Tradthot E-GIRL DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #255

Date: 2025-08-11

Duration: 8h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJamie (Teacher)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Zena(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ellie / Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kamaya(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Paulina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mars (USC)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elizabeth(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentHeidi reveals situationship partner is a male sex worker

Key MomentRinggate e-girl drama: Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan controversy

Key MomentHeidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

OtherPaulina leaves the show at ~472 min

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Heidi (situationship with male sex worker) and Jamie (DV survivor).

Heidi Male Sex Worker Reveal

Heidi's situationship partner is a male sex worker.

Ringgate E-Girl Drama

Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan Twitter drama react.

Farting in Relationships

Brian's strong anti-farting stance in relationships.

Equal Partnership vs Providing

Heidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

Paper Abortion Debate

Legal paternal surrender / male reproductive rights debate.

Body Count Round

Heidi 1, Elizabeth 2, Kamaya 5, Mars under 25, Ellie 0, Zena 10-25, Jamie 8.

Transcript

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Ellie / Jamievote. What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? The hottest woman at the table is the one with grays with >> That's you. I period. >> Thank you. Real >> Wait, I was confused though cuz did they

Ellie / Jamienot just say women should vote? >> Women should vote. I think that's what it said. >> But yeah. Okay. >> Women should vote. What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Women should vote. >> I think he called you hot at the same time. So,

Brian Atlas>> well, I think that's I think what he I'm I'm not Thank you. >> I I wanted to go back to this. Uh for those of you who are single, you said you had a roster. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Uh, currently you have a roster. >> Yes.

Zena>> Tell us about the roster. >> Roster. That's nice is what it is. >> Um, no, I do currently have a roster right now. Um, I think I'm >> Am I allowed to give a number? >> Please do. >> Uh, yeah.

Zena>> No, >> I have um five guys and two girls. >> No. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. Um, >> you make time for the things you want. >> Okay. So, uh, you said five guys, two

Mars (USC)girls. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then, uh, you're single, too, right? >> I am single. I do not have a roster. >> No roster. There's no guys in the picture. >> I mean, there are people who I'm interested in getting to know better,

Mars (USC)but I'm kind of in a place in my life, in my career where I want to focus on my projects and, you know, myself. I'm not necessarily interested in having a long-term committed partner right now. >> So, there's no guy in the picture.

Mars (USC)>> No, >> no guy. No one I would, you know, uh, everything's just so fresh. You know what I mean? And >> when you say fresh, >> I mean that I met this guy like three

Mars (USC)weeks ago and we haven't done anything and maybe I'm interest I he's made it clear he's interested in me. I might be interested in him, but I just I don't need to rush into anything right now. >> When's the last time uh you hooked up

Mars (USC)with somebody? >> Um, probably like three weeks ago. It was when I was in Italy. >> Yeah, that Italy. It Italy was it like >> was it with a local? >> It was just it was an Italian man. >> Hot Italian dude.

Mars (USC)>> Yes. >> Uh how long were you in Italy for? >> I was in Italy for 10 days. I went to Venice, Florence, and Rome. >> And just Italy. You didn't go to like any other uh >> for this recent trip. It was just Italy. I was just in Greece before that, but

Brian Atlasthey were like two separate trips. >> Gotcha. And uh did you were there any other guys in Italy or was it just >> Not in Italy. in Greece.

Mars (USC)>> Oh, so you went to Greece this trip? >> I No, like a month ago, maybe even two, I was in Greece and then a few weeks ago I was in Italy. >> Two separate trips. >> You And so there was a guy in Greece.

Paulina>> Yes. >> Was there more than one guy in Greece? >> Yeah. >> Things got greasy. >> What happens in Rome, right? What did they say? >> You just had to do what do >> she's got dad jokes. women men do what

Mars (USC)the >> Roman do what the Romans did. >> So, and you were only in Greece for that trip. >> I was I was in Greece for like 2 weeks. I was in Santorini, Paros, Mkos, Athens.

Mars (USC)>> How many uh guys were you hanging out with uh when you were in Greece? >> Well, that's an interesting question with certain implications, but I'll just say I had a fun night

Mars (USC)>> with Oh, it was a singular night that you saw night. I had one fun night and I I have nothing more to say. >> It was one particular night and there were multiple men in the particular

Mars (USC)>> I am a bisexual human being who likes being bisexual. That's all that I'll say. No judgement romance. >> So you had a >> a fun

Paulina>> sure don't footprint. I don't agree. >> It is what it is. But uh Okay. So you uh

Mars (USC)how many people were in the orgy? >> It was a forsome. I had a foresome. >> How many how many guys? >> Two guys. Two girls total including myself. >> Two guys. Two girls. And it was each and

Mars (USC)every way cuz bisexual. >> The guys did not interact with each other. >> But the girl Okay, I see. >> Cuz that would be gay, right? >> That would be gay and I'm gay. So >> Okay. So >> it all works.

Mars (USC)>> And but I mean there was just one particular night or were you having some fun on other nights too? >> That was just that No, it cuz I I I did a group hostel with a bunch of friends. Um so I was mostly in my you know just

Brian Atlasenjoying time with my friends, but you know, >> okay, >> I'm young and I'm in Greece. >> But in in Italy, your most recent trip to Italy were there. >> It was just one guy at a club. You know how it goes.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know about >> Okay. No. Well, not like >> you know Italian men, >> not with Italian men. >> Italian men are great >> or men period. Um >> they're really amazing. >> But uh Okay. And then have you traveled else? Like have you done other travels

Mars (USC)too? >> I I have. I have. I've traveled quite a bit. Um I've been to Tokyo. I did a study abroad there for a little bit. That was a ton of fun. I've been to Spain. I've been to Aruba. I've been to,

Mars (USC)you know, Mexico, Peru, a few other places. Um yeah, I I enjoy traveling. >> Okay. any other European countries like uh Spain, Netherlands?

Mars (USC)>> No, definitely so much on the bucket list. I'm going to France soon. I want to go to Switzerland so bad and snowboard there. It's on my bucket list. But >> Gotcha. Okay. So, you're in Japan for a

Mars (USC)bit. Did you have a Japanese connection? >> It's a Well, you know, it's a very different culture than in America. Um, so no, I didn't. >> Okay. How long were you in Japan for?

Brian Atlas>> I was in Japan just for 2 weeks. It wasn't super long. Did you while you were in Japan, not with a Japanese guy, but with like another tourist? >> No, I didn't. Um, again, I did a study

Mars (USC)abroad with my college USC there. So, it was mostly profession basically just all day we were touring different companies, studying different classes, and then all night we would go out, >> but I was with my friends.

Mars (USC)>> What about Spain? >> Spain? Yeah. I mean, I hooked up with a French guy when I was in Spain. Um, I like my Europeans. What can I say?

