Tradthot E-GIRL DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #255

Date: 2025-08-11

Duration: 8h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJamie (Teacher)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Zena(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ellie / Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kamaya(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Paulina(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mars (USC)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elizabeth(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentHeidi reveals situationship partner is a male sex worker

Key MomentRinggate e-girl drama: Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan controversy

Key MomentHeidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

OtherPaulina leaves the show at ~472 min

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Heidi (situationship with male sex worker) and Jamie (DV survivor).

Heidi Male Sex Worker Reveal

Heidi's situationship partner is a male sex worker.

Ringgate E-Girl Drama

Sarah engagement ring / Pearl Davis / Emily / Morgan Twitter drama react.

Farting in Relationships

Brian's strong anti-farting stance in relationships.

Equal Partnership vs Providing

Heidi vs Brian: 'Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM?'

Paper Abortion Debate

Legal paternal surrender / male reproductive rights debate.

Body Count Round

Heidi 1, Elizabeth 2, Kamaya 5, Mars under 25, Ellie 0, Zena 10-25, Jamie 8.

Transcript

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Heidiwe're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead. >> Hi, I'm Heidi. I am 25. I'm from I'm

Heidifrom Pennsylvania. I live in LA now. and I do marketing for Tik Tok shop and I also do content creation fashion and beauty focused and I have two degrees in

Heidicollege. So yeah. >> Uh what degrees do you have? >> I have a bachelor's of arts in music business and then a bachelor's of science in communications PR and social media. >> Which university? The same one for both?

Heidi>> No, Monmouth University for music business and then Wilmington University for communications PR and social media. >> All right. Very cool. Welcome. What about you? >> My name is Paulina. I'm 33. I live in LA

Paulinaand my highest education is just a few years of college. >> All right. Uh, an occupation? >> Oh, personal assistant. >> Oh, personal assistant. Okay. And you're from LA? >> I'm from LA. Born and raised in LA.

Paulina>> Okay. Yeah. And you said education was >> few years of college. That's all I did. >> What What were you studying? I mean, >> I I couldn't figure it out. I wasn't a fan of the education. I was thinking veterinary medicine. Then I went It was

Paulinajust all a mess. I even went into art. Everything was politicized. So, I got out of college. Was a mess. >> All right. You got your associates or >> No, no degree. >> Just dropped. >> Highest degree would high school education otherwise. Highest. Yeah.

Elizabeth>> All right. What about you? >> Hi, I'm Elizabeth. I'm 21 years old. I'm from Chicago and I live in LA now. I'm a live stream host for Tik Tok Shop. So, I

Elizabethsell like a product, you know, I work with an agency and I also dance on the side. And my highest degree I didn't finish. I was going to um I guess high

Elizabethschool. I dropped out. >> Gotcha. And you said you're 23, right? >> 21. I'm 22. Oh my gosh. I just turned 22. >> Happy birthday. >> And when you say you're a dancer, you're not a stripper.

Elizabeth>> No, I do professional. >> Okay. Actual dance. >> Uh ballet or anything like that or >> I used to do ballet? I'm like mainly jazz funk, hip-hop, contemporary, freestyle. All right. Very cool. Um,

Brian Atlas>> how tall are you, by the way? >> 5'9. >> All right. Let's get rid of her seat booster. She doesn't need >> Yeah. Do I need a seat? That's what I feel. I felt like I was a boosted a little bit. >> All right. She's like dwarf You're dwarfing the two girls next to you. Yeah. Just take

Brian Atlas>> So, what am I doing? >> Oh, just uh >> lift up. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I had I literally had a booster. That's too funny. >> Yeah. Scoot into the table. I'm just going to do a couple quick adjustments. >> Actually, that feels a lot better. Can >> I have you just tilt your microphone down for me?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. you. So, you notice everything. >> You really do. >> And then what I'm also gonna do, I should have done this before we went live. I just need to do a couple adjustments here. Can I have you just scoot to your right that way a little bit? >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> And then move the mic along along with you a little bit. Uh scoot it. Uh scoot the mic. Scoot the mic. >> Yeah, that works. That's good for now. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. All right.

Mars (USC)What about you? >> Hi, my name is Mars. I'm 20 years old. I am a digital content creator. I do short form content. I have my own YouTube channel. I have my own podcast. I model.

Mars (USC)I act. I make music. And aside from that, I am studying business administration and artificial intelligence at the University of Southern California. Phyon >> USC. >> Yes. >> Okay. That's a private school, right?

Mars (USC)>> It is a private school. >> What's the tuition for it? >> It's disgusting. It's like $100,000 a year, I believe. But I have a full ride. >> You have a scholarship? >> I do. I'm a trusty scholar. I have a full merit scholarship to USC. What's

Mars (USC)that? >> They pay for all of my tuition and it's because of my merit, which is academics, leadership, service, etc. >> What is the merit though?

Mars (USC)>> It's not needbased aid. Like, it's not financial aid. It's just I did really good in high school in terms of GPA, extracurriculars, my essays. That's what merit is. Merit encompasses your leadership, your academic achievements,

Mars (USC)and your service. >> So, your GPA was good. >> Mhm. >> What was your GPA? In high school, we only did weighted GPA in my high school. I grew up in DC. I now live in LA. It was a 4.45

Mars (USC)GPA. Um, I don't know what my unweighted GPA was, though. That was my weighted GPA. >> Gotcha. And, uh, you're studying what again? >> I'm studying business administration and artificial intelligence applications. >> Gotcha. And you said you're originally from DC.

Ellie / Jamie>> I am. >> Gotcha. Grew up there. >> Yes. Okay. Born and raised. >> All right. What about you? >> Hi, my name is Ellie. I'm 18 years old and tomorrow I start my first day of senior year in high school. >> Good for you. >> Enjoy it. >> She's a super senior. >> Great time.

Ellie / Jamie>> Nice. >> Super senior. >> I'm not a super senior. It's re it's a reasonable age, you guys. >> And uh you do uh you have a job or anything?

Zena>> No, I'm completely unemployed. >> Unemployed. Okay. And um and you're from where again? >> San Diego. >> San Diego. Okay. What about you? >> Hi, my name is Zena. I am 21 years old

Zenaand I am a content creator and I currently go to the American Musical and Dramatic Academy which is a performing arts college. I my major is musical theater. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

Zena>> And are you focusing anything specific with that? >> Um well that is specific like my school only has four majors so it's only acting film acting for camera musical theater

Zenaand dance. >> But there's like crew. So, are you in doing the crew component or you're you're on stage >> because So, well, no, because it's musical theater, you learn all of it. >> Like like you don't just learn

Zena>> Well, there's like the lighting people. >> Well Well, yeah. That's why there's different majors like acting for camera, acting, musical theater. Like when I choose my major to be musical theater, I don't just learn on the stage. I also

Zenalearn like background stuff, light, writing my own script, writing my own song. Like all of it goes into it. >> Okay. So, you're a theater kid? >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> And uh you're are you more of a singer, more of an actor? All of the above? >> I'm all of them. >> All of the above? >> Yes. >> Are you currently in a any sort of plays currently or anything?

