Tradthot E-GIRL DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #255

Date: 2025-08-11

Duration: 8h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJamie (Teacher)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Zena(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ellie / Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kamaya(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Paulina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mars (USC)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elizabeth(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentHeidi reveals situationship partner is a male sex worker

Key MomentRinggate e-girl drama: Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan controversy

Key MomentHeidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

OtherPaulina leaves the show at ~472 min

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Heidi (situationship with male sex worker) and Jamie (DV survivor).

Heidi Male Sex Worker Reveal

Heidi's situationship partner is a male sex worker.

Ringgate E-Girl Drama

Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan Twitter drama react.

Farting in Relationships

Brian's strong anti-farting stance in relationships.

Equal Partnership vs Providing

Heidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

Paper Abortion Debate

Legal paternal surrender / male reproductive rights debate.

Body Count Round

Heidi 1, Elizabeth 2, Kamaya 5, Mars under 25, Ellie 0, Zena 10-25, Jamie 8.

Transcript

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Ellie / Jamiewhatever. Like, so the least >> an alligator >> you can do is be, I guess, submissive to your guy. Yeah, I like that actually. >> But your man, not just some [ __ ] boy. >> Well, it's like that that would be the

Brian Atlasdynamic. Is she submissive? It's a temperature check. It's something that takes no effort. It takes no skill. Anybody can do it. I suppose you have to be like able-bodied to some degree. Like if you're

Brian Atlas>> really really disabled, you can't do it. Like you have to be a parapolgic, >> quadripollegic actually to not be able to do a well I guess. You could still bow in a wheelchair, I guess. But if you're quad,

Brian Atlas>> you're bow, >> in which case you have way bigger problems than the [ __ ] bow conversation. But >> uh >> genulection to show respect.

Mars (USC)>> I think there's levels to submission though, like that. >> And even in like actual, you know, cultures that partake in bowing, like in Japan, for example, that was something I experienced when I was in Tokyo. Like

Mars (USC)the further you bow, it's like the deeper respect. Yes. That you give to the person. So it's like do you want your [ __ ] on her hands and knees? Like you know what I mean? Like where's your >> She could be like a I think you know I

Brian Atlashaven't actually. Have I done this? I don't know. Maybe some extra some who knows. She's a table for me and I eat my food off of her. >> Oh, okay. You're into that. >> Just kidding. That's No, regular tables are better. Women are not that great of

Brian Atlastables. >> Okay. I don't know. My husband would >> Is that Is it more sexist? Is it more sexist to say women don't make good tables? >> They're not sturdy enough, >> I think. >> Or is it

Mars (USC)>> Women have curves? So, I think that it makes sense that they wouldn't have the best foundation for a table. They're kind of squishy. >> Yeah. No, >> I don't know. Anyways, uh I guess a

Brian Atlascouple things on the bow thing. It again, it's totally effortless. It takes no effort. It's an easy thing you can do to show that you respect your man. You're going to be

Brian Atlassubmissive. You might in your head you're like, "This is not something I normally do, but I like this guy so much that I'm going to do this kind of like eccentric kind of goofy thing, at least

Brian Atlasin your perspective initially. >> I'm gonna do this >> because he asked for it and I like him and I want to do things for him and I want to please him." That's what it's

Brian Atlaschecking for. But I want to kind of do a bit of a reversal here and examine some of the asks that women have of men. Uh, who here wants a guy to open the car

Brian Atlasdoor? >> Show of hands. Show of hands. >> I teach my boys that. >> You want the guy to open the car door? Should a man open should a man open the car door for a woman? >> Yes, I believe so.

Brian Atlas>> Should a man open like a door to a restaurant for, you know, open the door, whatever, for a woman? Should a man observe the sidewalk rule? So, walking closer to the street in the case of I

Brian Atlasdon't know there's a car blast some water if it's raining or there's there's water in the gutter or even there's a unccoming oncoming danger and he like he's closer to the street so he can

Brian Atlasprotect her from the danger of the streets. >> I agree. >> These mean streets. >> So, hold on. Um and then of course we've had the conversation a lot of you think men should pay for first dates.

Brian AtlasUh, I don't know. There's a women put a lot of shoulds on men, >> but when men start saying women should do X, >> oh, >> y'all get very

Paulina>> I think I think my take on it is more cultural. Like, I'm not opposed to the bow as the as as what it is and the respect factor of it, but the cultural I've never grown up doing that or I've ever done that in my life.

Mars (USC)For sure, the bowing. But I understand the sentiment of it >> and I hear where you're coming from, but I feel I've tried to remain consistent and not have double standards. And yeah, I have these expectations of men. I

Mars (USC)understand that women also fall into gender roles and I'm not ignoring that. I'm not like, oh, men should do this, this, and that, but I don't have to do anything except for whatever I want as a woman. Like, no, I I see where you're coming from. I feel like you're

Mars (USC)generalizing a little bit, but that probably is the most popular sentiment of what you know, women who have you've conversated with. >> Well, I mean, I've conversated with a

Brian Atlaswhole bunch of different women, but I uh I guess >> h what what there's so many different directions I can take this convo here.

Brian AtlasWe could go to the perfecting. Well, first I I want to say to all of you like all those things, the man should open the car door, the man should open the door, observe the sidewalk rule. So,

Brian Atlasyou're placing expectation on a man. >> The level of physical effort it takes to open the car door or open a door is more than a bow. >> Yeah, there's no effort to a bow. I understand that. >> There's no effort to the bow. So, it's

Brian Atlaswhereas these other tasks, like for example, if I pull up in my car and I'm picking you up on a date, I realize not all women want this or care about this, but you want me to get out of my car,

Brian Atlaswalk all the way around. Like, women have the physical strength and capacity to open a car door. >> I don't expect even all the time them opening. Let's say as someone who does

Mars (USC)enjoy men who open their car doors, I hear where you're coming from that it's tedious, but it's really not such a higheffort thing at the end of it all to get out of your car and open the door. >> So, I agree that it's it is loweffort,

Brian Atlasbut it's more what I'm saying is it's more effort than a bow. >> Okay. >> So, what I'm saying is it's very like super easy for a woman to do this thing, but there's a bunch of whereas you're asking men to do. >> Could we do something? Could we use another example except for bowing though? Because I feel like that's kind

Brian Atlasof about to be honest. >> Okay. How about this? Um, would you agree that perhaps in a traditional relationship relationship dynamic, there'd be an expectation for the woman to do laundry? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, cool. On the first time, the first time a girl comes to my house, >> Uhhuh. >> she can do my laundry. >> The first time. >> First time. >> You don't feel that's a little fast? >> It can be >> too fast for the laundry. >> I feel like laundry, like, you know,

Brian Atlaswashing your underwear, that's kind of >> in question. Have you ever hooked up with somebody on the first date? Like first time? I'm not judging. Honestly, not on the first date, but I have hooked up with Italy. >> Can I finish? I've hooked up with Can I

Mars (USC)finish? I've hooked up with someone at a club before, but it was not a date and then I brought them home. It was, you know, we knew the intention. >> The question there is, have you ever hooked up with somebody the first time you met them?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> I mean, >> you want her to do your laundry, though. Aren't you preoccupied with other things? >> Foreplay. >> Do you think >> it's foreplay? >> That's your foreplay. Oh, I get so

Brian Atlasturned on if she she goes and does my laundry. >> Okay, I am not opposed to that. I think it's a little intimate, but >> the laundry is intimate, but not [ __ ] >> Hey, I don't know. >> That's what's crazy. Okay, this is what's crazy about the no to the bow.

