Feminist RAGE QUITS Before Show?! Catholic Pro-Choice Bi Leftist?! Grandma BACK! | Dating Talk #250

Date: 2025-07-07

Duration: 9h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMaddie (Porn)>

JJosie Marcelino >

EEmily (Coach DT250)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Emily (Coach DT250)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lucy (Data)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Marcelina(guest)

SPEAKER_07Holly (62)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Josie Marcelino(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mandy (Iran)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maddie (Porn)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Eleanor(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentMaddie: pays $170K alimony to first husband from 1-year marriage

Key MomentJosie: kidnapped on date at 20, stole truck, drove 100mph to escape

Key MomentMarcelina: ex put loaded gun to her head, doused car in acid, killed a girl, now in prison

ControversyMandy: explosive rant blaming feminism and weak men for societal decline

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Mandy (Iran/Vancouver stripper with 3 properties) and Holly (62, Jackass Forever).

Maddie Alimony

Pays $170K total alimony to first husband from 1-year marriage.

Sex Work Discussion

Mandy: 'this shit sucks.' Advocates against sex work.

Male Loneliness Epidemic

Emily raises topic. Panel discusses causes.

Josie Kidnapping Story

Kidnapped on date at 20. Stole attacker's truck. Drove 100mph.

Marcelina Gun to Head

Ex put loaded gun to her head. Doused car in acid. Killed a girl. Now in prison.

Racism Definitions

Lucy argues only those with institutional power can be racist.

Transcript

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EleanorThe last ones really looked like a lot of us to be honest cuz I don't even think your last one looked like you. That's what happened. Yeah, I think the middle ones the middle ones seem kind of accurate but I don't

Brian Atlasknow. The last ones look very like and and now what we've done is we've changed your guys' gender. Do we have the gender swap or and I will do we have do we have

Brian AtlasYeah. All right. Um I did not sign up for this. So the question wasn't what we were talking about. Oh, let me read the super chat really quick. Um, Lucas chair three comedian fancies

Brian Atlasherself a highbrow intellect calling us MAGA folks bricks. Brian to avoid any asations as I think he meant accusations of misogyny. Why don't you bring back

Brian AtlasLeonardo Johnny to have it out with chair three? Oh, that'd be interesting. Oh, Leonardo and I know each other kind of. I'll do that. Punch. I suspect it would be a caffide bet. Yeah, she's cool. I'd do that. Uh, and then Pacy George, thank you for

Brian Atlasthe super chat, man. Appreciate it. All right, so the question you're going to ask yourself is, would I date my male? I don't even know what to say. No, because I like white guys and I'm not white. All right.

Mandy (Iran)Oh my goodness. Actually, why did I look Chinese though? Like I think it's your eyeliner. Honestly, I would honestly honestly look like

Mandy (Iran)Latino. The third one I look like I um I destroy villages. You're trying make us small. Can you do smaller? Yeah, I would. I would. You look honestly I usually am into

Brian AtlasYeah. Click that. Click right small. Okay. Just right small. See, can you just drag it into the corner? It should be able It should magnetize.

Brian AtlasNo, wait. No. Yeah. Drag it. It should magnetize. Yep. Let's do that. Perfect. Nice. We'll just leave it there. Uh, so would you date the male?

Mandy (Iran)I really thought the answer would be no, but honestly, yeah, he's Oh, I don't know. But no, probably not. That looks Asian. You don't like Asian guys? I like Asian. No, I Well,

Mandy (Iran)what the [ __ ] If I had to choose, it would be actually I like Asian and white guys. That's kind of But white guys. All right. Next. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Would you date the male version of you

Maddie (Porn)with the beard? He's not bad. Kind of looks like an actor. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but who? Yeah, maybe with the beard, but not the other one.

Josie MarcelinoOkay. Uh, next. I would [ __ ] you that I am the spitting image of my brother. That's weird. Uh, so no because of that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02He's handsome, but no. All right. Next. Oh, God. Do not. I was meant to be a woman. Let's

Josie Marcelinoget I look like I sell drugs. I think I think the messy bun messed it up. I think it's the hair did something. Oh god.

Josie MarcelinoNot bad. Wipe left. This is not bad. No. No. You look like a magician. 10 million. You look like Megamind. That's who I

Marcelinalook like with the beard. Perfect. Stop.

Josie MarcelinoI mean, look. You look like a magician. And what do you rate that guy? Is he a 10? Is that a 10? cuz you're a 10. You were born to be a woman. Yeah, I was definitely born to be a woman.

SPEAKER_02But but what do you rate that guy is out of on a scale of 1 to 10? Questionable. It's a into the mind. Oh, sorry. Questionable. I'll have to debate on that.

Brian AtlasOkay. All right. This is what it is. All right. Next. Oh, no. That's kind of cute, though. It looks like my male cousin. Oh, no. I definitely would not. You

Lucy (Data)don't like He's The middle one's really cute. You don't like Asian guys? No, it's not bad. I just don't like how I look as an a guy. That's okay. All right.

MarcelinaOkay. Next. Damn. Ew. I look like my dad. Nice. He's kind of handsome. Yeah, handsome. Oh, Jesus. Would you date the male version of him?

Josie MarcelinoNo. I kind of look Asian though, too. What? It did turn a lot of the panel Asian. All right. Hey, I'm here. I'm here. Okay, get ready.

MarcelinaNext. If he's that again. Oh, he is. Oh my gosh. You look like someone I know. I know. Right there. Look at that dude. Wait, it looks like uh Who's that comedian? Um

Holly (62)Timothy Dylan. Wait, Timothy. Is it Timothy Dylan? Yeah, Tim Dylan. Tim. Oh, Tim Dylan. A little a little The middle one's Tim Dylan. The middle one's brunette Tim Dylan. That face is I swear that face is so

Holly (62)familiar. Wait, can you Google Tim Dylan? Yeah, the middle one is Tim Dylan for sure. I think I'm sorry. I I'm in love with myself at the far right. I'm serious. Me. Nice. I need to get that photo.

Brian AtlasNice. It's like that's who I've been looking for. What's my problem? Research Discord. That's him. Oh, a little bit. Yeah, I can kind of see it a wee bit. A little bit. All right. Uh, let's go next.

EleanorLet me know when you're ready. I bought that photo. How do I get it? Oh, okay. Can Can I see it again? That was quick. Not bad, honestly. You look good. I would probably date myself.

EleanorMhm. Handsome. Looks like a nice guy. Nice skin. Great skin. All right. Yeah. The far right one's like hot. All right. Next.

