1v1 DEBATE: Andrew Wilson vs. Marxist Anti-Trump Feminist | Whatever Debates #11
Date: 2025-03-16
Duration: 7h 34m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_05Miss Kenzie(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:09
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Miss Kenzie on feminism
00:35:40
Key MomentAndrew's slavery hypothetical: if all men decided to enslave women, women could not resist
02:07:00
ControversyAndrew admits waking wife with sex. Kenzie classifies as rape.
03:17:00
Key MomentAndrew cites USSR: fully legal abortion led to 3 abortions per 1 live birth
04:58:20
Key MomentAndrew presses Kenzie on body count. She repeatedly refuses. 'If it doesn't matter why won't you tell?'
06:31:40
Key MomentKenzie's TikTok: Whatever deliberately books unprepared women against prepared conservatives to humiliate them
Topics Discussed
00:07:00
Feminism vs Marxism
Andrew: first-wave feminism fed women into capitalism, contradicting Marxism. Kenzie distinguishes liberal from Marxist feminism.
00:35:00
Force Doctrine
Andrew: men's biological physical superiority = monopoly on force. Slavery hypothetical.
02:07:00
Sexual Consent
Andrew admits waking wife with sex. Kenzie classifies as rape under FRIES model. Both agree holding down = rape.
03:05:00
Abortion
Kenzie: no restrictions all 9 months. Andrew cites USSR 3:1 abortion ratio. Semantic bait-and-switch debate.
04:05:00
Purity Culture and Virginity
Andrew: virgins report highest marital satisfaction. Kenzie refuses to disclose body count.
06:26:40
Whatever Podcast Misogyny TikTok
Brian plays Kenzie's TikTok calling Whatever a misogynistic abuse space. Brian refutes: 15% OF guests, women reach out.
07:17:30
Closing Statements
Andrew: proprietary definitions. Kenzie: precise terminology, restorative justice.
Transcript
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05:41:34
Miss Kenziein children is what I'm saying yeah but this communities 300 million person community sure I mean again I'm not necessarily just uh you know when we talk about communities like obviously I'm an American but I don't have
05:41:47
Miss KenzieCommunity with people in New York you have Community with obviously your close Inner Circle and I think with like capitalism and patriarchy and kind of
05:41:56
Miss Kenziethis idea of nuclear family it's really um hyperfocused individualism and taking it from Community which is why the nuclear family is so popular in
05:42:07
Miss Kenziethese um prescriptions of you know Mom Dad and child it's not multigenerational it's not extended family do you think most women would
05:42:18
Miss Kenziecare um that that's really irrelevant because I I could just say again it's because of these social purviews do you think it's because of social purviews or because women want really yeah so you think that if there if there was a
05:42:30
Miss Kenziedifferent social purview women would not care to know if it was their actual off I don't think that we just have like necessarily these innate sense when it comes to preferences our brain is a is a
05:42:40
Miss Kenziesocial organ and so it responds to our environment and I think if we had maybe um you know different structures then
05:42:50
Miss Kenzieyeah like like just we can talk about the food that you eat um obviously your preferences on food that you like are depending on your culture I mean I I
05:43:01
Miss Kenziehate um veggie Mite where a lot of Australians like it because that's their culture and it's something that they were um you know something that they were a part of through a long line does
05:43:14
Andrew Wilsonthat mean that they were born liking veggie might well I mean from an evolutionary model yes right everything everything up to the point the first Vite sandwich was made was every every
05:43:25
Miss Kenziefraction of evolution which led to the point that that sandwich was made so everything was selected for up until the point of that sandwich uh again I think it's just based on like you know if I were born in
05:43:37
Miss KenzieAustralia I would have more likely than everything in Australia was selected for for the greatest amount of survival based on Evolution uh again again I I don't think you're born with these innate things
05:43:48
Andrew Wilsonlike even um then what is natural selection it's like it's selecting out traits that are bad traits right sure traits for
05:43:58
Miss Kenziesurvival but traits aren't necessarily like women have children with poor Partners all the time that's true so so I mean it doesn't it's not this
05:44:10
Andrew Wilsoninnate that would make evidence for innate of for for like the idea of survival like the the bad boy things like this that would actually make the case for that better for selection
05:44:22
Andrew Wilsonagainst modernity right so like women make poor mate selection when it comes to oh he's a big buff Chad but he's an [ __ ] right um no I I could say that my selection failed me which I I would think would be the
05:44:35
Andrew Wilsonprescriptions that you would would ass sign yeah so what okay that when you when you're talking about women making bad choices when it comes to men they're often making choices based around the fact that they think this guy's a good
05:44:47
Miss Kenzieprotector these are all things that move into that right and they're innate I don't know if I've ever evaluated a man on his ability to protect me but you wouldn't need to it's an Nate uh then no so so you're saying
05:44:59
Andrew Wilsonwomen who marry abusers it's their fault well I'm saying that there has to be some kind of conditionals inside of women for why they're attracted to [ __ ] jerks and they seem to be really
05:45:10
Miss Kenzieattracted to jerks so you're saying that women innately know an abuser and what do you mean an abuser what's an abuser uh smack physically physically violent yeah yeah I don't think that they're
05:45:23
Miss Kenzieselecting for physical violence towards them but a man who's capable of physical violence towards other men well I mean you said that women want protectors and that we can identify
05:45:33
Miss Kenzieprotectors but obviously the the that most assault women are the quote unquote protectors that's [ __ ] it's absolutely not bull why what makes them protectors if they're
05:45:45
Miss Kenzieassaulting women well that's the role that they were supposed to like when we look at um who the protectors are it's supposed to be male family members and partners and these are the most likely
05:45:56
Andrew Wilsonpeople to assault women oh okay so what so how how does a woman delineate between this is a protector and an abuser they would just use whatever the phenotypical expressions were that they
05:46:07
Andrew Wilsoninnately thought led to a good outcome for reproduction that would be the evolutionary view so the phenotypical expression of like he's well chiseled he looks good I just want to make sure I understand so when women get married and
