad or the guy the new guy no
03:56:00
Andrew Wilsonno that's not what I asked listen listen closely to what I'm asking if you were with a very good man what do you think his response to the same question you were just asked would
03:56:10
Meccabe um I don't think he could say anything cuz that's not his kid so I wouldn't even allow him to be in that place to say anything to her so then if you were with a good man you
03:56:22
Meccawould say that the good man's place was not to tell his stepdaughter not to be promiscuous um I feel like a good man for me would have the same like ideas and
03:56:37
Meccabeliefs like good so the good man not sure why that triggered again but okay a good man to me would like someone that's like uh like-minded and thinking so if if I don't care what my kid's doing and
03:56:49
Andrew Wilsonthat's not your kid you shouldn't care either well why would he ever want to be in the position to uh be a stepfather to your kid if he was not in a position of
03:57:01
Andrew Wilsonauthority well to a certain extent but well what extent he's not allowed to have input on her promiscuous lifestyle like what
03:57:12
Meccashe's over 18 no no cuz she's an adult she can make her own decision I'm sorry do does do you have a mom in your life yeah does she give you advice yeah
03:57:23
Andrew Wilsonaren't you over 18 that doesn't mean I have to listen yeah it doesn't I asked what he would say not that she would listen is it your mom's place when she gives you all that unasked advice that you don't [ __ ] care about or you're
03:57:36
Andrew Wilsonlike shut up mom I'm tired of hearing this I hate enough mom enough get out of my business mom no but she doesn't care she gets in your business anyway because she loves you
03:57:47
Meccaright yeah yeah and so don't you think a good man would do the same thing yeah but most parents don't really like I don't talk to Mom like she doesn't ask me about like sex and stuff
03:57:58
Andrew Wilsonlike but every every parent in a child has like a well hang on does is it that she wouldn't care or is it that you omit it like if you went to your mom and you were like hey Mom you know like been sleeping with a lot of dudes would she
03:58:11
Meccabe like uh yeah you should stop doing that she would probably be like girl why are you telling me this really yeah she wouldn't she wouldn't give you advice like stop doing that she would probably just say are you
03:58:22
Meccabeing safe about it but she wouldn't she's not like you know like that to say anything like negative about it you think that that's good
03:58:33
Andrew Wilsonparenting um I mean yeah I mean it's not really her place what I mean where does her place end what do you mean well do you ever call your mom and go hey [ __ ] up and I
03:58:46
Andrew Wilsonneed some money or hey [ __ ] up and I need a place to stay or hey I need some help with this or hey Mom can you help me with this and you should do that cuz you're my mom sometimes yeah then isn't the
03:58:58
Andrew Wilsonexpectation the same if you're the kid you hold the dignity and the the charity of the entire family and so our name lives on through you so I have certain expectations for you isn't that totally reasonable too yeah but what goes on
03:59:10
Andrew Wilsonlike that type of stuff that's not really like public information so it doesn't really matter I need a final point on this all right what I'm saying is is that I think a good parent step parent or not if the answer is what
03:59:23
Andrew Wilsonwould your what would the stepdad say if you asked the same question he was a good man your response is the same thing as me I wouldn't stop her from being promiscuous and doing bad life decisions and things like that I would say the
03:59:35
Andrew Wilsonopposite is true if you had a good man a good man that he would say no don't be promiscuous stop doing all of this Behavior it's bad for you and bad for everybody else I think that would be good parenting
03:59:46
Meccaadult or Not by the way wouldn't you say I would say that to somebody who wasn't my kid who was an adult right what what's actually wrong with that well how is um exploring her sexuality how would that be bad per se if she's doing it
03:59:58
Meccasafe and consensually how would that be bad if she wants to sleep and you know what she doesn't using me ask question
04:00:07
Andrew Wilsonif you don't here very quickly Brian if you have zero sex zero none what are your chances of Contracting a sexually transmitted disease none obviously what
04:00:18
Andrew Wilsonare your chances of getting pregnant none okay so then any sex is actually unsafe sex isn't it well not if you're using protection no even if you're using protection protection cannot work right the pill
04:00:32
Andrew Wilsonmay not work you could still get pregnant condoms break right there the only chance that you have of 0% is what none
04:00:42
Brian Atlasnone yeah so and I'm not trying to rag on you I just think that you know based off of the studies all the studies that I've seen say that if you want your
04:00:51
Brian Atlaschild to grow up like the best to be the most successful to be the best person there's usually a very positive father
04:01:01
Brian Atlasfigure very positive female like mother figure you know in their life giving them Direction on what to do and it sounds to me like the situation that you're putting yourself in going out and
04:01:13
Brian Atlasengaging with hookup culture is ultimately what leads to unplanned pregnancies and even men going out and cheating and things along these lines just lack of like sexual control and
04:01:24
Brian Atlascontrol over your urges is ultimately what bleeds into these problems in the first place and leads a leaves a lot of children fatherless or motherless or something
04:01:34
TTS/Donationslike wolf fre donated $200 the woman in the green dress with tattoos is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen wow show more often oh
04:01:46
Brian Atlasall right there you go there you go hey give a response you got to give a response to Wolf thank you that's so sweet all right thank you wolf to appreciate it and then we have crazy Ace
04:01:57