Brian AtlasLike women will say, "No, I don't want to cook for a guy. No, I'm not going to make a sandwich. No, I'm not going to do laundry. No, I'm not going to hit the bow." But within hours, sometimes minutes, not saying you, just some of

Brian Atlasy'all women will be gobbling a dick. Within minutes or hours, you'll be sucking a dick, singing the D. You'll be You'll let a

Brian Atlasguy come inside of you. But I'm the bad guy. I'm the bad guy for wanting my laundry done. I'm the sexist. But you will let a man insert his penis into

Brian Atlasyou, dear. Madam, you will let a man, which hey, if you want to do it with me, that's okay. But you will allow a man to blast inside of you. Some girls want to

Brian Atlasbe blasted on their face. >> Hold on, let me play noise for that [ __ ] >> Oh, >> you want a guy to blast all over you. Blast. >> Word. Barb, you mean blast? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Word. And I'm the bad guy cuz I want her to cook and do a little bow. And >> I would feel like we're losing the plot.

Zena>> No, this is the plot. The plot is on. >> Do you think that opening a car door and a girl doing your laundry is on the same plane? Do you think that like Do you think that's Buffalo maintenance? >> What if it's not underwear? What if it's

Zenajust like >> Well, I feel like it is higher effort than opening a door, though. Yeah, I I would say I would say I'm not saying that you don't like I'm just saying that I feel like >> but it is higher

Zena>> laundry and opening the car door comparing those two things. I would say laundry >> Yeah, laundry is more more >> is higher maintenance. I don't think that compares to opening a door. >> How about this? I'll propose a really

Brian Atlassimple one. If women have an expectation that men pay on first dates, you have to actually break down the math. So the math would look something like this. A lot of you are on the younger side. So, I don't think it would be unreasonable

Brian Atlasthat some of you younger women, you know, 22, 20, 18, 21, uh, you might go on a date with a guy who maybe makes $20 an hour, maybe even less. If you want a guy to pay for the first

Brian Atlasdate, let's say it's reasonable that on a first date, the guy the total check cost is a hundred bucks. That's not like a super fancy place. That's mid-tier

Brian Atlasplace, drinks, appetizer, main course, dessert tip. A guy's paying hundred bucks on a first date. Half of that he's paying for you. We're not going to count

Brian Atlashis half that he's paying for himself. >> If a guy is gonna spend $50 for you, 100 total, but 50 for you, and he makes $20 an hour, >> you're asking him to work two and a half

Brian Atlashours to take you on the date. And let's say he works a physically demanding job. Let's say he's a laborer. Let's say he's digging ditches. Let's say he's lift

Brian Atlashe's he's moving. He's He's a mover and he moves heavy objects, whatever it is, makes $20 an hour. >> Mhm.

Mars (USC)>> You guys are asking a guy to take you on a date, two and a half hours of work. >> So, think about that. >> Are you saying that's like a ludicrous claim, though? Or like, >> do you think that that's not an equal

Mars (USC)exchange? Cuz if it's if this guy clearly is attracted to you, wants to get to know you better, you don't think that's a fair trade-off, the 2 and 1/2 hours of labor for the 2 hours of your time, for example.

Brian Atlas>> Well, that's another power dynamic that happens to exist that benefits women. I typically think when it comes to relationships of any kind, whether it's friendships, dating, or business, the person who's doing the reaching out

Brian Atlasversus the person who's like receiving the offer has way more leverage and they have the power and they can set the terms, >> right? >> So, uh, but essentially you're you're

Brian Atlassaying, well, it's the guy who they're coming to you, they're asking you out. >> So, there there's like the expectation that he's going to pay or whatever. Um, sorry. >> It's It's not even That's what I'm saying. You're just saying you're making

Mars (USC)it very clear for us to remember that in this scenario, the guy works a grueling job and he's giving up 2 and 1/2 hours of that grueling job to go on this date. But

Mars (USC)>> to me, if I say yes to a guy going on a date, I am obviously physically attracted to him. And, you know, I I try to be very present and engaging when I go out with people. Um, I like to get to

Mars (USC)know them. I don't know. You know, maybe some girls I I actually know for a fact, yeah, some girls do use guys just to get the free meal or whatever, but that's not what I would, I guess, offer to the

Mars (USC)date. I would have an engaging conversation. And you know what I mean? It's It's not like he's getting I think it's a worth it trade. It's just like my ultimate claim, >> his two and a half hours of labor for that date. I feel like that's a fair

Brian Atlasexchange. No, >> but the uh is it a fair exchange? Both of you are putting in the time. Whatever amount of time you spend on the

Brian Atlasdate, >> like there on the actual date, he also spends said time on the date. >> So then you're getting into a bit of a transactional territory there.

Kamaya>> Uhhuh. Uh >> what about the time it took to get prepared for the day when >> it takes you two and a half hours to some days? >> Yes, it does.

Brian Atlas>> Well, look, from my perspective, I know some guys are maybe have a different perspective. I'm not a big fan of makeup. So, um >> it doesn't always have to necessarily be makeup. >> Okay, fine. You got to shave your legs.

Brian AtlasYou're going to do your hair. You're going to do your hair. Does that really take two and a half hours? >> Sometimes. If I give a girl, if I go on a first date with a girl and I give her a no makeup pass, I say, "You don't have to wear makeup on this date, you can do

Brian Atlasthe other [ __ ] that you do to get ready." Is that how >> sometime sometimes finding the outfit, doing the hair, taking the shower, >> give you a outfit pass, too? Uh, wear some sweatpants and uh a hoodie.

Ellie / Jamie>> Then where are we going? >> T-shirt. What are you wearing? I'm like this is not that's not >> so so to consider like the point of

Ellie / Jamiedating like the idea of dating is what you want to have some time to get to know this person. Why? Just for the hell of it? >> No. I I would assume if you're going out

Mars (USC)with I don't really like go through my DMs and say yes to every guy who asked me on a date. It's more we had a physical interaction and I enjoyed our conversation. and I thought you were cute and I would like to get to know you better. Maybe we have similar hobbies, similar passions.