Zena>> No, not currently. >> Okay. What's your favorite musical? >> My favorite musical is called Epic. It's a story based on the Odyssey. If you guys like Greek mythology, it's a really good one.

Kamaya>> All right. And you're from LA? >> Yes, I'm from Hollywood. What about you? >> Uh, hi, my name is Kamaya. I'm 25. I'm currently a PA student, physician

Kamayaassistant student at West Coast University. Um, and I do not work right now because >> uh where you from originally? >> I'm from uh Oceanside, but I uh now live in Orange County, South Orange County.

Brian Atlas>> Got it. Okay. What about you? >> Bet. Hello. Uh my name's Jamie. >> Did you just say Bet? >> I did. >> How old are you? >> Oh my god. >> You're supposed to ask a woman her age. Well, you're about to say it, so Okay. Well, yeah, tell us your intro. Tell

Ellie / JamieWhat's the intro here? >> Uh, hi, I'm Jamie. I am 36 years young. Uh, I'm from Baltimore, Maryland, but I currently reside >> to say bet. I'm sorry. >> I'm 36. Trust me, it's too old. I don't

Ellie / Jamiesay bet. >> Yeah, we're the same age. Can't say. >> I have a teenage son. I can say bet. >> That might make it worse. I don't know. >> It does. It does. >> So, uh, where you from? Uh, I'm from

Brian AtlasBaltimore, but I >> can I also I need your stress ball, too. Just um >> Yeah, >> she she has a stress ball here. I'm very stressed. >> I'm I'm going to steal your stress ball from the time to time. Uh, so you're from Baltimore?

Ellie / Jamie>> I'm from Baltimore, >> Maryland. Isn't it dangerous? >> It is pretty dangerous. Yeah. Well, it depends on like whether or not you're in the gentrified area or if you're in the ungentrified area. >> Is that where The Wire was based? >> Yeah, >> The Wire. You know the show?

Ellie / Jamie>> Yeah. Okay. >> Of course, I know the show. I'm from Baltimore. >> Yikes. >> Um, yeah. Um, >> occupation, >> uh, I am a substitute Montasuri teacher. >> What's Monasuri for the people that

Ellie / Jamiedon't know? >> It is a it's a teaching style. You can either go to public education. You can be part of, you know, Waldorf education. You can be part of Monasuri, but it

Ellie / Jamiebasically it it's it's a way in which you teach kids from like tiny tiny all the way up until like graduation age. >> Yeah. What what is the way though? What's the way?

Ellie / Jamie>> Um, so essentially monori is based around certain principles like care for the self, care for the environment. Um, care for gosh, what's the other one? I'm terrible. I'm only a sub. I'm only there

Ellie / Jamielike maybe a couple days a week. Just care for the self. Uh, care for the environment. And yeah, one more. Basically, it it gets your kids um to

Ellie / Jamielearn how to be independent starting from like a young age. like we have kids as young as like maybe 10 weeks in the

Ellie / Jamieschool. Um so it places a uh a big emphasis on independence and like finding what your jam is and then just like learning everything that you can

Ellie / Jamieabout it. So >> all right, cool. All right, that's uh and oh uh education. >> Uh I'm a college dropout. I did go to school for radio, but it was not like a four-year institution.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, got it. All right. Uh, welcome everybody. We're going to go around the table once more. What's everybody's relationship status? Uh, longest relationship you've been in. And if you're single, how long have you been single? Go ahead.

Heidi>> I am single. I've never been in a relationship. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. >> You're 25, right? >> Yes. >> Uh, longest period of time you've dated somebody? >> Like a situationship?

Heidi>> Yeah, sure. >> I would say like two years. That's >> a little a little closer to the mic. You said two years. Two years. Yeah. >> Was it on again, off again? >> Uh, only went no contact once, but

Brian Atlas>> you >> It's like consist >> no contact. Both of you went no contact or one of you did? >> Both. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Why? >> Temporarily. >> Yeah. >> Mutual no contact.

Heidi>> And he broke no contact. >> Okay. Who initiated? >> He did. >> Break. >> Well, it was like random. It was like very random. I didn't know what that was.

Heidi>> Like three months maybe during Mercury retrograde >> word >> came back during Mercury retrograde. >> How long ago was that? >> December. >> So the last time you saw him was in

Brian AtlasDecember. >> No, I saw him like last week. >> Oh, the the break was in December. >> Yes. Yes. >> So you saw him last week? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> And you've known him total for two years where you been? I've known him for like seven. >> Just get married already. >> Uh, >> you've known him for seven, but you've

Heidionly been what for two years? >> Like talking a situationship for two years. >> Did you hook up with him seven years ago? >> No. >> Six years ago? >> No. Five? >> Two years? Maybe. Okay.

Heidi>> I hooked up with him a year ago, but we started like flirting two years ago. I was a virgin two years ago. H. >> So, he's the only guy you've been with? >> Yes.

Heidi>> Like once? >> What? Wait, what do you mean once? >> Like he took my V-card and that was about it. >> H >> They're the worst. >> Hold on. >> The worst. >> You had sex only one time. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Ever. >> But >> yes. >> You've been in a situationship with him for two years. You had sex with him a year ago.

Brian AtlasYou still continue to see him. You already lost your virginity to him, but now you don't have sex with him anymore. >> No, he has to earn it.

Zena>> So like >> So like, wait, so what do you guys >> Bro, you're [ __ ] lying. Your friends in a minute. >> She's I've been around. >> I have a question. So what do you guys

Zenado when you hang out? like >> like what makes it a situationship? >> Like we do other things, but I'm not like having sex with him. >> Okay. >> I'm just sorry if that was an intrusive question.

Ellie / Jamie>> No, it's okay. >> Okay. But why haven't you made it official? Like that sounds like dating. >> Because he's a [ __ ] >> Oh, okay. Well, then >> why are you still talking to this guy? >> Cuz he's a [ __ ] >> Like it's it's just like a complicated

Heidisituation. >> No better dick exists, though. Like >> Well, she's only had one. I mean, >> okay. All right. So, like >> there was like we were best friends. So, it was like >> you're a little bit more than besties.

HeidiB. >> Well, now, but like before it was like strictly platonic and then we both moved out here and then it like got complicated. >> Do you think he's watching right now? >> No. >> Need splits. Um, >> definitely not.