Brian AtlasOh. Oh. Not bad, Felicity. This This one's actually handsome. That's like boy band. Yeah. Hey, Felicity. Come on. Usually it does you dirty. Like this one's pretty good.

Brian AtlasWhy the ears every time it does the It did add weird ears. We know what you're hiding behind your ear. I'm not hiding anything here. Pull your hair back, Felicity, so we can see your ears.

SPEAKER_14It's like, wow, those are You got some normal. I think you have great ears. You got some big ears. They're normal. Mine. Show Show them again.

Brian AtlasLook, look at them pop. She pops. Okay, next. Okay. Uh, oh my gosh. Oh, model.

Josie MarcelinoI would So, um, yes, but I would be scared. Are you scared? She does have an intense stare about her. She looks a little crazy. Very intense. I would be a little

Brian Atlasfrightened. Looks like a clying like I thought you like clingy, Brian. You like a woman who's only about you. Crazy ex-girlfriend. I need to get up for a bit. Uh Felicity is going to ask you guys some uh questions, though.

Brian AtlasUnless you guys have something you'd like to discuss amongst yourselves. Spicy.

SPEAKER_14That was really cool. I liked that a lot. Yeah. Okay. Um, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date? Starting with you?

Mandy (Iran)I'm 5'5 and um I don't know. I dated short guys before like 5'8, 59. It depends. I I honestly don't really have like they can't be shorter than me, but

Mandy (Iran)if I had to pick obviously it would be like I don't know five 10 at least, but I don't really care that much. I mean, I do, but I don't. I'll take what I can. At this point, I mean,

Maddie (Porn)what about you? I'm between I don't know. I'm sometimes 411 and sometimes 5 foot. I'm going to say 5 foot. I'm 5 foot. I usually date shorter guys. So, I would

Maddie (Porn)say I probably shortest I would date is 5'5 is like the shortest I have dated. So, okay. I don't really care though. I'm 5'4 and as long as you're 5'4, it's fine.

Emily (Coach DT250)Okay. I'm 5'8. I've dated taller and shorter guys. Um, so I'm open to both. I've liked my experience with taller guys, but again, I it's really not the contributing factor. I probably wouldn't date somebody with necessarily like dwarfism.

Emily (Coach DT250)That's just a per as a personal preference, but I height's not a big thing for me. When you guys say shorter, you mean do you mean shorter than you? Yeah, he was shorter than me. Oh, really? How tall was he?

Emily (Coach DT250)Um, he was like probably three or three or four inches shorter than me. So, what is that? at 54. Yeah, something like 54 55. How long did you date him? Um, so one of them I dated for a year

Emily (Coach DT250)and a half. That was actually my longest term relationship. And then yeah, he was a cute little Italian guy. It was great.

Emily (Coach DT250)Um, and then yeah, I think the other one was like probably like right around like an inch shorter than me. He was also my other long-term relationship right underneath a year. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. I've never met a girl that dated a guy that was shorter than her. like shorter than

Lucy (Data)her by a lot. What about you? Well, I'm 53, so I would prefer that the guy be taller than me. And I used to think the sky was the limit until I went out with some guys who were 6'8 and then

Marcelinamy nose was at their belly button. So, I feel like that was too tall. But yeah, pretty much open to any height. Okay. What about you? I'm 5'2. I mean, I prefer taller. I've dated guys like I I As long as they're taller than me, I'm fine with that. I

Marcelinajust get mad when they start lying cuz I've had that habit on on like online dating. Like I've dated men that are 5'6. I prefer like 5'8 and above, but I've had a guy lie put that he was 5'10" and I met him and he was like 5'6 and

MarcelinaI'm like But yeah, as long as they're taller than me. Yeah. No, it's so bad. More often than not, they're like 510 and then like they come up and I meet them and I'm like, "Why am I looking at your nose? Like you're not 510." Oh no. The guy

SPEAKER_14like, "Why are you lying? Like you just ruined you just ruined your shot." Like the guy was like, "You have to be 6 feet." I was like, "I'm not. I'm 5'5." Yeah. Yeah. He was like, "You have to be." No, no. And what about you, Holly?

Eleanor59 and 5'9. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. So, I'm 5'1 and I don't really have a preference for height. I feel like most

Eleanormen that I've met have been taller than me anyways. I've honestly never met a man who wanted to date me who was shorter than me. So, I don't know. I mean, I'm pretty open to it, but like I

Eleanorsaid, 51, I don't think I've met many men who are shorter than 51. Have has anyone else ever been with a guy where they're like, "You're too tall." Like it's awkward. Oh yeah. I've not been with like

Josie Marcelinosexually, but like I've dated a guy and I was like, "This is not going to happen." How tall was he? He was 7 foot. That's too tall. That's too tall. That's really tall. He couldn't fit in normal cars. And we talked about that for like an hour and

MarcelinaI'm like, I can't I can't deal with 65. I feel like I can't. I slept with I slept with somebody who was 67. Nice. And that was like a lot. If I can't kiss you on my tippy toes, I I can't. Yeah, I think I was

Emily (Coach DT250)pick I have a lovehate relationship cuz I was with Oh, go ahead. Sorry to interrupt. I was with a guy that I was dating for he was like 6' 6 and so like I I can only imagine like the neck cramps that he got

SPEAKER_14bending over trying to kiss me, but like I kind of like it at the same time. I think tall men are for tall women. Like if they're 66, I'm not going at that. Yeah, I'm saying.

Lucy (Data)But tall guys like short women. Like people say women always go for taller guys, which is like that can't be true. But a lot of tall guys do prefer short women cuz they like the height difference, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_14Yeah. I'm not going to lie. If a guy is like 6'5 or taller, that's kind of scary for me. Like, oh, you're so tall. Like, I'm literally looking up at you. Yeah. I don't want to be looking up. You

SPEAKER_14know what? I had this friend. She was 49 and her boyfriend was 67. That's usually if you're like on a crazy end of the spectrum. I think that's what happens. But also the opposite end of the spectrum happens too. Like I was on a

Emily (Coach DT250)date with a guy the other day and he like loved that I was like towering towering over him because he was like, "Oh, you're going to make me look so good to my bros." I do tracking the short guys. I know. I don't

Josie Marcelinolike Kingspring. I have a friend who's a dude who is 5'4 and his girlfriend is a model and she's 6'1 and they're the cutest thing ever when they hold hands. It's adorable. Does he go like this? Is it like this?