Ellie / Jamie>> But then what? >> What do you mean by that? >> Say like you have similar hobbies, similar passions. You guys are like cut out for one another. And then what? Like what happens after that? Like >> Well, I also I date I I do date intentionally. I I have my fun. I've

Mars (USC)made that clear. You know, I was in Italy, whatever. I have my fun. But when I choose to be in a relationship with someone, it's because I see a future with them. And you know, I could see us, >> yeah, I'm thinking way down the line,

Mars (USC)but yeah, I could maybe see us getting married, maybe having kids if you know, things keep going according to plan and we continue vibing with each other and we're compatible. Um, so I don't know.

Ellie / JamieYeah, we would just keep going out. I don't have a particular timeline. I think that it's different in every relationship that you're in. Do you think that the guy who really wants to be with you gives a [ __ ] about your outfit or like

Mars (USC)>> Well, I'll be honest. Like, >> and you know, lots of people have different opinions on this, but I'm a very look good, feel good, do good type of person. So, when I'm done up, like

Mars (USC)I'm wearing a cute outfit, I have my makeup on, I feel good about myself, and I feel like it sets me off on the right tone to take on my day. So, it's not it's honestly not even really about them. I do do it for me, but at the same

Mars (USC)time, I'm not going to say, "Oh, I don't care what they think." Obviously, like, I want them to think I look good and whatever. But it's it's deeper than that. >> So, just to bring it back to the bow, though, because that's where this conversation stemmed from, is the reason

Brian AtlasI was bringing up, okay, men, if you want a guy to pay for the first date, the entailment of that is he's going to have to work x amount of hours in order to be able to afford the date.

Brian Atlas>> Uhhuh. That kind of seems like a bigger Well, it's it's not that it just seems it is a bigger ask than a woman bowing. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> So, you guys place this much bigger ask, but then you scoff at this idea of doing a completely effort effortless bow. Like, imagine imagine here, let me try

Brian Atlasto do a role reversal here. Imagine if it was the case. And look, I realize some people go 50/50, but I think generally speaking, uh, even women who are like more like she claims to be

Brian Atlas50/50 or whatever, but like you can still as a woman go into a date and there will still be guys who will pay for your meal and like even if despite your own wants of 50/50.

Brian Atlas>> I have a question. >> Just one sec, but I I'll get to it. Uh, so my question is, if there was a reversal and I as the guy

Brian Atlassaid, in order for you to go on a date with me, you need to do you need to pay for the date. You need to work, you know, however much time it takes you to earn >> Bless you. >> Bless you.

Mars (USC)>> 50 bucks. >> You need to work that much before you go on a date with me. >> Yeah. Well, I think you're kind of just calling attention to the gender roles that this society has kind of enforced our whole life, which is men being the

Brian Atlasprovider and protector. So, >> but what do men get? So, that leads to kind of the bigger picture here is >> they get to go on a date with an attractive girl.

Brian Atlas>> What duties do women have to men? What do men get out of them being traditional? Like, what do we get out of that?

Mars (USC)Well, I feel that your question is more focused on long-term relationships because you are focused more on the traditional things such as caretaking and housekeeping that maybe aren't going to happen on your first date unless you

Mars (USC)invite the girl over to go do your laundry and clean your underwear. >> Um, or bowing, for example. I think you're trying to equate these two things

Mars (USC)that are different because let's say you're you're kind of hyperfocusing on how men have to put this monetary and financial value down to go on a date

Mars (USC)with a woman and all a woman has to do is bow. But obviously, one of these things is related to money. One of these things is almost related to respect and some sort of power play. Cuz I think

Mars (USC)some women might not want to bow to you. Cuz yes, again, it's just reinforcing this submissive version of themselves. Like they're they're being submissive to

Mars (USC)you when they bow to you. And that may not be every woman's cup of tea. I don't know. I feel like they're not necessarily equal. I'm sorry if that wasn't super clear. I'm still figuring my own thoughts out.

Mars (USC)>> Not equal. Like the bow is wor is not worse, but it's >> I feel like you're trying to equate

Mars (USC)money with the bowing. And the bowing I think is more nuanced than something as simple as Okay. 2 hours of labor.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. That's I mean I don't think that that's simple necessarily. >> Uhhuh. What it is I in the grand scheme of things it's simple but it's far less simple than a woman simply doing a bow.

Mars (USC)>> Right. Right. >> That that's it's super easy. It doesn't cost you anything. Anybody can do it. >> Okay. I see where you're coming from. I think that in society

Mars (USC)men paying for dates is more common than women bowing to men. >> Yes. I I agree. >> So I think for that reason, >> right? So, I think you're stuck on the cultural >> I I I am I'm trying to wrap my head.

Brian Atlas>> Oddness of it. If there was some other thing though that is more of a cultural cultural norm but does manifest itself through female submissiveness, >> what what would that be?

Brian Atlas>> I'm trying to think of an example. Do you ladies have any How about this? This may not occur on the first date, but >> making you food maybe. >> Yeah. So, it's maybe the first time she's coming over to the house ever. Whether that's the second date, third

Brian Atlasdate, >> further down, whatever it is. >> And I ask her, >> Uhhuh. >> Well, I'd hope she just took it upon herself to do this. I mean, it could be

Brian Atlasthe laundry. Women should just walk into the laundry room. I'm telling you ladies, I know you're going to [ __ ] hate this. I know the feminist mind virus has plagued you.

Brian AtlasThe first time you go to a dude's house, don't rush to his bedroom. rushed to his laundry room. >> You don't think some men would find that odd,

Brian Atlasbut >> they would find it odd in the sense that they've never had that experience and it would be kind of per perhaps could be deemed quirky, but how could it I don't

Brian Atlasthink most men are going to view it as a negative if you were like, "Oh, hey. Oh, nice place. Give me the Oh, uh, where's your laundry room? Do you have any laundry?" >> Yeah. Can I do a load for you really quick? >> Yeah, perfect. Is that a green? >> Instead of taking a load

Brian Atlas>> of laundry, instead of taking a load, do a load of laundry. >> Look, all a lot of girls are willing to take a load. >> True.

