Feminist RAGE QUITS Before Show?! Catholic Pro-Choice Bi Leftist?! Grandma BACK! | Dating Talk #250

Date: 2025-07-07

Duration: 9h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMaddie (Porn)>

JJosie Marcelino >

EEmily (Coach DT250)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Emily (Coach DT250)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lucy (Data)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Marcelina(guest)

SPEAKER_07Holly (62)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Josie Marcelino(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mandy (Iran)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maddie (Porn)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Eleanor(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentMaddie: pays $170K alimony to first husband from 1-year marriage

Key MomentJosie: kidnapped on date at 20, stole truck, drove 100mph to escape

Key MomentMarcelina: ex put loaded gun to her head, doused car in acid, killed a girl, now in prison

ControversyMandy: explosive rant blaming feminism and weak men for societal decline

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Mandy (Iran/Vancouver stripper with 3 properties) and Holly (62, Jackass Forever).

Maddie Alimony

Pays $170K total alimony to first husband from 1-year marriage.

Sex Work Discussion

Mandy: 'this shit sucks.' Advocates against sex work.

Male Loneliness Epidemic

Emily raises topic. Panel discusses causes.

Josie Kidnapping Story

Kidnapped on date at 20. Stole attacker's truck. Drove 100mph.

Marcelina Gun to Head

Ex put loaded gun to her head. Doused car in acid. Killed a girl. Now in prison.

Racism Definitions

Lucy argues only those with institutional power can be racist.

Transcript

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Emily (Coach DT250)don't necessarily quote unquote need a man in order to be independent or to have a life or to have a family so now I think a lot of men are confused about what is my role and with very loud

Emily (Coach DT250)thirdwave feminism where it's like men suck everybody to just um all the men like you know there's not worth it any anybody out there all that it's sending a lot of mixed messages about okay so I

Emily (Coach DT250)can't say the word silvery silverly silvery yeah this case like that um it's a for that like you know what women actually want because it feels like the

Emily (Coach DT250)men can't win in any direction right now. Um, but we're also like shifting out of more quoteunquote patriarchy views and now women get to choose from a place of desire and men also get to uplevel some of their own emotional

Emily (Coach DT250)skills that may not have been provided in the past. So that's the synopsis of it. What are your guys? I don't think so. I don't. Do you want to talk first? Go ahead. Doesn't matter. Okay. I think that we

Mandy (Iran)took him we took like their natural needs and rules that is like in nature away from them. So now they're just like lost and then the way now we are like

Mandy (Iran)woman empowerment and all that by doing that we think we're in power but we're not really in power. Like I mean you have a normalish job but like we are not

Mandy (Iran)empowered but we think we are. So now instead of like being with one we like listen to like 1,000 and we think we're like empowered but we're not. and we just took their nature away from them

Mandy (Iran)and now we're using them and now they're just lonely and they're like they can't do what they're meant to do in nature. That is like in their like literal like natural instincts. They're not able to do it.

Mandy (Iran)Why? Why aren't they able to do it? Because they're meant to provide and protect and take care of you. So then why not do that? Because we don't even let them. Like as soon as one of them comes near us, we're like this and that. And then also like

Mandy (Iran)there is like a need in human relationships and with men and women there is like there used to be a need of like men doing that and now women think they're all doing it by their own. I was going to say I agree with you but

MarcelinaI feel like a lot of it is just like emotional intelligence. Like I still want a man that can provide and like I believe we all have like our um different responsibilities. Like we're yin and yang but um I just like my past

Marcelinarelationships are just guys I've tried to date. they just like I don't what's the word? um they just have like really rash opinions or very like one-sided like they stick to some stuff or I've noticed even with like my guy friendss

Marcelinawhen they talk about like trying to date women like me as just their friend I'll tell them like hey like you're a little rude or you acted this way or this way like they're not going to listen to me but um I've noticed like they'll listen to their guy friendss and then do better

Mandy (Iran)but often times that's like not what because we kind of became against each other so it's been very hard for men and women to agree with each other And we're at a point that we're in a war at every

Marcelinapoint. It's like, no, I'm right. But I think there is like underlying reasons why the society is the way it is. I I did date somebody like that, too. It was always like I don't know. Oh, like you have the um

Marcelinaability to like do this, but like I can't. So, he'd like kind of made it this way by like I think feminism had like a big part of that why it's the way it is. Well, yeah, but I think that's

Brian AtlasHold on just a sec. Davon Jackson weighing in with the uh message. Y'all just heard a lady say that 2,000 a week for existing was cheap and now are acting confused as to why men are alone.

Brian AtlasSelling butt is an empowerment. And yes, we demonize uh drug dealers, too. Thank you, Davon Jackson, coming in there with the Yeah, but we don't demonize drug dealers

Josie Marcelinoas we do porn stars. It's We demonize addicts. Wait, it was a whole thing you missed. But we demonize when it comes to drugs, we demonize the addicts way more than we demonize the drug dealers. We send the drug dealers to jail. But you

Josie Marcelinodon't look at them like like you see a drug addict and you're like, "Well, why the [ __ ] did he make that choice?" And I I have a food addiction. I again, I lost 70 lbs. The whole thing is nobody's going to blame the food manufacturer for that.

Josie MarcelinoThat's me. That's my choice. They demonize the buyers, not the sellers. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, no, no. Demonize the person that's that's, you know, like if you're going to do it for everybody, if you're just going to do it for porn, you got to do it for everybody.

Josie MarcelinoWait, I don't think drug dealers have some sterling reputation. They don't. But drug addicts are demonized way more than drug dealers. Cigarette, if you own a liquor company or a cigarette company, I'll stick with

Josie Marcelinothe legal ones, or even a marijuana company in places that it's legal. People are not going to look at you like you're the scrown of the earth. But if you're an alcoholic, then you're a deadbeat loser and you have all these problems. Like, but

Brian Atlasthe the alcohol company one I'll I'll give to you. I don't think there's really demonization towards like alcohol companies for selling alcohol. There's like Budweiser Gone Trouble a couple

Brian Atlasmonths ago for giving a sponsorship to Dylan Mulaney. That's another separate though. But cigarette companies are absolutely massively demonized.