05:46:20
Andrew Wilsonthen experience domestic violence they knew he was an abuser before it I already told you no multiple times then then evolutionary fail it takes nothing
05:46:30
Andrew Wilsonaway from my point so well no Evolution so Evolution right now would lead to modernity you agree with that right every point of selection
05:46:41
Andrew Wilsonselected out traits which did did not lead to modernity okay you agree that that's true sure okay so there could be holdover traits that women have and men
05:46:52
Andrew Wilsonhave when it comes to the idea of mate selection you agree that that's true too right they just haven't been selected out of the gene pool yet um
05:47:09
Andrew WilsonI guess we would need to like identify what these traits are just that there could be traits which are holdovers from like well 10,000 years ago because evolution is a really slow process over
05:47:21
Andrew Wilsonan a long period of time 10,000 years ago this was a really useful trait now it's not a really useful trait and it hasn't been selected out yet okay due to technology you can agree that there's probably plenty of hold over traits like
05:47:33
Andrew Wilsonthat sure okay so one of them would be a phenotypical expression towards an aggressive male right this person would be capable of protecting you or capable of advanced violence things like this doesn't mean that you assume that
05:47:44
Andrew Wilsonthey're going to beat you up I don't know where you keep coming up with that but uh the just the idea that based on whatever the perceived attractive phenotypical expressions are oh women like really tall men why I mean that's
05:47:57
Andrew Wilsoncross-cultural they seem to be attracted to men who are taller than them why well I think on average men are taller than women yeah but why do they want men to be taller than them
05:48:07
Andrew WilsonI I would just say that would be gender affirming even though it's cross-cultural yeah okay so is everything is there any innate characteristics human beings have from
05:48:20
Miss Kenziean evolutionary standpoint I mean you you would have to establish to me what would be human nature and what so I I do think and again like are you arguing bioessentialism well from an
05:48:31
Miss Kenzieevolutionary standpoint yeah it is it is essentialism yeah I mean even evolutionary psychology doesn't argue bioessentialism but uh bio uh biological influence what is biological
05:48:42
Andrew Wilsonessentialism essentially that behaviors and traits are predetermined no I think Evolution always argues from a sense of predeterminism has to no because you're
05:48:54
Miss Kenzieuh like I'm sure you've heard of epigenetic effects there's also biosocial models but no even uh evolutionary psychology does not argue for bioessentialism but bio influence so
05:49:05
Andrew Wilsonwhat arguing what I'm arguing to you right now is that you're going to have traits which have been selected for right like hands you have hands I do have hands yes
05:49:17
Andrew Wilsonyeah were that was that selected for what do you mean was that selected natural selection right meaning this species dies this species doesn't die right through that through that uh
05:49:29
Andrew Wilsontheory of natural selection eventually we came to you have hands right that is a trait you were born with you do have sure adaptation yeah like you don't have fins I don't have fins no okay so you
05:49:41
Andrew Wilsonhave hands because of all of the traits selected out that weren't your hands okay so then there there has to be some type of essentialism to that
05:49:51
Miss Kenzieright um I mean I guess you're talking about uh like certain biological features but we're also talking about behaviors right and yeah I don't see why you wouldn't have innate traits that
05:50:04
Miss Kenziewere geared towards survival and behavior like prove like how you would prove the nature of human behavior the nature of it m or just traits that human beings seem to be
05:50:16
Andrew Wilsondriving towards yeah how do you know that these aren't culturally driven traits that these are just Name by taking other cultures and seeing if cultures that don't have I mean obvious Hang On by
05:50:28
Miss Kenzietaking other cultures that don't have contact with each other uh or didn't have contact with each other but we see the same types of Trends but were all those uh cultures or all those communities within the same certain time
05:50:39
Miss Kenzieperiod no you can do a cross time period I mean I I don't think that that study was done through a cross I didn't say there was a study you asked how that could be done I told you I I don't think um like obviously the conditions that
05:50:52
Miss Kenzieone Community is subjected to and a pre uh pre-industrialized uh Community is going to be different than one that is industrialized and has different resources so it's hard to say like what
05:51:04
Miss Kenziethe nature would be without account for the environmental influence and the strategies that come along with it which is why we would take a look at different cultures over different time periods and then if we found that there was oh I
05:51:16
Andrew Wilsondon't know something that they all kind of did based on the specific sex that they had we would be able to make better determinations of things which were do you have something you're referencing yeah there's all sorts of studies on this okay I would love Yeah
05:51:28
Andrew Wilsonanthropological studies when it it comes to uh Evo psych which is now a big deal and I'm not an evolutionary guy I don't even believe in evolution but I can still make I can still make the argument from The evolutionary side of your
05:51:40
Andrew Wilsonworldview that there should be you shouldn't have any problem with the fact that human beings you tra think women are more empathetic than men no no okay never have okay let's uh let a couple chats come
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SPEAKER_00$69 men evolve to spread genes maximizing Offspring women seek long-term support to ensure child survival com balances this giving men
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Brian Atlaspaternity certainty and women stability for raising kids yeah it says marriage yeah not monogamy right my bad uh okay so we have thank youo tagged we got
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Miss Kenziehis that's for you I think um I mean again community uh survival you you obviously get benefits for your from your community and you would want your
05:54:41
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SPEAKER_00them all apart from each other by using their surnames so as to not complicate things do you have five children I do not oh I don't know she has one okay BL
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SPEAKER_00thank you man Christopher Murphy donated $69 I'm from Las Cruses New Mexico and I can tell you are drier than the