Brian Atlaswho just gifted 20 Subs yo guys uh this is over on Twitch W's in the chat for uh crazy crazy Ace thank you so much man appreciate the gifted 20 thank you dude
04:02:08
Brian Atlasall right let's get into the rest of the notes Here uh de DEA did I did I say right yeah de okay uh you write you're an ex-model sailor who's Christian you believe in not sleeping around and hold
04:02:20
Brian AtlasChristian values you think you could be a voice of reason to millions of girls falling down the rabbit hole of today's societal Norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality what do you mean by
04:02:30
Deathat well that's a lot to dive into but I'll try to tr be can yeah as briefly um I don't think that hookup culture is positive in our society I think that it's degrading our basic nuclear
04:02:42
Deafamilies and I think that it's leading a lot of women to feel a false sense of empowerment when you're really giving up your power um I think that being abstinent having a husband waiting till
04:02:53
Deamarriage if if you can you know that is the best option um I also do think that stuff you know like sex work which this is going to be controversial but I think
04:03:04
Deathat doing sex work you know is leading more towards people's addictions and sins that would be avoided if there wasn't such a large industry for that you know if there's no you know there's still going to be
04:03:16
Brian Atlasdemand but there's not as much access to that so I think that's degrading our culture when you say um in the name of equality though in your original message that you sent I mean what is the
04:03:25
Brian Atlasequality that you object to can you can you go further with that I don't completely understand your question well you said I think I could be the voice of reason to millions of girls falling down the rabbit hole of
04:03:37
Brian Atlastoday's societal Norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality what components or aspects of equality do you object too I don't believe that giving your body to men is making you equal how
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Brian Atlasdoes that oh um but how does that pertain to equality because hookup culture is encouraging women to go out and basically be it's saying take back
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Brian Atlasyour power like Empower Yourself by sleeping around with as many wait wait wait wait wait hang back back way up for me dude yeah hook up culture when you talk about culture culture is people now
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Andrew Wilsonthis is not this is not like some intangible thing this like product of the mind that you're talking about when you say hookup culture you're talking about people yes people encouraging well
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Brian Atlasso what I'm talking about is feminism feminism is ultimately what's trying to encourage women to go out I think I think men do it too like I think that
04:04:34
Brian Atlasthere are men involved but I think that ultimately feminism nowadays is encouraging women go take power of your own body sleep with whoever you want to
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Brian Atlassleep with but I I want to get her position though so you said it's in societal Norms inflicted upon women in the name of
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Brian Atlasequality what in the name of equality what equality are you objecting to I don't know how a hookup culture pertains to equality so so women are you know
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Deaarguing that by Sleeping with men you're taking back your power in sex which is making that equ what do that have to do with equality though okay so you're talking about equality in like the sexual connotation right like equality
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Deain sex so since women are now sleeping with whoever they want men have slept with whoever they wanted for centuries that they were prostitutes like that was a very common thing but now it's the average person that is just having sex
04:05:29
Brian Atlaswithout thinking of the consequences or you know without having any restra but hold on but for an individual man to engage in a casual sex act it there's a corresponding woman also engaged in the
04:05:40
Brian Atlascasual sex act there's always been equality when it comes to casual sex because in order to have casual sex there's two people so I don't understand your right what you're saying saying so so it used to be prostitution right like there were concubines that was a thing
04:05:53
Dearight throughout all of history you can see prostitution now women were always um valued on their their virtue right like people used to literally take women and check their virginity to before they
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Deacould get married that was a a practice wait are you saying so I'm saying that there's more prostitution airgo that's equality men AR prostit know that's not
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Deamy point at all now okay now what I'm saying is that it it is the average woman who is acting as the average man has ACT which is not creating equality
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Deait's breaking down the nuclear family so by having women and men you know agree into this symbiotic relationship of hookup culture right of sleeping with each other with no strings attached or
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Deavery casually outside of the you know confines of marriage it's against the Bible so you know I don't agree with it because of that but also before I was even Christian I didn't believe in hookup culture for taking back your
04:06:50
Deapower which is what the feminist movement says is sleeping with other men you know dressing provocatively that's going to bring back your power I don't necessar what is the goal of
04:07:00
Andrew Wilsonfeminism excuse me what is the goal of feminism no no yeah equality equality yes so the so if they
04:07:13
Andrew Wilsonwant equality who do they want equality with men and so that that this must entail that they were oppressed by who men so then this would entail that you