Brian Atlas>> I'm frustrated for you. I'm frustrated for you. >> Well, what what's how are you frustrated and why you frustrated? Because like y'all are besties. Why is he such a

Heidi[ __ ] then? >> Cuz he has commitment issues and uh he's also a sex worker. So that's how he makes his money. >> Huh?

Heidi>> So I'm not going to stop him from getting his bag, especially in this economy. >> Is there anything that he could do other than sex work, though? >> Uh >> what? >> I mean, yeah, but like he I'm I'm so

Brian Atlasconfused. It goes it's getting deeper. Like it's all true though. >> Is that an actual question? Is there anything else he could do? Like are you actually you care that much? I don't know. >> I personally don't care how somebody

Heidigets their >> I wasn't talking to you. Um what he does only fans then? >> Yes. >> How long has he been doing that? >> Three years. Four years. >> How old is he?

Heidi>> 25. >> Okay. So, what does he do on OAF? >> I don't look at it. I'm not a subscriber, so I wouldn't No, I don't ask about it. That's none of my

Brian Atlasbusiness. >> Open the doors, please. Um,

Brian Atlasso he's hooking up with other women. >> Yeah. >> Not just for work, but also just for fun, like civilians.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, yeah, probably. Yeah. Okay. And you're upset that he won't commit to you or what?

Heidi>> I'm not upset about it. I just know what the situation is and that's okay. I know he's not looking for commitment right now and that's fine.

Heidi>> Okay. What are you looking for? >> I'm just trying to be successful in LA. So, I'm not really too worried about a relationship status. Like, of course, I want to find a partner, but I'm more

Heidiworried about like becoming successful, getting money, and like living my life, being happy. Like, a relationship doesn't contribute to that. Like, it

Brian Atlascan, but like it's not all I'm focused on. >> Um, wait. And so, what I'm just Why are you with him? I guess I'm just confused. >> Well, I'm not going to break a friendship over something like that.

HeidiLike, we're still friends at the end of the day. Like if we're a situationship like one day and like besties the next day. It's like we're not always like in that situationship stage. I guess it's

Brian Atlaskind of like best friends one day and then like other times it's like oh we're flirting today. Like >> the lines are >> um I guess >> how did the whole like losing your

Heidivirginity thing was that planned? Was it a spontaneous thing? Uh, it was kind of spontaneous, but like I was sleeping over at his house like for 10 months

Heidibefore I let him take it. Um, >> but you were like living with him? >> No, no, no, no. I would just go over and sleep over. >> Seriously, >> for 10 months? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Real though? >> Put your name on the lease. >> You belong. >> And I guess was alcohol involved or were you guys both sober?

HeidiUh, I don't really drink. Okay. At all. He drinks, but like alcohol wasn't really a factor. >> Uh, is there any reason you guys haven't

Heidihooked up again? >> Because I won't let him. >> Oh, okay. >> So, has he asked? >> Yeah, of course. >> Like, he'll come sleep over and like

Heidithat's that. Like I'm not going to let >> you guys do other things like >> Yeah. But like I won't let him sleep with me again. >> So you guys what? Third base. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So you're

Paulina>> uh you s the D. >> Yes. Sure. Yeah. >> But no P in the D. >> No, it's true. >> Okay. Um what do they call that? There's

Paulinaa term for that. >> That explained it plenty. I >> think it's like a a [ __ ] Betty or something. >> What?

Brian Atlas>> Like a girl who just >> It's just BJ's I guess >> blow his >> That's news to me.

Heidi>> Okay. Um though, it's just kind of I mean it's just a little confusing. I guess >> it is confusing and it's not like I'm loyal to him if he's not going to be

Paulinaloyal to me. So, it's like I still keep my options open, but I just don't sleep with people in general. >> Okay. >> Was he in sex work when you guys met? Did you Was he always in sex work?

Heidi>> No, he was always in social media and got into sex work after like I've known him for two years. Gotcha. >> And yeah, it was like when Only Fans started becoming bigger and more

SPEAKER_02normalized. Mhm. >> Just capitalizing on it. Just capitalizing on it. >> Chuching. >> Everyone is >> Everybody has a price. >> No. So, I don't know if I missed this, but do you hook up with other people?

Heidi>> Uh, or like >> I don't have the sword with other people. >> So, >> but like a hookup. Yeah. But like not like the sword.

Ellie / Jamie>> It's It I I don't know. Like I don't know. Stuck in the D. >> Foreplay but no sex. Yeah, too. Cuz I don't want to add a body. That's >> It kind of does add a body, does it not? >> I mean, if you

Paulina>> Who cares, though? >> You know, it kind of does. >> I don't think it adds a body.

Ellie / Jamie>> Somewhere in there. >> It's a separate category. >> But if I'm like make out with somebody at a party, are you adding them to your body count? No. >> Maybe a separate body count. I feel like you're just making out. But I feel like

Ellie / Jamiethe the minute that genitalia hits like a crossover zone, like even if like, >> you know, they're just rubbing it on the, you know, >> um that would you add that to your body count. Like if you're like

Mars (USC)>> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> People define sex very differently in this day and age. And I'm I'm bisexual, so you know, I don't have penetrative sex with a penis with a girl, you know,

Mars (USC)but I still count my actions with a girl as sex. So, I don't know. I think you can define it in your own ways, but I probably define sex a little bit differently than you do. >> Yeah. No, definitely. That's I don't

Ellie / Jamieknow. It >> if it goes in a hole, I think it's a body. That's what I say. It's pretty simple. >> Yeah. >> It's not that complicated. >> You got your options. I mean, even even the LDS folk try and skirt like that by

Ellie / Jamiethe whole like soaking thing, but it's like, you know, if if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. >> Thank you, Offensive Truths, for the gifted 50. Um, you said you don't want

Brian Atlasto add a body, but you already have said body. You already slept with him. >> She asked if I wanted like if I was hooking up with other people. >> Oh, with other guys. Okay, >> which you're not. I'm not having the

Heidisword with other people. No. >> But you're sing the D with other people. >> Not necessarily, but like it's not like I'm not seeing other people. Like I it's not like I won't go on a date with another person or like I still have my

Brian Atlasoptions very open. >> Like I'm not just exclusive with him. >> All right. Uh interesting situation you've found yourself in. You've been hanging out with him for two years, but

Brian Atlasit's non-exclusive. You lost your virginity to him, but you only had sex once. You don't continue to have sex with him. He's a sex worker and

Brian Atlashe [ __ ] other women for business and pleasure. >> Is that a fair summary of your >> Yeah. >> Okay. And you date other people, too, but you >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> have varying degrees of foreplay with them, but not full-blown. You don't even s the D. >> You only s the D. the guy who [ __ ] other women. Do I have that correct? >> Kind of. Yeah. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So, like a new guy comes into the picture, you, you know, maybe, you know, make out a little bit, dry hump, whatever. >> Little handy. >> But you reserve the the the singing, the

PaulinaD for the man who has his penis in other women. Is that a fair characterization? >> Yeah. Okay. >> What about you? >> All right. Tough act to follow. Tough act. >> Okay. There's Yeah, there's a lot going

Paulinaon. Um, my last relationship was seven years ago. Um, um, it lasted a few years. >> Are you single? >> I'm single now. >> Okay. >> Um, dating for marriage. >> You said single for a few years. >> Seven years. >> Seven years.

