Tradthot E-GIRL DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #255

Date: 2025-08-11

Duration: 8h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJamie (Teacher)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Zena(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ellie / Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kamaya(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Paulina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mars (USC)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elizabeth(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentHeidi reveals situationship partner is a male sex worker

Key MomentRinggate e-girl drama: Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan controversy

Key MomentHeidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

OtherPaulina leaves the show at ~472 min

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Heidi (situationship with male sex worker) and Jamie (DV survivor).

Heidi Male Sex Worker Reveal

Heidi's situationship partner is a male sex worker.

Ringgate E-Girl Drama

Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan Twitter drama react.

Farting in Relationships

Brian's strong anti-farting stance in relationships.

Equal Partnership vs Providing

Heidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

Paper Abortion Debate

Legal paternal surrender / male reproductive rights debate.

Body Count Round

Heidi 1, Elizabeth 2, Kamaya 5, Mars under 25, Ellie 0, Zena 10-25, Jamie 8.

Transcript

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Kamaya>> Uh, 100,000 as well. I think um especially since I'll be making over 100. I think it's only fair kind of like what you were saying. I want you to match how much I'm making just because I don't know, be nice and plus I want to

Kamayahave more than two kids. That's kind of hard to do in Orange County. Um, yeah. >> Wait, how many kids do you want? >> Uh, I would say minimum two, maximum three. >> Okay. And >> honestly, me, too. >> Yeah.

Mars (USC)>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm an only child and I feel like every only child like would never have an only child. So, >> right. I wouldn't. Yeah. Maybe three for me. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it's fair.

SPEAKER_02>> That is fair. What about you? >> Um, I don't remember what I put on my paper actually. >> Put up Um 100,000. >> Is it me? No, that's not mine. >> That's not you.

SPEAKER_02>> No, >> it's weird. Is that you? >> I was originally sitting over there. >> What chair? >> Oh gosh. Three, four, >> four. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We'll see.

Ellie / Jamie>> You didn't even answer. >> Yeah, I did not even answer. Um I don't know. Realistically, I live in the Midwest, so it's not like it's a super high cost of living. I would say probably like

Ellie / Jamie80 90 would be nice. >> You live in Kentucky, Kansas. >> Kansas. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I mean, I I don't know anything about the

Ellie / Jamie>> definitely a lower cost of living. Um I'm from Maryland. God, I think like in order to live comfortably in my hometown, I definitely definitely need to be

Ellie / Jamiemaking over 100K. Especially like if I were to stick in the neighborhood where I was I was born and raised. Yeah. Probably like 100 150. >> Yeah.

Ellie / Jamie>> Okay. I don't know anything about those locations. >> Bigger cities. Usually bigger cities require like more cost of living expenses and stuff like that. Whereas like out in like the rural like areas

Ellie / Jamieyou you can find a decent house like for like 300, you know, 400 even. Like even like on the upper end of like Lawrence, you could find a really nice house for like $400,000. >> So

Ellie / Jamie>> where is this again? >> Um Kansas. >> Kansas. >> Northeast Kansas. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So like not Topeka, like a little bit further east of Topeka. So like

Ellie / Jamieright outside Kansas. So Kansas City is like there's half in Missouri and then half in Kansas. And that's kind of like the huge city in like in the city. you'd probably need more, but >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> All right. Uh, besides her, was there anybody who desired a pretty high income or not really? >> I I think I was the highest. I said 200. >> I said 100K. >> I didn't care. >> Yeah.

Elizabeth>> Answer. >> Come on. There's some number, right? >> Well, I'm >> These are out of order. Who's uh >> I didn't answer. >> It's like it's the same the same thing. As long as we can both support ourselves, like I mean I don't really see an issue

Ellie / Jamie>> with whatever you make. >> Jamie, right? Okay. >> Yeah. >> And it's like having kids is like it's not like after like the maybe the first or second one it could be like kind of pricey, but I mean like you don't need

Ellie / Jamieto buy >> like new [ __ ] every time you have a kid. >> You said 100K. >> Yeah. >> 200 >> 200 >> 80 100 >> 100 >> 100 >> 100 >> Damn y'all. 80 90 I think is pretty comfortable

Mars (USC)where we're at. >> Related to the looks thing, related to this conversation right now about income. >> Why don't average women want average men? Well, let me just say that going to

Mars (USC)the school that I go to, the connections that I've had, the places I've worked, I foresee that I will be making an income

Mars (USC)close to, if not more than what I am looking for in a romantic partner. So, it's just my standard of living. And obviously, we'll see what happens. But

Mars (USC)based on the lifestyle that I've lead and have lived, I just I like buying nice things. I like going on nice trips. And it's just part of my standard of

Brian Atlasliving and the lifestyle that I would like to live. Is there something wrong with that? >> Well, the I guess the issue is is what

Brian Atlasproportion of men meet your criteria. So, if you're looking at, you know, 200k, whatever percentage is that, and then it's like, okay, do they meet all your other criteria, too? Are they good-looking? Are they XYZ? Their personality is good, their height,

Brian Atlasthey're single, they're loyal, all these other things, you start boiling down to a really, really small percentage of men. Most women, you know, even removing income entirely from the conversation, women are incredibly picky to begin

Brian Atlaswith. So, it's like you're just adding on another layer of like you're just continuing to chisel down the potential dating pool.

Brian Atlas>> I'm just saying, man, a lot of average women >> Mhm. >> don't want average men, and that includes average income.

Brian Atlas>> I'm not going to lie, we got a table full of average women. >> Speak for yourself. I think I'm an average guy. We've got a

Paulinatable full of average women, >> but your desires are for above average men. >> Well, that's financially speaking. >> Yeah, we didn't start. >> I'm thinking more practical with the cost of living in LA and raising a

Paulinafamily with three kids. It's not It's not even um uh I'm undervaluing them in a way or trying to ask for too much. I'm tending to kids. It's a lot to raise a family in LA. Now, if I was in out of

Paulinastate, it would be different because your money goes a lot further out of state. So, it's more practical with the times that have changed and the cost of living that's changed. >> That's it. >> Also, I don't think a single one of us

Kamayahere said something that we're not willing to bring to the table either. Like, >> all of us would be happy to make that much money, >> right? But >> as well, >> men don't really care about the money

Brian Atlasthat you bring to the table. So, I I get that you're bringing that thing, but it doesn't make you more attractive. And often times, >> your career, your money, your success, all this stuff. It's usually never a

Brian Atlasplus for the guy. >> Often times, being a boss babe comes with a bunch of [ __ ] issues. It's a pain in the ass to make plans with you. You're constantly busy. >> You're [ __ ] tired from work. You're stressed out from work. You're

Brian Atlasmasculineized because of your work. >> I disagree with that. I think >> bro nurse you're you're health care uh you're going to be a PA. >> Yeah. >> Uh nurses like that's within the healthcare purview.

