Tradthot E-GIRL DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #255

Date: 2025-08-11

Duration: 8h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJamie (Teacher)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Zena(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ellie / Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kamaya(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Paulina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mars (USC)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elizabeth(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentHeidi reveals situationship partner is a male sex worker

Key MomentRinggate e-girl drama: Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan controversy

Key MomentHeidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

OtherPaulina leaves the show at ~472 min

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Heidi (situationship with male sex worker) and Jamie (DV survivor).

Heidi Male Sex Worker Reveal

Heidi's situationship partner is a male sex worker.

Ringgate E-Girl Drama

Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan Twitter drama react.

Farting in Relationships

Brian's strong anti-farting stance in relationships.

Equal Partnership vs Providing

Heidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

Paper Abortion Debate

Legal paternal surrender / male reproductive rights debate.

Body Count Round

Heidi 1, Elizabeth 2, Kamaya 5, Mars under 25, Ellie 0, Zena 10-25, Jamie 8.

Transcript

Page 2 of 9

Zenafriend. You know what's funny is I was wearing the engagement ring the other day. I am so dead. >> I wear it all the time. It's the one I always wear on my finger. I'm not wearing it right now. It's getting clean. >> I've told you about that.

Zena>> My bad. >> He bought an engagement ring. >> Yeah. >> You didn't give it back. >> No. >> Why would you? I wouldn't give it back. >> Technically, >> I still talked to him. We're still friends. He has a wife now.

Brian Atlas>> Well, actually, technically, legally speaking, >> engagement rings >> are supposed to be given back. Well, I mean, if they don't if they don't press it, >> like they they do have a legal claim to getting it back. >> Okay. He never asked.

Zena>> But if he he's like whatever. >> Kind of embarrassing. >> Yeah. He never Well, he never asked back >> if the engagement's off. Who cares? >> Okay. Cuz what are you going to do with the ring? >> What are you going to do with the ring? Like, are you going to give it to another woman?

Zena>> If I was another woman and I found out you gave me an engagement you gave to some other person, I don't know if we could get married. I'd feel a little like second choice. >> All right. And uh you said you've been single for 3 months. So were you what

Zenawas the thing 3 months ago? Just short term or >> um it was it you could call it short term. Um some stuff happened like we got together like a little bit before my

Zenabirthday which is in March and then he got into a motorcycle accident >> and Yeah. >> I was like I was like which one is she talking about? >> Yeah.

Zenaand he like broke his pelvis, his shoulder, and like his legs. And like I went to visit him in the hospital. We had a couple instances in the hospital

Zenawhere like things got a little heated and we had some miscommunication and then he ended up like getting out the hospital. He was really distant and then he ended up breaking up with me

Zenakind of abruptly. It wasn't I wouldn't call it a like good breakup only because like the when he broke up with me, he texted me and was like, "I can't do this anymore." >> Wait, how long were you guys together?

Zena>> We were together for like a month, >> but like I've But like I've kn But like I've known him for like years. >> So like So like I wasn't mad that he broke up with me, nothing like that. Like I wasn't like mad at that. I was

Zenamad that like after he texted me, he was like, "I want to call you to like do it officially over the phone. I think you deserve more than that." And I was like, "Cool." So, I call him. He's like, "I'm on the phone with my mom. I'll call you back after the like day goes by." I text

Zenahim like, "Hey, when were we going to call?" He's like, "Oh, I can call you at 9:00 p.m." And at this time, it's like 9:00 a.m. >> So, I'm like, "Okay, call me at 9:00 p.m." 9:00 p.m. comes around. Never

Zenacalls me. I text him. Nothing. The next day, I'm like, "Hey, I'm not mad at you that you couldn't call me or anything, but please don't dedicate yourself to something that you're not going to follow through on. Like, I just don't

Zenaappreciate that." And then he texted me like this whole long thing about how like he doesn't owe me anything and that he doesn't want to cater to me and that I'm probably cheating on him. It was like this really like big thing for no

Mars (USC)reason and then he was like you made a big mistake. >> I'm just so confused cuz wasn't he trying to call you to like talk about your breakup? So why is he on you in the first place? I don't know. >> I remember showing you those texts and you were just like

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I don't miss this one. >> Yeah, we don't miss this one. So, >> you guys were together for a month, but you'd known each other for >> Yeah. >> like friends or >> like friends? Yeah. >> Okay. And he initially texted you the

Zenabreakup message, >> but then he wanted to do a phone call. >> Yeah. >> When you say you knew each other beforehand, though. What was the extent of your >> Um, we met on like a set for one of his like short films that he was doing and

Zenawe just like connected and like became like really close friends from that. >> When you say close friends, what does that mean? like kind of hooking up but also we're friends >> kind like we're hooking up but like you

Brian Atlasknow we're still homies. >> Was and then it was official for one month though. >> Yeah. He like >> So from the point of the first time you hooked up to the point of when it became official. How long was that? >> Like a year.

Zena>> A year. >> Yeah. >> So you guys were hooking up for a year >> about. >> H >> but you said you were only with him for a month. >> Yes sir. >> Officially. >> Officially. I mean, I would count I would

Zena>> I would count that whole year. But >> I wouldn't count that whole year cuz we didn't go on dates that entire year. Like I feel like boyfriend, girlfriend, you're going on dates. Yeah. It was more I would say it's friends with benefits

Brian Atlascuz it's not like >> it's not like we were going on dates. >> What's the incentive? >> Cuz you said well you weren't going on dates. If the guy is getting the hookup,

Brian Atlas>> like like >> what is the incentive to then transition >> into taking a girl out on dates after he's like he's already getting the sex? I just don't understand like

Mars (USC)>> he just really likes me. >> I guess some I think some guys want a more emotional connection. You know, some guys just want sex. Some people want a person though, you know, someone they can.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So that gives it cuz I was about to say you guys were only together for a month. A text is is >> would suffice. Would suffice, right? >> I think a text is fine. Yeah. >> But you've been [ __ ] for a year.

Brian Atlas>> A whole year. >> You've been [ __ ] for a year. >> That's probably uh like phone call or inerson territory. Although, at least maybe I want the panel to win on this.