Mars (USC)I'm young. I'm young and free. She's not a player. She just cr I said do you find them online? Where do you find these guys? Do you just like them? Just outside just

Mars (USC)so before we get into that having fun. >> Um Okay. And but never had a roster? Have you ever had a roster? >> Of course I have. You know, like I think in this generation it's pretty common to have a roster. Back in high school, you

Mars (USC)know, I had my fun, I had my hoof, as they say. Um this >> what and what was your hoof is you said in high school. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um you know people can have different definitions of what I they

Mars (USC)consider a hoe or [ __ ] or whatever. I don't I I'm not easy. I simply like to have fun and I think we're all sexual beings and there's nothing wrong with having sex if you're doing it in a safe way and you're not hurt anyone. That's my two cents though. You can feel

Mars (USC)however you feel about it. That has nothing to do with me. >> And so wait hold on. How big was your roster when you did have her roster? >> Honestly, I wasn't as methodical about

Mars (USC)it as, you know, Zena was for is, for example, it's kind of just if I meet someone and I connect with them and we both find each other attractive, you know, sometimes things just happen. Probably just a handful of people. It

Mars (USC)was never like, >> oh, I'm going to see this person on that day and this person on it was, you know what I mean? It was just more natural, I guess. But there were periods where you'd be dating multiple like people at >> I would be talking with multiple people. >> When I say date, I use that term pretty

Mars (USC)loosely. >> Totally. Totally. Yeah. Dating. Yeah. I I understand. >> Multiple boyfriends. But like >> I get it. I get it. I get it. >> It's like hanging out with different people. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was, you know, there's periods of that for sure. >> Okay. Um but right now you don't have a roster.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. Gotcha. Uh what about you? Oh, well you're fresh out of Have you had a rebound? >> No. >> Good question. >> No. No, >> nothing. >> No, >> you know, the the dance girls are in

Brian Atlashigh demand, so I mean >> uh I mean, not for going to their performances, but for >> terrible. >> Um no, no rebound. No,

Elizabeth>> no guys in the in the pipeline. >> No, I've had I had this uh one guy that I hooked up with. He messaged me actually last night. I think it was last night or two nights ago. and her and I were literally talking about him and all

Elizabethof a sudden he just popped up on my messages and he wanted to you know hook up and I was just like no like I kept saying no messaged me again I was like I didn't even answer cuz it's like I'm not really interested in even doing that but

Elizabethlike you know when I was with my ex-boyfriend like 2 3 years ago like I had a roster before him and I was just like well I guess you know I'll take you. >> Got it. Have you uh have you ever had a roster? Yeah. I mean, I was in college

Elizabethlike there but like I feel like when I do it's not like like you said like hanging out with them like oh like you know or you know doing things with them. It was just more so like I'm texting you but like am I going to hang out with

Elizabethyou? Probably not. Maybe. It really depends. Um but like even before like the guy I was talking to um now like I was on Hinge and that's actually how we

Elizabethmet. And so like obviously we're both talking to different people but you know just something just clicked like you know. So it just depends. >> When you did have a roster how big was the roster?

Elizabeth>> I mean I don't know cuz I didn't really pay attention cuz I just either would go somewhere they ghost me. It just wouldn't really go anywhere. So I can't really give you a number

Elizabeth>> cuz I Yeah. Like no yeah it was just like a couple people and you know I would always end up then being like loyal to that one person. And I'm like, "No, I kind of vibe with you more." And

HeidiI cut everybody out. >> Got it. Okay. Uh, ever had a roster? >> No. >> Ever had a roster? >> Yes. >> How big was the roster? >> Well, I have like I could probably text any guy in my phone that I wanted to hook up and they would.

Heidi>> Okay. >> Like I have >> Yeah, same. But it's like I have like a list of guys that I'm interested in, but am I going to hang out with them? Am I

Heidigoing to give them the time of day? like not necessarily. It just depends. Like I have the one that I like the most and like that's the one I'll like gravitate towards, but if he's like not available,

Heidilike I have people I can easily hit up to hang out at any given moment in time. Um I have massive DMs of just like random guys trying to take me out. Like I have the Snapchat roster. Like I

Heidi>> I mean >> I I wouldn't say that I'm hooking up with all these people cuz I'm not cuz Yeah. only one. >> We know that you don't do that. >> But I have not this again

Brian Atlas>> access to a lot of guys that want me. >> So, how I mean, if you had to try to ballpark a number, what would you say for the roster? How big is it?

Heidi>> I get calls from guys like different guys every day. Uh about like 20 times a day of different men. >> 20 times a day. >> Yeah. She sees me on >> like calling you. >> Yes. Okay.

Heidi>> So, you and you pick up. >> Yes. >> What do you talk about? Like >> just Yeah. >> Like I have >> like they're trying to hit. >> I don't know if they are or not. I mean, you

Brian Atlas>> you talk to 20 dudes in a day. >> She sees. >> No, I I don't doubt it. I'm just That's a lot. Wait, I have to play a sound for this. Hold on. Uh >> get the soundboard. >> Wait, wait, wait. [ __ ] Where's >> plur's

Mars (USC)on? Pressure's on. >> Oh, no, man. That sounds like a lot of work. >> Yeah. >> She leaves the room to go on the phone. >> My question for you as a man, not to cut you off finish real quick.

Heidi>> I usually like get these calls and everything and I usually get yelled at because of how many guys talk to me and how many guys I'm around all the time. >> Who yells at you? >> Like guys that are interested in me. Like the situationship especially. We

Heidiwould always get mad being like, "Oh, you're always hanging out with all these guys. Like he needs to [ __ ] That's not okay." like and I'm like you're not my boyfriend so I'm going to hang out with whoever. >> Well, question for you and I I know you

Brian Atlaswant to come in but >> have you ever tried to maneuver any of these into a committed relationship? >> I'm sure they would. I'm sure they they

Heidiwould want to commit to me like in a second. Like I just don't want them like that. Like I don't think they're my ideal partner. Like I don't entertain them >> because they're still my like I

Heidipersonally think they're my friends. Like I have a friendship with them. Like we hang out all the time. >> That's my question. >> I don't know if they're trying to sleep with me, but I'm saying if I were to ask them to sleep with me, I don't think they'd say no. That's the answer. >> Probably they're not your friends.

Heidi>> Yeah. >> I'd say there's like 95% chance if a guy is straight and trying to talk to you. I mean, I lived with six straight men. They weren't trying to sleep with me, but if I asked them to sleep with me, they probably would. >> Well, that's kind of Yeah, that's what I was getting. >> The invitation. Why would they deny the

Brian Atlasinvitation? >> Do you think it's possible, you as a man, to have purely platonic friendships with women >> that are attractive women, attractive women? >> So, logically, it's possible like yes,

Brian Atlasit it's possible, >> but in your opinion, >> yeah, in practice that the lines get blurred quite a bit. I think there's a couple components here. I think that

Brian Atlasone of the big things is when you enter into a new relationship, some people might be kind of kind of whatever when it comes to you

Brian Atlashaving friends of the opposite sex. But here's the issue. you. It is re it is realistic to assume that down the down

Brian Atlasthe road down the line that you could get into relationship with somebody who has a boundary or standard that you don't have friends of the opposite sex. And typically people are unless it's a really really good friend people are

Brian Atlasgoing to prioritize their romantic relationships often times over their friendships. depends how long you've been friends, >> right? >> So, if at any given moment, this friendship that you've invested in and

Brian Atlasdeveloped over time can just be instantly nuked because they have a boyfriend or girlfriend who has this boundary of I don't want you hanging out with people of the opposite sex. >> I don't feel like that's a great

Brian Atlasfoundation for a relationship. >> Not all people have that standard. Like, some people are like, "Yeah, that's cool. If you want to have a, you know, a guy or a girlfriend, some people are

Brian Atlasfine with it, but I think it makes for really unstable relationships if at like the drop of the hat, they get into a new relationship and this person doesn't want them to be hanging out with, right?