Brian Atlas>> Yep. >> Bro nurses become like I don't even don't get me started with [ __ ] nurses. >> I'm not a nurse. >> No. Let's get them started. >> I know. But you're in like you're in healthcare, right? I don't know if you're going to be working emergency medicine. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Oh yeah. You're going to be [ __ ] stressed. Emergency medicine is super crazy. I mean, it's good. It's it's uh we need people to do that kind of work. >> But you're it's stressful work.

Kamaya>> You're going to bring that home to your relationship. >> That's why men don't want a boss babe. >> But I'm not I wouldn't class myself classify myself as a boss babe. I'm doing this because this is what we need to do to have a comfortable life in

KamayaCalifornia. If I could not work, I would be completely fine with that. But >> unfortunately, like I have these goals and and we want to do certain things. So that's kind of what we have to do, you know, kind of just make the sacrifice.

Brian Atlas>> No, I get that there's an economic and financial reality that especially in a place high cost of living area like California, you're probably going to need two incomes. I'm just saying that

Brian Atlasthe it is a reality, but the manifestation of that reality, the reality of the reality, does that even [ __ ] make sense? Is >> the real real >> men don't want like that's not the ideal

Kamayafor men. We don't want no boss babe. We don't want it. you wouldn't be okay with like knowing that your woman could be taking off some of the stress for you financially at some point. I feel like

Kamayathat a lot of the stress a lot of the stress on men is to provide financially and I think if your partner brings 50/50 or some to the table I think that lowers the pressure on them.

Brian Atlas>> I I agree with you that it can >> from it depends on what dynamic or perspective we're looking at it from. Uh, in your case, you said you're engaged, you're going to get married.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, sure. You're going to lessen the financial burden on him. I mean, I can speak from me specifically. I know not all men are going to fall into this. Like, the girl that I'm with, I'm taking

Brian Atlascare of everything. Like, she doesn't have to work, right? I know not all men are going to be able because of the economic reality to do something like that. I understand the woman's going to have to work. That's just how it is. uh

Brian Atlasthat that's one of the manifestations of feminism. But look, in terms of it making men more attracted to women, I guess I would also say at least very early on in

Brian Atlasrelationships, absent marriage, absent you guys sharing, you know, expenses. Most women don't share their resources with men in that kind of way.

Brian AtlasShe's a high earnner. She says she spent 20 $30,000 uh a month. Despite her being a high earnner, >> she doesn't pay for dates. She offers. She doesn't want to pay for dates. She

Brian Atlaswants the guy to pay for dates. So, it's funny. Even when women do make money, the reason we don't care about y'all money, even if you do make it, you don't share your resources with us the same way we share our resources with you. >> I think that's just her situation,

Brian Atlasthough. >> It's mo most women who make money. Women I I guess I'll give women credit to some men are simps out here. Men are getting finessed and just women are smart with

Brian Atlastheir money. You you will keep your money to yourself and you could be there's there's a famous like or not famous a viral Tik Tok of this young guy who's dating this girl and he was he was

Brian Atlaslike yeah I pay for everything. I pay for dates. And um some interviewer asked them, "How much do you have in your savings account?" And she was like, "Oh, I have $70,000 in my saving account." And he was like, "I have like 500 bucks."

Brian Atlas>> Oh, I remember. >> And he's still he's still paying for everything. So even when y'all have money, you don't share your resources with us in that same way. And if you do, you begrudgingly do it. And then you

Brian Atlasstart growing contempt and resentment for the man who you're having to provide resources to. So men women move very very differently. >> I don't know why that is though. What do

Brian Atlaswhat do you come natural to y'all? You're not built to be providers. >> Built to provide for sexual >> Oh, you're turn have to pay for a dude.

Brian AtlasOh my god. [ __ ] >> You don't think that's societal though? You think that was truly just innate born in us? I feel like that was just what society >> Yeah, it's society too. Yeah, sure. It's society too. But I don't think women like it probably goes down to men went out and hunted,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> It's providing that the berries and the >> evolutionary psychology component to it. >> Totally. >> But I don't know. I don't see a all all bunch of women are making a bunch of

Brian Atlasmoney. They're doing good. Most women in major cities, they're earning just as much as men, if not more. I don't see these women dying to take out men >> because we don't need men, we want men.

Heidi>> I don't How does that compute with what I just said? >> Like there's a difference. A guy needs a girl to come home to to do his laundry. >> But you don't make it.

Heidi>> Y'all don't do it. >> But that's what you want. You want that in a woman. >> Uh yeah, sure. Okay, cool. Anything from a man. I'm self-sufficient on my own. I just want a man.

Paulina>> For what though? Wait, hold on. What? >> For how long? For like your whole life. >> Whatever. >> What did Kevin Samuel say? Men built the world around you. >> Yeah. >> And there's a lack of appreciation for that. If you really put your money where

Brian Atlasyour mouth is, just get rid of everything they built. Your car, your home, all of your luxuries. >> She when I think to be charitable, when

Brian Atlasshe says women don't need men, she's not saying as a collective. She's saying individualistically >> more individualistic >> women do definitely need men

Brian Atlas>> on a societal level >> beyond yeah >> but women are even sort of ignorant to that nowadays because men have made

Brian Atlassociety so comfortable and so protected >> they've created the beast >> well here to do a very rudimentary explanation of this so like typically let's say you lived in a small tribe

Brian Atlas>> and the there's There's the wilderness on the outside and there's animals, there's other tribes. That's all very in yourrface. >> Mhm. >> Uh and then just like the harsh reality of like

Brian Atlaswhere are we going to get our next water from? Where are we going to get our next food from? Really just like base level survival harsh reality. Men have created society and created a system that has

Brian Atlasbasically streamlined all of that through industry, through civilization building. And women are just like move through society not realizing that

Brian Atlassociety was created and functions due to men's genius, ingenuity, and continuity of labor. So even though we have this

Brian Atlasexisting infrastructure, if all men disappear, y'all [ __ ] Like within 72 hours, the electrical grid gone, internet gone,

Brian Atlasfires start breaking out. >> 90% 90% or I don't know the exact percentage, >> majority firefighters are men. >> Mhm. >> Uh the what what's the other thing? I

Brian Atlasmean, all these critical industries, you remove men for 72 hours, >> devastating to the system. >> Honestly, here's here's my view. If all men disappeared and women didn't have time to like even prep for it, even if