04:07:24
Andrew Wilsonbelieve that women also were oppressed by men so you believe that women have been oppressed by men yes I see go ahead
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Deawith your inquiry I just wanted to get that out on the table yes yeah I do I do believe that I think in the past we weren't treated as equals that's Fair we weren't allowed to wait wa wait hold on no no no this is a little contradictory
04:07:46
Brian Atlashere because you're saying women were not treated as equals this is unfair but you're saying that today's societal Norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality so which is it is equality
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Deabad or is it good I don't think that people should be having sex outside of marriage for different Reas I think that that is not something that you should try to be equal with men it's something that you should not allow that to be so
04:08:10
Deamainstream in society it's not that that's you know uing you know if if men and women should be equal it's that I don't believe that sex outside of marriage is okay like I I don't I don't personally agree with it you know it is
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Deaa sin and and so that's why you know I've become cell of it is because of that is because of the fact that you know I I don't believe that that's okay so no I'm not arguing about equality as
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Deaa whole I'm saying women you know now the feminist movement is arguing that if you give your body to these men then you are taking back your power and that's not taking back your power you're giving
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Deait away more that is not at all what is you know the meant outcome by that you're supposed to feel empowered so many women will tell you I've had friends confin in me you know hey I hooked up with this guy I felt like crap
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Deaafter I cried it's like that is not taking back your power you are giving yourself to a man and that is a very serious thing and that's why it's supposed to be in the confines of marriage wait can I ask her a question I
04:09:06
Brian Atlasthink that's a great on I have to move it on uh you say you don't uh you dated some top NFL NBA and millionaires but ultimately ended up dating your best
04:09:15
Brian Atlasfriend yeah how so you said you dated some top NFL NBA players how did you one how did you meet them um just can you guys not do the
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Deasidebar please sorry go ahead um just just from modeling I did meet a lot of people that were you know quote unquote High status and I don't think that that's something that should be um what women are going for is what I was trying
04:09:38
Deato say there is like I found my partner who I believe will be my future I'm sorry you're too far from the okay sorry I'm tall if you can just try to remember yeah okay um I found my partner who I
04:09:49
Deabelieve to be my future husband in my best friend you know there were these quote unquote High status men that were pursuing me and I don't think that that makes a man you know more eligible I
04:10:02
Deathink that you should find somebody Who You're compatible with on a mental and you know emotional level rather than trying to chase the status or chase the money like I don't think that it's okay
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Deaand I know you know there's disagreement on the panel with that but I don't think that you should chase a man just for money you know um you said you dated some top NFL NBA how many different NFL players did you date so when I say date
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DeaI mean like I went on a date with I've realized very uh recently that people have a different idea of dating than I do cuz I don't really I haven't dated that many people I've been in serious
04:10:38
Dearelationships for most of my life were you in a serious relationship with NFL or a NBA player um a professional soccer player yes and a professional hockey
04:10:48
Deaplayer but you in relationship those were all very short and I I would NHL was he an NHL player yeah and then uh what's the soccer the American I mean he was in Portugal so that I don't was he
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Deain the is it the Premier League or Damian do you watch uh I don't know like European soccer and those were those were all very short relationships they were within a few months I realized that
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DeaI wasn't really interested ining was this before you were a Christian yes okay and I did not sleep with them if that's your question you didn't sleep with any of them no I was actually celibate before I was Christian those
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Deawere my morals anyways um I I found Christianity I found Christ after but I have always believed that this is the way you also you also said you dated millionaires plural I mean I live in you know I live in California now but before
04:11:36
Deawhen I was modeling I've been modeling since I was 16 and so I met a lot of high-profile people again when I say date I mean I went on to date with and I realized now that that's not very clear like I've gone on multiple dates with people like this and I've realized the
04:11:49
Deaonly point of that message was that that's not what's important when it comes to a man you should find somebody that you're compatible with it doesn't matter their status it doesn't matter what they look like it doesn't matter their height it doesn't matter you know
04:12:02
Deahow much money they have in their pocket you should find somebody that you can their height doesn't matter you're you're you said you're a model right how tall are you I'm 5'10 how tall is your boyfriend he's 6'4 but I've dated a guy
04:12:12
Brian Atlashold up I've dat a guy who was 5'4 so to fair but you said dated your definition of dating means a guy you went on a date with like I could see a girl giving a 54