SPEAKER_14Yeah, kind of. That's cute. The guy has to go for upies to get a kiss. I know. Oh my goodness. That's cute. Um, okay. What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your

Mandy (Iran)future husband? Starting with you. This question. um more than me. What I have now like more I mean at least like I don't really know. It depends on the

Mandy (Iran)man to be honest. If if it's someone's like actually like very manly and they make they don't make that much maybe I'll be okay but probably at least 500k here. Okay. What's like the minimum you would do?

Mandy (Iran)The minimum? Yeah. Um, I don't know. Honestly, I would like a

Mandy (Iran)Yeah, maybe like 300k a year. Yeah, but it's But I'm not saying that because I No, I'm not saying that cuz I'm just like, oh, like But it's because I I have

Mandy (Iran)like properties and stuff like that. I think it's emasculating for a man to date someone that has more than him. So, I try to date guys that had less than me, and it just it feels bad for them,

Mandy (Iran)too. It's not only me. like I'll work around it, but like they just don't feel like a man around me and it's fine. So that's why I say that if I was some girl that makes like three grand a month, I would say like yeah, if he makes 5K a month, I'm okay with it. You're thinking Canadian, right?

EleanorYeah. Okay. Yeah. I definitely agree with you cuz I have definitely met men who have said that like when they're in a relationship with someone, they do want to be the one that makes more because like like they've admitted themselves like if a

Eleanorwoman makes more than them, it makes them feel less of a man and makes them insecure. And I don't agree with them. I don't think they should be insecure, but I definitely like see where you're coming from. Yeah. I just don't want to make a man

Mandy (Iran)feel emasculated to be honest. That's my only if I was lower that what I if I was making less than what I make, I would be okay with that. But also that's kind of unfair cuz what I do, but Yeah. What about you?

Maddie (Porn)Nothing. Nothing? No. Well, you're you did say you wanted a stay at home husband. Yeah. I don't care. And your husband is a stay-at-home husband, right? Yeah. When we met, he was in the military, so And they don't pay that much.

Maddie (Porn)But now he's just kicking it. Okay, cool. He just he just takes my photos and videos. And you guys share a bank account or kind of.

Maddie (Porn)You give him an allowance? No, like he has my credit cards. Do you want to be my boyfriend? Sean, he like holds I mean he has like all my

Maddie (Porn)cards all the time. Like I do very like typical like feminine things. Like I cook, I clean kind of. He holds the money, but I mean he doesn't spend it.

SPEAKER_14Like he's he's not crazy with like spending it. Have kids. Is he gonna get pregnant? [ __ ] Is there like a limit for him? No. No, he doesn't he doesn't like

SPEAKER_14do crazy things with money. So, what do you mean when you say stay-at-home husband? Because you said you cook and you clean. What does he do? Not it's not really like a like he just helps me really. He films my content.

Emily (Coach DT250)Okay. kind of like an assistant. Yeah, kind of. Okay, cute. What about you? I'd want him to match what I make or more. Okay. So, for me as, excuse me, as an entrepreneur, I think it's highly likely

Emily (Coach DT250)that unless I date a fellow entrepreneur or business owner, I'll probably make more than him. So, what's more important for me is that he can like that he can take care of the bills in case I get incapitated in some way. like especially

Emily (Coach DT250)if I get pregnant and I have a child with him, the first three years is really fundamental for the mom to be as present as possible or have a caregiver. So if I can be off of work when I have children, um not that saying that I

Emily (Coach DT250)necessarily would, but if just to have the capability, I think that's what's important to me. So as long as he can take care of the basic bills if I get out of work or that if I get pregnant, that's what I'm okay with. Is there like a specific number range or just like

Emily (Coach DT250)something to um I it depends because it depends on where we live. I don't know if you just take the general cost of living. If I live in California, that would be fine for me. Where are you from? I'm originally from Huntsville, Alabama,

Lucy (Data)but I'm in Orange now. Orange County. Yes. Okay. Okay. Or Orange the city. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. What about you? Um, so I would say I it's not a dealbreaker, but I would prefer the man makes more than I do just

Lucy (Data)because in the past when I've out earned the man, the power dynamic gets skewed and I feel like I become the daddy in the relationship and I don't like that. Um, I very much enjoy being a passenger

Lucy (Data)princess and having my doors open and things like that. So, I would prefer to be the baby in the relationship. You are quite feminine. You kind of remind me of like a Disney princess.

Lucy (Data)Thank you. I love you do have like that nice like soft voice that like Oh yeah, like a Disney princess would have. Oh, thank you. Well, if any masculine

Lucy (Data)men want to slide in my DM, but um is there like a specific number range you're thinking of? So, since I live in LA, I just feel like minimum six figures cuz otherwise it's really difficult just to get by

Lucy (Data)comfortably. So, 100,000 probably. I mean, which also feels kind of low for LA, but also I'm probably going to still be working most likely. Um, so it's not hard and set. I'm pretty flexible cuz obviously compatibility on

Lucy (Data)all fronts matters, but financially it can definitely tank the relationship. I've noticed when the woman significantly outn. Okay. What about you? I would say at least six figures at

Marcelinaleast as much as me. um like LA too, like it's expensive as well. But um if you're going to like include kids and like family down the road into the picture, I would expect a lot more cuz like who's going to take care of the

Marcelinafamily? Like I would expect I would. And like I don't know, I feel like the guy would be the supporter. So 100 at least 100. And like also depends on

Marcelinawhat they do cuz I feel like in some um careers there's like room to grow and then some there isn't. So, I feel like they need to focus on like growth versus like I feel like some um jobs are like

Marcelinastagnant, if that makes sense. But I would expect them to at least make like six figures, like at least 100k on the like low end. Okay. As long as they're not bums and I know that they're like striving for something. Yeah.

Holly (62)Yeah. Okay. And what about you, Holly? This question got me in trouble last time, but um I want somebody

Holly (62)established. I want somebody that owns property, that has investments, that isn't in debt, and that that they can go

Holly (62)travel with me. And so, how much is that?

Holly (62)Somebody that owns property. Okay. somebody that has investments, that's already established,

Holly (62)that isn't in debt, um, and has the time to go travel with me, whatever amount that is,

Brian Atlasyou know, think of LA standards. How much is it to own a home? How much is it to own property? Do you own a home? Yes.

Brian AtlasOkay. But you said own Can he own just one property? Does he not need to own multiple properties? Well, God bless him if he owns one property. Right on. Find into the mic.