Mars (USC)>> Not as many women are willing to do a load of laundry. Not that actually playground. >> I look I think uh look you got to

Brian Atlasespecially if you're dealing with a guy who has a lot of options you got to set yourself apart because give [ __ ] a guy who's attractive like that. That's not going to make you stand out

Mars (USC)like that. You got to bring more to the table than just sex. >> And so how you labia won't do it for you. What if she has like the baddest labia you've ever seen, but she's not going to do your laundry? >> Guinness World, it has to be

Brian Atlas>> Guinness World Record breaking like the [ __ ] TMZ won't leave her alone. >> Sure. Okay. If she has a Guinness World Record Leia, uh, the bow won't be a deal breakaker in that circumstance.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Anyways, back to my point. Back to my point. I think uh if I'm telling you, I'm giving you game. You don't want to hear it because

Brian Atlas>> I'm listening. >> No, not you necessarily. You seem you seem pretty open-minded. I don't know if you you're going to agree at the end of the day and that's fine. >> Buth you've been a good sport with everything, but I'm telling you >> these small little things that take a

Brian Atlaslittle effort. I know you're going to feel kind of cringe doing it, but it will put it will make the guy like you more. And some people going to say, "Oh, you don't want to be a pick me." I'm

Brian Atlastelling you, you do these small little gestures that don't really take much work. Don't take much effort. And it is the guy is going to be like if your goal is to get the if you just want to [ __ ] the guy then whatever who cares. Is that what you really want though?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> If you want the guy if you want the guy doing these small little things will set you apart. >> And it's it look there's certain things I think to myself

Brian Atlaslike for the perfect woman or like a really amazing woman there are certain things I'm willing to compromise on. >> What? Uh [ __ ] I mean, I'm not gonna go into

Paulinathat, but uh there's certain things. Anyways, uh good talk. >> So sneaky. >> You can't leave us hanging like that day. >> I need at least one little >> I'm not going to go into it, but uh

Brian AtlasOkay. Well, here I'll give the example. This is even crazier from the guy's perspective. I would for the perfect woman, I would do a bow. And that's a big L from a dude. >> Oh, interesting. >> To do a bow to a woman.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I did not expect that. for the perfect woman. >> Yeah, >> I'll even [ __ ] it. Why not? >> But in my head, I'm like, "Okay, the perfect woman is like a trillionaire and like >> trillionaire." >> Trillionaire.

Brian Atlas>> Like physically, everything about her is my type. Personality, everything about her is my type. >> Yeah. >> I'm never going to ever encounter this in real life. So, yeah. Okay. I'll sure. I'll do a [ __ ] bow once a day. Why not?

Ellie / Jamie>> What about your future wife? >> Future wife. You want your potential prospect to be looking up your house on Zillow before meeting you. >> Wait, what? >> Yeah, like finding the layout of your

Brian Atlashome so she can get to the laundry room. >> Oh, right. Yeah, you mentioned that last you mentioned that uh last time. >> Uh, sure. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Check. Yeah,

Brian Atlas>> write that down, you guys. >> Yeah, write down if >> anyone's plotting. Uh, but you know, I think uh here maybe to do the laundry, >> clean, cook.

Heidi>> No, you don't like any of this. You don't like these ideas? >> I feel like if I'm going on a first date Oh, I feel like if I'm going on a first date or anything, like, what is the guy

Heidiexpecting of me after that date? Cuz I have a friend that goes on a lot of dates and every time he pays, he gets upset if the girl doesn't give out. >> Oh, well, I mean, I don't think that

Heidi>> So, I think in our generation, a lot of guys only want to go on a date if the girl is going to put out at the end of that date. So, then they're a lot of girls that won't go on the dates in general because they don't want to put out.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, I think >> they just want to get to know with the person. >> Yeah. think that's like a shitty dynamic for a guy to be like if I do this then you should >> like the guy I think it's

Heidi>> what is your intention going on that date and spending money on that date. >> I just want to clarify one thing on that though. I don't think it's like I'm kind

Brian Atlasof well how do I want to frame this? I think it's okay for the man to want to hook up with you, but if he expects it

Brian Atlas>> because he paid for the date and like that manifests itself in behavior and he's like trying to guilt trip you and like he gets all butt hurt that you didn't hook up with him. >> I have a lot of guys then yeah that's wrong

Brian Atlas>> that complain after I guarantee you every woman on this panel has had that happen to them. Don't think it's wrong for the man to have the desire. But if he has the expectation and he gets bent out of shape if you don't >> Yeah. That's goofy [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> That's goofy [ __ ] >> That's a boy >> and it's going to >> it's going to lose you the girl. >> Uh so yeah, >> I don't know. >> Don't do that. I mean that's the only thing I can say. >> How do you know when a guy is going to

Brian Atlasbe that type of guy? >> I suppose you feel like Yeah, you got to find out. Yeah, >> I mean there's probably some tells, some indicators, but okay, final thing on the bow, then we have to move it on to a new

Mars (USC)topic. >> Will you bow for the perfect guy? >> No. >> No. I forgot who said no. Who said yes? >> I said I'd have a conversation, but I'm likely to lean no. >> But you say you want the guy to pay for the first date, right?

Brian Atlas>> I do. And >> what if the guy says, "Listen, I'm open to paying for the first date, but I want to have a conversation with you about it first. How would you feel about that?

Mars (USC)>> I think it's because paying for the first date as a man is more accepted in the social norm whereas bowing isn't. That's where I'm hesitant to the bowing. So, I don't I think that's like some [ __ ] You should pay for the first

Brian Atlasdate. >> So, my my perspective on the bow I I personally think I think it is a sign of respect, but I think it's also kind of a playful thing. >> Okay. >> Like if she's kind of giggling while she's doing it.

Mars (USC)>> Yeah. You don't want her to be like locked the hell in and like, you know, really >> I mean, that's good, too. That's good, >> too, though. Really think about it. Really think about it. What do you want? >> I want her to do the bow. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> If she giggles while she does it, I'm not bent out of shape over it. >> Okay. >> Uh, >> I don't know how serious this was. >> Cuz it is a serious thing. No, I I don't think my approach my approach to it is

Brian Atlasit could like if she wants to take it seriously. >> Uh I don't want her to do it in the mocking way like I'm doing this uh begrudgingly. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Have fun with it.

Brian Atlas>> Maybe. Okay. >> She can if she wants to or if she wants to take it more seriously like then that's good too. >> Heard. >> Um >> perfect guy. Would you bow for the

Brian Atlasperfect guy? Perfect guy is he exact looks, all your looks requirements, all your personality requirements, loyal, will never cheat.

Mars (USC)>> Uh, billionaire. That's the perfect guy. Won't bow for the perfect guy. >> It It's like if I couldn't have him unless I bowed, then okay, I'd bow. >> Yes, that is the You must >> Oh, everyone would bow. You're lying if

Mars (USC)you said you wouldn't bow or you hate your life. It's one of the two. Um, I would bow. Would you bow for the sex worker dude who you're giving blow to? >> Are you saying that's her dream guy? >> That's her dream guy.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think so. I mean, um, you wouldn't do it. >> Wait, I have a question for you. Um, >> if a company you're you do modeling, right? Or you said you do modeling

Brian Atlas>> uh for certain brands? Yeah. >> Okay. What if a uh I don't know what's a [ __ ] Hold on, guys. I know. Sorry. I'm going to get to the TTSs in just a sec. I see a couple TTS's coming

Brian Atlasthrough. I know you guys are probably waiting for them. I apologize for the delay. Going to get them in just a sec. I don't know. Some big modeling company

Brian Atlasor some uh maybe. [ __ ] it. Uh Walmart goes full [ __ ] and they want to hire you to uh work at Walmart 9 to5 Monday through Friday, but they're going to pay

Brian Atlasyou $10 million a year to do it. All you have to do is uh just do a little bow to all the guests that walk through. That's it. You greet. You're a greeter. That gets paid 10 mil a year.

