Brian Made Her PUKE?! Reformed HØE?! Woke Girl Came To DESTROY Brian In A DEBATE?! | Dating Talk 277

Date: 2026-01-12

Duration: 10h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCourtney King >

JJamie Ericson >

AAlisa Tresenov >

TTabitha Chang >

KKatie (Model)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Courtney King / Jamie / Ava(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alisa Tresenov(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lada(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Katie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Tabitha Chang(guest)

SPEAKER_13Annie (HR)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Levi(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentBrian's 7-point argument for not performing oral sex

ControversyFirst ever vomiting incident on the Whatever Podcast

Key MomentAva: drunk on Jose Cuervo, stabbed herself, beat up 3 people, jail

QuoteLada demands $10M/year minimum husband income

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including Levi (male), Lada (18yo Russian rapper).

Jamie Relationship

Met boyfriend at 11, 3 kids, cheating history.

WoW Dating Analogy

Brian's World of Warcraft meta analogy for dating strategy.

Brian's Oral Sex 7 Arguments

Extended 7-point argument for not performing oral sex.

Vomiting Incident

First vomiting incident in show history.

Ava Stabbing/Jail

Stabbed herself drunk, beat up 3 people, jail.

Body Count Round

Range from 3 to 55+.

Transcript

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Courtney King / Jamie / Avagoing to have the guests introduce themselves. Uh, go ahead. >> Hi, my name is Courtney King. I'm 25 years old. I'm a full-time UGC creator. What were the other places?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Uh, where are you from? >> I'm from Florida. Um, but I'm currently moving to LA. >> All right. And uh, any college? >> Yes, I'm in nursing school through Valencia College.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Anything before that? >> Like college before that? No. >> Okay. So, you just started nursing school? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Got it. Uh, how long you been doing that? >> Like a year and a half now. Do you have to do like your general?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> That's what I'm like. I'm not in the actual nursing school yet. I just finished my prerequisites. >> You're going to go to nursing school. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What were you just finished your prerex? Yeah. >> What were your prerexs? >> Anatomy and physiology 1, anatomy and physiology 2.

Lada>> What about you? >> What's up? What's up? My name is La Cardinal Nims. Um, I'm a music artist. Originally, I'm 18. >> Okay. >> I'm originally from Russia, St. Petersburg and I currently live in Los

Brian AtlasAngeles, California. >> All right. When did you move to the United States? >> Uh, two years ago. >> Okay. And what's the story? What's the story there?

Lada>> Just moved from Russia. Honestly, I was just p pursuing a music career. >> Okay. >> So, that's my main point. But I used to live in Tucson, Arizona. But living in

Brian AtlasLA was always my dream. So, I can just finally made it here. Now, did you move with your family or what's the story? >> No, solo, just alone.

Lada>> You moved at 16? >> I moved uh to Arizona with my family when I was 16 and then I moved to LA alone when I was 17. >> But the move to the United States, you did come with your family.

Lada>> Yeah. >> So, your mom, your dad, siblings? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, my mom and my dad and my brother.

Brian AtlasOkay. Gotcha. Um, and uh, is that a I I thought we were not on

Brian Atlasgood terms with Russia. I didn't know an entire Russian family could move to the United States. So, what is the Do you guys have

Ladadid you come here legally? Do you have visas? What's the >> Yeah. Um, so, okay. I'm honestly only partially Russian because I was born in Russia. Okay. I lived my whole life

Ladathere till I was 16. But uh my dad is from Kentucky. It It's kind of weird. >> Your dad's American? >> Yeah. And >> And your mom's Russian? >> Yeah. >> Does your dad have dual citizenship

Brian Atlas>> in Russia? >> No, I I do. >> Okay. You were born in Russia? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Your dad born in the United States? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So you have dual citizenship. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> In the United States. >> Yep. >> You're Okay. So was there like a immigration process or what? >> I just Well, I mean >> not for you. I mean I guess your entire

Ladafamily >> kind of. I mean was there an immigration process? >> Like did you I guess I I don't know if you had to apply for visas or >> Yeah. Well, no. I had two like two passports since a kid so I didn't really

Ladahave to worry about anything. >> Right. But your mother not being a citizen of the United States. >> Oh, that that was that was hard. But we got over it first. Like Yeah, that was a

Brian Atlaslittle more difficult. >> Okay, got it. All right. Um, so you speak Russian, English, any other languages? >> Just those two. I'm trying to get to

Brian AtlasSpanish, but I'm not there. >> Okay. All right. And uh, are you in college right now? >> I don't go to school. No. >> Okay. Got it. What about you?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I'm Jamie Ericson. I am 21 years old. I do Only Fans. Um, I live in Florida. I was born in

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaConnecticut, though. And I don't go to college. >> Any college? >> Not at all. Just I was homeschooled >> uh for most of your life. All of your

Courtney King / Jamie / Avalife. >> I was in public school for all of school until high school. And then I was homeschooled for high school. That was about it.

Alisa Tresenov>> Okay. Gotcha. What about you? >> Hi, my name is Alisa Tresenov. I am 28 and I grew up in Jersey. I am a script supervisor in film and >> New Jersey.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Not the country. Wait, is Jersey is Jersey a country? Isn't there a country named Jersey? Hold on. >> I think so. Wait, I'm not Jersey

Alisa Tresenovcountry. >> I'm not from the country. I'm from this Well, I grew up in the state of New Jersey. >> We just don't say the new part. >> It's not a country. It's like a territory of the uh of

Brian AtlasEngland. The British crown. I don't [ __ ] know. Anyways, [laughter] >> uh it's an island controlled by the UK. Thank you, Chad. Yeah, I got confused

Alisa Tresenovthere. Uh so, you're from New Jersey. Yeah, I grew up there and I went to NYU Tish for film and TV a few years ago.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And uh let's see. You uh what did you get your degree in >> in film and TV? >> Bachelors. >> Bachelors. Yeah. >> Okay. But that and you graduated quite a few years ago.