Brian Atlas>> The other component is that more so from the guy's perspective and the girl has fe uh male friends, excuse me, the girl has male friends. >> Women friend-zone men. >> Totally.

Brian Atlas>> Men typically don't do the reverse. I can typically men are not like friending a bunch of girls. So, if you have a friend group, but initially the guy had a romantic or sexual interest in you, I

Brian Atlasdon't really like he's just waiting. He's biting his time. He wants to [ __ ] you still. Uh, again, it's logically possible that the guy could have had an initial romantic interest, you friend-zoned him, and then it's a

Brian Atlasgenuine friendship. But even then, I don't want to be dating a girl who's hanging out with a guy who either, well, certainly if he did [ __ ] her or did have a relationship with her, but he wanted to he wanted her.

Brian Atlas>> I feel like that's not a good dynamic. Most dudes are waiting in the they're waiting in the wings, waiting for the girl to get single, waiting for their opportunity. And if given the opportunity, like all of you could

Brian Atlasprobably pull out your phone right now, text your male friend, and allude to wanting to hook up with him tonight, and he's going to jump at the chance to hook up. >> Is that a friend? I don't know. I I don't know. >> Yeah, I acknowledge that as a as a

Mars (USC)woman, to be honest. Um, >> and you know, always stay humble, but I I I think you're all I think you're all beautiful women. And, you know, creating authentic, genuine male friendships,

Mars (USC)it's difficult. And I acknowledge that, you know, I I think honestly majority of my guy friendss did hit on me and probably did want to hook up with me at one point. And I would like to think, you know, we have a genuine authentic

Mars (USC)friendship at this point, but there's not really much you can do honestly as a woman who values your relationship and friendship with this guy. If they feel that way and you don't, um, yeah, I think a lot of guys do settle in being

Mars (USC)friends with women that they can't necessarily have something more with. Would you agree with that? Oh, yeah. Well, well, the girl friend-zones the guy, >> but I mean, his

Brian Atlas>> romantic or sexual attraction to you hasn't >> evaporated because of >> course not. >> Now you're friends. Like, he's probably like, "Well, if she gets to know me more." >> Or maybe it's just that one night, that

Brian Atlasone lucky night. If I hang around hanging out, you guys are drinking a little bit. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. And then how many stories Yeah. Yeah. How many stories are like, "Oh, we started out as friends and now we're more."

Heidi>> Friends with benefits, right? Doesn't it kind of That's what happens. >> Situationship situationship. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. >> I think there's a difference between friends with benefits in a situationship. >> Yeah, I agree. >> I think situationship is something a

Mars (USC)little more. Friends with benefits is honestly just friends with a sexual component added. >> Actually, none of it's defined. >> Well, we are defined. >> Both of them are not really defined. Well, I think friends with benefits,

Brian Atlasfriends with benefits to me >> seems that there's a bit more, >> I guess, definition to what the dynamic is. Like it's kind of clear >> that there's not necessarily

Brian Atlas>> like there's been some defining that this is a casual thing. Whereas a situationship, it's like on the it's on the tracks. It's on the rails to

Brian Atlaspotentially becoming a relationship, but it's not defined yet as a relationship. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Brian AtlasCopyright that. Um, >> let's see. Uh, oh, ever had a roster? >> No. >> Roster? >> Yeah. >> How big was the roster? >> Um,

Brian Atlasshe said it was such a soft voice. Three, I think. Yeah. Four. >> Okay. All right. That's cool. Uh, let's see if I have any questions related to the roster. Oh. Um, who here? Well, we have one girl at the table. Uh, anyone here ever had a threesome?

Mars (USC)>> Yes. >> Show Show of hands. Raise them high. >> I'm embarrassed. >> Wait, was that Are you counting the forome? >> Are we the only This was a separate raising our hands. >> Yes. >> Separate. Okay. >> I mean, I believe we're the only bisexual women at this table.

Mars (USC)>> I guess so. >> Would you like to be bisexual, too? >> That's true. But I think that we have more incentive to cuz we get different things from >> How many How many threesomes have you had? >> Um, should I include the foursome? >> How many forsomes have you had? Just

Mars (USC)one. >> Two. >> Two. And then how many threesomes? >> One. >> What about you? >> I've had one. >> One. Was it together? >> No. No. No. No. No. >> I I don't hook up with my friends.

Mars (USC)>> No. We're homies. >> Gay girls do that. Um, not me, though. >> I've done that. >> Yeah. This is This is my sis for real. >> Yeah, this is my This is my homie. >> You said you said you had a hoe. Anybody else here had a hoof phase?

Mars (USC)>> Wait, hoaze? >> Ho. I use my definition like so loosely though, cuz like when I see other girls, I'm like, god damn. Like that's a hoaze. You know what I mean? Like I don't have a crazy high body count or whatever, but

Mars (USC)by my definitions and my normal lifestyle, it was, you know, higher than my usual activity when it comes to sex. >> What What does that So, how did those What was the whole phase? What did it

Mars (USC)look like? >> So, basically, I lost my virginity to my boyfriend back in high school. And after we broke up, I did not have sex until like my senior year of high school. But

Mars (USC)once I hooked up with the first person again my senior year of high school, it's kind of like the floodgates were open and I was like, "Okay, let me have my fun. I'm about to go to college and never see these people again." Like, you

Mars (USC)know, I had some fun with some people at that point. And then I went to college and things settled which I know is shocking cuz I went to USC and it's you know some people call it the University of sexy classmates. There are very

Mars (USC)attractive people who go to USC. I'm blessed to go to that school but yeah you know I was just in a relationship. I broke up like we broke up and I was celibate for a long time and then you

Mars (USC)know I just became sexually active again at that point and there was just from nothing to a good amount to you know settling if that makes sense.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh curious for uh has anybody here ever hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period? >> I mean I did admit that I had a whome

Mars (USC)does that count? >> Yeah. Right. It happens in a day. >> The threesomes was it was a girl. >> The threesome was a girl and a guy, but the foresome, as I mentioned, two guys and one girl. So >> I I would say not counting the

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Cuz it's a separate occasion. >> Yeah. It'd be like one guy and then like later in the night or the next day, another guy. Have you had that? You had that? >> I've had that happen to me once.

Zena>> One time. So you What was the story? Um, the story was I had slept with this guy like the day before to get back at one of my housemates. >> I'm dead. >> Do you remember that?

Zena>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, and then the next day, the guy that was already on my roster had asked me to hang out and I couldn't say no because he already asked me to hang out. So, it was just like

Zena>> And they were roommates, right? >> They were housemates, not roommates. >> They were housemates. And I didn't know they were housemates. >> Was it the same >> until after? >> Did you hook up at the same house though?