Brian AtlasNo offense to you. No offense to anybody at this table. Probably even myself. Well, yeah, even myself. You know, we'll see. Probably nobody here is going to make be making $10 million a year. No offense anybody.

Brian AtlasProbably not going to happen. >> Uh I mean, some of you might say, speak for yourself. Anyways, would you take that job?

Brian Atlas>> How long am I doing that job for? >> Oh, I mean it could be as maybe you're like, you know what, I can live off of 10 mil, so I'll do it for a year. >> Yeah, cuz it's a greeter.

HeidiIt's their way of greeting. >> Here's where I'm form of like submitting to your partner. Like if you said, >> you're submitting to your employer instead. I think that's more of just the way

Heidithey're asking me to greet their guests. And every employer has different ways of greeting guests. Like I've worked at an amusement park and had weird ass for me to like greet the guests. I've worked at in retail.

Brian Atlas>> A character in like a what are the suits called? A mascot to >> No, I'm not short enough. >> Okay. Um have what kind of jobs have you had? Like have you ever worked retail? Have you worked at a restaurant?

Heidi>> I worked at in retail for the past two years. I was a personal stylist. I worked at an amusement park in three different jobs. >> What was the amusement park job?

Heidi>> Uh, I did ride photo. I did front gate photography. I did food service. >> Food service. And in the food service job, did that ever involve cleaning? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And it did it ever involve like taking uh orders from customers, you know, like uh, >> okay, what can I get you? Hey, how's your day going? >> Yeah. >> Can I get you some more water? >> Yeah. That's not I'm not mocking your voice. This is my girl voice.

Brian Atlas>> No, I get it. >> Um and then you had a boss who would say, "Show up at this time." >> Yeah. >> You had a boss that said, "Go over there. Do this." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Sometimes were they mean to you? Have you ever had a bad boss?

Heidi[Music] >> Not mean in that way. >> Okay. But you've had a boss who gave you >> direction. Yeah. Yeah. >> Basically. Okay.

Heidi>> How much did you get paid for that job? Uh, at the amusement park. $5 an hour. It was in Pennsylvania. >> Was that Hershey Park? Whoa. >> $5 an hour? >> Yes.

Mars (USC)>> Was that like 15 years ago? A while ago? >> [ __ ] That's still their minimum wage. >> 725 is the minimum wage in Pennsylvania currently. >> How'd you got paid? How did you get paid off? >> Because I was under 16. >> Oh, so they exploited you.

Brian Atlas>> But so just back to this though. >> Been there. >> So >> it's interesting to me though. >> Tough. So, I I gave you the opportunity to do a bow once a day for your perfect

Brian Atlasman. And this perfect man could be a billionaire to the point where you're set up for life if you're with him. And I assume you'd want to stay with him for life because he's the perfect guy, right?

Brian Atlas>> My perfect guy wouldn't make me do that. >> Well, it's perfect but this, right? >> Yeah. >> So, like perfect but I don't know. >> But >> it could be anything. Like they're perfect, but I prefer brunettes, but

Brian Atlasthey have blonde hair. Like everything else about them is perfect, but X thing. So, it's interesting to me. You'll do like this. You'll work the You worked for $5 an hour.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> And you were submissive to your employer for $5 an hour. But you could be with a guy who asks one thing of you. just this

Brian Atlasone thing that's way easier than all the things you had to do at that job, but you won't do it >> because it's the meaning behind that one thing.

Brian Atlas>> It kind of devalues me. >> You think being a wage slave some for a giga corporation is not >> You don't think that that is worse? I

Heididon't I mean, when I was 15 years old and that's the only place I can get a job because I'm literally 15 years old. >> Well, yeah. >> Why would I not take a job I can have?

Brian Atlas>> That's not really in dispute here. What's in dispute is now you're 25 >> and I don't do those jobs anymore. >> Sure. But I'm presenting to you a hypothetical. >> Yeah. >> And I I mean, I'm not sure even the jobs

Brian Atlasyou currently take, there's somebody who's directing you, somebody who's telling you to do XYZ. Is that fair? >> In the current job I have, no. I'm like I work for myself.

Brian Atlas>> What do you do for work? >> Social media, content creation, and brand marketing. >> You have clients. Okay. Your clients telling them what to do. >> Okay. So, you're consulting or whatever. >> Okay. You have had experience though

Brian Atlasworking some shitty job. I don't get I get that you don't do it now. You did do those jobs. You would in the future do a job where somebody was giving you orders to do something if it paid like $10

Brian Atlasmillion a year as a crazy example working at Walmart. Literally doing the thing that you won't do for your perfect guy

Heidi>> because it's the value is different. It like getting paid to do something is different than my partner asking me to submit to him. Like if he's asking me

Brian Atlasfor a kiss on the cheek every day, like greeting him when I when he gets home from work. Okay, that's different than a bow. >> It's just it it's emblematic of the

Brian Atlasunwillingness for women to do an even harmless benign ask because of the determination that it's submissive.

Heidi>> I think it's devaluing me as a human. It's like, okay, usually if like somebody's going to bow to you, it's like they're your servant. >> This So, this brings us to our next point. >> I'm not their servant. >> Would you want a guy to be willing you

Brian Atlaswant a guy to protect you, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I think it devalues men that women want men to die for them. So, how does this work out? Even the sidewalk

Brian Atlasrule, observing the sidewalk rule, women want men to walk closer to the street. So the entailment of that is if a car comes like barreling down the road and I don't know goes whatever they're drunk

Brian Atlasor [ __ ] tire blows whatever he's more likely to take the blow from the car and die or be injured than the woman. That's kind of where this stems from that that that's the originate well not totally

Brian Atlasthe origination. It goes further back like streets were dirty so I don't know whatever [ __ ] >> I think >> horses and [ __ ] Um, >> oh, what >> I was going to say, I think the

Kamayadifference between that and the situation is that men want to do that. I've talked to a lot of men that want to die for their family. >> I love it. Men want to do Men want

Mars (USC)>> they want to be protectors. They want to be Do you not feel any instinctual almost desire to protect your woman? >> Yeah. >> Uh, yeah, I do. Absolutely. >> I think that's what you're saying

Brian Atlasbasically. But women have an expectation on men that men do fulfill that role. And there's I think if the expectation on men is you have to be willing to die

Brian Atlasfor me, you better be willing to [ __ ] bow for me. If you have an expectation that I have to [ __ ] die, that's way crazier. That's a bigger way bigger ask.