Tabitha Chang>> Yeah. 2019. >> Okay. Gotcha. What about you? >> Hi, I'm Tabitha Chang. I'm 28. I'm currently a stay-at-home mom of two. Um,

Tabitha ChangI do have about three years of college at CSU Monterey Bay >> with kinesiology being my degree on that and then I got a business certificate last year. Um, all right.

Katie>> But otherwise, >> and where are you from? >> We're we live in Fresno now. I'm originally from the Bay Area. >> Okay. Gondu. What about you? >> Hi, my name is Katie. Um, I'm 26, about

Katieto be 27. My birthday's in a few days. Um, I am a full-time model, actress, and content creator. I do UGC work. Um, and I went to some college, originally from

Brian AtlasTexas, just moved to LA about a month ago. >> All right. Uh, some people in the chat for both of you are asking what UGC content is. Do you want to >> Yeah. Um, so it's userenerated content.

KatieSo, basically, for instance, like I have a contract with a uh car dealership in Hawthorne, and I make all of their content for Instagram, and that's a month-to-month ordeal. Or brands will

Katiesend uh they'll pay for you to post stuff on your Instagram or just create content for them to utilize for advertising. So, or advertisements or whatever. So,

Brian Atlas>> user generated content. >> So, it's more authentic advertising basically. >> Okay. So like if I don't know some

Brian Atlasuh bedet company wants to you would be like wow this bedet is so amazing. >> Yeah kind of yeah kind of you could yeah it cleans really well or it doesn't [laughter]

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> my booty hole feels great after this amazing bedet like you got to make it like super viral and >> eye you got to give it some uh some charisma. What about you? Uh >> my name's Ava Madson. I'm from Austin,

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaTexas. and I went to the University of Idaho for coniology. I plan on going back in the fall for business marketing and I do sales. >> All right. Age >> 20. >> 20. And sorry, you're from where again?

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaTexas, you said. Or >> I I live in Austin, Texas right now, but I'm originally from Boisee, Idaho. >> Idaho. Okay. Nice. All right. What about you?

Levi>> Uh, my name is Levi. I'm 25 years old. I currently work in the car business with my family and I went to University of Miami and studied biology. >> When did you graduate from there?

Brian Atlas>> 2023. >> Okay. So, two years ago, three years ago. >> Uh, wait. And you said for work though, you sell cars. Is that >> kind of do a little bit of everything? Like I said, it's a familyowned business. That's I work for my parents.

Brian AtlasSo, >> in terms of the degree that you got in by you have a bachelor's Yes. Yes. In bachelor's of science. >> You you could do either. I have a bachelor of arts in biology.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh what did you have a sense of what you wanted to do with that or >> um medical school? >> Is that still on the table or >> It is. >> Okay. Um have you applied to any medical

Levischools? Have you taken the MCAT? >> No. So when I started I wasn't really exactly sure what route I wanted to take. It kind of just was I knew I was interested in science so I chose

Levisomething I was thought would be interesting and fun to learn about and eventually it kind of just after I graduated of course I set myself on medical school. So in the meantime

Levibetween then and now I've been adding up the prerequisites I didn't take in undergrad. So like biochemistry, physics I did take or organic chemistry. Uh and then let's say uh after med school, do

Brian Atlasyou have a sense of what kind of medical discipline you'd like to go into? >> Surgery. >> Any specific kind? Orthopedic or brain surgery? >> I liked plastics a lot. Um or on >> So plastic surgery.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Uh so like fake titties and [ __ ] >> No, more so like uh reconstructive. >> Reconstructive. Okay. like the good kind

Brian Atlasof >> plastic surgery. Although I mean don't um I'm actually curious. Are there plastic surgeons that refuse to do the cosmetic

Brian Atlasplastic surgeries? I don't know. And they're like, you know what? I'm not I'm not going to give some [ __ ] blondes some [ __ ] fake titties, but I will like if somebody's half his face gets blown off, I'll do that, you know?

Annie (HR)>> Um I don't know. I guess I mean it's definitely up to the surgeon [clears throat] of course I mean what what surgeries they will and won't perform. >> Okay. What about you? >> Hi, I'm Annie. I'm 31 years old. I'm

Annie (HR)from Connecticut but I was born in the Philippines. I work in human resources but um my degree is in human development family science and I have a minor in psychology. Um shout out to the Discord

Brian Atlasgang. >> Shout out whatever Discord gang. discord.gg whatever. All right. Going around the table uh once more, we're going to have everybody uh share their

Brian Atlasrelationship status. And uh so if you're single, how long have you been single? And longest relationship you've ever been in. If you're

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I am in a relationship. I was with the same guy for 7 years. We just recently got back together. >> Okay. So should we just say seven years then? >> Sure. He had a few girlfriends in

Brian Atlasbetween there, but >> how long were you guys split up? Like a year. >> One year. Yeah. Okay. >> So, you you guys met in high school or

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> um I was 11 and he was 18 when we met, but it wasn't like that until I was 18. >> Yes. >> It wasn't like that until I was 18. Well,

Brian Atlas>> but I had a crush on him. >> Uh was it was it like a family friend or something? >> Yeah, my best friend's brother.

