Brian Made Her PUKE?! Reformed HØE?! Woke Girl Came To DESTROY Brian In A DEBATE?! | Dating Talk 277

Date: 2026-01-12

Duration: 10h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCourtney King >

JJamie Ericson >

AAlisa Tresenov >

TTabitha Chang >

KKatie (Model)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Courtney King / Jamie / Ava(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alisa Tresenov(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lada(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Katie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Tabitha Chang(guest)

SPEAKER_13Annie (HR)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Levi(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentBrian's 7-point argument for not performing oral sex

ControversyFirst ever vomiting incident on the Whatever Podcast

Key MomentAva: drunk on Jose Cuervo, stabbed herself, beat up 3 people, jail

QuoteLada demands $10M/year minimum husband income

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including Levi (male), Lada (18yo Russian rapper).

Jamie Relationship

Met boyfriend at 11, 3 kids, cheating history.

WoW Dating Analogy

Brian's World of Warcraft meta analogy for dating strategy.

Brian's Oral Sex 7 Arguments

Extended 7-point argument for not performing oral sex.

Vomiting Incident

First vomiting incident in show history.

Ava Stabbing/Jail

Stabbed herself drunk, beat up 3 people, jail.

Body Count Round

Range from 3 to 55+.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasassimilate to our culture. Sometimes there's a shared language, English. Um, and in fact, many European countries, many of them do speak English. You look at Scandinavia, you look at the

Brian AtlasNetherlands, uh, they they're basically fluent in English, whereas you have like a Mexican immigrant who comes here, sometimes they stay here and they they've been here for 30 years and they still don't know how to speak English.

Brian AtlasSo, uh, yeah, I guess um I probably would be more in favor of allowing for like legal immigration. Well, I guess even if it's like we're granting there's going to be some level of illegal

Brian Atlasimmigration. I guess I'd be more in favor of illegal im I'm not in favor of illegal immigration, but I suppose the illegal immigration would be better if it did happen from what uh European countries.

Lada>> All right. So, how do you feel about like people like me, like immigrants from Russia or Ukraine? >> What uh what do you mean?

Brian Atlas>> Like are they in favor? like are you good with them being in the country? How do you feel about them? >> Uh well, I mean there's there's a couple there's a bit of nuance to this because

Brian Atlascurrently the United States is uh in terms of nations were in conflict with Russia. So the they're >> I mean

Brian Atlas>> that's another kind of why people are leaving. >> But overall I think um what do I think about legal Russian immigrants? I'm uh I suppose I'm fine with that. Yeah.

Brian AtlasAlthough, truth be told, I'm really not a big fan of immigration, period. >> Whether it's legal or uh illegal, legal or illegal.

Brian Atlas>> Uh I think we should probably limit it quite a bit. Um so yeah. >> So you don't want to take it away all >> if you're going to come here and you're going to assimilate and you're bringing

Brian Atlasvalue to the United States and you're not going to be on welfare. [ __ ] yuck, you can come to the United States. But a lot of these immigrants, even from some European countries, right, a lot of them

Brian Atlasend up on welfare. A lot of them end up uh needing government assistance. And I find I think that that's a net negative to the United States. >> Honestly, there I can agree because I

Ladalike I came to this country to build myself as an artist to be like to perform to create something music and

Ladadancing. I I think like if a person has an initial goal they want to pursue here and they can pursue it here rather than

Brian Atlasthere. That's like an awesome like [ __ ] yeah like move here. Do your thing. >> I mean I I don't really honestly I say [ __ ] that. I don't I don't give a [ __ ] about

Brian AtlasNo offense to you like congratulations for your per uh performance art or whatever. Um, I'm fine with bringing over Russian

Brian Atlasscientists, Russian physicists, Russian engineers, highly intelligent people that are going to uh, you know, the creative. I don't I don't really give a [ __ ] about importing artists. I don't

Brian Atlascare. If you're if you're going to actually How about or you know, if you're a Russian cancer researcher, [ __ ] yeah. Come here. You're a [ __ ] singer. No

Brian Atlasoffense to you. don't give a [ __ ] That shouldn't be justification to grant you citizenship. >> Uh to >> now that's not why you were granted citizenship, but like yeah, I don't n

Alisa Tresenov>> my father studied to be an engineer in the Soviet Union, but when he came to the US, he couldn't necessarily get a job as an engineer here because they

Alisa Tresenovdidn't uh recognize his education. >> Yeah, that he unfortunately did not. He now has a a very good job that he worked

Alisa Tresenovhis ass off for, but it's not an engineering job. So, when it came to my brother and me, my brother is now actually working as an engineer. He got

Alisa Tresenovhis education as an engineer, got his job as an engineer, but and I'm not saying immigrants should stay on welfare through and through. you know, you come here, you have some doctors do come here

Ladaand unfortunately cannot get the job that they studied their whole life for. And there's there's a difference in in that. >> That's honestly true. I I saw that like

Alisa TresenovI witnessed that actually happen a couple times. My my sister-in-law's uh cousin is uh I don't remember what exactly in the medical field she does,

Brian Atlasbut she was a very good doctor and she had and she unfortunately could not work as one in the US. >> Well, I there's different accreditation processes. I'm not really super familiar

Brian Atlaswith that. I mean, I would also just amend my statement here. Uh, while I did say I'm in favor of, you know, let's say you're some superstar physicist, engineer, you're in STEM in a foreign

Brian Atlascountry, I I would love to bring uh people's intelligence to the United States so long as it doesn't misplace

Brian Atlasuh American citizens who are also in these fields. So if we had you know if we have a limited amount of jobs in physi uh I'm trying to think of well

Brian Atlasphysics engineering uh engineer uh what are I don't know what are some of the other other examples uh if it's not displacing American citizens

Brian Atlasuh by bringing them in and it's just bolstering our our base of uh our our abil I don't know, I don't know the right phrasing, but uh then yeah,

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaI'm fine with it. >> I think that people shouldn't immigrate to America unless they're willing to serve in the military. And I think if they come here, they should serve in the military personally. >> Not that I I don't disagree with that.