Brian AtlasWay bigger ask. But yeah, of course I want to protect I'll protect my girl. [ __ ] I remember a couple years back I I was kicking it with my girl and there

Brian Atlaswas a raccoon and she was scared of the [ __ ] raccoon and uh and I [ __ ] I'm not going to go into detail but I took care of the raccoon. >> Oh shoot. You killed it. >> No, I didn't I didn't say I killed it.

Brian AtlasTook care. >> I took care of the record. >> I made it. I made it an offer it couldn't refuse. >> Oh, >> the raccoon was being aggressive. I didn't want the raccoon to give my [ __ ] girlfriend rabies.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, probably raid. >> So raccoon put you in a self-defense situation >> and I dealt with it. >> But I put myself at risk. >> Okay. >> I could have Raccoons have Raccoons can [ __ ] somebody up.

Kamaya>> Oh, they can. They're not playing. >> Okay. I have a question for you because I think this might clear something up. >> Yeah, let's clear clear it up. >> Okay. Would you rather would you rather

Kamayadie in in combat or or protecting your family or would you rather die um I don't know I need another scenario die I don't know by falling down the

Kamayastairs yeah choking on a sandwich >> protect protecting my family >> based valor >> because it's like you yeah you want you want that like

Kamaya>> but I'd rather I'd die in honor to die >> but if it's I mean, of course, >> obviously, but if you have the choice and and obviously you would choose combat because you want that, right?

Kamaya>> What? No, I would not pick combat. What? >> You wouldn't want to die out in like a shootout and like be like, "Yeah, I'm a [ __ ] man. I protected my family." Like, that would

Brian Atlasstop hold on. >> The original comparison was, "Would you rather die protecting your family or die at war?" >> No. No. If it's between the two, I would much rather die protecting my family

Kamayathan in some war. >> No, no, no. It was either or and then that situation. Or would you like rather die falling down the stairs choking on a sandwich or something? That was the >> Well, I think >> I don't think you thought that that question. >> Maybe I didn't.

Mars (USC)>> I think even those two like there there's a big difference. Obviously, you're dying for honor in both of the scenario, but you're making a larger closer impact when you're dying for your family versus dying for a country, per se. And not all our wars are totally

Brian Atlasjustified. So you don't have to say >> why. Look, I guess y'all want a protector. And the ultimate

Brian Atlaspotential manifestation of a man being a protector is to die protecting you and you can't hit a bow. >> I can't I can't argue that. I mean, it is an ultimate sacrifice. Yeah, I'm bowing.

Brian Atlas>> Good W eyes. >> Good. So >> yeah, some of the people here said no. I still don't get the like the Walmart thing though. That's my confusion >> because I'm getting paid.

Brian Atlas>> You're getting But if you're with But if you're with the billionaire, >> like a somebody who's a billionaire, that's a lot more >> work for them. I'm their partner. >> Yeah. But if you're like if you're

Brian Atlasperfect, >> that's why I said, are you looking for an assistant or a girlfriend? Are you looking for a boyfriend or a a father? >> A bodyguard. I'm not Oh, yeah. That's a

Heidigood one. Are you looking for a husband, a boyfriend, or a bodyguard? >> I don't ex like it's like I just want a partner. I want a friendship. I want

Heidisomebody to grow with me. >> Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM machine? Are you looking for a boyfriend or a pay pig? I I don't care about money. I support myself. You definitely care

Heidiabout money. >> I mean, you said you want a guy to pay for first aids and be a provider. >> I'm financially independent. >> Okay. So, you need a guy who makes >> I want a man. I don't need a man. >> Date a guy who McDonald's or doesn't have a job? >> I have.

Heidi>> But you'd be fine with that. Is that your preference? >> Uh, I would like values. I want a man that has drive and motivation and like

Heidiwants a career for himself, but I don't expect him his career to be like rich. >> I don't need a man to be rich to be the bread winner. >> No, I don't need to be the bread winner.

Ellie / Jamie>> Do you I don't I don't know if you're realizing how like circular and how like completely [ __ ] your logic is. I think, you know, I think you're I think values have not quite fully been defined and I don't really know

Ellie / Jamie>> because the value is based on the connection I have with that person. It's I'm not going after money. It's not about that. >> You said earlier that you could be like three, four dates in with a guy and then

Zenaif Mr. Sex worker [ __ ] comes back and was like, I will commit to you, you'd be like, okay. I feel like that proves that she doesn't base off of monetary value

Zena>> because this is a guy who is a sex worker and he wanted >> I'm just I I'm just saying in the argument that you guys are making right now and saying that she believes in more monetary value. I feel like that example

Brian Atlasdoes not go with your argument. >> Huh. Okay. Um well, we have a couple chats we got to get through here. We're going to shift off of this topic. Uh okay. Wait, did I Oh, Davon, I'm sorry,

SPEAKER_00bro. This I apologize for the delay. >> Devon Jackson donated $100. >> Did I do this one? >> What do I get in return? Your [ __ ] bills paid. A man that's willing to die

SPEAKER_00for you. A man that wants to make your life as easy as possible and give you options. It takes a half sec. Why fight it?

Brian Atlas>> Thank you, Davon. What? Yes. What do men get in return? What do men get? >> Happiness. >> Happy. You get happiness. No, it's a lot of stress. A lot of stress >> for the women or for the guy to deal

Paulinawith the woman. >> Yeah. But women get stressed out too innately. But it's all stressful. But >> it's all supposed to be about love. >> But you get that too. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So, but the there's one direction in which the protecting and the providing goes. So, what's the one direction that women give to men?

Brian AtlasNot the [ __ ] band. giving them children. That's the one thing that men can't do. >> That That is the answer. But she doesn't want to have kids. So, what is the one thing? >> Don't even like kids. >> Yeah. What's the What's the one thing

Brian Atlasthe one direction? Oh my. One Direction. Not the [ __ ] band. The one thing that By the way, Davon, that I'm sorry your TTS took so long. If you send in a a 10,

Brian Atlaswe'll treat it as a a read if you if you want. You don't have to, but we'll give you a like a sort of freebie kind of if you want to send in. Uh, what do men get one directionally?

Brian Atlas>> I'm not sure. >> Protect me. Be my security guard. Be my ATM machine. Provide.

HeidiWhat do men get? What duties do women have to men? [ __ ] >> to be there for them. >> But that goes the other way. >> Yeah, it does. But a girl doesn't have

Heidito do that for all men. Like girls choose to do that, >> right? >> But a guy can stay with a girl just because she's pretty or just because she's young. A lot of guys just pay to be with women.