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Brian Atlashi Rachel and Andrew thanks for letting me know details about your you read that one oh it did okay so I might have oh I missed excuse me I missed Lucas's Lucas
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Brian AtlasI apologize streamlabs got bugged men are hardwired for 100,000 years towards a subconscious revoltion against female
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Brian Atlaspromiscuity this is settled stock excuse me studied by Dr bus across 37 cultures stop with these social constructionist
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Miss Kenzie[ __ ] do you want to respond to Lucas um I mean in some of the uh sources like it does reference Dr buson
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Miss Kenzieagain he's not arguing uh bioessentialism but just bio influence and again when when obviously he's evaluating cultures these are going to be cultures with historic record and a
05:57:21
Miss Kenzielot of the cultures that I'm talking about might not have written historical record but do know delineate it from from artifacts um from fossils yeah
05:57:31
Andrew Wilsonartifacts and fossils aren't going to be able to demonstrate that that how How could an artifact or fossil absent a a record I mean if you find Pottery where
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Miss Kenzieum like there are female figurines intermitted as as goddesses and they're pictured with multiple males that doesn't prove [ __ ] with ch that literally doesn't prove anything it's
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Miss Kenziejust a pot that has some you have no context for it I mean I how else can we determine how Society happened without some kind of men and women working
05:58:07
Miss Kenzietogether to build society and then the limitation of knowing how specific biological functions work I think that all of that comports
05:58:16
Andrew Wilsonto exactly what he's saying when it comes to the idea of monogamy and not
05:58:22
Miss Kenziesharing women yeah I think um monogamy was originated um when we came back when
05:58:32
Andrew Wilsonessentially like Agriculture and property became valuable yeah I agree in modernity right well no it existed long before that by the way like in medieval
05:58:42
Andrew WilsonEurope and due to religion and due to Judaism and due post post what post property and agriculture yeah well I thought you were I think I thought you were referencing Industrial Revolution
05:58:53
Miss Kenziesorry no okay just agriculture just agriculture in general yeah the domestication of animals um we don't even know when that happened I mean it it again it depends on what culture but
05:59:05
Andrew Wilsonyou yeah that that's roughly about 8,000 we don't know that we don't know when agriculture happened like we just talking about the ability of humanity to grow a
05:59:16
Miss Kenzieplant um I mean to create crops like obviously there's a difference between hunter gatherer societies and excuse me moving to agriculture yeah but animal husbandry could be you know 50,000 years
05:59:28
Andrew Wilsonold we have no idea how old animal husbandry is uh we we do have theory on it Theory yeah it's exactly what it is is Theory yeah gravity is Theory no that's different so there's a force
05:59:41
Andrew Wilsoneffect we can at least see that we call gravity that's not theoretical right but right but you still can't see gravity yeah right but we can't really make the determination of animal husbandry we can
05:59:52
Andrew Wilsonmake the determination of modern animal husbandry like when that became a a mainstream may stay based on literature but I mean we don't we don't really know we don't really know when like people
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Miss Kenziestarted growing plants how would you even determine that um I mean I don't know the methodological like process of how we would determine that but there um obviously are like Pine and and nyine
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Andrew Wilsonepochs where where we have evidence on what is occurring within that within that time period yeah but I mean it's not so like this guy he points out he
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Andrew Wilsonsays every culture which is studied cross culturally which is what I came up with on the fly right just to to demonstrate how you could demonstrate this but he said the same thing what cultures he's like there's 37 different
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Miss Kenziecultures that we looked at men are hardwired yeah but again to spread their genes and women the methodology is it during a certain time period he said it it was across multiple time periods I don't think he said that and multiple cultures I think he just said multiple
06:00:52
Andrew Wilsoncultures I don't think he mentioned anything about time perod didn't you say that this guy Dr bus is that his name I don't know who he is right but didn't you just I think it's Dr David bus yeah didn't you just get done saying that he's referenced in a lot of these early anthropological studies no he's he's
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Andrew Wilsonreferenced in evolution psychology oh evolutionary psychology okay so anthrop anthropological studies you think actually demonstrate to you that men were not hardwired to spread their
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Miss Kenziegenes um not through like the mechanism of monogamy no I didn't say through monogamy just wired to spread their
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Miss Kenziegenes um I mean I I think primates are like engag in sex sure so men are wired to spread their genes and in in primate
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Andrew Wilsonculture what do women do do you thinken women don't like have a desire to have sex no I do but his point was to say that women select for a single
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Andrew Wilsonman so they want a single man there for the purpose of protection and things like this not men women well again Community can offer you protection that's not what he's saying claiming the
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Andrew Wilsonstudy say well I mean if you want to talk about the study we can yeah I mean I'd like it linked at least okay but yeah I I've never heard of such a thing
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Andrew WilsonI don't think that there are societies filled to the brim with uh women goddesses who are basically having sex with uh who whatever man they wanted to
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Miss Kenzielike that wasn't the case okay yeah I don't think it was the case basically anymore from from my reading there were um just before there was written history
