1v1 DEBATE: Andrew Wilson vs. Marxist Anti-Trump Feminist | Whatever Debates #11
Date: 2025-03-16
Duration: 7h 34m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_05Miss Kenzie(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:09
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Miss Kenzie on feminism
00:35:40
Key MomentAndrew's slavery hypothetical: if all men decided to enslave women, women could not resist
02:07:00
ControversyAndrew admits waking wife with sex. Kenzie classifies as rape.
03:17:00
Key MomentAndrew cites USSR: fully legal abortion led to 3 abortions per 1 live birth
04:58:20
Key MomentAndrew presses Kenzie on body count. She repeatedly refuses. 'If it doesn't matter why won't you tell?'
06:31:40
Key MomentKenzie's TikTok: Whatever deliberately books unprepared women against prepared conservatives to humiliate them
Topics Discussed
00:07:00
Feminism vs Marxism
Andrew: first-wave feminism fed women into capitalism, contradicting Marxism. Kenzie distinguishes liberal from Marxist feminism.
00:35:00
Force Doctrine
Andrew: men's biological physical superiority = monopoly on force. Slavery hypothetical.
02:07:00
Sexual Consent
Andrew admits waking wife with sex. Kenzie classifies as rape under FRIES model. Both agree holding down = rape.
03:05:00
Abortion
Kenzie: no restrictions all 9 months. Andrew cites USSR 3:1 abortion ratio. Semantic bait-and-switch debate.
04:05:00
Purity Culture and Virginity
Andrew: virgins report highest marital satisfaction. Kenzie refuses to disclose body count.
06:26:40
Whatever Podcast Misogyny TikTok
Brian plays Kenzie's TikTok calling Whatever a misogynistic abuse space. Brian refutes: 15% OF guests, women reach out.
07:17:30
Closing Statements
Andrew: proprietary definitions. Kenzie: precise terminology, restorative justice.
Transcript
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04:44:50
Miss Kenzierelationship okay or the experience of the relationship do I think if someone might have had like two or three really toxic romantic relationships they might have more baggage than someone who might
04:45:00
Miss Kenziehave like four or five one night stands because they don't have but all of them are going to have more baggage than a person who had no relationships um who's had no relationships or no sex no
04:45:12
Miss Kenzierelationships um I mean I don't know I think incels have a lot of baggage and a lot of them are virgins no no no not relationship based baggage uh what what do you mean by that
04:45:23
Andrew Wilsonlike for instance if if you're in a relationship with a man for I don't know 5 years or something like this and it ends in complete like it's just a [ __ ] disaster right it's going to
04:45:34
Andrew Wilsoncreate trauma for you right yeah okay I would prefer not to deal with that trauma and I I would say that women who experienced that trauma would not experience that trauma if they weren't
04:45:45
Andrew Wilsonin that relationship so the idea here is same thing with sex right is that the more sexual partners you have the more chance for trauma so I think it depends
04:45:55
Miss Kenziekind of again on a lot of multitud different things like um I mean here I'll give you an example I would say I had more Trauma from uh the disillusion
04:46:06
Andrew Wilsonof my marriage than I did from um all other casual relationships combined yeah that makes sense to me totally so being with a divorce would that would be trauma right that they would have more
04:46:17
Andrew Wilsonbaggage just on average than someone who wasn't a divorce I would have like a divorce bag yeah probably has more baggage and someone who's not been divorced um I mean sure I can grant that more likely
04:46:30
Andrew Wilsonso then so now we're starting to whittle down sexual selection so if we're just talking about trauma or we talking about things like this I would say that for instance is it okay for a man to have a reference not to have been not to be
04:46:42
Miss Kenziewith a woman who was graped because she doesn't want to deal with her baggage um I wouldn't necessarily place the preference on being graped but
04:46:52
Miss Kenzieessentially like their emotional state and kind of where they are within their capacity um yeah yeah it would just depend on
04:47:03
Miss Kenzieagain it's not the criteria of have they been graped or not um it's kind of where they are within you know that experience was it 10 years ago and they've really healed from that was it yesterday and
04:47:16
Andrew Wilsonyou know they're having a nervous breakdown again that would just be context dependent yeah but that baggage exists due to the fact that there was a grave and you would agree with me that I mean I think that baggage can morph itself in different formats I agreed but
04:47:29
Miss Kenziein this case it came from that so in other words I guess I'm guess I just don't think you should make assumptions on that and eval may not but do you agree with me that grape is traumatizing for women yes I think it's traumatizing
04:47:40
Andrew Wilsonfor anyone I guess not you do you think do you think that since it's traumatizing for women that men should probably look at it as a red flag if they don't want to deal with do you mean a red flag trauma they don't want to
04:47:52
Miss Kenziedeal with a woman's trauma um I mean it can certainly be like a um I'm trying to think you know like a point like something you note but I think you should be
04:48:03
Miss Kenzieevaluating um the person that you're with based on their behavior and your interaction with them not necessarily pred determined um facts and it all predetermined facts or
04:48:15
Andrew Wilsonjust some I mean they're you're going to go back I'm sure to the child molest well I'm just I'm just pointing out like the consistency aspect here it seems like it's perfectly acceptable for uh men to have preferences where they say I
04:48:28
Miss Kenzierule you out because I just don't want to deal with this ever and I mean like sure I'm not going to like force someone to be like oh no but I mean it sounds legi what's like what's illegitimate
04:48:39
Andrew Wilsonabout a man saying I want a virgin because I feel revolted when a woman's not one I think he needs to unpack why he feels revolted okay so he unpacks it and he discovers why but he still is well what's the what's the reason I
04:48:52
Andrew Wilsondon't know but whatever it is he still he knows what it is but he can't just shut it off like well maybe then he doesn't need to I mean so so what's wrong with that do you
04:49:03
Miss Kenziesupport like large age gaps sure is there any criteria not really no so you're fine
04:49:11
Brian Atlaswith a 45-year-old dating an 18-year-old yeah okay um you know we can come back to the age we we can come back to the finish this like real quick we're right
04:49:22
Andrew Wilsonthere Andrew the pineapple pizza I'm not eating it you Andrew I told you I wasn't going to eat it I'll literally throw up bro I can't do it there it's so gross to
04:49:33
Brian Atlasme it's like it's so gross will you eat a singular pineapple you won't even do you like you don't like pineapple dude it makes me sick literally like you won't eat pineapple
04:49:43
Brian Atlason its own pineapple juice no nothing are you allergic to it no it just makes me like feel sick are you feeling a bit uncomfortable that it's even that close to you I care if it's close to like skin