Paulina>> Seven years. I was with Yeah. >> Well, you've been dating people though. >> No, I haven't. I'm actually just getting into I've dated a couple people, but >> No relationships. >> No relationships in seven years. >> So, you were divorced seven years ago? >> Not even married.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, not even married. >> I'm dating for marriage now. >> Dating for marriage now? >> Yeah. Okay. But you were in your longest relationship seven years ago. >> Seven years ago. It lasted a few years. >> Three years. Four years. >> Four. No. No. A few years. >> Kids?

Brian Atlas>> No kids. >> Three. Three years. >> No, it lasted a couple years. That relationship. >> How many years? >> I'm sorry. Seven years ago, that relationship. >> How? It lasted a few years. Few years

Brian Atlasequal what? >> Two years. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh, two years. Do you have kids? >> No kids. >> No kids. Okay. >> You've been single for 7 years. So,

Brian Atlas>> it's you single since like 25, 26. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you're 33 now. >> Yeah. >> Single for seven years. >> Yeah. >> You've been celibate for seven years. >> Celibate. >> You've been celibate for seven years. >> Seven years. Yeah.

Paulina>> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. I have no desire to s the D. >> Absolutely. >> No singing the D. >> Absolutely not. I don't do degeneracy that way. Absolutely not.

Brian Atlas>> Don't do degeneracy that way. No. >> No. Gloved handy. >> Absolutely not. >> She's classy. She's >> Okay. Um, you said you have gone on a couple dates though. >> I have

Paulina>> uh second dates, third dates, or >> I've had I've had second and third dates. Here, try to straighten up if you >> I've had second and third dates, but the value system that we we didn't share values,

Paulina>> fundamental values, and I can find that out within a couple dates, you know? So, I'm like, is this the guy I want to spend my life with? >> Sure. >> And procreate with no. It's not. >> What are the fundamental values that you're looking for?

Paulina>> Very traditional. Very traditional guy. God-fearing, strong, masculine, courageous. >> Okay. >> Courage is very attractive. >> You're religious. Courage is attractive. >> Very attractive. >> Very attractive. Oh yeah. >> When you say courageous, what does that mean? >> Chivalry.

Paulina>> Chivalry. >> Chivalry is super attractive. It's it's kind of a dying art form. I'm noticing with guys. >> Chivalry. Okay. >> It's, you know, um, romance. I mean, I'm I like romance softness. You know, I'm

Paulinavery good at reciprocating communication, but the dating uh world is a mess right now. The sexual marketplace is an absolute disaster. Um, but my my values are very traditional, I'd say. as traditional as I can make it at this

Paulinapoint. >> Have they always been? >> Actually, they always have been instinctively. They always have been. I kind of have a moral compass. What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong. Since teenage, I've always wanted

Paulinamarriage, kids. That's my my path. That's always been my desire. Yeah. >> Okay. Gotcha. Um, let's see. >> So, courage. You're looking for courage.

PaulinaYou're looking for chivalry. >> Traditional, God. So you're Christian. >> God fairing is absolutely I'm Orthodox Christian. I'm actually a catechuman in the Orthodox church. >> Oh, okay. >> So I'm on my in the process of getting baptized. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> How long have you been an Orthodox

PaulinaChristian? >> Actually, I've been a few years. I've been going to this particular Orthodox church. And the good thing about it is it's pre-denominational. Um, so it's very ancient. It stays true

Paulinato scripture. It's not like degenerate uh women on the podium, gay pride events in church, none of that. I'm not I don't do follow that. >> Okay. >> So, >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> All right.

Elizabeth>> I like it. I like a a hierarchy that's very traditional and I know my place in that. >> Sure. All right. What about you? >> Um my last relationship was two years

Elizabethago. Two, three years ago. Yeah. Somewhere around there. Um lasted for like a year and I'm currently single but like in a complicated situationship.

Elizabeth>> Okay. Uh what what do you mean what's complicated about it? Um, we were talking for six months, five, six months and we went into no contact last week

Brian Atlasand then he messaged me yesterday. >> So, you were boyfriend girlfriend for 5 to 6 months or was it just casual? >> Exclusive. But casual exclusive >> like you know we were both loyal to each

Elizabethother. I believe that he was loyal to me. I was loyal to him like extremely. Um but I don't think that we were seeing other people but like our path are just very busy.

Elizabeth>> Okay. And why did it go no contact? >> Um it was kind of like I crashed out on him on accident just

Elizabeth>> go ahead tell us. I crashed out on him just because of like a situation. Um like he needed to show up to something and he didn't. And um it was just more

Elizabethso like he's really busy, I'm really busy. So, but we both had like that mutual thing like if that makes sense. >> So wait, what? He he like no showed on

Elizabethyou. What do you mean? >> Yeah. like I had a showcase for dance and he said that like the morning like we were fine and then at like the show time at like 10:30 it was like it seemed

Elizabethlike he was coming but like his message was like also like confusing and so I tried to call him didn't answer and then 11:45 hit around and I was like

Elizabethwhere did you go and he's like I'm going home and so like we I had an argument with him and I hung up on him and then next day >> wait he said He's going home. >> Yeah. >> So, he was there. >> No, he was he was in LA. Like he cuz he

Elizabethlives in OC. >> So, he was in LA for work and he just decided not to show up. >> That's what he said. >> That's pretty much what happened. Yeah. >> And it was at 10:00 a.m. >> 10:30 p.m. >> 10:30 p.m.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> It was a What's a showcase >> like for dance? >> You like a performance? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's probably pretty valid to

Elizabethjust not show up to that. Yeah, I guess >> I I mean like I mean like >> I mean to me I have two sides to it

Elizabethwhere it's like I get it because he's been working since 8:00 a.m. and it's in LA. He has to go back to OC. So I understood that cuz the showcase doesn't end until like 200 a.m. And but the

Elizabeththing is that I was also like I'm there for you for your work stuff, you know. And I think >> what does he do for work? I don't want to say he he work he works with cars. He has he has stuff with cars.