04:12:25
Brian Atlasguy like maybe you ask some guys lie about their height so you dated a guy but he missed I knew his height I thought it was I thought it was cute that's what every guy wants to hear he's cute um but women say this [ __ ] like oh
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Deaheight doesn't matter how tall is your boyfriend he's in the one percentile he's in the top percentile though I'm taller than the average man so you got to give me some credit there when I wear he I'm probably taller than you I'm 510
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Brian AtlasI don't care that's fine you're 510 what yeah but like I think it's a guy taller than you could be 5'11 or 6 foot which is much more common than 6'4 that's like the 99 my boyfriend didn't pick his height and I didn't pick him for his
04:13:02
Brian Atlasheight like I said he was my best friend oh I don't and then you ask the girl okay how how tall is all your exes how tall is your current boyfriend I don't care about how he's he's above
04:13:13
Brian Atlashe's like in the top percentile of that's fair but the men you end up with oh he he's 6'4 that's fair that's fair it's crazy I mean it does make it difficult with the boat cuz he doesn't fit head spacewise so oh yeah you should have disqualified how is he going to
04:13:26
Brian Atlaslive on the boat with you I'm going to have to get a bigger one how's he going to yeah you got to get a big I'm going to have to upgrade so all right is he a professional athlete or no no he did play basketball but he's not colle um
04:13:37
Brian Atlasyeah yeah now he's PR pretty up there okay um all right well that's cool um and and then uh I don't know say and then you said next thing you you don't
04:13:48
Brian Atlasbelieve the girls are going to love this one you don't believe makeup to be super beneficial to women you you live naturally and that may offend a lot of people uh do you want to flesh out your position like what do you think about
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Deamakeup sure so I mean I make all of my own products like I make my own laundry detergent I make sorry I'm like way too tall for this um I make my own laundry detergent like I make my own sunscreen I
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Deamake all my own hair care which I've been figuring it out with curly hair it's more difficult than it might seem I make all of my own skin care like everything I do I make it myself I make my own toothpaste everything and so
04:14:23
Dealiving naturally I've realized that a lot of the things that you know we put on a day-to-day basis like this is cotton so I only try to let's get to the makeup stuff though right okay so so so makeup is toxic chemicals right so it's it's literally bleeding into your into
04:14:37
Deayour body it's going through your skin your Skin's permeable which isn't positive you know you're putting all these crazy things they used to put literally lead in makeup and people you know dealt with that for for that was through ignorance though yeah of of
04:14:50
Deacourse it was through ignorance but I also not even from a you know physical standpoint don't think that that's positive for Women's Health I also don't think that it's positive for their mental health because if every single
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Deaday you have to put on makeup and then you know you you start to see yourself and I used to wear makeup like it I mean I still sometimes will put on some lipstick like I now make my own stuff if
04:15:13
DeaI'm going to use it but I don't you know regularly use it when you wear makeup you become a different are you wearing makeup are you wearing lipstick right now no you can see my finger so I'm just
04:15:25
Deawell I'm just curious uh my lips are chopped though I was sailing yesterday um okay so you're not wearing any makeup no my whole face is this is that's why I look so red on camera right now cuz like my face is flushed um you can tell I'm
04:15:38
Deanot wearing Foundation that would be covered and also the fact I just touched my cheeks and they got redder so are you anti makeup okay um it's okay it's fine if you have that position yes yes I am okay
04:15:50
DeaW's in the chat so ladies what do you guys think I'm this up to the can I say why oh you want to speak more okay go ahead okay one last thought okay yeah one last thought go ahead go ahead go ahead okay you're
04:16:02
Brian Atlaslittle verbose is all okay I know I am I know I am you're a little verbose okay I want to let let the goad okay one more thing then everyone else yeah one more two thing three thing but okay
04:16:13
Deago ahead all I'm going to say is that once you've stopped wearing makeup the first month is really bad like you feel bad about yourself cuz you do look better with makeup it's made to make you more attractive however you start to
04:16:25
Deafeel more confident in your own skin when you stop wearing it because you're no longer looking in the mirror and waking up in the morning thinking I don't look like how I want to look you start to accept yourself how you are and that's what I've found through it now it
04:16:38
Deamight be your form of self-expression but I've found personally that that's made me a lot more confident and comfortable with who I am any girls uh here at the table she's
04:16:50
Ebonyanti makeup we got some Pro makeup girls here I mean some women here Pro makeup Pro makeup Michaela Bella what do you think Pro makeup Pro makeup anybody yeah I don't think everyone's going to suffer like these mental health effects of like
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Ebonysee so differently like I don't actually wear makeup day to day I only wear makeup when I'm going to be on camera and I think I look great without makeup and you know I don't like I don't like I see where you're coming
04:17:15
Ebonyfrom how it might distort some women's like personal image of themselves but that's why I think you know there should probably be like a like a age to like a level of maturity to where like women
04:17:27