04:49:55
SPEAKER_03contact's okay yeah but ingesting pineapple is a no-o yeah don't you have like a food you really hate sure that's that for what is that well I have I have an actual allergy to something oh yeah
04:50:07
Brian Atlaswell but what's the food you hate though uh [ __ ] that's a hard one uh horseradish oh delicious or
04:50:19
Brian Atlassauerkraut that's okay I'm not a I don't like saour I hate sourkraut I don't like sour but that's all it's cuz cabbage gross yeah do you want to eat some of your pizza or are you I mean I'm fine
04:50:31
Brian Atlasbut if I'm the only one who's going to be EA if you're forcing people to eat like I'm just eat I'm just alone here eating a pineapple good time eat a piece of pineapple pizza and I'll have a smoke we'll finish this
04:50:43
Brian Atlasthing yeah you guys want you want I'm not hungry that's would you want to do bathroom break Andrew needs a smoke and then we'll go for what another 30 minutes but before you guys uh get up I
04:50:55
Brian Atlasdo want to let a couple chats come through really quick here so we have uh that's pissed at you1 that's not working myON wants to
04:51:05
SPEAKER_00collab he already reached out to you and maybe the master debater as well would love to see you all together oh slash yeah well Andrew you've been on their
04:51:15
Brian Atlasshow a couple times so hold on we got some other chats coming Daddy thank you oh my God I can't believe I wow thank you for the uh oh my God that's
04:51:25
SPEAKER_00ridiculous okay we have Lucas here Lucas donated $100 for the love of God with these gender studies nebulous talking point
04:51:35
SPEAKER_00three what virginity is defined as how ABT no Hyman no d di if it's good enough no diamond is C enough for me wait sorry
04:51:45
Brian Atlasjust repeat it just I don't know if they heard no Hyman no diamond is crazy oh okay all right no Hyman no diamond it's crazy why why is it crazy just for Lucas
04:51:55
Miss Kenziecuz he's curious um I mean I I think when we again I I just don't know why men fetishize someone who has little sexual
04:52:09
Miss Kenzieexperience why why would it be a problem even if they did uh cuz I think when we're talking about like someone who's making decisions um or someone who's well
04:52:20
Miss Kenziebalanced um and well-rounded that obviously with more experience you make better decisions well this assumes that the person has more sexual experience than the person has none what like well
04:52:31
Miss Kenzieyou can I I don't understand why can't you fetishize a woman having had no sexual experience and have no sexual experience yourself it's bad
04:52:41
Miss Kenzieum okay again I I think when you are centering the fact that she doesn't have sexual experience yeah then that is um
04:52:53
Miss Kenziebecause you see you have more opportunity to manipulate to coce to um to abuse oh I see so then um I just go
04:53:05
Andrew Wilsonto got to quickly ask if the roles are reversed if um if a woman selects on a Man based on the fact that he hasn't gone out and slept with a bunch of women so let's say that there's
04:53:17
Andrew Wilsona man in town and he's well you know he's pretty well known for being a ladies man you know the women all like him a lot and he bangs a lot of them um and this woman doesn't really like that
04:53:28
Andrew Wilsonshe thinks that that's kind of ick uh you think that she she really shouldn't find it very icky right um should she find it icky that he slept with a lot of women yeah
04:53:41
Miss KenzieI [Music] mean okay does she I I don't I don't think no I I don't think that um this idea that like having multiple
04:53:52
Andrew Wilsonconceptual relationships means that you're icky oh I see so let me I just want to make sure I got it clear if you went to a town and there was a guy in the town had a reputation for [ __ ] a
04:54:03
Andrew Wilsonlot of women like he just did this a lot um you wouldn't make any preconceived judgments about him maybe being a playable maybe being a player I guess what you
04:54:13
SPEAKER_02mean by playboy or player you know like uh he doesn't like to commit he likes to play the field he likes to have a lot of sex he likes to maybe lie to get into women's pants you know like preconceived notions which would come with a guy who
04:54:26
Andrew Wilsonnormally has sex with a lot of women why am I making this assessment because you are a pattern recognition machine and notate that engaging with him well I'm just going to ask you flat out do you do have you ever known guys like that yeah
04:54:39
Miss Kenzieoh okay and the types of guys that you know who are like that aren't they generally players um and so again just so I understand the criteria that you mean by player are they just someone who is
04:54:50
Miss Kenzieinterested in casual sex or are you also adding that criteria that they use the means of manipulation in order to gain access all the above they like all of that um I mean I wouldn't necessarily
04:55:03
Miss Kenzieplace the criteria that he uses the means of manipulation but could I say he has an interest in casual sex sure you wouldn't uh ever associate any negative characteristics with him though just because he had slept with a lot of women
04:55:15
Miss Kenziesure correct never um NOP as as long as I'm aware that they're consensual would it give you the I um no no no could you for
04:55:27
Miss Kenzieforesee that there's other women who it would give them the yck sure then why can't it give the ick to the man give the ick to the man well again I think this is just kind of like um
04:55:38
Miss Kenziecertain social purviews that we see with in society to where somehow having um multiple consensual relationships is dirty or gross and kind of the you know
04:55:49
Miss KenzieI I I just think women shouldn't have the ick impurity culture so you think that women shouldn't have the I think it's yeah the reverse of Purity culture right right so when so it just depends on what your goals are in terms of so
04:56:01
Andrew Wilsonthen virgins should give men who've had a lot of sexual partners a chance yeah I don't think you should NE you shouldn't base your decision making their body I agree we don't have
04:56:12
Andrew Wilsonanything to argue about if a woman has no body count and a man has a really really high body count she should not make any preconceived judgments about him and should date him and should not assume
04:56:24
Andrew Wilsonfor a second that that man just wants to take her virginity she should not assume that okay right um no I don't think she should
04:56:35
Brian Atlasassume that okay good no then I think we're on the same page okay all right wow a shocker let some other chats I saw you kind of eyeballing the pizza I mean I'm really not hungry can I have another
04:56:47
Brian Atlasdrink though we uh we can get you another drink uh once Andrew's back we'll get to the rest of the chats here I I won't let any come through unless
04:56:58
Brian Atlaseverybody is at the table uh Blake is going to get you a uh another drink if you can pass him the other one appreciate you rock rocking so
04:57:10
Miss Kenzieyou just don't like pineapple pizza or what's up no I've actually um debated on Tik Tok if pineapple should go on pizza and I was Pro you're you're the pro pineapple on Pizza okay I don't think he should have social prescription on what