Brian AtlasYes. So, okay. F. Because it sounded like you wanted multiple properties. I would hope. What did she say last show? You said you wanted a guy who makes like

Holly (62)they You wanted million or something. Well, you wanted me to give a dollar amount. Yeah. just a dollar. And so I said 5 million because I want

Holly (62)them to have more than me. And the last guy I dated was of that. So I didn't really think I was shooting out, you know, I didn't really think I

Brian Atlaswas, you know, but the your friend wanted to challenge into the mic. Your friend wanted to challenge me and tell me that if you see it, Nick, just that it wasn't possible. I can't really tell that I was in dreamland. and I'm

Holly (62)going, you're dude, you don't even know me.

Brian AtlasIs it common? Um, I'm actually genuinely curious. Are there people even into their 60s who are like paycheck to paycheck? Is that um Yeah, I would say there's a lot of men that are problem

Josie Marcelinothat are um but I've got a lot of friends that are really really wealthy. That's why you see older people working at Walmart and stuff now more and more. Makes

Brian Atlassense. Yeah. Maybe they're just sometimes sometimes it's for socialization. That's usually like the greeters. Well, that's what I was thinking. Maybe they're just looking for something to do. No, it's it's an increasing problem.

Holly (62)I think there's a curve. I think there's some people, if I look at friends from high school, it's definitely a curve. There's definitely winners and losers. And you're thinking, how can you be the

Brian Atlassame freaking age? And what did you do with yourself, you know? Uh, moving on though, what about you for the income or did you already answer it?

EleanorUm, so I don't really have like a specific dollar amount. I guess as long as like the person has like a source of income where they can take care of themselves, you know, they're

Eleanorindependent and they're actually, you know, taking care of themselves, they're being responsible, then I think that's pretty much enough for me. Sure. Uh, moving on. Would you rather

Brian Atlascross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike? Um, a random man. You wrote bear here. What?

Mandy (Iran)You wrote bear. Oh, which one I rather see in person? Come across. Oh, a a man. Oh, okay. What about you? I probably wrote read it wrong.

Josie MarcelinoProbably a man, but possibly a bear. Man, I guess. I guess if you had to pick one. I guess man. What about you? Uh, I have a gun either way, so I'm going to go bare uh because I could take

Brian Atlassome photos. Let's say you didn't have a gun. I'm always going to have a gun in the woods. My southern race. Can I ask you a question? Uh, how would

Brian Atlasyou feel if you had not eaten breakfast this morning? Hungry. Why? So, it's a hypothetical. Um, so assuming you don't have a gun in this hypothetical, which would you rather

Brian Atlascross paths with? a bear so I could take photos if they're both going to try and kill me. Well, hold on. Why? A random bear might not try to kill you and the random men might not try to kill you, right? But I'm not going to take photo.

Brian AtlasThere's nothing in the question that like that incorporates into it that it's there's a certainty of attack. Do I get to pick the bear or the man or just random?

Lucy (Data)It's a random man or random bear? Bear. They're cuter. Okay. What about you, man? For sure. What about you? Um, I think I put neither, but if I had a choice, if it was a narrow

Lucy (Data)random man, random bear. Well, I said either brown bear, but if not a brown bear, then a man, cuz you know that saying, if it's brown, lie down. If it's black, fight back. If it's white, good night. Yeah. Wait, I thought it was a black bear. The

Marcelinablack bears are black, fight back. Black and I I can't fight. So, no, black don't know. Blacks are the No, black. They're the They don't attack ones, I guess. They don't attack the grizzly. Actually, in California, a woman was

Brian Atlasrecently killed by a black bear. But, um, when they say fight back, they mean make yourself bigger and like make noise and stuff. I suppose the brown bears are more of a threat, but all bears are a threat. No, I only know that cuz I used to hike

Marcelinaa lot in Pennsylvania, New York when I live there. But I said bear. So, to the questionnaire? Yeah. Okay. What about you, Holly? Man or bear? A man. What about you?

Josie MarcelinoI think I wrote down a man. Okay. Uh, so bear. Bear. Bear. Bear. Okay. Why do you pick bear? Why don't you pick man? Bear is cuter and would be a cooler experience. I'd like to see a bear in my

Josie Marcelinolifetime. Okay. In the wild. Is there any reason you don't pick men? Cuz I could see a man whenever. I don't see bears often. That just sounds like a more fun hiking adventure. So, for the novelty? Yeah.

Brian AtlasYou wouldn't be scared to come across a Yeah, I'd be terrified. I'd be terrified. Would you be more terrified coming across a random man or a random bear? Depends on what the man looks like.

Lucy (Data)Okay. Um, cool. What about you? Well, so, um, my reason for this was nuance because men are women's only natural predators and there are apex

Lucy (Data)predators. Just statistically, depending on the bear attacking me, there are things I can maybe do. Whereas, if it's a man who is, you know, if if I'm alone and the man's alone and he is set on finding a victim or anything, there's

Brian Atlasnot much I can do. So, I'm just taking a gamble here. Wait, sorry. Did you say that men are women's apex predator? Yeah, there are only natural predators. That's a really I've never even from

Marcelinafeminists heard the framing of men being like apex predators of women. Well, they're that's really strange. They're our biggest predators. I've heard that like statistically or whatever. Their number one killer. Yeah. Number one killer is the number Yeah. The

Brian Atlasnumber one reason women die every Yeah. And it's usually a man, you know, not like usually in terms of Wait, hold on. Women the the number one killer would be natural causes or health complications. I think they're talking about predators

Brian Atlasin general. Yeah. Of something that's going to attack you. Is it? Yeah. Okay. But then you'd have to like Okay. You'd have to look at per capita and the the rate of

Brian Atlasencounter. So all of you encounter men way more frequently than you encounter bears and almost every woman has been. Every not just bears, every other animal that could potentially be a predator.

Brian AtlasBut I wouldn't blame the bear for attacking versus why the guy would Let me ask you this though. If you encountered mountain lions at the same rate that you encountered men, which one do you think would like which one do you

Josie Marcelinothink would be more uh likely to attack you? the random man or the random mountain lion. If we were encountering mountain lions that often, we would know how to move around them in a safe enough way. If you encounter a mountain lion, you're not

Brian Atlasguaranteed to die. Same thing with a bear. They don't hunt us. You're not guaranteed to die if you encounter a given random man. I know, but I'm saying that men hunt us sometimes. Bears and mountain lions

Brian Atlasdon't hunt us. Hold on. What proportion of men hunt women? But why are we why that seems like a very generalized statement. And I'd like you to revise it to like the what percentage of men you think hunt women.

Josie MarcelinoI don't know the percentage, but predators, serial killers, anything like that is going to hunt. I don't know what the percentage is, but the percentage of bears and mountain lions is zero. They don't hunt humans. It's a territorial thing.