Alisa TresenovUm but what about agewise, depending on when you come to the country, you know, is there an age limit to what you just said? >> No, I don't think that people should immigrate to America if you're not from here.

Alisa Tresenov>> That wasn't what you said. you were talking about um army like if you move to the US then you should join you know I'm just asking my specific question is agewise

Alisa Tresenovlike do you have an age limit to when >> so like if your parents immigrated here with you is that your point >> no I was simply asking who your question

Alisa Tresenovlike if you immigrate and you're let's say in your 40s should you still go into the army 50s60s >> I don't think I would agree with that happen. >> I don't think so.

Brian Atlas>> I I don't think uh well, I also I don't know if I I don't know if I would be in favor of like have uh France has something called

Brian Atlasthe French Foreign Legion where you can basically you can come from anywhere and if you agree to serve in the French Foreign Legion. Uh you can that will be

Brian Atlasyour pathway to becoming a French citizen. Uh I don't really like that. I don't think I like that for the United States. I think we've taken in a lot of

Brian Atlaspeople. I think we got to keep I don't know. We got enough problems as is. Let's just keep America America for a little bit.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Fix some of our problems. Then we can maybe revisit uh allowing all these uh other people to come here. Well, that's my whole point is I'm not for immigration by any means

Courtney King / Jamie / Avawhatsoever. And it's the whole problem with America to this day. I think that if you want to come to this country, then you should be willing to fight for it rather than come to this country, live here, and oppose it.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But I wouldn't be open like I don't think that there should be some >> uh United States military program that's like, "Hey, come join this military

Brian Atlasgroup and we'll give you citizenship." I don't know if I like that. Uh I think we can call upon our existing

Brian Atlascitizenry to provide uh the defense of the United States. I don't think we need foreigners to do that. >> Okay. Honestly, one more thing.

Lada>> There is a difference between immigration. I mean immigrants and migrants. So like immigrate and completely like migrate. Does someone know the difference between those? >> Between what?

Lada>> Immigration and migration because I'm pretty sure that immigration is when a person comes to a country for a couple years just maybe like escaping

Ladaa war or pursuing something for like school and then they go back. But migration is when they move and they're willing to live the rest of their life

Ladain that other country. And that's a very big difference. [clears throat] >> Okay. Is there a point? >> There is a point because

Ladaall of the stuff with the war with the skills being like scientists, doctors, some people who are immigrants, they didn't want to end up here. They were just escaping a war.

Annie (HR)What? >> I think you're talking about asylum seekers, not immigrants >> or refugees fleeing persecution. >> Maybe. >> Is that what you mean?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I don't >> So there's no war in Canada. There's no war in Mexico. >> Those are the only two countries that border the United States.

Brian AtlasThere's no re Why the [ __ ] are Somalians coming here? That's a [ __ ] another continent. We're Indians.

Brian Atlas>> They're they're economic they're economic migrants. And I I just asylum asylum seeker to the United States from

Brian Atlaswhere? Canada's not doing some stupid [ __ ] You could argue there's some conflict in Mexico, but nothing that would warrant a Mexican to seek asylum.

Brian AtlasM >> and the the international rules as it relates to asylum seeking, you don't you have to stop at the first country that'll take you. So there's plenty of countries in Latin America. Well, I mean, Mexico would be the clear choice

Brian Atlashere. You have all these people coming from South America. They need to stop in Mexico if they're actually seeking asylum or perhaps even some uh prior country. I don't know exactly the

Brian Atlasspecific details. I don't know if it'd be Costa Rica. I don't know if it'd be Panama. I'm not entirely sure. Maybe if you're I I don't I'm not super familiar with the exact uh thing here, but I

Brian Atlasdon't know who comes to the United States. How How are you coming to the US for asylum? >> I would say that's What about people from Ukraine? >> That's not related to

Lada>> I mean, you can go west into Europe. >> Some countries aren't that welcome to people coming there. Uh >> why should America be if all other

Brian Atlascountries aren't >> so where would they go for instance? It's not our problem. >> I I mean I don't know. Why can't we help

Brian Atlasthe I I would actually be in favor of helping these countries develop? >> Don't you think we've poured enough money into other countries though? like

Brian Atlaswhy not actually help our own country that's billions of dollars in debt because of other countries? >> Well, sure. I mean, look, if if the tradeoff though, if the tradeoff is through,

Brian Atlasyou know, helping these countries build up their infrastructure or whatever, and perhaps we can even get a return on investment. um that would limit uh immigration which

Brian Atlashas an economic cost to the United States taxpayer. If um if the economic trade-off makes sense, then I' why not do it? Like if we can

Brian Atlasinvest in this c if we can spend a million dollars in some Latin American country and develop it to the point that X amount of people would be less likely

Brian Atlasto immigrate, illegally immigrate to the United States and through their if they would have otherwise illegally immigrated, this would cost us 5 million. I think that the trade-off is clear.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I mean, sure, we've done it before, like helping with the liberation of France, and there didn't turn out to be complete degenerates, but we've tried with other

Courtney King / Jamie / Avacountries, like the Middle East, and I mean, it has blown up in our face time after time. I mean, we've pulled out of that country what, four times now? >> Afghanistan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There wasn't really like

Brian AtlasAfghanistan, people from Afghanistan did not really have a a a great pathway to illegally immigrating to the United States. I agree with you that the intervention the United States