04:57:22
Brian Atlasyou or like any kind of prescription on what you put on pizza got it okay is it you just don't like you don't want to eat it right now I'm just not hungry I don't know what what you want me to tell you okay you know that's that's if I
04:57:34
Brian Atlastook a bite would it make you happier uh it would actually why whoa get your mind out of the gutter I feel like you're I'm not in the gutter get your mind out of the gutter I don't know
04:57:45
Brian Atlasyou're trying to say like I want to see you eat a pizza like in a sexual way are you are you flirting like what do you what's going on here stop I look you're like trying to put say say I'm wanting
04:57:57
Brian Atlasyou to watch you eat a pizza I'm just I'm not into that all you had to say is I don't like to eat alone it look if you the reason that's fine look if you want to deal with dudes who like watching you
04:58:08
Brian Atlaseat food I'm look I don't King Shame I'm not a king shamer I'm just saying if like if that's what you want I'm just I was more just I got you pizza I don't
04:58:18
Brian Atlaswant to watch you eat it I just I you know I thought it would be a kind gesture understand it would be a kind gesture that's all you had to say good talk uh so guys uh I I don't
04:58:31
Brian Atlasknow if we're going to do the 16 I mean because nobody else is eating I was eating awkwardly there uh but those those that did come through what we're gonna pull them up what why would what's the thing we were doing if
04:58:43
Brian Atlaswe're all eating huh what are we not doing anymore oh so well we were going to do like a pizza roast session while y'all were eating your pizza but you're
04:58:54
Brian Atlasnot hungry Andrew doesn't want to have pineapple you had on the show so many times yeah and yeah and you don't know
04:59:04
Brian Atlasthat he wouldn't eat it well you know this was like a punishment for Andrew
04:59:10
Brian Atlasthe pineapple pizza he actually we he agreed he agreed off screen to that he never he he told me he was like Brian
04:59:22
Andrew Wilsonwe'll do it we can fine we'll do it can I can I tie this last thing off real quick before we get to the super chats cuz we're like right there right okay absolutely so I I thought when you left we had agreed on something what well
04:59:35
Andrew Wilsonyeah we agreed but I just wanted to tie it off with the agreement that's why I wanted the agreement okay are we to assume then that you have a high body count are we well it it doesn't matter
04:59:46
Miss Kenzieso you should tell us what it is I if it doesn't matter why would I tell you because it doesn't matter no I I would think if it mattered I would tell you well if it doesn't matter why wouldn't
04:59:56
Miss Kenzieyou because it doesn't matter if I would answer any question that you wanted that didn't matter to me uh no like when you go to court and like someone's well I'm just giving another example when someone's asked a question and they're
05:00:09
Andrew Wilsonlike irrelevant you know it doesn't matter they don't answer erroneous oh erroneous yeah so so no I I don't disclose you don't you don't so it does matter no it doesn't that's why I don't disclose you don't disclose because the
05:00:21
Miss Kenziereputation maybe that comes along with it no it has nothing to do with reputation then if you're not concerned about reputational damage and it doesn't matter why not just disclose if it doesn't matter why would I I have no motivation I mean I'm sorry you can keep
05:00:35
Miss Kenzieasking me 10 ways from some I'm not going to disclose I'll just ask you this what's your favorite color um that's a good question I would say like wine colored kind of like a
05:00:46
Miss Kenziepurplish pink or pinkish purple did that matter yeah I think what my favorite color is matters especially if you're like picking out um a shirt for me did
05:00:57
Andrew Wilsonthat matter in the context of the debate I don't know no it doesn't matter right okay so uh okay here's one um do
05:01:07
Andrew Wilsonyou prefer water in a cup or do you prefer I don't know water in a wine glass are you getting me water sure okay then I'd prefer it in a wine glass
05:01:19
Andrew WilsonI don't have a wine glass oh then I guess it doesn't matter oh okay so you just want it in a cup uh sure okay that's what you got a cup so then the preference doesn't really
05:01:31
Andrew Wilsonmatter uh no no okay great you only a cup so if you're willing to disclose preferences that don't matter why not disclose this one doesn't matter it what reason do I have to because it doesn't
05:01:41
Miss Kenziematter I would think that would be the reason I don't disclose that would be the reason you should disclose no I think if it mattered I would disclose right I don't you disclose material
05:01:53
Andrew Wilsoninformation I think it would M if it didn't matter you would have no trouble disclosing something that didn't matter if I were going to have sex with someone and I had an STD do you think I should disclose yeah because it matters yeah
05:02:05
Andrew Wilsonsure yeah yeah but if somebody asked you if you had it to STD would you say no if you didn't even though having sex with him it wouldn't matter what like if you didn't have an STD and you had sex with someone
05:02:16
Miss Kenzieyou're not going to ever transmit them in an STD right so it doesn't matter so when she just disclosed to a person didn't have STDs wait that does matter because obviously if I don't disclose
05:02:27
Andrew Wilsonthey think that I do right so so it matters to them so then in this case it does matter for the purpose of something then matters to them right yeah this matters to me okay well so dis close it
05:02:38
Andrew WilsonI I'm not well doesn't matter because it doesn't matter mhm I thought you said you only disclose if it does matter yeah if it mattered I would but it doesn't but it does matter I want to know it matters well it matters to you for the
05:02:50
Miss Kenziepurpose of this conversation it matters but so you got I don't think it that matters that you think it matters but you think it matters that the guy well if I if I didn't disclose you know he's
05:03:02
Andrew Wilsonlike do you have an STD and I'm like that doesn't matter what are we doing do you want to have sex it's really strange to me that this thing that just me nothing to you is also a thing that you
05:03:12
Andrew Wilsonrefuse to disclose that's really weird it doesn't matter why would I disclose because it doesn't matter to you exactly so why should it matter to disclose it that's super weird makes no sense I
05:03:24
Andrew Wilsondon't think it's super weird at all okay well then it's just irrelevant let me just let me just follow with this last thing um so can you tell right um that
05:03:36
Andrew Wilsonthere is or do you agree with me that there is reputational Dam Dage that comes with women who have a high body count yeah yeah you agree with that right so does it stand to reason from my perspective that I would think that you
05:03:49
Andrew Wilsonweren't disclosing that because it was really high and it would cause you reputational damage um I mean sure that could be a possible explanation I mean that's a
05:04:00
Andrew Wilsonlikely one right uh no I disagree well isn't it more likely than somebody saying it doesn't matter but I'm not going to tell you anyway like does doesn't that seem like