Zena>> She did. >> I found out that day because I walked out of the other guy's room and then the guy that I slept with the day before was looking dead at me in my eyes. That was a moment. >> And so what was the time period? It was

Zenalike just the next day. >> It was Yeah, it was the next day. It was like the next day >> like 24 hours. >> So hold on. Did you you spent the night with one guy or >> I didn't spend the night with him. I just hooked up with him the day before. >> Okay. And then you went back to the

Brian Atlashouse and then hooked up with the other guy who lived in the house. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Got it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] happens. >> All right. There you have it, folks.

Brian AtlasCool. Um uh switching gears here. Question for the whole panel. Is it a dealbreaker if a guy uses the word [ __ ] or [ __ ] >> No.

Brian Atlas>> I encourage political incorrectness. >> Wait. Yeah. Give us your response. Oh, did this happen to you? You dumped a dude because said the reason or

Mars (USC)>> I think that is it is important to be educated on, you know, the history of certain words including slurs. But I

Mars (USC)will say that I like South Park and my humor is a little runchy, inappropriate, dare I say cancel worthy. But yeah, I respect everybody. I'm going to pee now.

Mars (USC)>> So, not a deal breaker. >> Okay. Deal breaker. If the guy drops [ __ ] >> a racial slur, that's a dealbreaker, too. >> I agree. >> The nword, that's a deal breaker. But we're done. >> Yeah. We're done.

Heidi>> Uh, deal breaker. >> No. I have a twin brother. I lived with six men. Like, I've heard it all. >> She's heard it all. What about you? >> No. >> What about you? Not deal breaker. >> Not a deal breaker. >> Dealer. >> Nope.

SPEAKER_08>> What about you? >> It's only a deal breaker if he won't say [ __ ] >> Oh, >> based. What if he calls you a [ __ ] Is that like in a joking way? >> He's a bigger joking way. What's the joke? >> It's not a dealbreaker.

Brian Atlas>> Like >> I don't know. You You like spill something and he's like, "Good job, retard." >> Oh, that's funny. >> I love it. >> He's not like actually trying to insult you, you know? >> Yeah. >> Got to come back with

Brian Atlas>> Although some people would be offended by that. I remember this was early in the the woke >> the woke days. This was like 2012. 2012. So, caught me off guard. This is this is

Brian Atlasbefore all the woke [ __ ] I was on this date with this girl and we were hanging out. It was going really well. Really well. Trust me. Super >> so well. >> So, well.

Brian Atlas>> And it was our first date. We're kicking it. And I I think I uh I'm trying to remember exactly what happened. I think I either spilled something or like I dropped something. Like I was carrying

Brian Atlassomething. I don't know. I was carrying a water bottle. Accidentally dropped it. fumbled it and I was like, "Ah [ __ ] I'm such a retard." Like in passing and then she was like, "Oh my god, >> her hair stood up."

Brian Atlas>> Well, I never >> That is really offensive. >> Uhoh. >> You It is really wrong to say. I'm not exaggerating.

Brian Atlas>> She literally She nuked the date. >> And so, but this is 2012, right? >> So, I was actually I'm not going to say how I doubled down on it, but trust me, I doubled down. Okay. >> And uh but the date was ruined.

Brian Atlas>> Of course, >> not cuz the she she was like it was she she was literally shaking. >> She was literally shaking right now. >> Literally shaking. Like how could this guy say I didn't call her [ __ ] I

Brian Atlaswasn't saying like I hate people who are actually [ __ ] I was just saying I called myself a [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] cuz I dropped a water bottle.

Brian Atlas>> And she I'm not exaggerating. this happened. Um, I should see if she'd be down to come on the show. >> She did you a favor. >> Yes, >> actually. You dodged a bullet, >> I guess. >> Yeah,

Brian Atlas>> it would have been I guess. Yeah, >> she would have nagged you all the time. >> It would have been the most [ __ ] relationship ever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Count your bless. >> Anyways, um, so that was one time I had

Brian Atlasthat. Uh, let's see if I Oh, okay. Here we go. The the I have somebody special who's asking me to ask a couple questions. We're going to blast through these really quick. Uh, has anybody here ever gone revenge on the next?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Revenge? No. >> Show of hands. Yes. You. Revenge. >> Revenge. Like, uh, it could be putting baloney on their car on your heart day. >> Hooking up with his best friend. >> Yes. Exactly. Like something like that, brother.

Mars (USC)>> Do you have a Zen? Is that a Zen? >> No, you can. It's fine. It's fine. >> I do. I'm sorry. I'm addicted to nicotine, everyone. >> Do you smoke cigarettes, too? >> I do. I do. Um, but I actually recently had a surgery, so I can't smoke for like

Mars (USC)a week. Oh, what's your surgery? >> So, back when I was No, no. Back when I was 16, um I was a victim in a car crash and my nose broke and it never healed properly. I just had my third surgery

Mars (USC)for it. I swear it's not cosmetic. Think what you want, but I just genuinely can't breathe right. So, >> my third surgery I had like two days ago, so I'm on the perks right now and I'm zed up and I'm feeling great. >> Nice.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Congrats. Um, thank you. >> Uh, so revenge. Tell us the revenge you got on the guy. >> Okay, so I have two. >> Uh, the first one, this guy was just

Heidilike being really weird and he wanted commitment and then all of a sudden he didn't want commitment, didn't know what he wanted. So I was like, "Oh, so you're trying to find somebody better. Like, got it. Like I'll show you. You fumbled

Heidithe bag." So I met up with my friend at a party and I was like, "Hey, I need you to like do something for me." and he like took a picture with me so I could post it on my close friends only have

Heidithat man on there just so he could see it and then he came crawling back and I just like ghosted him after because I was just like yeah you fumbled like >> post sorry

Heidi>> like a picture of me making out with another guy like 2 days after he said oh we can just be friends and then he came crawling back being like oh I know what I want now and I was like yeah bye like on to the next and like the other

Heidirevenge was when I was recently in no contact. Uh I was talking to his roommate, also his best friend, and had his best friend like come over a few

Heiditimes. Um I won't go into that, but like yeah, like I feel like that was revenge because that was like a nogo for him like

Heiditerritorywise. Like his friend would not do that to him and his friend did. So it was like yikes. Can I ask what he did? >> Did I miss that?

Heidi>> To like incentivize this revenge. >> So, he was like no contact and I didn't know why he went no contact. >> So, it was more of like, okay, well, if

Heidiyou went no contact, I'm going to hang out with your roommate even though I know you hate that I even talked to your roommate. And I knew his roommate was interested in me, but it was kind of off

Heidilike I was off limits to his roommate on a friend boundary between him and his roommate. >> Got it. >> And his roommate was still willing. So, it's just revenge from both ends, I

Heidiguess, cuz his roommate was trying to get revenge on him. >> All right. Uh, what about you? Your revenge story. >> Oh. Um, I don't know if this is a crime. I hope this isn't a crime. >> Probably not. A great way to say >> nobody watches this, don't worry.

Zena>> Yeah. Um, well, this guy had like broken up with me and like went no contact and like it was like it like meant weirdly a lot to me

Zena>> and like I was mentally unstable at the time. So, I clearly wasn't thinking clearly, but me and my best friend, shout out to my best friend actually.

ZenaShe was a G for this, but we decided to um put baloney on his car and burn his things in a trash can in front of his door. Oh, >> that was my revenge.