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Miss Kenzieright I mean there there is some evidence but uh of like female goddesses prior to to patriarchal ones and that they essentially rep uh represented the
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Andrew Wilsongood mother uh fertility sexuality and War yeah okay but we're not talking about that about goddesses we're talking about women having big sex festivals
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Miss Kenziewhere the men aren't interested in the paternity because they want to share based on the community um well yeah like again I I don't know why it's so
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Miss Kenziefarfetched to say that there were civilizations um that you you know thought that didn't understand the contributions um that men had towards uh
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Miss Kenziereproduction or that didn't understand that just even a single encounter could lead to pregnancy uh I I would even say from yeah that has nothing to do even if they
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Miss Kenziedidn't understand the mechanism even a lot of seen would create the the maximum outcome of pregnancy and so multiple men would be invested in in fulfilling that
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Andrew Wilsonneed you think the ancient world didn't didn't know that that the penis going in the vagina led to a child because that's a his obviously think there's a certain
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Miss Kenzieum yeah I mean I I think there are s certain civilizations um not the major ones major civilizations knew it at least the ones we got record of okay well I mean if you have some kind of
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Miss Kenzieevidence that talks about uh prehistoric cultures I'd love to see it well okay again the major cultures we have evidence of I'm happy to give you my sources you can give me your sources I
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Andrew Wilsonthink we're kind of beating a dead horse okay well I mean I just don't understand I have prehistorical non-written sources that demonstrate that men didn't know this but in the written record they did know this it's really weird to me it's
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Brian Atlasjust like conjecture all right uh so here's what we're going to do there's like one or two other super quick things we're going to do I'm going to let some chats come
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SPEAKER_00through and Lucas donated 69 I literally told you that the 37 culture study included secluded tribes in the Amazon and papular New Guinea and before
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SPEAKER_00you dismiss Dr bus know that he is the most by far cited scientist in this area response or I don't have anything okay uh thank you Lucas for the message
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SPEAKER_00I apologize that your message from like an hour ISO uh fell off we have blaest blaest donated $70 Andrew just because you can't
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SPEAKER_00actually see her point doesn't mean she might not theoretically have won that's true she might theoretically have one just cuz I can't see it all right we have
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Brian Atlasuh Lucas again coming in blaest really good to see you man thank you so much for your streamlabs message if you guys want to get one in streamlabs.com Lucas donated
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SPEAKER_00$69 yes Dopey do his multiple studies included an access for mating preferences across /ht do your damn homework before you perpetually keep
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Brian Atlascredibility I I don't have anything okay uh I I do have a quick question for you we won't Linger on it for too long I I think anyways uh would you rather cross
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Brian Atlaspaths with a bear a random men or random bear in the woods
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Miss Kenzieum I mean I live in Montana so I have come across Paths of um with with bears h i i I think it would be context dependent for me I
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Brian Atlaswould be really nervous being alone with a man well here's here how about this context so you randomly spawn in the woods and then you have two buttons that also randomly spawn you can press the
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Brian Atlasone that spawns a random men or you press the one that spawns a random bear it would be a random adult man from the United States or a random adult
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Brian Atlasbear uh of any bear species in the United States okay bear bear okay Okay uh there is a follow-up
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SPEAKER_00question from double agent agent donated $20 agent question for the feminist would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or in alone in a public bathroom with a mentally ill man
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Miss Kenziepretending to be a woman I assume there they're asking me if I would rather be alone with a CIS man or a
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Brian Atlastranswoman uh alone in the woods with a man or alone in a public bathroom with a trans woman is that what they're asking I believe that's what they're asking yes oh I'd rather be in the bathroom with
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SPEAKER_00the transom okay we have two here Edwin braer donated $269 I've watching this whole debate and
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SPEAKER_00I never heard her stance on anything it always changes and just depends on something she never argued anything and stuck with it classic Andrew W love you it's true it's like a tu of toothpaste
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Miss Kenziesqueeze here it moves there squeeze there it moves here I mean I do think morality can be very context dependent like we've talked about in like the aspects of killing like is killing wrong obviously there's going to be instances where it's Justified and not
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Brian AtlasAndrew now I do um you heard that from the same place you heard I didn't have any biological kids Andrew for you're going to be on I think both of you actually are going to be on our dating talk panel tomorrow
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Brian Atlasever I hate it what what about a singular slice of pineapple it doesn't have to be pineapple pizza dude are you upset your consent isn't being respected so gross you know no you know Andrew no