Brian Atlasthey prep for it, I'm not sure how that would go. But if men just disappeared without any pre-planning, 50% of women would be dead within two weeks. >> You understand that those systems were set up by men, though. >> Good. >> That's a good thing. That's what they're

Brian Atlascapable of. If women were running society, we would still be living in grass huts. Yeah, it's not a bad thing >> because and you might think that that's crazy thing to say, but the the

Brian Atlascascading necessity of physical strength to have been able to build certain machinery that now like for example, well, a woman can handle uh you know

Brian Atlasthis m uh I don't know a bulldozer I I guess but the the industry and what led up to those sorts of things was just brute strength and that this is

Brian Atlasreally >> pulled back analysis here, >> but women don't have the same physical strength as men. >> Yeah. >> And they thus they would not have been

Brian Atlasable to invent certain things or have the requisite strength to have enabled the industrial revol revolution. >> Well, I totally agree with where you're

Mars (USC)coming from from a physical labor standpoint. I think that we would not be where we are without men. But I think that until very recently, women did not have the intellectual opportunities to contribute in ways that maybe they would have been what why are you grimacing at

Mars (USC)that >> because it's completely like >> true because it's false. When did when did women scientists join NASA? Much later than men. You know that >> that's NASA. That's that's >> NASA even

Mars (USC)point of this argument though. That's an intellectual asset that women did not have the opportunity to join. They're not contributing and if they get an education, they end up on Only Fans. >> I mean, >> that's such a crazy generalization. >> It's a reality.

Brian Atlas>> That's That's a generalization though. >> No, it's a good generalization. It's a reality. >> Not to say that it's not a good generalization. >> Somebody in the chat said Loy McCoy,

Brian Atlasgood point. Most industrial innovations are labor multipliers. Labor that was previously done by men. So, it's kind of like there I know there's must be a specific term for this. I don't know if

Brian Atlasit's gatekeeping, but there's basically like a threshold that needs to be passed before you can reach the next point. And if the threshold to get to that next

Brian Atlaslevel of civilization is a base level of physical strength, women just wouldn't have had the base level of physical strength to even do it. And then you can get into other conversations like >> um >> I I agree with you

Brian Atlas>> like that. There's well I'm not going to go into the uh greater male variability stuff as it relates to intellect but um >> yeah that's another >> I just think once that threshold is met

Mars (USC)that until very recently in terms of all of history that women could have contributed more to that upper threshold once that base labor was met

Brian Atlas>> I suppose but even the jobs today that society relies on I'm talking critical infrastructure jobs. These are still

Brian Atlaspredominated almost entirely by men. And if men were all of a sudden disappeared, >> you wouldn't be able like >> women wouldn't have the knowledge base or even the physical strength to do some

Brian Atlasof these jobs >> because they haven't gi they haven't been given the opportunity. You don't think it's an opportunity. It's that women don't want to do those jobs. >> Not all women, but I see what you're

Brian Atlassaying. The female brain isn't wired like that. The male brain is so different. >> Well, I wouldn't even make it about the brain. I'll just keep it to physical strength. Um, but here, pull up uh Nick,

Brian Atlaspull up the Discord. We'll really quickly uh go into uh men at work. And while you're doing that, I'm just going to let some of these come through. Hold

SPEAKER_00on. One sec. >> Based Thor donated $69. >> $69 TTS. >> Trying to understand women at this point. >> Thank you, man. They put hair on their

SPEAKER_00hair, put eyelashes on their eyelashes, put nails on their nails. Women are so fake these days. >> Brian, remove the makeup. $34s. >> Yo, thank you, Bor. Appreciate it, man.

SPEAKER_00Thank you for the message. Maybe if time permitting, we'll do the makeup removal segment. >> Toast donated $69. I don't understand the money requirements. I live in Midwest. I just

SPEAKER_00bought a house, five bed, two bath. I make 45K a year and still have money to save for a family. You all need to make better decisions.

Ellie / Jamie>> Okay, Toast. How much does your partner make in a year? >> I don't think I did say that. >> He might have not had one. I don't know. >> You can make $45,000.

SPEAKER_00>> Ch XD donated $69. Zuma women better pray to the god. They don't even believe in that artificial wombs don't become a thing. >> I can't see a single reason to be with

Brian Atlasone. I've sent them being a vessel for reproduction. >> I don't know if I agree with that, but thank you, Chaw, for the message. Appreciate it. Thank you for the message, man. >> Uh, let's see.

Brian AtlasWe got Pen Maker here coming in. Thank you, man. Thank you, Pen Maker.

SPEAKER_00>> Pen Maker donated $69. Chair 2 is based, but only in hindsight. Chair 8's custody story is super sus. Chair 5 still has a chance to do it

SPEAKER_00right. Stay the course. The rest of the panel is more cooked than Brian's burritos. >> It's true. >> A burrito sounds good.

Brian Atlas>> You can eat a fat burrito if you want. >> Anyways, we're not going to linger too long on >> Discord. >> Oh, the Discord. Yeah. Okay. We'll just

Brian Atlasdo one super quick. men at work. >> Just Windows fine. Uh just play that first one. Just mute the audio. Uh mute. Yeah, just mute the audio. Yeah. Uh just

Brian Atlasfull screen with it really quick. >> I ain't doing that. No way. >> Yeah, women ain't doing this. Start from the beginning again really quick. Oh, that gives you There's no way. >> Even just watching. >> I agree though. I agree that men are

Brian Atlasbetter for labor. >> Exile that. >> I agree. >> Right. But like women live in those buildings, but they'll never make them. Um, >> true. >> So, let's do click on the manhole

Mars (USC)worker. >> I I've never seen women do this one. >> What? >> Go ahead. Just play it. >> Oh, is this the the welding? The underwater welding. >> Uh,

Brian Atlas>> such a dangerous career field. >> Wait, is it going to actually >> Oh, he's going into some [ __ ] gnarly >> women ain't doing that. X out that. It

Paulinahas to be done. Somebody's got to do it. X that uh you know, firefighter. Scroll up. Scroll up. >> Brick laying. Talk better. >> Scroll up. >> Uh here. We'll just do these. >> That one. Oh, the the one with the

Zenacockroaches. Oh [ __ ] >> Play that one full screen. >> Oh no. >> Hell no. >> Real. >> What good? >> Yeah. I was just thinking that.

Brian Atlas>> So the buildings you occupy, somebody has to build the buildings. >> Yeah. All those, you know, the the air conditioned office jobs that you guys are working, somebody has to build them.