Ebonystart wearing makeup but like I don't think that it's just I don't really think it's that damaging I don't think it's any more damaging than wearing flattering clothes taking it off like I don't really so if you think you look good natural
04:17:39
Brian Atlasthen what's the reason for an En answer like is it enhancing for men is it enhancing for yourself both to look good to other people to look good to me wait
04:17:51
Andrew WilsonDEA question if you were president and you could sign an executive order I thought I wasn't supposed to talk anymore I I as the no no no he just said
04:18:02
Andrew Wilsonhe just said you're very verbose I am ver the definition of verbose being that you often use more words than necessary to express the thought Brian was simply
04:18:12
Andrew Wilsonin his own very shival way just saying we still want to hear from you but perhaps we can keep it a little bit more concise so concise in fact that I haven't said anything for a while and
04:18:23
Brian Atlasalready you're trying to cut in while I'm talking but anyway go ahead you got so okay would you sign an executive order Banning makeup if you
04:18:33
Brian Atlascould really no no I I wouldn't no uh do you think women who wear makeup are insecure
04:18:45
Deahey I'm I'm ask answer the question go ahead it's not my position I'm just asking if it's her position yeah be honest put it out there two sides kid just kid either you do it for art or you
04:18:57
Deadon't like how you natur mic's just right here okay I'm I'm on a corner I know it's hard just if you can two sides either you wear it for art or you wear
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Deait to cover or enhance something that you feel is naturally lacking so I do think think that you know if if you're not wearing makeup you feel more confident like I said and so I think
04:19:18
Deathat the more makeup you wear the more you're likely to become insecure and I think that it's kind of like a double-edged sword there I'm not saying that every woman that wears makeup is insecure that's also what's pushed on our society so it really depends and I
04:19:30
Deaknow I'm giving a roundabout answer I just gave a clear one before um but I think you can do it for art or you can do it to enhance your looks and either way you know you're doing it for a
04:19:41
Deaspecific reason and I personally don't think that I want to do it so I'm going to have the the pro
04:19:48
Brian Atlasmakeup uh cartel weigh in uh the the pro makeup delegation Michaela Bella whoever else is pro makeup I think you said your pro makeup uh you think she's full of
04:20:01
Michaela Quan[ __ ] what do you think I mean what do you think Michaela give it to us Michaela I mean for me personally like I'm really creative and I like to draw too so for me it's like doing my makeup
04:20:12
Michaela Quanis really soothing when I'm if I feel like doing it before I leave the house it's like it calms me my my ex used to say like he was like I've never met a girl that cuz I would literally do my makeup when I'm stressed and take it
04:20:24
Michaela Quanright off like immediately just cuz it's fun for me I can understand that yeah so I mean for yeah for me it has nothing to do with like confidence I'm totally okay going do do you know what's in your makeup like do you know the chemicals that are in there I do yeah yeah yeah I
04:20:37
Dealook I look up all the ingredients and that's like you're educated on the subject I think a lot of women are kind of pushed into that being you know young kids you've got kids going to Sephora now at 12 yeah and they're buying you know lipstick they're buying mascaras
04:20:48
Deait's like you're 12 when I was 12 I was playing in dirt and riding on quads like you know it's it's very scary to see the younger generation that's growing up with this idea of beauty and we're we're
04:20:59
Deapushing it on to them and I I personally as a marketer feel bad about that so but if you do it for art that's great like that's therapy I understand that Bella I honestly don't think it's that serious
04:21:11
Ananot that serious it's really not that serious I feel like makeup really doesn't have anything to do with anyone's confidence just like you said it's an art it is soothing it takes time
04:21:21
Anato learn on top of that um like me personally I'm confident with or without makeup I only put on makeup if I have time like it takes time as well so if I had some makeup wipes would you take
04:21:32
Brian Atlasyour makeup off right now well you know what later on in the show we can do it you down oh I'm fine with that yeah okay perfect we got we got because I'm totally fine without makeup but like you
04:21:42
Brian Atlasbringing like mental health into it I just I don't agree like at all she think I her position is that if you wear
04:21:53
Brian Atlasmakeup you're mentally ill exactly that's what it feels likea Bella I can't tell if you're wearing makeup you got y'all areally that's a good thing I'm
04:22:03
Brian Atlasvery natural you're ill ill looks thank you that's what she said right I didn't say that no more that's not my position all right that's cool why don't we get the men the men's perspective on wait
04:22:15
Brian Atlaswould y'all date going around the table would you guys date a dude who who wore makeup Michaela would you like he put on a little blush a little
04:22:28
Brian Atlasmascara yeah why not you really okay yeah yeah and he curls his you wouldn't be a little turned off if he's like
04:22:38
Brian Atlascurling his eyelashes whatever probably The Umbrellas a little but like um there's like in the Korean culture there's like makeup that's made
04:22:50
Brian Atlasfor men and they do like you know is that your preference though for a guy to wear makeup I don't really mind you you don't mind okay no yeah all right I don't mind
04:23:02
Brian Atlaseither you don't mind you don't mind Bella as long as it's not excessive what if he wears as much as you do yeah I'm not saying you're excessive I'm not saying that but what
04:23:12
Brian Atlasif it's as much as you wear so he's got fake lashes no no but equality he wants his eyes to pop yeah but I feel like that's Bella he wants his eyes to pop I
04:23:23