Brian Atlasintervention in much of the Middle East was a complete uh failure militarily and economically and had a massive has created massive burden on the taxpayer.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaBut uh I don't know if that's really related to immigration necessarily. Well, most of the immigration here are becoming Middle Eastern. So, I would argue that it is.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I don't know if that's because of US intervention in the Middle East. Although I >> No, I don't think it is. But I'm like my point is you guys are talking about how

Courtney King / Jamie / Avawe shouldn't be or we should be like helping countries become, you know, democracies or whatever. And we've tried

Brian Atlasthat and it failed. the US military intervention in Afghanistan. Um I that's I think that's a little different than what I'm talking about here. [snorts] I

Brian Atlasthink if um even corporations want to go into these countries and and they want to get a return on investment or something they think it would be beneficial or even if it's the you know the United States government is giving

Brian Atlasguidance why not uh and if we think it's going to have some uh downstream positive effect uh for the United States either through a diminishing of

Brian Atlasimmigration or perhaps economic benefit then I I think I'm fine with it. I don't think we should be necessarily doing [ __ ] regime change [ __ ]

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Okay. So, you're not you're not you're not talking about like governmental aid. You're talking about like just strictly economic like infrastructure like if we were to bring Micron to like Europe. Is that what you mean? Like investing in

Brian Atlasthe country in that way? Look, if we can have a I I don't know the precise specifics, but a lot of these [ __ ] countries don't know how to like run proper infrastructure. How can we get them up to speed so they can be self-

Brian Atlassustaining and they can have a quality of life for their citizenry that is uh good? So, yeah, I think it's okay to help out other nations uh you know,

Brian Atlasincrease their development index or whatever. Um, if we come I I think that's totally fine. I don't think we should be like having [ __ ] wars in these countries and like spending a ton

Brian Atlasof money, but I think that there are government programs that can bolster uh if we do want to see, for example, a decrease in immigration from these countries. Uh maybe there's things that

Brian Atlaswe can do to put in place so that these countries can develop. Uh and I think one of the ways you can do that is through assistance with infrastructure and making these countries like good

Brian Atlasplaces to live. That way people don't want to leave these countries. They want to stay in their countries. >> How do we do that though?

Brian Atlas>> I don't want to. You're getting into the weeds here. I don't [ __ ] care and I honestly don't know. I'm not interested in having that. Like is that really what you want to talk

Brian Atlasabout? >> I wanted I wanted this to be a general that this thought right here is a very general conversation. You want to get into like how we can better the

Courtney King / Jamie / Avainfrastructure in Peru. I don't what >> No, my point is just saying like how are we supposed to do that other than influencing these countries? That's why I'm saying we shouldn't get involved

Courtney King / Jamie / Avabecause we are already a great influence and if they can't like follow then what's the point? >> Uh what do you mean?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Like if we're we're the lead country in in the entire world, right? Like economically, if we're leading by influence and other countries can't follow and see what

Courtney King / Jamie / Avawe're doing and say, "Oh, they're doing so great. Why don't we try to establish this in our own country or like in our own country? Then how are we supposed to force them to do that if they can't just follow

Brian Atlas>> anything about forcing them to do that? But you can you can guide people. You can give them uh you know steps for how to set up their infrastructure and so

Ladaforth. >> You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. >> True. I think he's talking about the general preference of us as a country

Ladabeing able to help and because we're able to help we can but at the same time we don't really owe anything to other countries. I don't know. So it is a preference.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Okay, pull that up. Mary, uh can I have you read the super chat? I think a duty is any task that even though an individual may morally and or ethically disagree with doing, they are

Courtney King / Jamie / Avastill obligated to perform to the best of their ability. I think an example for men would be the selective service. What example of that do you women have? >> Yeah. So, this goes back to our

Brian Atlasconversation about we're talking about duties. We're talking about voting and I think men have duties. I don't think women have duties. And so this puts

Brian Atlaswomen in a privileged position in society and ultimately uh women have a right uh basically granted to them

Brian Atlascompletely for free and then men have a men have a voting right but it comes with strings attached. So do women have any duties?

Annie (HR)>> Yeah. not like lawful ones like you said you can't force women to get pregnant but like I said earlier there is a duty to have a family I know like there are certain medical conditions which is why

Annie (HR)I'm all for adoption I'm all for fostering but I think in general family like making that is a duty for you know for women I agree with that I mean

Tabitha Changthat's what I do I raise my kids I watch them my husband provides everything else my job is to serve him and be there for him do everything that I can to make his life easier to provide for us.

Levi>> And I think a lot of men would definitely expect their wives or their girlfriends to provide. I mean, they cook, they clean, they are going to child rear, take care of them. I mean, I

Brian Atlaswould essentially argue that that would be in line with what they're talking about. >> Well, almost bringing it back to the conversation of voluntary versus involuntary.

Brian AtlasUh so all these things you guys are describing is voluntary. A woman can go through life in the United States and the government wouldn't force her to get married. The

Brian Atlasgovernment can't force her to have children. Uh you might argue that there's social pressure although I really I think it seems even in the opposite direction uh today. Meanwhile,

Brian Atlasthe United States government can call upon uh US male uh US citizen males uh and force them uh into the military if

Brian Atlasthey wanted to. So, I think men have a duty to this country in order to be able to vote. Men have a duty. Uh men have to register with selective service. If they don't, there's all kinds of

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaconsequences. Uh there's no corresponding like equivalent thing for women. There isn't there really isn't anything women have except I mean there's

Courtney King / Jamie / Avasomething both men and women need to do and that's jury duty but that's like nothing men go to war they get drafted women

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaeverything else is something that we ultimately have a choice on like morally we have a choice if we want to have children for a man we have a choice if we want to cook for a man if we want to

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaclean for a Man, I can agree with that. >> So,

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> so are we I don't know. I do. We agree. Women don't have duties. >> I agree that I agree that we don't have I agree that we don't have lawful legal duties. >> Yeah.