Brian AtlasThe ones that Philip Morris, um Marlboro, they're absolutely the cigarette companies are demonized and they're legislated against. Yeah, they're legislated against after a

Josie Marcelinolot of fighting, but they still are allowed to sell and nobody says like, "Well, you shouldn't be allowed to buy cigarettes. You shouldn't like nobody's flaming the CEO of Marboral and being like, you you shouldn't exist and you're

Josie Marcelinoa terrible person." Nobody's protesting that guy. And vaping and Zins and everything else is so prevalent now, nobody really bats an eye at that. I I do think there is still quite a bit

Brian Atlasof uh stigma associated with uh being involved in the tobacco industry. Like I do think it's the case if you're if maybe in a romantic context. I think

Josie Marcelinosome people might have some hesitations dating like somebody like a VP or an executive for a tobacco company. I don't I imagine they make a ton of money. I don't think they have a lot of

Josie MarcelinoI think some people would have qualms maybe being friends with or dating somebody who's a VP or executive at the tobacco, but there are no dating shows or podcasts online that dedicate 6 hours of

Josie Marcelinocontent as to why you shouldn't date the VP for Marble or American Spirits. And there are for Only Fans. Well, that's a total straw man. We don't spend six. In fact, I didn't even say it was you. Oh, okay. In general,

Brian Atlaswhich other podcast then? I don't watch them. I don't know. you're talking about this podcast. Yeah, we honestly I while it is a topic of conversation coming up here when it comes to women's involvement in Only

Brian AtlasFans and sex work, I actually find the conversation kind of dull and boring and uninteresting and my my audience can even back this up. I frequently don't want to engage in the porn bad conversation cuz it's

Josie Marcelinoboring. Fair enough. But other podcasts do. You have Fresh and Fit and then whatever Andrew Tates does and then That's not their focus though. But but I see them on TikTok all the time. I see them on YouTube. Like they

Josie Marcelinoare. It's a clippable thing to get into an only fan girl's face and be like, "No one will ever love you." Which is [ __ ] But that's like a thing. Yeah, that's a straw man though. People I don't think people are saying that people We have people in the chats that are

Brian Atlassending money just to say like men don't like 304. Now you're shifting the goalpost. First it was people on that host podcast. Now it's just like anonymous commentators. Of course people on the internet. You've

Brian Atlasbeen on the internet. I'm sure you know that people say mean things on the internet. So, we're shifting the goalpost here a little bit. When it comes to these podcasts, I mean, I haven't really heard rhetoric like that.

Brian AtlasI I think it is the case that people say it makes it way more difficult to date. It makes it way more difficult to find a fulfilling relationship, which is fine when you're involved in that. Yeah. But my point was that earlier when

Josie Marcelinoit came up, we were talking about the fact that it is the only porn or porn, sorry, anything that's like adult content is the only addictive substance

Josie Marcelinothat we really heavily demonize the creator of it and not the user in our society. Again, we don't demonize the alcohol maker. This is totally This is just totally

Brian Atlasuntrue. Women refuse frequently to date men who are like addicted to uh adult content. Like it's a strong stated preference and there's a social stigma

Brian Atlastowards men who watch adult content and I'm actually kind of in favor of that. I don't think men should be watching this kind of content. I think it's detrimental and damaging to relationships. The man should not be watching adult content. Uh even outside

Brian Atlasof a relationship, I don't think he should be watching it. But there's absolutely social stigma towards the user. I have literally never encountered that. You've never heard a girl say, "I don't want to date a guy who watches porn." No.

Brian AtlasWe're just going to say whatever. To be fair, that is a standard in my relationships. It's that, which is fine, but I've never This is my first time encountering it. You've never heard a girl say, "I have a

Josie Marcelinostrong preference for a guy who doesn't watch this kind of stuff." I mean I I suppose my grandma probably I if he's addicted to it then I would have a problem with that if it's like consuming his everyday

Brian AtlasNo but he life but if he just watches it he probably has let's say he watches it two times a week just while he's you know that's fine but it is reducing the frequency in which you guys are having sex.

Brian AtlasIt hasn't in the past. How would you know? Uh I can't imagine it being more frequent. Okay. I mean, you could be dealing with like a guy who has like very very very high sex drive where he can like

Brian Atlasmasturbate multiple times a week and then [ __ ] you multiple times a day. But I feel like most guys are not going to be able to like masturbate and have the same level of sexual frequency. No, you first of all, everybody should masturbate. You should have time by

Maddie (Porn)yourself. What do you mean? Nah, masturbation is healthy. It's like you should have the risk of prostate cancer in mind and even you just get your needs fulfilled by your partner which is okay. But like masturbation does have health benefit

Maddie (Porn)if you're Yeah. If you're single, sure, I guess. But maybe what if your wife isn't [ __ ] you every day? You divorce her and you find somebody every day. Every day. Oh, every day. Sorry. You're supposed to I thought you said if she just wasn't period.

Maddie (Porn)No. Like as a man I've read, then I could be wrong on numbers, but you should ejaculate like 28 times a month for optimal health. send me the study on this. Uh, I'mma just I'mma feel this to the ladies

Josie Marcelinobecause I can't speak for men on this one. There is a when it comes to se, it shouldn't be this way, but when it comes to sex and when you're with your partner, even if you've been with them forever, there is still a little bit of a performative element to it where you

Josie Marcelinowant to look good and you want to make sure that you're taking care of when you're masturbating. You just have to worry about yourself and it doesn't matter what face you make or anything like just that's you should have alone time. No, you got to save that [ __ ] for your partner.

Brian AtlasAnd it's a lot. Save the ugly faces and the weird positions and No. What kind of weird [ __ ] are you doing? I'm just saying don't worry about what your face is doing when you're doing that. Do you when when you're doing that, are you watching adult content while you're doing it?

Josie MarcelinoDepends. That's damaging to your relationship. I I would disagree with that. Okay. Sure. I mean, again, he's dead, so I don't think it can get much more damaging. Not the most

Josie MarcelinoThat's why it happened, actually. Yes. I wish it was a porn related accident. That would be funny. Uh, incident. We have some chats coming through here. We have Pasty George. The reason Actually, I'm going to have you read them.

Maddie (Porn)I'm the verbalizer still. Yes, you are the I'm the show verbalizer. Yes. Okay. The reason why men The reason why women are showing higher numbers in both academia and the workplace is because men are no

Maddie (Porn)longer pushing themselves. When there's no women, children, or family, what's the point? That's that's fair. Push yourself to get a woman and child and family. He follows it up with

Maddie (Porn)hearing women condoning and reinforcing their own delusions and degeneracy among themselves in real time is hilarious. Lmfao, I'm so glad you're enjoying the show.

Brian AtlasHe's loving the show. It's hilarious that you spent $100 for us to talk to you. Uh oh. Don't get on his bad side cuz he'll basically he'll spend more money so that I see what he's saying. Yeah, this guy's a this guy's a big uh a

Brian Atlashigh roller. He's uh he owns a couple casinos up in Canada actually. Can you give a high roller for me? Hey Pasty George, I love high rollers. She's in Canada. Pasty, where you in Vancouver? He's Would you date a First

Josie MarcelinoNations gigachad? Um is he primal? Primal? What does that mean? Are you primal, Pacy George? Is he primal? Is he extremely masculine? He's sending hundreds of dollars to talk to women he doesn't know.