SPEAKER_11>> It's not women. >> X outfit. >> All right, this is the last one. Play play the thought. >> Full screen it. >> That's a good one. >> Who would have thought men with testosterone are stronger than women with >> thought? Y'all don't want to do these

Brian Atlasjobs. Somebody got to do them. >> Yeah, you're you are right. >> Yeah. I don't need no man. >> Y'all, you see a spider 20 feet away, you guys lose your minds. >> 100%. Yes, sir. >> I think most of us agree with you. I don't know who disagrees, but I'm

Brian Atlas>> agreeing. >> We're going to move on though really quick. I'm going to blast through a couple of these. Uh, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date? Starting with you. >> I am 52 and I believe I said 510. >> Yep.

SPEAKER_14>> 5'9 over 6 feet. I like >> 51 and minimum 5'7. I'm 5'7. 5'9. >> Okay. Ellie. >> 57. >> Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike.

Ellie / Jamie>> 57. 5'5. You wrote 410. >> Well, when I was thinking that, I was like, >> she wants a >> This is every every scenario bring up you bring up in those questions. I'm

Ellie / Jamiethinking they're perfect and then they're also, you know, 2 in tall. And then I'm thinking, okay, well, that would make up for it all. >> What about you? >> Um, I'm 5'5 and I would say 5'4 is like my minimum.

Ellie / Jamie>> What about you? >> Uh, 5'8 and minimum is 6 foot. >> What about you? Uh, I'm 5'2 and I mean I'm short so, but my husband's like 6'2, 61. >> Would you rather cross paths with a

Ellie / Jamierandom man or random bear on a hike? >> A bear. >> Man. >> A man. >> Man. >> Man. >> A bear. >> Man. >> Definitely a man. >> Yeah. >> Uh, why do you pick bear? Why do you

Heidipick bear? Why don't you pick man? >> I know how to escape a bear. >> You >> Yes. I went to church camp. We learned about how to escape a bear.

SPEAKER_11>> Tell us the steps. >> Not when he goes for escaping a bear. >> Grizzly bear or what? The brown bear or the >> show big and huge. >> Yeah, show us. >> Yeah, but you have to walk differently for different bears. >> And then you have to

Brian Atlas>> for which bear though? You're going to die if you get the wrong bear. >> Cuz they can't see diagonal direction. >> So you feel more confident um with the the the the bear basically. >> Yeah. Because you don't know what a man's going to do.

Zena>> Exactly. >> A man could kill me. I can't just say >> run away from a man. >> Okay. Uh All right. And why'd you pick her? >> I just watch a lot of true crime. I know a lot of statistics about stuff like

Brian Atlasthat. I'm seeing a man in the woods. I'm already thinking I'm getting got just most men don't don't commit this crime. That's what most men >> So, you know, if you were if you were bedding

Zena>> in the woods. >> Yeah. Most >> if I see a man or bear, I I just I would rather see a bear. I would rather see a bear personally because if I'm seeing a man out there, my first thought is I'm going to get got. >> Stop the cap.

Zena>> I'm not. No, I'm so serious. You know that you walk by 32 serial killers in your life. Like that shit's scary. >> If you run into a bear, how do you know? >> I would rather I would if I'm in if

Brian Atlaswe're talking about the scenario in the woods, I would rather run into a bear. That's just my reasoning. >> You guys, does it come down to this? Like the man could essay you? Is that kind of the thing?

Zena>> It's just like if I'm in the woods and I see an unknown man like obviously like that that's just weird. Like for for me, I'd be my guard would be up. Not that I wouldn't be up with a bear, but I'm saying there's something I'd rather see. I'd rather see a bear.

Paulina>> How many times have you crossed paths with an unknown male and something happened? >> Say that. >> A lot. >> I'm sure you've gone hiking, walking, and you've crossed paths many times. Have you been raped or what? >> None of your business.

Zena>> Well, there's a reason why you're avoiding them in the woods. >> Well, I don't think that's avoiding them. I feel like there's nothing wrong with wanting to not run into a man in the woods. >> But if you can't avoid the bear,

Zena>> but I feel I feel like I feel like there's nothing wrong with me. Like I'm not judging your fact that you chose a man. Just saying. Like I chose the bear because I don't I would rather run into a bear than see a strange man in the

Brian Atlaswoods. I know. >> Okay. Um, just a couple things on this. So, I my analysis is uh I think women greatly underestimate the risk profile of an encounter with a random bear and

Brian Atlasgreatly overestimate the risk profile of an encounter with a random man. >> Uh, if you guys had to say though, like what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to either harm you or

Mars (USC)essay you? It's probably a low percentage statistically, but we obviously are products of our own environment and experiences. And maybe the women who share that they would rather run into a bear have had bad experiences with men in the past that

Brian Atlasmake them inclined to have that answer. >> Sure. I want to just we're not going to linger too long on the bear thing, but I do want to propose the following. So

Brian Atlasfrom your perspective, do you think it's okay for women to have I guess this view or hesitancy towards men because of

Mars (USC)either statistics that might be out there, whether true or false, or their own experiences with men. >> Of course, I think it's a protective measure. Um I I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think in an

Brian Atlasideal world that wouldn't exist, but that's just a reality. >> Okay. And do you think that the the average bear is more or less or the same? I guess more or less dangerous than the average man.

Brian Atlas>> I would probably say more dangerous. >> Men more dangerous or >> No, the bear. I was I was I would rather see a man on a hike than a bear. >> So here's I guess my issue with it is the rhetoric surrounding the whole picking the bear thing.

Brian Atlas>> Uhhuh. >> It does seem a little bigoted, a little sexist. >> Okay. >> And here's why. If we were to change the hypothetical and we were to change it to would you

Brian Atlasrather come across a black person >> or a bear. >> Okay. >> I think it would be racist >> to not say >> to to pick the bear over a black person.

Brian Atlas>> So then I think it would logically follow that it must be sexist to pick bear over man. >> Why would you think that it's racist to pick a bear over a black person? >> Why would I think it's racist?

Zena>> Yeah. Why would you think that's racist? Unless your reason is race. Why would that be racist? Like like that's like my thought process. >> You don't think it would be racist? Like a white person's like I want to I would definitely pick a barrel. >> Not initially. Not initially. Unless

Zenathey said their reason was race. Like that wouldn't be my initial thought. >> You're saying the reason might be gender as opposed to >> Yeah. The re the reason might just might just be I don't want want to run into a random person. Like like you specifying

Zenathey're black might not necessarily mean that they don't want to run into them. Like I don't think unless they say, "Oh, I'm I don't I want to run into a bear because I don't want to run into a black person because I don't like black

Brian Atlaspeople." That's completely different than like than like I rather run into a bear than a black person. >> I'll use the same standard that you use. The standard would be because of negative experiences that I've had or

Brian Atlasbecause of statistics that are either true or false. >> That's the reason for the pick. That's the same standard that that's the same standard that you use for men. >> Yes. I I said statistics. I never said

Brian Atlasbecause of my own experiences. >> Sure. You do realize other racial groups could point to certain statistics and say there's a discrepancy in criminality between the races.