Mars (USC)>> I kind of think even if it's been a year or two, just do a text. >> Yeah. I was personally >> What do you guys think? >> Just a text. >> I I think it's circumstantial cuz we all

Mars (USC)live very busy lives. Like sometimes I'm not going to be in the same city as my partner and maybe our time is wrapping up. I would rather not string them along or them not string me along and it's just if we're not feeling any type of

Mars (USC)way, let's just rip the band-aid off. I I do see the element of respect in trying to have an in-person conversation. But I also feel like our generation tries to force closure. Like sometimes things are just over and that can just be a text and we can all move

Brian Atlason. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. And I think that uh I mean me personally, at least from my if a girl is breaking up with me, I think even if I've been

Brian Atlasdating her for two years, I'm okay with the text. >> I'd be okay with the text. >> Now, if I had other further questions, I would appreciate, but I'd probably just be like okay with the text message. be

Mars (USC)like, "All right, whatever. >> This isn't working out. Sorry." >> I think in person is better for me. >> Bite, you know what I mean? It's like if the relationship's coming to an end, why is a conversation? >> Yeah. Especially given the circumstances

Zenaof like he just got out the hospital. It's like one of those things of like, okay, that I can definitely understand why you're like you're still learning to like walk, you're doing PT, you have stuff that you have to do. Yeah. Exactly. And it like for me, I wasn't

Zenamad that he sent the text. I was mad that he said he wanted to call and then ghosted me all day and then didn't do the call like he said he was going to. >> I guess the breakup was probably a good thing though. >> Yeah. It was just like I was just I was

Zenajust mad that he insisted on this stupid call and then didn't do it. Like >> should get off the pot, bro. >> Yeah. Like like okay, you already texted me. What do you want to call for? >> I'm surprised none of you are actually giving me more push back on my been

Heididating for two years. >> The two because sometimes it's just a text. >> Text messages is okay. Yeah. I mean, >> I hope I don't think it's okay. >> Yeah. Is it about this? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But like, what if you get the text and

Mars (USC)they're like, "Yeah, I just want to be friends." And then they try and like hook up with you. >> Do you feel you could be friends with it really end? >> No, it's over. Yeah. Cuz I I don't I don't feel that

Mars (USC)way either. You know, I understand having this emotional connection to your ex, but I don't know. I've tried to do the whole being friends with your exes thing, but it never works. Someone

Mars (USC)always like feels more emotionally invested than the other person, and it's just I don't know. Tyami and Jake Weber, I don't know how you guys do it, but I I don't think that it's super sustainable,

Mars (USC)honestly. And that's that's the thing too with the whole like text message thing. The reason I'm okay with the text message when we're ending our romantic relationship is because I can look back on our romantic relationship with so

Mars (USC)much fondness. But when that chapter is over, you know, I'm on to the next book, if if our story is over, I don't know. I I don't I feel like I'm trying to force it if I continue to try to be friends

Mars (USC)with my ex cuz you have all that history and those memories. I don't know. Me personally, I I don't think >> maybe we can be acquaintances, like if we worked together on like different sets, like that's totally cool, but I don't I don't think I could truly be

Brian Atlasgood friends with an ex. >> I I mean, I think it should be things should be amicable. like it shouldn't be >> if possible, >> but I'm not keeping tabs on them. >> We're not hanging out. We're not kicking

Brian Atlasit as clean cut. It's over. Totally. >> Uh, but going back really quick to the the texting as a breakup measure. >> Uh, a little surprised here because I've I've heard a lot of women say they they

Brian Atlaswant to have that conversation. Maybe more so if the woman's the one getting dumped than if they're doing the dumping. Um I pride myself in, you know, I have many positive traits,

Brian Atlascharacteristics, >> many. >> Uh one of which I'm very humble, humility. Uh but I did think of a unique

Brian Atlastrait that I do have. I'm uh I'm very easy to break up with. >> Interesting. >> Kind of like a you know, a a weird one.

Brian Atlaskind of I'm very easy to break up with because uh you know whether it's been one two three dates or we've been dating one two three years uh you know cuz look

Brian Atlassome women might have like safety concerns with a guy they're seeing oh is he >> is he going to kill me or some [ __ ] you

Brian Atlasknow what the [ __ ] is he going to be angry so you know sometimes some men can be scary but look to be clear most men you break up with them it's going to be fine But like maybe you guys have had a

Brian Atlassituation >> where even like a guy you've been on one date, two dates, three dates with, they lose their [ __ ] mind. >> They lose their mind. And you know what's weird? I've had this experience with women where I tell them and I I try

Brian Atlasnot to ghost. >> I try not to ghost. Although sometimes I Why you laughing, Nick? What the [ __ ] I try but I I actually, you know, I've had experiences where I'm like, "I should

Brian Atlashave ghosted because I try to do the right thing." and you try to do the right thing and you're like, you know what, I'm a I'm a caller. I'm going to do it in person or out to send a text. And I'm always very polite. I'm like,

Brian Atlasyou know, hey, listen. Uh, it was really nice meeting you. I just don't think we really connected. I didn't I don't know if it was the right right match. I wish you nothing but the best. Super polite.

Brian AtlasAnd they lose their [ __ ] mind. Lose their mind. And they could just be like the previous text they sent me was, "I had such a great time with you. I want to see you again." Blah blah blah. And then they then they're like, "You're a [ __ ]

Brian Atlaspiece of [ __ ] I didn't even want to be with you anyway. You're [ __ ] ugly." Blah blah. All this [ __ ] right? I'm like, "What the [ __ ] I was trying to be the nice guy. Do the not ghost you, >> right?" >> And then I I do the thing and then they

Brian Atlaslose their mind and they they use it and then they'll push. They'll be like, "Well, why do you want to stop seeing me?" >> They're stranger. >> No, but I'm like, "Look, listen. Um, I have made my mind up. Right.

Brian Atlas>> Uh I don't really want to like dive into it. Sometimes I'll tell them. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes I'll tell them. >> Sometimes if they deserve it, >> but if it's something that's going to hurt their feelings, >> it's like, you know, like if it's

Brian Atlassomething about the way they look, >> they're not immediately. something like that's going to give them like longterm insecurity. I'm not going to say it, but if it's just something like I don't

Ellie / Jamieknow, uh >> you watch the Kardashians or something. I don't know, something stupid like that. >> You should disclose in the text message, hey, I could have ghosted you, but I'm doing a really nice >> No, that

Brian Atlasis exactly what I would do. >> I don't know. >> I tried to uh >> if they push it, but >> no deed goes unpunished. >> And it's true. It's true. But I've had girls lose it. >> Yeah, >> they lose it.

Brian Atlas>> And uh so sometimes I think I'm kind of like, you know, nah, ghosting is sometimes valid, especially for women. Sometimes y'all have like, "This guy could be [ __ ] crazy." >> Yeah, I can see that in some situations.

Brian AtlasI think ghosting is acceptable. I think you can at the very least >> if you send a clear-cut breakup text message >> or you want to end things message, you've been on one, two, three dates with this person, whatever. >> Oh, yeah. you send a polite message and

Brian Atlasthey push it. >> I think then once you've made a clear bound you you not a boundary but you've made it pretty clear like hey this is over I think you can ghost from there if they're trying to push if they're trying

Brian Atlasto push for an argument. >> Um so also wait I had something for this. Uh but yeah I'm very easy to break up with a girl can say oh Brian I you

Brian Atlasknow I don't think you know this is not not the fit. I'll just be like, >> "Okay, >> I guess it comes from experience. It >> was nice meeting you." So, you know, it's Look, some when I was younger, I'd

Brian Atlasprobably just not even respond. That's kind of a dick move, but >> um you know what? She's ending things. What? I don't I don't owe her. Uh >> you don't owe her owe her. If she's ending things, Rose Garden, >> but I've been dating her for a while.