Maddie (Porn)What is it? Read it. The chances of 304s, OF girls, CAM girls, etc. getting a mid man to marry is high. But them getting a high tier

Brian Atlasman and marrying him is low and is even lower if they try to keep him. Lol. He he le he uh Yeah. So he's in Canada, too. You're in Canada, but you're in

Brian AtlasVancouver. He's in He's in Saskatchewan and he but he owns like three casinos. Yeah. So if you if you want like I'll get you guys linked up. Depends of how he is. Yeah. Also, let me check on Andrew Tate if he

Brian Atlasmessaged back. If he's an Andrew um supporter um wait, what were we talking about? Oh, we were going to react to some uh videos or something and then we were talking about H. Yeah, we'll move it on to the

Brian Atlasvideos. Get the first one pulled up, please. Just real quick, what's up with the Patrice O'Neal picture? Uh, rest in peace. Yeah, great. One of my favorite comedians. You're actually rules. He's the best. Did you actually

Brian AtlasI did. I did mess. You're going to [ __ ] cry. Do we have it? All right. So, uh, we have a bunch of videos from you. So, we're going to go back to back on. These are so old. Yep. Oh. Uh, I like the braces. Yeah. Mega is bigger.

Brian AtlasThey're really old. There we go. Okay. Go ahead. Play. Okay. So, you know, these are people on your TikTok being like, "Hey, that's your dad. This is on your TikTok. He's your biggest supporter.

Brian AtlasOkay, we need to tab over to the next immediately." Okay. Love a immediately. Uh get it full screen. Okay. So, we'll we'll go back center and then we'll get them going. All right. Whenever you're ready.

Brian AtlasAll right. Go ahead. Oh, uh pause. Put it on video. I stand by the very beginning. Audio on

Brian Atlasaudio. Yes, I have. He watches all my videos, right? Everyone. Your only. He loves my Tik Toks. Every single Tik Tok. Oh, yours. Okay. Next.

Brian AtlasOh, my mind was blown for a second. My heart fell into my stomach. I'm not that weird. Okay. All right. Okay, we got next one coming up. No audio or uh show it to me first, then we'll It's

Brian Atlasprobably no audio. Yeah, no audio. Oh, this is my mommy. All right, this So, they're support Your parents are supportive of you doing the OF. Yes.

Brian AtlasThis is still super old though. Okay. Mom is supportive. She's proud. Yeah. Okay. Um, hide it before it ends. Okay.

Josie MarcelinoJust put it back center. Uh, next one. And then who here? Like you do OF2 though, right? Technically, but not in the way that most people do. I post cosplay photos and bikini photos on there, but no no

Mandy (Iran)adult content. Okay. Uh, what do your parents think of you doing? I only I only have a mom, so um, your dad passed away. I don't No, I uh my dad is not like he I don't know where he is.

Brian AtlasAll right. Thorne Holio, thanks for the gifted 10 memberships. Appreciate it. Uh, next one. Do you want audio? No audio.

Brian AtlasOr wait. Is there Yeah, play it, I guess. Your dad must be so proud. He's your top supporter. Okay, next.

Lucy (Data)Uh, and then you do OF. What do your parents think about it? Uh, so my dad passed away when I was 18. U, but before that, he was always very supportive of any artistic ambition I

Lucy (Data)had. and my mother and I, we haven't spoken since I was 18. Um, when my dad passed, it strained our relationship too much. Okay. What about your parents?

MarcelinaMe? Um, I actually cut my own father off at 17 and I'm emancipated, but I'm like still close to my mom. Sometimes I'll provide for her and like support her. Um, she's like okay. I don't know. She she I don't know. It's hit or miss

Marcelinasometimes. Like she'll give me [ __ ] and then sometimes she's like, "I'm proud of you. Like you're doing well." She just doesn't really want to hear about it. Yes, I'm Polish. I learned it first. Yeah. What's that? My family's from there. I spoke at first. So, like when I was younger, it was kind of a struggle. Like, were you born in Poland?

Brian AtlasNo, I was born in New York. Is that your mom? That's actually my mom. She's really smart. Hey, we should have had her on the show. Jenny Lynn, we should have had you on the show. Mother daughter. That's my mom.

Brian AtlasUh, chair 2 is well spoken and seems smart. What's her name now? She's trying to plug my uh next. That's cute. Play it.

Maddie (Porn)And okay, I did this a lot. People really hated it. Next. Uh, so parents cool with it or not cool

Brian Atlaswith it? My mom knows she's cool with it? She's cool. Your Iranian mother is cool with you being a stripper. Yeah. Tell me about that. Has she ever been to the strip club? Yeah.

Josie MarcelinoYikes. I mean, she's a feminist, too. Really? Yeah. Like she was saying earlier, Iranians are like pretty liberal, like the people, like Persians. Oh, yeah. They Yeah. They they're not

Mandy (Iran)very as like there's there's countries that are like Muslim and the people agree with it. And there's Iran that is Muslim, but people don't agree with it. So, it's basically like a thing that happened in the past 40 50 years. So, a lot of these people's like grandparents

Brian Atlasare not actually the revolution. Yeah. So, it's like we're not really a Muslim country. We're forced to be Muslim country. Well, what's crazy is if you actually Google photos of what Iran looks like, was it the ' 70s?

Mandy (Iran)Yeah, it was just like America. It looks like America. We say that we were one of the best countries and they did that to us to make us the worst country and it's kind of happening to you guys now. So, good luck on that. Becoming what?

Mandy (Iran)If they're all Muslim country, good luck on that. Oh, I mean, are we? Yep. Canada is for sure. Oh, that's that's one of the reasons. Now,

Brian Atlaswe have mostly Latin American immigration, so I don't know if we're should be wor Well, who knows? Um, do you have the next one? Oh, there's more. Oh, this is a different one, but yeah, sure. We'll just play this.

Brian AtlasI'm excited to see this. All right. Reasons to date you. You'll be a stay-at-home husband. All right.

Maddie (Porn)Yeah, you're next. Nay for me if that helps. Is it off Tik Tok yet? Yeah, it's off Tik Tok. Well, it should be video still, right?

Maddie (Porn)Oh, you're pulling pictures of me, too. Yeah. Yeah, the video. Go ahead.

Brian AtlasNo audio. So, you want Is your boyfriend or No, you have a husband. Yeah, we're married. Is he stay at home husband? Yeah, he takes all my content.

Brian AtlasOkay, play. Okay. What the hell? Is your dad still your biggest supporter? Oh no. Yikes. Next. And then you did it again. So, okay. Your dad passed away.

Brian AtlasHe did. He died in December. Is it the same? Mhm. Oh [ __ ] A little maybe a little insensitive with the urn though. Is that actually his ashes? Yes. Wait.