Brian Atlasfeel like that's too feminine for me how dare you say that wow okay uh what about you Shelby um no but can I say something
04:23:33
Shelby Claytonelse sure I think what's worse than makeup is like plastic surgery and like all the fillers and stuff because then
04:23:42
Shelby Claytonit get gives even more of like a fake facade for what the standard should be anybody here have any plastic surgery fake
04:23:52
Brian Atlastitties what do you have you got fake you have fake boobs yeah okay uh BBL anybody she said BBL no BBL Bo lip filler you have boob job lip filler no
04:24:04
Brian Atlaslip filler anybody wait do hey Brian is there anybody on here that you think cuz you told me that you are able to determine the fake titty Vision yeah well and the
04:24:17
Andrew Wilsonthe fake lip the lip filler the lip filler I'd have to see their their side their profile the problem is hang on hang on hang on hang on there's a there's a logical issue here with this
04:24:27
Andrew Wilsonquestion towards Brian it is my belief that perhaps Brian could not fully determine this without himself seeing them which and of course
04:24:37
Andrew Wilsonit would be unts for him to make such demands the fact that you are as a Christian you should be ashamed of that Brian shameful absolutely should not in any way indulge in your sick of fantic
04:24:50
Andrew Wilsonand disgusting fantasies the lips because hey you're asking him you're asking him with zero input and information without the proper requisite information that anybody would need is a
04:25:02
Brian Atlasvisual aid to make this assessment you're out of bounds my so bad I am so sorry but I was referring to the list rebuked you just got rebuked by Andrew um
04:25:14
Brian Atlasnice so uh yeah we have uh moving on uh let's see here we have actually wait let me just double check now we're all good uh Michaela moving to Michaela hot take
04:25:26
Brian Atlasyou say you have to know a guy for for like over a month be just your words uh be going on dates consistently before you'll even consider kissing him a month
04:25:38
Michaela Quanyeah I mean it's not like it's not like a strict thing but I feel like I don't like I typically don't even feel like kissing a guy if
04:25:49
Brian Atlasioss don't know him that is I like to postpone the kiss as long as possible even if like I I just want to post we
04:25:57
Brian Atlasshould have sex before even kissing that's my position right yeah Brian I'm you're so right um but okay you need to
04:26:08
Brian Atlasbe uh going on dates consistently so what if like third dat he he goes for the kiss do you like Dodge it and give him like the ass out hug you know no I think if it feels right like that's what I'm saying it's not like super strict
04:26:21
Brian Atlasthing like if it feels right I'm going to do it but I just like typically don't feel like if I don't have you ever had sex with someone before you've kissed them no okay feel like I had to ask that
04:26:32
Brian Atlasquestion um actually I guess kind of related to this um how about bringing a little further though when it comes to sex like how long do you I don't I don't even know the best way
04:26:44
Brian Atlasto phrase this like how long do you wait this is for the whole panel we'll go around the table uh before like one date two date three date whatever if it feels right I don't know before having
04:26:55
Michaela Quansex Michaela go ahead yeah probably just if it feels right like whenever I'm comfortable enough has it ever felt
04:27:03
Brian Atlasright 30 minutes after meeting a dude no not for me good talk okay uh Bella what about you yeah when it feels
04:27:14
Bellaright it's like an hour it's typically after like maybe like 10 days Bella come on Breo 10 Dates is that you're waiting
04:27:23
Bella10 Dates 10 Dates isn't a lot oh I usually hang out with you usually hang out with what like with the other P person pretty often so it goes by pretty
04:27:35
Brian Atlasfast but that's a lot of money that's a lot of cost per nut on that one hold on I a little degenerate 10 whole dates $100
04:27:47
Brian AtlasChristian you say that he not very Christian CPN the ROI or what damn 10 Dates is that a
04:27:57
Brian Atlaslot no no you should be chased in fact you should wait till marriage some people wait like months and like years yeah I think I know genuinely I wait my whole life yeah but some people wait
04:28:09
Brian Atlaslike five minutes so it's like I could just say that all right uh how long for you uh I'd say like when it feels right on average probably about like at least
04:28:19
Shelby Claytonafter the third date okay what about you until I'm in a very committed relationship that could potential all right potential to be marriage uhhuh
04:28:30
Anawhat about you um I'd say three dates too if it feels right but try to go for three dates all right lucky number three okay I think in the past
04:28:40
Myinum you know I maybe just a few dates but now I I'm kind of waiting for the right
04:28:49
Andrew Wilsonguy uhoh okay Brian Brian should tell you his okay I'm just I'm just going to watch I'm just going to okay what what is no Andrew what is
04:29:00
Andrew Wilsonit so Brian has he has an irrefutable argument um it upsets me greatly I argue with him all the time and I end up losing on this argument every single
04:29:11
Andrew Wilsontime so here's the argument the argument just goes simply like this if you were promiscuous before you got to the man that you really liked but you were not
04:29:23
Andrew Wilsongoing to sleep with that man right because you now want to wait wouldn't that man feel
04:29:33
Andrew Wilsonjipped he might but I think it well at least for me it'll feel the intention is different I agree yeah nobody no dispute there
04:29:45
Andrew Wilsonthat the intention is different yeah I'm just looking let's just look at it from the man's perspective so let's say and this of course this would never happen because I'm not really a 10 but that's really funny to say but let's just
04:29:56
Andrew Wilsonassume for a second that you and I were dating right hypothetically of course and um we sat down and we're having dinner and we're having a great time you
04:30:08