Brian AtlasThey kill. They don't hunt us. They aren't hunting us. I don't know. I don't know the specifics of uh the I don't know if it's not anthropology. What would it be? uh

Brian Atlaswhether or not bears hunt humans. Polar bears do, but regular bears like in the woods don't. Polar bears are the only thing that hunts humans. Granted, they don't actively hunt, but you do agree that they can kill humans,

Josie Marcelinoof course. And they do kill humans, but it's a territorial thing. It's like it's a protection. Yeah. Not necessarily. Yeah. A mountain lion won't kill you if you're not encroaching on its territory or its term for somebody who would like

Brian Atlasstudy study not bears but maybe just zoolog like a zoologologist. I don't know who what what the specific terminology is but uh look I'm not an expert in the

Brian Atlashunting uh what's the word the hunting behaviors of of bears but uh kind of seems irrelevant. I feel like if you get attacked by a bear though, it's

Marcelinalike like you were in the wrong spot. Like I don't want to say like like it's not your fault, but like I don't want to say you're asking for it, but like why were you there in the first place? But when it comes to like men like man versus a woman, it's like you're going to wonder like

Marcelinawhy? Like man will kill you in your house. That's what I'm saying. House you share. Like I if I if I were to get attacked by a bear at the end of the day, I'm like well like I was in their home in their environment. Like I'm not going to be

Brian Atlasmad. But like if if a guy comes like what the [ __ ] In other ways though, I don't know. Uh well, I guess uh do you think that picking bear is sexist?

Brian AtlasYes. Against men? Like you have a prejudice against men and you've deemed like you've done a risk assessment and essentially what you're saying is uh I

Brian Atlasview men as this dangerous like that the the risk is enough that even though maybe there I don't know if you here how about this? What percentage of men do you think would be inclined to either

Josie Marcelinoessay or murder you if they saw you in the woods alone? I mean, I don't think you can put a percentage on it. You can ballpark it. Doesn't need to be based on what we how would we know that

Marcelinajust without looking up the statistics of how much like how likely one in four women have been like essayed or something. I think they've said one in three, but now it's like one in four. But also, that's like such like a fat percentage. And I feel like all women

Marcelinahave experienced like even a tiny like situation where they felt like unease with men. So, hold on. But all men, I would say all women and all men have felt unease with

Emily (Coach DT250)the opposite sex. I would even say that men have experienced it a lot too. It's just been quieter. They don't usually talk about Yeah, that too. Yeah, that too. But I

Brian Atlasmean, if unease is the threshold for I would rather encounter a wild animal over this group of people, I think. I don't know.

MarcelinaBut you can't you can't put like if you're to ask men like bear versus women. The only reason I feel like we would pick the bear over the man like and you can't compare women versus bear because men are stronger than us.

Josie MarcelinoBears are also strong. Bears are way stronger. No, I know they're stronger than men, but like Nick, can you pull up the Discord gun in the She's saying that like if a man encounters a random woman in the woods like she can he can It's almost impossible that she's going

Brian Atlasto kill him unless she has a gun. Unless it's me, but it's also impossible. It's also way It's even more impossible that a woman would encounter a bear and be able to kill the bear.

Josie MarcelinoThe bear might not be and they ran away. Hold on. The man might also not attack, too. Yeah, but here's the difference. I've dealt with creep. If the bear attacks me, it's going to kill me pretty quickly. If the man attacks me,

Brian Atlasthey'll eat you alive. Or just aren't going to You're going to die pretty quickly from exanguination. You will. Not necessarily. They might or they might just like harm you fatally, but not like fully kill you. So, you're

Josie Marcelinosuffering for hours or bleed out pretty quickly from petty. It did it out of like a survival instinct. But regard the bear's not going to sa me. Yeah, sure. I agree. won't sa you.

Brian AtlasI agree. Yes. So, I'll pick the one that there's no chance of being SA. You're doing it out of instinct, not out of like emotional.

Josie MarcelinoThe average man versus the average bear. Like, which one is more dangerous? Again, the bear's got 0% chance it's going to s Amy. And it's cute.

Lucy (Data)We can go with that. There have been many men who have um you know encountered either a child or an animal in the wild and have um I don't know if I can say g banged either the animal or the child and like these have been recorded.

Lucy (Data)Wait, hold on. Like there was a group of eight men in India where they were recently with a lizard and like bears don't do that. So this woman Okay, so just to be clear, we're going

Brian Atlasto agree that there have been occurrences that are horrible. We're going to then attribute that to the general population of men.

Brian AtlasNo, it's just a survival instinct. But you're you're pointing to some crazy thing that happened in India and saying,

Brian Atlas"Well, because of this, I'm going to have a generalized fear towards 50% of the population, which seems because animals will kill us out of survival for themselves and what they know biologically, but like men, like

Brian Atlaswhy are they killing?" Give me a percentage. What's the percentage chance of a man that I murdering you or harming you? Uh like physically harming you, like torturing you or essay. I don't know exact numbers, but if you

Marcelinawant to% 30% 40% I think it's one in four women have experienced some form of like essay. Also, there was one situation, I don't know, cuz it's not a bear. You can look it up too where I don't know what

Marcelinacountry it was but um some like little girl like underage was taken by a bunch of men and I don't know what happened but she got out and a lion was protecting her and you could look this up but the lion was protecting her

Brian Atlasright you can look yeah you can and there's plenty of like female high school teachers who abuse male children and so this idea that this is like some

Brian Atlasexclusive male thing but I guess here's My question, if it is the case to pick it's okay to pick the bear over the man because of

Brian Atlasyour either your own lived experiences or there's stats or whatever it is, do you would you have any objection to somebody picking a bear over a black

Brian Atlasperson? Bear over a black person. To those of you who picked bear, do you object if somebody picks a bear over a black person? Well, yes, because why bring race into it?

Brian AtlasWhy bring gender into it? That was the original question that was posed. I know, but I'm right now I'm just probing the logic. So, if we change it and you pick bear over a black person

Josie Marcelinoand are you a racist? Is it a black woman? Doesn't matter. You don't get to pick the man. If there's a chance that it's a man, I'm still going bare. Same. If it's a woman, I don't give a [ __ ]

Brian AtlasOkay. So, but it's a it's black person. If there's a chance that it's a man, then I'm picking ask you this. Would you rather come across uh George Floyd or a bear in the forest?

Josie MarcelinoBear. Well, is it George Floyd like today? He's dead. He's dead. I know. That's I'll encounter a corpse in the woods. I don't care. No. Alive.