Zena>> Like like things that like he like gave me like over time like clothes, like trinkets, stuff like that. I put it in like a little tiny trash can >> and burned his gift. >> Yeah, >> that's it. >> Yeah, >> that's it. >> What have you done? That's all I did. >> That's not like a crime.

Zena>> I don't know if putting the I don't know if putting the baloney on the car was a crime crime. >> Yeah. I was like I don't know if that's a crime. >> Okay. >> I was like, is that a crime? >> But burning your [ __ ]

Zena>> Is that like vandalism? Yeah, that's I guess the baloney. >> Did Did he know it was you? >> Huh? >> Well, he didn't. No, but he like knew.

Zena>> He like He like campus security came and asked me and I said it wasn't me. >> Like they just asked it.

Brian Atlas>> Well, they just asked me. They said >> So, how long were you seeing the guy? >> Like like on and off for a year. >> Oh, >> wait. Is this the guy you were talking about? >> No, no, no, no, no. Not him. No, not

Zenahim. >> Remember roster roster guys to keep up with? I >> This was This was before that within that like that like time when I was

Zenasingle cuz I've been single since 2022. I like was on and off with a guy that I was seeing at my school for for about like a year and he like ended things with me abruptly and like blocked me and

Zenastuff. >> How did he end things with you? He like he blocked me and like told my roommate he was like I can't do it anymore. >> Well, did he send like a breakup text? Did he talk to you? >> Nope. >> Do you think there's anything that triggered that? I forget if we've

Zenatalked. We probably have. >> Yeah, we have. Um I think what triggered it is like we had like a conversation about me leaving to go for a semester cuz I was deciding to move to New York >> and he just like wasn't talking to me

Zenaabout it. Like I would ask him I'd be like, "Hey, how do you feel about this?" He'd be like, "You do what you got to do." And I was like, "Okay, but how do you feel?" >> And like, and like we were having another conversation about New York. And

ZenaI was like, "I feel like you've just been really mean to me since I decided this. I don't understand." And like, and like I feel like you don't want to be friends with me anymore. And he was like, "So, you don't want to be friends?" >> And I was like, "See, I never even said

Mars (USC)that." Bro, >> I hate when I'm going to say guys, I'm sure women do this too, but I hate when guys do that. It's like they'll put words in my mouth. It's like, "Oh, so you never even cared about me." Like, did I even say that? >> Why did I ever say that?

Zena>> Anyway, >> I digress. >> I digress. >> No talking. >> So, the cops came to >> No, campus security, not the cops. >> There's a difference.

Brian Atlas>> Cops when I get an infraction when I go to jail. >> Talk about it. >> That literally. So, I mean, he blocked you that and then you [ __ ] his car up.

Zena>> It's a salon. >> I feel like it's it's the lack of I try. Okay. Okay. >> Damages the paint. >> Okay. So, so a little bit more a little bit more back a little bit more

Zenabacktory. We tried Vandal. >> I attempted to converse with him before this >> multiple times. I would knock on his door. >> So, >> I like I texted him. Hey, she said she was being petty and she was mentally

Mars (USC)unstable. >> Yeah. And I made it clear. We were talking about revenge. >> Yeah. This is She did her big one. >> I was just mad. Haven't done anything like that since. That was years ago.

Brian AtlasTeam. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. >> Do any of the girls here? Show of hands. Did she Do you guys think she did something wrong? Just curious. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I'm not saying I didn't do anything wrong. >> Show of hands, though. If you don't

Mars (USC)raise your hand, I'm going to assume the opposite. >> I didn't say I didn't do anything wrong. I never said that. on your com. >> You can I think you can laugh about it. >> I think you can laugh about it. It's been years. >> What What else are you going to do? Sometimes all you can do is laugh. >> Can you laugh?

Mars (USC)>> Okay. >> Oh, what were you want to say, sir? >> Well, let's uh let's play this game. What can we laugh about? >> Well, okay. I'll I'll share. I like to joke about my trauma, quote unquote. I don't know. I think it's funny. I have

Mars (USC)crude, dark, twisted humor, perhaps, but I don't know. I would never joke about anyone else's trauma or circumstances, but I don't know. I think you need to find light in darkness sometimes. >> You know.

Mars (USC)>> Mhm. >> Uh I don't know. >> I can't I can't really disagree with that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sure. >> Cuz why would I just wallow about it? You know, sometimes all you can do is laugh. >> Do you regret it?

Zena>> What? >> Like what's >> Okay. Okay. Okay. I will say I regret the extent of which I like like I didn't need all that. I could have just burned

Zenathe stuff in the trash. I need >> I could have just burned the stuff in the trash can. I had no business doing [ __ ] to his car. I actually >> She [ __ ] his car up. >> Wait, how does if you put baloney on a

Mars (USC)hot day, it'll like stick to it. So when you like unstick it, this sounds like going into the logistics of >> I would like to know if this is actually a felony or if you pulled that out of your butt

Brian Atlas>> cuz you said it was a felony, sir. Well, I mean, so depending on the amount of property damage it does, again, I'm not entirely sure how the extent of the damage it can do, but like having to repaint your entire car can

Mars (USC)>> I think it was just one piece of baloney, right? Not like the whole car was covered, was it? >> No, not his whole car. >> It wasn't just a baloney. It was like the whole thing. >> No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't his whole car. First of all, >> you don't [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> You don't [ __ ] with a man's car. >> No, no, no. I didn't do his whole car. >> Underwood does. >> Doesn't matter. I just I just did his driver's door. >> All right, we have a Ellie. I'm gonna have you read some of these chats. >> Of course.

Ellie / Jamie>> Hold on one sec. >> Uno momento. It's loading. There it is. >> Yo, Ellie, do you think Net Spend is going to take Blades throne? Drain gang.

Ellie / JamieShout out Echo. He pulled up in a rover. Um, I do not think Net Spend is going to take Blades Throne. >> Word. >> What? >> Okay. >> Disregard.

Brian Atlas>> Cool. Yeah. No idea what that's about. Um, let's see here. Oh, okay. This one's We're just gonna blast through these questions super quick. Uh, not related to dating at all, but it's just kind of

Brian Atlasfun. Uh, for for me anyways, I guess. Uh, what years were World War I? >> God. >> Oh, no idea.

Brian Atlas>> How about it? What decade was your uh World War I? Just what decade? 1940s, 1950s, 1960s? What? What? What decade? >> I was going to say the 1800s. >> 1800s. Okay. What?

Brian Atlas>> 1900s. >> No, no, no. That's century. >> Oh, I'm sorry. The year. >> Yes. Let's specify decades. So, 1830s,4s,50s. >> Let me do 1820. >> 1820.

Brian Atlas>> 1920. 1920. 1930. >> 1930s for World War I. Okay. What do I think of the time? >> 1940s. What do you think? >> 1840s. >> 1840s. >> No, actually, hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Mars (USC)>> I am trying to remember. Or if you asked me when I was 16 taking AP World AP US, I would have known. But it's like I don't study this stuff. Just guess 1920s. >> Just ballpark it. Oh no.