Maddie (Porn)I don't get why it's insensitive though. Her dad. She can decide. How did he die? Suicide illness. Well, okay. Play the next one and then X

Maddie (Porn)out of the ones we already showed. Okay, play it. If it helps. He's not in that. He's not in. You made a smaller earn. No, we have an empty smaller earn that

Maddie (Porn)was going to go to his family. Don't you think it's a little uh insensitive? A little insensitive to who though? Cuz it was my dad. The corpse, I guess. But it was my dad. Laughter's the best medicine. Okay, for

Brian Atlasexample, let's say it wasn't ashes and it was just the body, but you're you're the son, right? Or the daughter, can you desecrate a corpse just because it's

Brian AtlasHow am I desecrating a a I'm not saying you're desecrating it, but it's, you know, it's a little Well, I also think you have to know my

Maddie (Porn)dad. You go to a graveyard and be like doing a shooting because you don't know my dad. My dad loved doing these videos. He loved it.

Brian AtlasHe thought it was hilarious. That'd be amazing if he did. But no, he loved it. Like he loved doing it. When When you're in a cemetery, you have to observe a certain level of what's the word? Not Somebody help me with the

Maddie (Porn)word. It's evading me. Smoke. Well, the thing is he's not in a cemetery though. Decorum. Thank you, Holly. Yeah, I wouldn't dance in front of other people's dead parents, but why can't I

Brian Atlasdance in front of my own dead parents? Okay. If I was at the cemetery going to my grandmother's grave, I wouldn't do it near people. I saw and I saw some chick even if she's like [ __ ] a hundred

Brian Atlasgraves down doing shooting some content I'd be like I would probably walk over there and be like [ __ ] you. You should leave.

Maddie (Porn)But it is a free country so I could do that. Uh you could I mean the but also we're arguing a hypothetical cuz he is not in a grave and there's no other people around. No, I know. But like I'm trying to get

Brian Atlasat this idea of like when it comes to remains, I do feel like there is a line, you know? Yeah. But like like I get it's it's your dad's remains and you're in possession of his remains. But I feel like there's a line, you

Maddie (Porn)know, it is. And he loved being in Tik Toks. He loved me posting them. He watched like he did watch all my Tik Toks. He thought it was funny. He thought saying

Brian Atlasfunny stuff was funny. He enjoyed it. He died out of nowhere. He enjoyed it. I don't see anything wrong with that. Yo, DPG Thing. Hold on. For some reason

Brian Atlashere, I have to do it manually. Is the audio all the way up? Yo, Brian, what's up, brother? It's Jungle F. You'll see me as DPG Thing from now on as I'm a streamer. Shout out to the

Brian Atlasladies on the panel. Be nice, Brian. He's a good man. A true scholar. W show. Uh, this is a champagne pop, so we'll pop champagne. Yo, dude. Jungle. Good to see you back in the chat, man. You're a legend. Thank

Brian Atlasyou so much, dude. And uh let's see. Oh, okay. So, now he's changed. Hey, let me give you a little shout out, guys. Are you on Twitch? What's your username on

Brian AtlasTwitch? I tuned into your stream a while ago. If it's DPG thing Oh, did you get Did you take the thing off? Wait, why is it like this? I don't know.

Brian AtlasWait, wait, wait. Okay, please don't point it. Hold on. Okay. You got to be really careful with this one. This is already open. This is here. Here. Don't open it. I'm kidding. Like a bomb needs to come in here,

Brian Atlasbro. Those things will take a [ __ ] eye out. Yeah. Okay. Just toss that one. All right. So, I'm just don't want any Okay. Well,

Brian Atlasuh, good conversation there. So, um, what about, uh, okay, the ashes, I guess. I don't know. What does the panel think? Anybody want to weigh in?

Josie MarcelinoLaughter's the best medicine. That's fine. And it's not like like at least with what I believe is that that's not her like that's that's the earth part of her dad, but soul's gone. So it's not like and she wasn't doing anything to desecrate it.

Josie MarcelinoShe didn't like piss on him, right? She was just dancing with an urn. That's cute. uh in furtherance of promoting her pornographic content. Even even if it wasn't pornographic,

Josie Marcelinolike if somebody was just doing that just for like their TikTok or whatever, I'd say it'd be weird if her dad was like really not into it when he was alive. No, my dad loved it.

Maddie (Porn)I feel like it's kind of just crazy to say that it's wrong when you don't know my dad. I think your dad would be okay with And also, he's dead, so who really cares? Well, here's the thing. You're you're saying, "Well, you don't know my dad."

Brian AtlasMhm. But I there's just certain things that I don't know. Well, he would 100% want me to do that. Did he tell you that?

Maddie (Porn)Yeah. Well, when he was dying in the hospital bed next to me, he told me, "Why aren't you making Tik Toks?" So, yeah, I think that's a pre-written permission. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I sat with him why he died

Maddie (Porn)and he asked me, "Why aren't you making Tik Toks and working right now? Yo, chat, what do you guys think? Chat, what do you think? So, I just I don't think like I can totally understand your point and why it looks that way and I understand why

Lucy (Data)people hate it. Mhm. But my dad really did love it and I like doing it with my dad, too. I think tragedy and comedy are two sides of the same coin and I think Yeah, laughter please.

Lucy (Data)Go ahead. Oh, yes. And laughter is the best medicine. And so I think um yeah, doing something like that in good taste for your own tragedy is I think it is tasteful and it's individual to you. Yeah. I mean I'm the one who had to go through it. So

Emily (Coach DT250)yeah. And every family has different values. Like I know my grandpa, he would like to grave if I did it, but like I think it's fun that you guys have that type of relationship. And yeah, we have a very like unserious family.

Josie MarcelinoOh my god, dude. Hold the bottle and then apply pressure and counter. Like I'm literally doing it. But you're going back and forth. Just go in one direction. Do you need me? Just kidding. You need

Josie Marcelinomuscle. Yeah, it's true. Break it.

Brian AtlasI [ __ ] hate these bottles, bro.

Brian AtlasOh. Oh, here. There we go. Okay. Y Oh my goodness. [ __ ] hell. All right.

Brian AtlasWhere were we? We were talking about the N and Tik Tok. Tik Toks and earns. Uh here I got some messages. In Canada, because of the birth rate crisis and worker shortage, the government brought

Brian Atlasin thousands of foreigners from the Middle East. Now they almost run almost everything, even Door Dash. That's from pasty George. Yep. There's a lot of immigration in Canada. Davvon Jackson. If my daughter, who has every hole of hers on the internet, was prancing my

Brian Atlasashes in front of her gooner audience for views, if my soul was still intact, it would shred to pieces. Well, you weren't my dad, so congratulations.

Brian AtlasEven if even if like my dad gave me permission to do it, I still wouldn't do it. My dad enjoyed it. I don't know. There's something it just

Maddie (Porn)it doesn't rub me the right way. I think it's totally fine. Okay, cool. I mean, I don't I don't It's not your dead dad. So, at the end of the day, uh, everybody here is over 21, right?