Zena>> Yes. And honestly for me, I feel like that's your prerogative cuz it's a hypothetical question. And if that's your answer, then that's your answer. I can't really change it. Well, I'm not I'm not saying it's

Zenaspecifically your answer, but I'm saying that like for me it's like that's your prerogative. I may not agree with it or I may not like it, but there's really nothing I can do about it cuz it's your opinion and the least I can do is respect it. >> Well, sure. I guess you can accept that

Brian Atlasit's my opinion, but would you make a determination that my opinion happens to be racist? >> Not not unless you gave me other reasons to think that you're racist.

Brian AtlasWell, if it's the case that in, let's say, not necessarily me, but a person in the scenario, uh, they're white and they specifically don't choose the black

Brian Atlasperson, they choose the bear because they say that, well, I've had one, two, or three negative experiences with a black person because of that. Or, you know, they cite to crime statistics. I don't want to encounter a black person

Brian Atlasbecause of that. I would say that that's racist. You really I agree with I I >> I think it's racist because I don't think I mean that is kind of the definition of racism is judging an

Brian Atlasindividual or a group of individual on the entire or the actions of like a percentage often times a small percentage of said group. >> So for example the majority of black

Brian Atlaspeople are not criminals. There happens to be some statistics that indicate that when it comes to uh racial crime statistics that black people are over represented >> as it relates to certain crimes.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> I wouldn't then say all black people are criminals or I'm scared of black people because of X. >> Yeah. >> I think that would be racist. >> Yeah, that makes sense. I understand that. I think >> Do you have something on this? >> Yeah. Go ahead.

Heidi>> So, I think I've run into bear on multiple occasions. I grew up in Pennsylvania in the woods. Like we had bear all the time. We had bears at my house. We had bears at camp. Like, I'm

Heidinot scared of a bear. There are tons of different people. A bear is just a bear. It's an animal. Like, it will attack you if you threaten it. >> Um, but a person, you don't know if they have a weapon on them. You don't know

Heidiwhat type of person they are. You don't know if they're a crackhead in the woods. You don't you don't know who they are or what type of person they are. They could be very unwell. They could be a criminal. They could be a serial

Heidikiller. You don't know what you're encountering in that situation, but with a bear, you know what you're encountering. You're in the woods.

HeidiYou're in wildlife. It's more normal to encounter a bear. You would expect a bear, you would expect deer, you would expect rabbits, you would expect fox, a wolf. >> You're on a hike. The question is,

Brian Atlasyou're on a a hike. Men and women go on hikes all the time, so it's not weird to run into a man when you're on a hike. >> It's said in the woods. No. Would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear on a hike?

Brian Atlas>> Okay. What you said was woods though. That's what you've been saying. That's what we've been saying. >> Well, the from the questionnaire, what's written on the questionnaire is doesn't say woods. It could be in the woods on a hike.

Brian Atlas>> I still think a bear. >> But are you is this in response to the introducing the racial component to the conversation? >> Yeah. Because you don't know who that >> Well, I'll pose it to you then. Would you rather encounter a bear or a black

Brian Atlasperson? >> A bear in general. It doesn't matter who the person >> I think that's kind of a racist position to hold, but I would way rather ran run into whether it's a man, whether it's a woman, a black person than the bear. >> Is that what you just said? You rather

Brian AtlasOh, you'd rather never >> No, she picks the bear. Even if it's just black person. >> Even if it could be a black It might be a black woman, too. She still picks the bear. >> Yeah, >> I expect a bear in the woods. I that's

Brian Atlasand I've encountered bear and never had an issue encountering a bear in >> How many bears have you encountered? >> I've encountered five in one day. >> Okay. You walk past hundreds of men in a

Heididay and nothing happens. >> That is not true. >> In our area, we have so many things happen with men every day in my

Brian Atlasneighborhood. Like, it's not safe. >> Wait, you spend $20,000 a year, but you live in a dangerous neighborhood? LA is dangerous. >> There's parts of LA which are relatively safe.

Heidi>> I worked at Century City Mall and somebody killed themselves. Like it's not safe. >> Hold on. >> Suicide is that's wasn't safe for them. >> I don't know. >> You didn't impose harm. >> I just don't know why if you're making

Brian Atlaslike you say you want a guy who makes $400,000 a year. Why would you like slum it when you're making that much money? Like why would you live You say you live a luxury lifestyle. Why are you living in You said you live in a dangerous part

Brian Atlasof LA. I guess is all of LA dangerous? >> All of LA is dangerous. >> Really? Like Pacific Palisades is dangerous. Malibu LA. >> I don't know LA neighborhoods.

Mars (USC)>> But we're talking like actual downtown LA. Like I live in a luxury apartment. It's about $3,000 a month. But just being in the heart of LA, there's like fentanyl homeless people like two blocks down. That's kind of just the reality of

Heidithat city. >> If you're Okay, but if you're walking down I get that. I will not walk down the street. I will not even cross the street in my neighborhood because it's so dangerous. >> Where do you >> Are you comfortable sharing where you what neighborhood you're in? You don't

Heidihave to. >> We're in mid city on the border of Culver. It's supposed to be a very nice area. >> Is it? I don't know. >> It's better than downtown. It's better than >> obviously not that nice of an area,

Heidi>> but that's how it is in LA. Like there's shootings all the time. Like if you are on the citizen app, you don't know where these things are happening unless you >> shootings like I don't know you're like

Heidia blown woman doesn't seem like we had FBI in front of our place the SWAT team like I don't think you're a high target for a shoot. I mean it could happen but I don't know if you're like high a priority. There's a lot of gang crime in LA.

Heidi>> Like there's a lot of >> Are you in a gang? Is that what it is? >> I don't know. There's a lot of drive by shootings in our area. Like >> wait what what's the typical like what do they say? Like where are you from? Is that what they say? Is that what where you from? >> Not where are you from? Where you from?

SPEAKER_11I don't know. Whatever. >> Where you stay? >> Who you roll with? G. >> Okay. White boy. Don't hurt him. Don't

Brian Atlashurt him. White chocolate. >> Gangster. Okay. All right. I don't know. Um I'm just saying. I don't know. How about this? Um,

Paulinawould you rather leave your baby with a woman or a bear? >> That's such an Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is a tough one. I'm going to need to take a few.

Brian Atlas>> A woman. >> Well, because there there are statistics that show that women are way more likely to commit infanticide, so killing of a infant

Brian Atlas>> than a bear. >> That's your child. But the the the the statistics show that women are over represented in this crime of infanticide.