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SPEAKER_03leave me out be in the woods oh boy uh thank you uh bear in the woods I appreciate it is that a common commenter uh be in the woods yeah no I think it's
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SPEAKER_00no I don't I don't know who that is20 no I haven't seen it do either of you believe in aliens I don't I I mean I wouldn't discount the existence what the
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Andrew Wilsonit runs into ferm's Paradox I just I don't think I don't think so yeah do you guys think Mark Zuckerberg is a alien maybe or I've read uh he's one of the
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SPEAKER_00lizard people I don't know yeah that's actually true though what's wrong with your head donated $220 saying women using formula is just as good as breastfeeding is insanity a mother's
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SPEAKER_00breast milk is formulated specifically for their baby and changes during growth spts and illnesses day/ night oh yeah she knows she breastfed I mean she
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Brian Atlaswasn't going to feed with no formula I did say breastfeeding is optimal did this one from Lucas come through I'm pretty sure did the did this
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Brian Atlascome through 16 yeah uh we have Gambit here who is about to come in with a message guys if you
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SPEAKER_00that maybe that's just okay anyways um Gambit Gambit Gambit where's G 20 not surprised she's divorced uh is she aware of the statistics regarding children
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Miss Kenziegrowing up in a single mother home versus two parents versus single father quick response to this if you'd like um I mean I wouldn't necessarily constitute myself as a single mother um his dad is
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Miss Kenzieis very much involved and we have joint custody equal joint custody um I mean if we're also going to talk about like the outcomes of children there is a meta analysis that discusses
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Miss Kenziesamesex relationships have uh equal or better outcomes as heterosexual parents I think we just need to look at um like what kind of community the single mother
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Brian Atlashas what kind of access she has to to money so on and so forth got it okay and then uh Blake can I have you pull this up I think it'd be better to just do uh pull up the video cuz we're going to
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Brian Atlasreact to one of your videos about the whatever podcast oh great uh better to do it now than on The Dating talk panel I think you got to stay for this I'm going
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SPEAKER_02to have a smoke while you into it oh is this where you we'll wait I've seen it no I know but we'll uh this is you shame the sex worker
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Brian Atlasright shame yeah you call her a degenerate we'll get into it in just a moment well here we'll wait for Andrew to get back but uh let me see if there's
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Brian AtlasI'm going to let some of these come through let me see what we have here uh one sec guys uh oh okay Stiffler Stiffler donated
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SPEAKER_00$19.99 ask the panel to rate their looks on a scale from 1 to 10 excluding seven do you want to start do us the
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Brian Atlashonors uh yeah one one okay cool I give myself a five I give myself a five Andrew tends to give himself a 10 so all
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Brian Atlasright you know I don't know if there's any debate there on that we have come on wait what the heck oh we got this one
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SPEAKER_00bathroom for the message appreciate ran is donated $20 let this debate be evidence that Andrew does in fact match
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SPEAKER_00energy if they're civil with him he's civil back [ __ ] the haters Brian maybe I missed it but why did you cut Tuesday
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Brian Atlasshows uh Tuesday so I mean pretty much couple reasons couple reasons uh primarily just in terms of the longevity
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Brian Atlaslongevity is that the word I thought you did offer Tuesdays yes well I thought I mispronounced it longevity I don't know uh if I were to continue doing two shows a week of
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Brian Atlasthe dating talk I'd probably this would be the last year of doing the show and then I'd be done with it uh I think I can continue the show indefinitely if I do it just once a week so I know uh I
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Brian Atlasknow some of you looked forward to the two shows a week but I just thought hey you know one show week's a little more uh feasible so that's why the decision was made not to rule out that it
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Andrew Wilsoncouldn't we could return to doing Tuesday uh Tuesday shows two shows a week too but you're going to eat it pour them in oh wait what pour him in pour him in pour him in whoa whoa who I did agree that I would [ __ ] do I'm not
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Andrew Wilsongoing to break my word all right did he I did I agreed to you I would do it here let me hide this so after they pour it in though they have to pour it in they to pour how much do they have to pour in
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Andrew WilsonI want to see $1,000 a pour in $20 $20 chat just roasting the [ __ ] out of Brian roast the [ __ ] out of that's damn if I got dude if I got to suffer you got to suffer wait hold on
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SPEAKER_00I'm going to let these these come in though wait what did I oh I paused it that's why jjk donated $20 put this in the YouTube by mistake where at in Montana KS I bet you you
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Andrew Wilsoneat the pineapple pizza you lose I've been officially social shamed into taking a bite to this pineapple pizza you don't have to I don't have to yep
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SPEAKER_00but now I'm kind of hungry want to the 51 donated $20 the only reason you're getting this is because mystery bailed Andrew checks in the mail I like this