Andrew Wilsonknow and we have a few drinks and we get into it and you're like look you know I really like you I do have a bit of a sorted past you know I've uh I've slept with let's say 10 guys or 15 guys and
04:30:20
Andrew Wilsonsome of them even on the first date I've done this even on the first date but with you I really like you right and I want to wait so that this is like
04:30:31
Andrew Wilsonmeaningful from my perspective wouldn't I be like what the [ __ ] like you you [ __ ] all these guys like what where's my you know what I mean wouldn't would from the guys perspective how do you
04:30:43
Myinthink that would make them feel yeah I understand that I could see how a guy could you know kind of be maybe upset about it or like feel like jipped
04:30:55
Andrew Wilson[Music] um uh that everybody else Sor was able to be like hey I on the first night I slept with that guy but that was a mistake but you
04:31:08
MyinI really like you so I'm going to make you wait doesn't that just sound backwards it it it can but then you know I'd probably tell him that because he's so
04:31:20
Andrew Wilsonspecial yes and now we get to the heart of the argument so you thought that the first part was the argument but it wasn't it was just a leadup to the argument so here's where Brian comes in
04:31:30
Andrew Wilsonwith the kill shot annoys me to no in oh okay here's the K here's the kill shot the argument what Brian says well then you're faking virtue because it was not for you
04:31:42
Andrew Wilsonvirtuous to not sleep with the men before me it's only because you really like me and you think my preference is that I want a woman who is virtuous and
04:31:53
Andrew Wilsonso even though you want to sleep with me you will not because that's my preference so you're actually faking
04:32:01
Myinvirtue well I would probably put it on myself I I'd probably say it's because I was immature and I think for in my life
04:32:12
Andrew WilsonI know exactly what I want sure but from the guy's perspective right again from let's say Brian's perspective he thinks but if you're making me wait and you say
04:32:24
Andrew Wilsonyou're doing it for me it's because you must think that I have the preference that I don't want to be with a promiscuous woman and if you were promiscuous with all the men before me
04:32:34
Andrew Wilsonthen you must be faking being virtuous because you think that's what I want
04:32:42
Meccaum I don't know what to say can I add something cuz I actually like relat to this a lot so um with my kid's dad um I had met him but like the first like
04:32:52
Meccamonth or so like we didn't have sex or anything so that for me it was because like most guys usually like they just like want to like hit it and quit it you know so like the the fact that he also
04:33:04
Meccawas like understanding of like oh you know like we both actually like cared about each other like see something in each other to wait like I don't feel like every guy is gonna be like oh well why are you gonna [ __ ] him but not me
04:33:16
Meccalet me ask you a question yeah let's say you [ __ ] him on the first night right how would that have changed your relationship Dynamic um he probably would have just went on to the next girl
04:33:25
Andrew Wilsonand right so then so then the virtue here was self-serving you didn't sleep with him because you thought if you did he'd move on to the next girl not
04:33:36
Andrew Wilsonbecause you have an objection to sleeping with him that's exactly what faking virtue is that's the heart of Brian's argument which is why it's so
04:33:46
Andrew Wilsonfrustrating to me because I've been pondering for one straight year this literally plagues me at night I cannot refuse this argument it bothers me to no
04:33:57
Andrew Wilsonend but what you just demonstrated was the perfect example of Faking virtue yeah I will not have sex with you because I'm afraid that if I do it'll give you the wrong idea about me and
04:34:09
Andrew Wilsonthen you'll move on to the next girl about the idea that means then that you would sleep with him if you thought he would stay with you so what about cuz I know like we're both like talking hang
04:34:21
Andrew Wilsoncan answer to this question if you knew for sure that he would have stayed with you if you had slept with him night one wouldn't you have um probably not cuz I usually don't just hook up with a guy like the first night okay night I like
04:34:33
Meccalike like night three um no cuz he lived like really far so we saw each like if he didn't live really
04:34:44
Andrew Wilsonfar um maybe but yeah maybe so you were faking virtue so what you were doing if you were making him wait because you wanted him to think you weren't that kind of girl that way he would stick
04:34:57
Andrew Wilsonaround met me at a strip clat so he probably already thought I was that and he was probably already expecting to get something out me look every circumstance is different in this case I'll even Grant in the circumstance is different
04:35:07
Andrew Wilsonbut even then your entire mindset behind this was was I didn't sleep with him immediately cuz he would think something bad about me and move on to the next
04:35:17
Andrew Wilsongirl so I made him wait it was not though that you objected to him and you wanted him to wait because of virtue it was because you thought it was a good
04:35:27
Andrew Wilsonway to net him and so then we get into the that's what faking virtue is and um every single time this is played out it always plays out the same way and it
04:35:38
Andrew Wilsonpisses me off and I want to like choke Brian all the time I want to literally strangle him because I don't know how to refute that argument because you are faking virtue you're not doing it for him you're doing it for you right to
04:35:49
Meccakeep him well I kind of did it more for me cuz I just I I I wanted it to go further you know so like I didn't want to just give it to him and you know who knows
04:36:02
Meccawhere it would have went I I wanted to like wait and see where it actually go and then like if it doesn't if I see it's not going to go anywhere I'm either not going to do it we're not going to have sex or we could just do it move on like if that's all I agree I I totally I