Elizabeth>> So you go to his car shows? >> No, he doesn't do anything revolving that. He sells cars, does stuff like revolving business. >> Did he text you something along the lines of, "Hey, I'm really tired. I'm

Elizabethnot going to be able to make it or >> at like 10 11:00." And it was he didn't say that he it was like kind of confusing because it was like he was hinting that he could come and then it

Elizabethwas like, "Yeah, I have to head back to my car." And then um then it was like all of a sudden never heard anything and I was just like okay. Like I was waiting around and hoping that he would still show up. >> Wait, but did he say something along the

Elizabethlines of >> hey I'm really tired. I'm not going to make it or >> No, it was it was more so like I was there was still hope that he would have like he wouldn't say no that he wasn't

Elizabethcoming until like I he was like I probably won't be able to make it all this stuff and I was like mad because I would have rather have known. >> Wait, what time did the show start? >> 11:00 p.m. Like 11.

Brian Atlas>> What time did he text you that he said that? >> 11 uh 10:30 10:45. So before the show started, he did tell you. >> He said that I he said I still have to head over to my car. And I was like,

Elizabeth"Okay." >> But when did he You said that. He said, "Hey, I'm not coming." Or something along those lines. >> He said that after the show once the show was already starting like at that time like within that time period like that's when he said that.

Brian Atlas>> What? Like so round >> he was like I probably won't be able to make it >> and I was giving the hope that he will still probably show up. So, he said, "I'm probably not going to be able to make it."

Elizabeth>> Yes. >> I don't see the issue here. >> The thing is that I actually don't see the issue. >> But why tell me at the beginning of the show, right when the show is about to start instead of telling me hours before? Cuz the thing is that he was telling me all these times that he was,

Brian Atlas"Yeah, I'm going to come. I'm coming. I'm going to make sure I come." All this stuff. >> Was your performance contingent upon his being there? >> What do you mean? >> Like he's not part of the show, right? No, >> he's just an audience member sitting

Elizabeththere for 4 hours while you do like interpretive dance or whatever. >> The thing with this with this showcase, it's like this is where agencies are. This is where like Janet Jackson started. This is where a lot of people started and get signed and get booked

Elizabethfor things. Everyone gets booked at these types of showcases. And so him being there was like, well, him being there would have been like a great part of it cuz I don't invite anybody to my dance stuff. Like nobody. If I invite

Elizabethyou to my dance stuff, like that's like my world. you know, so like when you don't show up for me in that way, it's actually kind of hurtful because that's what I want to do for my career. >> But I mean,

Brian Atlashim being there wouldn't have an impact on your career like it'd be supportive. >> It's more support. I was looking for more support. >> And how long you've been with him for 5 to 6 months? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And he was working all day. >> Yeah. >> It's a tricky situation. I understand both sides, but I understand his side, too. So do I. Uh, he probably could have given you more heads up. That's what I was looking for. >> He texted you. He said, "Hey, I'm tired.

HeidiI'm not going to make it." >> But he was in town. Like, it was like he was in town for work and could have just driven like 10 minutes to the showcase, >> bro. Guy, >> that's like a 12-hour day. It's a lot. >> He's straight, right? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Going to a dance recital, I know that's not what it is, but >> going to a dance recital is not number What day was it? A Friday or Saturday? >> It was a Thursday. >> Thursday. And he's a hardworking guy. Yeah. >> Owns his own business >> pretty much. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, yeah, that's what >> he was working all day. >> Yeah. Every day he has like 12 hour days. >> So, it's not the number one priority for a straight male to go to his girlfriend's dance recital for 3 hours

Brian Atlasafter he just busted his ass all day. I will tell you though, he could have given you a bit more heads up, but beyond that, >> man, this guy's if he's willing to the fact he was willing to initially do it. Has he done it before? Has he gone to

Elizabethyour Danship before? That was the only That was the only one that I've cuz we don't really perform like that. We mainly do like videos like it's very rare and if we do something it's out of state. >> And so it's you said it's 3 to 4 hours long. How long?

Elizabeth>> Well, when we go on we just like end up leaving right after and go do something else or maybe stick around. But like we went on at like 11:45 like we were like show there's only we close the first act.

Brian Atlas>> It was kind of set up for failure I think. You should probably but he's been at work all day. That a straight Hold on. That a straight man that a straight man was even considering

Zenagoing to a dance recital. >> What does him being straight have to do with guys go to this though? Like girlfriend as somebody who goes to school for it. As somebody who goes to school for it, there's a lot of straight

Zenaguys there. And I'm just saying I understand I think I think this is I think I think I see >> to dance >> I see where you're coming from because it's not the fact that he couldn't make it. It's the vulnerability of knowing

Zenathat you don't invite people to it. And then as somebody who's in like who like does dance showcases and stuff, I completely understand that and I get where you're coming from cuz of my I understand that you had a long day. But it's mostly just the fact of like, "Hey,

Zenagive me notice." Like like like if I support you and this is my first time inviting you to my show, I feel like if you're 10 minutes away, you can at least like pop in like sit in your car for a

Zenacouple minutes and like decompress. Like I feel like I like if you're pushing through to support him in his things. It's the fact that you want him to support you and he didn't do that when he was supposed to show up. >> I think you took that personal and you

Paulinahad a few hours of stress because you didn't hear from him. So that those two hours of stress you took very personal because he could have let you know a few hours in advance which I agree with. Yeah. But I understand that that's a long day. >> The whole day was already stressful.

ElizabethLike again like this is where you get booked. Like I'm like okay I need to like put my and I had a sprained knee so this was like my first like time back on stage in like 6 months like you know. So it was more so like okay this is super

Elizabethimportant. You know, I have to deal with tech all day. Like, you know how it is. Like tech rehearsals and the run through, but then the actual show and you're sitting there for like 6, eight hours just before the show. >> Question for you.

Kamaya>> When did you tell him about the event? A month ago is what I wanted to know. >> Just scoot here. Scoot your mic to the left. Scoot it to the left. >> All right. Go ahead and ask your question, please. >> Um, how how long in advance do you tell

Paulinahim that you're having your >> July 1st? >> Okay. Yeah, that's um so far in advance. That's a lot. a month in advance. >> And do you bring a lot of people in your inner world very often? No. >> So that's what you also took super personal.

Elizabeth>> I don't bring my family like my family like my mom, but she is always working to not you know >> and he was your person to be there. So I get it. I totally get that. >> Wait, hold on. And you said he lived in a different area. >> He was an OC. Like he

Elizabeth>> So what's the distance between you two? >> Um depends. I mean like we were going back and forth with each other. So like it could be like 45 minutes at like at night or like during the like we don't really I mean during the day it could be like an hour and a half 2 hours.