Brian AtlasAlive. I don't know him. I'll pick Bear. Oh, okay. So you're saying that even knowing who the individual is, I don't know him like that. So but you it's not a random man now. It's

Brian Atlasa specific man, a black man. Still a man I don't know and I can't speak to anything about him. But but again, I'm asking though, would it be racist to pick the bear over a black person? Not not if it's not if you're still

Brian Atlasgoing with the mindset of like I don't want to see a man in the woods, which is still how I'm looking at it. No, no, no. But here, let me ask you this. Let me change it like this. I know in your own determination you're viewing it from well if it's still a man like if

Brian Atlasthere's a chance it's a man sure I'm saying let's say somebody besid outside of you whether it's a man or a woman they say I would rather encounter the

Brian Atlasbear not because they're a man not because they're a woman doesn't matter but because they're black well what would be their justification like why would they say that? Sure. I love this question.

Brian AtlasPerhaps because say they cite to criminal statistics that would indicate something related to you would agree that there's disparities in criminality between the races. Not inherently, but there is different representation of

Brian Atlascriminality. I don't know. Not inherently, but if you look at crime statistics, certain races are more represented in crime statistics. I haven't looked at crime statistics by

Josie Marcelinorap race. So I don't Okay. But if I were to present that to you, would you Sure. But I don't Yeah. So I me personally, no. I don't look at a black person and get scared. For example, that you said you lived in Chicago.

Brian AtlasI live in Philly. But did or who lived in Chicago? I did. Oh, that was you. Okay. So, well, I don't even need to make this geographical, but for example, criminality is very low amongst Asian-Americans

Brian Atlasas compared to say like black Americans. Okay? Right? Not not because of anything inherent, but this is just how the the what the crime statistics show. Okay? Okay. So, somebody was making a

Brian Atlasdetermination based off that. But then also, let's say a person had negative encounters in their own life and perhaps their friends had negative encounters in

Brian Atlastheir lives with a black person and then they use this as pretext to have perhaps bigoted opinions towards that racial group. You guys would say that this is racist, right?

Brian AtlasI don't think that saying you'd rather not see a man in the woods is bigoted. Uh, no. This person in particular when asked this question, they're not they're not making it about gender. I know you

Brian Atlasview it that way, but they're saying, "I don't want to encounter this person in the woods because they're black." And they cite they think it's dangerous.

Brian AtlasThey cight to saying, "I had negative I my own experiences had negative experiences with black people." You would then have to grant, if you're

Brian Atlasgoing to make that same argument that if women have had negative experiences with men and that gives them justification to pick a bear over a man, you would have to grant that same exemption to a white person saying, "I would rather pick a

Josie Marcelinobear over a black person solely on the basis, not about gender, on the basis of their race." If the bad experience that you're referring to is SA, then I don't care if their qualifier is black or bald or

Josie Marcelinoshort or whatever it is. I think that's valid. Fine. If you were essayed by somebody, you can categorize whatever that triggers you and you can be afraid of that. Fine. Okay. But would it be racist? No. Not if they were essayed and they're

Brian Atlaslike, "Yeah, I'm terrified of this." And again, that would work for black or bald or whatever. Okay. And what? So, if somebody answered that here, that would be fine.

Brian AtlasIf they said, "I was essayed by this and now I have this phobia." Whatever the qualifier was, I'd be like, "All right, that's your phobia." What if it was just like violence of some form? Like they were attacked physically

Josie Marcelinowould depend. Like if the attack maybe killed their family or something, I'd be like, "All right." No, they were just like, "Uh, I don't know. They got a concussion or something." Then I would say, "All right, you need to go to therapy. Work that out a little bit more." That's wild.

Brian AtlasWhy? Why would that be wild? It's a concussion. You shouldn't be afraid. So, just to be clear, but how about this? What if a woman, she's never been essayed and she's just been punched by a random man and she got knocked out and

Brian Atlasgot a concussion. Would that not be enough pretext for her to want to pick the bear over the man? I'd still say she should go to therapy at that point and work that out. So then you'd be you would object to her picking

Josie Marcelinothe if she thinks every man's going to punch her, she does need to go to therapy cuz not every man's going to punch her. But that's what you just got you basically said. No, I said there's a one in4 chance that if that a man is going

Brian Atlasto essay a woman in her lifetime. Hold on. There's a Well, okay, now we're getting into some semi- dubious statistics. Um, but one in four women are going to be essayed in their lifetime.

Brian AtlasOkay, but I'd like to I think we got to explore what that actually means. Because for example, I've looked at the studies that these organizations put out, like RAIN for example, and they

Brian Atlasactually include like where they're pulling this these numbers out of their ass from and I've looked at the studies and they'll include things like like let let me ask you this. Uh, is cat calling sexual assault?

Brian AtlasNo. Okay. What if I told you that in these studies they categorize this under a a sort of umbrella term called sexual

Brian Atlasviolence and they'll they'll categorize that as essay. So they'll pull women and have you been cat-c calledled and they'll include that in their statistics.

Josie MarcelinoI'm just curious by cat calling did they mean like somebody being aggressively cat called complimented something like that. Oh, okay. That's okay. I would disagree with that, but having worked very

Josie Marcelinoclosely with RAIN, I am uh not privy to that study where they they've ever referred to cat calling as sexual violence. Yeah, it falls under this umbrella of sexual violence. I looked at the studies that they published.

Brian AtlasThe training that you get in RAIN does not does not say that. Um but well, yeah, they obviously because it would be a counternarrative to the uh the rhetoric that they're trying to put

Brian Atlasout there. Now I think th this sort of crime is absolutely terrible. I think if it can if if it has occurred this person

Brian Atlasshould uh face the maximum uh extent of the law perhaps even if the they're like repeat offenders. I think the death

Brian Atlaspenalty should be on the table. But I think it does a disservice to try to put out this rhetoric that basically says

Brian Atlasthis is occurring way more than it actually is. I don't really know why they're doing this. I don't know why they're trying to like maybe they want people to, you know, have a victim complex or whatever.

Josie MarcelinoJust at the table, uh, is there anybody here that doesn't know a woman who was essayed? Never been a victim of men. No. But do you know any woman who has ever been essayed?

Mandy (Iran)Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Do you know women in your life that's been No, I actually don't know any woman that have been essayed personally. I don't. I had girlfriends that told me certain things, but it wasn't I I don't really

Brian Atlasthink it was essay. I mean, do you want to ask the table if they've experienced it themselves? No, I'm not going to ask that. Okay. I mean that's that's fine, but it seems a little you know unfair to say you know somebody who knows somebody

Holly (62)who knows somebody. I'm saying do you know somebody who has been do you personally know somebody in your life? Several times men give me ultimatums because I won't sleep with them. Okay

Holly (62)and I'm not sleeping with them just because I don't like to sleep around and I want to know their intentions are true. But okay I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But well, how does that tie into

Holly (62)Yeah. Didn't you say what's Didn't you say essay was like so just just to offer an alternative

Holly (62)perspective that actually help your point, Brian, is that that they've gotten violent. I'm saying because I wouldn't. That's horrible. Yeah. Yeah. That's horrific. So that's why I'm I'm speaking on that.