Ellie / Jamie>> 1920s. Okay. What about you? >> 1914 1918. >> Okay, that's a guess. >> I'm going to say late 1950s. >> Late 1950s. What do you think? >> 1912 to 1917. >> What do you think? >> I think it's like around 1918.

Paulina>> Yeah. >> I just realized Zar Nicholas was overthrown. So I'm way off. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's the Bolevik revolution. I'm so off. >> Forgive me. >> It is uh Ellie. There is correct. Congratulations.

Mars (USC)>> Great job. Gave us so much credit. I just remembered it from last week. >> She she uh yanked that one. >> Yeah, but you don't learn that [ __ ] in college. Like, you know, study 1914,

Heidi1918. Current events matters. >> What years were World War II? >> Oh god. >> Oh, I got this one. 1948

Brian Atlas>> to >> I don't know. >> Oh, 1948 to when when did it end? When does it start? When does it end? >> 19 55.

Paulina>> Okay. Your thoughts? >> 1940s. 1944ish. No, I might be wrong on that one. >> Try to stay straight. >> 1940s, but I can't think. >> Tilt your mic down a little bit. What about you? >> Yeah.

Zena>> I was going to say 1940s, 1950s. I don't I also believe it's the 1940s >> to the >> We're going to skip Elliot. >> Yeah. Um I'm going to say the 1950s. >> Okay.

Ellie / Jamie>> Uh 1940. >> Tilt your mic down a bit. What about you? >> I think things kicked off at the end of the 1930s and then it ended I want to say in like 47. >> Okay. Ellie, dates,

Brian Atlas>> guys. Drum roll please. It was Sorry, don't actually do that. I shouldn't have said that. 1939 to 1945. There you go. There you go. Well done. There. She has it. >> Good job. >> Okay, here we go. Name Name three

Paulinacountries. Go. >> Wow. Really? >> Cuba, Brazil, Bise, China, Russia, America. >> You can't repeat, by the way. >> Japan, Italy, and Greece.

Zena>> Peru, Portugal, Australia, >> Korea, Vietnam, United States, >> um, Switzerland, China, and England. Is that a country or is that? We'll accept

Kamayait. We'll accept it. >> Yeah, that's kind of weird. Um, I'm going to go. Did someone say Canada already? >> No, I don't believe >> Canada, Mexico. Um, Kenya,

Brian Atlas>> Paraguay, Uruguay, and let's see, Czechoslovakia. >> Beautiful. Well done. Well done, everybody. Uh, we because of our our

Brian Atlasstream yards is all scuffed. Uh, normally we we have a chat that comes through. The question is, no it's not that uh somebody in the chat usually is Stifler I think uh ask everyone to rate

Brian Atlastheir looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Starting with you looks scale of 1 to 10. Starting with you >> 9.5 >> 9.5 Okay. >> It's kind of awkward to give myself a high rating. It's just awkward.

Paulina>> Yeah. Just whatever that >> I'll just say six. I'll just say six. >> Be confident though. >> I'm I'm confident, but it's just awkward. >> Eight. What about you? >> Eight. in and a half. >> Okay. >> Four,

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] >> I would say like a 10. >> Uh, six. >> Yeah, I'm a solid six on a good day. >> Four on a bad. >> Okay, we got What? What? What did you

Paulinasay? >> I just said six because it's just weird to myself. I'm like, let everybody else rate. >> Okay, we got 9.5. We got an eight. What did you say? 8.5. >> I said eight, eight and a half.

Brian Atlas>> 8.5. And then uh 10. Those are the high high ratings. I give myself a five. Uh okay. Wow. There's some >> rate us now or >> No, I'm not gonna

Brian AtlasI don't I won't give you guys ratings. I will say uh there were some high uh rankings here at the table. Um just curious though since we do have one

Brian Atlasperson who rated themselves the highest. Uh so you gave yourself a 10. >> Yes. So, but the other women, they ranked themselves lower, all lower than you. Is it your position? Do you like disagree with them?

Zena>> Do you think their ratings were too low? >> I think their ratings were too low. I personally think we're all tens. That's just my personal opinion. >> All men tens. >> No. Oh. >> So, well, how do you uh how do you I

Zenaguess reconcile? >> I I never said all women are tens. I said this table. I said people at this table were all tense. All the women at this table are tens. >> Yes. >> Are all the men at this table tens?

Brian Atlas>> The one man? >> Yeah. The one man that's here. Yeah. >> He doesn't buy that. >> He has. >> But I'm I'm I guess I'm confused here. So like everybody's just equal at the

Brian Atlastable. Like there's not one person. There's not cuz you're by, right? So you must make some determinations as to like, oh, this girl's more attractive than this girl. I'm more attracted to her. Uh but all the women here just across the board.

Brian Atlas>> I believe they're all tens. Yes, I do. >> All tens. Yes. >> There's not like a nine at the top. >> No, I believe we're all tens. >> All tens. >> Yes. I think we're all very like gorgeous. >> The four the self-rated four.

Zena>> Yes. She's beautiful. Everybody here is very very beautiful. And I feel like everybody should have given themselves a 10 because that's what we all are. >> Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to do that. Um

Brian AtlasOkay. Um >> I can't wait. Now I want to ask >> what? >> You're very angelic. >> Wait, do that look again, Ellie. Do the look that you did. >> What look? >> Oh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> That one. >> The the look that you you like looked her up and down. >> Oh, that was unintentional. My bad. A little sassy. >> It was a little Yeah. Uh, does anybody, you know, she she calls herself a 10. Do

Paulinado any of the women at the table here who didn't rate themselves a 10 feel this is an accurate rating? I think that I don't know if it's an accurate reading. I mean, none of us here are

Mars (USC)tense. I don't see that at all. Um, but you know, it is what it is. That's a >> Can I ask you cuz obviously everyone has different types, different metrics of who they consider beautiful, attractive,

Mars (USC)whatever. >> Who what is a 10 and a woman to you since none of us are here apparently? >> I don't know. I mean, >> yeah. An example of a 10 like >> example of a 10 is celebr celebrity example. I don't

Paulina>> Rihanna >> Paulina Periscova and her heyday was gorgeous. >> A lot of them are >> Sydney Sweeney. >> Oh. Oh yeah. Sydney Sweeney. >> Who the [ __ ] is that guy? >> What the? >> She has great jeans.

Brian Atlas>> That's my example. >> Sweeney has great jeans. >> Are they real though? I've seen this. >> I mean, people will often say like Megan

Mars (USC)Fox when she was younger. It >> No, you don't think >> she's hot. >> Oh, I totally agree. >> Yeah. >> Well, let's do this. Who do you think Who do you think is a woman who's a 10?

Brian Atlas>> Who do I think is a woman who's a 10? >> Yeah. Like somebody like a >> Megan the Stallion. >> Me the Stallion. >> Megan the Stallion. >> Megan the Stallion is a 10. Yes. I don't even know if I want to look at Megan the Stallion right now. >> She's a stallion.

Zena>> She's a tall. >> She's beautiful. She's eating a basketball player right now. >> She is pretty. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> She's pretty te >> She's an independent artist and she's this famous. She's >> um Okay. >> Who would you rate a 10? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. What celebrity would you rate a 10? >> Yeah, exactly that. >> You know, it's hard. Uh who's uh I'm trying to think. I think I I think I posted some photos in my Discord. Let me think who I did though.