Katie>> You your thoughts? >> Yeah. I mean, I agree we don't have lawful duties. Um >> but men do. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, are women in a privileged position? >> Absolutely.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaIn certain ways, we do have privileges over than men, but in certain ways, men have more privileges than us. Like what? >> Like being able to walk down the street at 12:00 at night and not feel like they're going to get raped or murdered or

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Yes. Exactly. You're putting your feelings about men like you're fear you're putting it on. >> Well, actually, yes. No, that I can say I do disagree with that because there

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaare men can just as much get raped as a woman can. can be scared walking alone at night. >> It all just depends on how a man feels. >> Two two things on your point. Um so I

Brian Atlasthink uh men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. >> Uh so maybe even if it is the case that women feel more fear, the actual

Brian Atlasstatistics show that men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. Also, this idea that men are just like completely oblivious to potential

Brian Atlasthreats if they're walking in a, you know, down the street late at night. Uh, I I don't actually believe that. I

Brian Atlasmyself have to take precautions as a man. Uh, if you're walking in an area, uh, there's not much one man can do

Brian Atlasagainst two men, against three men, against four men. Uh so this idea also there are men even if it's one man if there are men who are stronger than other men. So if that man's stronger

Brian Atlasthan me or he has a weapon or whatever it is um doesn't really change anything but men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. And then I think the other thing though uh assuming you're

Brian Atlaswalking in let's say a public area um perhaps there might be like if it's totally barren and there's just no people around. I actually think women are afforded quite a bit of privilege and protection if they're walking in a

Brian Atlaspublic area alone versus a man who's walking in the public area alone. The way I know this is because uh while this isn't univer this isn't necessarily

Brian Atlasalways the case, I think as a woman, if you're walking and say it's a kind of a crowded area here in the United States and like some random guy comes up to you

Brian Atlasand starts like beating you up and there's other men around who don't know that guy and don't know you, there are definitely men who will intervene on your behalf who don't know you, who

Brian Atlasdon't owe you thing who will protect you, who will step in, who will white knife for you. If I'm walking down the street completely alone, I don't know any of these other people in the street, and some random guy starts whooping on

Brian Atlasme and beating me up, there's no men, no men are going to intervene on my behalf as some sort of virtuous there. There's far less likely

Brian Atlassome some virtuous man is going to save me. No, I'm going to get my ass whooped and that's going to be it. So you women, you have male bodyguards by proxy. You

Brian Atlashave male bodyguards when if you're out in public who don't know you and men will see like I don't know does I don't know if

Brian Atlassomebody disagrees with me on this but it is this is a phenomenon that exists. If uh if a group of men sees a woman

Brian Atlasgetting attacked by like one dude, you can look at a lot of these videos like the men are instantly going to like these men are like, "Whoa, that girl's getting beat up. What the [ __ ] You never hit a woman." Boom, boom, boom.

Brian AtlasAnd then that guy's going to get he might get [ __ ] killed. He's going to get curb stomped. He's going to get kicked in the skull when he's [ __ ] knocked out. Mhm. >> And look, if he if a random man attacks a woman or a man, I think randomly, I

Brian Atlasthink you probably should get [ __ ] kicked in the head a few times. But I do think this is a privilege that women have. So you actually when you

Brian Atlaswomen are walking alone in public, >> I think you're protected.

Katie>> Does that I don't know if you guys agree. Do you disagree? >> Do you disagree? Like >> I agree with that. I >> I actually genuinely feel relatively safe in public in in

Katiedaylight. If I'm walking alone, I think it's I think just like any man. Actually, a friend of mine was walking alone. He was in Cape Town and he got um pepper- sprrayed in his mouth and the side of his head and they tried to steal

Katiehis phone. I think the only difference there is like he being a man of strength and not like intoxicated of any sort, um he was able to fight them off. Um, and I think the difference here would be like

Katiea woman may be less likely to fight them off if she's not trained in something or go to the gym or whatever. So, I think that's the only difference in privilege

Katieuh between man and woman or the obvious that we see. >> Um, a woman typically doesn't >> or isn't able to hold as much power in like a boardroom or in position of

Katiepower. They're typically not as respected. Um, and I think, okay, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, uh, you can look it up. I'm not sure. I haven't looked at the stats on it, but

Katiein, uh, like medical doctors, men typically get paid more than women even still. >> That's because men go into in the medical field, men go into higher paying disciplines.

LadaHonestly, because we brought all of this up, I don't want to argue with anyone, but what's going around like on social media and what I see pretty often is

Ladathat women argue that having a period every month is like a downgrade. Like we don't have a privilege because we have a period every month. I don't personally

Ladahave an opinion on it, but how do you guys feel about the fact that oh, we are equal because we have our struggle which is having a period every month which men don't. >> Our struggle is a blessing because it allows us to have children.

Annie (HR)>> I think women aren't equal in the workforce for several reason. Firstly, women don't ask for the for raises as much as men. Secondly, women with family planning and such, they're more likely

Katieto take time off compared to men. [snorts] And um yeah, those are the two main points. >> But if you're family planning, then shouldn't you be earning the same amount so that you can also save up to support

Annie (HR)your family or like you and your >> Do you think a company's going to care about that? I think a company's going to care about its profitables, which I think men are more likely to give it. >> You [snorts] may be correct. Um but >> women should be drafted. [laughter] >> No. [ __ ] Maybe we shouldn't be drafted.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava[ __ ] it. >> No, women should should be drafted. Yeah, >> like the strong ones like like Well, I'm strong too, of course. Like everybody's a certain amount of strong, but like the big like >> I would not be able to kill somebody.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, you can have a gun or something. >> Oh, yeah. I would cook. That's fine. >> Yeah, you can cook, I guess. >> Yeah, >> in the military kitchen. >> Slay. >> Yeah. Well, I think look, if women have

Brian Atlashad the right to vote for over a hundred years, the uh women have uh the the 19th amendment was what? >> It was passed in was it 1918?