Brian AtlasYeah. Can I ask you a question just and I know you want to come in. I just want to ask a couple clarifying questions. Uh if a girl I've been dating a girl for a year

Brian Atlasand we've had hundreds of consensual sexual encounters and she wakes me up with a BJ. Do you think that that's essay? I'm unconscious. Is that essay? No. If you Well, have you told her that you don't

Brian Atlaslike that? Is that something you don't feminist who will vigorously argue that because consent must always be revocable so you can't be unconscious. I'm sleeping she has committed sexual act on

Brian Atlasme. There are feminists who will argue that that is essay. I'm I can't argue for other feminists out there. I'm telling you from my perspective like that's why I think it's

Brian Atlasimportant to we just throw these okay well one in four women have been essayed okay well let's actually look at what they consider to be essay for example they'll say have you ever had a sexual encounter when you've had more than two

Brian Atlasdrinks oh and without actually asking the person well was it a consensual encounter but you had two drinks they'll just say did you have a sexual encounter and you had two drinks there are

Brian Atlasfeminists and feminist organizations who will label that regardless of if the man was more drunk than she was, they will label that as SA. So, it's important to define these things precisely.

Brian AtlasYeah. Has anybody here ever had a consensual sexual encounter when you've had one, two, or three drinks? Were was that grape? No. No. I've Okay. But there's some people who argue that it is.

Brian AtlasYeah. But they're not sitting here and they're not talking to you, right? But you're citing but the reason I'm bringing it up is because you're citing to a number that if you actually start looking at some of the breakdowns

Brian Atlaslook I'm not essay absolutely happens it's a terrible crime these people should be honestly they should probably be you know whatever but

Brian AtlasI think it's important like I I don't I think there's a lot of rhetoric going around that has a lot of women I I think women you should operate from a perspective of safety

Brian AtlasBut I think if you're trying to push out rhetoric that's going to paint men as these just perpetual predators and monsters, I think that's pretty damaging both to women and to I don't think they are just perpetual predators and monsters.

Josie MarcelinoOkay, I didn't claim that they are perpetual predators and monsters, but it is much more likely that we're going to be if we're going to be killed by somebody, it's going to be a man that we social

Brian Atlasstigma she's creating when she says, "I think men are apex predators of women." Like that's very uncharitable framing of the dynamics that exist between men and women. But in reality,

Brian Atlasbut well, no, in reality, men and women cooperate and generally speaking get along. And that's like the fabric of society. This idea that like there's

Brian Atlasthere's an ultimate form of predation like, and the majority of men are predate uh preying on the majority of women is absurd. I don't think she was insinuating that, and neither was I. Who is the apex

Brian Atlaspredator of men? Who's the apex predator of men? Who? Well, I don't think there's an apex predator of humans. There is. There are other humans. Okay. I thought you were looking scared of women though the way women are scared

Emily (Coach DT250)of men are like worried probably. Sure. Well, I think that men just to be fair men are completely underreresentated under reppresentated in forms of reports

Emily (Coach DT250)of essay. Absolutely. I think that this is in my personal opinion this is not a gender issue. This is a assault and crime issue that is not gender related.

Emily (Coach DT250)Um and what I will say is just for the women in here and anybody who is watching who has experienced these types of experiences before just from my life. I can only speak from my experience.

Emily (Coach DT250)There's I've encountered many different men. There's only been two that have tried to take advantage of me. But I've also met like the other majority of men were incredible men who helped me on the side of the road when my car was broken,

Emily (Coach DT250)who helped me at a to pay for a meal when I lost my wallet. Like really really incredible men. And that's what I think the majority of men are like. But it but trauma is always going to speak

Emily (Coach DT250)louder, especially the collective trauma of when women have been given a space to speak about this trauma like with the Me Too movement. And so it's natural and it's um and it's understandable why

Emily (Coach DT250)women are going to lead with more defensiveness because I mean it's all over social media, the me too movement and how technically speaking men are stronger than women physically. I don't

Emily (Coach DT250)think that really takes into consideration women who are essayers are doing different tactics of uh that are not necessarily physical. Um but again at the end of the day when again it

Emily (Coach DT250)makes sense why there's defensiveness. It makes sense like you know why women are on edge because of the narratives out in society. However, there are also really, really, really incredible men. The majority of the men are really

Emily (Coach DT250)incredible who just don't know how to step up when there is such a loud voice out there. And it also takes intentional work. Like for example, I would not have been able to receive this really great treatment from men like you know who are

Emily (Coach DT250)helping me on the side of the road if I didn't work on my limiting beliefs about men too and how to regulate my trauma or my uh my nervous system to believe in safe men. So, and I I do want to just go on the record

Josie Marcelinoand say I love men. I genuinely love men. I love so much about them, but you can't deny that there are bad ones out there and that they they do pose a risk to women in a lot of ways. But I'm not

Lucy (Data)by any means painting that that's the majority or that that's all of them. It's not, of course, but also the vast majority of men who experience essay is typically at the hands of other men. Not to excuse the women asayers, but yeah, definitely like

Lucy (Data)the vast majority of men I do believe are good and I do love men, but also as women, you know, we are taught from a young age to protect ourselves. Yeah. Did you say men are apex predatory of

Mandy (Iran)women? What did you say about that? Oh, yeah. Like just men are women's only natural predators. Okay. And and doesn't that give you like that makes you have no like not like

Mandy (Iran)that makes it sounds weird because your job is basically like getting naked for men. If you really think that, does that mean you have no like survival instinct? Because if you really think they're that dangerous, why are you literally getting

Mandy (Iran)naked in front of them and making money off of that? Screen and Yeah. But you also comparison. You also got naked in front of a bunch of men in a in a place with security and Yeah. But the security is also male.

Emily (Coach DT250)Well, let's not use a woman's personal occupation choice as a reason to perpetuate certain beliefs about men or women. It's weird that we hate them so much, but we're willing to make We don't hate them. We don't hate them at all. We don't hate

Lucy (Data)them at all to make that compliment is crazy. No, it's not. No, it's statistically accurate, but it's still believing men are inherently good people overall. And like I was saying, men's apex

Brian Atlaspredator is also men. Nick, can you just go into the Discord just because I want to pull this up because you maybe doubted the study that I was referencing. So, it's the uh pull

Brian Atlasup the Discord. It's in research miscellaneous, not the research, not not under general. It's research miscellaneous.