Brian Atlas>> What do you guys think? think that's a bit of a yikes. I don't know. I don't know. >> Super yikes. >> I don't know. I It's >> That is a bit of a >> I mean, obviously you guys didn't You were You started dating when you turned 18.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Well, technically I was 17, but almost 18. Like really? So close. >> Where did you live? >> In New York at the time. >> Okay. >> There's no Romeo and Juliet law there. I don't think it was

Brian Atlas>> Well, it's not even that. I mean, I know certain isn't the federal uh isn't at the federal level the age of consent is 18 18. I know some states it's like

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> lower. It's still kind of like that's still kind of I don't know. Um so who made the move? >> Actually me. Um I was obsessed with him. >> Did you have like pictures of him in

Courtney King / Jamie / Avayour room growing up? >> I wish. No, like a poster on the wall. No. Um, I was just obsessed with him. I would visit my best friend's house a lot and he would always be there. I called

Courtney King / Jamie / Avahim hot brother. Um, cuz my best friend has one hot brother and one ugly brother or well, sorry. Sorry, Kyrie. Um,

Courtney King / Jamie / Avabut yeah, I made the mood first. I uh got his Snapchat. I told him that I would guzzle a bucket of his juices and then he added me on Snapchat. >> What?

Brian Atlas>> Whoa, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I didn't use the word juices though. >> Is that like reverse grooming? >> Yes. >> You said sperm >> 17 >> or come or something? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> At at 17. >> Yeah. >> And he's 25. >> Well, he you said Wait, he was eight years older. Wait, hold on.

Brian Atlas>> He was 18 when I was 11. >> Okay. Seven years older. So he's 24. Yikes. It's a bit of a yikes. I'm gonna be honest. A

Brian Atlas>> little bit. >> Um, but Okay. So, then you start dating at >> And you were in New York. >> Yeah. >> You were in New York. >> I moved him down to Florida with my family, though.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> You moved him down. Was he homeless? >> Well, his mom kicked him out and he was kind of like in between, so I guess. Yeah, kind of. >> Okay. Uh, well, I guess.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaHow does your family feel about this? Oh, they love him. They love him so much. He's actually a really good guy. I understand it sounds crazy, >> but hold on. So, when you say you moved

Brian Atlashim to Florida, what do you mean? >> Um, well, he was kind of down. He didn't have a job. >> But, had you already been dating or was this at the very forefront of the relationship? >> So, this is literally like a week into it. Week or two.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Yeah. because New York and I don't know if there's like some overarching like federal law or whatever. New York the age of consent is 17 years old. However, the age of consent in Florida is 18

Brian Atlasyears old. And then further it sounds like there were some uh digital exchanges which across the board uh >> is illegal. Yes,

Brian Atlas>> that is probably a little Yeah, I think that's doesn't matter, you know, if you're sending like explicit content under the age of 18. That's a major

Courtney King / Jamie / Avayikes. >> Okay. Um, but and you're currently still in a relationship with this guy. >> So, I left him for a while. I just recently took him back. >> How were you guys on and off again? More

Courtney King / Jamie / Avathan once? >> No. Oh, wait. um for one month in like the beginning of our relationship. We broke up cuz he cheated and then I got back together with him and I kind of Yeah. cheated a lot.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> How many women did he cheat? >> He effed one of my best friends and then there were like probably 10 other random ones. >> That's awesome.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> And you did you cheat too? >> Oh yeah. Afterwards. Oh yeah. Like >> after he cheated? >> Yeah. After he cheated, I like made it my mission. >> What? Before your mission? >> Yeah, I made it my mission to cheat on

Courtney King / Jamie / Avahim, which is so stupid. What a waste of time. Um, but before that, no, I was a good girl. I cheated on my boyfriends that weren't him before that, but not on him. >> Keep going.

Lada>> Um, well, what else do you want to know? Wait, >> he's 32 now? >> Yeah. >> I had a question. You're He You said his

Courtney King / Jamie / Avamom kicked him out. How did that Why? Oh. Um, he has a baby mother that isn't me and he left her and his mom didn't like that.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Did he leave her for you? >> Um, what? >> We started talking after they broke up, but they were still kind of like she was

Brian Atlasstill living in his mom's house with him, so it was a it was an interesting situation. >> Okay. Um, uh, did anybody want to weigh

Brian Atlasin on the, uh, I wouldn't even call it an age gap because you're a minor technically? That's a different territory. Um, do you guys think a bit yikes?

Alisa Tresenov>> Uh, yeah. >> Super super yikes. >> Super >> or not that bad or fine?

Alisa TresenovI think uh after a certain age an age gap doesn't matter but prior to that it's >> I'm I'm speaking of this specific one 17

Alisa Tresenovso she's not technically in the duel she's a minor and with a 24 year old >> I think 24 >> well I would say it's a it's a little it's a little yikes but you guys have stuck it through this whole time so

Brian Atlas>> no more no more >> I have a question >> I don't think there's well I don't think there's currently like your current age gap. That's fine. >> That's no problem. >> That's not an issue. Although it is a bit conf

Brian AtlasLook, I think it's yikes. But you were the pursuer. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh so that adds another layer to the the whole thing. Um Okay. Wow. >> Can I ask my question?

Annie (HR)>> Yeah. >> Do you do you have a monogamy problem? >> Are you do you like or do you prefer like a polygamous relationship? Because if you guys are just like cheating on each other all the time. >> No, I actually really don't like

Courtney King / Jamie / Avacheating. I was doing it purely in revenge. I wouldn't do that now. Um, but when I was younger, it was a good idea to me to make him feel the way that he

Alisa Tresenovmade me feel. Um, but I am monogamous. I think for myself >> I would say in your wedding speech um from a gallon of your juice to saying I

Alisa Tresenovdo I love you you know make sure to include that how [laughter] my grandparents would like >> so yeah that that initial message you sent him was that uh repeat it again

Courtney King / Jamie / Avasorry >> um I will guzzle a bucket of your [ __ ] >> and was that your opening line >> yes and it wasn't a message it was like an audio like my best was on the phone

Brian Atlasand I said it on speaker to him >> like on a call, not like a voice recording. No, >> it was live. >> Yeah, a call. Live stream. >> Were you Were you sober? Were you? >> Yeah, I was sober.