Brian AtlasYes. Everybody wants champagne? I don't drink. I don't. No. No. Yes. I'll take I'll take one. Yes. Yes. Holly, do you want some? Okay. So, six cups total. Oh, wait. I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to use these. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to do a segment really quick where I'm going to open this up to debate from

Brian Atlasthe audience. I'm going to put in membersonly mode. I'm going to read. Uh so Mary, you're going to go on live segment and we're going to pull them up. Okay. In stream yard. Okay.

Brian AtlasYeah. Are we just debating my father? Is that what the debate is? The the chat. We're doing a segment where the chat actually gets to make the arguments. Okay, cool. So, we're going to pull up some of them. So, if you're a member,

Brian Atlasyou get to actually debate this. Uh, sorry guys, I'm like multitasking a million things. Pass it down, please. Thank you.

Brian AtlasCan I have some more water, too? Thank you so much. Oh, yeah. Thank you. You got That's a no for the No for Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. members. So, if we need to see like a couple sentences, you can make

Brian Atlasyour argument or well, maybe one or two or three sentences. My dad was 57 for the person who asked that. We can't. By the way, you got to pull it up, too. Oh, I'm good. Take take it, Nick.

Brian AtlasSorry. Thank you. Um, wait. One's for Oh, you said you wanted one. Did she not say she won? She acted like this.

Brian AtlasI thought I thought you wanted Oh, Nick, you want some? Here. All right. Good. Nick is getting some.

Brian AtlasThere you go. Uh, okay. Let's do a quick cheers. Cheers to jungle or as he is now going, he's going by. What was it? Was

Brian AtlasDPG DPG. Wait, hold on. I don't want DPG thing. All right. Uh, cheers to Ashes. I don't know. All right.

Brian AtlasCheers to my dead dad. Okay. So, I'll just have to pull it up then. All right. You guys get to make the arguments. We have the one who knocks. He says, "I

Brian Atlasdon't care how old your dad was. You're a horrible person, but it sounds like your father was Oh, okay. That was that was a little rough." I get these comments every single day of my life. This is somebody's father, guys. That was me.

Brian AtlasUh oh. This is your mom. This is my mom, Jenny Lenny. I think these mfers that are saying he okay that are judging her without knowing her are disgust

Maddie (Porn)disgusting and small-minded a-holes. Okay. Damn. Okay. There's some brutal Maybe this is I get really really really horrible

Maddie (Porn)comments, so they don't really affect me, but I do get quite a lot. What?

Emily (Coach DT250)What? Uh, in my personal opinion, I don't think you can preach or hold any disdain toward her values. If you're going to say something like that in the comment section, right? Like, if you have values and honor, don't say that. It's a little distasteful, but if he

Brian Atlaswould have been okay with it, then I don't see a problem. And I can agree with you that it is distasteful. And I don't Josh Brook says you're supposed to let the dead rest in peace, you don't. Okay. Well, he didn't want to die and he didn't want to rest in peace. He wanted

Brian Atlasto make Tik Toks. Why do you think it's respectful to show camel toe while holding your dad's earn? Because I have a big vagina. What? I can't wear yoga pants.

Brian AtlasAll right. Uh, okay. He is shooting his shot. Thanks for the super chat there. Uh, let's see. By the way, if you We're gonna obviously there's a lot of chats coming through. We're going to miss some

Brian Atlasof them. So, just copy and paste if we are missing it, I guess. Uh, does she think we'd live in a better society if every man held the same standards for their daughter? Okay. No.

Brian AtlasUh, there's a lot of super chats coming through. We might have to hold those until after. Oh my god, it's kind of dark humor. Some people seem to like it.

Brian AtlasDon says, "Death is no longer sacred in the modern world. Uh, grief is personal, but dancing on TikTok with your dad's ash ashes feels more like a grab for attention than a

Maddie (Porn)tribute. So, I think it's both. So, my job is to get attention online. So, I am aware of that concept and that is why I posted it. Okay.

Maddie (Porn)But at the same time, my father also loved to do it. So, I don't feel it's that bad. There's a line between honoring someone and exploiting their memory. Some

Brian Atlasmoments deserve privacy and respect. not a public stage or viral trend. Wasn't a viral trend. It got like a 100,000 views. As Chris Rock said, "A father is one job

Brian Atlasis to keep his daughter off the pole." Uh, Delta Echo, this is the biggest cook I've ever seen. Typical California family. You're not I'm from Georgia. She's from She's from the South.

Brian AtlasShe's from South. Uh, look at her smile. Unre unremorful. She doesn't think she did anything wrong. Uh, your father was being supportive because he loved you. It doesn't mean what you're doing is morally right.

Maddie (Porn)Respect. Okay. Josh Brooks says this. It was actually a severely traumatic event, but if you've ever been through

Maddie (Porn)trauma, you know that you can deal with that differently than just crying. I feel if I was just crying on the internet about my dad dying forever, that I would get hated on that as well.

Brian AtlasOkay. All right. Let's see if there's any final call if anybody wants to make an argument. Uh, your mom is not enjoying some of the comments. Uh, let's see here.

Brian AtlasSending you love, Jenny. She didn't watch it. She's watching. Yeah, maybe you should turn this off. Turn it off. All right. Interesting experiment. All right. There's a bunch of chats that

Brian Atlascame through that we need to get caught up on. Uh, going back as far as like seven like 10 minutes ago. Um, I'm going to read the super chats. Amidst your feminist gender studies

Brian Atlaspaddle, you're missing the elephant in the room. There are four OAF workers on the panel. 10% of women between the age of 18 to 25 are on OF. Gen Z gals aren't exactly the bring her home to mom

Marcelinacaliber. That's from Lucas. Anybody feel like responding to that from What's the percentage of men that are subscribers to OAF, though? Cuz like what if women don't want to date men that are

Emily (Coach DT250)and where does the 10% statistic that from too and honestly there's a lot of amazing women out there with great values of integrity and all and their own

Josie Marcelinopersonhood and I think that you have to check where you're looking even if we believe his statistic and it is 10% of women in that age group are on o and that's not your jam and that's not

Marcelinawhat you want to date totally fine by you. There's 90% of other women in that age group. You would date one of them. There's horrible women that like I guess like people would like look at be like, "Oh, you're amazing cuz you make this much and you have a real job and like a

Marcelinadegree or two or whatever, but like you're going to idealize that, but you don't know how they really are behind the scenes." Yeah. And again, ultimately, we have free will as human beings. So, you can choose who you want to date. If you don't like somebody, move on. Go get somebody else. Plenty of fish in the

Brian Atlassea. Okay. All right. We have another chat from Lucas here. Furthermore, and your anecdotal outlier claims notwithstanding, it would be embarrassing for a highlevel professional man to introduce you within

Brian Atlaspolite society, which ironically enough, chair one, is exactly where the men you desire navigate. Exactly. That's what my point is. Oh [ __ ] I agree with that.