Ellie / Jamie>> Kind of for sending me a text. All right. Sometimes sometimes you try to end things and then they show up at your job and then they you can definitely smell alcohol on their breath because >> you know they didn't even like you know

Ellie / Jamielock up their bike properly and then you know you're trying like you're being a little loud and you know you try to call the police and like yoink and then they break your phone right over their knee. >> Wow,

Ellie / Jamiethat happened to me last week. Yeah, like a relatable thing to me, but it can happen sometimes. It does happen. >> Sounds very hyper specific. >> I might be >> I might be a bit bummed out, you know, but >> yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I'll just be like I'm not going to lose it. I'm just going to be like, "All right, well uh hey, it was uh I understand. It was nice meeting you." >> Yeah. But it's not going further. You have to detach. I understand that. >> It's a great quality to have. You're

Brian Atlaseasy to I I I look for that in a woman. Yeah. because I want some stock or like I break up with a girl and I feel trapped in the relationship because I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] she's gonna like [ __ ] my [ __ ] up." >> And I kind of wonder if you break up in person if it kind of leaves the door open.

Paulina>> That's what I was going to say. How you were saying it kind of because when you're breaking up in person, you're seeing facial cues, all these sort like even kind of the hint of maybe it can kind of work out. You just don't know. >> Hold on. I am Wait, wait.

Paulina>> But I've always broken up with my exes in person. I just find it as a respect factor, especially two years of a relationship. It's not cold like that. If I if I sent a text to a girl who I've

Brian Atlasbeen seeing for 2 years, I think she'd justifiably be upset if it was a text. >> But I think maybe what I what everybody could do if you're okay with a text like first date, be like, >> "By the way,

Brian Atlas>> if this is ends up working, >> I give you permission to just dump me over text message." >> Yeah, >> you can dump me over text. Dump me over text message. I don't need to like I don't want to go meet you at the mall.

Brian AtlasSo you can just I don't want to drive to the mall to be broken up with just text me. >> Literally don't waste my time. Don't go. >> When it comes to breaking up in person, I actually You know what?

Brian AtlasThe best sex is don't break up with me sex. >> So I might have to reconsider my very disagree. Gentlemen, if you're considering breaking up with a girl,

Brian Atlasmaybe do it in person >> because she might be like >> you might get a last little be awkward. >> The the best sex is don't break up with me sex. Trust trust me. >> That's kind of fun. >> I mean, that'll do it.

Paulina>> Just start to choke them in. >> Yeah. Like I'm into that. Sorry. >> If if you if you've categorically attracted not so good guys, aggressive alcoholics or something kind of crazy,

Paulinathey might have a crazy streak. I can understand some distance. In my case, I've never attracted bad guys. You know, they were fundamentally good guys, but just not for me at the time. So, it's just a respect factor for me. >> Fair.

Brian Atlas>> I understand. >> All right. Um I'm trying to think if there's anything else on the >> uh ghosting thing and the breaking up. No, I think that's pretty much it. Um relationship status.

Kamaya>> Uh I am currently engaged to >> Congratulations to my fiance of uh six years. It'll be six years this week. Um, yeah. >> Congratulations.

Kamaya>> You've been together six years total. >> Yeah, we were we met uh in college. We met on Tinder. Um, >> what a love story. Yeah. Uh, we did a situationship for about a year and then made it official almost a year to the

Kamayaday. >> So, this is your longest relationship? >> Yes. >> Any other relationships besides this one? >> I had one in high school. I was a junior in high school. We were together for about two years. Um, after I graduated, we decided to end things just because

Ellie / Jamiewe're going to college and I didn't want to do long-distance relationship. >> All right. What about you? >> Um, I am married.

Ellie / Jamie>> Um, we've been together nine years and we've been married for eight. We >> Is this your longest relationship? >> Yeah, this is my longest relationship.

Ellie / JamieSecond longest, I think, would be actually with my first son's father. I have two boys. Um, >> okay. >> That was a [ __ ] show. >> Wait, so you have two kids? >> Yes. Two sons?

Ellie / Jamie>> Two sons. One from your You said first marriage or first relationship? >> Yeah. Well, he did propose. That was a [ __ ] show. It should have never happened, honestly. >> He played music. We were caught up in

Brian Atlasthe moment. You know, it is what it is. But it didn't it didn't last long. Um, >> wait. So, let's do a bit of a timeline here. Uh, how old were you when you started dating the baby daddy? >> Uh, yeah. 19. >> 19. How old were you when you got

Ellie / Jamiepregnant? >> Uh 19. >> How soon into meeting him did you get pregnant? >> Oh gosh. I think we were seeing each other for like maybe 3 4 months.

Ellie / Jamie>> Not my best hour. Not my finest. >> And then so you and then at 20 you gave birth, I guess. Um >> Yep. I had Jude um at 20. And then when Jude was Yeah. As

Ellie / Jamie>> like Jude Law. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like hey Jude. Hey June. Yeah. >> Um God. >> So how long did you stay with him?

Ellie / Jamie>> Two years max. >> Okay. Does he pay child support? >> He's supposed to. >> Is what's the custody arrangement? >> Uh I believe uh the papers say it's

Ellie / Jamiesupposed to be 50/50, but um so just for background, we met I I'm from Maryland. We met in Maryland. The whole thing happened in Maryland. Um, I met my now husband in

Ellie / Jamie2016. Um, we got married in 2017, moved out to Kansas. So now I'm a Midwestern gal. >> Um, and he's never been out, not once, to

Ellie / Jamiesee him from Maryland to Kansas. He insists that >> we need to go there because it was never his decision for me to move out to Kansas. >> Pretty sure that's not legal. >> No, it's not. If you have a 50/50

Brian Atlascustody arrangement. >> Yeah. That's actually very true. >> What's not legal? >> You're not the fact that her baby daddy will not >> Yeah. >> Wouldn't it be not Wouldn't it be not

Brian Atlaslegal if you have a 50/50 custody arrangement for you to move your child to a different state? >> When it comes to Hold on. When it comes to the legal culpability here, I

Brian Atlasactually think she's in the wrong. >> Actually, you would be wrong. Well, if you have a 50-50 if you have a 50/50 custody arrangement, one of the parents can't unilaterally move the child to a

Brian Atlasdifferent state for what? >> Now, I don't know the specifics, but >> it you do have a 50/50 custody arrangement when you were living in his state.

Brian Atlas>> Was he seeing the child? >> Sometimes. >> Okay. But so did was there a court order granting you permission to move states? >> Yes. So, you did go to the court and ask

Ellie / Jamieto move. >> Absolutely. Yeah. It's all on the board. >> Just to be clear that definitively you did this. You went to the court. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> He didn't dispute this. >> So, he was he

Ellie / Jamie>> didn't like it. But, I mean, also >> Well, hold on. Wait. How did you >> Wait. If there's the 50/50 in place, does that just make a null void? Basically what had happened was they uh

Ellie / Jamiethey altered the agreement to where like you know he's supposed to go there for summers and then you know Mike's supposed to come out here and you know well out here out to Kansas to see him but that never really happened.