Brian Atlas>> And it was H had you I mean you were like family friends or whatever. Like he was the friend of your brother, right? Or >> what? No, he's uh my best friend's brother. >> He's your Okay, so your best friend is a

Courtney King / Jamie / Avagirl. >> My best friend's a boy, Kyle. Um we grew up together. How old is your best Kyle? >> Same exact age as me. >> And you were crushing on the much older brother. >> Yeah. >> Not the best friend who's your same age.

Tabitha Chang>> Yeah. I've always [clears throat] been like that though. I like older guys >> at 11. The [ __ ] [laughter] >> I think that makes it so much weirder >> that he knew you as a kid and then like

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Oh yeah, I know. I think it's I think that's weird. Like >> I think it's very yikes for him, but for you to be like I don't know if it was

Courtney King / Jamie / Avalike growing up like at your age 17 saying that to him, you knew what you were doing. Like you knew your intentions, but for him to be at his age,

Courtney King / Jamie / Avathat's very yikes for him. But it's still like a very poor situation to be in. age doesn't matter to know like right from wrong. So at 11 that's kind of

Courtney King / Jamie / Avainsane. Especially like the whole cheating aspect like morality that's terrible. >> Yeah. >> Well, she didn't have those thoughts at at 11. I didn't say that. I said when I was 17 >> at 11 it was a simple crutch.

Brian Atlas>> Well, cheating no matter the age insane. >> My my followup though is so this was the brother of your male best friend.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Um, and then how did this phone call like had you not spoken to him for a period of time? >> I had seen him in person a couple times. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> But then I found out him and his girlfriend broke up. So I just went full force ahead. >> Okay. So his girlfriend broke up like how long had they been dating?

Brian Atlas>> Like four years. >> Four years. And then when you say Okay. So I guess two questions. Uh, prior to the phone call, when was the last time

Brian Atlasyou had had any contact with the guy? >> Um, maybe like two years it had been since I've seen him >> or talked to him. >> Or talked to him. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> No. No. Like texting or? >> No. Nothing. I didn't have >> So, this was like a hey, haven't spoken to you in 2 years. Haven't seen you in 2 years. Completely almost sounds like

Brian Atlasspontaneous impromptu phone conversation. And then uh how how soon after the breakup with his four-year girlfriend did this phone call take place? The day of

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> like a week. >> A week after. And your opening line was what again? >> I'm going to guzzle a bucket of your [ __ ] >> Whoa. >> Hold on.

Brian Atlas>> What? >> Amazing story. >> Excuse me. Not like a, "Oh, hey Jeff, how's it going? How's how's it been?" Like, that was your first thing you said.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I just kind of say what comes to my brain and that was what came. >> What was your best friend's reaction? >> I don't think it was much of a reaction. I'm kind of like that a lot. Well, not

Levilike sexual like that, but just like >> he didn't have any problem at all with his older brother and someone who he's grown up with, known since he was a little kid. Like, >> no, he actually encouraged it. cuz I'm with your parents in your life.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaWhat the [ __ ] >> Both my parents in my life? Yes, they're both doctors. >> Do you think he's the one? >> Um, >> I don't know if I believe in the one.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaI think so many people. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we have three kids together. So, >> wait, what? >> We have three children together. That's why I got back with him in the first place.

Brian Atlas>> You Hold on. >> You have three kids. >> Three boys.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaUh, three boys. What are their names? >> Stefan, Jeremiah, and Leo. >> Cute. Are you >> Hold on. Date of birth >> of them.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, just the years. >> Oh, 2019, 2020, and 2023. >> H. >> How old are you? >> I don't believe you.

Brian Atlas>> I don't believe you. I think you're trolling. >> Uh, do you have photos of them on your phone? >> I do. Yeah. >> Okay. Yo, chat, do you think she's lying? I think this is a troll. I think

Brian Atlasit's I think we're getting trolled right now. Um, so you have three kids. >> Yes. >> You're his second baby mama. >> Yeah.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> You don't think you're like a home wrecker? >> Um, a little bit. I did feel I've processed how horrible I handled things

Courtney King / Jamie / Avawhen I was 17 towards his baby mother and I have apologized since then. Um, home recorder, I wouldn't consider it because I didn't have any contact with

Courtney King / Jamie / Avahim before they broke up, but it was a week after. So, that is pretty shitty, you know. >> And are you afraid it's going to happen to you? >> It has happened to me like 20 times over. >> Is he white?

Lada>> He's black. So, wait, you were how old when you had the first kid or when you got like >> I was 18

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> and you got pregnant also 18. >> I think I had just turned 18. I had him

Courtney King / Jamie / Avain uh March of 2019, my first baby. Um, my birthday's July. So, 2019 I turned 19 in July. So, I was 18 when I had him. I

Annie (HR)might have been 17 when I got pregnant with him. I'm not sure. >> Did the other baby mama have the kids around the same time you had your kids? Like, was it close together? Even at the

Levisame time? >> Her um her daughter was three or four. >> Has he had any other kids with any other women since then? >> No, not that I know of.