Mars (USC)>> Should we leave our babies with >> Oh, so you're saying women kill more of their own children than men. Is that the statistic? Okay. >> Yeah. They're more likely to kill their infants >> intentionally or unentally.

Brian Atlas>> Intentionally. >> I There's a lot that goes into that. >> For women, I would Well, yeah. Postpartum depression. >> Wait, hold on. Are we are we about to like are we about to handwave away murdering

Mars (USC)>> infants? Are you guys trying to just Bro, this >> psychological explanations for people's behavior. That doesn't mean it's a justification and what they did was right. There's just always an explanation.

Kamaya>> You're also saying a random woman or or the mother of that child. >> I feel like realistically >> a random w like I wouldn't random >> waving away

Brian Atlasin fantasy. That's not what was happening. They were animals from a psychological perspective. >> Hold on. But if like a guy Wait. So I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't do this thing where like if a guy essayed a

Brian Atlaswoman but he had mental health issues. I wouldn't just be like well >> he No, I'd be like, "Yeah, he's a piece of [ __ ] I don't care what mental health issues he has." >> Yeah. That's not what we were trying to do. Obviously [ __ ] death penalty. I completely

Brian Atlasagree with you. It's there's just an explanation, not an excuse. They're just explanations for things. >> The show >> for love it. Moving on. >> Uh, let's see. Anybody any disagreements? Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Brian AtlasOkay, we're going to blast through some of the questions on the questionnaire. Oh, Nick, thank you for the reminder. Just came to mind. Nick

Brian AtlasDef. Uh, okay. Hold on. I'll come back to it. [ __ ] Uh, okay. Let's see. Does anybody uh Oh, you're What are your pronouns? She they

Brian Atlas>> she Anybody else a they? A zur. Any zers at the table? >> I had a teacher who was a zur. >> The [ __ ] are you doing to your ears? Ellie, calm down. Oh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> She was talk She's been talking way too much tonight. >> Uh oh. Uh just you have the pronouns. So are you are you like non-binary? >> I'm gender fluid.

Zena>> You're gender fluid? >> Yes. So, some days you're a he or just they? >> Um, some only like my really really

Zenaclose friends do like he and stuff. They But like um outside of that mostly she they >> sometimes you're he. >> Yeah. Only with like really close people.

Mars (USC)>> What What pronouns do you use for her? >> I have just only used she her. And I think if it was a big enough deal, you would have told me to call you by other pronouns. I've only called her she, her, though.

Brian Atlas>> Cool. >> Bitching. >> So, some days you're a man and some days you're a woman and some days you're non-binary and you're a they. Ellie, how do you

Ellie / Jamiefeel about this? >> How do I feel about the pronouns? >> What are your thoughts? >> They in specific like >> Yes. How do you feel about they? >> They you seem like a pretty cool they. Um I don't know too many.

Ellie / Jamie>> Sorry. I think them. How do you feel about them? >> Oh, we got there. They um >> I mean it doesn't obstruct anything in my daily life. So, I don't really care that much.

Brian Atlas>> How do you mentality >> cuz Ellie's not she's a 4chan um frequenter. >> What? And she has some very spicy takes

Ellie / Jamieon this and I feel like she's not fully >> What spicy takes? >> You seem like you know more than I do. Are you Are you Are you homophobic? >> Are you homophobic?

Brian Atlas>> Are you homophobic? >> No, you keep saying she has hot takes. I'm like, what is she about to drop? >> There's no >> She's like >> everything is lukewarm here. >> Uh so you guys uh didn't have a chance

Brian Atlasto answer the questionnaire, so but I'll direct. Uh, do you think a man dating a transgender woman is straight?

Mars (USC)>> I think if they the the woman the trans woman went through gender reassignment surgery um and has fully transitioned in terms that they're fully on estrogen and

Mars (USC)hormones because honestly you you cannot tell for a good handful of trans women then I would say yes. >> I can I can tell. >> Sure. >> Okay. Um, >> are you? >> Yeah.

Mars (USC)>> Wait, you are? >> No. >> Like, you're pregnant. How the [ __ ] >> He saw. >> See, you don't know. >> So, go ahead. Go ahead. >> That's just my I believe that if the

Mars (USC)woman fully transitioned, um, then they're straight. But, I don't know. I again, I am very open-minded when it comes to sexuality, gender, life in general. Um, so, okay. >> I don't know. I I it does nobody's

Brian Atlashurting me. I respect everybody. So, >> what if they haven't had the gender reassignment s? So, just the bottom surgery, are they would that be straight >> if they have had bottom surgery? They have not >> have not.

Mars (USC)>> Well, I they're they're a woman, right? >> I think that gender and sex are two different things. I think sex is related to your genitalia and your hormones such as estrogen or testosterone, but gender

Mars (USC)can be more of a fluid spectrum. Obviously, people feel different ways about that, but that's my opinion in my social analysis of it. your sex. No sex. You have XX chromosomes or you have XY

Mars (USC)chromosomes. You can be a biological male or you can be a biological female. And I think there's a third. >> There's like interex. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, it's super rare. Most transgender people are not intersect.

Mars (USC)>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I think if gender reassignment surgery hasn't gone through, me personally, I think that if you as a man are attracted to somebody who has the same genitalia as you, that

Mars (USC)is just not what the definition of being straight is, you know? I think that you have to have a sexual attraction to, you know, female genitalia. But that's just me. And again, I don't know. I'm always

Brian Atlasopen to any perspective when it comes to that. That's just how I feel right now. Well, so so straight is short form slang for heterosexual, >> right?

Brian Atlas>> And so sexuality relates to your attraction to someone's sex. >> Mhm. Exactly. >> Uh even granting the differences in gender identity. So somebody's a male, but that gender identity is that of a a

Brian Atlaswoman, >> right? >> Uh it's baked into the term itself, heterosexuality. >> So heterosexuality to males even regardless of the gender identity. So if

Brian Atlasone of them if two males one of them is cis kind of annoying term but uh and the other is a transgender woman >> that is that can never be if two males

Brian Atlasare having sex it can never be straight >> even if um they've gone through gender reassignment surgery. >> They have they had a sex reassignment

Mars (USC)surgery that's not well I wouldn't grant that you can change your sex. >> Okay. Well, I I think honestly I'm not the most educated on it. Okay. So, it's

Mars (USC)imposs even when you fully transition. Like if I had surgery and went through testosterone and stuff, it's not possible cuz people do change their sex on their government IDs. What do you

Brian Atlasthink about that? Cuz you're saying it's just a gender reassignment surgery. Is that not technically a sex? if I was somehow managed to like convince the government that I was 10 years younger

Brian Atlasthan I actually am and they were like, "Okay, well, like I bamboozled them and then they put it on my ID that I was actually 25 instead of 35 or whatever." >> Uhhuh. >> Would my age actually be 25 or would it

Mars (USC)be 35? >> Yeah. But that's not real. What is real is the fact that you can change your sex on your ID, not the fact that you can >> Right. Just because something is reflected on a laminated government

Zenaissued card doesn't mean it's true. >> So even if you had like the surgery, the tea, the like estrogen,

Zenaeverything, you changed everything. You changed the sex for you would be like if a male is still male, >> it wouldn't be transgender. >> Yeah. It wouldn't be straight to you.