Brian Atlas>> Discord. >> Uh, looks. No, I don't think I posted >> without makeup as a 10 cuz I know you're not really pro makeup. >> Uh, I give Who's the I forgot her name. Uh,

Brian Atlas>> the girl who was in Smallville that I always site to that nobody agrees with me is a I don't think she's a 10, but she's a solid Kristen Kruik. >> She's like a solid >> 8.5. I don't know who that is. >> Maybe even a nine. >> Do you pull up an image? Is that

Brian Atlaspossible? Caesian woman. Young Kristen Krook though. Yeah, she's she's wian. >> I would like to. >> But look, some of some pictures are more flattering than others. Hold on. Wait, Nick, don't pull it up because you're gonna >> find a bad photo.

Ellie / Jamie>> Everyone in the chat, if we show like the old photos, let me see what that can one or was it Clean and Clear. >> Um >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I say young Kristen Kruick. >> Let's see who this one is.

Brian Atlas>> Pretty hot. Um I'm trying to see if I can find some good photos here. Nick, why don't we do this? Um, >> just Google Kristen Kruik and fine. We'll see some of her various photos.

Brian Atlas>> Just just type in Kristen Kruick. It is going to She's 43 now. >> 42. >> Uh, so we are going to see some of Young. All right, go ahead. Pull it up. What do you have?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, click on that first one. The IMDb one. >> That is pretty. >> Oh, okay. They're going to give us the [ __ ] mini photo. Okay. Uh, scroll down on the side there. Scroll down.

Brian Atlas>> So, I'm I'm going to see if I'm getting the same soda. >> She's cute. She's cute. Scroll down. Scroll down. >> I see it. >> Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. >> Go. Go. Go. More. More. More. More. More.

Mars (USC)>> Evangeline. Lily. >> I love her smile. I'm a big like teeth. >> Yeah. What? The one with the white shirt. >> Smile. >> What' you say? Give it a nice click. Just click on that one. >> Uh, just click it. Or is it? Oh my.

Brian AtlasThat's so annoying. Oh, it's cuz it's zoomed in. Zoom out. Zoom out. >> Go to like a 100. Go to 100 or no. Go 150 was good, I

SPEAKER_11guess. >> Yeah, she's pretty. She's really pretty. She's like 14. >> Young. >> She has those Asian jeans. Keeps her looking young and beautiful. >> Like young, you know, you know, >> I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_11>> That was like my celebrity crush when I was >> Yeah, totally. What about >> I give her a solid eight. >> Yeah. Who's your 10? We're asking who your 10 is >> slash nine potentially. >> Do you have a 10?

SPEAKER_14>> A type. >> A 10. A 10. A 10. You know what I mean? >> Oh man, that's hard. That's hard, man. Um h >> I'd say Evangeline Lily. >> Adrenaline.

Brian AtlasWe do actually have some You know what? Here, Nick, pull up uh the looks tab in the Discord. We have some photos of her already. >> Uh,

Brian Atlaslet me know when you have it. >> I have it. >> All right. Just don't show the first post picture. Okay. Scroll up. Do you have it? >> It takes Scarlet Johansson, too. >> Just don't hide the latest.

Paulina>> Hide the latest one. I think you know what I mean. All right. Click on the third one at the top. >> Oh, from I like her. >> She's

SPEAKER_08>> I give her a solid That's solid nine. She's cute. 10. Nine. >> Yeah. >> You know, I don't know if nine exists. I don't know if more simple girl. >> You don't think tens simple?

Paulina>> Well, she's pretty, but you kind of have more of a s soft simple. Even the first one, she's more soft, simple, >> girl next door type vibe from you. >> Oh, right. I don't want like >> I'm not simplifying it titty.

Paulina>> That's what I mean. Like the glam thing. >> Yeah, cuz you're so antiup. >> Pretty much. Um, I guess. Uh, yeah. Do you have a guy who you think is a 10? >> Oh, wait.

Brian Atlas>> I had a child crush. Of course. >> Did you say Did you say Michael B. Jordan? >> Yes, I did. >> Have you seen that man? Did you watch him in Sinners? >> Yeah. He's very attractive. >> I think the audience probably knows who that is. Michael B. Jordan. Do you So, you're a 10. He's a 10.

Brian Atlas>> He's crazy. >> Do you Do you think that you could uh get Michael B. Jordan? >> No. >> Why not? >> Because it's Michael B. Jordan. But you're a 10. >> But it's Michael B. Jordan. That's >> But he's a 10 and you're a 10. Why can't you get him?

Zena>> Different. I'd be so nervous. I'd probably fumble. I'd probably trip. >> Nope. I'd take care of you, baby girl. >> He probably would. >> And let me tell you, if he ever said,

Zena"Let's go. I'm going in a heartbeat." But like realistically, it probably wouldn't happen. >> Who's a 10? >> Who can I say is a 10? >> There is one. I mean, you could go to models like Adriana Lima.

Kamaya>> Oh, duh. >> Gorgeous. >> What about Johnson Taylor? >> Who's that? >> So, >> is that the football player? >> No, he No. >> He mixed up the names. Aaron Taylor Johnson. >> Oh, is that the guy with the age gap relationship? The guy who's dating an

Brian Atlasold lady. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's a problem. >> That's another >> that's another conversation. >> Was he groomed? >> Totally groomed. >> Oh, >> well, they met when he was >> underageed. >> Was he underage? is underage. >> All right. There's so there could be

Brian Atlassome arguments there that >> How awkward and how awkward for her daughters that are his age. How awkward is that? >> He could He's Yeah, he's a good-looking guy. He could uh you know >> I know >> do better >> beyond that.

Heidi>> I think Austin Butler. >> Austin Butler. >> Yeah, I know. >> Who's that? I don't know. >> He played Elvis. >> Who the [ __ ] is that guy? >> You might sound

Mars (USC)that one guy that poses all the time. >> Caught stealing maybe coming out. I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. >> Did you guys have childhood crushes? >> Yes. >> Mine was Cameron Boyce. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Mine was Carter. Rest in

Brian Atlaspeace. >> I Oh, Aaron Carter. Yeah. >> You're a 9.5. Give us a person who you a guy who you think is a 9.5. [Music]

Brian Atlas>> Like a celebrity crush or like >> a celebrity. A celebrity. Sure. Somebody we could look up. Okay. >> Like they could just be I don't know. Somebody who's public.

Heidi>> I think Noah Beck. >> Who's that? Can we Google Tik Tocker? >> That's a good one. >> Who the [ __ ] is that guy? >> Who that? >> Wait, is that the guy who used to date >> Addison? Wright. No. Right. >> No.

Mars (USC)>> One of the D'Amelios. >> The the >> broccoli hair. >> Broccoli hair guy. >> Like a thicker neck. >> I feel like there was about >> There was

Brian AtlasOh, this guy. >> Okay, this guy. >> Yeah. >> Um, okay. So, do you think you could land him?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I've talked to him before. Or Vinnie Hacker. I've Vinnie Hacker's been in my DMs. >> Who the [ __ ] is that guy? >> Oh, who's Okay, I don't know any of >> you got to search up Vinnie Hacker. >> Search Vinnie Hacker. >> He's a Tik Tok celebrity.