Brian AtlasBig giga chat here. Hold on. There it is. Thank you again for the champagne pop, man. Really, really appreciate it. Yes, sir. DPG thing on everything chair 8. Be nice. Say hello.

Brian AtlasThat's you. Oh, hi. What's up, guys? Uh, Brian is right. I'm a legend. Love the show, bro. Keep on keeping on. Hey, thank you so much for the massive super

Brian Atlaschat, guys. W's in the chat for uh DP DPG Thing, the artist formerly known as Jungle F. Uh W's in the chat for DPG.

Brian AtlasThank you so much, man. Looking flying those aviators. Thank you, dude. Big big $500 soup chat. [ __ ] legend. Wait, I gotta play this, too. Hold on. Oh, it's not going to play. Wait.

Brian AtlasDamn. The [ __ ] our our OBS is all [ __ ] I don't know what happened. Um, anyways, uh, thank you so much, man. We have Jenny here.

Brian AtlasUh, oh, we already read that one. Okay. All right. Uh, we got some members who joined. Thank you guys for joining up. Appreciate it. Hit the join button if you want to become a member. and then

Brian Atlasthe rest I'll just let you uh pull up. All right. Okay. Let's get back into the show notes. We Where were we? I don't even know. We were talking about We pulled up videos.

Brian AtlasOh, all her videos. Okay. Did you X out of all those videos? Okay. We have a video from her. Let's pull that one up. It should be the first one.

Josie MarcelinoI don't know what it was. It the one we saw earlier. Do you have it?

Brian Atlaswant audio. Uh, no audio. Just play it. Play it. POV. Your parents fully supported your

Brian Atlasgoth phase under the condition that you let them take pictures to laugh at when you're an adult.

Josie Marcelino[Music] Damn, that's my favorite photo. I can feel the X out of that. And then we had fedora at the ocean.

Josie MarcelinoWe had two tweets. Two tweets. Let's go. My Twitter's nuts. Oh goodness. It could say anything. Oh, okay. Family. Yeah, this one. Uh, 20% of married dudes

Brian Atlascheat. Where do you get Where do you get that stat from? Since we're talking about stats, I don't remember where I looked it up, but I know I looked it up before I posted this. Uh, 20% of men leave their wives when

Josie Marcelinoshe becomes chronically, you know, that that study was retracted. I know just from friends and family who work in hospital settings and who work in chronic care, that is something where they have to like sit the woman down

Josie Marcelinowhen she's diagnosed and actually prepare them on what to do when their husband leaves them because it happens so often. Yeah. except the studies on that that's anecdotal. Uh all the studies that

Brian Atlasthey've done on that, well the one in particular that's often cited that I believe you're citing there, it was retracted because they made multiple errors in how they coded the study. All right. Well, then I'll have to look more into that. But speaking anecdotally

Brian Atlasfrom the people that I know that work in that type of care, it's incredibly common. So you're saying in these institutions, these healthcare institutions, there's a policy where they sit down the the wife and if she

Brian Atlashas a spouse or whatever, they tell her, "By the way, there's a risk your husband's going to leave you." So there's a gendered policy on this. There is. Yeah. There's a support staff member that will come in and we'll talk to them about women though. There's support staff that comes in for

Josie Marcelinoboth, but one of the talking points specifically for the women is to usher them through that point of change. think that that's sexist, but we don't see it happen with men. We don't we don't see that happen like we do. I've never

Josie MarcelinoIt's never happened in the history of humanity. A woman divorced her. Of course, it has husband who has cancer. But I'm saying the frequency is not there. What evidence do you have for the claim? Just again, I'm only going off of the

Josie Marcelinostudy that apparently was retracted. I haven't seen that. And then anecdotal evidence. I mean, it's I know women who have gotten chronically ill and then their partner has left them. I don't know of any man that has

Josie Marcelinogotten chronically ill and then has been left. They usually get married in my experience. Yeah. I mean, this this is something that happens both ways, of course, in some regard, but I think

Brian Atlasit's skewed one way over the other. Well, it seems like women overwhelmingly end relationships. So, this idea that men are these evil, devilish dogs who I didn't say that. That seems to be the implication.

Josie MarcelinoNo, I was responding to something in that tweet. Uhhuh. And I I can't I'm not going to quote exactly what it was, but I remember somebody saying like women are the ones that break up families or something or women are always the ones

Josie Marcelinothat like destroy families. And so that's why I quoted the fact that 94% of family annihilators are men, which is true. And then the other stats in there, I love men. I genuinely do. And I'm not saying that they're evil, but I'm saying

Brian Atlasthey're not innocent either. Do we have the study? I think it's pulled up in one of the tabs. Do you have it? Make it bigger please. Uh widely

Brian Atlasreported study suggesting divorce is more likely when wives fall ill gets axed and this is from retraction watch uh is invalid thanks to short string of

Brian Atlasmistaking mistaken coding that negates the original conclusions published in the March issue of the journal of health and social behavior. Uh so anyways I mean so then what was the updated conclusion? I'm not sure. Oh,

Josie Marcelinobut so we don't have the updated stat. Could be 19%. Yeah, it could be it could be 10. It could be five, but regardless, I suppose. Um, and then pull the tweet back up though. Oh, hold on. We have a

Brian AtlasTTS coming through. Let Or not a TTS cuz it's broken. I just have to read it. Thanks to feminism, women are more masculine than ever. Broadly speaking, emotions that aren't anger are usually considered feminine. To the panel, what

Brian Atlasdoes modern masculinity mean to you? Yeah, we can just move on to that. Uh, go ahead. Starting tier one. Wait, what was the question again? Um, probably. What does modern masculinity mean to you?

Mandy (Iran)What does it mean to me? I don't know. Someone that is very in tune with their natural instincts and thinks that's how men are supposed to live like and be. And I'm not saying

Mandy (Iran)like men in the past 50 years like men their actual nature before this whole surface level stuff like what we're

Mandy (Iran)actually here for before like the the jobs and like the actual purpose of men that would be someone that is like actually masculine for me

Maddie (Porn)or just going through each. Yeah. So what do you think? Uh, I think many things can be masculine. I think it doesn't have to just be your

Maddie (Porn)like, you know, like the biology of like men need to provide and men need to hunt or whatever it was or like I think a masculine men could stay home with kids personally, but I think it's kind of

Josie Marcelinojust I don't think it's that cut and dry. I think masculine like I think modern masculinity is the same as archetypal masculinity where it's like the

Josie Marcelinostrength is seen as more masculine but then also I think when you look at things more analytically instead of on the emotional side I think that's considered masculine I think it still is

Josie Marcelinoprotection which again is like strength yeah I don't think the definitions changed I think maybe people in our society exhibit them in different

Emily (Coach DT250)agrees, but I don't think it's changed. I would say that I watched a brilliant movie the other night on about Desmond Doss. Has anybody heard of him before?