Brian Atlas>> No, it wouldn't. I guess I can kind of see where coming from. >> Yeah. Can you? >> No, I I can because >> I understand where you're coming from. >> Even Even if she's got perfect fake

Brian Atlastitties and she kind of looks like a woman, even though I have some disputes over this, whatever. I don't know. There's some women in Thailand who I guess do pretty good job. Whatever. >> Uh, and the they got the the vagina.

Brian Atlas>> It's not That's not [ __ ] >> It's not It ain't [ __ ] >> It's a gaping hole. It's a They insize a hole into you and invert the penis in, >> right? >> The the penis tissue is in That's not [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> I just ate. >> I understand what you're saying. >> It ain't [ __ ] >> It's not. >> Uh, you know, as somebody who's familiar with labas, not a [ __ ] Not labia. Not labia. Not [ __ ] It's inverted penis.

Ellie / Jamie>> It's interesting. They have the the actual procedure. They do it if there's a video for it. There's several at this point, but like they do it with Play-Doh and they show you how it's done. >> I've seen it. It's crazy. >> It's wild. >> Yeah, it's crazy.

Mars (USC)>> I hear where you're coming from. Can I ask you just, >> you know, if you're comfortable talking about it, which I assume you are, just what your opinion on transgender and LGBT people are. >> Well, the LGBT and transgender is

Brian Atlasdifferent. >> LGBT. Well, what do you think the T stands for? >> Right. There's lesbian, there's gay, there's bisexual. That's kind of really different >> than >> so you have different opinions on sexuality versus

Brian Atlas>> gender identity. >> Uh so okay I I mean I guess I'll say this. So trans people exist. It's a phenomenon. I'm not denying it. Uh gay people, bisexual people exist. This is

Brian Atlasobviously something. Uh speaking specifically on the trans thing though, uh what's my general thought on it? Is that your >> I guess like do you respect trans people is my baseline question or do you think

Brian Atlasit's just an abomination? >> An abomination? That's an interesting word. Uh do I Yes. I I would say I respect trans people.

Brian Atlas>> I would say that these people I I don't think that they should receive because they're trans. I don't think they should be hurt in any sort of way. I don't think they should

Brian Atlasbe bullied. I don't think that they should. I I I wish for them to have happy lives. I have no ill will or hatred in my heart for people who are trans. However,

Brian AtlasI don't subscribe to this idea. Well, a couple different ideas. Uh I don't believe that you should give children puberty blockers. I don't think trans women should be competing.

Brian Atlas>> I agree with both of those uh in women's sports. Yeah. >> Uh there is I don't really have uh

Brian Atlaswhat's the term? I don't have a dog in the fight really, but probably shouldn't go into women's bathrooms. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Um >> I see where you're coming from.

Brian Atlas>> Or women's changing rooms. And if you're like I'll use their new name. Like if there used to be Bob and now they're Jessica,

Brian AtlasI'll use Jessica. I won't use the the pronouns, >> but I will use their new name. Okay. >> And uh

Brian Atlas>> but besides that, I think that I don't I don't buy into it. >> Yeah, >> I don't buy into it. I wish them well. I

Brian AtlasI don't have any hatred for them. Mhm. >> Uh I think there's like certain at least with like children stay away from the kids like they can if look

Brian Atlasif you want to transition when you're 18 people you can't be stopped whatever. Uh although I may probably have some opinions on that. Like is it like you're going to be a

Brian Atlasphysician assistant? Like is this in contravention of like do no harm like chopping off men's penises like mutilating people under the guise of healthcare? But like what if they have a

Brian Atlasmental illness? >> I've definitely seen it firsthand and I've definitely come across it. >> So I mean ultimately like I my perspective is I think there is a mental illness component to this. >> Okay. like in the same way that we wouldn't like affirm somebody who's schizophrenic,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> Like whatever their delusions are, I do think that uh there's a mental illness component to this. >> Okay. >> Can I add something to that? >> Sure. >> Um I think for me it's hard to

Kamayaunderstand why it wouldn't be considered a mental illness. One, because if you do consider it, you get covered by insurance a lot of the times and the procedures get covered. Um and this is like >> purely insurance purposes. like if you

Kamayause gender dysphoria or whatever, you can get certain things covered in certain like benefits from that. But to me, like it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me why it wouldn't be. And I

Mars (USC)don't think that's a bad thing though. Like I don't think that's >> I feel like you guys have opposite arguments. Huh. I said I feel like you guys have opposite arguments in the sense that you're saying you feel it

Mars (USC)should be classified as a mental illness so insurance can cover the transition, right? Am I getting that right? >> Yeah. I wouldn't >> I feel he doesn't think >> Yeah. >> Think why?

Mars (USC)>> Well, you >> don't buy into it, right? So, you probably don't think that people should be transitioning in the first place. That doesn't mean you wish them any ill will or whatever. I I acknowledge that they have the

Brian Atlaschoice to do it and America grants us certain freedoms to do things that I might nec not necessarily agree with. But uh like I mean should the government

Brian Atlasbe like paying for it or >> there's a there is like a consideration when it comes to the healthcare field like is there a component of it's making them a lot of money?

Ellie / Jamie>> Yes, it is. and you become a lifetime like >> patient >> patient too. >> So there was a there was a debate >> there was a debate on um modern debate

Ellie / Jamiethe modern debate channel um I want to say it was like maybe two months ago um and there was something that was brought up about like how it can be identified in early childhood as late in

Ellie / Jamiehomosexuality. Um, but something about the way in which it is handled, like if there are some God, I wish I could remember. Totally

Ellie / Jamierecommend going back and listening to this though. Um, but he was basically saying that if it's identified in early childhood, typically with boys, it shows up as just homosexuality. And once, you

Ellie / Jamieknow, for a period of time that they come off of the puberty blockers, things kind of sort of like end up, you know, running their natural course. and they they are just simply gay men and they

Ellie / Jamiedon't want to become women. But there was also a um a conditioning point too and I I'm forgetting what what he said. >> Can I ask you a question though? Let's you want kids one day.