Brian Atlas>> That's so >> I I agree. So here's where I I guess I agree. >> Men are getting ripped off. Men are not getting a fair deal. So I agree that like a woman

Heidi>> So if a woman is doing the respect, the loving, the caring for that man, why is that not a fair trade-off when he could just pay for a girl that doesn't care about him?

Heidi>> I'm not really following. >> You're asking for an assistant. Does she actually care? >> You're asking for a security guard in an ATM machine. >> I'm not. >> Yes, you are. You want the guy to protect and provide. Yeah,

Paulina>> men are really good at admitting how they can sacrifice. I noticed they're really good at communicating that, but women have such a hard time discussing what they can sacrifice. >> What do women crazy

Ellie / Jamie>> what do women bring to the table? >> Usually what we're sacrificing is is our our I don't know for to some degree like our ability to, you know, work and make money and all that, but like you're also like raising kids. You're taking care of your

Ellie / Jamie>> That's a sacrifice. That's a you know. >> Yeah. But it's but it's a but it's a valid one. It is a good one. I would gladly like not work for like a decade if like I got to, you know, stay home and take care of my home, take care of

Ellie / Jamiemy kids, take care of my animals, take care of my man, take, you know, >> but women will submit to their employer, >> but they won't submit to their husbands. >> That's what I was saying. >> Won't keep you warm at all.

Mars (USC)>> Exactly. It means nothing. I think that in you know withholding the traditional values of a woman being a caretaker both you know of the house and of the family I think that in a sense she's

Mars (USC)sacrificing her autonomy in a way that maybe you aren't as a man because she cannot >> let's say she has a passion she wants to be a musician or whatever she wants to be a doctor

Ellie / Jamie>> she's focused on those household tasks rather than pursuing that it >> I mean you can treat it as a hobby I mean like, you know, I enjoy music. I enjoy >> Yeah. But I'm just saying she wouldn't

Brian Atlasbe able to achieve her career goals if that was her priority, >> you know. So, so I would review that as a privilege, though. The privilege to not have to work. Men don't unless

Brian Atlasthere's rare I hear where you're coming from. There's really rare situations where >> some people do love what they do, though. >> So, men have really only two scenarios they can ever fall into. They they can

Brian Atlasget into a 50-50 or they can be the primary bread winner, but it's really rare that a man can ever >> go into any sort of dating situation with the expectation that the woman is

Brian Atlasgoing to take care of everything. I realize that it occasionally happens. >> I think the >> financially, >> yeah, I think the women are typically really dissatisfied with that dynamic. Even boss babes are like, >> "The [ __ ] is this scrub?" >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> yeah, definitely. But I kind of think that's a privilege to like if you find a guy who's willing to take care of you, >> that's a privilege to not have to work. Working sucks. >> Yeah, that's a good

Mars (USC)I think it's a difference in values though because I will say that I I myself I don't consider myself money motivated. I know plenty of other women who aren't money motivated. I I know

Mars (USC)plenty of struggling artists friends who would choose that life over maybe a more soft and comfortable life, but they're not pursuing their passions, >> right? Well, then you then you get into the passion. People can have a choice. I

Brian Atlasthink people can have choices, but I think as a woman, if you're going to start holding men to traditional gender expectations, traditional gender roles, I think it, look, a lot of women can

Brian Atlasstill get it. You can be a total degenerate modern woman and still get men who are going to pay for dates, be a protector, do all these things. I'm just saying from a bird's eyee perspective, looking down at the chessboard, it seems

Brian Atlaslike a pretty raw deal for men. Women continue to reap the benefits of traditional behavior in men, but they won't be traditional women. Women have completely uh not revoked isn't the right word.

Brian AtlasWomen have forsaken their traditional roles but still demand men adhere to theirs. And I think women can still get it, but it's a really raw deal for men. I'm going to let a couple chats come

Brian Atlasthrough. Before I do, though, I want to try to get the people who haven't been able to say as much to do. You want to weigh in on this convo or nothing to add? Ellie, what about you? You want to weigh in? Nothing. You want to just keep death staring the

SPEAKER_00>> the cameras? Okay, rock and roll. We have a chat here. Devon. Oh, thank you, man. Appreciate it, man. Oops. Devon Jackson donated $100. >> Cheers, man. Thank you. >> I'm more than happy to pay the full amount to make these women think for

SPEAKER_00once in their lives. Chair one is awful. And chair 4 talked about paying for chefs and maids. Men get nothing from women like this. >> Who's chair one and chair four? >> Uh chair one, you're chair. >> I'm chair four. What did I do?

Brian Atlas>> So I guess here I'll pose the question again. I'll pose the question again. >> Men get nothing from women like this. Okay. >> Women want men to do XYZ. Women want men to be protectors and providers. That's

Brian Atlasonedirectional. That goes from men to women. What do women do? What duties do women have? What do women do uniquely to women?

Brian Atlas>> We raised the kids. We have kids. >> Well, to you since it's kind of directed at you. >> Could you repeat the question one more time? I didn't want to take up more time speaking. >> So, what duties do women have either to

Mars (USC)men or to society? Um, well, in terms of gender roles, I feel like I've discussed the duties that women have. Yeah. I said theoretically if me and my partner were in a position

Mars (USC)where we were financially free and able to get help around the house, such as a chef and maid, that would be ideal for me just cuz I have other interests and hobbies. But I do think those are things

Mars (USC)that women traditionally provide. So I think that's >> you think but I mean realistically speaking most people are not going to have the level of wealth. >> Yeah. So I I I think in that scenario

Mars (USC)then the women >> can provide that if you adhere to a traditional relationship which is the topic of this conversation. >> I'm going to let some more chats come

Brian Atlasthrough. Uh inapproachable I apologize for the delay on these. You sent >> inapproachable donated $100. The only reasonable thing to do after a woman

SPEAKER_00does your laundry on the first day. Sorry for the delay. What's your ring size? >> So he's saying essentially if a woman that's wifey material. >> You do the laundry.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. You want to get the guy maybe, you know, did the thing. >> I'll add it to the >> inapproachable. I apologize for the delay for getting that in. Um, if you want to send in a 10, we'll treat it

Brian Atlasbecause of the delay. I know it doesn't totally make up for the delay of pulling it up. You want to send in a 10, we'll treat it as a a read. Uh, TTS basically. Thank you, man. Thank you, Walmart. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00>> Walmart boss donated $200. I would bow for the 10 million, then head over to Mkos for a vacation. >> Easy. That's what that's where I get

Brian Atlasconfused is >> you'll do all these things within the framework of an employer employee dynamic. >> And by the way, your employer will fire

Brian Atlasyou when it's just they there's no loyalty. >> Like employers especially major corporations won't show you any loyalty. >> The moment you become whatever whatever