Emily (Coach DT250)Okay. Um, basically he saved like 75 people during one of the during the World War II, I believe. And I think he's a great example of masculinity in general, having high integrity, high

Emily (Coach DT250)emotional intelligence, courage, um unapologetic about himself and his values, and is sworn to a higher purpose than himself.

Lucy (Data)Yeah, I really resonate with um what uh both the previous lady said because I think masculinity in its definition hasn't really changed over time. And I also think of course there's the

Lucy (Data)differentiation between toxic masculinity versus healthy. And so the rigid definition being that men need to be providers or to be physically strong or stoic. Um I don't think that is

Lucy (Data)beneficial and that doesn't behoove relationships. So, I think a healthier version of masculinity could be a man who has the desire to take care of his loved ones, but is still in touch with

Lucy (Data)his emotions and is able to be mature and emotionally intelligent and um in tune with his soft side because I think all human beings we have a mix of masculine and feminine polarities. And

Lucy (Data)so, a healthy man to me is someone who is not 100% strictly masculine but is comfortable with um adopting qualities and facets of sort of both archetypes. So, what do you think draws the line

Lucy (Data)between healthy masculinity and toxic masculinity? Yeah, I think it's it's not for me to decide because I think that can be arbitrary, but when I see toxic

Lucy (Data)masculine discourse or diet tribe on the internet, often times it's either attacking certain types of people or attacking certain behaviors or overall

Lucy (Data)being more inflammatory or just having a very strict agenda in mind because I think flexibility and fluidity is very important in relationships and in human dynamics. So for me the big

Lucy (Data)differentiator is just um how rigid are you in your thinking and how strictly are you trying to enforce your beliefs on other people. Um because if you I I believe that the healthier mindset that you have typically the more accepting

Marcelinayou are just to hear other people out and to look at different mindsets that are different from your own. Um oh I was going to say I completely agree with you. I feel like also social media

Marcelinahas like skewed our idea of masculinity. Like for me, I want a man that's going to make me feel safe and support me, but not like financially per se. Just somebody that like I can come home to. And also, I think like biologically like

Marcelinawe're all equal, but we're also not like men I believe are more logical at like like what do you call like first and then we're more like nurturing. There's like so many other ones, but like at the end of the day, like we're still on the same level. There's just like when we

Marcelinathink about things, there's like certain aspects of a situation that they're going to focus on differently than we will. even like if we do have the same like beliefs. Um, so I just want somebody that will like make me feel

Marcelinasafe and like supports me and just open-minded like yeah like isn't going to like attack women for being women and like I just believe we all have like what's the word trying to think of like

Marcelinaour duties in a relationship are just as like men and women and we should be able to like oh god I can't even think of the word right now. Damn. Oh my god, I cannot think right

Holly (62)now. Paulie, what about you? I think Trump brings masculinity back. Trump is on fire. You go to his rallies,

Holly (62)those men are men. There's more men enlisting in the army of the military, everything down the line. Um, the guy's

Holly (62)brilliant. He's put a fire on. I've gone to the Charlie Kirk rallies where those guys are just damic. The group of people that he's about. I

Holly (62)mean, it's like I wanted to be I can't handle wussy California skipping liberal boys. I want a man's man. I want a

Holly (62)protector and a provider. And Trump has done that across the He's done that across the world. If you saw what he's done through the uh Middle East and the whole bit, everybody's cheerleading him.

Holly (62)And don't worry about Canada because it's going to be the 51st state soon. We're going to save their asses. Please do. We are. I'm serious. No more fairy boys,

Holly (62)you know. And hallelujah to President Trump. We pray for you daily, President Trump. You are magnificent,

Holly (62)President Trump. And we thank you for saving our country and saving our men. Because you look at Trump, look at how

Holly (62)many brilliant women he has working for him on his team. Those women are so dynamic. He doesn't go against women. Blonde one and blonde two with fake tits

Holly (62)one and fake tits two. So many dynamic women here. Well, that's what's fake here. Why can't people do I think I'm the only one with fake tits here, baby. Well, what's so what's wrong with that?

Josie MarcelinoI'm saying he doesn't have dynamic women. He has one type that he's fake tits. That's not true. Well, yeah. Sarah Huckabe Sanders, who looks like me, was ugly as [ __ ] but that's not He didn't have any other

Holly (62)ones. I think those all of his women are capable women. I I think capable women. Capable of what? Reading from a teleprompter. Leading the country.

Josie MarcelinoLeading in what? What woman is leading her right now? Christine Gnome, you think that she's okay? She's arguing with a wall. I don't care if she's beautiful. She's not dynamic or leading.

Mandy (Iran)I thought you were like supportive of Only Fans girls and all his nudity. That's a perfect example of someone that is like literally kind of like whoever like me. No. Yeah. His his wife like he's like

Josie MarcelinoI his wife is fine. I love that I've seen my first lady's bush. That rocks. Oh, I love his wife. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with only fans girls or anything of the sort. I'm saying let's not champion Trump like he's got a dynamic range of women working in the White House.

Josie MarcelinoHe does. Okay. All of those women are exceptional. Sure. And he's given him leadership roles. Yes, I've I agree with that. He's also given like a 19-year-old a leadership role.

Josie MarcelinoA 19year-old who's the 22year-old who the ex uh someone who's leading I forget the cabinet name. Doge. It's not Doge. No, the guy who you're Are you talking about the the defense guy who was a

Maddie (Porn)grocery store clerk? What's that balls guy name? He worked at a supermarket and now he's like head of he's leading I forget the name of the department so I don't want to butcher it but like come on now. What

Holly (62)you're saying that FDT but we'll make an example if you know if

Josie MarcelinoTrump is supporting masculine men and yet he's cutting funding to to the VA to Medicare to Medicaid. Yeah, he has. It's in the big beautiful bill, baby. It just passed. Go to congress.gov. You can see

Josie Marcelinoit. He's cut us a US a cut a lot of things. He cut USA. And he also cut That was money laundering. Okay.

Josie MarcelinoHe also did cut NBA. I bet you believe in Gate, too. I do believe in pizza. Well, then we're moving on cuz I can't argue with a brick. I'm not a brick. It's truth. And if you can't handle the truth. Yes.

Josie MarcelinoOkay. I think she can handle the truth. She's selling it fine. What's the number one commodity worldwide? What do you mean? What's the number one commodity worldwide? Go ahead and tell me.

Josie MarcelinoNo, I'm asking you. And I'm asking you. Go ahead and tell me. What's the number one commodity worldwide? Trafficking. Okay. And I'm sure that they were selling children underneath the pizza parlor. Huh?