Brian AtlasIt's the uh 2015 data brief. We don't have anything more recent. It's 10 years ago. I mean,

Brian AtlasRain puts out statistic studies every year. I mean, the NSI, what's that? So, it's research mism.

Brian AtlasYou got to scroll all the way past like resources, past off topic. Do you have it? Yeah. Okay. 2015 data brief.

Brian AtlasI mean, so what I'm It's actually what I'm going to show you is not actual uh and I assume Well, it's not actual numbers. It's how they describe things. So,

Brian Atlasdo you have it? Yeah. Okay. I think I have 2015 data brief.

Brian AtlasWhat? Are you in Are you in research MISK? Correct. Okay. So, it's 2015 data brief.

Brian AtlasIt's the fifth one down. It's the fifth one down. Okay.

Brian AtlasOkay. So, uh what I'm gonna have you do, make it bigger. You're going to go to page five. So, this is the uh national

Brian Atlasuh make it bigger, bigger, bigger. Put this on the other side. That works. Uh actually, just leave it there. It's

Brian Atlasfine. Uh scroll down. Scroll down. Uh wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Up, up, up, up just a

Brian Atlasbit. That's good. I see the four. So, here's where the the first two. Sure. Absolutely. Um although there's a bit of confusion over

Brian Atlasto the degree like if you've had one drink and your partner's had one drink is have are you not able to give consent? That's another conversation. But if you go to sexual coercion and again at the bottom contact sexual

Brian Atlasviolence. So they collapse all of these four things. It's a combined measure that includes that that that sexual coercion, right? So, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual penetration that occurs

Brian Atlasafter a person is pressured in a non-physical way, uh, refers to unwanted blah blah blah after being pressured in ways that include being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for sex or showed they were unhappy, feeling

Brian Atlaspressured by being lied to, being told promises that were untrue, having someone threatened to end a relationship or spread rumors, and sexual pressure due to someone using their influence or authority. So,

Brian AtlasI just want to I I guess what I'm trying to get at is a better sense of what some of those mean. So, having someone threaten to end a relationship. So, for example, let's say you're a woman and you've had consensual sex aund times with somebody. And then you're all of a

Brian Atlassudden say, "I no longer want to have sex with you." And then the guy's like, "Well, I want to continue having sex." And he says, "Well, I I respect that you don't want to have sex, but if you don't want to continue being in a sexual

Brian Atlasrelationship with me, this relationship is over." She then makes a determination that she she wants to keep the relationship. So

Brian Atlasshe then although reminder she just said she doesn't want to have sex anymore in in furtherance of her keeping the relationship she then has sex with him. Was that essay? I think that's a a misunderstanding of what that means with

Brian Atlaspull it back up. It literally No, I'm saying that it's how else would it make sense. It literally says this is this is the study that rain it's literally from their website. Rain is not saying, "Oh, having someone threaten to end a

Josie Marcelinorelationship." How am I misinterpreting that? Because it's not saying, "Oh, you two have become sexually unaligned over the years and now you're having sex with less frequency and like you're having a bigger conversation that's completely

Josie Marcelinocalm going, hey, if we're not having sex more and more, I think we're just not compatible in this way and we're breaking up." It's saying like you're sleeping next to somebody and he tries to make a move and you go, "Hey, I'm really not in the mood tonight." and

Brian Atlashe's like, "If you don't [ __ ] do this, I'm gonna break up with you." Like, and getting really aggressive in your face. It It can only be charitable in your direction because it doesn't say that either. It doesn't specify that he's like that. That's the context. I'm saying that is in which it would be

Brian Atlascoercive. Okay. Well, hold on. Would it would it coercion is like a threat of something, a genuine threat of something? So, if a woman says, "I no longer want to have sex with you," and the guy's like, "Okay, well, I want to break up."

Brian AtlasIs that No. Well, see, but you see the vagueness of what they're saying there. Sure, they can write it better. I think in my interpretation,

Brian AtlasI think that somebody could fall under uh or or perhaps a woman who's not as sophisticated as you sees that all of a sudden she thinks, "Whoa, I was essay in a previous relationship because I was

Brian Atlasnot, you know, I didn't want to have sex with my boyfriend and he dumped me." I don't think but I'll say, "Okay, they have to word it better then." I actually the the woman who's going to be on the

Brian Atlasshow, the feminist who rage quit at the very beginning, uh she had a really interesting this is why I was kind of upset because she had a really really interesting take that's on topic to

Josie Marcelinothis. Uh so, and by the way, wouldn't threatening to end a relationship? Isn't that a threat? But is that would that be essay?

Josie MarcelinoIf you're being threatening about it, if you're just saying, "Hey, I think it's time for us to move on." That's not threatening to end a relationship. That's saying, "I think we're breaking up." Well, I mean, hold on. But if let's say

Brian Atlasthe guy is frustrated and pull up or pull up the the thing real quick again, not the video. While he pulls that up, I think also, Brian, there's a difference between Let's say it's a stay-at-home mom and her husband.

Emily (Coach DT250)Yeah. I think there's a difference between like somebody who's a stay-at-home mom and her husband is her main source of income and he's threatening her in the sense of I'm going to leave you with nothing. You're going to be broke. You're going to have um I'm going to take all your kids away.

Emily (Coach DT250)There's a difference between that and two couples who have or a couple who has a a fundamental disagreement about sex and is incompatible sexually. Well, they should specify that. Hold on.

Brian AtlasThey should they should really like I don't think we should have any vagueness when it comes to very serious accusations that relate to essay. Realistically it might now this is 10 years old. This is 10 years old. It

Brian Atlascould be updated. But did this this language it's not looking at they're not doing like statistical an analysis. This is the language. Okay. So you think it's changed? If

Brian Atlasanything, I think it's probably encompassing way more vague, possibly benign behavior. You're basing that off of nothing, right? Okay. Well, hold on. The the like one in four

Brian Atlasstatistic or whatever that you're citing has been around for decades. So, this idea that Oh, Brian, now that I'm actually pulling up used to be one of three. Okay. Well, now that I'm pulling up uh a study that seems to perhaps back up my

Brian Atlasposition a little bit more, now you're like, well, the stud is not recent enough. But this is I we could probably find a more recent uh it's the NIS or whatever that has the same sort of definition for what they consider sexual

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