Brian Atlas>> 1919. >> 1918 and then ratified in 1920. I don't know. I always get confused with like, well, it was passed, but then it was ratified. They got the right to vote in

Brian Atlas1920. And uh women have had over Huh. >> It was ratified. ratified in 19 when did it pass? Was it before then? I don't it doesn't really matter. It was ratified

Brian Atlasin 1920. Uh women have had the right to vote for over a hundred years. But in order for men to vote, they had to be subject to military conscription. Women still after 100 years equality, boss

Brian Atlasbabe, blah blah blah. Still not equal. I think ultimately, look, we got to we got to finally make a decision on this. Either we draft women

Brian Atlasor or look, I I think we gotta draft women. Women, you can keep the votes, but we got to draft you, you know, or in order

Brian Atlasto make things equal. Well, I guess it wouldn't be equal. I guess you got to take away the right to vote. If only men can be drafted, I think you got to take away the right to vote. If

Courtney King / Jamie / Avawe keep it as it is, I'm in favor of women voting, but you got to be drafted. >> I think if you want to be a woman and you want your white your right to vote, you should be drafted. But if you're not

Courtney King / Jamie / Avagoing to vote, if you don't want to get drafted, you shouldn't be able to vote. >> It's the most base thing I've heard you say.

Brian Atlas>> Uh let's see here. Let's get into uh Oh, boy. Um oh, here's a fun segment. Um, I don't know if it's gonna work tonight, but we'll see. Uh, you're the only one who does Only Fans, right? Nobody else here has done sex work or stripping or anything.

Brian Atlas>> No, Only Fans. >> Oh, I did stripping, too. >> Oh, you did stripping, too? >> Um, okay. Well, I'll try it with everybody, but I usually It's more so directed at women who do, but anybody can do it, too. Anybody here have cash

Brian Atlason them? >> You got cash? You got cash? >> You got cash? >> No cash. No cash. >> Wait, on person or like in my wallet? >> Like in your purse back? Not not on you right now, but you have you have cash on

Brian Atlasyou got cash on you cash. >> You got rubles. What do you got? You have any Russian? [laughter] No Russian dollars. You got cash? >> You don't got cash? >> I didn't bring anything with you. >> I All right. So, look, even if you're

Brian Atlasnot a like doing Only Fans or doing any other kind of sex work, I do think even nonsex worker women, you guys have simps. You guys have men who will just send you money. I don't know, maybe you were on a dating app and you were like,

Brian Atlas"Put your Venmo in there." or some I've heard women who I wouldn't categorize this as sex work but women on a dating app this happened I don't know if they allow this anymore but women like long time ago would put like their cash app

Brian Atlasor Venmo in a dating app and be like Venmo me for a surprise or some [ __ ] and a lot of these men would send them cash money even if you're not on a dating app I've heard stories from women

Brian Atlasoh this guy just paid me money for existing I guess so as a novelty as a fun little thing you can say this one

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Brian Atlasgive me your cash? >> Can I have your Can I have your cash here? I'll Oh. >> Oh, >> look. First taker. How much is this? >> Oo. >> This is a donation from both me and my husband cuz we're big fans.

Brian Atlas>> Your husband is also gifting me. Okay. So it's a dual gift. Uh well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you. You are simp number one for tonight. Uh thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Uh will you

Brian Atlas>> I accept VMO, Cash, Abzel, >> PayPal? >> I can't. >> Anybody want you have cash on you? >> What's the point of this? >> The point is is as a fun uno reverse role reversal. One time in your life you

Brian Atlascan be like, "Look, I would never do this, but just cuz for funsies on the whatever podcast, I will simp for a man and just give him cash. I'll just give

Brian Atlashim money." Oh my my Oh, look at that. Uh my Oh, another one. Okay, keep it coming. Oh, [ __ ] Uh I just got 25 from my employee. So, which I guess will be

Brian Atlasreturned to her in a roundabout way, but [laughter] >> um thank you. Uh >> what? >> So, it's like a cuz y'all women get sent over. Men just will give you money. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And this is like just give me money. I think that I've never been sent money one time. >> But do it for not like because you genuinely mean it, but just for the funsies.

Alisa Tresenov>> I used to be friends with a girl who uh I called her simp queen because >> wow. >> It's not that the guys gave her money. It's just they would get her any they

Alisa Tresenovwould drive hours long just to bring her boba or food. They would get her gifts. They would give her this or that and that. She'd just do her cute little voice and giggle and be like, "I don't know. They just they're my friends." And

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaI'm like, "You're a synth queen." >> And she's like, "Don't call me that. I'm not a synth queen." I'm like, "I don't know what to tell." >> So, who wants to give me cash? >> I don't. What value are you providing for the transaction right now?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> The same value that women are providing when they're just getting my >> Yeah, but those weird men are going to go jerk off. >> Okay. For the >> Doesn't matter whether I'm sitting there doing nothing sexual.

Brian Atlas>> It does. It does not have to be a sexual thing. It can just be a tribute >> for what? >> I'm sure that there would be plenty of women that would be willing to give you

Brian Atlascash. Just none at this table. >> Well, besides [laughter] other than you who is married, >> so I got I made a little money tonight. What can I [laughter] say? All right, moving on to the next topic. We're going

Brian Atlasto do um no takers, unfortunately. Unfortunate. Unfortunate, you know. Hey, it is what it is. Uh, Stifler, ask everyone to rate their own looks, face, body total on a scale of 0 to 10. You

Courtney King / Jamie / Avacan't pick seven. Starting with you. >> I think this is messed up because I want to pick seven so bad cuz I genuinely think that, but I wrote 6.5 just to >> sway more towards the lower end because of the beauty

Brian Atlasstandards these days. >> Well, let's do um face body total. >> Oh, like each? >> Yeah. The ranking for each. I think my

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaface I can't say seven for any of them. >> Nope. We'll allow fives though. How about that?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Okay. Um I think my face is

Brian Atlasa 6.5. >> Okay. I think my body is >> think about your answers while she's pondering.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Um, I think I don't know. It's so subjective. I think for myself,

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaI like my body. I would say I can't say seven. Another 6.5. 6.5 total. >> Mhm. [laughter] >> Okay. So, you

Brian Atlas>> honestly? Okay. I'm starting with my face, right? >> Yeah. Face, body total. >> Face, I'll say 100 out of 10. >> 100 out of Can you speak a little louder for us, please?