Josie MarcelinoTrump went to Epstein Island like 19 times. He didn't. He never went. All right. Again, I'm arguing with a brick and I'm not going to do that. I feel like I'm talking with my old neighbor. It never happened. Well, what do you feel about Elon Musk saying that it did happen?

Maddie (Porn)Yeah, his boy because his his bestie did go on Twitter and say there's photos. What do you mean? There's photos of Donald Trump hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein never would have made president if it did.

EleanorWell, can I just say that um Elon and Trump definitely had a very public breakup. They did have a public breakup. It did rule. It did. Who Who here would date uh a Trump supporter?

Brian AtlasShow hands. We think so. No, no, no, no. You wouldn't date a Trump. Your boyfriend, he's a Camala voter or He did vote for Camala. Yes. Your or husband? Your husband voted for

Brian AtlasCamala? My active duty manly man husband. Yes. Okay. All right. Got some uh Who voted for Camala? Did you vote? No. You vote. You're a Trump supporter. You

Brian Atlasjust wouldn't date a Trump supporter. I didn't vote. Period. Into the mic. I didn't vote. Period. Okay. Who? Uh, so you're Are you a Trump supporter or No, I'm not a Trump supporter.

SPEAKER_02Who did you vote for? I didn't vote this time. This time? All right. Trump, who did you vote for? Kamala. I was out of state, so I couldn't vote. I was out of the country. I couldn't vote.

Brian AtlasCamala. I'm a Canadian. It doesn't matter either way. Uh, we have a message here. Py George, chair three. Real evidence and statistics are key, not anecdotal hearsay. Imagine if courts allowed such

Josie Marcelinononsense. Yes, your honor. It happened because I said so without factual evidence. Lol. They took my phone. How am I supposed to look it up? Literally, I They took my cell phone and I didn't

Josie Marcelinoknow I was going to have Miss Maga on the panel. I didn't prepare for that part. I thought we were just talking about dating. What are some of the other reacts that we have? He's like trying to move on. Huh? The sweet from

Brian AtlasSure. Oh yeah. God, it could say anything. Hide the super chat. Uh, put us on the other side, please. Uh, men like women who are inconvenient and make them Here, you read it in your own voice, please. Men like women who are inconvenient and

Josie Marcelinomake them work for their attention. The sexiest thing that you can be is busy. Put this in the corner, I guess. Um, actually, whatever. Uh, why do you think that? Men don't like it's it's always kind of

Josie Marcelinolike a game of chase. Men tend to be a little bit more avoidant than women, but people always want what they can't have. They like having something to work for. So, I know guys who have said that they

Josie Marcelinodon't think that women have hobbies, which is not true. But I know a lot of women who kind of just shrink themselves in their hobbies and center a man in their life. And that's that's needy. That's chasing. Nobody likes Can we back up really quick?

Brian AtlasMen like women who are inconvenient and make them work for their attention. The sexiest thing you can be is busy. Do you want somebody who's just I'm here. I'm here. When are you going to date me? Take me on a date.

Brian AtlasYou're you're painting an ex extreme case here. Uh so pull it back up one more time. Just want to make sure I have Okay. Inconvenient and being busy. So I

Brian Atlasdisagree with both those claims. I don't think men want a woman who makes things inconvenient. And that is your position, right? Yeah. It's in it's an inconvenience to attempt to hang out

Brian Atlaswith you and you being busy, so you're it's difficult to make plans. Uh no, that's nobody likes anything that's way too easy and way too available. Maybe you guys as women, but

Josie MarcelinoNo, I'm talking from men. Every I'm I'm in two male-dominated industries. Most of my friends are guys. Most of the people that I talk to are guys. Most of your friends comedians. A lot of them are comedians and a lot of them are also just working in television. That's okay.

Josie MarcelinoAlso primarily mostly friends with liberal men or No, most comics are not liberal. Um, so I got a mix, but yeah, both of them or both liberal and conservative friends of

Brian Atlasmine. It's they're all they get they get the ick, so to speak, if a woman is way too available. Well, let me ask you this. if if it was going in one direction or the other. So perhaps there's let's say there's a

Brian Atlashappy medium, but if it had to lean air more on one side or the other, you think men would prefer a woman who's too available or a woman who's not available enough?

Josie MarcelinoNot available enough just men and women. I think people just in nature you want what you can't have. You like working for something for women. I think it's the case for both. No, I So I think this idea and this is really

Brian Atlassomething that that I think women do quite frequently. This idea that you want to play hard to get. If you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want. So yeah,

Josie Marcelinothat's how my mom got her ring. That's how I got mine. That's that's my mom's biggest advice to me when it went into dating. She was like, just play hard to get. She played hard to get with my dad

Brian Atlasand he proposed in like 4 months. I think you want to be hard to get. I'm not saying that it's an impossibility, but this idea that this is like a good advice to give somebody when it comes to dating.

Brian AtlasThe first time I ever played hard to get was when I got a ring. So, is that your boyfriend in the past? Yeah. So, you guys were engaged? Yeah. Okay. But are you saying had you not

Josie Marcelinoplayed hard to get like he just would have not been into you? I think that's really what drove it ultimately cuz he was very like avoidant initially and he was seeing a bunch of very beautiful

Josie Marcelinowomen and we connected more as friends first and then it just kind of built like that but then I I made myself less and less available and then he started chasing. So just to be clear the foundation of your relationship was based on you playing a game.

Josie MarcelinoNo, I mean it quite literally you were con game. How was it not a game? It was me saying, "Okay, I'm not gonna throw all of my eggs in this basket. I'm not going to make myself too available. I'm going to play a little hard to get and I'm going

Josie Marcelinoto just play hard to get." So, you're playing It's a figure of speech. I'm going to make I'm going to make myself less readily available. I'm not going to drop everything when he comes and Yeah. Let's say you were free.

Brian AtlasYeah. Say it was a Monday. Hey, are you free on Thursday or Friday? And you are free, but you tell him you're not. I wouldn't do that. So, okay. What in what ways would you not make yourself available? I'm very rarely free. I'm saying I

Josie Marcelinowouldn't make myself available in that. Okay, I have something scheduled with a friend that I'm going to dinner with a friend and he's like, "Do you want to hang out that night?" I'm not going to cancel on that friend, but I'll tell you when I am available.

Brian AtlasWell, that seems perfectly normal. I wouldn't categorize that as being hard to get. That's just respecting That's respecting your pre-existing commitments to hang out with somebody else.

Josie MarcelinoYeah. But anxiously attached people, which is tends to be the attachment style more for women than anybody, will go ahead and cancel those plans. I was anxiously attached beforehand, will make themselves too. That's making

Josie Marcelinoyourself too available is prioritizing that person and waiting around for them and just trying to fixate them is the center of your world. Yeah. Yeah, but I I wouldn't even categorize

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