04:36:14
Andrew Wilsontotally understand exactly what you're saying you're not doing it though because you think in your head it's virtuous to stay Pier it's virtuous to be chased you're doing it because you
04:36:26
Andrew Wilsonthink it'll well I didn't think that cuz I was a stripper so I'm like he probably already think I'm like a wh so yeah right you you're doing it because you think it'll keep the guy that's what faking virtue is it's like I'm not easy I'm not like this but you're like this
04:36:38
Andrew Wilsonwith 10 other guys or five other guys or two guys or whatever but I'm not going to be like this with you you know what I mean I'm actually virtuous to keep him
04:36:48
Andrew Wilsoninterested that is what faking virtue is and so uh this argument i' I've had trouble refuting when Brian says well shouldn't I feel jipped because they're
04:36:58
Myinjust faking virtue how the [ __ ] is he wrong okay I have a thought on that so okay um and I I'll weigh in too go ahead
04:37:08
MyinI think generally if you sleep with anyone male or female I think there's some kind of emotional connection and if you sleep with them early on you don't maybe you don't get a chance to actually
04:37:21
Myinget to know them to decide whether you do like them or not so that's that's my
04:37:30
Brian Atlasreason uh okay I mean but you've already you made that decision later in your life because earlier in your life you were more at
04:37:41
Brian Atlasleast in this situation the woman was more she threw it out more often so she came to this conclusion later the guy would say oh well that's that's funny that you come to that conclusion later
04:37:52
Brian Atlasbut with all those other guys in your past you weren't so chased you know yeah well and I think that's why I've always not always but I've been in so many
04:38:03
Myinrelationships that lasted so long um and it's probably because I no I I didn't wait that long and I think if I would have waited I probably wouldn't have
04:38:14
Brian Atlasended up being with some of these guys so I it's like a hard lesson that I learned perhaps uh I do want to come back to it but really quick because we were going around the table on this how
04:38:23
Brian Atlaslong do you think you should wait before hooking up um quick answers guys at least a month I don't believe in hooking up okay til your mic down a little bit
04:38:33
Samsongo ahead what about you if this is about dating um there is no time you will know uh don't think about it live your life and breathe and love yeah so right away
04:38:45
Brian Atlasis that um it would never be right away never like same night I'm very have have you ever like met a guy and then like within 24 hours no 48 hours no 72 hours
04:38:57
Brian Atlasno a fortnite you know one time there was that one guy okay that right role place near but I guess my confusion with this whole thing
04:39:07
Brian Atlasis Andrew has most of it down when it comes to the faking virtue thing but there does seem to be this uh there there's another component here where it's kind of like there's game playing
04:39:19
Brian Atlasand then this sort of like what's going on here kind of unfair treatment like I'm sure a lot of you guys just to I'll give you a scenario where perhaps you can comprehend because this is a
04:39:30
Brian Atlasfrustration that men experience that I don't think women can really understand or put themselves in men shoes on this so let me here's the example imagine a
04:39:40
Brian Atlasguy who he introduced his friends and family to you spent quality long romantic dates with you revealed his emotional
04:39:49
Brian Atlasside with you but he just wanted to smash but with girls he saw long-term potential in he booty called them at night left straight away because he didn't want to get
04:40:04
Brian Atlashurt like so he's what what I'm getting out with that example is he's essentially rewarding the
04:40:14
Brian Atlaswoman get to meet the family friends spend these long romantic dates he's putting in all this effort with the woman he's just trying
04:40:23
Brian Atlasto smash and have sex with but the girl he sees long-term potential in she gets the worst treatment and so it's interesting to me like okay you really
04:40:36
Brian Atlaslike the guy this guy is so great but you're that's the guy oh he's got to wait a month two months three five 10 dates but the guy who's a
04:40:46
Brian Atlasjerk [ __ ] [ __ ] boy who you have had short-term encounters with he gets to hit right away so the jerk the guy who was a jerk the guy who was an [ __ ] to you he hit right away and I'm a I'm the
04:40:58
Brian Atlasgood guy I'm the guy you actually want a long-term relationship with and you want you want to wait oh okay you're not attracted to me or what what's the situation then but that's like that's
04:41:11
Ebonyexactly the problem and that's what's contributing to hook culture though what do you mean what's the problem like you guys automatically assuming that just because a woman's not sleeping with you on the first date that she's not attracted to you but I would just say like that's not what I'm saying I'm
04:41:23
Ebonysaying that like that could be a thought process for a lot of guys right which is why women are sleeping with men on the first date now because if not then the man would just leave so I think I think the The Jerk
04:41:36
Ebonythat you're talking about like the ideal man like the F boy like he gets it on the first night because the woman think that that will keep keep him around like to be honest but they clearly don't think that because with the guy that they want to keep around
04:41:48
Ebonythey decide to hold off on it aren't we supposed to bow down and Obey manine I think that's after learning their lesson with in a bit but like be honest that's just the game you can't
04:42:01
Brian Atlashate you can't hate the player just that's just the game no but you understand how like from the guy perspective it's really confusing like that's if you look at it logically but
04:42:10
Brian Atlasif you look at it logically right like isn't the guy who you who you like are viewing like oh this guy could be like long-term relationship