Elizabeth>> How often would you guys see each other? >> Like maybe once to twice a week. We got lucky if we saw each other twice a week. >> I call that long distance at this point. That's a long >> which was healthy. It was really healthy cuz the time that we spent together like

Elizabeth>> it it it was like energetically like crazy, you know? >> Can't miss them if they don't leave. just like it just feels so much better instead of seeing a person every freaking day. >> Like I

Heidi>> Well, at least you guys kind of have space. It's okay to have some space. >> I think it's healthy. >> But I also think she was upset because when he did show up, like when he would see her, it was just like, "Oh, and you couldn't show up for that." It was kind

Heidiof just like as a friend, it was like, "Bro, like you had one job? Like you couldn't just show up for that one thing, but you come like during these times." It was just like >> everything's always kind of a test and

Paulinasometimes a test it's going to be kind of destined to fail, you know? I understand where you're coming from, but that's it was kind of not set up ideally. >> He's working all day. You have a big moment. >> I feel like it was

Zenahe needs >> I was going to say I feel like it was destined to fail on his part. If you if you gave him notice and he knows his work schedule better than anybody else. So, I feel like even if he did have a hard day, he should know his own

Zenacapabilities like and not dedicate himself to that in the first place. >> Things come up, surely he'll make the next one, right? >> Wait, you hold on. Whoa. Okay, I got to

Brian Atlascall you [ __ ] out. Y'all too done dedicated to come on the show at meet at 400 p.m. You guys were an hour late. You guys were an hour late. So don't tell me

Brian Atlasabout well if you dedicate yourself to something you should do the bro you you guys were an hour late >> I didn't say that >> fair point I guess I didn't say that >> if you're going to dedicate yourself to something well you better make sure you're always perfectly on time and

Brian Atlasanyways yeah >> so look nothing on time >> ultimately >> I think >> I don't know it's not and and it's exclusive how long has it been exclusive

Elizabeth>> well the five six months >> the entire time actually boyfriend, girlfriend. What's the title? >> There really was no title. Like we would he called us a power couple and I was like and I was like, >> "Have you said I love you?"

Brian Atlas>> No, I do have a type of love for him. I like have a type of love for him. >> [ __ ] Unless honestly if your girlfriend if she's not your girlfriend and she hasn't said I love you. It's too soon

Brian Atlasfor the hey spend two hours at the >> something super personal to you that you don't even bring your mom to, >> you know. Well, hold on. >> Or she doesn't show up at least. I get it. She lives in a different state. If it's look, if the guy is it's a Pokemon tournament and you want your girlfriend

Brian Atlasto come to the Pokemon tournament, that's valid. Dance though. Sorry. >> What did you just say? >> Come on now. >> No dance. A guy going to a dance recital. Not No. >> But you think Pokemon dancing though? That's the thing.

Zena>> Pokemon from the guy. Very important. Or, you know, maybe it's his dance boy. I just feel like

Brian Atlas>> what's something guys are into >> like uh sports. >> He's into hockey. I would have gone to his hockey season. >> Like I think look I think 9 months >> I mean they're nerds. >> You got to be dating for 9 months before

Zenayou can like >> I think I think it's just the fact that he said that he was going to go. >> I don't know. >> I think it was just that. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. A baseball game. You You got You have to

Brian Atlashave said I love you before you can take a girl to a baseball game. Cuz that shit's [ __ ] bor It's boring for a dude. >> No, I think >> but taking a girl to a baseball game, she has to be in love with you before

Paulinayou can take her to the baseball game. A guy has to be in love with you before you take him to your dance thing. >> Why do I have to wait 5 6 months before I go to a baseball game? That's so basic. That's fun. It's a good date. >> Have you been to a baseball game? >> Yeah, it's fun. >> Really?

Paulina>> It's not. >> Have you watched baseball? >> I look I don't >> Have you watched the sport of baseball? I don't watch it like that like on TV. I'll never watch it on TV. But if I'm there, I'm watching it. I'm getting into

Paulinait. It's fun. But I get what you're saying. >> You're rare then. >> Yeah. Okay. Anyways, um hockeyy's better. >> Hockey is so fun. Love a good hockey game. >> I think it's valid though. I don't know. So, okay. You guys are back together or

Elizabethwhatever. >> No, he messaged me last night and I didn't open it until this morning. Good on you. >> What did it open? It was it was just it cuz the thing is that I went complete ghost on social media like just to get a

Elizabethbreak from everything and I think he was wondering where I was physically so he Snapchated me. >> Wait, you went on a break because of what happened between you and him? >> Just just more so like I work in social media so it's like that's like what I do

Elizabethall the time. I've haven't had a break since January and like honestly before then. So I was like let me just take a break from you know scrolling all that stuff cuz I felt like it was mind-ning. So I think he was wondering he couldn't have but like you know he probably was

Elizabethwondering where I was at so he Snapchated me and didn't open it until this morning and I was just in bed and stuff. >> But what about texting you guys text? >> Cuz I think he wanted to see where I was actually physically. >> Oh. >> So he Snapchated me and you could if you

Elizabethcould just text me like I can be anywhere. >> What did he say? >> He said that he scraped his elbow cuz he was skateboarding and then I just >> You guys haven't talked for a week. >> We haven't talked for a week. >> How what? He was just looking for an excuse to talk to me.

Paulina>> No. See, there's a game that's being played here and it's it progresses into a deeper game. >> And was he not wearing elbows or anything? >> No. >> This is the communication that becomes a

Elizabethproblem. >> So, you crash you crashed out on him? >> Yes. >> Can you explain the crash out? What What did that look like? >> Um, stress. I was crying before I went on stage. I was literally walking over

Elizabethto the stage about to cry. I was on stage completely blacked out and then um I went straight to my phone and I didn't see any notifications from him and it

Elizabethmade me really upset and I instantly went outside, called him the first time and declined after the second ring. So I was like, "Oh, is he with another girl?" And so and then I called him again.

Elizabeth>> I called him again and he answered on like the second or third ring and he was like, "Hey, how are you?" And I go, "Are you okay?" And he's like, "Yeah, I'm okay. Are you okay?" And I said, "No."

ElizabethAnd he said, "Oh." And I said, "Why didn't you show up?" And he goes, "Cuz I worked all day. I'm really busy." And I go, "You could have told me that you weren't coming way before instead of the

Elizabethtime of the show." And he was just like, "Yeah." And then I was like in the middle of like about to say more things. I was just like, it doesn't sound like it was crash, but the things that I had to very much like you can tell there was

Elizabethanger in my voice. like there was other things that were said that I like can't even recall cuz like my brain was just like throw everything out and he was and as I was about to say something else he was like well I have a long drive home

Elizabethand before he can even hang up on me I hung up on him and then yeah >> and that was the first time I've ever crashed out on him like anger full on like

Ellie / Jamie>> did he did he understand how important this was he he definitely knows I know him like truly he knows >> block him sis block him Oh, you look you

Paulinacan't you can't block at every moment of cont. >> But you guys were on the call. You guys were speaking on the phone. >> Yeah. >> How was your tone with him? Here. >> It was reenact.