05:04:10
Andrew Wilsonit's a more likely explanation then I won't tell you based on the principle of it doesn't matter so therefore I want even though it doesn't matter to me at all I just don't so I guess when we're
05:04:23
Miss Kenzietalking about why you want the disclosure mhm why is that because I want to see if you're consistent well so this is just for the purposes of the debate yeah that's why matters I'm
05:04:34
Andrew Wilsonchecking your consistency and it's not very consistent so you're giving me I don't think you're your body count what are you evaluating well you're just giving me you're giving me reason to believe that you're lying to me that what am I lying about I'll explain
05:04:47
Andrew Wilsonyou're giving me reason to believe that based on the fact that you think that having a high body count causes women reputational damage uh that if you really thought that this didn't matter right i' know for sure that you wouldn't
05:04:59
Andrew Wilsonbe getting any reputational damage by expressing it if you had a very low body count however if you did have a very if you hang on if you did have a very high body count you think that that would cause you reputational damage by your
05:05:11
Miss Kenzieown admission so which is more likely it seems more likely that you do have one me sure but then you would be like implying that I care well the only reason I'm implying that you care is because you won't say it no yeah that
05:05:22
Andrew Wilsonseems to be the implication I I disagree well but the likelihood the likelihood from my perspec you tell me what what is my body count I have no idea yeah how would I know unless you told me
05:05:34
Andrew Wilsonexactly wouldn't um I assume it's high if I just wanted to protect my reputation wouldn't I just lie and just be like you know what you're right you could but it is the age of the internet where somebody could say no that's not true I slept with her and another guy's
05:05:47
Miss Kenzielike you I slept with her to you're really putting stock in into into the fact that my um possible previous partners are watching well all it would take all it would take is the wrong I
05:05:59
Andrew Wilsonwould say if I were protecting my reputation I would just lie so the fact that I'm not disclosing yeah but you doesn't say that reputation would you can get caught in a lie
05:06:10
Miss Kenzieit would be very unlikely for me to be caught giving a false body count uh yeah absolutely cuz I could just be like they're lying okay well of course he's going to try and say oh she's lying it's
05:06:20
Miss Kenzielow I don't know that guy well we have children right child a child yes so at least one right are we sure so we know so immaculate conception or artificial insemination right so we know at Le at
05:06:34
Andrew Wilsonleast one great are you okay with admitting that it's at least one I mean what does it matter I mean clearly I think you can deduce that yeah right we can deduce it yep so we we can
05:06:46
Miss Kenzieuse logic so we can use logic to deduce the truth of matter and if it is the case that it doesn't matter but you're unwilling to disclose I again I I don't think it supports that it's just a reputation thing because then I could
05:06:59
Miss Kenziejust lie and be like you know what you're right answer yeah but you can get caught in lies it's too and that damages your reputation I don't I I could just continue to lie and be like that guy's lying he never slept with me yes and and
05:07:09
Andrew Wilsonthen other people could bring proofs right I what I don't know whatever there are what proof is there how do I how would I know how yeah I don't think there's I have no idea it's just very it's a very strange standard to say
05:07:22
Miss Kenzieweird a thing doesn't matter but I do know that it causes reputational damage if it is high and I refuse to disclose it even though it doesn't matter corre yeah I mean again I like I said I think I've I've told you if I was worried about reputational damage I would just
05:07:34
Andrew Wilsonconcede you and lie do you think it stands to reason that if a man wants to know your your body count it's because they think that uh you have a bad
05:07:45
Miss Kenziereputation of sleeping with a lot of different men um no I think there can be multiple reasons that someone would want to know your body count I think uh obviously like you've indicated a lot of
05:07:55
Miss Kenziesocial prescriptions uh come with like a high body count um but I also think excuse me I also think if you've been with someone a long time it can just be out
05:08:08
Andrew Wilsonof curiosity true yeah and do you think that the stigma associated with reputational damage a man might want to avoid a woman like that so that they don't end up being
05:08:18
Miss Kenzieassociated with that woman's bad reputation um yeah sure I don't know so then it seems like it's a perfectly valid preference to want women who have low body counts I I think it's weird
05:08:28
Miss Kenziethat men kind of evaluate the quality of their partner oh no women also evaluate women based on how many sex partners they've had so when you're I I know
05:08:39
Miss Kenzieyou're married what what do you look are you're not you're a virgin yeah virgin virgin yeah do you want a romantic relationship do I want a romantic yes
05:08:51
Miss Kenzieyeah yeah what what would you want that long term longterm yes yes what what would you want from a partner if you
05:09:01
Brian Atlasvirin is that it is there any other qualities you would want for a long-term partner um no virgin like she can be like obese and stuff but like virgin why
05:09:13
Miss Kenziedon't why you dragging me into this why you dragging me intoing that's not fair the it's not fair it's not fair he's married so obviously it doesn't um you know there's not necessarily um an assessment of
05:09:25
Miss Kenzielooking for your next potential partner but um so my point but let's say my my my wife died tomorrow okay right well what would you want in a partner I would definitely want a woman with a low body
05:09:37
Andrew Wilsoncount okay is there anything else yeah oh yeah sure all the uh like all the normal things that uh people would look for woman it was loyal she was very kind
05:09:47
Miss Kenzieto me she was kind to children she was kind to the elderly so kind yeah kindness matters to me oh right but I'm just saying you said kind three different ways so I got it loyal kind
05:09:57
Andrew Wilsonmhm loyal kind um somebody wasn't in uh didn't or wasn't prone to nagging that would be a big one for me prone to nagging mhm okay wait
05:10:09
Brian AtlasI'm sorry I did think of one other thing that I I do look for is large laia no knees large labia I big
05:10:18
Brian Atlaslaia is that uh Le minor or or labia both can be large both can be large yeah so Audi like the wizard sleeve I'm I no
05:10:29
Miss Kenziethis I actually do prefer large lebia are your only conditions like based on their appearance no there's other conditions like she has to bow to me not
05:10:40
Andrew Wilsonokay you're done no lit no literally so anyway these are these are like figurativ these are like standard qualities that I think are pretty shared across sure so I mean we just named two
05:10:50
Miss Kenziethough loyal kind um you said no nagging yeah no nagging do you do my life easier do you uh view like communication is nagging or yeah you think being