Brian Atlas>> Have you ever been married? >> No. >> Uh in your pre-show notes, it says you left your husband. Oh, I just call him that. I left my We were engaged. It was fiance >> at 17.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> You said you left him for another man after you cheated on him for years. >> Yeah. >> And you've cheated since? >> Yes. Well, not on him. >> And been a horrible girlfriend in every type of way.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Yes. And your kids are going to see that. >> Always. >> I think in order to better yourself, you have to be bad at whatever you're doing.

Courtney King / Jamie / AvaSo, I think by me being a shitty girlfriend, it built me to where I can make myself into a good girlfriend. >> Uhhuh. >> You speak as if like you're okay with your actions.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I don't think I'm okay or I'm not okay with my actions. I just don't want to hide my actions because people's past are important. >> What do you do now that is different than what you used to do? Like, what do you do better now than what you used to

Tabitha Changdo? >> I don't cheat. Um, that's pretty much the only problem I had before really. >> So, you like cater to your boyfriend or anything? Like, what do you do >> besides just being there?

Alisa Tresenov>> I cook and clean, I guess, if that's what you're talking about. >> I mean, hold on. He also cheated on you. So, you're It's like it's not a onesided thing. Like, how has he improved? >> So many times. I don't I'm honestly not

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaeven sure if he has improved. I'm kind of just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Um, it's a sticky situation when you have children together

Alisa Tresenovand I feel like that influenced me to take him back a lot. Um, >> were the other two um, I hate to use the

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaword accidents or intentional? >> So, the first two were accidents. I had an IUD in um, and it migrated, so I got pregnant.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Wow. And then my most recent baby, my two-year-old, he was not an accident. He was planned. Do you think >> I'm just a little Sorry, I'm just a little confused because I thought Brian just said in your thing, it said you

Courtney King / Jamie / Avastill cheat to this day. >> No, it said that. >> I thought I heard you say. >> You said Yeah, you wrote you've cheated since. >> Yeah, not to this day.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> So, how how does that make you a better person still though? Now if you have cheated since though because I didn't learn from that time of cheating on him.

Brian AtlasSo it took me two relationships after that where I cheated on them to realize that's really [ __ ] up and I shouldn't be doing that. >> Uh just here uh here here here's what I

Brian Atlaswant to do just so I'm not lingering on this too long. You guys you guys talk about this for 2 minutes here. Get up. Show me the photos. Okay. Are my kids? >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Annie (HR)>> Let's verify. >> What I want to know is the root of the cheating. Like it cheating just doesn't happen. There's a root. >> So, I don't know. >> Yeah. Just being like a terrible person. What do you mean? >> If you're with someone you truly love,

Ladathen you just have no desire to want to cheat. Like, you just have no desire for anyone else. >> Honestly, something might make sense. I'm trying to put two plus two together. So, if she was born in July, is that

Courtney King / Jamie / Avacancer? Because if that's cons that's consing [laughter] on your partner. >> Yeah. That's a morality problem. You need God. >> I feel like that's that's kind of >> I think with the reverse grooming

Courtney King / Jamie / Avathere's already something like >> it has nothing to do with like I think the age like >> sorry about it doesn't have anything to do with being groomed. You can be assaulted. You can be groomed and

Levi>> I was kind of questioning why 11year-old is attracted to an 18-year-old. Usually when that is the case, that means there was some sort of like >> I've had crushes on older guys in early childhood, whether that be physical, sexual, emotional. >> I think it's normal to like see someone

Tabitha Changlike, oh, they're attractive when you're younger cuz like we're used to like that. But it's >> pursuing it later. That person knows you as a child. That's creepy. >> There's definitely more. [laughter] >> It doesn't have to be abuse either cuz

Alisa Tresenovsome people are just messed up in their heads at that point. Like that's mental. What if they met like well into her 20s? You guys still would do the math. You're like, "Oh, technically you guys met." >> Yeah. You meet somebody as a

Alisa Tresenov20-year-old. >> No, I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying like at a certain point we kind of no longer worry about the age gap. And it's like this >> we have a legal age limit for that in this country. It's 18. You know what I

Levimean? So, >> no, I know. It's just a little different when you know someone at at an adolescent age, prepubescent age, and then you it's just a line that >> I think you should have been a little

Annie (HR)bit more cautious with her with knowing that she >> Well, everyone around her seems to approve of it, family included. So maybe she has daddy issues. >> She said her parents are both doctors,

Leviso I mean that doesn't mean she doesn't have daddy issues, but it doesn't seem like her parents are like losers or something. It seems like they provided her. >> Seems like they provided her.

KatieI mean, it's not like you had a lack of resources. >> I have a question for you. Do you think that you guys will ever actually repair your trust to each other and be loyal to each other fully?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> I will never trust him. As for his trust for me, I really >> How can you have love when you have no trust? Um, [sighs]

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> it's more like a familial love, like a >> like he's been around so long that I've developed like >> Would you say that it's more of like a comfort thing? >> Yeah, absolutely.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Probably used to him like >> So, what is the point in living your life in comfortability? Like that's just seems off. >> Um, >> you just you're just going to be

Courtney King / Jamie / Avamiserable. I'm not miserable though. I >> I've been cheated on by other people since then as well. And I'm just not really as worried as I used to be when I

Leviwas a teenager. >> That you're setting a good example for your children by staying with a man that's consistently cheated on you and shown that he doesn't respect you. Do you think that your boys will grow up

Courtney King / Jamie / Avarespecting women if they've seen the way that his father treats their mother? I think they will respect women based on what they see from their father, >> but what they've seen has been cheating

Leviand it's been consistent throughout your entire relationship. >> They don't know any of that. >> Not yet. But they're they will come to that age where they will understand that >> eventually. And then all of their roots will