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SPEAKER_00love kit is not effective in determining between actual Love and Other causes of penetrative trauma like accidentally grabbing the wrong size gingerly in the
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Brian Atlasdark I'm not sure what what is a love kit I don't know okay great got I'm not alone in that all right um let's see here uh
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SPEAKER_00sorry guys one sec while I get these pulled up are you20 I've asked guests before but
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SPEAKER_00perhaps she may know does liberalism cause mental illness or is it the other way around on top of the I mean I've said before I'm not a liberal
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Miss Kenzieoh leftist uh LEF yes I guess it depends on how we're defining liberalism I don't know why there's $20 Andrew
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SPEAKER_00thoughts on the upcoming release of Red Dead Redemption 3 I haven't seen a release dat on that yo Chris thank you so much for the
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SPEAKER_00uh I don't know what donated $20 when you have a society full of Andrews you get a first world country when you have a society full of
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SPEAKER_00feminists you get population collapse inflation Mental Health crisis Etc
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SPEAKER_00Pizza Source donated $20 thank you Pizza as a conservative myself with Traditional Values Andrew Wilson is the absolute worst debater there is on all
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SPEAKER_00these platforms he is an embarrassment okay Olivia donated $20 I'm sorry Jess my hate and insecurities got the best of me just
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SPEAKER_00like high school did H who is Jess I'm I not sure
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SPEAKER_00okay Noah donated $20 Brian what's your burrito body count I've had probably a th000 burritos my entire
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Brian Atlassyrup lover eat it it is eat it it's Hawaiian style pizza Hawaiian style
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SPEAKER_00pizza there's a weird delay on this if anyone wants to know the definition of catfishing check the thumbnail for this video and then check the people in the
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SPEAKER_00studio I promise I'm only talking about Andrew Brian show us that dumpy whoa that's crazy I mean I I you my picture that you took was already edited it seemed like you edited it
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Brian Atlasmore I appreciate that you didn't do me dirty though we used generative fill in Adobe Photoshop boosted the exposure boosted
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SPEAKER_00the highlights boosted the midtones I think my eyelashes too we we helped out a little bit you know nothing crazy though all right
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SPEAKER_00Edwin $269 Andrew pineapple on Pizza puts hair on your arms eat a couple JK that stuff
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SPEAKER_00Edwin thank you so much man donated $20 feminist arguments all boil down to don't hurt a girl's feelings their reality and logic are based around not
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SPEAKER_00hurting a girl's feelings Lulu thank you for that Rachel Wilson donated $20 if you're s Marxist feminist why did you get married isn't
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Miss Kenziethat an oppressive institution you want to respond to that real quick um I mean at the time I got married I definitely wasn't a Marx as feminist um at that time I would say I was more liberal and
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SPEAKER_00I wouldn't even have identified as feminist all right we got grafo grafito taged donated $20 Brian
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SPEAKER_00just got to say you really pulled out all the stops moderating today you worked the Eerie hard is the sarcasm coming through on this keep up the hard
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Brian Atlaswork man it is appreciated cap everyone was it was a pretty respectful debate there wasn't much Interruption for the most part you guys let each
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Brian Atlasother talk what else is there to really do besides sit here and eat pizza while you guys talked about necrofilia and what do have you had to
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Brian Atlasmoderate debates a lot yeah he's moderated I've moderated but I'd it's better to just leave it open you want me to no I mean like have it has have you had to like step in a lot uh are there
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Brian Atlasdebates where it's been pretty bad I mean when I'm moderating or hosting the dating talk panels yes but when it's just two people talking and yeah two conducting themselves in good faith
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Brian Atlasi' you pretty much just sit there most of the time uh I don't want to be like the these debates on CNN or the presidential debates where they're just
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Brian Atlaschanging the topic every 3 minutes i' I like to let you guys just open convo CU if there had been like really heated debates where you needed to step in not word not One V one debates where I had
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SPEAKER_00no no but perhaps in the future who knows what the cards hold Elias stated $20 is this woman for real men should be
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SPEAKER_00hunky dory raising children that aren't theirs benefit to the community so any random guy is eligible to join and claim resources so what Comm is
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SPEAKER_00there shiko Z for donated $20 fine for the pineapple pizza Andrew your man milkers are almost as big as
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SPEAKER_00wasn't for patriarchy we wouldn't have the two greatest media of all time anime the Cru
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SPEAKER_00not one step back God bless is Anime uh l92 Andrew killed it effortlessly Brian is this your aunt or where did you find
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SPEAKER_00this woman she is really annoying and lame and IL equipped to debate my [ __ ] cousin let alone Andrew Wilson Noah donated $20 Noah Andrew
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Brian Atlasstopped being a puss and eat but Pizza like a man L you ah thank you Noah appreciate it we have a few more coming through here five