05:11:02
Miss Kenziecommunicative with your partner as yeah she needs to understand what my needs are okay yeah that um okay I guess I'm not sure what nagging is so yeah I think we you don't know what nagging is
05:11:14
Miss Kenziereally um wasn't I just nagging you to give me your body count oh yeah you definitely were so so then we do know what nagging is I guess I'm trying to understand nagging to what your degree like if she asked you will you take the
05:11:26
Brian Atlasgarbage out and you're like yeah I will and then you don't like yeah [ __ ] like that yeah I don't want I don't want nagging no nagging yeah I got to we can come right back to it but there's a there's so many messages coming through that like basically done and then we're
05:11:39
Brian Atlasjust done let me let two come in and then we'll do the rest just cuz I don't want them to fall off cuz uh streamlabs does
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SPEAKER_00that Daddy mods donated $100 sent it in kind of twice I guess messed you to do a podcast together pretty sure he spoke to The Master debater about it as well that
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SPEAKER_00collab is what we've been waiting for BTW Karen good luck you've lost horribly now you got me the first time on your username I'm not going to refer I'm
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Brian Atlasgoing to call you Dem model still bad um model thank you for the uh message I do appreciate it thank you oh we got Lucas coming in Lucas donated
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SPEAKER_00$100 woman you know nothing ABT the scientific research. there is not one study out there and there are many that does not indicate a strong and I mean really strong male preference towards
05:12:32
Miss Kenziefemale Chastity oh do you want to respond to I I'm sorry what does it say women you know nothing about the scientif ific research there is not one study out there that does not indicate a strong and I mean really strong male
05:12:45
Andrew Wilsonpreference towards female um I think that would just be culture dependent and why is it a cross culture why is what a cross culture the fact that men uh value Youth and
05:12:57
Andrew WilsonChastity um are you referring to like the evolutionary psychology no refence just referring to the the demonstration of basically everywhere this is asked um
05:13:09
Andrew Wilsonby pollsters and by various researchers if you prefer women of x age most men choose around the same ages for women that they find the most attractive
05:13:20
Andrew Wilsonand the same thing for men uh looking for Chastity that seems to be across the board what thee what what is the age most men choose is this is this
05:13:32
Andrew Wilsonregardless of their age yeah what is the age I think it's like 18 to 26 or 24 okay yeah they prefer it and do women
05:13:41
Miss Kenziehave that similar no no no they tend to um want men around their same age right and find them like same I think there would be a hard argument to say that this is just an innate
05:13:54
Andrew Wilsondetermination and not some form of social conditioning across all cultures correct that's truly baffling to me like these cultures that have very little to
05:14:06
Miss Kenziedo with each other still have preference toward Chastity what would you base that on as far as social condition I just again we don't know what cultures number
05:14:16
Miss Kenzieone that they are evaluating but I also think that there's like the global idea that paternity is really important um where previous to like patriarchal
05:14:27
Miss Kenzieconstructions when it was more egalitarian um you know not knowing paternity wasn't necessarily a big deal because I could even argue that in terms
05:14:38
Miss Kenzieof uh Community survival that not knowing paternity could be a beneficial because then men that are engaged with women now they have an investment and obviously The Offspring living and
05:14:48
Andrew Wilsonsurviving and she would have more access to to resources from those different men this seems like it would be offset very quickly by just saying a man's primary edict and objective evolutionarily would
05:14:59
Andrew Wilsonbe to pass on his genetics and he would need to know that his genetics were actually passed on not another man's in his dead so I don't necessarily think that that's like just an that's the primary Edict of all living
05:15:11
Miss Kenzieorganisms is to pass on their genetics no to pass on their genetics I think it's also survival the your gentics then um that's the primary urge and drive
05:15:23
Andrew Wilsonthen what's the point of marriage or relationships well okay you can have factors past this that human beings value but the primary edict from an
05:15:33
Miss Kenzieevolutionary standpoint the prime direct I would see I would see men wanting um not relationships at all just be engaging with multiple women having and
05:15:46
Miss Kenziethen having no investment a lot of them do that do you think men should have investment in child's uh rearing yes but this does not contend with my question before you change it right is not the
05:15:57
Andrew Wilsonprimary Edict of The evolutionary dictate to pass your genetics on no I would say survival well what's the point purpose of survival what's the point of survival
05:16:08
Miss Kenziemhm um that your community continues yeah it continues through what passing on your genetics right but even if you don't pass on your genetics your community can still continue there it's
05:16:21
Andrew Wilsonnot going to continue without people passing on their genetics or living organisms passing genetics all people need to pass on their genetics yes but all people do need to have the drive to pass on their
05:16:32
Miss Kenziegenetics um again you can have the drive but even if you haven't completed it yeah but you have the drive to complete it even when you have completed it you still have the drive to continue
05:16:43
Andrew Wilsonto complete it right so I again I don't see why like paternity would need to be certain the whole point of you getting horny and a man getting horny is to pass on their genetics otherwise there would
05:16:54
Andrew Wilsonbe no reason to get hor so well then if he's done that then why wouldn't he can continue to do it I so he wants to continue to pass his genetics on over and over and over again one vessel can
05:17:05
Miss Kenzieaccommodate this it doesn't need it doesn't take 50 vessels obviously even if you pass on your genetics and then the children don't survive and your community doesn't survive then you have an achieve the
05:17:17
Andrew Wilsongoal yeah maybe not but that doesn't mean that your primary edict is not to do that but again I don't think that um you're just descriptively saying but what if it doesn't happen and I'm like yeah then it doesn't happen but still
05:17:29
Miss Kenziethe motivation the primary is pass on genetics but obviously too it's also for the society to continue and the only way it continues by passing on genetics I I
05:17:39
Miss Kenzieagree but obviously like if a woman um is sleeping with multiple men and then there are children um all of those men could have a potential investment in that child survival no they have no way to verify they've passed on their