Ellie / Jamie>> So and also it got to a situation to where it was like ah you know are you are you good like are you okay like I'm not going to send my >> my little kid out there you know to be in a potentially you know not so great

Ellie / Jamiesituation. So I er on the side of conscience uh of uh caution. >> So you breached the custody agreement. >> So is he? >> How so? >> Because he doesn't come out. He doesn't

Brian Atlashe doesn't partake in his visitation rights. >> But I'm a little confused. You were initially in breach because you were alienating. >> I was not in breach. >> Well, when you were still living in the state that he was living in, you were

Brian Atlaspreventing him from >> No, I wasn't preventing. Didn't you just say that you thought in your determination that things with him were shifty? So, you didn't send your kid?

Brian Atlas>> No. By the time I got out here, >> so >> wait. Okay. Oh, the custody arrangement is >> when you moved here, you're the kid

Ellie / Jamiewould go to him in the summertime, >> for example. >> And then he's also supposed to come out here to visit. Like there are times when he's supposed to come out here to visit, come out to us and he hasn't. >> I don't think

Mars (USC)>> and now I mean honestly there's really no much of a relationship there now. He's he's >> it's usually up to the parents when they want to do 5050. >> That has to happen. Not necessarily the summer every time. Right. >> So yeah. And I don't I it's been years

Ellie / Jamiesince I've looked at our court papers because now like you know he's older. He's almost 16. So, and they don't really have much of a relationship now >> that way because my son's like, "Uh, no thanks."

Brian Atlas>> How long ago did you move? >> Oh gosh, like 8 years ago. >> Okay. So, initially though, when you were contemplating this move, >> I sent him out. Mhm. >> Huh? >> I sent him out to visit, man. >> No, but before you moved, when you were

Brian Atlascontemplating the move, >> Mhm. >> you said from Maryland to Kansas. >> Mhm. >> He the father was against the move. Was he fighting the move? >> He didn't He didn't like it. No,

Brian Atlas>> because he didn't fight it. >> Why was he Why did he not like it? >> Uh, well, because we were moving, >> which would mean what? >> Which would mean that he didn't have access. >> Okay.

Brian AtlasSo, >> did you take into account what the father wanted? >> Yes. >> But you decided to move anyways. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> He's not a safe individual.

Brian AtlasUh he's >> okay. Is there like a >> there's stuff >> like a Yeah. >> Was he has he been arrested for like DV or something like that or >> maybe not DV but definitely violence >> towards you?

Ellie / Jamie>> The cops were called a couple of times. Yeah. >> Were you violent towards him? >> No. >> Okay. So there Wait, hold on. There either was or there wasn't domestic violence. >> There there definitely was. It was a

Ellie / Jamietoxic relationship. It was not a great relationship. Okay. Were you guys living together? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Was the violence uh reciprocal? >> Not really. No.

Ellie / Jamie>> Okay. So, he was arrested a couple times. >> He was arrested for assault, but not on me. That's This was This was

Brian Atlas>> on the child to us. No, >> hold on. He was arrested. He assaulted a stranger in the street. Who did he assault? >> He's technically in a mall.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. Let's rewind a bit here. Did he ever put his hands on you? >> Yes. >> Okay. And the cops came? >> Yes. >> Was he arrested for that? >> No.

Ellie / Jamie>> It was like right around about then that I was like, "This is probably not a great situation." So, I called my my folks and I left. >> Okay. >> We lived in the same neighborhood. I mean, at one point he lived right around

Ellie / Jamiethe corner and still was not very involved. >> Okay. Um, so you guys were like punching each other or shoving. What was the

Ellie / Jamie>> no >> nature of the physical conflict? >> It was a long time ago. What I remember

Ellie / Jamieis that he choked me and um I fell back and hit my head on the floor. >> Okay. So you guys were having an

Brian Atlasargument >> and you guys were separate like standing far apart from each other. >> Yeah. Our apartment was like maybe the size of like >> a small apartment. Okay. >> So he walked over to you and choked you like this or

Ellie / Jamie>> there's a little bit more to it. It was, like I said, it was a long time ago, so I don't remember all of the details, but basically I think it surrounded like, you know, >> like was it a BJJ rear naked choke? >> Kind of like a like a

Paulina>> Are you guys >> a choke slam? >> Yeah, >> a choke. He's a strong guy then. He choke slammed you like the Undertaker. >> Yeah. >> World WWF. >> But what triggered that? That's what I'm kind of curious about. >> I don't quite remember.

Ellie / Jamie>> Yeah, >> I don't quite remember. Uh I said it was a long time ago. >> It does. Did they make just out of curiosity? >> It was a very very volatile like relationship. So like he would get mad

Mars (USC)>> like if other people were looking at me and he would generally like project that on to me. >> So >> can I ask and I don't mean this in any type of way and I'm you know happy and proud of you for getting out of that

Mars (USC)situation. And I'm sorry you lived through that. But when you were in that situation, cuz I have had friends who have been exposed to DV as well. At that

Mars (USC)point in time, did you excuse his behavior and like lie to the cops? You know what I mean? Or were you like, "Okay, I recognize that this is a problem. I need to get out of it." Or were you like, "No, no, like he just

Ellie / Jamiegets like this sometimes." >> Yeah. A little column A, a little column B. you know, um, again, 19 was not my finest hour. >> You're young, you know,

Ellie / Jamie>> figure out idiot really. Um, and at the time it was like, you know, this is this is my son's father. I should probably try and make this work.

Ellie / Jamie>> Kind of deal, you know, and then like there were substances that >> happened to find their way into our house and then, you know, just it got

Ellie / Jamiefrom bad to worse. >> Yeah. And it became like a situation to where like this is not good. This is not normal.

Ellie / Jamie>> I need to go because I have a baby. And if he can put his hands on a female, then he could put his hands on a kid. >> Not that he ever would. I'm sure I'm sure he's got plenty more kids now. Um

Mars (USC)>> but it just it wasn't it was not a good situation. And it wasn't we weren't >> we weren't exactly equally yolked either. >> I got it. So, you know, >> and I know you mentioned, you haven't looked at it in a while, but you do

Mars (USC)technically legally have a 50/50 custody arrangement. >> You also mentioned that he's not very present in your son's life at this point. >> At the at the very moment, >> yes, >> he is blocked. >> Okay.

Ellie / Jamie>> Because he started talking about like some flat earth stuff. Okay. >> Some neo-nazi. >> Yeah. He's a little like disconnected from reality. >> He is a little disconnected. And um I know I have not talked to his mom recently.