Brian Atlas>> He's so nice. >> He's also a model. Yeah, >> he's he's in He's also what? model. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Vinnie Hacker. >> Vinnie Hacker. Yeah. Look it up. Um, wait. So, you said you've met Noah back. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> But I asked if you would could get him. >> Yeah. >> Did you get him? >> I didn't try. >> Ah, she didn't try. But if you did, you could have. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I blew up.

Kamaya>> Uh, do we have the photos? Okay. >> Oh, so fine. So fine. >> He looks toxic. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He looks toxic. >> He looks like he my life. >> Can we pull up the first picture?

Kamaya>> He's up to no. >> I'm looking at that one, too. >> Some of the photos, please. It's a bit small. >> Okay. >> No, >> just click on some of them. Okay. >> He's too feminine. He needs a haircut.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, click click on the the top right one, I guess. Okay. All right. So, he's he's in your DMs. >> He's been in my DMs. Yeah.

HeidiI see him at parties occasionally. >> What did he What did What did he say? >> It was just casual conversation. >> He's He slid into your DMs. >> Yeah. >> You didn't slide into his DMs?

Heidi>> No. This was 2019, but we still occasionally see each other at parties. He doesn't really do the dating thing. And he's very open that he doesn't do that. >> What does he do? Just hook up once and never talk to you again?

Mars (USC)>> No, he doesn't really get with girls at all. He's like very nerdy, very gamer type. Like >> he's a streamer as well. >> He recently voice acting. He like for anime actually. I've seen it on my for

Heidiyou page. >> That's I mean that's what he says but >> we don't know. We don't have down girls all the time that that are tend like his friends always are like I can't believe you turned that girl down. Like he

Brian Atlasdoesn't really date. But he initially slid into your DMs and you just weren't feeling it or >> I didn't live out here at the time.

Heidi>> Okay. All right. If you wanted to, do you think you could land him? >> Yeah. Why don't you want to? because I don't

Heidifeel like I'm successful enough to really need to be like I am very passionate about my career and focusing on myself and being the best version of me before trying to commit to somebody

Heidithat's already at their success level that I want to be at success. How do you find success? What's your definition? >> Uh reaching my dream career, >> which is what

Heidi>> I would say right now I want to get more into modeling and commercial modeling. Um, right now I'm financially stable and in a career that I enjoy. Um, so it's

Heidimore of just getting into that dream field rather than just a career I enjoy doing. >> So you're not

Heidisuccessful enough to get with him is what you're saying? >> No, I didn't say that. I'm just saying I'm not worried about chasing those types of men right now. like they're already very well off. I want to be very

Ellie / Jamiewell off myself before I go after somebody that's already very well off. You could still accomplish being very well off while you're with somebody that is also very well off and perhaps like

Heidiwith greater resources and connections, too. I mean, but then again, I say that and I mean, I was working at Home Depot when I met my husband. >> I feel like when you're going after somebody with that status, sometimes it

Heidican come off as you're a clout chaser, especially in the social media fields. So it's like they have yours. >> Yeah. But not to that extent. >> Guys don't really care about that at all.

Paulina>> In social media they do. >> Yes. Maybe in social media, but that's not really like >> that's the world I'm in >> like a provider kind that you want to go the long run with. >> The longevity. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's just Yeah. He's not even

Brian AtlasYeah. Not very masculine. >> Okay. Um I don't know. I it >> why why do women overrate themselves though? That's that's one

Mars (USC)>> I think it's a confidence thing >> confused about. >> Um I don't know. I I do think that there can be objective metrics of the analysis

Mars (USC)of beauty, but there are obviously some people value euroentric features, some people value African features. Like I don't know, I feel that there's a

Mars (USC)spectrum to it. And when women rate themselves highly, I believe that's just a reflection of their own personal confidence and security in themselves. Even if you don't agree with their rating, I don't necessarily see an issue in a woman rating.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But can I just say a woman who's just like, "Oh, I'm a six and I'm fine with it." Wouldn't that be confidence, too? >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I think, you know, it's it's different for everybody.

Paulina>> I'd rather underrate myself. It's like cooking food. I'd rather undersult than oversalt if that makes any sense. That's it. >> Just want to put you in my pocket. >> Sometimes if there's versions of yourself you can look back on and be

Heidilike, "Oh, I was definitely like this number then and now I'm definitely upgraded now." It's like definitely thought I was an eight 10 years ago. I was so cute 10 years ago. What happened? >> You're still cute.

Brian Atlas>> Still cute. >> Wait. Uh question for you though. What do you rate me? I'm not going to be offended. You can be honest. Me? >> No, you. >> Oh, >> me? >> Yeah. >> Oh, [ __ ] Um, I already rated you.

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah, you gave me a 10, but like what is that your actual like that's what you'd rate me? >> Like if I >> You can be like I'm not going to be upset. You can rate me a four. I'm not >> like if I thought about it, >> it's based on what your type is. You

Zenaknow, >> my type specifically, not being objective. >> He's asking you, right? I mean, how do you want to You can give me both answers. You can say objective. Objective question. From an objective standpoint, you would be like like like

Zenanot from my personal type. I feel like you'd be a 10 in other women's eyes. From my eyes, I would say more five 5.5 only because you're you're out of my age range,

Zena>> if that makes sense. And like and like >> I'm a fan of hair. So, I like people who have like a lot of hair on their head like like more. Well, well, wait. Let me explain to you. >> Like, let me finish my thought.

Zena>> Full head of hair, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. Like, like I like guys with a full head of hair all around. Not like Okay. Like his hair in the back, his hair right there, that's the hair I like. >> She wants broccoli hair. >> Yeah.

Zena>> Longer. >> I'm using you as an example, sir. But like like I like like the shaggy like type hair. >> Rockstar hair. >> I like it when my husband hair grows his

Ellie / Jamiehair out. He's always getting haircuts when they have >> he's got jewelry. I feel like we all do our thing. >> He's always making appointments to go get his haircut. Just let your curls.

Brian Atlas>> He's got Latino hair. >> So in your perspective, if you and me were dating and this is just looks, right? Uh you would be you would be settling me settling for me like that would be your perspective.

Brian Atlas>> Uh if I'm with you I'm probably not settling like I don't know you personally. So >> no but I mean you said that from your perspective >> like looks wise. Yes. >> Yeah. You you're five or sorry you said I'm a 5.5 and you said you're a 10. So

Brian Atlasfrom your perspective you'd be settling in terms of looks. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Look I'm not offended. I'm just like >> you asked. I'm just >> I don't think your rating of me is is off, but I think your rating of yourself is so off to the point >> I think I love I think I have I think I just have confidence.

Brian Atlas>> You got to rate everybody, Brian. >> Yeah, I feel like I'm going to actually >> I feel like it sounds like you want to. >> I mean, if I'll only I'll rate you guys if each of you individually are okay with it.

Mars (USC)>> I could set. But I would like Yes, I could set I would like you to start with her, though, cuz she just rated you. Yeah. Sorry for you to rate her back. I think so. I'm just curious. >> I just want to be clear like I'm going

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