05:17:52
Andrew Wilsongenetics I know but they would have the potential investment in be yeah listen let's so Brian here his ultimate Drive let's say is to pass on his genetics and mine okay so let's say that Brian wait I
05:18:05
Andrew Wilsonwanted to pass yours on yeah well I want to pass mine on he right so he ends up with some chick with one of his friends and they bang her okay I'm sorry he ends up with with some chick with one of his friends one of him
05:18:18
Andrew Wilsonand one of his friends bang the same chick so there's a third guy okay not a third guy second guy bang his chick well you're why did they got why does she have being my chick I'm not there listen I'm drawing a comparison okay I'm sorry I'm with one woman mhm He has screwed
05:18:31
Andrew Wilsonone woman and this other guy has screwed one woman right I'm just with one woman one woman's with me I'm assured my genetics are passed on they are not assured their genetics are passed on I me you're not they're not assured their
05:18:44
Andrew Wilsongenetics are passed on if the primary edicts pass your genetics on it's not to oh I don't share with another guy and hope your genetics get passed on that's not how that works well I mean obviously if your child dies then your genes are
05:18:55
Miss Kenzienot passed on then you try to have another child because it's your primary edict I I mean I think ultimately primary edict would be for survival um
05:19:06
Miss Kenzieof like yourself but no I I don't think necessarily like there's an Edict of like Legacy if that's what you're talking about literally every living organism's primary goal from an
05:19:16
Andrew Wilsonevolutionary standpoint has to be to pass on their genetic material otherwise survival the fittest doesn't work you can't be the fittest species if you can't reproduce well also but if you
05:19:28
Miss Kenziecan't survive yes based on certain conditions but you can't survive because you can't reproduce I I agree that reproduction is an aspect of it but even
05:19:38
Miss Kenzieif you do reproduce it doesn't mean that there'll be the necessary conditions for your genes to continue if your genes don't survive yeah but that's a descriptor right that's not a descriptor which contends with the primary edict
05:19:51
Miss Kenziebeing reproduction it does because when when evaluating a matate it not only comes into obviously their capacity for fertility but their capacity to care for the young we aren't just like we are
05:20:02
Miss Kenziesocial creatures and so there are social aspects that come into the aspects of mating and I would argue too that prior um prior to other civilizations that
05:20:13
Miss Kenziethis was a common method that women had multiple partners so that multiple children could behal so that the community and Society could continue There Are pagan there are pagan tribes
05:20:24
Andrew Wilsonwith this happened I agree right but for the most part it didn't there are some I I would disagree with that there's well look then that's a historical I think your position I'm I'm okay right now I think your position is ahistorical no
05:20:36
Andrew Wilsonit's not it's ahistorical to say men may have had multiple women women did not generally have multiple men they were not in a position to have multiple men and from what time period are we discussing I mean this all of human
05:20:47
Miss Kenziehistory I mean no I would say for 50,000 25,000 years um no there were more poly Amorous relationships not yes between
05:20:57
Miss Kenziemen and multiple women not women and M me I'm talking about polys where women have as much multiple partners brothers would marry sisters they would switch partners so on and so forth I mean I even told you about the
05:21:10
Andrew Wilsonexample of Rome where they would have wedding night orgies just to assume like that their family line is Contin when it came to Rome men were in the position of authority over wives right and they
05:21:21
Andrew Wilsongenerally married virgins they would have sex that's true with women who were not virgins and even with men it was a but there was was still very much a traditional practice that also there
05:21:33
Miss Kenziewould be multiple men even that doesn't guarantee your paternal line yeah that masturbation no I'm not saying with each other I'm saying with with the wife like
05:21:43
SPEAKER_02the there would be wedding night or yes no that's ahistorical too it's not ahistorical Romans didn't tell people to come over and [ __ ] their wives that's very much ahistorical I can give you aor it's super rare that that happened what
05:21:56
Andrew Wilsonare you talking about the RO especially in the Roman Empire it's it's insane no they didn't that's a totally ahistorical also AIC The Source once you give me the per you can give me this the source I'm telling you it's totally ahistorical
05:22:08
Andrew Wilsonthat um that women um had multiple men yes men had multiple women that's true but it's a historic you know why too women can only
05:22:19
Andrew Wilsonget pregnant by one guy at a time men on the other hand they can impregnate a 100 women as many times as you know what I mean again we have to determine the fact
05:22:29
Miss Kenzieof survival ship like if a man impregnates 100 women and so he's passing his jeans on you know the these hundred women don't have um um Community
05:22:39
Andrew Wilsonor support when it comes to resources and caring for the child then the children are going to die and then what yeah but this is baked into the pie that would be a lesson for monogamy
05:22:52
Miss Kenzieright no I think that's a Lon aren't you assuring the most amount of resources possible by having one man responsible for the child uh no obviously you would ensure more aspects uh more resources if
05:23:04
Andrew Wilsonmultiple men were responsible for the child if they could reinforce like oh I have an uncle that's helpful they're somewhat responsible for my child I guess they're part of my family but having one man who gathers resource
05:23:15
Miss Kenziespecifically for that child and that woman seems like a way more effective dating or strategy it would be no communal uh Gathering and communal ownership would be the most effective strategy you can have communal Gathering
05:23:27
Miss Kenziecommunal ownership where every man still owns the child and is the primary caregiver for that child who's his I agree I agree also you can also have men who who
05:23:38
Miss Kenzieare potentially are invested in obviously the CH the children growing and the community surviving okay there there's no need for pity which thing makes more sense we
05:23:50
Miss Kenziehave a community but I'm responsible for my Offspring if paternity certainty was was such like a valuable thing why why is it um not easily detected like you
05:24:03
Andrew Wilsonknow when it comes to maternity excuse me obviously we always know who the is but you don't always know who the father is correct so doesn't really matter yeah so that like completely blows your own point out
05:24:15
Andrew Wilsonmakes no sense you're not actually assured yourself paternity correct neither are men cor correct yeah so the only thing you know is that is that it came from
05:24:25
Miss Kenzieyou community community resources and obviously having multiple people invest in the outcome of the offspring would be the most successful multiple people will