Courtney King / Jamie / Avabe laid down. They're not going to just one day be like, "Oh, my mom I'm finding out my mom got cheated on. better go disrespect women. >> Well, it's the fact that they see that he cheated on you and you decided to

Courtney King / Jamie / Avastay. So, they're like, "Oh, if I go cheat on my girlfriend, then maybe they'll stay." >> Maybe it's >> Well, yeah. And then that's their [clears throat] that might Why would you want to raise people like that? >> Yo, Jay, thank for the uh merch

Brian Atlaspurchase. Also, Dane, thank for the 10 on Venmo. Craig, thanks for the 20 on Cash App. So, I did verify uh you know, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't some FBI

Brian Atlasverification, but uh it's either the most elaborate troll ever, but she has photos with her and her children that are dated on the phone into like 2023,

Brian Atlas2022. So, I have to rule out that she generated these photos in like AI or chat GPT. It's possible you can do some things with the like XIF data or whatever to change the date of [snorts] photos.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> So, un it's either the most elaborate troll ever, but I'm going to go ahead and I mean based off what she showed me on her phone, she showed me photos of the, you know, the the kids are legit. They're [laughter]

Brian Atlasshe does have a black boyfriend, mixed race kids. I mean, this either the most elaborate [ __ ] ever. So, I'm It's legit. She's just brutally honest. So, I mean, I'll congratulate her for for

Brian Atlasthat. It did come off like a troll, though. I I do have to say, but I did verify it and it is uh to my knowledge legitimate. So, [sighs]

Brian Atlas>> okay. Wow, that's quite a story. Um, >> off to a good start, I'd say. >> Anyways, um we'll come back to some of that stuff later. We're going to get the rest of the uh relationship statuses. Uh

Ladarelationship status. I am single for life. But I mean, okay, I had a lot of like very shortterm relationships, but I never

LadaI mean, I am fairly young, I got to say, but so I kind of didn't have time to actually like be with someone for like a long like 5 years, whatever. Mhm. >> But I just feel like I had like all of

Ladamy relationships were 3 months, 4 months, 2 months and I've never or maybe the person never managed to keep me. I never managed to keep a person around me. I don't know why.

Brian Atlas>> They never managed to keep you or you never managed to keep them. >> That's what I'm trying to find out. I don't know. >> Yeah. Well, you said you've had many short-term. Is that what you said? >> Yeah. >> Short term. What's the longest period of

Brian Atlastime that you've been with somebody? >> I kind of need a moment to think. Um, probably four months. >> Four months. And you're currently single.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Or is there a guy in the picture? >> There's like three guys in the picture. >> Three. Three guys. Okay. No. Hey, we >> I'm very doublesided for this because I was just >> We appreciate the honesty you said.

Brian AtlasOkay. So, three guys in the picture. Uh, what does What does that mean? >> Um, okay. Um, three guys in the picture,

Ladaone of them is currently in New York, but he likes me a lot more than I like him and he wants to like he's he was

Ladatrying to move to LA to be around me because he was like, "Oh, I like LA. Let me move to you." Or stuff like that. But I was like, "Um, don't be so serious because I don't like you." And I had

Ladalike false >> Wait, wait, wait. You said >> what? You [laughter] said you don't like You said I don't like you to him. >> Yeah, I Okay, so I had a sense of

Ladafeeling that I did like him. But then I think that was the first time we met, but that was like last year and we met for only one day and we like because I don't live in New York, we just I flew there.

Brian Atlas>> He flew you there? >> No, I I flew there for >> to meet him or for something else? >> For something else. I think it was just like a >> Wait, how did you guys meet? >> I I just need a place to stay. >> No, but how did you meet? Like on a dating app or >> Oh, yeah. Dating app. Dating app.

Lada>> Hinge. >> No, it's like um >> Bria. >> Tinder? No. Oh, I don't use Tinder. I don't think Yeah, it's it's like a Yeah, >> exactly. >> So, he's Russian?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Oh, it's like a Russian dating app. >> Mhm. >> For spies. Um >> creepy. E. >> So, wait. Okay. So, there's three guys in the picture, though. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Three. Is it more? Four, five? >> How big is the roster? How about that? >> Huge. >> Huge. Okay. Uh, what is

Brian Atlas>> I mean, it's just like I feel like a lot of mixed signals. Like I I >> Yeah. >> I mean, look, you you just you're new in LA, young, you you're a actress, model,

Ladawhat? Singer. >> I Okay. My main thing is a music artist. A lot of people see me as a model, so I model like a little bit. >> Okay. >> Do these guys know that they're on a roster? Are you honest with them?

Brian Atlas>> No, they I I think >> she's honest with us though. [laughter] >> Yes. >> And that's what matters, you know. Screw the guy. But she's being honest with us. That's what matters here. Um, so how big is the roster? 10 guys.

Annie (HR)>> I I have to count, but okay. It's It's probably like [laughter] >> Are they going to watch this? >> Hold on. They might

Brian Atlas>> probably like at least eight. I don't know. >> Okay. At least eight. And then there's three that are in the picture, >> like the main picture, not the background. So, >> okay. And are you're like you're hooking up with them?

Brian Atlas>> Well, >> the three. >> I wouldn't say it's like that serious. I mean, I kind of >> Well, I'm not saying it's serious, but you're you are hooking up. >> Well, okay. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Having sex? >> Honestly, no. >> With two of them? >> No. >> One of them? >> No. >> So, you're not having sex with anybody?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> But you have three guys in the picture in the roster vape. >> So, what you're just doing what then? I I think okay

Ladabecause I think I mentioned the mixed signals like I think I like someone and then I start to speak to them and then I'm like okay no and then I move on to the next person I'm also noticing

Ladasomething that I don't like about them and I just can't stop like I I just have to stop and but they're already like into me. >> Mhm. >> And I can't like get rid of them.