Brian Atlasthey're they're gone. They're going to fire you. You could work for a company for actually you know what I want to tell you guys something. Uh my dad was working for this company for something

Brian Atlaslike 20 30 years. He recently retired and uh I hope he's okay with me. I'm not going to share details but um and he was working he could have and he was well

Brian Atlaspaid. He was uh I'll leave I I don't want to go into details but he could have like jump ship. Oftentimes, the best way to make more money is not to ask for a raise. It's to

Brian Atlasgo to a different company. That's the way most people have like big jumps in their salary and their income. He stayed with this company for 20, 30

Brian Atlasyears, something like that. And uh they let him go. So, he was kind of planning on retiring a little bit later down the line, soon

Brian Atlasanyways. But they fired him. >> Was with them for 20, 30 years. No, there wasn't any uh I don't know. It was like the typical HR

Brian Atlas>> severance. He got paid severance, but it it was very impersonal and he was upset by it because he's like, "Hey, I've been working for this company for 20, 30 years >> and not even like a thank you for your

Brian Atlasif you're going to fire somebody who's worked for you for 20, 30 years." >> You should, you know, have a little not just like the HR lady who's been there for 6 months, calls you in who's [ __ ]

Brian Atlasmid20s, you know, is this he's in a, you know, older guy. You you have I don't know, maybe the CEO says something, whatever. So, he's a little upset by that. That's what's going to happen, though, with your corporations. You're going to you're going to work, work,

Brian Atlaswork. You're going to labor, labor, labor, and they'll just get rid of you. And they're going to I'm telling you, a corporation, the boss, whatever kind of work you're going to do, it's going to ask way more of you than the husband will.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And it's meaningless work, too. >> So, that's where I'm confused with this. I won't bow for the perfect guy, but I will clean tables and clean toilets and clean bathrooms and do all this

Brian Atlas>> for a company and make $20 an hour, $5 an hour, but you won't bow for the perfect guy. Okay. Just kind of I don't know, whatever. [ __ ]

SPEAKER_00[ __ ] Okay. All right. We've got more chats coming through. Uh, thank you, man. Uh, >> Iron Man_960 donated $100. I would like to see all of

SPEAKER_00these women do an experiment. They should start a profile as a man and try to get a woman to date them >> using Midpick and their income can't be more than the median income. >> Why would we do that? >> It wouldn't work.

SPEAKER_14>> Sounds like a lot of work. I mean, I'm already exhausted by it. >> Good idea. >> That is a good idea. Do we have uh Oh, we do have uh age. Do we have Nick? Do you have those pulled up?

Brian Atlas>> Yep. >> Age and gender swap. >> Okay, we'll get to that in a bit. >> I look like my brother. >> Thank you, Iron Man, though. Thank you. That is a good point. You know, I think big thing is if you were to put I don't

Brian Atlasknow. I think average women don't want average men. That's >> And if you guys were to hop on a dating app and like gender swap your photos,

Brian Atlas>> you'd be like, "Damn, >> [ __ ] If I was born a man, I'd be an in incel." Basically, >> you think anybody wants >> If you think average men want average $100, >> absolutely.

SPEAKER_00>> How often do you think mothers before anything is signed and before being asked to do so volunteer to get DNA tests done for their babies? >> I have no idea. >> Volunteer 0%. Zero >> 0%.

Zena>> Really? >> I Yeah, maybe there's a couple There's like a couple women who are like >> I feel like the only reason you would volunteer to get a DNA test is if you're not sure the >> father in an open or polyamorous relationship, which

Brian Atlas>> I feel like if you're volunteering >> or could just be like a really based woman figure out >> who volunteers. I guess >> it should be mandatory. >> Oh, by the way guys, TTS is down to a

SPEAKER_00hundred now. We've lowered it. If you guys want to get a TTS in $100 TTS. >> Christopher donated $100. If you want the man to die for the family, you could at least provide him

SPEAKER_00the security that the family is actually his and offer to get the DNA test done as soon as possible before he even asks. I think that's totally valid and I would hope that well in in in the sense it

Mars (USC)wouldn't even need to happen because you're so sure it's yours, but it would happen out of the respect and the comfort and knowledge of knowing that's what you >> I feel like I feel like if you have different though that's that's your

Mars (USC)child. Some men have been tricked, you know, raising a kid that's not actually theirs by women have to because the babies they can get switched at birth. I actually hospitals like way more than you would think.

SPEAKER_00>> Yeah, they're rebooted. >> Ambled. Uh, we have Baja here. Thank you, Christopher, though. Thank you. >> Donated $100 after listening to everyone talk. Ellie is the only single girl that is a wife material. >> Ellie barely talked. So, I think that

SPEAKER_00says a lot about you. >> I finally find a wife material girl, but I am out of her age range. >> Oh, >> what is that? >> Okay. Um, >> I'm scared. Right. >> How old are you? Baja. What would you

Ellie / Jamiehave like a >> send in a resume? >> Oh, Baja. She hasn't. That's not an outright rejection. What details do you want to know about Baja? >> Baja? Yeah. Age would be great. Ethnicity probably.

Ellie / Jamie>> You only date? >> That's your real name. >> Good talk. >> The silence. >> Um, I mean, that's pretty much it. Baseline and then everything else more details. >> Age and race. That

Ellie / Jamie>> age, race. I mean, he says I'm good wife material. I mean, I'll take what I can get. That sounds like a great deal. >> He wants you to baby bird himar.

Ellie / Jamie>> Yes. Obedience first. >> You want to know his job? You want to know anything else? Job? >> I mean, yeah. I'd hope that um he's not a sex worker. I'd maybe ask for his >> shots fired. >> Test results.

Ellie / Jamie>> Test results. >> Yeah. Just like, you know, sexually transmitted diseases, how many >> sexual partners he's had in his entire life. Body count. >> Yeah. How good at math are you?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, exactly. >> We'll do this. Baja, age, race, job, >> body count, and how many? If you have um >> Oh, and if you're vaccinated,

Brian Atlas>> if you have VD, >> you want them to be vaxed or not vaxed. >> Well, don't say that cuz then he's going to say whatever you want. >> Yeah, >> I need to tell I need him to tell me if he's vaccinated or not.

SPEAKER_00>> The the Fouchy Ouchi. Okay. All right. She needs to know. All right. We have >> Young Serpent. >> Yong_Surerpent donated $100.

SPEAKER_00It is depressing to watch the current dating scene. Feels like a lot women today want an ATM bodyguard and model allin-one but don't want to be partners. What happened to the 80s/90s type of

Mars (USC)love? >> Is there anything specific you're asking though? What What do you want out of the partnership? What What does 80s9s type of love mean? What does that mean as a woman? >> I think Johnny Polygon said it really

Ellie / Jamiewell. The worst thing to happen to your love life was the internet. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I guess >> I have a good one on this. Young

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