Ellie / Jamie>> Okay. >> But I believe my son has talked to his mom recently. >> Yes. >> He is currently I think in the midst of a divorce. >> I see. >> In the midst of like not living in the home with his his current wife of two kids. So

Mars (USC)>> Got it. >> Okay. Are you pointing at something? >> Are you okay? Okay. Yeah. That's that's super interesting. But he hasn't made it a big deal legally at all. the fact that he's not super close currently with >> I don't think that he would know where

Ellie / Jamieto start really anytime that there was like a court case like I start I started the the custody agreement because I mean at >> at the time that we broke up >> you know we were both completely and

Ellie / Jamietotally entitled to our son >> he could have come at any time and been like hey I'm just going to take my kid and head for the hills he didn't >> thankfully but before it got to that point Mhm.

Ellie / Jamie>> Better safe than sorry, you know. And I mean, I really wasn't trying to take his kid away from him. If anything, I was like, "Hey, like it's your weekend coming up. Oh, I got to work, >> right? I'm not available."

Ellie / Jamie>> He went out to visit >> one of the first summers that we lived in Kansas. And I think, God, he was only like Trude was only like maybe seven, eight years old at the time, so he's

Ellie / Jamiestill kind of a little mini kid. Um he went out to Maryland and from what I understand he spent more time with his grandparents. >> Oh >> he spent time with his father. >> I understand

Ellie / Jamie>> you know but his father also didn't have a car that was legally his and sometime in 2014 2015 I remember he was >> in a really really bad accident like where he flipped the car and I have my suspicions on what happened but of

Ellie / Jamiecourse she's not going to tell me anything honestly >> um about it but yeah. No, just not good. Not good. That's like the the the the

Ellie / Jamie>> precautionary tale is to like know when a guy doesn't show up for you. Know when a guy is not trying to commit to you, don't have a baby with that person.

Ellie / Jamie>> Don't even like give them the time of day. But yeah, no, it it was one of those things like where it was by the time I realized just how it was, it was too late. >> So, how did how did your son handle

Ellie / Jamiethis? because it's got to be really hard on him not to have his biological father. Like how did he handle it? >> So I met my now husband when Jude was like six. >> So >> Oh, so he's been around >> as a father.

Paulina>> That is dad. >> Okay. >> He is dad and >> Oh, got it. >> Like >> but going into his teenage phase, he's kind of going through that identity. Does he yearn for his biological father

Paulinaor he's completely blocked? >> Cuz he knows he's kind of full of [ __ ] Yeah. And did he did he ever resent you for whatever choice you made in that situation? >> No. >> Okay. >> Definitely not. >> Good to know.

Mars (USC)>> Can I ask cuz I know that you mentioned you were basically in charge of arranging the custody agreement cuz your baby daddy didn't >> charge is a really weird way to put it. >> You initiated that process cuz he was >> Yeah. >> Elsewhere.

Mars (USC)>> For sure. >> Can I ask why you didn't push to take full custody knowing his violent history? cuz I know you want him to be >> there was not enough I think >> evidence

Ellie / Jamie>> to really like go and I really didn't want that if anything like I wanted him and still I would love for him to step up and be like >> in your son's life >> an actual like living breathing human

Ellie / Jamiebeing but from what I've seen and I'm not a doctor but he exhibits a lot of like narc traits like I see >> it's it's really more about like like having access to what he wants and if he doesn't have access to what he wants

Ellie / JamieHe loses [ __ ] >> I see. >> Or like, you know, we'll blame other people, blame any other thing. >> Does your husband and your baby daddy have a relationship at all?

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] no. >> Okay. Sorry. >> No. >> Um, question though. You know, people oftentimes in any sort of dispute or conflict or disagreement, there's a

Brian Atlastendency for people to do this thing where they downplay or omit their own culpability in a situation or

Brian Atlaswhat they did wrong in a situation. They exaggerate or fabricate the ways they

Brian Atlasacted rightly. They exaggerate and fabricate the ways the other person on the other side of the conflict acted

Brian Atlaswrongly and they downplay and omit the ways the person on the other side acted rightly. My question to you is then what does he say? What is his position if he

Brian Atlaswere to articulate his position on the conflict? Is he just gonna say, "I 100% agree >> with everything that she says. I'm a

Ellie / Jamiepiece of shit." What would he say? >> Oh, God. No. No. He would say that I um am a horrible person for taking his

Ellie / Jamiechild away. Um that uh none that none of what I'm saying is true. Um, he would

Ellie / Jamieprobably also say something along the lines of um, me being a complete [ __ ] >> And he would be right about that. I am a complete [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> So real. >> Okay. All right. I mean, okay. Uh, well, that's everybody's uh, relationship status. So, uh, you have two kids, two different fathers. How old's your youngest?

Brian Atlas>> Five. >> And that's from your current uh, husband. Is that correct? >> Yes. Okay. And you're married to him. You've been with him for nine years. Yes. >> And that relationship is good. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. That's good. >> So, good.

Brian Atlas>> Good to hear. All right. Uh, so, uh, we're going to move on to we have a react. I want to wait until chair number two is back though to do that.

Brian AtlasSo, let me, uh, do a couple things here. By the way, guys, super chats are [ __ ] They're fooar. Uh, but we do

Brian Atlashave Streamlabs display is 10, read is 100, TTS 200, muta mic 500. Pop a ball of champagne

Brian Atlasa,000 for one Ethereum. We'll pop a ball of crystal $500 bottle of uh champagne there. Although, >> has anyone ever done that? Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, we've had some Ethereum pops. Um, >> let's see. You can hide that. And I want to thank somebody. Uh, no, actually, no. We're good on that. All right, we're going to get into some of the pre-show

Brian Atlasnotes then. Uh, where was it? What was it that I wanted to get into? One sec, guys. We talked about being easy to break up with. Okay. Uh, let's see. For for those of you who

Brian Atlasare single, though, quite a few of you here are single. Um,

Zena>> do any of you have a roster? >> Yes. >> Yes, ma'am. immediately. >> Yes, ma'am. I am the roster queen.

Mars (USC)>> I would say a free spirit and I look forward every day to hearing her speak I look forward every day to hearing her stories of whoever it may be cuz it's always someone new. And I'll be honest,

Mars (USC)it's kind of hard to keep up with, but she keeps my life exciting. >> Yes. >> Did you lost a nail, by the way? >> I Hey, you're not supposed to point that out. I did lose a nail um yesterday. >> RIP. RIP.

Brian Atlas>> RIP for the nail. We find nails like after the show. >> Oh, really? It didn't It didn't happen here. I promise. It happened yesterday. >> Kind of. Yeah. So, uh Okay, now that you're back, we're going to get into our

Brian Atlasfirst thing that we're going to react to. So, guys, on Twitter on X now, I guess >> there was a recent major drama major drama in the right-wing egirl trad

Brian Atlasconservative community. >> Oh, I know what it's going to be. Go ahead. >> I know it's going to be too >> ringgate. So, uh, this conservative influencer girl named Sarah, >> uh, she was dating a guy, got proposed to, and she posted a photo on X.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, yeah. >> Of her ring, which we're going to pull up right now. >> So, it's going to be the first one, >> not the Tik Tok. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> All right. All right. So, the f the first one is from Sarah. So, she says, "I won." That's her in a field of flowers or some [ __ ] with a ring. A ring for her.