Brian Atlas[laughter] What do you mean you can't get rid of them? >> Oh, uh, hey, hey, it was, uh, it was really nice to meet you, but, you know, I'm just not sure if it's the right fit. Uh, I hope you I wish you the best in what you're looking for. That's it.

LadaThat's all you have to say. >> I think I'm too insecure to like actually go out like that. Be like, hey, you know what? Okay, all of this, it doesn't matter to me, you know, like bye. I can I like I >> You don't say that, but you say, well,

Brian Atlasthat essentially what I say, hey, listen, it was really nice meeting you. you seem like a great person, but I don't I just don't think it's the right fit. Um, I wish you good luck in what you're looking for. That's in essence what you're saying.

Brian Atlas>> No, that's that's what I I would say like when I was like 14. That's what I would say. >> So, you were more mature at 14 than you are currently. >> Oh, >> so what do you just keep them? You

Brian Atlasstring them along now? 14. Communication. Hey, the Russians you give communication. the Americans, you string

Brian Atlasthem along in your Russian honey honeypot essentially. Um, but okay. So, uh, the three guys who are in the picture, are any of them living in LA? >> Oh, yeah. Mhm.

Lada>> Okay. And how long have they been in the picture for? >> Um, one of them's been in the picture for two years. The other one's been in the

Ladapicture for like half a year, maybe like six months. Yeah. And the third one's been in the picture for three or >> three years. Which one's the New York

Brian Atlasguy? >> The New York guy is the one that been in the picture for a year. >> Wait, so you said one year, half a year, and three years? >> Yeah. >> And you all met them on dating apps? >> No, actually. No.

Lada>> How old are the guys? >> Um, I don't know. Hold on. I think one of them is How old is he? Okay. The one from New York is 23.

LadaHey, I hope they they're not watching this. Okay. Um, the one from LA also 23. And the one who

Ladawho's the who's known me for three years is is uh 31. >> And how old are you now? >> She's 18. >> Okay. So

Brian Atlas>> So at 15 she Jeez. Oh my god. Yikes. Uh, how did But you were living in Arizona 3 years ago, correct? >> Yeah. >> So then how

Brian Atlashow did a 20 at the time I suppose you would have been what 28? How does a 28-year-old mean a 15year-old living with her Russian parents in Arizona as a

Ladanew immigrant? >> Actually very weird. Okay. I was living in Arizona, but I used to fly to LA just to I was trying to like get probably like get into the the industry. So, I

Ladawas like flying back and forth. I mean, Tucson's kind of close in like an hour flight. >> Yeah, it's a short flight. >> So, I just like do gigs here, fly back and forth, um work in LA and then fly back to Arizona, then work in LA and

Ladaback to Arizona. And we kind of met through I think it was like an acting gig. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And so wait and just remind me there's a one-year guy, a six-month guy, and a three-year guy. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And you haven't had sex with any

Ladaof them? >> No, I I No, I stay away from people kind of. >> Wait, so yes, you have had sex with them? >> No. No. I'm I'm like avoidant. Like I avoidant.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Like >> So you've been How often would you say you see these guys? >> Um >> Do you live with one of them? >> No, not anymore.

Lada>> You were living with one in LA? >> I used to live with one in LA and one in New York. >> So they would the New York guy would fly you out? >> No, he wouldn't fly me out, but I was just like it would be convenient because

Brian AtlasI would have a place to stay. So you would pay for your own flights >> to New York unless you had a gig and the company paid for it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So,

Brian Atlasum I'm trying to get a a read on this. So, you've had not to mention the other men on your roster, some of which I assume have come and gone. So, at other points maybe you had different men on the

Brian Atlasroster, but currently the roster stands at eight. There's three guys in the picture. You've been with three uh well, one of them for six months, one of them for a year, one of them for three years.

Brian AtlasUh [sighs] and you haven't had sex with any of them. What are they what exact I guess what are they getting out of the

Brian Atlasrelationship? >> I I'm trying to I don't know. Like I I guess I'm just a nice person to be around. [laughter] Yeah, but I mean I mean look, you're an attractive gal and

Brian AtlasI mean you seem pleasant. Although uh pleasantness kind of dissipates quite quickly if your attention is shared unless they're cucks, which I'm going to

Brian Atlasassume is the case because no man who's I mean well it's actually can be quite shocking what men are when they have

Brian Atlasforsaken all standards will do. But uh no man should really be tolerating and dating a girl for this period of time and she's not exclusive to him.

Brian AtlasHey, you're not having sex. That's okay. But you're not exclusive. What are these guys even getting? They're just paying for your [ __ ] >> Um well, honestly,

Ladait's more like I don't know. For me, they feel like friends and they take it like too serious because I I just think everyone takes me too serious, but I

Ladacan't be serious. I just I just can't make myself be serious with someone. I feel like I'm focused more on like I don't know, career, music, and I can't like force my whole attention on a

Katieperson and like on a guy like he's like, "Oh, you know, like let's do this, do that." Like I I I don't know. I cannot. Do you feel like it's more entertainment

Katiefor all parties? Like you're just kind of hanging out. You're just like whatever and not an actual relationship or are these like actual relationships? Do these guys think that they're in an

Alisa Tresenovactual relationship with you? >> I Okay. They think they are in an actual relationship, but I don't trust them. So, you didn't necessarily establish

Alisa Tresenovwhat they're going to get out of this at the start, like you say, at this when you meet them, you're like, "Hey, I'm not interested in this or that. I'm just trying to do me or whatever." Have you

Ladalike ever had that conversation? >> I never stated that because I'm not clear with myself. Like, I can't scan myself say, "Okay, you know, like I I know that I'm not going to be paying

Ladaattention to you, so bye." That's also not an option because I never know. Maybe someone comes around and I like feel something and I'm like, "Wow, okay, let's date." But >> are they aware that you're dating other

Brian Atlasmen? >> No. >> So, wait, wait, hold on. Are you telling them that you're boyfriend girlfriend to

Ladathe guys, the three guys or whatever? >> Uh, yeah. I mean, two two of them. Do you guys kiss? Do you guys do anything? >> We kiss. Yeah, we kiss.