Ellie / Jamie>> I can't even like reenact it because like >> Are you okay? >> That >> Come on. Let's do it. >> Hey. Hey babe. Are you okay? I just wanted to see where you're at. I I fell

Elizabethoff my skateboard and I got a boo boo. That was after >> that. No, >> it was like I don't even know how to explain it because like she's heard me angry like it. >> Does she get fiery? >> I

Elizabeth>> Are you a cusser? It's okay if you want. >> Yes, I very much am. I'm like I >> You're passionate. >> It really depends. So like I really was trying not to crash on him. I was trying to have like a more like calm state, but I was just like what the like what the f

Elizabethlike you know even through text message it was like I don't swear him like nothing. Like it was like what the f like all this stuff. And that was when I was just like, "Why didn't the f did you not show up?" You know, >> what did he say in response?

Elizabeth>> He was like, "I'm really tired and I've worked all day. I'm really busy." I'm like, "Oh, well, you're acting weird and you've been acting weird for the last couple of days, but we were fine this morning. Like, you know, I don't understand." And he's like, "I'm just

Elizabethreally busy." And then that's when like I was about to say more things and literally just spit everything out. The thing is that there was people around me, so I didn't want to look absolutely crazy crazy cuz I, you know, I don't want that. But like that was when he was

Elizabethlike, "Oh, well, I have a long drive." And so that's when I hung up on him before he could say anything else. >> Yeah, that's valid. That's very valid. >> Yeah. Well, at the very least, it's very perturbing. I felt so bad.

Brian Atlas>> It's not perturbing. >> It's not perturbing. This is a minor slight >> that was blown out of proportion. I will I will grant that >> he should have given you more notice. He

Brian Atlasmade a mistake. I think you blew it out of proportion. Then it escalated into full-blown catastrophe. It's kind of weird that you guys haven't had a subsequent follow-up conversation.

Elizabeth>> We did. We did Friday. >> Oh, you said you guys had no contact. >> No, we had the call. We had the No, no, that was yesterday. So, this was like

Elizabethlast week. Last last Thursday. That was the call the next day. Um, he texted me at like 300 p.m. And I wasn't really expecting him to call me anyway or text

Elizabethme cuz I was like, "Okay, well, we both, you know, need that space anyway." And so then he texted me, he goes, "Yeah, like I just can't do this. Like it has nothing to do with you. Like, you know, I just can't put, you know, I just can't put the energy and the time. Like I feel

Elizabethreally bad that I can't make anything like at all. Like you get mad at me and it makes me feel bad. So, it's just like I just need to limit all distractions, which is true. He does work a lot. I know he does cuz we have the same schedule. So, that's why it's really

Elizabethhard for us to see each other. So, I was like, "Okay." You know, and I was like, "What made you come to this conclusion of like just wanting to end things?" And he I was like, "Was it last night?" And he was like, "It's a lot of things." And

Elizabethhe's just like, "I'm just not prioritizing my work. I feel like I'm not making it on time to work and all this stuff." I'm, you know, he got promoted. So congratulations to him and he was like I'm going to be traveling

Elizabethall this stuff and so it was just a lot of conversation and so I came back calmly wrote him a whole thing of everything that I had to say and you know I apologized for being really mean to him that night and I was like I should have came to you in a different

Elizabethway. I was like, I had a lot of things going on in the back of my mind and I just wanted you there. And so, um, we ended things on a good note in a way, but yeah, his last message was like, I I'm distancing myself from friends, you,

Brian Atlaseverything. I need to focus on my career. And I never responded to it. >> Yeah, that sounds like a breakup. But, um, had you guys hung out earlier that day? >> No, we saw each other

Elizabeth>> the day of the thing. >> No, we saw each other two Mondays ago. No, two Saturdays ago actually. >> Oh, you guys were seeing each other once a week before that. So you guys are slowly distancing yourself. >> Yeah. And we were like we were already, you know, it was really hard cuz like I

Elizabethwas out of town, then he was out of town, then I had to go do this, he had to go do this. So like we didn't see each other like 3 weeks before that. Then we saw each other I think like one or two times >> before this happened. >> Uh you said this what occurred was

Ellie / Jamieperturbing. >> If I were in her shoes, I'd be perturbed. >> I would definitely >> How do you define perturbed? What is perturbed? >> Uh perturbed being uh irritated, annoyed, bothered by the situation. >> Perturbed. Let me Google this. I feel

Brian Atlaslike >> you're underelling, right? >> Uh >> come on, Miriam Webster. Pull through. >> Perturbed. >> Okay. Unsettled.

Brian Atlas>> I thought there was a bit more gravy toss to perturbed. Do you think it was abusive? >> No. >> Do you think it was abusive what he did? >> No. >> Okay. Just check. >> Just Just a dick move. Uh >> dick move. Yeah, >> I think it's a dick move to invite a guy

Heidito a dance recession. >> Come on. >> It's really fun though. Like I've been stories.

Heidi>> Guys, guys, guys. One person speaking at a time. >> It's not like a normal dance recital like with ballet. Like it's like more hip-hop. It's fun. It's kind of like watching Step Up. >> Yeah. I get Wow. >> Like the Step Up.

Heidi>> Yeah. It's like the movie Step Up. Like that type of dance. It's like fun. >> You think guys, >> is it like sexual? >> Straight guys go all the time. Like there are so many straight guys there. >> Straight guys. >> They are like there's

Elizabethlike this is where like it's professional dance. Like people that go on tour with artists. >> If you're not a straight guy and if you're not a dancer, >> he does like watching dance though. Like I'll be scrolling. He's like this is really cool. Like he wants to learn.

Brian AtlasLike he wants to learn. >> Oh my god. No break dance. Like >> guys are generally not interested in this. >> He is though. He That's how we bonded too. >> Has it Let Okay, let me ask you a super

Brian Atlassimple question. Do guys lie >> a lot, but not not like this. >> And if a guy wants to sleep with a woman, do they often lie to get laid? Like look, I'll put it super simply.

Brian AtlasHave you ever liked a guy, but he had a particular interest that uh you really liked him, but his interest, you weren't super interested in in it, but you feigned a level of like, "Oh, that's

Brian Atlascool." But you're like, deep down you're like, "Not really that interested." But you're you're not going to like be a dick about it. Nobody. >> No, I told him straight up. >> Okay. Well, then fine. All women are

Brian Atlasperfect. Men are >> women never flatter men in any capacity. Uh men absolutely like as a guy you're

Brian Atlasnot gonna you're not gonna oh you're a dancer. Wow I have zero interest in that. As a guy you're going to be like oh my god that's really cool. What kind of dance do you do? Oh that's so sick. >> That's fair.