Brian AtlasCongrats. Congrats, Sarah. Even though she uh we I guess I there wasn't a beef, but she talked some [ __ ] about me like months ago. Whatever. But I I want to preface this by saying I actually mostly

Brian Atlaspretty much side with her even though we have some like beef from whatever. I don't even care. Months ago. No, I mean >> she talked some [ __ ] a couple months ago on [ __ ] X. even though she's like she's been on the show. So, okay,

Brian Atlas>> not a big thing. But despite that, I just want to say I'm siding with her mostly on this issue. >> She says she's won. I think she's 21 22 engaged, whatever.

Brian Atlas>> Pearl. Pearl. I don't know if you guys know Pearl. She's also been on the show. >> Uh she writes, "Hottest right-wing egirl taken off the market." >> Huh?

Brian Atlas>> Conservative women will always use their marriage and family to build their brand. Now, Nick, scroll down for me if you will. Oh, you're going to make us smaller. Make us smaller, please. To

Brian Atlaswhich Sarah responds, "Once you stop getting ran through by black guys, it could happen to you, too." So, I guess some context here.

Brian AtlasUh Pearl, who I think is in her mid to late 20s, uh she she likes black men. >> She really does. >> Hey, that's fine. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> She likes black guys. >> Mhm. But Sarah made it a point to point that out now. Uh but it continues. It continues. Pull up uh pull it back up. >> Next thing >> next thing. Next thing.

Brian Atlas>> Uh and then this is another We've had we've had all these girls on. We've had we've had her on the show two times. Two two three times. She says, "Why is it so

Brian Atlassmall?" We're not going to focus in too much on that, but I saw it. So, uh kind of throwing a little shade there. Next. Uh, okay. Now, this is the same one. Somebody responds to what Pearl said,

Brian Atlasthough. Somebody respond, not just Sarah responds. Scroll down. >> Uh, oh, Emily. Okay, this is uh she's clarification. >> She's kind of conservative

Brian Atlas>> lady, but uh >> not really kind of whatever. >> Actually, she's she's a [ __ ] She actually talks about it on her page. >> We'll get into that. But the ring size

Brian Atlasuh I'm dead emoji. So she's she's like wow insulting the ring, right? Next one. Next. So Morgan, if you skip to the bottom

Brian Atlasthere, Morgan, who another cons conservative, I guess, uh influencer, you give it up for free hoe. This is in response to Emily saying the ring is small. Might want to sit this actually.

Brian AtlasUh Ellie, you're going to read the girl from the bottom. Morgan's tweet. >> Okay. You give it up for free, ho. Might want to sit this one out. >> And then uh read Emily's.

Ellie / Jamie>> Morgan, your baby daddy abandoned you. You're raising a bastard child, but yet somehow someway you think you're better than me or anyone on this app. You gave it up for free, got left in the dust, and now post rage bait on X to

Ellie / Jamiesupplement the inadequacy of your monthly child support payments. >> What an ex. She just got engaged. That's it.

Ellie / Jamie>> Next. >> Read this one. >> None of that is true, Emily. But unlike you, I don't lie. So, here are some facts. You got fingered in the middle of

Ellie / Jamiea hotel lobby at TPUSA >> event while everybody watched and there were families around. >> Damn. Okay. Next.

Ellie / JamieTo which Pearl Davis responds, >> "Morgan, you are a single mother with a public video admitting you have HPV. You may want to sit this one out, too." >> Read the next one. >> Jeez, >> you suck black dick and probably have

Brian AtlasAIDS. >> Wow. >> I think there's one more next. >> Oh, get better. >> Oh, yeah. She did some video. Can you read um >> caption?

Ellie / Jamie>> How do you guys expect that? Just read the whole thing. That's fine. It's going to be hard to be a trad wife when your man can't even afford a ring. How do you guys expect to have a house, land,

Ellie / Jamiemultiple kids? BFFR. I hope y'all enjoy working. Sorry, I'm MIA in the Hamptons. >> You know what? Can you actually do the rest in a valley girl accent? >> Conservative men need to stop being

Ellie / Jamiebroke and gaslighting women like we don't deserve diamonds and rings. So, you want me to give up my job, my career, my financial independence, push multiple babies out of my body, cook,

Ellie / Jamieclean, be loyal, and a loving feminine wife forever. And y'all can't even afford an ice ring for us. Get the [ __ ] out. Just admit y'all literally don't like women. >> All right, I think there's one more.

Ellie / JamieWell done. Well done, Leonard. >> Uh oh, and then uh so she got Oh, read this in the valley. Women just hate other women and it boils down to

Brian Atlasjealousy. That simple. >> I Is there one more? Tab over. Oh, that's it. Okay. Um, >> what a mess. >> Yeah, quite a mess. That last one

Brian Atlasthough, she was like a couple days before being all catty about the ring. She was saying women are just so jealous of each other. Um, so anyways, >> there's a lot there.

Brian Atlas>> Any reactions? And I think maybe I'll start off by saying this. You know, sometimes we get into conversations on the show and women say something along the lines of, you know, if women ruled the world, there would be no war. >> Look at Yeah. Right.

Mars (USC)>> I don't know about that. >> Not possible at all. >> I think we are more emotional than men. Even though men can be very emotional and I don't think that's anti-feminist of me to say that. I think we have different hormones reality.

Brian Atlas>> So, >> I agree with that 100%. 100%. >> So, what do you guys think? If you think, uh, was the ring too small? >> It's a ring. I know. It's She's engaged. She's already winning.

Kamaya>> The Pearl's not winning anything. >> As someone that just got engaged, I do feel like that's a pretty pretty shitty thing to say. I think the size of the

Kamayaring should never be the the sticking point. I think it's how much love and and effort you put into the relationship. I my my fiance and I, we chose our ring together. However, I

Kamayawould have accepted anything because he's my he's my man. Um, so I don't I can see why she said it because I think it it is kind of um what's the word? >> I think it's the way she staged the picture. Like it's just like her like

Zenahaving your hand in a field of flowers. You're not looking at the field of flowers. You're not looking at the ring itself. You're looking at what's behind the ring. Like if you wanted the focal point to be the ring, I feel like it should have been on a more like >> I think it was pretty much the center of

Zenathe >> Yeah, I mean the photo of her engagement ring. It's there. >> You know, >> if you see a hand in a picture like this, it's I'm looking for the ring. >> I feel like styles though, different tastes. Not every people were saying it

Mars (USC)was small cuz like compared to the field, it was like it was like there was too much smaller carrot ring. That's kind of just an objective truth. That's not an insult. That's just an analysis. You know what I mean? So, we don't know

Mars (USC)what her tastes are. Maybe that's her perfect dream ring. And that's great. >> Well, she's also, I think, pretty young. I think she's early 20s. >> Yeah, she is. So, I assume the boyfriend's probably young.