Katie>> I do want to say there are men out there that are open to a polygamous relationship and you can be honest with them and just have that if that's what

Katieyou want instead of lying. Because in general, I think that like we attract who we are. And so, you're only going to keep attracting people that are also like probably lying to you about

Ladasomething. And at the end of the day, it can end up putting you in a bad space. >> Honestly, that made sense. I have to think about

Ladathat because I I think I just have like huge trust issues. Like I can have like I can have a person like around me, but I could never let them like actually I

Ladadon't know like if they want to have sex with me, it's a it's a whole different thing. like I'm going to look at them from a different aspect and I'm going to

Brian Atlasprobably like give them time or just >> I mean but do you have do you have sex with any of these guys? >> Not recently. I mean

Brian Atlas>> no well okay so there's the three guys. Have you maybe you're not having sex with them currently which is curious but have you had sex with them at some point? >> Not with those. Not with a three, but

Brian Atlasthen >> men who are transient on your roster, >> you have had sex with. >> Yeah. >> So, just to be clear, the men who are

Brian Atlasseem most serious about you, who have been with you despite your divided attention for 6 months, one year, three years, they don't get sex. But there are

Brian Atlasmen who just get it instantly or quick. Is that my >> understand >> honestly? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that sounds like >> like Have you had a like with a Have you had a hookup with like a hot dude or something?

Lada>> Yeah. >> Hookups in LA with hot guys, celebrities. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> No, honestly, no. Not Not in like I had

Ladaone in Vegas, but not in >> with a celebrity or just a guy who was hot. Um, he's not so much of a well maybe like a partial celebrity. I don't

Brian Atlasknow how to like think about it. >> Athlete, musician, actor, YouTuber, creator, >> musician, >> musician, rapper >> kind of. Yeah. >> Yeah. Hold on. Let me play this. Sorry for the delay, Matt. And then we'll get

SPEAKER_00right back. >> Metro donated $200. FBI and CIA rubbing their hands together watching this show. Share two. How have you only lived in the US 2 years but

Brian Atlasknown someone for three? Brian call on this trol. >> Wait, so just for the timeline as a reminder, you moved to the United States when you were 16. >> 16. Um,

Lada>> so you've been here for what? >> Let's do the math. So I'm 18, but my birthday is in three two and a half months. So I'm almost 19. Hold on. That

Ladameans I made a mistake in my [snorts] All right. I moved. Okay, let's be clear everyone. >> What year did you move to the United States? >> 2020 23.

Brian Atlas>> 2023. Okay. >> It was Septemberish. >> Okay. Uh, yeah. And the New York guy is the three-year guy.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Or wait, I don't. >> So, okay. Wait, hold on. September 2023. Is this like legit or are you just making this [ __ ] up? Okay. Um,

Brian Atlas>> it's a lot to keep up with. >> Yeah, it's a lot of details. Um, [sighs and gasps]

Brian AtlasI'm just shocked that these guys you allege have been dating

Brian Atlasyou for a a year, 3 years, 6 months that they are you uh have you told them that you're a virgin?

Brian Atlas>> I uh I'm not a virgin. >> No, but have you told them that like you know? Um, no. Oh, honestly, no, probably not. >> Oh, okay.

Brian AtlasDamn. Okay. All right. Uh, well, uh, I'll have some further thoughts on that in a moment, but first I want to let everybody else introduce their or share their relationship status. What about you? >> I'm single.

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> For how long? >> Um, for about two years now. Longest relationship >> was two years about. >> Who broke up with who?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Um, we were like on and off in those two years. So, um, the ultimate like off period was done by me though. >> Gotcha. All right. So, you've been single for two years. Any guys in the picture?

Courtney King / Jamie / Ava>> Um, >> talking to situationship. >> Yeah, there's one >> one guy talking stage situationship. talking stageish like in the very beginning. >> How long? >> Like literally very beginning like a

Courtney King / Jamie / Avaweekish. >> You've been talking to him for one week. >> We've been talking for more than a week as friends, but we've been like talking to be more than friends for a week.

Alisa Tresenov>> Gotcha. What about you? >> I am single soon. 7 months. >> Okay. Longest relationship? >> A year. >> Is that the one that ended seven months ago? >> Yeah.

Alisa Tresenov>> Who broke up with who? He did. He broke up with me. >> Why is that? >> Um, he said that it was a distance thing. We were a long-distance relationship. Okay.

Alisa Tresenov>> He lived in Mass. He lives in Massachusetts. I live in Jersey. And he couldn't he didn't have enough patience to wait for me to save up a little bit

Alisa Tresenovmore so that I could move to Massachusetts with him. And uh there were I think like us being freelancers in the film and TV industry

Alisa Tresenovand it's being tough right now. I I think he kind of took his frustrations out of struggling with work out on our relationship and um he just didn't want to step out

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