Lada>> Yeah. I would say my face is 100 out of 10 >> on a scale of 10 out of 10. >> So 10, I guess. Body?

Lada>> My body? Well, I'll say like Okay. 9.9 out of 10 because I missed the gym uh one time this week. Oh, >> if you didn't miss the gym, what would it be? >> It would be 10 out of 10.

Lada>> Okay, [clears throat] so total 10 >> cuz I gota I miss the gym. >> Total 10. My look today. >> Oh, in general, >> I would say. Okay. No, probably. Yeah.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava10 out of 10. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um, face four. Face four, body four, total six. That makes zero [ __ ] sense. But okay.

Brian Atlas>> Um. >> Okay. >> Total looks. >> Total. >> What is the other factor then? Cuz look, I'll do I'll do I'll do two, four, and

Brian Atlassix then. >> I don't like it work like this. The math, right? The total would be inferred from the face and body. So if you said like face four, body six, that would be

Brian Atlaslike five basically. You could you could view it like that. Although it would depend if you value face or body more. And >> so it could vary, but there's I don't think you can go four face, four body,

Courtney King / Jamie / Avasix total. I don't understand how that would work. >> Okay. Well, then I'll do three face, three body, six total. Does

Courtney King / Jamie / Avathat make that even That's even worse. >> Maybe her personality is like a 10 out of 10. >> No, but it's just looks. So total looks. >> Okay. Well, then um the total will just

Brian Atlasultimately be a six. >> Okay. But face for body four. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um I'd like to say

Brian Atlassix for face, eight for body. >> Okay. Six face, eight body, seven total. >> Sure, but I can't say seven. So, eight. [laughter] >> Eight total.

Tabitha Chang>> 7.5. >> All right. What about you? >> I'd say five for face and four for body. So, four and a half total. >> Okay. What about you? >> I'm going to go tens all the way around. Yeah, she has an amazing body actually. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Um, say four everything. >> Four. Four. F4. Yeah. If you guys can just say four face, four body, four total.

LeviUm, I'd probably say my face since we can't say seven, like 7.5. Um, >> we'll do this. Do

Levido eight or 6.5? >> Uh, okay. I'll say eight for my face and nine for my body because of my back problems. And totally five.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, nine because of your back problems? >> It was a joke. >> I don't get it though. >> I get it. >> [music] >> This is the back.

KatieI'm sorry. I'm just, you know, us men, we're not very humorous. Um, >> what can someone explain the joke to me? Cuz >> I'm I'm I'm guessing that she has your back hurts often. Is that the problem? >> Yes. >> It's the thing that drops you from a 10

Levito a nine is your back. [laughter] >> If I was a 10 out of 10, my body would be perfect. It would work 100% of the time, but I have back problems. >> Oh, that's funny. Actually, >> I see. [laughter] >> He's slow. You get a downgrade from 10.

Brian AtlasIf it wasn't for your back problems, you would be a 10. >> Yeah, I like my body. >> Okay. Uh, and then, uh, total >> I guess that would average to like a

Brian Atlasnine. 8.5. Nine. >> Okay. Well, just nine 8.5, I guess. Uh, all right. What about you? >> Five face, five body, five total.

Brian Atlas>> Five55. All right. I give myself 4.5. 4.5. 4.5. Uh, okay. So, my attention draws to

Brian Atlasthe 10. The 10. Uh, I would stand by Katie's 10 because I

Alisa Tresenovwe've known each other for a little bit and she literally works out and it's if you've seen her photos, it's she's got a 10 out of 10 body. So, like,

Brian Atlas>> does she I wearing all black and I >> try not to I don't like stare at >> Oh, but you ask us to raid our bodies.

SPEAKER_01You go ahead stare. You might as well. >> Uh Okay. Um All right. Uh >> thank you, Queen. Got you.

Brian Atlas>> Uh okay. Um working as a team. Can you guys tell me for the the two women who are tens, can you tell me a uh a male, maybe like an actor or a celebrity?

LadaSomebody who we could Google a man who you think is a 10. >> Oh, I Oh my gosh. Okay. Sway. >> Who's that? >> It's a rapper. >> Is that that little skinny guy who sings

Courtney King / Jamie / Avain >> girl? What are you talking about? >> Telly. [laughter] That name sounds familiar from like 15 years ago. >> That's like the that challenge that was

Brian Atlason Vine where they like paused >> uh for you.

Katie>> Just taking a moment. >> Uh >> I I just don't really pay attention to celebrities all that much, but my my forever celebrity crush is The Rock. >> The The Rock. Okay, you guys are giving

Brian Atlasme some [ __ ] weird answers to this. That's a good >> That's all I got. >> All right, I think everybody knows what The Rock looks like. Why don't you pull up Sway? What the [ __ ] This is your

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> looks crush >> girl. >> Scroll down. >> I'm sorry. That's

Brian Atlasnot serious. >> This is a male 10 to you. Just >> Yeah. >> Question. The You said you're like dating three guys. Are they black?