Brian Atlas>> Guys are not going to be like [ __ ] on your hobby or your passion >> because it's going to tank their chances. >> Yeah. So, truth be told, your boyfriend or guy you're seeing or whatever, or

Brian Atlaswhy, I guess you guys are broken up now, uh, probably has like next to no interest in dance, he's just like interested in you and he's feigning interest in dance. So, when you guys say straight guys have interest in dance, no, it's because you guys like dance and the guys are going to be like,

Brian Atlas>> "Sraight guys like dance." >> Yeah. Some straight guys, I go to school. They're dancers. No straight like straight guys are not like, "Oh, wow. I want to go to a dance thing." What? No. They just want to

Paulinabuild stuff and geek out over things, but not Yeah. Yeah. It's normal. >> Anyways, um

Brian Atlassorry to break the news to you. >> Yeah, I think it's on its way. >> Yeah. Um >> anyways, whatever. All right, we we got to move it on. But thank you for sharing all that. You were very open with all

Elizabeththat. I appreciate it. You know what? There's a lot of guys who do dance, though. dancers. Hit her up. >> Wait, you wouldn't date a dance guy? >> I won't. >> What's wrong with the dancers? >> They're gay. >> No, no, no. I No. It's literally because like you could they could be dancing with another girl and I don't want that.

ElizabethLike it's >> But you could be dancing with another guy. >> I don't want that. It's just like I don't want to feel like I'm competing with my person like at all. >> No. Don't you dance with other guys? >> The double standard. That's okay. >> But then why would then wouldn't it be

Elizabeththe case that a guy could dance and not dance with other women? >> Walking your tea a little. I just wouldn't want to date a dancer. I've tried. It's terrible. Like everyone >> everyone knows each other. Like it's like oh well I don't want to go to that

Paulinaclass because they're going to be there. Like I've been through that. >> I've never seen a male break dancer dance with women. Have you? >> Like that's not the way you're referring. I don't think. >> No. I don't know. >> Well, I guess there's different forms of dance.

Zena>> Yeah, there's different. >> I've lost dance classics because the guys I've been dating. I understand. >> What's wrong? I What's wrong with the guys who do dance? >> Well, no. Sometimes they're sometimes they're like really weird or like or like some dancer guys are like one of those guys who dance with every girl and

Zenathey're like they're just my friend, they're just my friend. But like just big ego. >> Yeah. Big ego because they're like oh I can dance. I can pop lock and it's like okay like trying to compete with

Zena>> Yeah. It stops being their rather not and it starts to be a competition. >> That's tricky when you're in the same career as your partner >> can be tricky. >> Oh and he was a he's a car he does car stuff. He works He works with a car

Elizabethcompany. I'm not going to say the name. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. >> But he does a lot of things. He does a lot of things to make money. Like he >> Wait, is it like car sales, car maintenance? >> Uh car sales. >> Car sales. >> Yeah. Like a

Brian Atlas>> You want a car guy to go to a d a hip-hop jazz dance thing? What were you thinking? Of course, this was a [ __ ] catastrophe waiting to happen. Of course. >> Just wanted support.

Brian Atlas>> This was a This was a train wreck waiting to happen. save that, you know, save it like a year down the road. Yeah, you got to wait a little bit. Okay. >> I think it's too soon to to get the guy

Paulinato go the dance thing. >> Did you expect it to be a train wreck kind of pre-exect it? >> I was mentally prepared for it. >> So, it kind of turned out the way you expected almost. So, it kind of Yeah.

Ellie / Jamie>> Yeah. >> Did you go to any of his car things? >> He doesn't have any. >> Okay. >> He's got nothing. Nothing. >> Yeah. He just works. No, you go up to the lot where he works.

Ellie / JamieYou're like, "I'm looking to buy a car." And like, "Listen to his sales pitch." And then give him some pointers. He probably doing that. >> No, don't do that. Don't do that.

Mars (USC)>> All right. Uh, what about you? Relationship status. >> So, I am currently single. I've been single for about 6 months now. my longest relationship. You know, I too am

Mars (USC)in Gen Z and have fallen victim to situationships. I had a situationship on and off for about 3 years. We officially dated for about a year. >> Um yeah, that's that was my longest

Mars (USC)relationship. >> Sorry, you said a year. >> Three years on and off. One year official girlfriend title. >> Okay. Who broke up with who? Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> I broke up with her. >> Oh, okay. >> With >> woman. Okay. So, you're bisexual. >> I am bisexual. >> Okay. I see. >> But I will say that I believe it was mutual. >> Have you ever had a long-term

Mars (USC)relationship with a guy? >> Yeah. About a year. Um, >> but you know, I am young. I'm only 20. So, that was back in high school. And how real can that be? You know, it's it's kind of like puppy love. And I I

Mars (USC)still give it >> its credit and its flowers. It felt very real, but it it's different when you know you're an adult, and you have a career and job and school and so many other factors to think about. >> Okay. Do you have a Do you lean more so

Mars (USC)one way? >> So, I don't I get that question super often as a bisexual girl. Um, it honestly changes based on who I'm interested in of the season. If I'm if I

Mars (USC)have a crush on a girl, then I obviously feel more gay. If I crush, if I have a crush on a guy, then I feel straighter. So, I would say that I'm pretty 50/50. Um, yeah, it kind of just depends who I'm interested in at that current time

Ellie / Jamieof life. >> Okay, cool. What about you? >> Um, my relationship status is single. It's very cut and dry. There's never been a boyfriend or a girlfriend.

Ellie / JamieUm, and probably for the foreseeable future as I finish my last year of high school. >> Keep it that way. >> Good for you. priorities >> and nothing. You've >> nothing. >> There's been nothing. >> No dates. I've never gone.

Ellie / Jamie>> Never even held a guy's hand. >> Yes, I brought that up last episode. I never even held a guy's hand. Never had my first kiss. >> Good for you. Purity. There's There's many firsts to go. You're going to college.

Zena>> It's actually a blessing. >> Are you going to college? >> So sweet. >> Uh >> what about you? >> Um I am single. Um, my longest relationship was about five years on and

Zenaoff throughout high school. >> Um, >> how many times on and off? >> How many times and off? Like twice. >> How long you been single for? >> Um, since April. So, I've been single

Zenafor about like a couple months now. >> Sure. Was that the 5-year one that ended 3 months ago? >> No, the 5-year one ended in 2022. >> 2022?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Oh, in 2022 you were 18 then. >> Yes, I was. >> So, this was like a junior high high school time. >> Yes, it was. >> Okay. Uh, fiveyear. >> Yes, we were engaged. >> High school. You were what?

Mars (USC)>> We were engaged. >> Oh, you were engaged. >> Uh, male or female? >> Uh, male. >> Okay. Are you by? >> Yes, I am. >> All right. Are you pan or by or? >> I'm by. >> I didn't know you were engaged. I'm sorry I interrupted you, but she's my

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