05:24:37
Andrew Wilsonstill invest in the outcome of The Offspring just by being family to The Offspring even if they didn't are not directly responsible for The Offspring meaning they did not reproduce The Offspring okay so you have uncles and aunts and brothers and sisters and
05:24:50
Miss Kenziecousins and whatever yeah there are a lot of indigenous tribes that had the same philosophy that you know the children belong to everybody yeah but men don't want to share their women I again it depends on the culture
05:25:02
Miss Kenziethere were many indigenous tribes who children belonged to everybody um even Native American tribes didn't operate this way there are American tribes who did operate this way some but it's rare
05:25:13
Andrew Wilsonand by the way looking at an example of where polygamy could happen it's still an a it's completely an ahistoric standard to say that because that
05:25:23
Andrew Wilsonbecause polygamy did happen that it was common across all cultures it was not it's not the case it was no it wasn't I mean what what time period are you talking about I guess you're talking about all of human history yes all of human history I mean I I don't know how
05:25:36
Miss Kenziewe can go back and forth saying one's a historical Ur historical hisorical like it would essentially just come down to sources yeah we would just have to prove our sources yeah so in this case you're going to come up with sources that give
05:25:48
Miss Kenzieus direct evidence that 25,000 years ago women were mostly uh polygamous really uh yeah that paternity that male paternity was not at
05:25:58
Miss Kenziethe center of of of of society that it didn't matter because the children were um so it wasal so it's matrilineal yes instead of patrilineal correct yeah it's
05:26:10
Brian Atlastotally a historical okay I'm fine with that okay okay um shoot a couple fell off here so I'm going to have to find another way to pull these up but uh I'm
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Brian Atlasdoing I'm not sure really okay he did bring up crystals though so he did it was which one is your favorite you the green one um I mean you have to be General you have to be really gentle
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SPEAKER_00man Lucas donated $100 we do know what cultures were studied from tribes in the Amazon to tribes in papular New Guinea also it's
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05:30:04
Brian Atlaswhen when people bite these kinds of bullets you're just like okay oh I don't know what you where you go with that uh graffo tagged men evolve to spread genes maximizing Offspring women seek long-term support to ensure child
05:30:16
Brian Atlassurvival marriage balances this giving men paternity certainty and women stability for raising kids makes sense that's a way better strategy or seems like a way better survival strategy one
05:30:27
Miss Kenziesec here I'm just double I mean do you do you think if we're talking just that marriage is essentially what determines uh obviously then that fraction would be
05:30:37
Miss Kenzieseparated from the community why because that that's the foundation right yeah why would they be separated from the community well cuz that's what
05:30:47
Miss Kenzieelse do you need well you I mean need support yeah exactly so it wouldn't be marriage that would determine the he didn't say marriage he said monogamy they did they said marriage I thought he said monogamy
05:31:00
Andrew Wilsonwhat did he say that's I'm not sure to be honest yeah that I mean that involves marriage yeah but um I thought he said monogamy Maybe I'm Wrong but in any case uh it doesn't matter his point is
05:31:10
Andrew Wilsoncorrect it makes way more sense for a woman for resource perspective to have a man who specifically guards her and that Offspring if he's always unsure of The Offspring what's his incentive to guard her and we don't look from protection
05:31:23
Andrew Wilsonfrom one individual we look from protection from Community yeah okay so the thing is is um you get that Community through this
05:31:34
Miss Kenziesingle person giving you this Offspring I I disagree I think there are a lot of communities where even children are viewed as um not even necessarily just the mother's children but Other Women
05:31:46
Andrew WilsonWithin that Community are also just as responsible for instilling values and raising the children well help me out here do you think it would be better then if women could just like communally had sex with men and men were not
05:31:58
Miss Kenzieassured of paternity um I mean yeah that's definitely a possible outcome I don't like to necessarily give uh sexual or sexual or relationship prescriptions I
05:32:10
Andrew Wilsonthink everyone has you think it would be better though better if men were not able to determine paternity um and women just had sex with whatever me that they wanted to but and
05:32:22
Miss Kenziethey couldn't assure paternity do you think that's better a better outcome than knowing who the father is in terms of survival sure so so then you should
05:32:34
Miss Kenzieprescribe that for women right yeah yeah I do think when we um you want women to be horse basically um again I I I think like I
05:32:45
Andrew Wilsondon't agree with the term that you used um well you want them to [ __ ] a bunch of men so that they're not a shed of paternity no I I even said that that's
05:32:54
Miss Kenzienot um that's not my position I think you just said it was your position no I I think when we talk about like the idea of family and Community it doesn't have
05:33:04
Miss Kenzieto be this nuclear aspect with certain people who are biolog ically related wearing the domineering hats I think we can look at it through more of a communal um I forget what country it is
05:33:15
Miss KenzieI can look it up if you want um there was one woman who had nine children and she ended up giving two to one of her infertile friends and um they ask like are you upset with that are your children upset with that and they're
05:33:26
Andrew Wilsonlike no we we both love the children anal though um it's just an example though of like how but if you say it's a better survival mechanism for women to do this so you would prescribe that do
05:33:38
Miss Kenziedo this you can't actually tell them not to be [ __ ] because and here's why I I would say that if if we look at certain reproductive strategies in terms of society that uh female
05:33:48
Miss Kenziebonding um leads to really great outcomes of of lessen fanticide and and longer uh child SP uh child lifespan or more success for child span yeah but if
05:34:00
Andrew Wilsonfor a man not to be assured of paternity that the woman would have to be sleeping with multiple men okay I mean or he could just assume that so then it's actually a bad
05:34:10
Miss Kenziesurvival strategy for women or better survival strategy for women right from your perspective for the woman I I don't know why we can't have like um I if people want to be in monogamous relationships I don't think that's
05:34:23
Andrew Wilsonthat's not what we're talking about about whether or not you think that men and women can be in any type of relationship we're asking about better worse as far as outcomes go and so if it's a better outcome I would think you
05:34:35