Brian AtlasNo. >> Oh, okay. Um, okay. And so, Sway, that guy's a 10 for you. >> Yeah. >> Or are you just like a fan of his music or is that actually like you think he's

Brian Atlasreally physically attractive? >> I just think he's attractive. >> Like 10? >> Yeah. >> So, he Okay. Uh, I have actually, Chad, I have no idea what to do with that one. Um, what

Brian Atlasabout a girl? >> So judged right now. What? What? What? What about a girl who you think is a 10? Like a female celebrity? >> Um, let me think.

Brian AtlasA girl that I think is a 10. That's a celebrity. >> What about for you? >> Angelina Jolie all the way. >> Angelina Jolie. Okay. For you.

Brian Atlas>> What about for you? >> I can't think of anyone. I don't know. Are there any like Russian celebs or something you can think of? >> There's a lot of beautiful Russian. A

Brian Atlaslot of Russian women are very uh beautiful typically. >> Um okay, pull up Angelina Jolie, I guess. So, Angelina Jolie, she's a 10. Let's do young. She's old now. Let's do young Angelina. >> Yeah, in her prime.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, scroll up. Scroll up. Scroll up to the very top. Um, okay. That's Why don't we do the Is that Wait, wait, wait. Scroll up.

Brian AtlasScroll up. Scroll up. The yearbook photo. Is that AI or is that real? >> It looks AI. I don't think that's real.

Brian Atlas>> That one looks AI. The yearbook one. Um, here. Scroll down. Um,

Brian Atlashow how about the how about the one where with a blue she's wearing a backpack. Click on that one.

Brian AtlasAll right. Uh, now on the image, right click on it and do open in new tab at the very top. All right. Show us the image.

KatieSo, she's a 10. >> I think so. I think she's stunning. >> Okay. Do you have it?

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. No, no. Uh, >> that's what that's what it did though. >> Was it open image in new tab? >> Yeah. >> That's weird. I don't know why that Okay, whatever. It doesn't matter. We

Brian Atlassee. You might have done like open link in new tab. I don't know. Um, I couldn't see. Uh, anyways, pull it back up. Is there a way to make it bigger?

Brian AtlasThere should be a way to like isolate just the photo. Just pull it up. Okay, that works. I guess. All right. Angelina Jolie, I don't know if this No,

Brian Atlasit's not AI. 2020 is when this was posted on Facebook. Okay, so she's a 10. You're a 10. Would you guys would you

Katiesay you're like equivalent looks to her? >> Well, I don't >> terms of beauty. >> Yeah, I think so. I think she has a very unique classic look and I think I have a very unique classic look. We don't look

Katiethe same, but we have >> Yeah, you guys do look different, but >> uh yeah, I do think that we have the same level of beauty. Um I'm kind of known for my my classic beauty and my

Katieclassic look. So, >> like silent film actress. Yeah. >> Yeah. Actually, sometimes. Yeah. >> You have like a girl nextdoor vibe. That's kind of like

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I get that all the time. Yeah. >> I do think of anyone here, I would say you're the most beautiful lookswise. >> You're so sweet. I think you're stunning. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01>> You're sweet. >> Uh, okay. Um, interesting. Uh,

Brian AtlasYeah. >> Um, do you think, uh, if you were to use words to describe your physical appearance, like what would you use?

KatieAdjectives, I guess. >> Some of the things that I already said, um, I have a classic look. Um, I have a very unique look. Um, it tends to get me a lot of work in a lot of bookings. Um,

Katieall natural. Um, very fit, very in shape. Um, always in the gym. Um, yeah.

Brian AtlasUm, [sighs] uh, if going [snorts] around the table, if uh, say a 100,000 men were to rate you, let's just, we won't do face, body,

Brian Atlaswe'll just do your average total rating or whatever. Um, do you think that the rating would be the same? Would it be lower? Would it be higher? Or what do you think it would be? Do I'm answering if it would be lower or

Brian Atlashigher or I'm giving a rating. >> Yeah. So, you rated yourself 6.5. Do you think if a 100,000 men their average rating uh do you think they would rate you 6.5? Would they rate you higher, lower?

Brian Atlas>> I think probably 6.5. >> Okay. What about you? What do you think? You rated yourself a 10 across the board basically. Do you think the 100,000 men would rate you Well, you can't go higher

Brian Atlasthan the 10, but 10. Or would they rate you lower? >> Maybe a little lower because of my personality. >> Well, no, it wouldn't be personality. It just be looks. They're just doing an

Brian Atlasassessment on looks. Also, why would they rate you lower because of your personality? >> I mean, there's probably subject matter there that we can get into, but that's another conversation.

Lada>> I just Okay. I would say probably at least 10 or nine. Yeah, somewhere there. Maybe a little lower because I I think I have like my self-esteem is a little too high. But

Brian Atlas>> it's too high >> a little bit, but >> Well, there's no dispute from me on that one. But uh what about you? >> I was a six, right? >> You said 446. >> Oh, yeah. Into the mic, please.

Alisa Tresenov>> Probably lower. >> Okay. Okay. My average was a seven. >> Yeah, >> I'd say >> six face, eight body.

Alisa Tresenov>> Six. Yeah. So, I'd say maybe seven or a six would be my average if a 100,000 men were to rate me. >> Okay. What about you? What do you think? >> I think mine would say the same. Like, what did I say? Four and a half.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, four and a half was your total. What about you? >> Um, I think eight. >> Eight. Okay. Interesting. All right. What about you? >> Maybe a five. >> Okay. But you said you gave yourself 444. >> Yeah.

Levi>> Okay. What about you? >> Um probably a little lower. >> So what? >> Uh maybe like a 6.5. Seven. >> Okay. What about you? >> I think they'd rate me the same as a

Brian Atlasfive. >> Same as a five. All right. Uh why is it for you? You say you're a 10 10. Why would the men Why do you think the men would rate you an eight? >> This is a fantastic question, Brian.