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SPEAKER_00biological cuckery I suppose this Airhead was happily married to a guy who gave another woman and her children all his
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SPEAKER_00money J Gerald donated $20 so to summarize she's Marxist but not really she's feminist but not really and
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SPEAKER_00every woman who woke me up with lip love is a predatory Savage what was this where are the feminist Champions pin da donated $20 Brian do a
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SPEAKER_00n dating show for a second one during the week something less stressful to book shake it up yeah whatever Wednesday whatever Wednesday maybe that'll be the
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SPEAKER_00thing Gambit 90 donated $20 the only truth she spoke tonight was her rating of one I should sue for that thumbnail straight fraud catfishing us with that
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SPEAKER_00photo of her first off how dare agent donated $19.99 are you really a feminist or is
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SPEAKER_00that just your excuse for still being alone at 40 you're not 40 right I am not 30
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Brian Atlas6 38 38 that's not 40 please we uh whoa that cup came out of nowhere guys be accurate
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Brian Atlasbe precise don't be two years is that's a big it it doesn't bother that's a lot of time okay uh here let's do the video reaction are you able to hold it for 5
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Brian Atlas10 minutes or do you really got that um I mean yeah but I I do want to go soon to the bathroom no I'm tired oh yeah we're we're like going to wrap up I just
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Brian Atlasum but do you want to use the bathroom first or here go full screen please all right go ahead and for make this conversation less boring go ahead I'm waiting how often do you think about
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Brian Atlasthe Roman Empire Brian that is that your best effort sure in any case you're not particularly adding to the conversation you've been disrespectful this entire time you're entitled you're rude you have Tik Tok brain you cannot stay focused we've only been live for an hour
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Brian Atlasand a half or so I'm going to ask you to leave okay so get up get the [ __ ] out ass podcast [ __ ] you [ __ ] do only fans you [ __ ] degenerate as if
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Miss Kenziehello and welcome to my series as if your feminist companion product to the whatever podcast as someone who has been debating feminism on Tik Tok for two years now I can see there's a very
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Miss Kenzieunique setup when it comes to men holding spaces centered around anti-feminist red pill incel or heavily religious them there are many men who hold these spaces
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Miss Kenzieso that they can have access to Abus women I think we can all agree on the setup the whatever podcast employees they'll have the host some red pillars maybe some conservative Talking Heads and then maybe some religious figures
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Miss Kenzieand these are all against of and Instagram models the only time they have women outside of that context is if they're conservative like Candace Owens or lla Rose and obviously they have the structure because their arguments will
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Miss Kenziego unchallenged or be poorly challenged and I'm not saying Instagram or of models aren't competent smart people if you don't have the experience if you don't know the arguments and if you
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Miss Kenziedon't have the information you're just not going to do well the only exception they have to this rule is Farid and our girl brings a smoke honestly don't care about the context of the video that I'm stitching because Brian's statements
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Brian Atlasmade it irrelevant he actually made a moral Claim by saying because she's an O model she's a degenerate did I say that of abuse is no I said degenerate I didn't say because she's an oh yeah
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Miss Kenziethat's true he just said you [ __ ] degenerate that implies Instagram model or a sex worker these men consider you to be on the Bottom Rung of the social hierarchy
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Miss Kenziehowever if you're on this podcast it's obvious to see that you've actually claimed some level of notoriety or economic success and within the red pillar there is a special type of anger
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Miss Kenziebecause not only do they view themselves as the oppressed gender but now they see what they View is the most degenerate social class of women even achieving High economic success which obviously
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Miss Kenziethey think is undeserving and I think why so many men are interested in this content is because it not only allows them to cosplay masculinity but essentially to correct an injustice within their own mind and I think
06:30:21
Miss Kenzietraditional masculinity is very much centered around male Supremacy so they've manufactured this system where it's very unlikely that they are going to lose as a way to prop up a facade of
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Miss Kenzieintellectual super ority and on top of that they get to humiliate and degrade the undeserving privileged class of women in a way they view that is very Justified and as someone who has been in
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Miss Kenziespaces like this with men like this not only do they justify the behavior the biggest red flag is that they enjoy
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Brian Atlasit okay um there a couple questions there sure I I think I stepped away when you specifically referenced this term abuse yeah so the clip that which and by
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Brian Atlasthe way you said you didn't care about the context at all so context doesn't matter to you um so she could have just like stabbed a family member and I call her degenerate and I'm in the wrong uh
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Miss Kenziewhen I was referencing the system of abuse I wasn't talking about that specific instance but how the podcast is structured you were reacting to the clip and