Andrew Wilsonwould prescribe the better outcome if it's a better survival strategy for women to sleep with multiple men and not then the man not be assured of the paternity of the child as the better survival outcome for the woman then why
05:34:48
Miss Kenziewouldn't you prescribe that for women you would right um uh yeah I I do think that would yield um better outcomes if we were less uh nuclear and more communal essentially
05:35:01
Andrew Wilsonindividualistic and more commun so then you're prescribing that women sleeping with multiple men and then hiding the paternity of I mean it's not necessarily hiding well yeah you just don't know
05:35:12
Miss Kenzieright so you can't lie about what you don't know right and obviously um I think uh when it comes to like
05:35:20
Andrew Wilsonpartnership um people do find uh love and and stability uh with with multiple people MH and do you think that
05:35:30
Andrew Wilsona man who like I don't know for instance me I adore my kids like I love them to death um wouldn't that take that away from me because now I would not even be sure if
05:35:42
Miss Kenziethey were mine I mean uh forgive me they're they're not yours are they no they are mine biologically yeah I have biological
05:35:51
Andrew Wilsonchildren yes um so you were misinformed weren't you by Trolls but anyway go ahead no I'm sorry yes I have step children and biological children both so do you feel that your stepchildren
05:36:02
Andrew Wilsonaren't your children no I still love them and adore them so I'm sorry they're not your children or they are they are but there's still a different relationship a different relationship
05:36:12
Miss Kenzieyou're doing it yourself I mean I'm not child wearing of children that are this is incorrect biological yeah no that's incorrect so there's a
05:36:22
Andrew Wilsondistinction in biological versus stepchildren yes there is a distinction there I mean for you sure yeah for everybody there I mean we wouldn't even have the classification if there was no
05:36:35
Miss Kenziedistinction doesn't mean I don't love them um so are you just talking a distinction in terms of biological distinction or are you talking about how you love and care for them yeah I'm glad
05:36:43
Andrew Wilsonthat I know who each child's father is or is not including uh my Offspring yes I I'm wondering though do you love and care for your step children different children oh okay course yes of course I
05:36:56
Andrew Wilsonlove and well no you didn't finish answering the question before I was saying yes I know I never made a distinction in how I treated them okay but you can't make a distinction in your heart for who you adore or don't adore
05:37:07
Andrew Wilsonright so yeah so for instance wouldn't you agree that if you were raising um like I don't know a child that you you came in contact with with by the time they were six or seven for instance right that it's going to be a
05:37:21
Miss Kenziedifferent form of relationship than the child that came out of your womb uh yeah but if I I I think that just necessarily has to do with timing and not um the
05:37:30
Andrew Wilsonfact that I'm biologically related to them well but if you were biologically related to them the timing would be fine right I no I think I would have the same
05:37:41
Miss Kenzielike let let's just say for example um that you know I I gave birth and then for whatever reason you know the child was raised by someone else and I got him back at six or seven I would say that the experience would be very similar if
05:37:53
Miss KenzieI got a child that was not it's similar but it's not the same I I think it would be the same I don't think I could tell you just said that it wouldn't be the same and now you're saying it would be
05:38:01
Miss Kenziethe same what do you mean I'm talking about um a biological child I rais from birth versus a child that I rais from the age of six it's not the biological
05:38:12
Andrew Wilsoncomponent that makes it different it's the time in which I entered their life yeah okay so and then if they biologically were yours you would have entered their life from the beginning right but I just gave a hypothetical to
05:38:24
Miss Kenziewhere if I let's say I did give birth and then for whatever reason I was separated from that child and then that child came back at 6 or S I don't see any meaningful delineation how do you know like you can't you can't know that
05:38:36
Andrew WilsonI I and again we can go B on anecdotes you know CU you gave anecdotes for your own like you can't know that and the thing is is like yes I agree I agree that you could love your stepchildren
05:38:46
Andrew Wilsonand should love your stepchildren right but I also understand that there is um this delineation between children are biologically yours and ones that are
05:38:56
Miss Kenzienot I get that sure I I I would say that can also be just like a cultural um distinction be because of the culture that you've grown up with and it was so much emphasis on biologic relation that
05:39:08
Andrew Wilsonthat's why you you have these different feelings so you don't think that men care to know who their offspring even are um I mean again I I think that would be
05:39:19
Miss Kenziebased on the individual like I I know this is an anecdote but I used to joke with my ex cuz um our son was conceived on our honeymoon uh when we were in
05:39:28
Miss KenzieMiami that you know the father was a native to Miami um and I mean even to this day he's like it doesn't matter point that kid is mine repeat that you were on your
05:39:41
Andrew Wilsonhoneymoon when our son was conceived yeah so I used to joke that the child wasn't his oh okay I see I thought you were saying the child wasn't no um and
05:39:52
Miss Kenziewould your husband want to know I mean he says that he he says he doesn't care it's clearly is he is he your ex-husband yes oh okay yeah he probably cared he
05:40:03
Andrew Wilsonprobably cared I mean it's pretty clear his son is his okay uh would you if you um I mean I'm sorry um I just want to ask this last question then you can ask
05:40:13
Andrew Wilsonwhatever you want okay if it was the case that um that technology was sophisticated enough MH right that you could be pregnant right the entire time your womb
05:40:26
Andrew Wilsoncould be utilized in some way I don't know whatever bizarre scientific way so like nine months yeah nine months in the womb right and you can have the child right but you were never assured
05:40:38
Andrew Wilsonpaternity maternity yeah you weren't assured that so you you were just assigned a child you never knew if it was yours or not yours what you want to know
05:40:48
Miss Kenzieum I mean it's hard to say uh again I I can kind of relate my um my social conditioning um I don't know I've
05:41:00
Miss Kenzieconsidered selling my eggs so does it really would it really bother me to know that there's a child that I'm biologically related to out there not really um would I if I decide to become a
05:41:11
Andrew Wilsonparent is it necessarily A determinant that I'm biologically related no so would it be better than ultimately following this Logic for everybody who had a child to just communally put them
05:41:22
Miss Kenzieup and they be given out to the best parents um I think in some no I I don't think it needs to be a hierarchy like that I think that uh the community can all have equal investment