KatieThank you so much for asking. Yeah, >> with [laughter] our with our current um I'm going to call it an epidemic of >> epidemic

Katie>> epidemic of lots of plastic surgery, there is a new kind of look on or a new um social expectation of what they

Katieexpect a woman to look like. That is not necessarily natural. So, I'm rating myself on a scale of what I believe is beautiful and I do believe that I'm a 10 full wholeheartedly because why would I

Brian Atlasdowngrade myself and all of you ladies should think that you're a 10 as well? >> Good. Good. So, two things there I want to respond to. Uh, do you think all women should view themselves as a 10? >> I do. I do think all women should have that confidence.

Lada>> Do you agree with her other 10? >> I think that yes, if they actually work on themselves like she's always in the gym. I'm always in the gym. I feel like we resonate there. >> So like if if they actually work towards being one.

Lada>> Mhm. >> Like I I don't like encourage Botox or anything. I don't like >> Are all women tens? >> I think in their own way everyone is beautiful. Yeah, I do think so. I think

Brian Atlaseveryone can be a 10. >> Everyone can be a 10. How would they achieve this? >> Wait, didn't you say there was an issue with plastic surgery? Uh, I mean you

Katie>> so I don't I don't personally agree with completely changing your face and the way that you look for a lot of different reasons. Um, but you know I think if you want one thing here, one thing there,

Katiebut it's really shifted and changed the um outlook of what beauty is. I'm sorry. Am I boring you? >> No, I was just yawning. Just [laughter] kidding.

Katie>> Um, yeah. And [snorts] so therefore there there is a different expectation. And that's why I rated myself or said that men [clears throat] might rate me lower is because, you know, I don't have like a boob job, right? So, I don't have

Brian Atlaslike double D's. I have my natural like B's or whatever they are. >> Okay. Uh, well, I mean, hold on really quick on the all tens thing. So, all women are tens,

Katie>> I think. So, because we're all >> Are all men tens? >> I I think so. >> You know, that's a really good point. I I think in their own way all men can be

Annie (HR)tens. Yeah. >> Wow. That's really >> How come you're willing to give women the the like, yes, girl, slay, you're all tense, the confidence, but for men, you're like, e maybe they can reach 10

Katielevel >> because I I love women and I want to support women. So men don't need support. Men do need support. I never said that. >> But you can support women and support men. >> Yeah, I do.

Brian Atlas>> I love that. There there she does point something out where >> you were quicker to say yes all women are tens but there seemed to be hesitation when we were trying to do the

Katiesame appraisal of men >> just because I don't find every man attractive right >> you find all all women attractive >> I find a lot of women most women attractive yeah

Lada>> can I ask you something so would you say that that should be like men should do should say the thing towards men like a man should say oh all men are 10 out of

Lada10 and women should say oh all women of 10 out of 10 but if a woman is speaking about a guy then she could say like yeah I don't know so because you are supporting girls then men are supporting men would that I think that's valid I

Ladathink that's valid >> do you think all women are tens >> and if I I said like if they work towards being one like if they work on themselves then I guess they could

Brian AtlasMaybe. >> Okay. But should How about this? Well, there's two different questions. Do you think all women are tens or do you think all women should say they're tens? A little bit different. But, uh, do you think all men are tens?

Lada>> They can be. As I have the same answer for both of them, for both women and men, >> they can be tense. Like >> if they >> You're saying that they have everyone has 10 potential as long as everyone

Annie (HR)works towards that 10. Yeah. >> So, you think you think that everyone can be a 10? Even like someone with like >> deformities, they can be 10.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, girl. [laughter] >> If they work on themselves, just talking about going to the gym, >> you work on like the 10 potential. >> Yeah. You do realize that like facial

Brian Atlasattractiveness is absolutely massive and there's very little that you can do to improve that. Even oftentimes getting plastic surgery, you still can't there's there's a limit to what you can do.

Alisa Tresenov>> I was gonna say that you can go to the gym as often you can fix your b fix your body um just do changes to your body by going to the gym and working out. I go

Brian Atlasto the gym as much as do but you can't change your face unless you do >> surgeries, >> right? But attractiveness is collective.

Brian AtlasSo I agree that uh most people do have uh the capacity to although there I mean there's even genetic components to well your muscle

Brian Atlasinsertions and like some people have an easier time at least especially with men putting on muscle. Like some men just don't have like good muscle in

Brian Atlasinsertions and their chest is going to look all [ __ ] [ __ ] and their you know biceps are not going to look right and their triceps and their shoulders all these things right so I mean you can

Brian Atlasget fit but even then there's some degree of genetic limitation >> I don't think anybody's a 10. Nobody

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I mean you're you're a woman of God right? I think the only thing that person that can be considered

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaa 10 if you look at it this way would be Jesus, right? Because he was made to be a 10. Nobody else. >> We don't know what Jesus looks like.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> We're all made in God's image. >> Not like that. But like in this way, like if created that way, >> God was created to be like the perfect

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaimage. whether it's like personality like everything wise it's just that's created

Courtney King / Jamie / Avato be the perfect image and for looks wise this aspect of it if you're doing it this way let's say

Courtney King / Jamie / Avalet's say I don't know for me I rate myself for my looks a four but I don't know like my my nose I think my

Courtney King / Jamie / Avanose is very big. I think my hair is beautiful. It's just it's about like your >> What does that have to do with Jesus? [laughter] >> It has to do with the fact that like he

Courtney King / Jamie / Avathinks that I'm perfect. >> I think that >> we shouldn't rate people personally because I do agree with you. We all

Courtney King / Jamie / Avacreated in God's image which is perfect. >> I don't think that we should view people as options because when we're rating their looks, we're looking at them as an option. I think we should see them as reflections of God's grace.

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