Paulina>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I >> here's my issue with Sarah. Go ahead. >> My here's my issue with Pearl. I've had an issue with Pearl for a little while. I find her to be highly masculine. She's not feminine a bit. She walks and talks

Paulinalike a football player, you know, and she kind of goes around and she gets her talking points from Kevin Samuels. And I I like I always supported Kevin Samuels and she kind of goes around asking people to rate themselves, but on a scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate

PaulinaPearl? and she's kind of the head of the red female talking point of the red pillow move. So, I don't support her. She kind of doesn't emulate femininity at all. >> I mean, I I put her in the same camp as

Ellie / Jamielike um >> who are those guys? Fresh and fit. >> Like like there there's the red pill space. >> Yeah. >> And then there's the people that LAR in it >> and she's actually like the people that are like living the values, >> right?

Ellie / Jamie>> You know, >> absolutely. Also, I think we spend entirely entirely too much time on the internet and we put entirely too much credence on like what we post on the internet. Like I guess >> building a brand, sure, but like not

Mars (USC)everybody needs a brand. Marriage should be a that should be popular. >> I don't think everybody needs a brand. >> Yeah. >> Well, I have a question cuz I don't know who these people are to be completely honest, but I was very entertained by

Mars (USC)that little discourse. I'm assuming that she is a content creator. I'm assuming lifestyle, maybe political because you mentioned she's conservative. Political. Yeah. Okay. But she posts about her life, right? Like I don't know. If

Mars (USC)you're getting engaged, obviously you're gonna post about it. I I don't know if it was valid for that other woman to be like, "Oh, you're making your marriage a business. This is for your brand." Like, no, this is just something that happened in her life and she's sharing it, right? That's how I see it.

Zenaspace than, >> you know, I feel like I feel like regardless of if she was a content creator or not, she still would have posted a picture of the engagement, right? >> Just like Facebook or whatever. >> I think just the backlash she got for it was totally extreme. I agree. Like it's

Paulinalike fueled by other things. >> Oh, yeah. But it kind of is open. >> It kind of goes to show the issue with the conservative movement. The women are highly feminist, but in such a level where they can't you can't even say they're conserving anything. There's

Paulinanothing traditional about conservative women. most of them. But that's why I left the conservative movement because I noticed this. You know, they're they're willing to do degenerate things, promote where bikini shots look like Only Fans models online,

Mars (USC)>> but they profess to be against it. They're doing the exact same thing. So, I don't support them at all. >> I don't think I've heard that before. No, that's super fair though cuz I from what I understand of

Mars (USC)>> you so far, you just align yourself with traditional values, which is what conservative women preach, but maybe don't necessarily >> consistency is what I appreciate. There's a total lack of consistency with

Brian Atlastheir message and how they dress and what they talk about >> all that. Yeah. >> Yep. I mean, ultimately, look, I think she just posted a picture of her hand in a ring. >> That's it. I don't think it's a big

Brian Atlasdeal. No. >> Probably either ignore it or congratulate her. >> Yeah. Say congratulations. >> I think some I heard some criticisms. They're like, well, why are you like the

Brian Atlascaption I won? Why aren't you posting any pictures with the husband >> of the, you know, why aren't you posting a picture together? Maybe. I don't know if she's public with the guy, though. So, like,

Paulina>> I've seen a picture of them, but she's kind of private about it. She's private. That's a good thing about it. that way because she's not in a safe arena politically. She's very her views are very people it's not a popular view that

Brian Atlasshe carries. So makes sense for sure. >> And uh I mean but Pearl initially her initial criticism wasn't the worst.

Brian AtlasIt was. But then when Emily came in with the ring size thing and then um uh well, I mean, look,

Brian Atlas>> Sarah responded to to Pearl. >> Uh probably not not the most uh uh well, I guess that's on brand for Sarah like with the sucking black dick

Brian Atlascomment. >> Um probably I don't know, a little uh women will escalate [ __ ] a lot. Like y'all will go nuclear. >> Totally.

Brian Atlas>> Like a person can slightly do something wrong and you're just going to like murder them. >> Some things can hit a nerve. Amazing how that works. >> Figuratively. >> Whereas I feel like men are a bit more proportional

Brian Atlas>> in their respons. But they're logical. >> Like the guy complicated. >> Not to say that guys can't go nuclear. Like for and when I when I say go nuclear, this is what I mean. I mean, if

Brian Atlassomebody calls me a stupid doodoo face and then I tell them that their mother never loved them, that's like an escalation. That's a bit, you know, it's a bit,

Brian Atlas>> you know, it's like I would give a proportionate response. Well, you're you're a butt face. That's proportionate, you know, to you're a doo face. Well, you're a butt face. >> But like somebody will just say, oh,

Brian Atlasyou're you're a doodoo face. Well, your mom never left you and I hope you die. Like that is that's the y'all women sometimes, not all the time. >> Sounds like >> go nuclear. You'll you'll escalate that

Zena[ __ ] like crazy. >> We will hit is it bad that it sounded like to me that you just won the conversation. >> It sounds like you just ended it. >> Oh, if you just got nuclear, I

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I don't know. End it. >> Debating is funny. I live for the bit. >> I do live for the bit, too. Yeah. Word. Uh, we're gonna Was there something else? Oh, there's a Oh, really quick. We'll just do somebody's Tik Tok. One of

Brian Atlasyou has a Tik Tok that I saw. Make it full screen. Uh, no audio reminder on that. >> I'm out of storage, but tag me and I'll repost >> like a fake account on Tik Tok. I'm like just scrolling. >> Yeah, it's uh Yes. Ready?

Brian Atlas>> I don't think I have >> Oh gosh. What's this? Oh, >> are we reacting? >> You can just Yeah, sure. >> My best friend. >> Uh, I mean, you can just play it. Uh, my best friend matched with a man on a dating app and we thought it was a

Elizabethparty, but it turns out it's a dating couch to see so he So, can you explain that what happened? >> Okay, so I actually I actually misinterpreted the entire situation. Um, he was a dating coach and I heard couch.