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Brian Atlassayri of the no of the overall strategy that the that the podcast employs sure so that clip in specific is not abusive or abuse uh no I
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Miss Kenziewasn't referencing that clip as abusive the specific aspect what what is abusive about the show I when we talk about when men hold red pillar spaces is this a red pill
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Miss Kenziespace red pill incel manosphere which one of okay which one of those am I um I I would say red pill what how how do you define red pill uh that women are the privileged gender
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SPEAKER_03in society that's red pill that's what red pill philosophy is is that women are the privileged gender women are the privileged gender right yeah I'll grant that I would dispute that though that
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Andrew Wilsonthat women are the privileged gender or that's what red pill is what would you consider red pill red pill is just a series of descriptors that are trying to identify the distinction between the way
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Miss Kenziewomen and men act um so so what is abusive about the
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Miss Kenzieshow um I think uh when you have a panel to discuss certain issues and then um
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Miss Kenziekind of try to humiliate them based on their career choices or based on certain aspects of moral prescriptions that that
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Brian Atlasis is a form of uh harm abuse is is anytime you disagree with somebody is that always you humiliating
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Miss Kenziethem no so what would be like an example of humiliation I mean I think calling um uh essentially when you have these
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Miss Kenziespaces to discuss certain aspects and then um essentially categorize someone as um a degenerate
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Miss Kenzieum said didn't have a problem with the clip I I mean that specific SP I I think misogyny is a form of abuse and so when
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Miss Kenzieyou're holding a space to be misogynistic and experience hostility um towards women that that that is the
06:33:45
Miss Kenziemain purpose of it can we Define misogyny first yeah uh misogyny is the uh hostility towards women and girls for stepping outside of their patriarchal prescribed
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Brian Atlasgender so what if they don't step out of their patriarchal prescribed structure but you just hate Wom women but they're like falling into the patriarchal uh expectation of women but
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Miss Kenzieyou still hate women that would not be misog I think it would be hard to quantify like how someone hates women I hate women I saying I hate do you have
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Brian Atlasto hate all women um let's say they do wait I have a question for you what if like a leftist male hated like conservative women who were Pik mes and
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Miss Kenziewho were like adhering to patriarchal expectations of women would that be misogyny um no the only exception I would give if is if they W wish them aspects of patriarchal violence so if
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Brian Atlaslike a leftist Creator what is wait what is patriarchal violence um like rape grape That Couldn't occur under a matriarchy well that could also occur
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Miss Kenziebetween two women yeah couldn't um well grape is a a form of men to assert domination over women unless it's women doing it to women right but we I'm sure
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Miss Kenziewe we both agree that that rape is a gender based crime let's try to use grae sorry rape is a gender based crime no I don't agree that that's a gender based crime um I mean we we even discussed earlier like within the military that
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Miss Kenziewomen are going to be more likely to experience grape right yeah but that's a different claim than it's gender based gender based means it affects like pregnancy is gender based that's a gender based thing that
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Miss Kenziewould be a gender based claim cuz women and girls are more disproportionately likely to experience it that's literally the definition of it when you say gender based it just means more
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Miss Kenzieof um essentially it happens to someone because they are a specific gender or it disproportionately happens to a specific gender okay so by that definition uh
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Miss Kenzieyeah I'll say that well no actually I won't even grant that so even by that definition no I don't I don't want to delineate because I do want to go soon so I just want to I am keeping it
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Miss Kenziefocused I just wanted to clarify I do think if a leftist Creator wish grape Upon a conservative woman that would count as a misogyny because it is a form
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Brian Atlasof patal gased violence okay so misogyny is not just hatred of women there's other qualifiers I I think the hatred of women
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Miss Kenzieis just a not really a good working definition because it centers the perspective of the person rather than centers the experience of women and girls and then I think we need to see
06:36:29
Miss Kenziethat it also acts as a policing Force to police women and girls Behavior to conform to a specific gender prescription okay so we're using a lot of buzzwords here we're talking about
06:36:41
Brian Atlasoppression abuse humiliation uh degrading these are things that you allege uh I do or Andrew does in general is is a misogynistic
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Brian Atlasspace yeah it's a misogynist okay so what is an example of uh something done or said that was misogynistic on this podcast I mean I I I mean what do you want me to pull up tap and point to it
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Miss Kenziejust I mean just one thing um I mean do do would you say that originally you did have uh like o girls and and Instagram models what do you mean originally I
06:37:18
Brian Atlasmean I don't know if that's your guidelines now but guidelines I mean so or who you're looking for as um dating show you know a part of your show like hold on are you saying you can only be