Brian Atlas>> I do. >> Okay. Let's say your 10-year-old son comes to you says, "Hey, mom, think I'm a girl." How do you proceed? I think that um I'd

Mars (USC)probably go to therapy, not on some conversion [ __ ] but just to educate myself on what exactly that means for me as a parent. I >> probably would be respectful in the

Mars (USC)sense that I would support my child in let's say my son wanted to become a girl um and become my daughter, I would call her by she, her, whatever name she wanted to go by. Maybe I would immediately

Mars (USC)>> um obviously I'm I'm used to calling your son by he him calling your son by the boy name. So there would be a period of transition but I would try to remain respectful like right away. I I understand. >> Yes, I would I would >> you might make mistakes.

Brian Atlas>> I would need to have a conversation with my partner, but eliminating my partner and their opinion and their thoughts and everything and this is >> let's assume your partner completely agrees with is going to completely agree with you on everything >> and I realize that yes, there would be

Brian Atlassome mistakes that occur because you're making whatever you accidentally misgender them a couple times, but would you immediately just start they they come to you and say, "I think I'm a girl. I want you to start using my new

Mars (USC)name and my pronoun she her." To be honest, I think I would need to talk to a life coach and a psychologist, a children's psychologist before telling you for sure that I would do that just to make sure that there's not going to

Mars (USC)be any long-term ramifications in case that they do go back on their gender and they, you know what I mean, dransition. But I would try to be supportive in the best way that I can by calling them by their new pronouns, new name, allowing

Mars (USC)them to express themsel and fashion and makeup and whatever it may be. But I would not >> immediately though. I I I'm gonna say yes, but I would if this was a real

Mars (USC)scenario, I would educate myself. Um, but I would not allow my child to do any gender reassignment or any hormonal things before 18. And honestly, I posed the question too if that should even

Brian Atlashappen before the age of 25 just cuz your brain is not fully developed. >> Well, hold on. What if the the medical community said actually this gender

Brian Atlasaffirming care is what is medically indicated and they say that well if you want your trans transgender child to

Brian Atlashave the best transition possible, you should transition them and put them on puberty blockers to stop male puberty so that they can, you know, their voice doesn't get deeper. certain, you know,

Brian Atlasbody hair, they don't go through male puberty. That that is the they're saying this that that is the best >> case thing and that's what the medical >> Yeah. I mean, if you're telling me that

Mars (USC)medical professionals are recommending, then yes, of course, I I would do that. I have no problem with it socially. So, if that is the best thing to do medically to make my child happy and healthy, then of course I would do it.

Brian AtlasNow, do you believe that certain doctors can be ideologically captured? >> You do you mean biased or what do you mean by that? >> Like they're ideologically captured. >> So repeating the word doesn't help me

Brian Atlasunderstand it any better. >> Okay. Uh you realize that for example uh you said you'd go to a therapist. Therapists are overwhelmingly left-leaning. Uh-huh. >> So, they're typically going to have like

Brian Atlasideology that is >> uh in line with like mainstream leftist or >> left-leaning propaganda, which would

Brian Atlasrelate to LGBTQ stuff, specifically transgender stuff. And the transgend the the official position of the transgender community is that it's absolutely

Mars (USC)acceptable and fine and encouraged >> to medically transition children and to give them puberty blockers. >> Can I jump in real quick that um I'll

Mars (USC)just finish my answer and then you can do it. Um I did mention that I would also go to a psychologist and a life coach which aren't necessarily left-leaning. You think all life coaches are left leaning? >> I don't know why you'd go life coach, but like a psychologist or psychiatrist,

Mars (USC)they're >> all of them are >> a lot of them are women >> and a lot of them tend to lean left. >> Okay. Um I would try my very best to get a um diverse sample of opinions.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> What exactly was your question? >> Well, you wanted to come in on this. >> I got to be at work at 6. >> I had no clue it was going to go on this long. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry, but I had a blast. Uh, let me just before you leave, let me see if you

Brian Atlashave any notes here we need to get to. Go for it. Hold on. >> Uh, sorry. Uh, it's Paulina, right? >> Yes. >> Uh, really quick, there's only one note here for you. You said your, uh,

Brian Atlasex-boyfriend took you to a bar on the first date. You don't drink. >> Um. >> Oh, my experience. Okay. Yeah. >> Oh, he waited outside your house till 7. Okay. I don't know if there's anything there. >> Not really anything there. He just he

Brian Atlashad a skew. >> I'll see. You'll take her seat. >> Yeah. No thanks. >> By the way, guys, for the rest of the panel, we're going to get this wrapped up here pretty soon. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate me, too, cuz >> Hi, guys. It was nice to meet you. >> Nice meeting you. >> Safe. >> Uh oh. Why is Oh, audio. Audio. Unmute the audio, please.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Props to Ozark and crew. I'll priest if needed. When? Let me know. >> All right. Thank you, Otis Driftwood. Appreciate. We have some chats coming through here. >> Which one are you? >> Thank you, brother.

Brian Atlas>> Red pill or blue pill? >> Boom. He says, "Appreciate the show." W Felicity joining the panel. >> Make a donated $69.

Brian AtlasTheir minds are so open that their thoughts are falling out. >> We are talking >> for show. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Thank you, Penmaker. We have Christopher coming in here in just a moment. Guys,

Brian Atlasif you want uh get a We're not doing a roast, so we're just going to leave at 69 if you want to get one in. $69 TTS. That's streamlabs.com/w whatever. It's

SPEAKER_00about to come in here in just a sec. >> Sorry guys, there's >> Christopher donated $70. Should trans women be counted in abortion statistics?

ZenaShould trans men have to register for the selective service? >> Um, my question is why would trans women be counted in abortion statistics? >> They don't have biologically that's not even possible.

Mars (USC)>> Um, for trans >> or maybe or maybe that's your point. Or maybe that's your point. Just for the for the latter part of that question, I guess in terms of getting drafted. Yeah, if you want to be a trans man, I believe

SPEAKER_00there's a war. >> Mister, should I thank you for coming in today? Why are you gay? You are gay. You are a transgender and a gay rights activist.

Brian AtlasYou're gay. >> I love how transgender is like a slur, like you are transgender. All right, cool. All right. Uh, we can't linger too long on the on that topic, though. >> Okay. So, >> couple more things here and we'll hope

Brian Atlaswe'll get this wrapped up as soon as possible. >> Um, wait this. Okay. For you. Um, did you say that you make like the

Brian Atlaspeople who you're interested in like long-term potential boyfriend, do you make them wait before hooking up? >> I did not say that. >> Okay, never mind then. I don't know. Somebody said, "Hey, Brian, you should ask her about this because it's

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