ElizabethSo, I already posted the video and I was like whatever. I was like, I'll just leave it like and I guess he saw it. But you can explain the story cuz I was just like not there at all. I just was like,

ElizabethI'm going just post something. I misinterpreted on my end. I'm the friend. >> Wait, so it was a you matched on a dating app? >> I wasn't me. >> Oh, you did. >> She posted the video. I was the one it was about. >> Okay. So, you matched

Heidi>> with a guy on a dating app >> and he invited you to like a a film shoot or something. >> Like I don't meet up with guys solo for the first time. It's like you need to be in a public space. Like I don't trust you. I don't want to meet up with

Heidisomebody I don't know for the first time. like I need it to be very public or like around like a double date or something just in case like something were to happen. >> So he was like, "Oh, just come to this

Heidiparty." And I was like, "Okay, yeah, sure." He was like, "You can bring a friend." And so I went and it was like, I don't know, 15 girls on a couch and

Heiditwo guys there. And I was like, "Is this a party?" And he was like, "Yeah, it's a party." And I was like, "This doesn't look like a party." and he and like he was like, "Yeah, we're just going to go around and like do ice breakers, get to

Heidiknow everybody." And then he like was asking dating questions and I had I knew like I knew a few girls there and I was like, "Oh, like how do you know him?" And they were like, "Oh, dating apps.

HeidiLike we sleep with him." And I'm like, "Did you like what's the point of this?" Like, so I texted him and I was like, "Hey, what's going on? Like why did you invite me here? Like is this where you

Heidijust try and find a girl for the night? like what's going on? And he basically was like, "Oh, come down to my bedroom and like talk." And I was like, "Okay."

HeidiSo, I like confronted him like outside of the circle. And I was like, "Hey, I know this girl. She has beef with this girl. She did this to my friend. Like, what is going on?"

HeidiAnd um he like kind of explained, "Oh, I'm a dating coach and I just try and figure out situationships with women and try and coach them on their dating skills. I try to coach men on their

Heididating skills and I just like I'm trying to find somebody." And he was like, "You just intrigued me." And like I'm just like, "Bro, like I'm not I'm not the type."

Heidi>> What the stop? >> So what was the message on the dating app? He was like like he tried to get me to hang out multiple times and I was like kept blowing him off and then he

Heidiwas like, "Oh, like I get your uncomfortable like meeting up solo. Like do you just want to come to this party? I'm having this party at this mansion." And I was like, "Okay, yeah, fine." And then that was the idea of the party

Heidiwas to like just find a girl for the night and it was just like really weird. Yes. Was it like all >> It was all girls that he slept with previously and I was like the new girl.

Kamaya>> Was he expecting like a sexual experience of all all of you guys? >> That's crazy. That's crazy. >> Was he expecting like something more between all of the entire group or what weird?

Heidi>> I think he said they do those parties like every week >> and he like has those girls there every week and they're just friends now and it was just very weird cuz one of the girls

Heidilike slept with my roommate >> and my old situationship >> also her situationship. It was just like I don't even want to be here. And he like kept inviting me over afterwards

Heidiand I just didn't go. I was just like sir like take the hint. He still reaches out but I'm just like no >> it's giving colt. >> It was a colt. Like I swear it was a colt cuz we walked in on one of the

Heidimeetings that they had. It was like >> him doing his coaching thing with all these guys there. It was likeundred guys. I can say it's like a PD party. >> You don't have to. You don't have to, but >> but

Ellie / Jamie>> Okay. All right. Well, that >> it's kind of weird, I guess. >> Party. >> It's like a diddy party. >> Yikes. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> Something's going on there. >> Is he wealthy? >> Ellie, can you read this one? >> The hag next to Brian says her son

Ellie / Jamiedoesn't resent her for stealing him from his father. At 16, I didn't either, but trust me, once he learns how women behave, writ large, he will, and you will lose him. Do you have a response to

Ellie / JamieInquisitor's yield? Thank you, man. >> Learn learn how to type it, my guy. >> Yeah. >> Do you have a response to like what he said though or? >> Uh, let's see.

Ellie / JamieI am raising my son to have a mind of his own. So, I mean, if he wants to like later on have like this in-depth relationship with him, I'm not stopping him. >> Okay. >> At all.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, cool. >> Okay, good. >> All right. Uh, we're gonna go into some of the pre-show notes that you guys had sent in before the show. >> Starting with

Brian AtlasPaulina. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Uh, tell us about here. Why don't we start with the disagreements first? You said you disagree with the red pill movement. >> Yeah. >> Encouraging established men to date much younger women in their 20s.

Paulina>> Yes. >> Uh, what's the age gap you have an issue with? >> It's not It's Well, here's the age gap. They're at totally different stages of their lives. So, you know, men when they reach an established point of their

Paulinalife, they really worked hard to get there. They really had to build from the ground up. So, if we're talking about dating women, you know, in their 20s who have nothing to lose, they don't even probably know

Paulinawho they are or care about the guy enough um to value him and or of that. Um she can take him for everything he has. It's actually a liability to his

Paulinawell-being to bring such a young person into his life romantically. And imagine even procreating by that point. She has more of an incentive to take everything from him. So I think with myself, for

Paulinaexample, in my 20s, I didn't really know who I was. That's why my relationships at the time didn't work out because I was figuring myself out. But I couldn't imagine getting married and bringing kids into

Paulinathe situation. It I was a liability at the time. So although in my 20s I was more let's just say because it's true you're more attractive more physically

Paulinafit in your 20s. So physically I had more of an appeal to a guy but emotionally I was not able to give him what he wants and to fulfill his needs. In my 30s I'm not as attractive as I was

Paulinain my 20s but my mind's in a different place completely different place. What needs do men have that you can fulfill in your 30s but not >> tradition is a very simple blanket term but >> so you were not I thought you said you

Paulinawere always >> I was tra I would say but emotionally speaking I had issues you know so I wasn't able to fulfill the duties of tradition as opposed to now I don't have those issues >> what issues did you have

Paulina>> I just had like depression I had identity situation I didn't know what my purpose was all these different things but little did I know my purpose is very simple you know, in my in my mind, what my purpose would be and what I want is to be married and have kids because that's

Paulinamy legacy. >> That's all that matters, you know. So, that's what I look to fulfill and I'm ready to fulfill that and to be an asset, not a liability. >> Okay, I see. Um, but assuming like if it is the case that for some men,

Paulina>> yeah, >> they have this preference for dating younger women, what I guess what is your >> objection there because you say you disagree with that. they can whatever they prefer they can they can do they can fulfill that on their own. It's not

Paulinanecessarily against what's an innate preference. >> Um but just something for them to think about. It could be a liability for their well-being. That's what that's my purpose. That's what I'm saying. But I can't you can't stop them to do what

Brian Atlasthey want to do. >> So you're saying well you're saying a young woman can be more of a liability than an >> Oh yeah. >> older woman. >> Oh yeah. There's there's here's the

Paulinathing. It's the mindset makes a difference. My mind in my 20s is nowhere compared to now. Okay, >> I'm able to I I I understand my place and I want to fulfill that. But in my

Paulina20s, I could not actually articulate that. >> So, at the time I could take somebody for everything they have. I'm not saying I would do that personally, but it's possible, you know, >> but you could still take somebody for everything they have.

Paulina>> It's true. It's true, >> right? But I just think again it's just more of a a sketchy situation with younger women. >> And also biologically our prefrontal

Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next